How to Speak Better Than 99% of People (5 Frameworks)

Summary

BigDeal Podcast with Codie Sanchez

Episode Title: How to Speak Better Than 99% of People (5 Frameworks)
Date: August 3, 2026
Host: Codie Sanchez

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Codie Sanchez shares five powerful communication frameworks used by world-class speakers, including Steve Jobs, Martin Luther King Jr., and Malcolm Gladwell. Drawing from her experience as a CEO, entrepreneur, and journalist, Codie provides actionable examples, memorable quotes, and tactical advice to help listeners radically improve their communication skills—whether in business, public speaking, or daily life. The frameworks revolve around mapping your message, skillful repetition, specificity, leveraging silence, and the art of storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points and Frameworks

1. The "Simple Map" Framework

(Starts at 00:26)

• Concept: Good communicators give audiences a clear structure ("map") at the outset, reducing anxiety and making their message easier to follow.
• Example: Steve Jobs at Stanford’s commencement:
  • Quote: “Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That’s it. No big deal. Just three stories.” — Steve Jobs [01:24]
  • Codie’s analysis: Jobs "labels" each story, so the audience knows where they are. Without this, “your audience is basically having a headache trying to figure you out.” [01:31]
• How to use:
  • Finish the sentence: “In the next few minutes, I'm going to show you X number of Y.”
  • Example: “Today I’m going to show you how to find a business, know if it’s actually profitable, and how to avoid buying yourself a full time job.” — Codie Sanchez [01:42]

2. Repetition with Purpose

(Starts at 03:53)

• Concept: Great communicators repeat key phrases to anchor their message—not out of lack of ideas, but to build emphasis and deeper meaning.
• Example: Martin Luther King Jr.’s "I Have a Dream" speech:
  • Quote: “I have a dream that one day, even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.” — MLK, Jr. [03:39]
• Codie’s advice:
  • “It doesn’t feel repetitive, does it? ... It feels like this additional weight, this weightiness to it.” [03:53]
  • Pick a phrase and “move it through different levels—start with the idea, then make it visual, then raise the stakes, then make it personal.” [04:24]
• Tactical application:
  • Instead of simply repeating, evolve the phrase:
    • “Own your income, then own your time, then own your business, then own your future.” [04:35]

3. Specificity as Credibility

(Starts at 05:27)

• Concept: Specific details signal competence and credibility; vagueness loses trust.
• Example:
  • Vague: “This business makes a lot of money.”
  • Specific: “This laundromat does $3 million in revenue from 164 machines and 10 vans." [05:28]
• Why it works:
  • Specificity offers “physical proof” and is harder for liars to fake (“if somebody’s lying to you, they won’t always match up”). [06:07]
• Tactical advice:
  • Before each claim, add: a number, timeframe, cost, person, place, before/after.
  • Example: “A newsletter with 100,000 engaged subscribers can be more valuable than a million rented followers.” [06:24]

4. Silence as a Tool

(Starts at 07:47)

• Concept: Silence on stage (or in conversation) creates tension and marks importance; amateurs fear silence, pros use it.
• Example: Steve Jobs’ product launch:
  • Quote: “We’re introducing three revolutionary products of this class.” — Steve Jobs [07:47]
  • Jobs follows with dramatic pauses to build suspense:
    • “The first one is a widescreen iPod with touch controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. And the third is a breakthrough Internet communications device.” [08:03]
    • “An iPod, a phone. Are you getting it?” [09:02]
• Codie’s advice:
  • “When you have a big line, do not rush into it. Set it up. Pause. Say it cleanly. Pause.” [09:34]
• How to apply:
  • Use silence to force attention and let key points land.
    • Example: With her team, Codie asserts, “Show me where they say that,” and then remains silent, compelling a response. [10:29]

5. Story Is Argument

(Starts at 11:34)

