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Okay, I'm going to get them and get them the hell out of here.
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Migrants are the cast that makes the engine go.
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Most Americans want all migrants deported. You want anarchy?
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No.
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You want open border anarchy wedding. You know, Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to We'll Do It Live. And this is a very interesting episode we have because we wanted to get to this guy, our guest, before he dies. And that could be momentarily. So we'll do it Live. Kind of fits into the introduction of Geraldo Rivera, who's living large on eastern Long island with his very nice wife, Erica, and whoever else shows up. Rivera, as you know, and I have known each other 50 years, which is amazing. He is on death's door. We had to get special makeup to just to have him be presentable. But he's 83 years old. My God, 83. And look at the hair on him for 83 years. Oh, my. Now, one of the reasons that I asked to have you on today, and I did not know this is our shootout, which is still on the Internet on illegal immigration criminal activity, is almost 20 years old now. And before we show it, we're going to show you a portion of it. It's too horrifying to show the whole thing. I wanted to get an update on how you see what's happened in America in the last, you know, since Trump had been elected the first term. So, number one, thanks for doing this. Very nice of you to take some time out on your vacation. Were you happy with the way the Biden administration conducted its immigration policy?
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Absolutely not. I think that President Biden and Kamala Harris, Vice President Harris, were a recipe for disaster when it came to immigration by opening up the borders, by telling everyone, come on, come on, come on down, we love you, we accept you. You are in. They created the stampede, you know, by multiples of what had existed before. Huge wagon trains of immigrants coming up from the south, the vast majority of them, some also from Haiti and the other parts of the Caribbean and the rest of the world, Africa and so forth. But mainly it was a Latino wave of immigration, totally unregulated. It swamped the border in a way that was shocking and very unsettling even to those like me who believe that immigration is the life's blood of the country. So I was very upset. I think that President Trump has done an excellent job, I was just going to say just an excellent job on the border. But, but I have a real beef with what he has done and with advocates like you, very harshly, to deal with those who are in the country. The border is sealed, he claims, and I have no reason to doubt that there's net zero immigration on the southern border. Now, I say then, now that you've solved the problem, you've turned off the spigot, be nice to the people who are here, if they have not committed crimes, they're part of society, give them a break.
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Okay, so you had some objection to the open border policy which led to President Trump's election. One of the themes of the Trump's second term is getting the criminal aliens out. Now, you and I, I don't want to go over this again because anybody who knows us knows that we have a difference of opinion here. So your thesis, at least it used to be, was that Americans commit crimes at a greater rate than migrants do. And that may or may not be true. But my counter to that was, look that, be that as it may, you don't inject a virus into your body if you're not 100% sure of the reaction that that's going to have. And when you let people in unregulated as you using your word, we don't know who they are, we don't know what they've done. And there is solid evidence that Maduro and people like that were opening their prisons and sending the hard core up here to, to get rid of them. And that led to a lot of migrant crime. Now, I agree with you on one thing. I deal with a lot of recent immigrants, a lot of them, and some of them work for me. And they are the hardest workers. They put, and particularly the younger, they put Americans to shame because they want to make it. They believe in our system, they want to prosper and they want to have a good life. There's no doubt in that mind. I've seen it. I know it, I've written the checks to it. But at the same time, I understand Ms. 13, and so do you. And all of the unintended consequences of no supervision whatsoever. Trump now says I'm going to tackled that. I did the border seal. Now I'm going to get these guys and primarily their guys, okay? I'm going to get them and get them the hell out of here. To quote him, is there anything wrong with that?
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The problem is it's sloppy, it is ill aimed, it is in a way extremely unfair to the people who have been here for 10, 20, 30 years and have committed no crimes, raised their children, followed all the rules except their unlawful entry, have played by the rules in every regard. My goodness. On Long island, where you and I hail, as you suggest, the migrants are the, the gas that makes the engine go. They so hardworking, they're so diligent, so believing in the American dream. It's a shame when you see ICE unleashed in a way that is horrifying, very cruel and not very effective. If the goal truly is, if it sincerely is to get the people that Maduro released from the prison. And I have no doubt to, no reason to doubt that allegation knowing, you know, the government that existed around Maduro and Chavez before him, I think that when you read about the ones that are the nine who've been killed in recent weeks, the many thousands who are being rounded up, five, six thousand a day, you know, they check the backgrounds and they have no criminal past. The vast majority of them, you know, you would, when you think about it, the wily career criminal released from the institution or the jail, he's the one that's going to know how to dodge ice.
