"Wolfmen Encounters" w/ Brian Bahe

Summary

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Bigfoot Collectors Club: "Wolfmen Encounters" w/ Brian Bahe

Release Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Michael McMillian & Riley Bray
Guest: Brian Bahe (comedian, writer)
Theme: Personal paranormal history, wolfmen/dogman encounters, and the ways folklore, environment, and personal experience intersect with the paranormal.

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Episode Overview

This high-spirited episode opens the "Zombie Bigfoot’s Cryptic Crypt" series, celebrating Halloween with extra spooky, high strangeness stories. Michael and Riley welcome comedian and TV writer Brian Bahe, known for a deep appreciation for the weird, to share both personal encounters and cultural perspectives on the supernatural—with a special focus on encounters with wolfmen ("dogmen"). The show blends whimsical banter, first-hand accounts, cultural reflections, and detailed cryptid lore for a Halloween treat.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Halloween Traditions & Costumes

• Hosts and guest recall their favorite DIY costumes as kids, waxing nostalgic over resourcefulness and commitment to the Halloween spirit.
  • Brian: Loved making costumes from scratch, peaking as Goofy due to a Disneyland acquisition ("Being, like, 'gorge' all night was pretty—pretty easy." – Brian [06:41]).
  • Riley: Once dressed as the Green Giant, painting himself green and making a green bean from felt.
  • Michael: Recalls a two-headed monster costume and losing a contest to a "two-headed grandma," which became a core memory ("And we were angry. We were angry. I've never forgotten it. It's a core memory." – Michael [09:20]).

2. Changing Traditions in Trick-or-Treating

• Hosts lament the decline of kids saying "trick or treat", noting cultural shifts in Halloween customs ("I've been handing out candy for, like, a solid 10 years in a row now in this neighborhood, and no one says trick or treat anymore." – Michael [07:43]).

3. Spooky News Corner: "Ghost Threesome"

• [11:35] – [20:14]
• Wild story about a woman claiming to have a threesome with the ghost of her deceased husband and another woman, discussed with humor and skepticism.
  • Reflects on tabloid culture and blurring lines between grief, fantasy, and the paranormal.
  • Brian, with comic timing: "I want there to be people having sex with ghosts. I don't know if this counts." [19:54]
  • Michael and Riley riff on journalistic writing styles and the human urge to find connection—supernatural or otherwise.

4. Brian Bahe’s Paranormal History

• [22:02] – [34:40]
• Upbringing in Arizona, a UFO hotspot, seeded a fascination with the unexplained:
  • Frequent sightings of mysterious orbs in the desert: "Orbs that moved in ways that like planes don't go" – Brian [22:18]
  • Early exposure to Fire in the Sky and the Phoenix Lights scandalized him as a child.
  • Native American family background contributed a layer of spiritual caution: "Almost all native things are like, to not invoke anything. It's like you do so many things just to avoid invoking anything." [30:45]
  • Blend with Catholic upbringing led to many rules about not calling forth spirits and shunning things like Ouija boards and ghost tours.

5. Folklore Intersections:

• [32:28] – [33:08]
• Bahe notes eerie parallels between Native American, Appalachian, and broader rural folklore, citing TikTok and paternal advice about not responding to unknown voices or noises, emphasizing survival and spiritual safety.

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The Trick or Treat Rapid-Fire Game

• [39:37] – [43:43]

Special Halloween "Bullshit or Believe It"

• Series of paranormal phenomena for Brian to label "trick" (skeptical) or "treat" (believer).
• Brian strongly treats on most—especially ghosts, Bigfoot, UFOs, haunted dolls, shapeshifters, and curses.
• Notable quote: "Just saying them out loud for me is something is like very. . . so not supposed to do that." – Brian [43:19]
• Haunted dolls and phantom hitchhikers provoke the strongest reactions, with Brian suggesting haunted dolls are particularly plausible as spiritual vessels ("It's almost like the perfect object to like, if you were something and you wanted to be, like, make some type of connection with like, this reality." [45:02]).

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Personal & Family Paranormal Encounters

• [34:53] – [38:39]
• Family UFO anecdotes: Uncle witnesses a close-approach orb of light on rural Arizona land, even showing Brian a photo.
  • Reflects on Native American elders' reluctance to discuss cryptids openly, except among siblings.
  • Distinguishes between ghosts (indoor, humanlike) and unknown outdoor entities (possibly UFOs or spirits).

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Main Feature: Wolfmen/Dogman Encounters

Introduction to Wolfman Lore

• [49:01] – [54:20]
• Hosts explain difference between werewolves (lycanthropic shapeshifters) and cryptid "wolfmen" (always in beast form).
• Tribute paid to the late Linda S. Godfrey, the chronicler of Beast of Bray Road and dogman sightings.

Encounter 1: The Wolfman of Chestnut Mountain (Illinois)

• [54:25] – [58:41]
• 2010: Psychologist and fiancé see a 6-7 foot humanoid wolf on hind legs crossing the road in the woods. Creature watched them leaving.
  • Rachel: “Its gaze seemed to look through her. It was like it already knew her.” [56:45]
  • Brian: "Her working in psychology almost works against her in this situation... if she is around so many people that… are talking like about seeing so many weird things, I feel like they’re almost priming her to also… see those things" [58:54]

Encounter 2: The Calgary Creature (Alberta, Canada)

• [59:55] – [65:28]
• Family plagued by strange noises, predator-like sounds, massive canine presence.
• Both daughter and mother see a 6ft humanoid wolf on two legs over a year apart; wildlife fluctuations are noted, orbs seen in the sky.
  • Brian: "You tell me there’s orbs in the sky, I’m firmly there." [64:36]
  • Hosts discuss how these creatures seem more comfortable preying on animals, not people.

Encounter 3: Michigan Dogman Encounters

• [65:27] – [74:13]
• Brad, in SW Michigan, has multiple encounters with wolf-like bipeds—one leaping Tarzan-style into treetops; another observed by creek, emitting growls and a foul stench; trading apples for rocks.
  • “The trading the apple for a rock is really funny. It’s like, yeah, I’m going to take this food and I guess here’s a rock.” – Brian [73:42]
  • Discussion of the “Oz factor”—silence preceding strangeness—accompanies the account.

Common Themes in Wolfman Accounts

• All creatures seem to avoid direct human conflict; they are seen fleetingly, remain mostly hidden, and show more interest in animals than people.
• Notably, all witnesses—including families—share a lingering, awe-stricken fear, but no direct threat is ever realized.
  • Michael: "Much like Bigfoot, much like ghosts, much like UFOs, they're like these fleeting encounters." [75:02]
  • Riley: “Midwest, I don’t know, it gives me the jeebies… All this space and then one Victorian farmhouse, sort of on a knoll, and then space again. That’s too scary.” [76:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brian, asked about ghost sex stories:
  "I support it and I want there to be people having sex with ghosts. I don’t know if this counts. There’s a part of me that just wants a little more...something that really is like this--we for sure--a ghost." [19:54]
• On haunted dolls:
  "It’s almost like the perfect object to like, if you were something and you wanted to be, like, make some type of connection with like, this reality..." – Brian [45:02]
• On liminal spaces and rural existential anxiety:
  "I spent a lot of my childhood driving around Arizona… so much of my childhood is just like me remember being like in a car...like a highway basically." [45:40]
• On encountering cryptids:
  "He seems to not want to be really noticed by these people. He's content with eating coyotes and groundhogs..." – Michael, on the Calgary Wolfman [65:08]
• On Native American and Catholic spiritual rules:
  "Don't invite anyone over. Don't fucking, you know, directly address somebody or something unless you want them to pop up..." – Brian [30:48]

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Concluding Thoughts & Final Segments

• Brian expresses renewed terror of the Midwest post-wolfman stories: "I’m definitely terrified of the Midwest now…” [74:25]
• Light-hearted ending: Michael prompts a metaphorical “candy grab,” Brian chooses a peanut butter-Oreo Reese’s cup as his Halloween treat [77:51].
• Hosts and guest swap Halloween movie recommendations (e.g., The Silence of the Lambs, Strange Harvest, plans to re-watch the Conjuring universe) as autumn rituals.

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• Halloween Memories & Costumes: [04:08] – [09:30]
• Spooky News – Ghost Threesome: [11:35] – [20:14]
• Brian's Personal Paranormal History: [22:02] – [34:40]
• Cultural Superstitions & Folklore: [30:45] – [33:08]
• Trick or Treat Game: [39:37] – [43:43]
• Wolfman/Dogman Stories: [49:01] – [74:13]
• Halloween Movie Recap: [80:16] – [85:08]

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Tone & Style

The episode delivers a blend of irreverent humor, earnest curiosity, and an appreciation for both the silliness and profundity of belief in the unexplained. The hosts and Brian balance self-deprecation, cultural insight, and legit creeped-out vibes, making the discussion accessible and engaging for both skeptics and believers—they’re your paranormal pals, never taking things too seriously but always up for a good story around the fire.

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Useful For...

