I Retired Early in My 40s WITHOUT Withdrawing from My Portfolio! | Life After FIRE

Summary

BiggerPockets Money Podcast: "I Retired Early in My 40s WITHOUT Withdrawing from My Portfolio! | Life After FIRE"

Release Date: May 7, 2025
Hosts: Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench
Guest: Chris Luger from Heavy Metal Money

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1. Introduction

In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench welcome Chris Luger, the founder of Heavy Metal Money, to discuss his remarkable journey to financial independence and his life post-retirement. Chris shares his strategies, challenges, and insights, providing valuable lessons for listeners aspiring to achieve FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early).

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2. Chris Luger's Journey to Financial Independence

Chris Luger recounts his path to financial independence, which began in 2015 following a divorce. Previously, his ex-wife managed their finances, leaving him unaware of their monetary status. This pivotal life event prompted Chris to delve into personal finance.

Chris Luger [00:00]:
"It was just a matter of keeping in the back of my mind the 4% rule. And if I could meet that 4% rule with just my investment accounts alone, then I felt safe."

Starting his journey as an enterprise systems engineer in Minneapolis, Chris educated himself through books and podcasts, leading to significant debt reduction and aggressive saving.

Chris Luger [01:19]:
"I worked my way up to paying off all my debt. I was able to save and invest nearly 70% of my income for about seven years or so."

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3. Investment Strategies: Stocks and Real Estate

Chris adopted a hybrid investment approach, balancing both stock market investments and real estate. Initially, he focused on real estate, purchasing his first property in 2017 and expanding his portfolio to ten rental properties.

Chris Luger [02:58]:
"I started investing in real estate as well, and I bought my first property in 2017. I worked my way up to 10 rental properties."

However, to pursue a larger commercial project, Chris downsized his residential portfolio to five properties, demonstrating strategic asset management.

Chris Luger [05:49]:
"I have five residential properties and that's because I had, I'm involved in a much larger commercial project."

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4. Achieving Financial Independence: Rules and Portfolio

Chris's financial independence was anchored by the 4% rule, ensuring his investment portfolio could sustain his lifestyle without depleting his assets. His diversified portfolio comprised a 60:40 split between stocks and bonds, complemented by substantial real estate income.

Chris Luger [10:01]:
"From a fi aspect, really, it was just a matter of keeping in the back of my mind the 4% rule."

His real estate income alone provided sufficient cash flow, enabling him to retire early in his 40s without withdrawing from his investment accounts.

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5. Transition to Retirement and Challenges Faced

Transitioning from a structured corporate environment to retirement posed unexpected challenges for Chris. He initially struggled with the lack of daily structure and the pressure to achieve multiple personal goals simultaneously.

Chris Luger [21:28]:
"After about six months of being retired, there's really no structure and I have to build my own structure."

This adjustment led to a panic attack, highlighting the psychological hurdles often overlooked in the FIRE community.

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6. Mental Health and Coping Mechanisms

Chris emphasizes the importance of mental well-being post-retirement. To cope with stress and anxiety, he limited his exposure to negative news and sought support from friends and therapy.

Chris Luger [19:10]:
"I have income-producing assets, so I can weather the volatility of the market because I have real estate."

Additionally, mentorship and community support played crucial roles in helping him navigate the emotional landscape of retirement.

Chris Luger [23:03]:
"This community has been great and connecting with people in the community has been really wonderful for me."

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7. Advice for New Early Retirees

Drawing from his experiences, Chris offers several pieces of advice for those embarking on early retirement:

1. Retire to Something:
   Instead of retiring from something, retire to a purpose or passion.

   Chris Luger [35:45]:
   "I love the idea and the mantra that people have said that you retire to something than from something."

2. Build a New Structure Gradually:
   Use the analogy of a manual transmission, starting in first gear and gradually moving to higher gears.

   Chris Luger [24:09]:
   "Think of retirement like a manual five-speed transmission. You have to ramp up to it."