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It's going to be, that's why it makes it so hard for ICE to catch them. And they have to go into the neighborhoods where the migrants live. And a lot of times, and I had an extensive interview with Homan, a lot of times there'll be a blameless migrant, somebody who has committed a crime, living with a heinous gang member. And so they all get swept. It's a very complicated, you're almost sorting out millions of people, which is impossible. So here's the next question. Why under Barack Obama was there no move to give the dreamers some kind of framework so they wouldn't have to be subjected to this? Why did the left totally abdicate its responsibility in doing that?
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I don't necessarily disagree, but only to the extent that, you know, by degree, I think that he created the framework of the Dreamers. What's a dreamer? A dreamer is a migrant here unlawfully was brought here by his parents when he was very young. And again, I'll keep using the he rather than they because the vast majority of the ones that are subject to enhanced, you know, desire of law enforcement to round them up. These, these people who came here at 2 years old, 4 years old, went to grade school here, some served in the military. You know, why not give these people the American dream? And now, was Obama, was President Obama effective enough in activating and affecting this wonderful program? The answer is clear. No, because we don't have the dreamer.
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But why, why didn't the left, which is the champion of migration, okay, why didn't they provide some sort of protection for the people who were taken here when they're 2 years old? Most Americans want all migrants deported. All of them, like 80%. Okay, so that's xenophobic and it's based on fear. I know what it is. But they would accept if you came here at five years old and you're a good citizen getting a temporary status to remain doing what you're doing. I believe that most Americans, absolutely, if there was a ballot measure, they would vote for that. But I don't know why the progressive left, led by Barack Obama did make no attempt whatsoever to provide some security for the dreamers. And you can't answer the question. You don't know.
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I don't know. I think it's not as clear cut as you make out. There was tremendous opposition to the migrants in Congress. The vast public opinion, as you suggest, was anti migrant in a way that is horrifying to me. It's very shocking, it's embarrassing. And so much of it impacts Latinos. Well, I don't know the answer, other than the answer.
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Progressive movement were cowards. And President Obama did not lead. He did not lead on this issue. And it got worse and worse.
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What I want to do is move forward.
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Okay, but we have to do one more blast from the past before we move forward. So 20 years ago, actually, 19 years
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ago, the title of your program.
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Now my next book is Confronting America with Acid Change. And I do deal with migration in the book. But anyway, 19 and a half years ago, so Rivera and O'Reilly at Fox, and we did a weekly or whatever, and I was a staunch. You cannot let migrants, foreign migrants, into this country unvetted. Okay? So there were two girls in Virginia who were killed by a migrant drunk driver. And this set off one of the most explosive debates in television history. Roll it.
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C
Do you know how many people we have in jail? How many of them are illegal aliens? Illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do.
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This guy shouldn't have been healed. Cool your jets.
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C
It has nothing to do with illegal aliens. It has to do with drunk driving. Don't obscure a tragedy to make a cheap political point.
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I'm the father.
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C
It is a cheap political point.
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No, it isn't. And you know, this is justice.
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This has nothing to do with. Mayor, you want nothing to do with
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that Mayor, you want anarchy.
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No, what I want, you want an open.
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What I want is fairness, okay? Two rational guys just out for lunch. I'm sweating, you know, and both of us have modified our position a little. I think that's accurate to say. But when I did my recent documentary for News Nation, where we both appear now on San Francisco, the people who control the hard drug trade there, which kills thousands of people in the Northern California area, are Honduran gangs, okay? They control everything about it. And so it's not a problem that's getting better, it's getting more entrenched where you have people from around the world coming in, selling the hardest drugs, the drugs that will kill you, okay? And California authorities look the other way. And they have for a long period of time. And so my contention is these people shouldn't be here, these Hondurans, there's no way they should be killing Americans selling this poison. Yet they are. And that has not changed. And I think it's a strong point.