• Anyone interested in cryptid folklore, especially dogmen and wolfmen
• Fans of culturally diverse perspectives on the paranormal
• Listeners seeking both laughs and genuine eerie anecdotes
• Anyone who enjoys the spirit of Halloween and storytelling among friends

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Follow Up:

• Brian Bahe: Stand-up dates on Instagram (@brian_bahe), cohost of Sage Based Wisdom podcast (available on all platforms and Supercast).
• Bigfoot Collectors Club: More episodes, ad-free & bonus content at bcc.supercast.com.

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Listen if you want high spirits spiked with chills, a deep-dive into cryptid lore, and a reminder that sometimes the weirdest part about the unknown is just how ordinary it feels to those who’ve lived it.

Transcript

[A]

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[A]

The spookiest thing of all all is losing your vision.

[C]

That is harrowing. Truly.

[A]

I have to blow up. How? Licked myself in the eye with my reading glasses.

[C]

Off to a great start.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is already spooky.

[A]

Our guest is already haunting the episode and they haven't even been introduced. Welcome back, everybody, to Terrifying Tales from Zombie Bigfoot's Cryptid crypt. All month long across the BCC Multiverse will be telling you extra spooky stories of high strangeness with some amazing guests. I'm your ghost, Michael McElion, and with me always is the phantom Funk Pharaoh.

[C]

Nice. Am I supposed to have a spooky name?

[A]

I asked them for spooky names and this is what they.

[C]

That is my spooky. But you're. You're Michael McKellion. I think it was Riley Brains.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Last year.

[A]

Yes, you were Riley Brains.

[C]

And I don't have a new one on.

[A]

You're always Riley Brains. It's fine.

[C]

Okay. We don't. Jeez. All right.

[A]

Submitted By Stephen Meyer Jr October already off to a great start, everybody. It's going to be a great month. Here we go. So before we bring back our ghoulish guest, I want to let everyone know that we have some brand new. Even newer than the stuff that we released a couple weeks ago. Zombie Bigfoot's Cryptic Crypt Merch by James Mulholland.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah, ultra exclusive.

[A]

Yeah. And we're going to have cutout. We're, we also going to have stickers and stuff going too.

[C]

So I really like this one as a sticker. I'm excited about, about that.

[A]

It's very good. So link to that in the show. Notes and stories. Okay. Our guest this week is a comedian, a television writer, a texter apparently.

[B]

As you would not believe who I'm texting, our friend.

[A]

Our friend Jana. He's a co host alongside Janice Schmiding of the podcast Sage based wisdom from CBS's ghosts. How about that? Please. Welcome to the Cryptic Crypt, Brian Bahi. Or should I say Brian Boo. How's it going, Brian?

[B]

Thank you for having me. I tried to do ghost voice, but then I bailed immediately.

[A]

Honestly, most of this show is like two seconds of a bit and then a dip out of the commitment. Accents, characters. It's fine.

[B]

That's where I thrive is those two seconds. Seconds. Three seconds. No, absolutely not.

[A]

You know, that's how long most people have their eyes on a UFO or a ghost. So that's perfect.

[B]

Wow. Synchronicity.

[A]

So we're gonna get into some news stories and of course, your personal paranormal history. But before we do that, it is Halloween time, officially. Brian, did you ever have a favorite Halloween costume growing up? Do you have a very extra special Halloween memory? And Riley, I will kick this question over to you as well if you want to.

[B]

I feel like I, I, I grew up, like, having to, I felt like buying a costume, like, prepackaged was kind of just like almost defeated the purpose in a way. I loved having to, like, make something from scratch a little bit. And I think I peaked when I, like, made, when I was goofy. I had the goofy hat. That's what I was basing it. And then I just kind of like, made everything else.

[A]

I picked it. Goofy. What, what did you, how, what was your. Are we talking paper mache? Are we talking felt fabric ears? What are you, what were you doing? Big shoes? Or were you like, were you like, goof troop goofy or were you like, classic goofy?

[B]

I was classic goofy, now that I'm thinking about it didn't require much work, actually.

[A]

Bare pants.

[B]

Yeah. It was like blue jeans, dad's shoes and a red shirt. Yeah. The orange vest was kind of tough. It was. That was tough. Especially being, you know, maybe 8 years old and no one would drive me to anywhere to get an orange vest. Anything orange.

[A]

Walk to a thrift store all by yourself.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I kind of was just, like, searching around with what I had, and I think I just found a orange shirt that I cut into a vest.

[A]

Resourceful.

[B]

And. Yeah. And then I had the Goofy hat because I went to Disneyland. I think that earlier that year.

[A]

Gotcha. So you had the hat that had, like, the bill that is Goofy's?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Snoot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, the nose and the ears.

[B]

Yeah. And then being, like, gorge all night was pretty. Pretty easy.

[A]

Did you commit to the voice every time you said trick or treat?

[B]

I think I did. I think I was way more willing to commit to the bit at that age.

[C]

At 8. Yeah. That's probably most committed age, really.

[B]

That's all I had.

[A]

Kids don't say trick or treat anymore.

[C]

They don't?

[A]

No.

[C]

They just hold out the bag.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They don't come in my neighborhood, so I haven't seen them in years.

[A]

You should come this Halloween. You should come to my neighborhood. We get so many kids come through. It's a blast. Like, we have, like, a block party. But, like, kids just walk up and I have to be like, no, what do you say? And the parents be like, oh, say trick or treat. And then they'll be like, hey, like, they don't even do it.

[B]

That's. That's kind of crazy.

[A]

It is crazy. I might be wrong, but I'm telling you, I've been handing out candy for, like, a solid 10 years in a row now in this neighborhood, and no one says trick or treat anymore.

[C]

You're keeping the tradition alive. You're that. You're that man on the block. Now, now, now.

[A]

Waving my cane.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Riley, did you have a very special. Do you have a favorite Halloween costume growing up?

[C]

I mean, on the subject of homemade costumes, I think the best costume I ever made was a Green giant costume. It was like a big. It was like a green tunic.

[A]

Always a vegetarian.

[C]

Yeah, little. Little other bits of green felt on it, and I made a green bean out of felt that I carried around.

[A]

That's.

[C]

I painted myself green.

[A]

That's very cute. It was.

[C]

Yeah, it was a good one. Yeah.

[A]

I'm trying to think. I loved getting, of course, because I'm like, a little consumer. I. I did have a bunch of the, like, oh, Ben, what's his face? The. The. Like, the. The prepackaged, like, really smelly plastic masks and, like, the. The, like, plasticky costumes of, like, Batman. And I did that with Wick at the Ben Cooper and Gizmo. But Then when I was like I. I hit about third grade, I started doing like the more the homemade thing. And Dave, Keith and I, fifth grade went as a two headed monster that his mom sewed the costume for.

[C]

That's amazing.

[A]

And we didn't keep it a secret. And then two other kids came as a two headed grandma and we.

[C]

And they beat you in the costume contest, right?

[A]

Yep. And they got there first and they were ahead of us in the parade and believe you me, we pissed off.

[B]

Two headed grandma is so funny though.

[A]

It's a better. It was better. It was better. And we were angry. We were angry.

[C]

You've been bested at your own game. Oh man.

[A]

I've never forgotten it. It's a core memory. Okay, Brian, you ready to get into some spooky stuff?

[B]

Yeah, it's. I'm staring out the window. It's dark outside. I can't. I can't. I don't know what's out there.

[A]

Now keep your. I would like you throughout this episode. Just occasionally, every five minutes, just glance up that window and let us know if you see any faces or any strangers emerging from the Cool from the void. Okay? Keep your eye on that window. That's all I'm asking you to do.

[B]

I did see a skunk one time, so that's actually what I'm really afraid of.

[A]

Okay. What? Why did the skunk.

[B]

I don't want to get sprayed.

[A]

Honestly. Fair. My dog got sprayed once and it does not smell like skunk. It smells like burnt, burnt tires. And it never goes away. Like it takes weeks and weeks and weeks to go away. It is not fun.

[B]

Scary.

[A]

Yeah, it is scary. All right, Riley.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Get ready. This might change in post. We'll see. We have a special cryptic crypt edition of B C Boo. That's right. From the New York Post, I believe. Of course. I forgot where I pulled this from. I was too excited when I grabbed the headline. We have some spooky news now. This is Back from May. Back in May. So it's not. But. But just like ghosts, some things never die. Including news stories. Here's a wonderful headline. I had a threesome with a bisexual woman and my dead husband's ghost. He finally got his happy ending. Oh yeah, here we go. Brian. He's her boo. A UK widow brought new meaning to being with someone in spirit after allegedly having a threesome with a woman and the ghost of her dead husband.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

I don't believe in a literal afterlife, but I felt his presence as we had sex. Nikki Wake, 53, told Jam Press. Jam Press. That's the name of the news outlet. While describing her alleged post mortem menagerie. I always. I was always a little hesitant about introducing a third person into what was a deeply loving and fulfilling relationship. But as a one off for a special occasion, I felt like it could be fun and memorable for the both of us, said Wake, describing their mutual fantasy. When her husband was alive. The Manchester resident who identifies as bisexual claimed her husband Andy had dreamt about having a threesome. Something she had secretly fantasized about as well. Now this seems. I'm going to pause here. No judgment on anyone. I feel like this is something they could have worked out before he died.