• Concept: People absorb lessons better through stories—they lower resistance, carry the idea, and make lessons “stick.”
• Example: Malcolm Gladwell’s TED Talk on spaghetti sauce:
  • Quote: “I decided instead I would talk about someone who I think has done as much to make Americans happy as perhaps anyone over the last 20 years. A man ... Howard Moskowitz, who is most famous for reinventing spaghetti sauce.” — Malcolm Gladwell [11:34]
  • Gladwell paints a vivid picture of Howard ("big, huge glasses ... loves the opera ... in his 60s") [12:12]
• Codie’s advice:
  • “If you want to make a point, do not start with the point. Start with a moment when someone discovered the point. Story is argument.” [12:55]
  • Stories create a “discovery moment”—the audience experiences the evidence.
• Applications in business:
  • CEOs use stories to paint big visions (Mazoyoshi Son’s Apple crate “trillions of yen” story [14:05]) and to deal with failure or critics (FedEx founder Fred Smith’s “$5k in Vegas” story [16:00]).
• On Written Communication:
  • Herb Kelleher (Southwest Airlines CEO) would write witty, concise retorts—“Dear Mrs. Crabapple, we will miss you. Love, Herb.” [18:43]
  • Visual storytelling: Codie now tells company stories through visual art in the office, not just words. [19:54]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Codie Sanchez:
  • “If you don’t map it, they'll either make up their own map that's confused or stop listening.” [01:48]
  • “Assume people are zoning out. They’re checking on their phone or the T.” [04:10]
  • “Silence is not empty. Remember, silence is like tension. It’s sexy. It’s confidence.” [07:50]
• Steve Jobs:
  • “Today I want to tell you three stories from my life.” [01:24]
  • “An iPod, a phone. Are you getting it?” [09:02]
• Malcolm Gladwell:
  • “Howard’s about this high and he's round ... and he has a parrot and he loves the opera.” [12:12]
• Herb Kelleher (letter):
  • “Dear Mrs. Crabapple, we will miss you. Love, Herb.” [18:43]
• On business hustle culture (Codie’s myth-busting):
  • “The goal was never a business you run. It’s a business that runs without you.” [21:40]
  • “You don’t have to wake up at 3am every day. You don’t have to give up your life. And you definitely don’t have to do it alone.” [22:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:26 — Codie introduces the idea of communication as the “highest ROI skill” and Framework #1: the Simple Map
• 01:24 — Steve Jobs Stanford speech example and how to map a message
• 03:39 — MLK Jr. repetition and building through “I have a dream”
• 05:27 — Specificity as credibility in business communication
• 07:47 — Using silence like a pro (Steve Jobs iPhone launch)
• 10:29 — Codie’s team meeting example: using “show me” and silence effectively
• 11:34 — Storytelling as the backbone of persuasion (Malcolm Gladwell)
• 14:05 — Mazo Yoshi Son’s “Apple crate” vision for SoftBank
• 16:00 — Fred Smith (FedEx) and courageous communication in crisis
• 18:43 — Herb Kelleher’s legendary customer letter and the power of concise writing
• 21:40 — Debunking hustle culture: “The goal was never a business you run. It’s a business that runs without you.”

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Practical Applications & Final Advice

• Use “mapping” to orient your audience.
• Skillfully repeat your message at different emotional and logical “layers.”
• Add specificity (numbers, stories, sensing details) to build credibility.
• Pause and use silence for emphasis and drama.
• Tell stories to illustrate points—lead, don’t push.
• Communicate big: paint visions, stand by your message, be bold in writing and visuals.

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“If you want people to listen to you, even when you have done something really dumb… sometimes communicating means doing it with people you don’t like, and they don’t like you either.”
— Codie Sanchez [16:43]

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Transcript

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[Cody Sanchez]

Have you ever noticed how some people open their mouths and the whole room goes quiet while another person starts talking and you lose the room completely? Great ideas die every single day because you can't communicate well. And communication actually might be the highest ROI skill of all time. So today I'm going to break down five of the most effective communication frameworks straight from some of the best speakers who have ever lived and that I use every day as a CEO, I think you're going to learn how to employ one of the greatest tools of all time, which is silence. I'm Cody Sanchez. This is the Big Deal podcast. Let's go. Okay, I want to start with what I call the Simple Map. So this framework is when a speaker tells you the structure of their argument before they launch into it. So think about it. Bad speakers, they make the audience work too hard. You bury the lead. You got to figure out, where is this going? How's it going to take great speakers, remove that anxiety. They give you a map. One of the best examples is Steve Jobs at Stanford. Listen to this.

