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Fab Morvan
You can make people feel uncomfortable when you shine that much. But I remember one instance where someone was very angry and said, you know, one of the reasons why I was hating on you is because you still fighting for your dream. And I gave up. And I was like, wow. And I tell people it's never too late. There is no time. Try to remove the world time out of my vocabulary by focusing on now. All I have is now.
Mara Dorn
Welcome back to the build pod, where authenticity trumps authority. Wow. My name is Mara Dorn, and I am your host today. But I am fangirling over here because I am coming back to my prime. I am feeling myself. We have the greatest, the best. I mean, I would give you an amazing introduction, but I'm pretty sure everybody knows who. Who Fab Morvin is. I mean, and if you don't know who he is, you really need to figure it out. Like, that's not. You know, I don't feel like I need to give you this. They need to know. They need to know who Fab is. Fab. Welcome to the B pod. I'm so excited for this.
Fab Morvan
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Mara. It's a pleasure to. To come here and I know we're going to have a good. A good time because that introduction was fun. Thank you.
Mara Dorn
Oh, my God. If they don't know, should we tell them?
Fab Morvan
Girl, you know it's true. Oh, man. I mean, we got Gertie knows through. We got blaming on the rain. We're going to miss you. Blaming on gurney knows shoes. I mean, you know, we have all those. Those heads, you know, I just blur them out like that. And I'm sure in their heads there's an echo happening and they hear it right away.
Mara Dorn
I am amazing. But, you know, the reality is, is you've had an incredible career, you know, filled with trials, tribulations, but I think the most. I think the most reputable thing about you and the most profound thing is regardless. And it was pretty big. I mean, if you don't know what happened, I'm not getting into the whole thing that happened because I don't. I feel like that's just part of the story. That's not the story, but you overcame it. You are doing amazing things, which we'll talk about. You're doing absolutely amazing things. Also, you know, you have an incredible voice, which I think is really important. Let me say that again. You have an incredible voice, you know, so that's. I think that's super. That is so amazing to highlight, but, you know, really What I want to talk about, and I hope it's okay with you is I kind of want to talk about the. And I'm sure for you it's kind of. Is it like a, is this like deja vu? Like the controversy that's going on with this whole concert? So I feel like, you know, like we're here again. So I think it's time that you set this record straight because we had some things to talk about.
Fab Morvan
Let's go. Let's go, let's go. Well, you know, I've been a part of a few store media storm in my life, okay. And one of the first one that happened that took me away, you know, in his path, I had no control over. And you know, when you ran into the game, you really don't know how things gonna happen. You have no, you know, there was no team around to protect us. Through the years I went through other storms, but this very specific storm regarding Freedom 5050 and the 250 year anniversary in Washington D.C. with a state fair, that was something else because it was nestled with politics. And I understand how politics works. And it's, it's, it's a chess game. So, you know, I didn't want to be a pawn on this equation. So I bow down. I bought out of the equation, right. I had pulled out 100% out of the way because I felt like we was going towards something that I was not supposed to be part of. You know, Right. As an artist, you're here to entertain. You're here to take people down memory lane. You're here to take them out of their daily lives. You're here to shower them with beautiful vibrations. And that's what I was planning on doing. But when we started to look at what was going on, it looked like a duck, it walked like a duck. And it was like, well, you know, we can be part of that. You know, you just have to. And the thing is, other artists that were part of the bill started walking out early on, but I'm not a follower, so I had to find out exactly what's going on, get the facts right so you don't make any mistakes. You know, once you're out, you're out. But once I found out exactly what was going on and what was. Because, you know, the media has a tendency oftentimes to distort stories. And we know right now we use climate. Everything is historic, left, right, center. And people benefit from that. Let's not forget that controversy sells. People watch tv. They, you know, you have the, the Term clickbait. I like to use that term because it really explains exactly what that. What it is about. And there's a lot of that going on right now in the media. And now I forget that you have all those podcasts and all those other things that are. That are there just to direct traffic their way and try to win this way. That's the only way they know how to win. You know, that's why I'm happy to be here with you, because it's about positivity. What happened to me in the story, People know, some people don't. And, you know, and there's a book for that. There was a documentary for that. It was a movie. But we're here to talk about how did I manage to pull through? Because people fall and, you know, you make mistakes. And that's one of the message that I like to. To convey to people, that we can fall, make mistakes, but you can't stand back up. It's up to you. Take the noise to zero and just go over your bad self, you know, and it's you, yourself, and yourself, you, myself, and I imagine.