3. Engage in Meaningful Activities:
   Whether it's volunteering, continuing a passion project, or learning a new skill, staying active contributes to a fulfilling retirement.

   Chris Luger [35:45]:
   "Do it. I think it's great."

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8. Conclusion

Chris Luger's story is a testament to the power of intentional financial planning and the resilience required to navigate life after financial independence. His blend of disciplined saving, strategic investments, and proactive mental health management offers a comprehensive blueprint for aspiring early retirees. By sharing his journey, Chris inspires listeners to pursue their financial goals while maintaining a balanced and purposeful life.

For more insights and to follow Chris's journey, visit his blog at heavymetal.money.

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Notable Quotes:

• Chris Luger [00:00]:
  "It was just a matter of keeping in the back of my mind the 4% rule."

• Chris Luger [21:28]:
  "There's really no structure and I have to build my own structure."

• Chris Luger [35:45]:
  "You retire to something than from something."

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Key Takeaways:

• Achieving FIRE requires a combination of disciplined saving, debt elimination, and strategic investments in both stocks and real estate.
• Transitioning to retirement involves not just financial readiness but also building a new daily structure and finding meaningful pursuits.
• Mental health is crucial; limiting exposure to negative news and seeking community support can aid in a smoother transition.
• Personalized financial strategies, such as adhering to the 4% rule and maintaining a balanced investment portfolio, are essential for sustainable retirement.

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Chris Luger's narrative provides a holistic view of financial independence, emphasizing that true retirement is as much about financial stability as it is about personal fulfillment and mental well-being.

Transcript

[Chris Luger]

From a fi aspect. I mean, really, it was just a matter of keeping in the back of my mind the 4% rule. And if I could meet that 4% rule with just my investment accounts alone, then I felt safe. Okay, I can leave work. I can just live off of what my real estate's bringing in. I have other side hustles too. Just because. No rest for the wicked man. I just love doing things so.

[Mindy Jensen]

Hi there. I'm Mindy Jensen.

[Karl Jensen]

And I'm Karl Jensen.

[Mindy Jensen]

And this is the Mindy and Carl on Life After Fi show where we talk about what happens after you reach financial independence.

[Karl Jensen]

Why do we call this show Life After Phi?

[Mindy Jensen]

Because we're talking about and talking to people who are living their best life after reaching financial independence. And today we're speaking with Chris Luger from Heavy Metal Money. Chris, thank you so much for joining us today.

[Chris Luger]

Oh, thank you for having me.

[Mindy Jensen]

I'm really excited to talk to you. I've met you a ton of times. I've heard a bit about your story at Campfire when you spoke. Was it last year or the year before?

[Chris Luger]

Yeah, it was last year at campfire.

[Mindy Jensen]

Rocky Mountain Camp by Rocky Mountain. Let's get back into your money story. Just very briefly, I'd like to know how you reach financial independence. So what was your job? What was your savings rate? Let's talk, you know, all the nerd money things.

[Chris Luger]

Yeah, just really quickly. So I discovered all of this back in, like, 2015 when I got divorced. So when I got divorced, my wife at the time handled all the money discussions, all the money things. Like, I didn't really even log into the accounts. I had no idea where the money was going or whatever. And I was working as an enterprise systems engineer for a software company at that time. It was a locally based software company here in Minneapolis. And basically discovering this personal finance community and the financial independence community, I quickly learned that, hey, wow, when you're intentional with your money, you can retire in like, 10 years. And that was just a super crazy concept for me. Like, I had no idea people could do that. And so then because of that, I just, I started, you know, educating myself, reading tons of books, listening to tons of podcasts. And that led me to, like you mentioned, I worked my way up to paying off all my debt. I was able to save and invest nearly 70% of my income for about seven years or so. And that really accelerated my path to financial independence. And around that same time, I also got involved in real estate. And so I started investing in real estate as well, and I bought my first property in 2017. And then I worked my way up to. I had 10 rental properties. And that's when I decided to hang it up and leave corporate America.