[C]

Talk to your partner, guys.

[A]

She said.

[B]

Very into it.

[A]

Yeah, she said. I used to joke that I'd treat him to it for his 60th birthday.

[C]

Oh, why wait so long, right?

[A]

However, it wasn't until her hubby's untimely death from COVID in 2020. God. That she was able to make this dream come true by linking up with a woman who had the hots for her late hubby.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

This is wild.

[C]

This started out so fun and lighthearted.

[A]

Whirlwind corner. Again. There's a happy ending here. According to. According to her. Brian, any thoughts as we're getting into this?

[B]

I'm so curious. How. How old are they? Are they. Were he close to 60?

[A]

She's 53. He almost. I'm assuming he almost made it. Whoa.

[B]

I support that. Covid did bring out a lot of sexual tendencies that I feel like a lot of us were kind of lurking beneath the surface.

[A]

That jar never got screwed back on, you know what I mean? Now they're all out there running rampant around the world. So the Brit claimed they nearly had a third party fling. I also love that this article is just like mostly about how close they got to a threesome before he died. And like less about. No, get to the part where the ghost and you two are having sex together.

[C]

Setting the scene. We're building tension.

[A]

Fair enough. Yes. Right. This is a little foreplay.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

The brick claim they nearly had a third party fling while he was alive. On several occasions. On several occasions. Including with an American couple they met on a nude beach. Then they mold having another Randy tripleheader at a New Year's party. But forever.

[C]

That's what that's called. Fancy a Randy triple header then.

[A]

Oi, you fancy a Randy tripleheader? Menagerie is out. Randy tripleheader.

[C]

Randy tripleheader in. Yeah.

[A]

Also Randy tripleheader sounds like the horniest baseball player that's ever.

[B]

For sure.

[C]

He'S minor leagues, but you know he's gonna make it up.

[A]

Yeah, he's on the floor. Yeah, but he's gonna make it. He's gonna make it. Then they mold. Okay, but. But they refrain from pulling the trigger. If we were going to go for it, I assumed we'd either use a specialist dating site or perhaps hire an escort, said Wake. I was always a little hesitant about introducing a third person into what was a deeply loving and fulfilling relationship. Unfortunately, the widow never got the chance. As her other other half contracted Covid, Andy then suffered a series of catastrophic heart attacks. It's like such a hard corner. This started as such a fun story.

[C]

It gets worse. Finish the sentence.

[A]

This is a horror. This is a horror story.

[C]

It's a nightmare.

[A]

Yeah, this is like a modern horror movie where it's like. It starts out as kind of a fun comedy and then it just gets really devastating. Gritty realism that led to a severe brain injury leaving him with no capacity. Are you still with us, Brian?

[B]

Yeah. I'm like she, she should have just hooked up with him while he was kind of like alive, but maybe in a coma.

[A]

I mean, why not slip some Viagra.

[B]

Into that IV drag point?

[A]

They say that when you're in a coma, you're aware of what's going on around you.

[B]

Yeah, get the nurse in there.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Already in a roleplay costume. So her paramore passed away in 2020 at 54. So six years away. This destroyed Wake who feared she'd never be able to replace what they had before Andy became ill. We had a passion and satisfying sex life. I couldn't imagine ever feeling that again. Andy had been the only one for 20 years. It felt less intimidating to connect with a woman. Nonetheless, she re entered the dating pool at the age of 49, listing herself as bisexual on romance sites. As she dated women in the past and wasn't ready to be intimate with another man. Despite feeling nervous and out of practice due to her newly widowed status, Weight got lucky and met an incredibly kind woman on one of the romance sites. Wake felt that Andy supported her new lifestyle. After an initial date, the two went back to Wake's place and carried out their so called phantom rendezvous. She think, I mean is this a ghost randy tripleheader or is this just too. It's just a widow picking up the pieces of her life after her husband, her long term husband died.

[B]

It's that it feels like they. In order for it to have been a Randy, triple header. Like, it needed. They needed to be like, okay, we're holding space for this deceased man. And they, in a way, they did need to air hump. If they didn't air humph and picture him there, then I don't think it counts.

[A]

They had to do some, like, miming of certain activities. Yes. Some space work. Thank you. Also, I'm pretty sure I just heard my neighbors close their window.

[C]

He's at it again.

[A]

Jesus Christ, we gotta move. So when they moved into the bedroom, the unnamed woman noticed Andy's picture and commented on how beautiful it was and how she would have happily slept with you both if you were alive today. During the romp wake, said she felt the widower maker's presence. What? That's what you call a dead husband.

[C]

As a widower maker, this is truly just all around a bizarre article. But yes, that word choice alone, this.

[A]

I feel like the. Whoever wrote this article got fired five minutes before they had to turn this in. There's a lot of anger present.

[B]

I feel like it's also just talking about how horny this couple was. They were going to new beaches. They liked picking up couples. They were swingers.

[A]

It sounds like it's just like a hint that the reporter's like, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She said they felt the widowers widower, widower maker's presence and said that he'd absolutely support her getting back in the sack with a woman. In other words, the other woman allowed him to. To love vicariously through her. Whether or not she really carnally communed with the dead. I could almost hear him say, you deserve joy. Just don't forget me. Recounted wake. I never will. He was my soulmate.

[C]

Well inspired to discuss her polyamory.

[A]

Yeah, now she's polyamorous.

[C]

This isn't so much news as just an incredibly detailed account of this woman's sex life.

[A]

Feels way too personal to have read on this podcast. But she has a new website called. Or she has a website called Widow's Fire that allows widows and widowers to keep that spark alive after losing a spouse. Hey, that's not bad.

[C]

Yeah, that's nice.

[A]

I just want everyone to know I'm not laughing at the tragedy here. I'm laughing that it snuck up on me and was not expecting what was coming next. So, Brian, what's your. What are your thoughts on this Rend. A triple header.

[B]

I think that click, he goes.

[A]

The line goes dead, does not come back. We have to do the rest of the show, though.

[B]

I support it and I want there to be people having sex with ghosts. I don't know if this counts. There's a part of me that just wants a little more. Just like, more something more. Something that really is like this. We. For sure. I. For sure. A ghost. I feel that's kind of what I'm looking for.

[A]

The bed. Levitated. Let's. Yeah, yeah, let's. I want them to, like. Yeah, they seem to. She seemed to have, like, doubled down on the polyamory and not doubled down on the. Like, let's summon some spirits that will join the party, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm glad.

[B]

That being said, I would never willingly.

[A]

Hook up with a ghost. I was gonna say you seemed. You might be inviting this.

[B]

I know. I'm so scared now.

[A]

Look out the window. What do you see?

[B]

My reflection.

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All right, Brian, every week on the show that we have a guest, we ask, what is your personal paranormal history? Have you ever had an experience that you cannot explain? Were you into the unexplained? Were you into UFOs, ghosts, any of that stuff?

[B]

Growing up super into UFOs, I mentioned when you were a guest on Jana and my podcast, I grew up in Arizona. Huge UFO country in a way. And when I started high school, my family moved from the city proper to a little bit outside of Phoenix. And so it was just like the desert. There was no light pollution and during those drives leaving the city to get to our house, I would just like see so many like orbs of light that were moved. That moved in ways that like planes don't go like move. And like it's not on a flight path because you can like see where the play like the flight path is basically to get into the airport in Phoenix. And I was just like, what the fuck is this shit? And it's kind of one of those things you only would see if you are just like 13 and staring out the passenger side window, like looking into the darkness, listening to like, you know, LinkedIn Park, LinkedIn park or something like that.

[C]

I like LinkedIn.

[B]

LinkedIn. Yeah. Wait, hold on.

[A]

It's the corporate version of the COVID band. Only plays office parks.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I was always just like, that is for sure something. And also the reason I think I like was so firm that it like UFOs were real is because I watched a fire in the sky way too young.

[C]

Same.

[B]

And that takes place in Northern Arizona, a place that I would go to, you know, a few times a year. So it just felt even more real. Yeah, that's where my dad's family is from. So we would go visit them. And I was just like, this place is so fucking. I'm so scared of Arizona. But I love it.

[A]

And where were you during the Phoenix lights?

[B]

Tbd?

[C]

You have to time travel back.

[A]

Yeah. You gotta go back in time.

[B]

I don't know. I think I forget what data. I definitely was a child and I was 97.

[A]

I don't want to date you. I mean, I. I don't know how old you are. I was basically an adult when it.

[B]

I for sure was a child. And I remember like the next day, that's like all that was on the news. And I was like, so, so like pissed off that I missed it. I was like, this is the biggest thing we've ever experienced. And I was just like inside the.

[A]

The town is what? Snowflake, Heber. Is that where he was?

[B]

I think it's Snowflake. Heber might be.