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It is a strong point, but how about this point that the vast majority of them, Honduran, Guatemalan, Dominican, Mexican, you name the country, Haiti, you name. The vast majority of those coming here are law abiding people, hard working people, people coming here in search of the dream that we extol, the American dream, that if you work hard and you play by the rules, you can succeed. Your kids can do better than you did. They can go to college, they can go be professionals, they can serve in the military, they can make the world a better place. Nobody speaks into Russia, Bill.
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All of that is true, but it does not address the harm reduction factor where you have a tremendous amount, and I mean, Milton, more than a million, okay, of criminals who have come in here and actually are killing Americans with fentanyl and heroin and everything else. So the good people, okay, they don't override. If you're a heinous person and you die, and there's St. Peter and you're looking at him and you go, hey, you know, Pete, I might have been bad, but my kids are really good. And so don't send me to hell because I had something to do with those good kids. That argument is not going to work. It's a harm reduction argument that you have to have control over who is here. Now, I'll grant you that ISIS needs a much more disciplined approach to the way they take people into custody. Okay, I believe that and I don't think that's a hard thing to do. And I don't think Homan disagrees with it either. Okay. And it should happen. The two in Minnesota that interfered with the ICE investigation, it's a little bit different. But the guys, you know, running around Houston and Maine or wherever it was, they got waxed. I mean, I don't know their circumstances. I don't know whether they're good or bad people. I don't know. But that'll come out in a court of law. Okay, so let's advance the conversation. Now you. I went to a dinner with Rivera, Sean Hannity, Levin and Sean Compton who runs News Nation. What was that about three years ago or longer than. I can't process anything anymore.
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C
I think three years.
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B
Okay. So we're all at the table with the President and he's very nice to invite us all and weren't any food fights or anything and we were all kind of behaving. But you and Trump were friendly? I mean, you know, friend friends. Would that be accurate?
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Definitely. I love the guy. I have for a long time. We've been pals. He's been extremely gracious to me and my family. I loved hanging out with him. We go way back. I go back even further than you. And it's a tragedy to me that because of January 6th and this obsession that he has with the 2020 election and the issue of migration and his cruel approach to, to dealing with immigration, that I was forced, you know, with a strong pressure from Erica, my wife, who you referenced to vote for Joe Biden. And then, you know, I say it out loud, I want people to know where I stand, that those issues are so important that even friendship.
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B
Did you tell Trump you voted for Biden?
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Yes, yes, I did. I did. And I was delighted that he did not. He's never, he's been in office now with first term and then now the second term for probably a combined three years or
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six and a half together.
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And he's had plenty of opportunity to criticize me and he's never done it.
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He doesn't trust you, but he gets hurt when his so called allies he takes it personally.
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C
And I know that the dinner that you reference was extremely secret. I was pledged to secrecy, do not reveal. And a bit more of the circumstance. He was getting a lot of bad press. And you and I were the most fervent advocates of him taking a Reagan esque approach to the office, you know, shining city on the Hill approach. And I think you even use that expression, if I recall correctly, from Mario Cuomo. And Trump was, as he often does. Yes, you're right, Bill. Yes, Geraldo, you're right. I'm going to be more of a mensch. I'm going to be more of a, you know, a good guy. I'm not gonna. And then, you know, two minutes later, he, he goes and he blows up this or that, you know, so.
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Okay, number one, number one, at the dinner, nobody told me because nobody ever would on this planet tell me what I could and couldn't say. That's just me and everybody knows it. But number two, the. Here's how I read President Trump, and I'd like to get your opinion on it. So he takes everything personally, 100% across the board, personally. All right. And he believes that in his first term, he was betrayed by the people that he trusted and put in powerful positions, Bolton people like that. And so now he puts more emphasis on people he believes are loyal to him. Secondly that I'm surprised they didn't ask
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you to be Secretary of State or. No, I'm the job that Pete Hex is our pal got.