[Karl Jensen]

First of all, heavy metal money does not refer to the actual heavy metals. Those are like cadmium, mercury. That would be bad. Those are toxic. And I assume you didn't discover financial independence from Metallica or Megadeth, which is what heavy metal money is really a reference to. I'm curious, what was your entry point to financial independence? How did you discover this?

[Chris Luger]

So heavy metal money is kind of a. I took my two passions and kind of smashed them together. When I started learning and discovering back in like 2015, 2016, and I started Googling, literally, like how to budget. And I first discovered Mr. Money Mustache, I discovered Dave Ramsey. And I followed Dave Ramsey really closely, like the first year or so, I mean, really just paying off all my debt and focusing on paying off my truck, paying off my house, that type of thing. So that's really how I discovered it was just really starting to Google how to budget, how to manage money for the very first time. And then it was reading some of those other books like Rich Dad, Poor dad, and then the ABCs of real estate Investing, and I started to realize, wow, money can be used a different way.

[Karl Jensen]

I've got one more follow up. You mentioned David Ramsey and Mr. Money Mustache. Those two have a little bit different viewpoint. And I remember Mr. Money Mustache even wrote a post about Dave Ramsey and it wasn't unkind, but it wasn't kind either. Where do you land between those two?

[Chris Luger]

That's a great question. I am definitely. I'm a student of everyone, right? I want to learn different points of view, different takes in all sorts of different areas, and kind of formulate my own, I guess, my own plan, my own strategy. And so that's kind of like what I do, I think. You know, I think Dave Ramsey is great. For those people that are just starting out on their money journey, it definitely helped me. But then I quickly realized I'm like, well, I'm going to use credit cards. I'm going to leverage these points. Like, you know, I'm going to. So there's definitely some things that I don't really agree on, but I also agree on living super frugally. You know, I like some of the things that Mr. Money Mustache talks about as well. So, yeah, I just kind of make up my own rules based on everything that I learn. And it changes, right? It evolves along the way. So you know, we're human, we can do that, we can change our mind.

[Karl Jensen]

Yeah, I think that's a super great answer because both of those guys are right. Dave Ramsey has lots of good information and so does Mr. Money Mustache. It just depends what your temperament is and some of the beliefs towards money. For example, we do not believe in paying off cheap debt. We have a mortgage that we could pay off, but we do not. And yeah, that's all I have to say about that.

[Mindy Jensen]

Chris, you said that you had 10 rentals at one point. How many do you still currently own?

[Chris Luger]

Yeah, right now I'm down to five. I have five residential properties and that's because I had, I'm involved in a much larger commercial project. So I needed to basically sell some of those properties to leverage the cash for this larger project. So I'm migrating away from residential properties to this larger new construction commercial project. I'm, I'm learning along the way. We've been talking about it since 2023 and there's been lots of delays, changes, scope, creep. But it's fun. I'm learning along the way. It's super awesome. I'm excited we break ground here like June 1st and yeah, I got the loan out for underwriting like this week and it's going to be a fun project for sure.

[Mindy Jensen]

Is this a solo project or do you have partners with you investing in this?

[Chris Luger]

Yep. So a friend of mine, we're partnered 50, 50 in the project. So it was just too big for me to bite off on my own. I tried, I attempted, but I would need such a large cash position after talking to a few different lenders. And so, you know, I tried to leverage the equity I had in my existing portfolio. And you know, a lot of the lenders, commercial lenders are like, well, because it's a non owner occupied project. Like I don't have, you know, I'm not going to be in the facility. There's just a lot of, I guess, limitations on what they'll use as far as my equity. So they wanted a larger cash position. So I went to my friend that he actually brought me the deal because he originally owned the land. This is going to go on. And he's like, hey, do you want to do this? And I was like, sure, if you will kind of help me, coach me along the way. I've never done it before. And after me trying to do it on my own, I just went back to my friend and said, hey, will you partner on this with me? 50 50. And he's like, sure. So luckily it's cool because I feel in a really good position because he's done this before and he's really been kind of like a mentor for me as well and.