Mara Dorn
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. No, I think that is one of the. I think that is one of the most amazing parts of your story. And I. And I do think that people forget that it's part of the story. It's not the story. And the media. Yeah. And the media loves to make it the story, but that's not the story. It's a part. And I mean, let's. And first of all, I do want to point this out, and maybe people are going to get annoyed with me for saying that. Just going back to the lip singing thing, There are tons of there. I've been at concerts where lip singing was going on. I mean, I don't know why this. This was like such a big, like, wow, oh, my God. Like, this made no sense. But it's the media. It's what they do. They hype up things to make it seem like it was bigger than what it actually was. But do you remember when you used to perform, you're jumping around, you're doing this, you're dancing. Like, it's kind of impossible to do both. So I don't know why this is such a big thing.
Fab Morvan
The thing is, you know, let me. Let me take you through the whole gamut. You know, I grew up on Michael Jackson, you know, James Brown. Yeah. Marvin Gaye. Those are the people that I look up to, you know, and if you look at the level of performances I've always looked up that as a kid I was a dancemate so I, I went to, to see shows. I've seen shames on Broadway and it's not impossible to sing and dance. It just takes a lot of work right now. There's another thing that took place through the years. You know, music has changed, music has evolved and maybe it has something to do with some of the, some of the bands that we used to see jumping on stage and rocking it out and just crazy. But then the age has a tendency to slow people down. So maybe now everything is very kind of cookie cutter. They don't have the pipes anymore. So maybe we, we introduce auto tune straight into the microphone. People, if people, people are doing it, you know, so there's a lot of chips. But I, I'm not pointing a finger at anybody. Things to evolve. Technology brings certain facility and ease to make things that were more difficult, more easy for some. But as far as I'm concerned, I feel like to keep it raw is necessary because when you start to use all kinds of tool to mask your energy, you will sever parts of the connection with the audience. Yeah, but we have, in this world, we've, we've tend to go towards perfection. If something is not perfect, like, oh no, that's wrong. So if you listen to some records from the 70s and the 80s, you're here. Some of the records like, oh, that was flat, but it was normal. And I said, man, as a matter of fact, the record so sound a certain way. But when you, you wanted to see the band live, they sounded amazing and two times better than the record. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. S of the times, you know, things do change and as an artist, it's up to you to pick and choose what do you want to be. And don't listen to what anybody says. But unfortunately there is pressure from your handlers, from your management. Now it's going to be perfect to keep. It can't be. It has to be just like the record. And then you fall into backup tape and having, you know, your mix and your lead be tucked in under your lead and then you start to, then you start to sound like. And if you make a mistake when you sing, your mic is here and the voice keeps going, you're like, oh, is he singing? And the person was singing possibly, but because they have that other lead tucked in under to support the vocals, because the person is tied well, it can happen that you won't be perfect. Nothing's perfect.
Mara Dorn
Yeah, yeah, but let's just do I want to hear you sing a little something, because I know you could sing. Give me a little something, Fab. Just a little. Just. Let's show these people that had question about who you are. Anything. What are you working on right now? Give me a little tidbit. Just like a one liner.
Fab Morvan
No, no. Everything I'm working on right now is top secret.
Mara Dorn
Oh, okay.
Fab Morvan
All right. Take it old school.
Mara Dorn
Take it old school.
Fab Morvan
But let's take it old school. I'll do. Girl, I'm gonna miss you. Because it always works every time when you perform this. It's just. Wow.
Mara Dorn
I'm excited.
Fab Morvan
Amazing.
Background Singer or Additional Vocalist
So it's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over
Fab Morvan
and I
Background Singer or Additional Vocalist
never will forget the day we made Girl, I'm gonna miss you It's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over and I never will forget the day we made I'm gonna miss you.
Mara Dorn
Oh, my God, I am, like, taking it back to, like, roller skating. I remember roller skating. It was a couple skates and I was told, yeah, it doesn'. But, oh, my. Just for the record, in case anyone wants to know, Fab can sing. So let's just clear that up right now. And he's amazing, but, you know, that was incredible.