[A]

I think it was. I think they were in between those two town. I think Heber's where he turned up. I think he called to say I'm back from. From a gas station in Heber, but he was from Snowflake. I'm pretty sure. Travis Walton, that is. Sorry. I went back to the Travis Walton.

[C]

Thing for a second.

[A]

Well, what were. This is just kind of a sidebar. But how cool was the night sky in Arizona growing up with no Light pollution. Was it pretty rad? Could you see a lot of stars?

[B]

You could see. You see a pretty good amount of stars. It's pretty. Actually breathtaking. Like, when I go back, I'm like, this is crazy. It's kind of nice.

[C]

I like this question from the city. Like, tell us of the stars.

[B]

No.

[A]

What do they look like? What do stars look like?

[B]

It's so, like, peaceful and like. Yeah, summers are hot, but, like, at night, the warm summer night, just, like, looking up at the stars, you're like, I kind of get it.

[C]

Yeah. Warm desert night really is the best.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We put up these orbs. This is like a regular occurrence where you saw this multiple, many times.

[B]

I saw them very often to the point that it was like, almost regular. Like, if I feel like. If I was like on a long. Like on a drive and I just, like, looked, I could almost just, like, see it sometimes. But, like, it was just like orbs that would either like slowly like, get really bright and then stay bright and then just like, slowly dim again, or they would just, like, move and then stop and then stay there and then either it all. It always ended with them just, like, dimming, so you can't see them.

[A]

Weird.

[C]

Did you discuss this with the adults you were.

[B]

No, because my parents are so Catholic, and I think they refuse to believe that, like, anything outside of, like, the creation, like, Catholic creation story. In a way. It was just so funny to me. But I'm like, you guys are insane.

[C]

What if you've been like, there's a UFO right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, oh, mom, no, it's a. It's an angel. Look, angels. See, I mean, you know, would they even acknowledge it if you were like, it's something biblical maybe?

[B]

I think if I did point to something and they did see it, they always used the excuse of like, well, there's. It's probably like an Air Force base, because there's like a few Air Force bases in Arizona. But I'm like, they're not near us. They're on the other side of the city. And I don't know, for some reason, Air Force feels just like. So, like a cop out.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Two big cop outs. Angels in Air Force. That's every. That was your excuse for everything, wasn't it? Did you have. Were you. Were you growing up with, like, ghost stories? So, like, no ghost stories in the house, obviously, but, like, only the Holy Ghost.

[B]

Only. Yeah. Our Lord and Savior. No, not really. I. Because, like, growing up in the city, it's so like loud and stuff. I never really would. Could grasp any type of like, ghost situation out there. And you're a sci fi boy. I'm a sci fi boy. And then once we moved out into the desert like that. No, I think it's just too. Too hot for ghosts. I don't think they like the heat.

[A]

Yeah, they have.

[C]

Operates very quickly dissipate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Desert climate. What about now? Like, where are you with. Where do you stand with aliens right now? And then where do you stand with. With ghosts?

[B]

With ghosts. I mean, I've always been like, ghosts are so real. It's like, for sure, you know, especially like my Native American background. It's like so like, has so much to do with like, spirits and past. Like, past people who have passed away but are like still around and stuff like that. And I'm just like that it's that part also in addition to Catholicism and hearing that as a kid, I'm just like this. There's so much that we don't know or that like, is like, around us that we like, don't fully comprehend sometimes or something.

[A]

Yeah, I was gonna say how growing up, how. What was that intersection of the native folklore and practices and Catholicism? Like, so because you have. You have the strict Catholic side, but then like you said, you also have these like, stories from. From your culture growing up.

[B]

It was kind of like both were accepted and it was just kind of like whatever this situation called for. That's what. What we would.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. So if it's like, you know, if it was like we were in a church or something, then it's like, well, Catholic and then this is Catholic area. Yeah. And then if something, I don't know, it was like, had to do with like our family or something like that, then it's like, well, native. And so, yeah, were there.

[A]

I don't want to call them superstitions, but were there rules on either side that you're like, you do not want to do this because it could invoke something bad, like a bad spirit.

[B]

I feel like the native. I feel like that's more like a native thing, which is like. I feel like almost all native things are like, to not invoke anything. It's like you do so many things just to avoid invoking anything.

[A]

Don't invite anyone over, Brian.

[B]

Don't invite anyone over. Don't fucking, you know, directly address somebody or something unless you want them to pop up like. Yeah, it's like the second, you know, you say something out loud, like whistling. Whistling at night is Huge. Like, apparently I'm not supposed to do that. And it's just like, all, like, so many, like, little things are, like, made to, like, not be, you know, awaken something, I guess, that could potentially affect you.

[A]

There's also carry over to that, you know, growing up Christian, there's like the. You know the expression, like, speak of the devil. You know, that comes from, like, if you speak the devil's name, he will surely. I can't remember the full phrase, but it's like here. Yeah. He shall appear. And, you know, I think for. I think for the, like, Christian side of things, like, definitely, like a Ouija board. Ouija boards are like, I don't. Do not fuck with that shit.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Never. I would never. There's so many, like, small things that, like, somebody was talking about, like, a ghost tour. And I'm like, even going on that feels like I'm, like, opening myself up to, like, getting, like, somebody trying to reach out to me in some way. And I'm like, I don't want to have to deal with that right now. It seems like too much, but. Oh. Something we also touched on was. I feel like I. I was. I went down this, like, rabbit hole of Appalachia TikTok, and like, how it's so fucking, like, creepy. And it's like, you're not. You need to, like, close your shades at night. Otherwise you're inviting, like, people to come in and, like, gather around your home and, like, look in or something like that.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Or, you know, if you hear your name, don't go to. Towards it. If you're a baby crying, don't go towards it. But if you hear something, you can't run. You have to calmly walk away. And it's just like, so much like, superstitious type of stuff. And I'm like, that.

[A]

All.

[B]

All of that sounds so familiar to what I heard from, like, my dad growing up, because he grew up in, like, this very rural part of northern Arizona on the reservation. And it was very like. I think the. The rules and the stakes were a little similar in that way. And I'm like, that's. Yeah, it just like, that clicked with me recently. And I was like, damn, that's so.

[A]

Yeah. Because there's. On one hand, you're like, well, surely this is like, listen, we live near the wilderness. You don't want to get lost, so just stay close to home.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, they're just.

[C]

Run away from a bear because it'll attack you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Slowly.

[A]

But also, that does seem like there's Weird shit out. Especially in the Appalachian Mountain. There's, like, weird shit out there, you know, I definitely think there's spooky stuff in those woods.

[B]

Yeah. And it's so funny. The way he would bring it up sometimes is he was like. He would just kind of quietly say it in a way that he, like, didn't want to draw attention to it, but he did want to, like, pass on that information. And I'm like. In my head, I'm like, oh, he's in. Telling me what not to do is almost getting to the. Is almost, like, inviting because you're bringing up the topic in a way.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Which could be enough to like, yeah, we're invited in. Yeah.

[A]

So tip these. You gotta walk such a tight rope.

[B]

It's so good. That's why I feel like I. It, like, is in my head all the time. Oh, no.

[C]

Nova's just getting very old and very ornery. He just wants for something.

[A]

Hey, listen, don't go towards that sound. I know it sounded like Nova. Don't go.

[B]

Yeah, don't go towards.

[A]

Don't do that. You're falling for it. The. Did your dad ever talk about. Were there ever. Did you ever hear superstitions about Cryptids or things like Bigfoot? Did that ever come. Was that in the vernacular growing up?

[B]

Fuck. I honestly do think he did say something at one point about a Bigfoot situation. God, and I wish I could remember dad.

[A]

Bigfoot situation. It sounds like a Judy Bloom book that was never published.

[B]

It's funny because my dad was, like, very. He would. He wouldn't. Like. He would. He wouldn't. He didn't like to talk about this stuff, I think. Right. But, like, his brothers would, like, openly talk about it or like, they had. They had no reservations about it. Like, his brother, who lives kind of close to where he grew up, so, like, still very rural. They. He was telling me, like, maybe two or three years ago about how he was like, he had. They have, like, livestock around, like, their house. Like, they don't eat. It's like they're not even caged. They just kind of just like, wander. They stay in the area around the house because that's where they. Their primary source of water is, I think. And so that's kind of just like they're always there and then. But my uncle, like, wakes up really early to, like. I think at this time there was maybe, like a. Like a. Not a panther, like a cougar or like one of those desert kapuma or something. Something that was like, I think had killed one of the cows earlier. So he was just, like, waking up early and, like, making sure that, like, you know, the cows, like, were okay. And, like, there wasn't anything. Any, like, animal threats. And he said, like, he was in his truck, like, driving around, doing this. And it was, like, really early in the morning, pretty dark, I think, still. And he said he saw just, like, this light come down, like, really close to the path that he was driving. And it was coming towards him, I guess.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

And then when it got really close, it just kind of went up or disappeared or something like that. And he said, he has a photo. And he showed me the photo. And it does look like a bad photo of a ufo. You know, really, there is a light, but it's just like every. It's kind of, like, blurry, but it's, like, not blurry, but it is just like. It looks exactly like the photo that you see when people are like, I got a picture of a ufo, and it's like, never. It would never hold up in court, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. That was.