[Mindy Jensen]

Oh, that's awesome. Okay. Do you have a partnership agreement in place?

[Chris Luger]

We do.

[Mindy Jensen]

Oh, thank you. They say never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to. Like, that's in court. And this isn't actually court. But I was like, oh, I guess we can edit it out if you're.

[Chris Luger]

Like, no, no, we, we absolutely do. Yep.

[Mindy Jensen]

That makes my heart sing because everybody's all friendly at the beginning because you're going to make so much money and everything's gonna go perfectly. And at the end, a lot, a lot of times friendships are challenged or even like kind of broken because you had different definitions or expectations than they did. And, you know, one of you wants to sell and one of you wants to keep it, and neither one of you can afford to buy the other one out and yada yada yada. So I'm just very happy to hear that you have a partnership agreement in place. Let's go back to your residential real estate. The five units that you have, how much income does that generate in terms of your monthly or annual spending?

[Chris Luger]

I basically bring in from my existing rental properties about 6,000amonth. That's the disbursement for my management company. So I have a full service management company that manages all my properties. I self manage when I had like up to three. And I will tell you, it's just a lot of work. And once you get, once you get management in place, you really can scale and it's a lot easier to scale and grow your rental portfolio. But yeah, so right now, I mean, now my expenses are relatively low. The notes that I have on my existing properties, one is paid off in full and then the other ones, I do have notes on them, but again, they're all at like 4% rate. And so, yeah, the rents I get, that's kind of what I'm using to live on. That's my, that was my kind of my, my plan. Right. Like when I left work, when I, quote, retired, I was going to use the income from my real estate to pay my bills.

[Karl Jensen]

Okay, Chris, so you became financially independent. Was that based on your rental house portfolio or was that based on your investment portfolio or both?

[Chris Luger]

I would say both because I looked at two different things. I looked at what I had in my retirement accounts and my brokerage accounts. Right. But I also looked at my overall Net worth. And so definitely real estate helped me accelerate that net worth for sure. But I will say from. From a. From a fi aspect. I mean, really, it was just a matter of keeping in the back of my mind the 4% rule. And if I could meet that 4% rule with just my investment accounts alone, then I felt safe in that, okay, I can leave work and I can just live off of what my real estate's bringing in. I have other side hustles too. Just because. No rest for the wicked, man. I just love doing things. But yeah, so I think. Did that answer your question? I kind of forgot it did.

[Karl Jensen]

I find people like you pretty interesting because in my experience, Mindy and I have been in this community for like 12 years now, and most people side on the side of real estate or investment. And I call people like you poly investorists.

[Chris Luger]

It's a hybrid model, Carl. It's a hybrid model. I use both.

[Karl Jensen]

No judgment here. However you want to live your life, Chris, that's not to be. So you mentioned. Real quick, one follow up. You mentioned the 4% rule, return for your investments. Do you have. Do you follow a rule for real estate? Like some people want to get the 1%. Do you do that or is that out the window?

[Chris Luger]

That's out the window. I mean, the 1%. There's no way I could ever do that here. Where I. All my properties are here in Minneapolis. And. Yeah, you can't do it.

[Karl Jensen]

Just curious, do you care to tell us what your net worth is when you retired versus what it is now? And I'd also be curious to know how you determined your spending. How did you know what amount you needed to retire with?