[Steve Jobs]

Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big deal. Just three stories.

[Cody Sanchez]

They say, today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. Just three. So simple. He doesn't say a bunch of words. This is how you make 4000 Stanford students regret graduating. And so then he labels each one in the video. He says, the first story is about connecting dots so the audience kind of, they know where you are. Now we're going to steal this one where he says, my second story is about love and loss. My third story is about death. That's the whole speech. So a great example of do you see how the Simple Map framework works? Because it pulls all the dots together. The problem is if you don't do this, if you don't map it, they'll either make up their own map that's confused or stop listening. So how do you do this? Before you communicate anything, I want you to finish this sentence in the next few minutes, I'm going to show you X Number of Y. For example, today I'm going to show you how to find a business, know if it's actually profitable, and how to avoid buying yourself a full time job. That's a map. If you don't do this, your audience is basically having a headache trying to figure you out. Like Guy Kiyosaki, an early Apple employee, his entire job was to convince developers to build software for the map. And he would use 10 to 20 to 30 rules for pitching slide decks. 10 slides, 20 minutes long. Because he said, if I suck, at least you know how long I'm going to suck. So two of his three rules were about giving his audience their map. So I try to always remember what is the map that I'm talking to. So if the first thing is the map, the second thing is going to be how many times do you repeat? A lot of people think repetition is bad, but actually saying the same thing a few times because you want to enunciate the point is different than because you ran out of ideas. Your uncle who repeats himself nonstop, and the story about his kid's football game back in the day, not great. But Martin Luther King Jr's I have a Dream speech. Listen for how many times he says I have a dream. It's the anchor, and he's visualizing it with you. Listen to this part.

[Commercial Announcer]

I have a dream that one day, even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

[Cody Sanchez]

I have a dream, you know, I have a dream that one day, even in the state of Mississippi, I have a dream that one day, even in the hills of Georgia. So you're visualizing all the places, the most symbolic places in the fights for civil rights, that this dream will live. And then he ups the stakes. I have a dream that my four little children. Now, it's personal, not just national. It doesn't feel repetitive, does it? It feels like this additional weight, this weightiness to it. And I think one of the biggest mistakes you may make when you communicate is if you say something once you think the audience gets it. If you're in a boardroom, assume people are zoning out. They're checking on their phone or the T. If you're talking to your team, assume they've heard six other pitches this week. So the idea matters, but you have to repeat it in a way that's skilled. I like you to pick one phrase you want people to remember and then move that phrase through different levels. Start with the idea, then make it visual. Then raise the stakes, then make it personal. So first own your income, then own your time, then own your business, then own your future. So I'm not saying own five times. I'm showing you through repetition and building a new angle and higher stakes. That's repetition. That builds. Great communication is not always saying more things. In fact, that can be really bad. If you want people to remember what you said, it's making sure the right thing lands next. I want to talk about specificity as credibility. Look at this framework.

[Steve Jobs]

Vague.

[Cody Sanchez]

People say this business makes a lot of money. Specific people say this laundromat does $3 million in revenue from 164 machines and 10 vans. That allows it to process thousands of pounds of laundry a day. Which one do you believe? The second. Right. And that's probably why that laundromat video is doing 3 million. It's because it's specific. Then you point out the vans. Why? Because this is physical proof. It's in your face. It's believable. Then this is the video where you start to see the numbers. Stacking pounds of laundry, numbers of machines, machine costs. It feels like a hype video.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Right?