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I'm much too much of a maverick to work in a bureaucrat like that. You know me, I mean, I'm a maverick. But I never ever tell him what I would do or what he should do, ever. And when I speak to him, I don't call him, he calls me. And then when he asks me, I tell him, and I always preface it was, you know me. If you ask him this question, I'm going to give you an answer. I do not expect him to act on the answer. I don't. Because he's got 50,000 other things coming at him. And the circumstances he deals with every day are things that I don't know. I don't see what he's dealing with. I did say Iran was the biggest gamble of his life, and it was. And it is. And I still am praying that it turns out the country, our country's way. But it was an enormous gamble because both you and I have spent time in the Middle east, okay? We know the treachery that that is there and that the irrationality in life doesn't matter. Human life had no meaning to these people whatsoever. To go in and try to force them to do something is exceedingly difficult. It's up there with Putin. Okay. It's up there with that narcissistic. I'm going to do what I want. So I think that Trump is a good man and that sets me apart from 85% of the press. But I can give you time and date. Time and date. Time and date. I think he wants the best for the country. Do you believe that?
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Of course I believe it. I don't think that he's evil minded. I lament some of what appears to be personal enrichment with bitcoin and so forth. And I haven't followed them that closely, the various scandals involving the children and so forth. But I think that it's unfortunate. Iran was a stupid war. The news always gets worse in the Middle East. To think that they were going to have a miraculous change of a 50 year old regime was very naive. And, and we're paying the price now, not only at the pump, but we.
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But really what price are we paying as a people? We're the most affluent people on the face of the earth. Okay? Even the poor American lives better than the middle class European. All right, what price are we really paying to protect the world from a rogue terror nation acquiring a bomb? Isn't the cost worth it? Or do we just let the Treaty of Versailles be abused and let Adolf roll his Wehrmacht into every country in Europe because the two are very, very similar? We allow this because we don't want to pay more at the gas pump. I'm not sure historically that, Shakespeare, you
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make Iran a strong man, Iran a straw man. Iran is an awful regime. I still extremely angry, bitter over the taking of the Embassy, 1979 and the holding of the hostages. I still have that gripe. I think that my take on it is the nuclear issue, which I think that the Obama administration and subsequent negotiations were very acutely aware of, is now being used, I think, to explain away what was a disastrous foreign policy decision to bomb Iran in league with Israel, helping to wreck Israel's reputation, already embattled Israel arguably convincing Trump to do this. You say that Trump would never say, would never suggest or never accept a suggestion or be forced into doing something. Well, I think that he and Bibi Netanyahu really have this chaotic situation. This is on their plate. They have to deal with it. Why the president did this, you know, having taken out Maduro, you know, having
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it dwarfs Maduro when you have a terror nation that can explode a nuclear device and no one is going to deal with that, then that nuclear device is going to go off. It's just a matter of when, not if.
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I agree with that. But to suggest that they warrant that previous administrations were indifferent to Iran's indifferent.
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They failed.
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I think is incorrect.
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They failed.
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They fail.
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Has President Trump succeeded? You know, I'm not sure where this damn thing ends. You know, people who've been projecting or forecasting that this or that is going to be the conclusion don't know. The Middle east, you know, we've been around. We've been there since 73, the October War. I've watched them all. Every one of those. Those conflicts, you know, I have a pretty good take on it. I think that the one thing that the Obama jpoa, I forget the initials. The nuclear inspectors had a fairly good handle on it, and then once we punched the hell out of them with the B2 bombers and the precision strikes rendering them crumbs.