[Chris Luger]

When I started kind of thinking about what life's going to be like after I retire, I basically made my own spreadsheet. That was my cost of living in retirement. And I had a couple different columns, and I had one that was like bare bones, minimum expenses, right? This is just like insurance, taxes, food, gas, like, just no frills, man. Just like, this is the minimum I need to live. Then I had another column that was like, okay, well, I'm gonna go out to eat sometimes. I'm gonna go to some concerts. I'm gonna, you know, buy that collectible like Iron Maiden vinyl or whatever, you know, And. And so I'm going to do that. And so I started really tracking that for a while. And I got super down. I mean, really nerdy. I had a bunch of nested, you know, nested rows in there. Like, you know, I mean, digging into Every single utility and what I had spent over like every month over years and kind of building averages and that type of thing. And so I determined that I'm like, man, I have very little expenses, right? I have no mortgage, I'm a single guy. My, you know, my utilities are relatively low. And so man, I could live literally off of like $2,500 a month. Like it's super cheap, kind of a guideline. Like it was like ballpark, let's see like where I hit. But I knew I wasn't going to be drawing down on those accounts. I wasn't be drawing down on those accounts until, you know, 65 or something. So I kind of, I didn't really even, you know, I used it as kind of a, a target to hit. But then once I made the decision, I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna use those accounts for another 15 years. So I'll just worry about my, my rental income right now.

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[Mindy Jensen]

People who are listening who are like, there's no way you can only you could live off of $2500 a month. Yes, you really can. And you can live a nice life. You're just not living. What does Paula Pan say? You can afford anything. You can't afford everything. You're not doing everything. But you're making, you're making decisions based on. I spend approximately 2500amonth and now you're making 6000 from your rentals. So if you have, you know that Iron Maiden vinyl come out and you're like, I need to spend more this month. You've got it covered because your income is generate. You're generating so much more income than you actually need. I did a quick math. 2,500amonth is $750,000 in investable net worth per the 4% rule. When you retired, what was your exact exact ish net worth number?

[Chris Luger]

Net Worth number was like 2.2.

[Mindy Jensen]

Okay, stock market. I'm sorry?

[Chris Luger]

Yep, stock market. I was at like 1.3.

[Mindy Jensen]

Okay, so a little bit over, but not grotesquely over. Oh, well, I guess you're almost at 1.5, which is 2x. So. Okay, did you have, what year did you retire last year?

[Chris Luger]

2024.

[Mindy Jensen]

That's interesting. I don't know if you've been paying attention lately, but the stock market's a little squidgy.

[Chris Luger]

It is, yeah. And I think, I think that's the thing is, and I know a lot of people are like, I went out to lunch with my uncle the other day and he was like, oh my gosh, I wish I would have sold this. And you know, you know, he's kind of in a panic. Right. But I think that's one thing that you can hedge if you have realist. Like I have income producing assets, right. So I can weather the volatility of the market because I have real estate. And even if the real estate market, you know, if there's a little bit of a dip or values go down or whatever the case is, I'm still, I'm still getting rents, right? People need a place to live. I mean, that's, again, whether that's, that's the way I think, right. People need a place to live. I have these properties and I provide these quality properties where I'm getting, you know, pretty, pretty comparable rents for the area. So I know that I'm still, I still have these income producing assets even if the market starts to be volatile and has these drops. And like I mentioned before, knowing that I'm not drawing on that right now. I have the Runway. I have the time for that to come back and eventually, hopefully make again additional gains.

[Mindy Jensen]

So do you have anything in a bond portfolio? What does your, what does your portfolio look like?

[Chris Luger]

It's still like a 6040 right now.

[Mindy Jensen]

60, 40 bonds or 6040 stocks? Real estate.

[Chris Luger]

6060 stocks and 40.

[Mindy Jensen]

What's 40 bonds?

[Chris Luger]

Yep.

[Mindy Jensen]

Oh, bonds. Okay, so you did retire per the 4% rule with the 60:40 bond portfolio. Now that's your, that's your equity or your, what is the right word for that? That's not your real estate. Like you just added up 100%. So that's just 100% of your.

[Chris Luger]

My portfolio is 60, 40.