[Cody Sanchez]

And always, if you want to really mandate your point, get into the objections. Why would someone use a Laundromat if they could use a washer and dryer at home? This is an important moment because you want to say the things that are in their head out loud. I think you also want to make sure that you're saying the things that they might not fully understand, like, what are the SOPs, what does the machines cost? How does the system work? And if I can only say, this is a great opportunity, that I don't have any more specifics, you should probably hide your wallet. So how do you apply this tactically? Before you make any claim, add one of these. A number, a time frame, a cost, a person, a place, a before and an after. So instead of I think you should start a newsletter. Say A newsletter with 100,000 engaged subscribers can be more valuable than a million rented followers instead of buying businesses. Really works. Say this $500,000 laundromat bought with seller financing. Well, it actually replaced this guy's 9 to 5. These details signal competence. They're also hard to remember. So if somebody's lying to you, they won't always match up. Okay, so I want to talk about silence for a second. I think about this as the fourth framework. It's one of the biggest differences between amateurs and pro. Amateurs are rushy. They're, like, afraid of Silence. They fill all the words. So, you know, I guess if you want to be a great speaker, silence is not empty. Remember, silence is like tension. It's sexy. It's confidence. It tells the audience this matters. You know, Steve Jobs, in this video, he's introducing the iPhone. And he goes like this.

[Steve Jobs]

We're introducing three revolutionary products of this class.

[Cody Sanchez]

Again, like, simple sentence, big claim, room to breathe. Now, he says this.

[Steve Jobs]

The first one is a widescreen ipod with touch controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. And the third is a breakthrough Internet communications device.

[Cody Sanchez]

Okay, that starts to build some suspense, right? The words to focus on aren't very complicated. Ipod, iPhone, Internet communicator. But the delivery is everything. He separates the items. He lets the audience register each one. And then at the end, he says this.

[Steve Jobs]

So three things. A widescreen ipod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a breakthrough Internet communications device. An ipod, a phone, and an Internet communicator. An ipod, a phone. Are you getting it?

[Cody Sanchez]

He lets the audience catch up to the reveal before he says it. If he just walked down and said, we made the iPhone, it would still be historic, but it wouldn't be theatrical. It wouldn't be memorable. We wouldn't be watching this. He turns his silence into a reveal. And the tactical advice is this. When you have a big line, do not rush into it. Set it up. Pause. Say it cleanly. Pause. So if I'm making a point about making money, for instance, I might say most people do not get rich through a salary pause. They get rich because their skills were so good. Somebody wanted them to own that. Pause creates contrast. What does that mean? Why? And I want you to pause before you think of these lines. Like, for instance, the other day in my team meeting, I was getting really frustrated with a member of my team, and the team was basically saying something along the lines of, well, you know, the reason why we aren't selling this product is people don't understand the value. Now, the problem is they used bad repetition. He kept telling me, people don't see the value. People don't see the value. And I said, show me where they say that. And then I was quiet. He's like, well, the problem is, you see what they're. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Show me. I didn't say more words than that. He must have said three more times, Well, I want to explain, like, what. I'm like, no, no, no, show me. You have the video recordings. Show me where they say that. Now, why was that so powerful? Because in your Life. People love to yap at you constantly. And if you just instead hold the frame and say you're one liner. In my case, it was show me, don't tell me, which is a mantra at my company that is going to make them discover the lesson. It's painful, but they will remember. And Malcolm Gladwell, who I had on the podcast, if you haven't listened to his episode, it's great. He does this brilliantly in his TED Talk about spaghetti sauce, of all things. Like, here's what he says.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I decided instead I would talk about someone who I think has done as much to make Americans happy as perhaps anyone over the last 20 years. A man who is a great personal hero of mine, someone by the name of Howard Moskowitz, who is most famous for reinventing spaghetti sauce.

[Cody Sanchez]

He basically says he wants to talk about someone who has done as much to make Americans happy as almost anyone. That's a weird opening. Like, I would expect, I don't know, Albert Einstein. Instead, he introduces Howard Moskowitz. Here he's describing Howard physically, his height, his age, his glasses.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Howard's about this high and he's round and he's in his 60s, and he has big, huge glasses and thinning gray hair. And he has a kind of wonderful exuberance and vitality. And he has a parrot and he loves the opera. And he's a great aficionado of medieval history. And by profession, he's a psychophysicist.