Fab Morvan
The thing is, I've been. I've been touring in Europe for over 30 years. That's the one thing America doesn't know about. So, yeah, I did it. I did about. I did about two or three shows already in the US Because I'm coming back to the American market with the I love the 90s brand. And I'm also touring with other shows. But the one brand that brought me back to America is I love the 90s. And we've got Vanilla Ice, we got tone Lope, young Mc Conan, dad, and jazzy Jeff on the bill. July 10th, Rockford, Illinois. I'll be there to entertain you, so keep watching.
Mara Dorn
Right.
Fab Morvan
Man, who doesn't love being IPs music?
Mara Dorn
Who. Who doesn't love the 90s music? Like, I. Well, obviously you can tell I'm a huge fan of the 90s music. But, you know, at such a young age, you faced this controversy, right?
Fab Morvan
This. It was huge.
Mara Dorn
I mean, it was. And I'm sure I don't. I don't remember because I was so young and as a. And you were young when this happened. How did you not let it define you? Like, how were you able to, like, come back from it?
Fab Morvan
Well, you know, it took some time for me to not let it define me, because at first, when I Was new to the game and I really had no tools. Yeah. To know how to handle it. So, you know, you learn the hard way. I started picking up books about self improvement. Also. I had gone to rehab as well. And in rehab I, you know, talked to psychiatristing from people that were really knowledgeable about addiction. I was not necessarily an addict, but I went there to support Rob, who was definitely an addict. But in the process of going to react, I learned a lot of things and I walked away with those tools and kind of further my education on the issue. And it made me better. And year after year I got better. But the one thing that got me to survive is music. Because through music I was able to. To take that pain, that sorrow, that pressure that I had felt and write about it. So then, because I was making music, I wrote first because I like to write text first. It's one of the system that I use. I write the text and then I go into the music. So I was working with various producers and then, you know, some of the songs came, came to life. Some of them, they didn't. But for the most part, the exercise of just writing lyrics and songs and making music gave me then the confidence to go further. It was very therapeutic and it helped me on the journey. And I think that everyone has to do the work. And that was part of the work that I. That I was forced to do. And I felt like as I was getting better with the music, I felt better at the same time. So I always say music saved my life. It truly, truly did.
Mara Dorn
I mean, it's kind of ironic if you really think about it. The irony. Music almost ended your life. And then as far as like your career, not your life, but, you know, your career. And then music is what got you through everything. So, I mean, I think like, when you really think about it, it's like it's really irony when you think about.
Fab Morvan
Is it. I'll tell you another one. You know, I. When you, when we talk about ironic, is that I did a commercial for a very big company. I won't say the name here. And then at the end of the filming in the car, the person asked me, so what do you think you want to be known for? And I said, for being one of the most. The realest. Because that's the one thing that's one of the misconceptions with me is that people have no idea that I am one of the most realest person you'll ever meet. Yeah. So when you have this dichotomy with, you know, oh, me, really, you know, not real, whatever, but I'm one of the realest. And that's why 2026 is such an important year, because I'm going to release music, I'm going to releasing peace. And once this EP comes out, I'm going to be releasing EPs after EP, single after single. We're not going to stop because finally now I'm at a place where I'm putting the pieces together and oh man, once we start, we're not going to stop. But I've been sitting a lot of music, but sometime you have to wait for things to evolve and the industry has evolved so now you can actually release your song. You know, now you don't have to sign to a label, you can sign through the studio and then you control of releasing whenever you want, whatever you like, and bring people into your musical universe. So I look forward to doing that this year to be continued in your job.
Mara Dorn
I mean, think about it this way too, you know, allow, which I think you did you have by now. How old. What were you in your 20s when, when you first came to the US and you were singing like. And what were you really? How old were you?