[Mindy Jensen]

But what about your real estate? What percentage of your net worth is real estate?

[Chris Luger]

You know, almost. Almost. Almost half. Like a little over half probably.

[Mindy Jensen]

Okay, yeah.

[Chris Luger]

Of that entire 2.5 or whatever. I mean, before two days ago, it was up to 2.7, which was like, wow.

[Karl Jensen]

Yeah, it's. We live in interesting times. I saw the. We actually don't have any bonds, but I saw the 10 year bonds like spiked like crazy, I think last night around midnight or something like that. Chris, is that you selling bonds? I know yields are inverse and all that, so. Chris, did you double your bonds like around midnight two days ago?

[Chris Luger]

No, I did not.

[Karl Jensen]

Okay, it must have been the Chinese then.

[Chris Luger]

In all seriousness, I mean, these last few days I've just really been kind of like eyes closed, ears closed, not really paying attention. I don't want to get wrapped up because, you know, I really, I start to. I would get emotionally like it really starts to take a toll on you. Like, I mean, during COVID like for instance, you know, the news can be. It can hurt you, man. Like it causes stress, it causes. I mean, I was like feeling really bad. I mean, I had to go to therapy. I mean, Covid, I thought the world was ending. Like all my friends were gonna die. Like, I didn't know what was going on, right? I mean, I saw a video on TV of like refrigerated semi trucks with stacks of dead bodies. And you know what I mean, I was like, what's happening? And it was really scary. And so I gotta start to limit what I take in. And so now I'm trying not to pay attention to the news. I don't want to see the doom and gloom that's out there.

[Karl Jensen]

Yeah, the news is bs. That is a valuable life lesson right there. What's the biggest difference between what you thought retirement was going to be and what it's really like?

[Chris Luger]

Carl, that is a great question. I guess I knew I wasn't going to just flick a switch and things were going to be okay. I actually did go through some challenges. Like after about six months of being retired, there's really no structure and I have to build my own structure. But I thought I had all these things I wanted to accomplish and I had to run 100 miles an hour. I thought, okay, I'm going to leave my corporate job on a Friday and Monday. I, I'm going to hit the ground running and I'm going to make all these, all this progress, right? Because I had a lot of things I wanted to accomplish, right? There's a lot of things I want to do. You know, I want to keep building my, my blog and my brand and I want to help educate people with financial literacy and you know, you know, on saving, spending, investing and, and different ways to earn money and things like that. I want to continue to do that. But I also started a nonprofit a few years ago and I want to make a bigger impact with that nonprofit. There's just, there's a lot of things I wanted to do and it was challenging. Like I wasn't making the progress I thought I was going to be making. It was starting to be scary. And actually I started to. I actually was in Milwaukee, I was at a music festival in Milwaukee and I had like a panic attack and I didn't know what was happening and I had to like get a plane. I had to fly home early. And I was like, what's going on? What's happening to me? You know, And I so like. And it was one of those things. And I will say a good, really good friend of mine in the fi community, Kevin Sebesta, one of my, one of my really good friends that I've met probably three, four years ago. But him and I have gotten really close. Really cool dude. And I remember I called him and I was just like, man, I don't know what's going on. And I love this analogy. He said like when you retire, when you leave work, it's going to take some time. And he goes, think of retirement. Think of it like a manual five speed transmission. And I left work thinking that I was just all the way in fifth gear, right. I was run going 100 miles an hour. It's like, that's not how it works. Like, you have to ramp up to it. You have to like, okay, you're gonna spend six months for a year in first gear and then you're gonna spend another six months and then you're gonna go up to second gear, third gear. And then eventually after a few years, well, yeah, then you can be running in all cylinders. You're like, you're, you're in fifth gear, ready to, ready to hum. Right. And so I just love that analogy. And so that's one of the things where I didn't expect that to happen. And it was scary. But again, this community has been great and connecting with people, other people in the community has been really wonderful for me. And I think it's really helped me get through like the last six months for sure.

