Originally released as Episode 504 on 8/22/24.

Jay is a gold prospector from Oregon who had a close-range encounter in the Willamette National Forest that changed the way he sees the outdoors. In 2016, while working a remote creek near Oakridge with a small group, Jay found himself alone on a steep hillside when he came face to face with something he couldn’t explain.

He breaks down the entire experience step by step—from the environment and positioning, to the behavior of the creature, to the split-second decisions he had to make while standing just feet away. Jay shares detailed observations about movement, body structure, and the way the encounter unfolded in real time, along with how it’s affected him in the years since.

This conversation gets into awareness in the wilderness, how quickly situations can shift, and what it’s like when something you’ve only heard about suddenly becomes real.

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