[Cody Sanchez]

And that turns him into a character. He says this.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

One of his first clients was Pepsi. And Pepsi came to Howard and they said, you know, we, there's this new thing called aspartame, and we would like to make Diet Pepsi. We'd like you to figure out how much aspartame we should put in each can of Diet Pepsi in order to have the perfect drink.

[Cody Sanchez]

I was actually losing my mind with my team the other day because we didn't know specifically one of the most important numbers in business. And so I couldn't believe anything that they were saying, because they were saying, well, we make this much money per customer. And I was like, what does our customer cost us? This is called your cac, your customer acquisition cost and what it costs you to actually gain a customer. So my team and I built a CAC calculator with HubSpot for startups. The links below, because you got to be able to say, it cost me 300 bucks to get a customer. You know, that customer may be worth 1400, and that means that we make money. That's Specific. This is the difference between somebody in business getting listened to and somebody getting completely ignored. And so with this tool, it takes two minutes because you're going to figure out if your business is growing or days away from losing tons of money. And this thing is super cool. You can plug in your sales, spend marketing, spend your new customers. It hands you your number. It shows you what counts as a cost. It gives you the benchmark I use across all my businesses. A customer should be worth at least three times what it costs to get them. My favorite part, that 3 to 1 ratio. Because a CAC number on its own is like just a number. The ratio tells you whether to scale or to scrap it. So get specific with the number that actually decides everything. By the way, this is free. I made it for you and your team with HubSpot for Startups, who's sponsoring this episode. So go grab yours now. This story has a business problem, right? Pepsi wants to know this about Diet Pepsi. And it sounds small, but it becomes this doorway into a bigger video. In the video, Howard gets the data back, and the data does not create a clean bell curve, right? That's the conflict. The expected answer does not appear. And that's the discovery moment, right? Dhar Mann on the podcast would call this the incendiary moment. The insight that there's no single perfect Pepsi. There's no single perfect spaghetti sauce. There are these different kinds of perfect. And that's way more interesting than saying customer preferences are heterogeneous, which is the kind of sentence that probably should be illegal if you're trying to sell something. Gladwell makes the story carry the idea. And here's why this works. Do you know that a story can lower somebody's resistance to you? Like, if I say, here's the lesson, your brain starts debating with me. If I say, let me tell you about a guy named Howard who got hired by Pepsi, your brain is like, okay, what's going on? And by the time you reveal the lesson, you feel like you got there. This is persuasion, not pushing. This is leading. And here's the tactile advice. If you want to make a point, do not start with the point. Start with a moment when someone discovered the point. Instead of saying, seller, financing is powerful, tell the story. I met a guy who bought a business with very little money down. The seller wanted out. The buyer didn't have cash. He thought he was going to lose everything. And then the seller realized he could play the bank. Now the audience wants to know how that is Story is argument. The point lands Harder because the audience experiences the evidence. This is how you speak, like a CEO. CEOs also television so big, nobody else can see it. In the beginning, I actually like to talk about Mazo Yoshi son. So he was obviously one of the most famous CEOs of all time from Japan. And what's fascinating about him is he had this thing called the fax machine standoff. So in 1981, he's 23 years old, about. He has no money. He has two part timers. They're in a wooden warehouse. The place is a wreck. On his first day of business, he climbs, famously, onto an empty crate and gives his two employees a speech. I'm just like, picturing this. It's kind of unhinged. He says, In 25 years, we'll be counting sales in trillions of yen. Both employees, they quit that week. They think he's insane, actually. And he goes on to build SoftBank, which is, you know, one of the largest investment firms in the world. He's the richest man in Japan. And his moment starts on an Apple crate that is now in the SoftBank Museum. The CEO move is, when you're communicating, do not talk small, go big. And this is if you want to win in communication overall. If they were never, you know, if those two people were going to stick with them for the long time, they never would have quit to begin with. And so be this delusional type of human who gets other people to see a vision so big they are shocked by what you can show them. If you want people to listen to you, even when you have done something really dumb, I like to go to this story, which is actually from Fred Smith, famously the creator of FedEx. And I