Fab Morvan
I was, I was about 23 or something. And I'll tell you something, years old. I was 23 years. And let me tell you how new we were to this world. When I stepped out of. When I was driving in the limousine, you know, towards downtown, we heard Millie Vanelli on the radio on three radio stations. He turned it, wow, we were losing our mind. It was, it was such a, a shock, right? And as we were driving down the street that we were now in New York, I opened the windows and I was wondering, oh, that's weird. Why the car? Why are the streets so quiet? Because I grew up watching American movies with the sound, extra sound, you know, the sound that's added in post. And I thought in my head that that's how it sounded. So the street, the streets were sounding so quiet, that sound nude and so naive. We were, Rob and I, you know, we thought everything that we have seen in movies, that's what we were about to meet, you know. So when we got to New York, we were introduced to that. That crazy energy that New York has and the people and. And we just embrace it because it was, it was so fresh and we met a lot of amazing people and so many people that, that we met in the street gave you so much energy that in the night when we went on stage, you were like, wow, this is, it's nothing but love. But eventually that love turned to something else. And that was. That was a tough part, you know, to go from one end of the spectrum to go to the other, you know, and not knowing how to deal with it. And that was. That was triggered by what was the media, by the narrative. Because there was only one part of the narrative being told, of course, because it sells more. It's more sensational. So the fault and the blame was placed on robbing Fab. So it took years, years of work, of performing, of working. And, you know, the. The best work you can make is when nobody's watching. And that work that you. That you pull in when nobody's watching, that's the most important. So I never did anything for anyone else but myself and my career. Now it's different because I got four kids with the same woman. I'm very proud of it. And now I do everything for them, so I have an unlimited amount of energy. And with this being said, I feel like, you know, when you're young, you are unstoppable. And it's just. It comes with you. You just. And after all those years, I'm so surprised to see how unstoppable I feel, especially what's happening in 2026. Coming back to America, performing live, reintroduce myself to the audience, to the media, and. And not only just performing, but. But doing a great job. And I can't wait for people to come and see. I hope one of these days you can come see the show, because I don't play, you know, I give my all. And the energy that people are used to when it comes to another and what they saw in the videos, that energy is. Is right there to not, you know, I think.
Mara Dorn
You know, I think again, you know, the irony of this is. And. And we were talking about this the first time we spoke is that, you know, it's almost like you have something to prove. So now, like, you. You know, the world had one misconception. Now you get to come back and be like, okay, I got you. You think I can't think you want to, but here I am today.
Fab Morvan
But there's a bug whoop after, you know, I. I studied that very carefully. For example, when it came to the producer, you know, I felt like I had that. That anger towards the producer, towards all the people that had. That abused us, spoke badly about us and people who bullied us, and I had to forgive them first. I had to learn to forgive others. And then when I was. When I was able to forgive, I was able to start over and fresh. Now, I never, I don't try to prove anything to anybody else. The only person that I'm trying to prove something to is myself. To know that originally you made a mistake, you fail. But year after year you've proven yourself that you could do this from the start. So. And that really frees you from this emotional entanglement that you could find yourself into, because emotions are complicated and people's energy and dealing with online, you know, personalities who, who have issues as well. And I, I found myself sometimes confronted. It's very rare, but I remember one instance where someone was very angry, and then I. I don't react to people like that. But some of my fans came up with this person. And then a few days later, I didn't take them out because I don't take them out and give them there and let them be. And then they came back to the senses and said, you know, one of the reason why I, I was hating on you is because you still fighting for your dream. And I gave up. And I was like, wow. And. And you can make people feel. Feel uncomfortable when you shine that much, when you take the chances. And others don't think those chances because. And I tell, I tell people it's never too late, you know, just, you know, gather yourself together. You know, I like to say there is no time. You know, there's people. You have now, you have past, you have present. But for me, I try to remove the word time out of my vocabulary by focusing on now. All I have is now. So in the now, I make my decisions. Tomorrow, maybe? No, like right now. So when I'm talking to you right now, in the now, I. When I speak about what I want to do, you know, I'm connecting the dots. You know, I'm solidifying my, My situation in the near future. Because what you do is in the now, you put those dots and those dots will connect eventually. And I feel like people who look too much into the future, you know, there's a word for that, you procrastinating, you know, you have to do it now, you know, and it's like, I've seen this thing where I forgot the name of that. This. This person. But she was saying that there was a time when she was so depressed in bed, well, she couldn't get up. But then she watched the departure of. Of a second light to space, and there was a countdown. 10, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, zero. And she devised a system where she would say, five, four, three, 2, 1. Zero. And that prompted her brain to just let me get out of bed. And I feel like, you know, I. I've come up with some tools that I've been able to use in my life daily that have allowed me to deal with that depression, with that. I have no energy for that. And doubt, because doubt, everybody will doubt. You know, it happens to the best of us. But you have to find a way to center yourself. Find a way to center yourself and say, you know what? Forget the fear, move forward and just go, you know, So I had to learn the hard way because, man, it felt like Rob and I were. There were two kids in the playground, but the playground was the planet and we were being bullied by the pilots. So it took a lot of effort and that allowed me to just self improve. And all the gains that I've made, I made sure to. To keep them. And that's the reason why people wonder. Now you feel like, so happy. I said, yeah, I found what I love. I love making music. I love create. Creating. I love inspiring others. I am the frequency modulator.