[Karl Jensen]

Yeah, it's a, it's a difficult transition. I like the manual transmission. And what I would say about myself real quick is I was, I always operated in level six and I had the car redlined and as soon as I stopped working, I just kept on working and kept it at that whole Thing. So I would like to learn how to put the car in neutral and coast for a while. Like, the same qualities that make us eligible for early retirement. We're pretty determined. We work hard. A lot of smart people in this community. Those qualities do not service in retirement much of the time.

[Mindy Jensen]

I would also like for you to learn to put the car in neutral.

[Chris Luger]

This may get a lot of. I may hear the. It's going to come out of the woodwork now because we. I. I kind of butt heads with a bunch of people in the personal finance community. I have a financial advisor and I pay fees. I pay assets under management. Right. A percentage of my portfolio. But I feel confident. I feel more confident. I feel I talk with him. I've been working with him for years. And what I like about it, too, is that it's a more holistic conversation. We talk about more than just my portfolio. He analyzes, gives me, you know, talks about my real estate, talks about my kids, talks about my estate, talks about taxes, talks about, you know, everything. I mean, and he will also, like, when I worked, when I was working and I had a 401k with my employer, you know, I could have him help me look at the funds available in my 401k. And those are funds that he's not managing, but he's helping me based on my goals, based on where I'm trying to get to. And I think that there's so much value in that. Yeah. And so I remember there was. I kind of really got. I don't want to say bullied, but it was. It was a couple of years ago at some of these FI events. And they were jokingly, they were like, well, you could be doing this on your own. Why are you paying someone? And all this stuff? And jokingly, they're like, I'm going to take away your FI card because, you know, I'm paying someone. But you know what? I like the idea of having the confidence, not having to just rely and focus on it every day. I can have someone that I can talk to. And I talk to him all the time. I talk to him, you know, every couple months. And, you know, he called me the other day talking about what's going on right now in the market. And so I don't know. That's. That's the way I feel. And I think there's nothing wrong with that if you can still hit your goals and it gives you peace of mind. And again, there are DIY investors that are doing it on their own. And I think probably you know, you guys are doing it on your own. I don't know. But I absolutely think you can do that. I just choose not to and I'm okay with it.

[Mindy Jensen]

So we had an episode with just a couple of weeks ago with my friend Amy, who is also using and Financial Advisor and Assets Under Management. And the comments were generally positive about that. I think the FI community ebbs and flows in like what's acceptable. If you do have a problem with Chris using Assets Under Management financial planners, please email. We don't carell somebody else.com because it is Chris's money, not your money. So don't worry about what he's doing with it. He's clearly doing okay. Would you. Would you categorize it as okay or would you categorize it as great? Because I think I would categorize it as great.

[Chris Luger]

Oh, well, thank you. No, I'm. I'm doing okay. I think that. And again, it's. I understand. Like there are people. I get it. When you hear people, oh, they're charging you like one and a half percent or something. I get it. Right. When you get a. When you get a portfolio that's so large, it can be a pretty big percentage again over time as well. And I feel as though again, finding the right balance between who you're working with and lower fee. I'm paying like 0.079% on my assets, so I feel comfortable with that.

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[Chris Luger]

I don't want to say like I'm stronger now.

[Mindy Jensen]

I mean that was five years ago. You could be very much stronger now.

[Chris Luger]

Yeah, but I, I think I am. I mean I think it's, it's one of those things where because I have the confidence that I have these income producing assets where I'm not necessarily dependent on my portfolio at this time. It's really not affecting me too much. I keep doing what I do and I continually dollar cost average. I'm still dumping money in there every month and I'll continue to do that and it doesn't really bother me even though I mean we are in a little different time. I mean, you know, but I do feel as though it is cyclical. This will happen. It hopefully will rebound at some point and I'll still be in a good position then.