[A]

God.

[B]

What do you.

[A]

So what do you. What's your takeaway? What do you think that is? Do you think that that is an interstellar visitor, or do you think it might be something else?

[B]

I mean, I feel like it has to be interstellar. What's the other. What else could it be?

[A]

I don't know. I'm just like. Do you think it's like. Like a ghost? You know what I mean? Or a spirit or, like, elemental or something that's earthbound?

[B]

I don't know. I guess I never really thought that it could be anything else. It could be maybe a ghost, but I don't know. I feel like ghosts wouldn't just. I don't really associate ghosts with, like, being outside and, like, floating.

[A]

Okay, yeah, sure.

[B]

For me, they're more, like, grounded, like, in indoor.

[A]

But, Brian, what if the outdoor Ghosts look like UFOs?

[B]

Oh, that's interesting.

[A]

And indoor ghosts look like people.

[B]

That's really. Okay.

[A]

You know what I mean? They're, like, fit. They're. They're, like, adapting to whatever environment that they're in.

[B]

That's cool. I feel like if that were the case, we would. There would be more documentation of that.

[A]

I mean, did you see that missile shoot, that ufo a couple weeks ago, and it just deflected it like it was nothing?

[B]

I did see that.

[C]

That is crazy.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

That's so crazy.

[A]

That's what would happen if you shot a missile at a ghost. It would just Kind of go right through it, you know, as though it.

[C]

Made, like, little, like, boink sound effect, too. It's, like, almost silly the way it bounces off of it.

[A]

Well, what's going on outside that window right now?

[B]

Nothing. But I did hear a sound.

[A]

Oh, okay, we're getting close. I think you're invoking something. We'll find out when we come back right after this break. And Doug Limu and I always tell.

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[A]

Okay, Brian, don't get too comfortable over there because we have a game that we like to play with all of our guests. Now, usually, and in this instance as well, I'm going to run down a list of phenomena. If you're open to it, because it's Zombie Bigfoot's cryptic crypt, you're gonna say treat. If you're not open to it and you think someone's trying to with you, you're gonna say trick. This is a special edition of Bullshitter. Believe it. That we're calling Trick or treat. That's right, Brian Bahi. On your mark. Get set. Ghosts.

[B]

Eat.

[C]

It's a confusing metric. Yeah, right off the bat, I think.

[B]

Wait. Trick is, I'm into it.

[A]

Trick is, you're trying to trick me. I don't believe in this. Treat is, oh, I like this, and I'm into it.

[B]

Treat.

[A]

Bigfoot.

[B]

Treat.

[A]

UFOs treat. Mothman.

[B]

Trick. Only because I don't know too much about it.

[A]

Witches.

[B]

I'm scared of them. So I'm gonna go Shrek.

[A]

Werewolves.

[B]

Trick.

[A]

Vampires.

[B]

I guess. Trick.

[A]

Lake monsters.

[B]

I'm so unfamiliar with lakes, but I bet if I grew up near one.

[A]

I thought you were gonna say, you're just so unfamiliar with lake monsters, you're just like, I've never seen a lake. I haven't gotten close to one. I don't.

[B]

I literally have never gotten close to a lake. But I believe this might be the.

[A]

Biggest revelation of the entire episode.

[C]

He's in the desert, you know, So I might.

[B]

I might do treat just based on vibes.

[A]

Haunted dolls. Treat. Ouija boards.

[B]

Treat.

[A]

Curses.

[B]

Treat.

[A]

Stigmata.

[B]

I don't know. Honestly, Trick.

[A]

Black cats are bad luck.

[B]

I am so terrified of black cats. But honestly, I feel like I've crossed them at pretty pivotal moments in my life. And I'm like, oh, no, this means bad. But nothing really knock on wood.

[A]

Now.

[B]

That I just scared myself.

[A]

Trick.

[B]

Because I'm scared now.

[A]

Mummies. Mummies, like the ones that come back to life, right?

[B]

Trick.

[C]

Not the existence in Egyptian culture throughout history.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Candied apples.

[B]

Treat.

[A]

Chupacabra.

[B]

I'm also a little bit unfamiliar, but I believe because it's almost my people, it's my people adjacent. So I'm gonna go Treat.

[A]

Chupacabra. Is my people adjacent. Shape shifters. Treat. Banshees.

[B]

I think. Treat.

[A]

Phantom hitchhikers.

[B]

This. Yeah, that's tree. That's hard. Treat.

[A]

I'm so scared we're going to come back to that. Demons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Treat the devil.

[B]

Even just saying like so many of these, just like saying them out loud for me is something is like very.

[C]

So not supposed to do that.

[B]

I mean, I guess I'm going to go trick because in my head, trick means I denounce this, Right?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Finally, the afterlife. Oh.

[B]

That'S hard. Yeah, I guess. Treat.

[A]

You can define it any way that you want.

[B]

Yeah. I'm going to go treat.

[A]

Okay, great. Wow. Well done. The very first trick or treat rapid fire game. You did great. Two that I want to come back to. That got real big reactions. The first for me was haunted dolls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unpack your. Your relationship to haunted dolls for us.

[B]

I mean, thank. Luckily I've never, you know, had any interaction with them, but I do think there is something so, like, that has legs. Like, there is something about like an object that is very, like, in sync with like another. With a child, most likely. And you're just. It's kind of like their energy, like, is so like intertwined with this object that I almost could see how it, like, could be a thing.

[C]

And it's like literally a vessel. Like, it's like just sort of.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Kind of asking for something to jump in there.

[A]

And they're hollow.

[C]

Little house.

[A]

They're hollow inside. That's also kind of creepy, you know, like, what goes in what. What goes in there? You know, stuffing air. I don't know. It's kind of creepy, right?

[B]

It's almost like the perfect object to like, if you were something and you wanted to be, like, make some type of connection with like, this reality. It's like it kind of. You're like, wait, it has like the eyes, it has like the face and the arms and all this stuff.

[C]

Yeah. You're not gonna use, like, A spatula?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, that'd be tricky. You know what I mean? That'd be kind of very cool.

[C]

Spooky spatula. Yeah, that's like a bad. Like a jam band in a college dorm.

[A]

And then of course we had phantom hitchhikers. Got a real big reaction out of you. What's going on there?

[B]

For some reason, I spent a lot of my childhood driving around Arizona. Like just like. Because my family lived all over. So I was just like, I. So much of my childhood is just like me remember being like in a car stare at like on like a street, like a highway basically. And I know there weren't a lot of hitchhikers, but I was always just like, what if there was?

[A]

Right. I mean a very creepy thing would be driving down one of those roads tonight, just seeing a lone individual, like, you know, just walking quietly down the road like a woman in white or something like that.

[B]

Literally. Yeah, because you scary.

[A]

I. Even now, if I were driving down like Route 66 and it's after 11 o' clock at night and I just see one lone person on the side of the road, I am speeding up. There's no way I'm slow. Like there's no, there can't. Unless they are covered in blood and they need help. Like I mean even then that's terrifying obviously. But like I can't imagine a good scenario playing out by picking up a hitchhiker in general. Especially in the dark, in the middle of nowhere.

[B]

In the dark, in the middle of nowhere. And I like, like I said, like my dad grew up like in like you would take like dirt roads to get to where he was. So it's like dark dirt roads. The fastest you can go is like 10, 15 miles an hour or something. It's like windy. There's like trees on, you know, it's like very foresty. It's like. So you're like if somebody was here, if I turned a corner and there was some person there, I would be fucked.

[A]

You spent a lot of time, it sounds like in liminal spaces growing up. Whoa.

[B]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[A]

Yeah, that's. There's a lot of room for spookiness in. In a liminal space. I feel like.

[B]

Yeah. Especially if you watch a lot of TV and movies like I did. You're kind of just like, oh, what were you.

[A]

What were you watching?

[B]

Everything. Yeah.

[A]

X Files.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, you're too young for X Files. Sorry. You're like the office.

[B]

I was like, I think my mom would. I was really into the first season of Buffy.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then for some reason after the season ended, she's like, you're not allowed to watch that.

[A]

Oh, right when it got good.

[B]

I know, man.

[A]

Did you catch up later?

[B]

Kind of.

[A]

Oh, you should. You should catch up.

[C]

Gotta go back.

[B]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[A]

You love it. All right, look out that window for us real quick. What's the status update?

[B]

Oh, my God. Okay, there's somebody there.

[A]

Okay, great. We're gonna find out who that is when we come back. And it also will be time for this week's story of high strangeness. Okay, Brian, it's time for this week's story of high strangeness. Or should I say terrifying tale from zombie. Bigfoot's Cryptid.

[B]

Crypt.

[C]

You went into Pee Wee Herman on Zombie?

[A]

A little bit. Yeah.

[C]

Just a touch.

[A]

Just a touch.