Mara Dorn
Listen, there's two types of people, right? There's two type of. There's two types of mindsets. There's an open mindset and a closed mindset. Closed mindset are the people that are like, they're the victims. They're always the victims. Then you have the people that are, you know, they're. They're a part of the victim. They're not victims themselves. So you take what you learned and you can use that negative energy and you can use it to propel yourself forward, or you can take that negative energy and be angry. And what you said at the beginning, you were like, you know what? I took. I had to first forgive everybody else. But you're right. The only person that you have to ever prove yourself to is yourself, because you come in to this life with yourself and you lead this life with yourself. And as long as you allow yourself grace, and as long as you know who you are, your eternal, authentic self, it really doesn't matter what everybody else thinks. Which is kind of funny because I do want to bring this up. We have to. I have to address this because it really made me mad when I heard about this. So first of all, I'm just going to. So rumor on the street is that there are these women that swear they, you know, that they're Milli Vanilli. So I just, I really have an issue with this, that 30 years later, some ladies are coming out saying that they're, you know, they're really the vocals behind everything. So I do want to, on air, offer them a job. Fab. Like, if they are that desperate for work, I am happy because I'm hiring right now. So if they need to work, I am happy to do that for them. Because this 30 years later, they come out and say, oh, we're really the vocals. That. That's a little problematic for me.
Fab Morvan
Let's cover that. So we're talking about, you know, it's funny because it's. We're talking about background singers. I've never heard of background singers acting as if they were the moon to begin with. Now it's, It's. It's a twin pair, but in reality is one of them that is pushing this. This specific agenda. Maybe because she has a business that needs to push. But let's, let's talk about this. I've been performing in Europe for over 30 years. I've never heard of this person performing with the rest of the group. The last. The first time I heard that she was performing the group was about 32 or 33 years ago when Frank Faring decided to take the. The. The members, all the people who. Who sang on the record in the studio. He was trying to prove a point right after that. I've never heard of this person, but she's been trying on the Internet to talk about. She. Talk smack. And I call that clickbait. You know, if you think about Mill Vanilli to finish, you think about Two Shadows. Two. Two shadows with long hair, and it's Rob and Foul and nobody else. Whatever you. Whatever you can think of. Whatever. Oh, they didn't sing. No. L. Vanilli is Robin F. As a matter of fact, I've been granted the rights to perform and used in my Neil Vanilli. While I perform live for the promotion for the posters. Nobody else has the right to perform under the Magnificent. So I don't know what she's talking about. But again,
Mara Dorn
that's it. If she needs a job, she comes to me. I got your back. If she needs a job that bad, she can come to me. I'm hiring currently. So we'll. We can send her the website and she can apply there.
Fab Morvan
You know, listen, and you're doing this. I'm doing this. You know, so, you know, like it was in Cars. Catch My Dust, My Drop. That's it.
Mara Dorn
That's actually whatever you're on to bigger and better things. Like your book. What about your book that you're doing?
Fab Morvan
Okay, so the book is gonna be
Mara Dorn
where can we find it and tell me the name. Are you allowed to say this?
Fab Morvan
No, not yet. Everything is top secret. But the book is coming. It's been rereleased. Okay. A different title, different chapter, but this book got me a Grammy nomination in a category audiobook.
Background Singer or Additional Vocalist
Wow.
Mara Dorn
Tell me about this top secret book that you are re releasing.
Fab Morvan
Well, the book is not that. What's. What's secret about is there's going to be a new title. Why is there going to be a new title and new chapters is. Because the Los Angeles treatment, the publisher that I was working with originally hasn't paid me a cent for all the book sales until now. They're based out of Los Angeles. There's Barissa Rose, Mo Rock. Those people that are part of the Los Angeles Tribune and involved in every aspect of the book didn't pay me a cent and they ran for the heels when it was time to pay me. So
Mara Dorn
they capitalize off the book.