[Karl Jensen]

Yeah, it's self correcting. I'm not going to get into politics but if the current policies work great well I'll be better off. If they don't work then someone else will be voted in and we'll take another path and that's the end of that. Do you worry at all about running out of money?

[Chris Luger]

You know, it doesn't prevent me. I've actually started to kind of spend a little more than what I was spending. Like when I need to buy a brand new. A brand new guitar. Whoa. What kind of guitar is that? This is Solar. The name of the brand is Solar, but I just love that matte black, carbon black. Super, super sick.

[Karl Jensen]

Is, is it wood or what is the guitar material?

[Chris Luger]

Yeah, no, this is. I can't remember if this is mahogany, the neck. But yeah, it's. It's freaking awesome.

[Karl Jensen]

Oh man. Cool.

[Chris Luger]

I don't think I worry about running out of money. I like what you say, Carl. I am more afraid of running out of life.

[Karl Jensen]

Yeah, I like to. One thought exercise I've done lately is I'm about 50 now. So I picture myself in my 80 year old body and consider my life at 50 and think about when I turn 80, if I don't do X, Y and Z, am I going to regret that? And I don't know, there's different things that I'll work for different people, but that works for me and it makes me want to spend a little bit more and live a little bit because I hope I have quality of life at 80, but I'm not counting on it. Hell, I might not be alive at that point. Right.

[Chris Luger]

So I remember one time you shared like that you did the Vegas sphere experience.

[Karl Jensen]

Yes.

[Chris Luger]

And you were like, this is what it's for. Like spend the money.

[Mindy Jensen]

What advice do you have for any new early retiree for a smooth transition into retirement?

[Chris Luger]

You are on to bigger and better things, I expect. So. Yeah. You know, I really do like the idea and the mantra that people have said that you retire to something than from something. And so that's definitely if you have something that you can retire to that you're creating a life of purpose and meaning and not to jump on. I love Doc G's book, the Purpose Code. It's super great on like creating purpose. And that's something that I, I really did. Like I went through that after kind of, you know, six months into retirement. You know, the, the honeymoon phase wore off and now I'm like, let's, let's actually truly create the best life I want to live. And maybe that's volunteering, maybe that's doing those things or maybe it's like, you know, the job that you really want that but you don't care how much it pays kind of a thing. Just you want to do good in the world or whatever. It is. You want to play guitar, learn an instrument, go to art classes? Like, whatever. Whatever, man. Like, just do it. I think it's great.

[Mindy Jensen]

All right, Chris, this was so much fun. I really appreciate your time today. Tell our listeners where they can find you.

[Chris Luger]

Awesome. Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it, both of you. The best place to go is. Is my blog at Heavymetal Money. And you'll find all my socials there, my YouTube, all that stuff. So heavy metal dot money. And I look forward to connecting with people. And you know what? Let's. Let's hit a show sometime. I'll. You know, I travel to travel to hit cool shows in different cities, too. Like, that's. Let's rock out.

[Karl Jensen]

Oh, heck yeah. We have Red Rocks right here, which is.

[Chris Luger]

Dude, did you see what's announced at Red Rocks? No, what? Grunge on the rocks, dude.

[Mindy Jensen]

Really?

[Karl Jensen]

Let's do it.

[Mindy Jensen]

That sounds awesome.

[Chris Luger]

Grunge on the rocks. It's. I'm not a grunge fan, but I can't remember. Look it up. There's, like, two headliners, but then there's, like, they're gonna cover, like, Nirvana stuff, and I want to say Alice in Chains, and I can't remember, but it's grunge on the rocks.

[Karl Jensen]

I am looking it up right now.

[Chris Luger]

Cool.

[Karl Jensen]

Come out here. We live 40 minutes away. You can stay in our guest suite, which is pretty nice. And let's do it.

[Chris Luger]

Awesome. Thanks so much, guys. Have a great one. And horns up.

[Mindy Jensen]

Thank you, Chris. We'll talk to you soon.