[C]

I liked it.

[A]

Gentlemen, may I ask you this question? Who are or what are your favorite Halloween monsters?

[C]

You know, when we were talking about costumes, the other costume, my. My all time favorite childhood costume, I got a. A realistic werewolf mask. You know, like, you know, movie. Movie.

[A]

Great.

[C]

I mean, not really, but to me it was. And I was Teen Wolf, so I had, like, you know, like a little moto jacket, and I got to rip my jeans up. And that was the coolest, I think, I've ever been to this day.

[A]

Riley the Teen Wolf, Teen Wolf. I love it. What about you, Brian?

[B]

I love. I kind of love Ghostface. Okay. He's kind of everywhere.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

There is something kind of just, like, spooky about it.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because you never know.

[A]

No. And sometimes there's like three or there are two, and so it feels like Ghostface is like, you know, popping out, like, how did he get across the room? Or how did he get here?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love Ghostface. I think Ghostface is, like, iconic, obviously.

[B]

I think he's so iconic. And did that mask exist before the movie?

[A]

It was. No, it was based on the Scream, the painting by Monk. Oh, that's what. Oh, wow.

[B]

That makes so much sense. I didn't know that.

[A]

So that's what that was inspired by. That's why. Because movie's called Scream. And then Ghostface looks like the character from the painting.

[B]

That's really cool.

[A]

But I've been both of those things for Halloween. I was Ghost Face last year and. Or the year before. I can't remember. And then Riley. I also was a werewolf in the third grade because that is my favorite Halloween monster. The werewolf. Maybe because I like dogs. Or maybe it's because the image of A wolf emerging from a tattered shirt and tie and torn pants is very funny. It's quite enjoyable and very iconic. But Halloween time always evokes the image of the full moon and the distant howl of a wolf. Well, long time listeners will know that I used to laugh at the concept of dogman or dog men. You know, huge bipedal dog or wolf like creatures that go toe to toe with Bigfoot. Now, Brian, I already see you giggling a little bit over there. When I say dogman. What do you, what do you. What comes to mind?

[B]

I don't know. I'm. I'm guessing like a hybrid situation, maybe.

[A]

I like this theory. It's a good one. Well, I just thought that's a step too far. You know, Bigfoot, I understand it's a hominid, it's a relic hominid, it's a primate. But how did we end up with a dog primate combo? That just seems too silly. And then about a year into the podcast, I began reading the books of the late, great, great Linda S. Godfrey, who was a former guest on the show and a reporter who originally broke the story of the Beast of Bray Road. Have you ever heard of the Beast of Bray Road, Brian? This is in Wisconsin. It was a wolfman type creature that had been spotted running around the fields and the back roads of dairy country in Wisconsin in the 1990s. And Linda was a local reporter who had no. And cartoonist who had no previous interest in cryptids. But this story started going around, so she was like, why don't I just interview these people about what they're seeing? And she gathered enough detailed eyewitness stories about the creature that she realized there's something here, there's something to this phenomenon. And over the course of the next three decades, she made it a point to collect as many, among others, many dog men and, and wolf men stories and sometimes werewolf stories that she could collect. And she all published most of them in her books. And we got books like Monsters Among Us, American Monsters, and I know what I saw. All great reads, if you're listening and haven't checked those out. So I thought it would be fitting to kick off Zombie Bigfoot's Crypticrypt 2025 by honoring Linda and my favorite Halloween icon by checking out a few stories of the wolfman. Get ready for this, Brian. Now, just because something is a wolfman does not mean it's a werewolf. Werewolves, or lycanthropes, are shape shifters, humans who have the ability to transform either willingly or unwillingly, into a Wolf. Wolf men and women, at least in these stories, are only observed in their wolf like or dog like humanoid form. So we cannot accurately describe them as werewolves because they might always be a wolfman or a woman. See what I'm laying down here? So, like, these aren't stories where they've seen people turn into wolves. These are just. They're all already wolf men. Right. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah, it's like the square rectangle thing.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So first up is the story of the wolfman of Chestnut Mountain. This is from American Monsters by Linda S. Godfrey. Now I'm going to summarize this story and then I might read a couple passages from it. One October evening in 2010, around 10:30, Dr. Rachel Gendru, a behavioral psychologist, and her fiance Chris, were traveling home from Galena, Illinois. They were passing through the Chestnut Mountain area down a dark country road called Blackjack Road, when something crossed the road that made them question reality. In a letter to Linda S. Godfrey, Dr. Gendro described the encounter. When we got to a fairly curvy part in the road. This road is heavily wooden on both sides, and there are not many homes where we were at the time. We noticed a large figure running out of the woods ahead of us. Approaching the figure at 50 miles per hour, Rachel and Chris saw what appeared to be a six to seven foot wolf running on its hind legs. It paused and looked directly at us before leaping at great speeds off the road and back into the woods. The couple looked at one another, the color draining from their faces. Chris asked Rachel if they should turn around and take another look, but she was so scared. She just wanted to get away as fast as possible. Crazily, as they drove off, Chris noticed, noticed the creature step back out into the road in his rear view mirror and watch them as they drove away.

[C]

Oh, no.

[A]

Menacing, he said after we passed. Hey, after we passed, I could see it just staring at us from the rear view mirror. Our hearts were pounding. We drove like hell. We know what we saw. Rachel described the creature as having dark gray fur that was thinner at the chest, with distinctly canine legs, with paws instead of feet. She described that when it turned to look at her, its gaze seemed to look through her. It was like it already knew her. And what's interesting about this witness is.

[C]

Of course, sensual at the end.

[A]

Yeah, like it knew me. I mean, this is. Hey, you know what I mean? This is why I'm getting into the other area of this. That's right on my other side gig. But what's fascinating Is here we have a psychologist, someone with a PhD, studies behavioral psychology. And she's like, one of my jobs, one of my primary jobs is to. Is to discern when people are hallucinating and when they are not, when they are broken from reality and when they are not. And she's like, this was wild for me because we're, we've really, both of us saw like a actual three dimensional thing in this reality and it really blew their minds. And one of the other interesting things about this story is that there is a. A quick encounter from 1999 where two construction workers in that area claim to have seen a wolf, like humanoid stand from a crouching position and run off on two legs. So this area has some history of stories like this. Godfrey said that the area, it's all bluffs and valleys. It's near the Mississippi river, it's heavily wooded, so there's lots of shelter, lots of game and water sources, including. Brian, you might be excited to hear a nearby lake. Yeah, I don't know if you could picture that in your mind, but like imagine a river, but instead of just like running in a line, it's just like a circle. That's what it likes.

[B]

Like a swimming pool?

[A]

Yeah, like a swimming pool, but in the woods and much bigger.

[C]

And with fish maybe?

[A]

Yeah, maybe fish. Maybe some boats, maybe a little dock, maybe a couple cute little houses. Sometimes they're real big. Sometimes they're so big you can't even see on the other side of it. So you might think it's an ocean, but it's not. It's a lake. Whoa. Yeah. So what do you, what do you think so far about this, this, this Wolfman story?

[B]

Brian, listen, I want to believe so bad, and in a way I almost do. But I do think her working in psychology almost works against her in this situation.

[A]

She's too smart.

[B]

Because as somebody who majored in psychology.

[A]

Okay, bring it on.

[B]

I almost think that if she is around so many people that like, are talking like about seeing so many weird things, I feel like they're almost priming her to also, like see those things in, you know, every day to day life.

[A]

What we didn't learn was that all of her patients think that they are werewolves. That's the one thing that we didn't.

[B]

So it's always just kind of like in the back of her head that like, she sees this thing. She can't really explain it. So she immediately is like, oh, wait, it might maybe. What if it is?

[C]

Because I'm a psychologist, I could Couldn't possibly be.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, but what about Chris?

[B]

What about Chris?

[A]

Chris who's with her and sees the same thing.

[B]

Chris is a beta and I think, and I think he doesn't want to disagree. I think he's willing to just be like, look, we've been in a lot of fights lately. I'm just gonna let her have this and agree with her.

[C]

Great.

[A]

Okay, fair enough. You know, this is why these stories are so fascinating. So the next wolfman or woman hails from the north and its nickname is the Calgary creature. This is from Monsters among us. On May 5 in the year 2015, a woman from Alberta, Canada had an encounter too close for comfort behind her garage on her property. Since moving into the place, she told Linda Godfrey that her family had been here to hearing strange animal noises around their property. Their two dogs were always on edge and alert, as if there were an apex predator in the area. And the sound of a high pitched wolf like cackle would often make the pups quote, go insane. It wasn't just howls either. Often the family would hear what sounded like a large person running through the dry grass. Grass just after dark.

[C]

Oh, that's horrendous.

[A]

That's the creepiest thing I've ever heard. You're getting ready for bed. You turned off all the lights. All the dogs are back in their kennels.

[C]

Yeah, they just finished barking at the wolf cattle.

[A]

Yeah. And then you're, everything's gone dark and then you just hear something running around in dry grass outside your house.

[C]

Horrible.