Fab Morvan
Oh, yes. I don't know how much the book is sold for now because I don't have, I have no information. But lucky me, I had a very strong agreement so I got everything back. Now the issue is it's on Amazon on the, you know, shoe, it's on many other platforms. So right now in the process of removing it and coming out under a new title, new chapter, new information. But yeah, the cat is out the bag, you know, because it's the first time that I mentioned that here today. But the Los Angeles, the Los Angeles should you get number on it, that's for sure. The promised me the world. Everything appeared to be genuine at the beginning. You know, like any relationship you start, you go into a relationship and it feels good. And we say, yes, let's take on the world. Let's, let's win. You know, we got a nomination for the Grammy. As a team, we work together, we put the work in. But when he came down to get paid for some reason they disappeared. And I've been trying to reach him not, you know, via. To remedy the breach, you know, on the friendly basis. No answer. So then you have to send the attorney. Send the attorney. But then you don't get no answers. So then, you know, you look at your contract and we just, we've been following every, the, everything that was in the contract and now we're free from that. And this is why we're gonna re release this book on the different title.
Mara Dorn
Yeah, yeah. Well, I hope if they're listening or somebody does know these people, they need to pay you your money. I Mean, that's. Look, this is what America is about. It's the, you know, people come here for an opportunity and you 100 deserve to be paid your, your fees and your royalties and whatever else they owe you asap, period. You know, it's kind of story.
Fab Morvan
It's crazy that, you know, we, we, we, you. We wrote this book together about my story. It's about exportation and I feel exploited, like literally exploited, you know. So, you know, we came together for a reason. It was to speak my truth, to teach people also about resilience and falling and standing back. But it's a very positive books and I can understand that now. You know, by behaving like this, they're tainting, you know, our relationship that we had. Original, but, you know, there's no show business like show business. And I guess, you know, again, it's another lesson. But the one thing I made sure is that my contract was solid. So I'm getting everything back. I have everything and it's in my control now. We're just going to move forward and, and spread the word.
Mara Dorn
You are resilient. Your app, I think you're the definition of resilience. And I think that it, it speaks volumes of the type of person that you are coming back to the US doing this 90s. First of all, I'm just excited that you're doing that. So I'm just selfishly saying that, but it really does speak volumes that you're coming here to really showcase your abilities, your talents. But you are just like, and I said this before, and I'll say it again, you are absolutely 100% just scratching the surface with your music that's out with your book, your everything that you have going on. If, if you could leave the audience with Fab's words of wisdom, what would you say? Can you get.
Fab Morvan
Ooh, well, I, I use those, you know, I have several. But I will, I will start with when you fall, meaning when you make mistakes. It's not the end of the world. There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's up to you to put the work in nobody else. So don't be afraid of failure, because failure is going to shake you into what you're going to become. It's just the way it is. If you look at Michael Jordan, how many baskets he missed, but how many did he put in at the right time? So the dedication to your craft and who you want to become is important. Now at last, I will say that manifestation. Yeah, you have to go into a dimension where you are making it, you are doing it. And then you come back to the other reality. But make sure to go into that other reality. So smell it, feel it. Feel what it's like to be successful, to be happy because of that success. And then of course you go back to the other side, but keep doing that regular. You know, who's doing that, who's doing that great and has been doing a great way. Rappers, Rappers talk about their success, which they don't have right now. They talk of having this and having that and having this. I mean Jay Z is the epitome of staff of that. Look where he's at now. Look at Knives, you know, in the investment industry, like wow. And then many more, you know. So I think that you, you have to speak what you want, you have to speak it. Don't be afraid of speaking it, of asking, pray, whatever you have to do, but don't be afraid of going forward because that's not going to lead you anywhere. And I come from Europe and in France, I never, I didn't grow up, I didn't grow up with that, that, that way of let's go. That's very America and I think that's one of the one thing that America has exported is to the rest of the world is that let's go, let's go, let's go get it. And that feeling. And when you're surrounded from people who believe in you because you put the work in, then they start to see something that maybe if I join forces biggest person, maybe we can accomplish something. So the more work you put into yourself, you will attract and it's up to you to listen to your instinct and say, this person is not good for me. But sometimes people come into your life to take, teach you a lesson. And then people are here for a season, but not necessarily for the future adventure. So that I try to.
Mara Dorn
Well, that was amazing. I love it. I. I absolutely love it. And you can't take everybody with you either. And that's okay. And your new chapter, your new, your new chapter, your new season is, is here. And if anybody wants to find you, fab, where would they find you?
Fab Morvan
Stay easy. You know, Fab Morvan, Instagram, Fab Morvan, Facebook, Fab Morvim, YouTube.
Mara Dorn
They don't know you then who cares? It doesn't. Everybody should know you. Everybody should know. Everybody should know you.