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What's a good handle, though? They're enriching uranium in Pickaxe Mountain, according to every weapons instructor on the planet. And the mullahs admit themselves they need a nuclear weapon. I don't understand what the doubt is. I know the progressives won't believe no matter what. It's almost like Afghanistan where you were chasing Osama bin Laden around. It's almost the same thing. So you have a guy that comes in to be President Joe Biden, and he surrenders to the Taliban. He just surrenders to them. Now, the Taliban doesn't have a nuclear presence where Iran does, largely because of Putin, by the way. And people don't know this, but I do. So Putin sent a lot of nuke scientists down to help Iran develop the nuclear weaponry, and that's how terrible villain he is. But in Afghanistan, you had the situation Fairly under control. 18 months without any American casualties, and then Biden marches in and surrenders everything. And that signals to everybody in the world this guy's weak. Biden he's stupid. Which was a dumb move to do that when you didn't have to do it. There was no pressure to do it. Okay. Bagram could be in our hands today. Taliban would have made that deal. Okay, so when Trump
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say a couple of things, you mentioned Putin and Putin's dirty hands when it comes to Iran's nuclear technology, then isn't that another reason we should have backed Ukraine, that we should still back Ukraine, that Ukraine can win? Ukraine can humble Putin, Ukraine can.
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Ukraine can't defeat Russia.
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They can humble. They can humble Russia. And they've done it.
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They've already done that.
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In terms of Afghanistan, where I did 11 extended assignments, this was the retreat or the evacuation of Kabul in Afghanistan was shameful and totally unnecessary.
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Right, but.
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But the one thing you leave out is that Trump would have ended the war also with more dignity. That way he would not have walked away.
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Right.
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But Bagram, the air base couldn't be an island in the middle of a town.
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They could have leased it out, maybe. I disagree with that. They could. At least the Taliban at that point just wanted control of the country. If we had a satellite base in Bagram, that could have been worked out. The other thing is, and this is absolutely true, that Trump doesn't want to kill civilians. All right? He doesn't. And I talked to him extensively about this. So we have a lot of right wingers, MAGA people. Oh, yeah, let's go in and obliterate those. Bomb all their plants so they can't survive. That might be happening. Because we do have. We have reimposed the blockades on their ports. I don't know what they're eating over there, but Trump doesn't want dead Persians in the sand. He doesn't. He believes that he can wear them down, them being the mullahs, that it'll become so untenable that they'll give him the inspection rights and they'll open Hormuz, which is not hard for those people to do if they weren't up to no good, which they are. So I think that Trump is willing to play this string out a little bit further, but surely he knows that this is far more complicated than. And I don't believe the Israel stuff at all. I know what happened there. Bibi Netanyahu said we can get them all at once. They're all going to be in this garage. We didn't blow the hell out of all of them. The whole country will collapse. And Trump bought it. Now, that doesn't mean he's stupid. It made sense on paper, but it didn't happen the way they thought it might.
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Well, I, I lament that it happened. I think it was pie in the sky. If they were going to sincerely work for regime change, they should have worked with the opposition. The Iranian opposition. We hid in February, back in December, they were in the streets. Thousands of Iranian civilians, Persians, wanting freedom and a modern life. We were three months late. It wasn't about killing the generation of leadership. I mean, they did it. Yeah, but so what? Now it's another generation. Now it's the kids or the.
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Yeah, but they thought that the Iranian people, all 90 million of them, were just going to throw them out like they did the Shah. And that didn't happen. The world feels increasingly unstable between global conflicts and skyrocketing debt, smart investors are ditching the dollar for hard assets like gold. One uncertainty hits. I trust American Hartford Gold to protect my savings. They make it simple and have physical gold and silver delivered to your door or place inside a tax advantaged IRA. Their specialists can even help roll over your 401k tax free with an A Plus Better Business Bureau rating. Their record is unmatched, so don't wait. Protect your wealth with something real. Please call now. Tell them O'Reilly sent you to receive up to $20,000 in free silver with your first purchase. 866-501-5201 or text BILL to 6553-2866-5015-2021 or text BILL to 65532 or click the link in the video description. Let's shift over to the media. So you and I are two of the last men standing, right? It's amazing. You should have been fired decades ago. And I anybody who let me in their building is absolutely insane. But we're it on the old guard front, okay? You knew everybody. I know everybody. We saw them over the years. We both did syndicated madhouse shows. We've done local, we've done national, we've done everything. Nothing more that we have to do. You need a haircut. But other than that, we're. The two icons are standing or if you're watching, sitting before you. There has been, in my opinion a tremendous corruption, mostly on television, but the New York Times and other vehicles have contributed to it. Of the actual mission of the American media because of Trump hatred, would you disagree?