[A]

Terrible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Occasionally they would even catch with up glimpse of something large starting through the trees out of the corner of their eyes.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So around this time, animal populations in the area, especially like livestock and even some of the wildlife, started to nose take a nose dive. Entire, it seems like the entire coyote population vanished. And then all of a sudden there was like an abundance of groundhogs because their natural predator was gone. And then they said suddenly like almost overnight, all the groundhogs disappeared and even people, she said neighbors were saying that their deer that they always had coming through their lawns and their property were suddenly not showing up anymore.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

And then in October of 2015, around 11pm So I guess the top of the story takes place at 2016. So I apologize, got my dates from around October 2015, around 11pm the woman's daughter was pulling into the driveway and there, directly in her headlights, about 40ft away, was what she claimed to be a six foot tall wolf like creature standing on two legs. It was dark Gray, with erect ears, thick thighs, and dog feet. And the daughter said it resembled Remus Lupin's werewolf form from Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. And the upper part of the wolfman looked more man like, with square shoulders and hairy, human like hands. And she said when it ran off, it jumped. Ran. She said it, like, leaped extremely fast. So then a few months pass. On May 5, 2016, mom, the woman who contacted Linda S. Godfrey, has her own encounter. It was early in the morning, and she was trying to catch one of those dogs that got loose from the kennel. And she was walking around in the flashlight in the yard, scouring the area, when she noticed something unusual behind her garage. Her flashlight beam caught at about 30ft away against her neighbor's fence. A creature that was like the one her daughter described quickly stand up from a crouching position and dart away. So she was like. At that point, she knew she had seen the same thing that her daughter had. And she'd said she's not want to make up stories. We've been dealing with this phenomenon since we moved in. And the other weird thing is that they had often seen a lot of odd lights in the sky. They said oftentimes they would see a row of like, three lights or orbs that would be hanging in the sky just below, like where airplanes would fly or sometimes hovering over the tree line. And so there's no direct correlation that, like, this wolf creature had anything to do with the. Those lights. But it's just this might be an area where just like, weird activity is happening. So what do you think about that, Brian?

[B]

I'm on board hearing the lights.

[A]

Okay, that got you.

[B]

I was. I. You tell me there's orbs in the sky. I. I'm firmly there.

[A]

The.

[B]

If it was without the orbs. I am a little bit like, what's. I'm curious to know, like, the why there needs to be a motivation for, like, this, this wolf guy. Like, I feel like if he wanted. If he wanted to, he would in a way. Like, if he wanted to eat them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or do. Or whatever. He could have easily done that.

[A]

He seems to not want to be really noticed by these people. He's content with eating coyotes and groundhogs.

[B]

Yeah. But he could easily take any of us. Exactly 100.

[A]

So maybe this wolf is like, I got you. Don't worry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Weird, right?

[B]

Maybe he just needs a friend.

[A]

Maybe he does. So finally, we head across the U. S. Canadian border back down to a rural southwest Michigan farm where a man named Brad Believes that he's had multiple encounters with a werewolf like creature similar or creatures similar to that of the Michigan Dog man, which is a famous cryptid. People in Michigan say they see this dog man running around a lot.

[C]

A real classic, real classic.

[A]

There's a radio song all about him and this comes from Linda's book I Know what I Saw. So the first encounter took place in February of 2016. So kind of around the same time that this is happening up in Calgary. Brad woke up early to shovel snow in the driveway. And he stopped about midway through his frosty chore when he heard a splash come out of the nearby creek. That's how he writes it. He glanced over to the tree line and saw a pair of yellow amber eyes staring back at him. They were set in the form of a bipedal wolf like creature standing at about 7 and 12ft tall next to a large oak. After six or seven seconds, Brad said the creature took off running and leapt into the treetops where he claims he could hear it making its escape as if it were sailing through the trees like bouncing from limb to limb like Tarzan style.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

A month later on March 26th around 2:30 30pm Brad was walking along the creek clearing brush. He was armed. He was about 450 yards up the creek when suddenly the woods went silent. And this is a phenomenon that happens often Brian that, that people including Linda will refer to as the Oz factor, named after the wizard of Oz. Like that transition from your reality into to a different plane. And it's the, it's the feeling of when like suddenly all the crickets, all the birds, everything goes quiet and you suddenly feel like you are not quite in you, you know, our reality anymore. That something else is crossed over or overlapping. So he had that sensation and that coin. That term the Oz factor was coined by Jenny Rand Randalls who's another author and paranormal person. But I'm going to read directly from the book this encounter, it's pretty fun. Brad said. I rounded a bed in the creek, went up ahead. About 55 yards was what looked to be the back of a black bear and that was digging into the bank of the creek. I was setting my firearm down on one of the little islands in the creek. I snapped a branch and it stopped completely what it was doing. I froze and watched. This thing stood up on two legs and started to turn towards me. It stood 8ft tall and had a huge wolf like head, snout and ears of a dog and all black fur. In the first encounter, the Creature's fur was gray in color with some white. This one was all black. Kept glancing over to the east, east and back towards me. It had not seen me yet. Put it snout to the air and looked around like it was sniffing the wind. That also creeps me out. Looking around for him. Ah, I'm completely freaking out at this point. And reached to pick up my firearm to get it out of the area quickly. When there was a splash up the crick. I looked up and now this thing was on all four legs. It slowly still stood F4 to 5ft. Still stood 5 to 5 and a half feet tall. It's a real American werewolf in London right now. At this point, I don't want to run out of fear that it will give chase. Just like your daddy taught you, Brian. So I stayed frozen. It looked at me and snarled and I thought it was sizing me up. And then all of a sudden it looked the east back at me one more time and took two giant leaps towards the east and onto the bank of the creek. That's about a 25 foot distance. It then jumped towards the treetops and disappeared to the east. I stood there in total disbelief. I got home and my mind just kept racing. So I decided to confide my father about what I had seen. And he looked at me as if I were an alien. Said I was crazy. Crazy and I should get my head checked out. I know what I saw. I know what I saw. Dad, why are you looking to the east? This werewolf thing, this is weird. Also hopping and climbing in the tops of the trees. Also very strange. Brian's got a big smile on his face. What are you thinking?

[B]

I one time I did, I went to Alaska once.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I went on like a nature tour. We were like in a school bus essentially. And while we were just like driving along, we like stop. And then the driver slash tour guide or whatever is like there's a wolf like in like standing right in the middle of the road. Just kind of just like standing there. So everybody got up to look at it and I was shocked at how big it was. Like they're fucking huge. And I'm a little bit like this could just be a wall.

[A]

But what about it? Walking around on two legs.

[B]

Hey, remember one of those bears? We saw the bears walking around on two legs. That was mind blowing too, in a way that's true.

[A]

I've never seen. I'll tell you what, sometimes, I mean, I guess I've seen videos of little dogs walking around on two legs. It's Possible. But jumping up into the treetop? Come on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Brad's third and final encounter occurred on May 20, around 9pm Brad was collecting wood for a fire he and his dad were burning down by the crick, back behind the pole barn, which I don't know what the hell does anyone know what a pole barn is? Maybe a quick googs will help us out. Brad lit a cigarette and heard rustling in the woods. By this point, he was embarrassed to admit that he'd become afraid of the woods. It was near dark, and once again the woods went quiet. Brad then describes what sounded like the sound of a zipper being zipped up. He glanced towards the sound and saw something move about 30 yards away. Then the air filled with the smell of rotten guts and urine. The smell was soon followed by a deep, guttural growl. Now, so at this point, I'm thinking, dad, shoot him away to get some firewood, because dad had to take a big old dump out in the woods and he needed some privacy.

[C]

Yeah, there's the real wolf man.

[A]

Yep. Brad shone his flashlight along the tree line and caught the sight of shiny red eyes about five and a half feet off the ground, peering back at him. The creature stood on two feet, feet towering eight feet tall, flashing a pair of hairy arms that ended in clawed hands. The beast growled again and turned and lurched back into the woods. So, Linda Godfrey points out that this feels almost like a Bigfoot story with the red glowing eyes and the smell and the smell and all of that stuff. Stuff. And then the other thing that happened was Brad around this time had been laying apples out for the deer. And he said that every time he would set an apple out, he'd come back and there would be a rock where the apple had been. And that kind of gifting or trading is also weird Bigfoot behavior. Oh, but he also said that. He also claimed that he found huge in this time. He was like, he'd go out and search this area and he'd find huge wolf tracks on his property.

[C]

I mean, those are probably wolves.

[A]

Could be. I mean, they're. I'm not saying that's what it is.

[B]

But the trading the apple for a rock is really funny. It's like, yeah, I'm going to take this food and I guess here's a rock.

[A]

Here's something out of the same shape. Well, dear listener, I don't know if this wolfman sampler was enough to make you believe in dog men or werewolves or wolf men or women, but if I were you, while walking through the woods, at night, I'd steer clear of any cricks and driveways. You never know what's lurking out there. Looking to pick a bone.

[B]

And that.

[A]

And that is some wolfman encounters for you. You, Brian, what do you think?