Fab Morvan
Well, let me tell you, you know, wherever I go, for some reason someone picks up on who I am. And, and now we about to, we're about to take it to the next level. Next level.
Background Singer or Additional Vocalist
You're.
Mara Dorn
You're just being. I think I. I think you're being modest. You are Milli Vanilli. I mean, if you do not know who Milli Vanilli is, even my daughter knows. My daughter knows. Everybody knows who you are. So give yourself a lot more grace than what you're giving. I think.
Fab Morvan
Well, the one. The one thing I've learned is that you have to be careful when. With. I think let's call it ego. You have to, you know, as you. When you're young, you have ego. You know that ego is present. But I think that you have to destroy ego. And I think that when I fail, I shattered my ego. But I understand that, you know, I don't need to pick up those pieces and put them back together. Ego should die, because when ego dies, then it will simplify your life. And then, especially when. When you work with people is. When you work on the project together, it's about the project. It's not about an ego. So be careful with ego. And I'm very confident. You know, I. I appear to be very chill, and I am. But what I do to talking is on stage, in the studio. I do. I do that. I show up for those. And then it's. It's. It's very difficult to ignore the fact that, okay, you know, and I turn into another person because, you know, that that's this other guy, you know, Dr. JPL, Mr. High, you know, is that die cut. And when I'm on stage, I am that guy. But when I get off stage, you know, I go back to, you know, we chill, we relax, and I never mix both. And when I'm home, I'm dead and fat.
Mara Dorn
I love that. I think that's the most important title anyways. So, Fab, you are incredible. Absolutely. If you guys took anything away from today's podcast, take away the fact that, you know, it doesn't matter what you've done in your past. What matters is the lessons that you take from it to really, you know, it's just a part of the story. It's not your whole story. There's different chapters, there's different seasons. But more importantly, when you are authentic and you know who you are inside, everything else doesn't matter. Fab, thank you for spending some time with me. I know you are busy, and I am so glad that we just got to set the record that we got to set the. Set the record straight, as well as offer a job today. So if anybody's out There. And they're pretending like they're Milli Vanilli. We're not going to have that anymore. I just want to be clear about
Fab Morvan
that, you know, and you know, to. To finish, you know, time will tell. That's it. Because you know, my last line will be, the truth always takes the elevator.
Mara Dorn
Yes.
Fab Morvan
No, no. The truth always takes. No, the truth always takes the stairs while the lies take the elevator, meaning the lies will go up fast. The truth takes its time, but the truth always comes out. It always comes out. So, you know, I am a very patient man. And you have to be patient. It's a virtue that you have to practice it.
Mara Dorn
I love it. If you guys love today's episode, please tune in for more conversations. Today was amazing for me. I hope it was as amazing for you, Fab. But if you like today's episode, go ahead, like, subscribe. Unlike Fab, you better subscribe because you're a bilf. You are a bilf. So you have to subscribe. Don't forget. But like, subscribe, Leave a comment. Give us some love, Fab. You are amazing. Thank you so much for. For spending some time with me today.
Fab Morvan
Thank you. Thank you, Mara. I appreciate you. Thank you for the invite.
Mara Dorn
I am coming to the concert too. I promise you. I'm gonna go.
Fab Morvan
Come on. And you know, there will be another episode. You know, we'll. I'll come back.
Mara Dorn
We need to do the follow up, the prelude.
Fab Morvan
Yes. Because you know everything I talked about. Right now I just want to show your. Your, Your audience that everything I talk about is I'm a man of my word. I'll come back and we'll see where I am.
Mara Dorn
Next time, tell them you don't talk about it. You be about it, Fab. Tell them who you are.
Fab Morvan
Doubt about it. That's it.
Mara Dorn
Bye, baby. I appreciate you.
Fab Morvan
Bye. Bye.
Mara Dorn
Bye.
Host: Mara Dorn
Guest: Fab Morvan
Date: June 18, 2026
This episode of BILFPOD brings the legendary Fab Morvan to the studio for a bold and vulnerable conversation about the Milli Vanilli controversy, how media distortion shaped perceptions, the long road to redemption, and Fab’s philosophy on resilience and authentic living. Fab directly addresses recent concert controversies and internet rumors, sets the record straight on his career, and gives listeners an inspiring look at how he turned public spectacle into personal growth.