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I think that there is clearly contempt for President Trump to that extent. I agree. The hand wringing over, you know, cries for more equitable editing. I have no patience for it. I think Bari Weiss is probably a force for good at cbs. A lot of people at CBS I like, you know, putting aside any kind of institutional arrogance or snobbery. I think there's some great. I mean, CBS Sunday Morning is one of the most wonderful shows ever. Sixteen Minutes is a terrific show, too.
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B
Well, let me challenge that. CBS Sunday Morning will not book a non liberal author. Take it from me, I got 20 number one New York Times bestsellers. They will not put a non liberal author on their air.
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C
Okay, but you know, and I, and I understand that. I mean, I understand where you come from and why you have a good.
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I actually wrote a letter to Jane Pauly. I said, am I misunderstanding this? But we traced it back.
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C
But I don't think that the whole year. Right, but the show doesn't have to be fair and balanced. It doesn't have to. It can have.
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Some kind of fairness is necessary. Come on.
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C
But don't you agree that Fox News, for instance, was the mirror image of cbs? CBS had its or has or had its institutional bias. And you know, Fox News clearly did as well. Isn't that the way you got balance rather than trying to get cbs?
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B
But that's not the right way. The right way is to be fair on what program you're doing. So I noticed that abc, your alma mater, where you did a lot of good work that intake. Trump's speech on Thursday, I guess Naked and Afraid was on. I'm not sure why, but when you
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have, I was asked to be the dumbest American. That was one of their shows.
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B
Right. When you have the Disney Corporation basically blackballing an American president. That's serious, that goes on way past any ethical situation.
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Hold on.
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I go back to what I said about Trump. I love him. I wish I could hang out with him. I honor the fact that he remembers us from previous incarnations. We started together in New York in the 70s. We went to the fights together. He doesn't drink. And it shows how patient he is with me because I do. Just a wonderful, wonderful guy. When I lost Celebrity Apprentice, I came in second. He was so nice to my daughter. Soul was inconsolable. He didn't say you're fired to me. You know, it sounds silly now that, you know, why do I still care for him the way I do? But let me, let me argue with you about Thursday night. My notes from Thursday. If Trump's speech is more 2020 election grievance. Remember, he sent DNI Tulsi Gabbard to Georgia down to that raid to seize voting machines Quote, really, really big news and our country has to shape up, says Trump. Come on, whose toxic idea was that? Rotten $1.8 billion slush fund. CIA says no China involvement, high confidence in election. The Thursday speech with that big, big intro, was that nothing? It was, it was more.
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Let the American people decide that. I mean, when you get 25 declassified documents, you know, you cherry pick the CIA thing. What the intelligence agencies did say was clearly the Chinese government was trying to amass information and hundreds of thousands of people, for what purpose? Why were they trying to do it? And then we tie it into sing, this gangster who works with the Chinese government who's pumping hundreds of millions of dollars trying to cause trouble and fund radical organizations. I mean, Beijing does is do this for fun, all right? They're doing it for a reason. Now let the American people decide whether they don't have to watch Trump. They're going to watch anything they wanted to do. But to put yourself up as a censor because you don't like what Trump has said in the past about the election, that's not journalism, Geraldo. That's not even close to journalism. In today's uncertain economy, families need a way out of the high interest rate trap. We're heading into summer, but economic clouds are not clearing up. Between persistent inflation and daily costs, you are likely feeling the pressure. You've worked hard and your home has equity, yet you're forced to rely on credit cards. It's an exhausting cycle. But American Financing understands their salary based mortgage consultants can help with mortgage rates in the fives. Customers save an average of $800 a month by wiping out high interest debt. It's money in your pocket. No upfront fees start today. Delay two mortgage payments. Please call American Financing, 8884-6295-5788-8462, 9557. American Financing, 888.462.9557, american financing.net Bill, some of you know I do not recommend companies lightly, especially regarding the irs. I've done my homework. And America Tax Group is the real deal. Their seasoned attorneys aggressively fight for individuals and businesses nationwide. They specialize in eliminating penalties, stopping collections, resolving audits. No matter the size of your debt, your balance doesn't sit still. It grows every day. Penalties up to 25% plus daily compounding interest on everything you owe. The IRS and state tax authorities do not need court approval. They can seize your home, freeze your bank accounts, garnish your paycheck, and start taking what's yours at any moment. Every Day you wait. This gets worse, not better. So please call 888-300-8035. Call them now before they act. Use my code BILL26, and you will receive $500 off Pro Priority access to their team and a free consultation. You know Hollywood as well as I do. I mean, there's a bubble out there, that progressive bubble, and you can't get through that. If they don't like the politics, you're not going to work out there. You know that.