don't know if you know this, but back in the day, FedEx was basically out of money. FedEx had a $5,000. Had $5,000 left in the bank on Monday. They owned they owed $24,000. And if he didn't get that $24,000, his business would be out of business. This is obviously early on in the begin. And so what does he do? He does the reasonable thing, flies to Vegas and puts 5k in black and plays a couple rounds and wins $27,000, which is actually not a great idea. But I like to use this example because if you want to talk about communicating, even and especially when you may be wrong, he says this line, he goes back to the chairman, and the chairman says, what would you have done if he'd lost? And Smith's answer was, well, it couldn't have been worse than doing nothing. And this one sentence is so good because he didn't apologize. He really used silence. And he didn't have to explain. He just reframed his inaction. So maybe you're not being listened to because you are apologizing too much. And maybe instead of trying to fill the space and instead of trying to make excuses, you should just say the one sentence, let it hang out. I love that. Sometimes communicating means doing it with people you don't like, and they don't like you either. And in fact, the way to get heard the most is by overcoming those people who want you quiet. You know, somebody like that right now who wishes you just wouldn't talk, who's talking over you, who wants to bulldoze you. Right? We've all met those people. And I love, to use an example sometimes, maybe you're not allowed talker. Maybe the way that you communicate isn't even verbally. Maybe you're a person likes to write things down. Do you ever feel like when you're having a conversation, conversation, and then you go back and you're thinking about it later and you're like, oh, if I had a couple seconds, I would have done differently. Like, I wouldn't have done it that way. Right. Okay, that was me. Well, then I like to think about Herb Keller, who was the CEO of Southwest Airlines, and he did this incredible things. In the 1980s when he was CEO, he received this complaint letter from a woman who literally hated everything about his airline. The entire letter is like, your peanuts suck. Your humor's annoying. Your flight attendants are the worst. You know, there's no assigned seats. It's a cattle car. The airline sucks. You're a terrible CEO. I hate. And he wrote a reply to her. And the reply was this. Dear Mrs. Crabapple, we will miss you. Love, Herb. And that he framed it on his office wall for the rest of his career. And I love this why? Because you're allowed to be loud in writing, too. And in fact, sometimes you saying that one sentence written later, hanging it on the wall, allows you to not have to verbally speak much in the future. I was just telling, actually, our designer of our office right now, she's sending me all these art pieces. And I'm like, no. The way that we tell stories is visual, not just verbal. So I want every piece of art from now on in the office to be part of our story. I want it to be logos of all the companies we've helped build. Seven and eight figure businesses. I want another Piece of art to be our very first office, AKA my kitchen in a tiny little house that. Then our next office, AKA my upstairs living room in my second house. I want our third office, a house by itself on the east side. Not a very nice one. Then my next office, 10,000 square feet. Then our next office, 20,000 square feet. I want the art to be stories. And so if you are not the type that feels eloquent verbally, CEOs talk with visions too. They talk with visuals too. And you can do the exact same thing. So the next time an unreasonable client emails, why don't you reply with eight words instead of 800? What would that be like? Like, is there a chance where you can be a little funny? Obviously that woman's name was not Crabapple. Right? Herb was making a point. He was showing him love, but also a little tongue in cheek. So just remember, when you communicate, you control the medium just like you control the message. You are arrogant, you are lazy and you're stupid. If you're sitting there and you cannot afford super cars, you're one of those three.

[Commercial Announcer]

You should work 84 hours a week.

[Cody Sanchez]

No family, no kids, no girlfriend.

[Commercial Announcer]

Every day you wake up, the only thing that should be on your mind is money.

[Cody Sanchez]

That's not what being rich looks like. Jeff Bezos is worth $257 billion because of Amazon. He drinks coffee and reads the newspaper in the morning. Tim Cook earned $74.3 million at Apple last year. He turns his phone off to go to the gym. Berkshire Hathaway is worth 1.3 trillion. Warren Buffett founded it with his best friend. You don't have to wake up at 3am every day. You don't have to give up your life. And you definitely don't have to do it alone. The goal was never a business you run. It's a business that runs without you.

[Steve Jobs]

It's time to take back control of

[Cody Sanchez]

your business and your life. Come do it with me on September 18th. I'll see you there.

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[Cody Sanchez]

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