[00:00] Fab shares the impact of perseverance:
"One of the reasons why I was hating on you is because you’re still fighting for your dream. And I gave up. And I was like, wow. And I tell people it’s never too late… I try to remove the word 'time' out of my vocabulary by focusing on now. All I have is now." — Fab Morvan ([00:00])
Mara sets the tone for an episode about authenticity and overcoming adversity, noting that Fab’s voice and story are bigger than the controversy:
"It's part of the story, it's not the story." — Mara Dorn ([01:41])
[02:46] Fab discusses navigating media storms, specifically the "Freedom 5050" concert controversy tied up with politics:
"I didn’t want to be a pawn on this equation. So I bowed out... I’m here to take people down memory lane, not to play politics." — Fab Morvan ([02:46])
On media distortion and "clickbait":
"Let’s not forget that controversy sells... there’s a lot of that going on right now in the media." ([04:35])
Fab emphasizes the need to focus on positivity, irrespective of public or media narratives.
[06:12] Mara and Fab address the infamous lip-syncing scandal, with Mara questioning why this became such a sensational scandal when many artists do it.
Fab provides nuance around live performance, technical demands, and how technological evolution changed expectations:
"Technology brings certain facility and ease... But as far as I'm concerned, I feel like to keep it raw is necessary because when you start to use all kinds of tools to mask your energy, you will sever parts of the connection with the audience." — Fab Morvan ([07:03])
He highlights the shift from seeking perfection to valuing authentic, sometimes imperfect live performance.
[10:06] Mara pushes Fab to sing live:
"Fab, give me a little something... Just a one-liner." — Mara ([10:06])
Fab sings a part of "Girl, I'm Gonna Miss You," silencing doubts about his vocal ability ([10:36]).
Shares updates on his ongoing tours, notably "I Love the 90s" tour:
"I've been touring in Europe for over 30 years... coming back to the American market." ([11:29])
[12:22] Mara digs into how Fab coped with the original controversy:
"How did you not let it define you?"
Fab talks about therapy, self-help, and the therapeutic power of music:
"I went to rehab... not because I was an addict, but to support Rob. But in the process... I learned a lot... music saved my life." ([12:36])
On irony: music both brought Fab to the brink and healed him.
[14:52] Fab is focused on reclaiming the narrative:
"I'm one of the realest person you'll ever meet... once this EP comes out, I'm going to be releasing EP after EP, single after single. We're not going to stop."
Highlights the new industry landscape: self-releasing music without label constraints.
[16:47] Fab shares anecdotes of arriving in America, naive and wide-eyed, quickly catapulted from love to scandal due to "a single narrative" (media-controlled):
"The best work you can make is when nobody’s watching."
His motivation now: his family and children.
[20:44] Fab discusses forgiveness:
"I had to forgive them first... When I was able to forgive, I was able to start over fresh... Now, I never, I don't try to prove anything to anybody else. The only person that I'm trying to prove something to is myself."
Importance of focusing on the present ("the now") and not letting fear or procrastination take over ([20:44-beyond]).
[25:35] Mara and Fab address recent rumors of others claiming to be the "real" Milli Vanilli vocalists.
"I've never heard of background singers acting as if they were the moon to begin with... Rob and Fab are Milli Vanilli. I’ve been granted the rights to perform and use the Milli Vanilli name." — Fab Morvan ([27:07])
Mara offers a tongue-in-cheek job to the claimants:
"If they need to work, I am happy to do that for them." ([25:35])
[29:15] Discussion of Fab’s book, Grammy nomination, and publishing struggles:
"The publisher... hasn’t paid me a cent for all the book sales... I feel exploited, like literally exploited." ([29:15-32:29])
Announces plan to re-release with a new title and control.
[34:06] Fab’s message to listeners:
"When you fall, meaning when you make mistakes, it's not the end of the world. There are no problems. There are only solutions... Don't be afraid of failure, because failure is gonna shape you into what you're going to become."
On manifesting success:
"You have to go into a dimension where you are making it, you are doing it... speak what you want, don’t be afraid of speaking it."
Lessons on ego:
"You have to destroy ego. And I think that when I fail, I shattered my ego... Ego should die, because when ego dies, then it will simplify your life." ([38:06])
Fab promises new music, a new book edition, and more tours—including a return to the US with “I Love the 90s.” He stands as a model of resilience, self-improvement, and authentic artistry, closing with the long-view:
"The truth always takes the stairs while the lies take the elevator."