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You can't get through it. And you have 20. You are, as I recall, the best selling nonfiction author alive.
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B
Well, it's true, but that's.
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C
Censors that clearly have not have been very successful at silencing you. And that's.
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That's true, but that's because of.
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The country has the paranoia of that let get over it. There's something for everybody.
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I'm not getting over it. They're corrupt, I think. And the reason that I'm successful is I work my butt off. All right? And I understand how America works. I understand the folks. Okay, you understand the folks, too, but at a different level.
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C
I understand the difference is that you. Yeah.
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That 77 million people who voted for Donald Trump think that the establishment media is dishonest in this country. So I stepped up and developed a product. All right? Products, books, radio, television, whereby they can access somebody who isn't corrupt. Me.
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C
All right, you're not corrupt. I agree with you, and that's what I love about you. But let me ask you, did President Trump lose the 2020 election, yes or no?
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B
There is no evidence that he won the election. So evidence is. And you know this because you're a lawyer.
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C
Okay.
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He lost evidence that you can take it to a federal grand jury and litigate whatever the crime may be. That has not happened. That is a fact. Okay? So there is an evidence in play.
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C
There's no evidence that he won. That he won the election because he lost the election.
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B
Okay? He lost. You're entitled to that opinion.
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C
He unleashed these, this anarchy on the
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capitol of the heart of democracy that just happened. He clearly said peacefully. And if you go. He didn't want those people to go into that building. And he knew it was going to hurt him. And it did hurt.
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C
He wants people to lie about the election. Who won the election?
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I mean, not a lie. It's an opinion. There's a difference between a lie and an opinion. And you gotta understand that difference.
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No finding of the falsification that you would need.
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There is no evidence that can be presented to a federal grand jury at this point. Trump would desperately like to get that evidence, and that's why he's stair stepping.
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He lost. And the real story is his comeback, his amazing, historic comeback after this ignominious defeat when he had to flee Washington, D.C. in January of 2021, humiliated, with process servers on his tail. That's a fact. He lost. He lost. And he was in the bottom of the pit. And then he worked his way out. He clawed his way out. And slowly, slowly he goes. From the, you know, the creator of January 6th, he becomes the underdog. And he
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didn't create the riot. People believe what they want to believe, and I understand that. And my job is to provide as much insight as I can. Luckily, I have tremendous access. He's never going to knock. Trump is never going to not think that that election was rigged. So I move ahead then.
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And that's what. That's the fact that he believes it. I think that he believes it in his heart. That's why I don't hold it against him, because I believe that he's sincere in that. In that. That incorrect or false belief that. That he won the election.
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Yeah. But it's not a lie in the sense that he wakes up and goes, I'm trying to deceive everybody, and I really know the truth. I. All right, I got it. For our premium members who pay a nice sum to listen to you and me, Bloviate, we're going to continue with Geraldo in the Killing Time segment. For the rest of you on YouTube and around the world, we thank you very much for watching. We'll do it live. I hope you got something out of it. You want to reach me, it's billoriley.com billorilly.com very easy. And thank you very much for spending the time.