[C]

Sure is.

[B]

I mean, I'm definitely terrified of the Midwest now. I. I'm gonna keep my eye. I'm. Yeah, the one thing about this is, like, they don't seem particularly menacing towards humans. It seems like they're kind of really. Yeah, yeah, they're a little like they're more eaten, you know, deers or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, they are very much in common with a lot of the. The rest of this phenomena, which is like, they seem to want to avoid. They like lurking and looking and maybe spying, but once they're seen, they're like, I gotta get out of here.

[B]

They're not now, you know, trying to throw hands.

[A]

If somebody got attacked by a wolf man and got killed, we would never know about it. You know what I mean? So it could. It's possible it happened. But. But in the. At least in these stories, they're like, I gotta get out of here again. Much like Bigfoot, much like Ghosts, much like UFOs. They're like these fleeting encounters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Riley, I did think of you when I was reading these stories about, like, your fear of the Midwest that you discovered when we went to Kansas. And I was like, ooh, yeah, I could really see, you know, because Riley didn't like the wide open spaces and houses being really far apart.

[C]

Yeah. Midwest, I don't know, because it gives me the jeebies.

[A]

I was like, oh, this. This would be fun to see. I could imagine a werewolf running between those houses in, like, big, big open space.

[C]

It's the perfect spacing for a werewolf to just dart right through. Yeah.

[B]

You prefer stuff to be close.

[C]

Yes. Either I either want a city or a wilderness, but this, like, all this space and then one Victorian farmhouse, sort of on a knoll, and then space again. I'm like, that's too scary.

[B]

Yeah, I get that.

[C]

It's too much to me.

[A]

To me. I'm like, oh, I can finally relax. This is what I crave. Well, Brian, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for sharing stories about orbs and wolf men. Where can people find Sage Based Wisdom and anything else that you're working on?

[B]

You can find Sage Based Wisdom, the podcast I co host with our friend Janice Schmeeding. I think it's like, everywhere. Spotify, iTunes, et cetera, supercast.com.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you guys just launched on Supercast as well.

[B]

Sage based wisdom, I think.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's sage based wisdom supercast.com.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[A]

That's how it works. Just. Just like we're bcc.supercast.com.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Y.

[A]

You'll find it. Just Google Sage based wisdom. Supercast.

[B]

I do stand up. And if I post all my upcoming shows on Instagram at Brian Underscore Bahi. So if you want to see me do stand up. Yeah, go there.

[A]

Okay, great. We love it. Well, thank you for being here. We appreciate you.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

You have a wonderful Halloween.

[B]

I'm terrified.

[A]

What. What's out your window right now?

[B]

Literally just darkness.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's what's frightening thing.

[B]

I know. Yeah.

[A]

As we say goodbye, why don't you take a piece of candy out of the metaphorical candy basket? And what are you gonna grab to take home with you? What are you taking?

[B]

Oh, it's one of those new tiny Reese's cups with bits of Oreos.

[A]

Oh, lovely.

[B]

Which. Which is a real thing.

[A]

You know what? I am ashamed to admit this because I've been working out again, which I'm also embarrassed.

[C]

Mitt.

[A]

Thanks, man. But I bought because I was like, I can't turn. I at least gotta try these. I got the Oreos with the Reese's peanut butter filling and. Wow, you know, that sounds really good. I tried one last night and I will say it's good. It's.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

It's kind of like it doesn't fully feel like an Oreo and it doesn't fully feel like a Reese's peanut butter cup. And I'm not sure they nailed what your imagination is thinking when those two things pair up. Yeah, but I didn't hate it. It was still tasty. So I put them in the freezer and I'm hoping that I forget about them until then. I. Until I really will be excited when I want them.

[C]

The wonders of modern science.

[A]

How are the peanut butter cups with the Oreo bits in them? Have you tried them?

[B]

They're so good. They kind of copied something I've been doing for a while, which is. Is just like literally Oreos, dipping it in peanut butter and taking a bite.

[A]

Little Oreo hack for you. Yeah, I love it. Okay, well, great. Well, like minds, you know what I mean? We're on the opposite to opposite sides of the same coin here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, well, happy Halloween, Brian. Thank you for being here. And everybody go follow sage based wisdom right now and go over to Supercast and support the show.

[C]

Indeed.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Bye. Don't chew on that, Max.

[B]

Cooper loves that chew too. Oh, now he's into Cooper's food. Wow.

[A]

He is loving it.

[B]

What do you feed Cooper?

[A]

Blue Buffalo Life protection formula. He never leaves a crumb. I love it because it's made with high quality protein, nutrient rich fruits and veggies and wholesome whole grains.

[B]

Looks like we're switching to blue.

[A]

Blue Buffalo foods are made with the superior ingredients your dog needs to thrive. Can your dog food say that? Visit feedbluefood.com to learn more. Well, you know what?

[C]

What?

[A]

Not such a bad first installment of Zombie Bigfoot's cryptic crypt.

[C]

I'm too bad at all.

[A]

You know, I'm in the Halloween spirit now. I gotta go decorate my. My place. Are you putting out anything?

[C]

I'm sure I will. I. I am so ready for Halloween and fall. It's been a. It's been a long summer.

[A]

It's been a weird ass summer and a weird ass year and I don't know. I don't know, my friend.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I am excited for a little spooky, you know? Yeah. You know what? For collector's corner, why don't we say what spooky movies we want to see this this fall or have seen. Have you seen any good spooky movies?

[C]

I mean, just last night I watched Silence of the Lambs and I haven't seen that in years. Wow, that movie holds up.

[A]

That is, man.

[C]

It'll make them like they used to. That is a. That is a film.

[A]

I probably have not seen it since high school.

[C]

Yeah. And I think I, I realized watching, I was like, I don't think I ever actually saw this like all in one sitting either. I think it was like one of those things. I was like, oh, that's like this, you know, and I would. It's like you'd like quote it it like when you were a kid. Because it was, you know, but it wasn't, you know. Yeah, the nice fava beans and a nice Chianti.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know that bit.

[A]

But is he still brilliant as Dr. Collector?

[C]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

So good that performance holds.

[C]

Yeah. We watched it because we'd watched. It was called Locked, I believe on a Plane. It was one of the scars guards and. And Sir Anthony.

[A]

Oh, it was a bill.

[C]

Yeah, probably. I think so. You know, it's so hard to keep track of all those scars guards.

[A]

And there's Augustus. There's Goose. Yeah, that's Bill.

[C]

It was good yeah, there was some amazing filmmaking bits that were really cool. I had to look, I was like, how did they shoot this? Where they're in a car interior but the cameras circling all around and.

[A]

But yeah, maybe a little, a little heavy handed.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I guess a little cheesy.

[C]

Not so much cheesy. It's just like this is what this movie is about and we are saying it in the dialogue, you know. But I also think that you just kind of have to do that to get a movie made these days.

[A]

Sometimes you really got to spell it out and you kind of have to like, now you're also like. And it's got to play in like 53 foreign markets. So we got to make it clear, translate international audiences what's happening here and what, what we're really going for. It's, it's, you know, it felt like.

[C]

A very good concept and story and great performances, but then, yeah, pushed through this sort of studio mold.

[A]

Processed, ultra processed.

[C]

I mean the perfect, the perfect movie for a plane, you know.

[A]

Great. Yeah, I'm. Well, I'm very much not a horror movie, but I cannot wait for one battle after another. The new pta.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I'm excited about that.

[A]

That's opening the day that the. No, it's already open by the time this comes out, so hopefully I'll have already seen it. But I, I was thinking for fun I to do like the entire Conjuring verse rewatch this month because I've seen conjuring 1 and 2, which are great. I've heard 3 and 4 are okay. The new one just came out and I've heard it's okay. But then like, I've never seen any of the Annabelle movies and this is sacrilege for our podcast, but I've never seen any of the nun movies and I hear like at least one of both of those is really good. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna dive into the conjuring verse and I'm gonna watch them all kind of, you know, I'm gonna binge them all. That might be kind of fun.

[C]

You know that. Yeah, I'm going to add on to this too. And I haven't even seen this movie yet, but I am excited to see it. But a friend of mine. Oh yeah, a director named Stuart Ortiz. Actually this is a different thing. A director named Stewart, he's. He made a horror film called Strange Harvest and it's like a found footage style horror film, but it was like totally independent, you know, like small budget. He made this thing himself really with, with, you know, his friends and he got it sold. It's on like all the the it's on dude streamers now. It's getting great reviews. It's supposed to be super gnarly awesome. I have not seen it yet, but if you're into like scary horror, check out Strange Harvest. That's my cool. My shout out to Stuart.

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Yeah, congrats. I also want to see I still haven't seen Bring Her Back, which is part of it takes place in the same same director and same story verse movie universe as Talk to Me. Did you ever see Talk to Me, the one with the hand? Yeah, yeah. Bring Her Back. And it's supposed to be pretty gnarly too. But I'll probably check that one out this month as well. I'm ready to watch some movies. Ready to like nest up a little bit, you know?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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It.