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Dissent Over U.S. Involvement in Iran-Israel, Miranda Devine on President Trump’s Global Strategy, ICE Faces Cash Crisis & Trump Mobile Launch
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Bill O'Reilly
Foreign here. Welcome to the no spin News for Tuesday, June 17, 2025. Stand up for your country. Well, the Iran situation continues to dominate the news cycle. And it is a very important story, as you know. And we're way ahead, as you know, if you watched yesterday and read my column. And the reason that we're way ahead on the story is that I have direct access to the people who are making decisions. It just irks me that a lot of these media outlets don't know anything. They use anonymous sources. We never do that here ever. And they're wrong. I don't read new stuff going, that's not true. So we're glad you're with us listening on radio and watching on television so we can set the record straight on this very important story. So we'll begin with the talking points memo. So there are objections to the USA getting involved with the Iran situation from both the left and the right. That's very unusual. Usually they're polarized against each other. Here you got elements on both that don't want the United States to get involved with this. I mean, and that's the isolationist movement, which, you know, is an interesting movement. We had the Libertarian party chief on yesterday. I don't think he was very strong. You know, I laid out a scenario of world disorder that would hurt every single American. He had no counter, but that's, you know, he's entitled to his opinion. Okay, so there is a congressman in Ohio, Warren Davidson, strong Republican conservative. Here's what he says. Go look. Israel, they're our friends. We wish them success and safety, and frankly, we want to know that they're secure. But the United States, it isn't our war to fight or our war to fund. Israel has historically said, you know, we've got this, and it looks like they do. Well, it is our war to fund because if we didn't fund Israel, they'd be out of business and a lot of Jews would be dead because that's what Iran wants to do, kill all the Jews. What doesn't Mr. Davidson understand about that? And then what doesn't he understand about if you have a terrorist state and that's what Iran is with a nuclear capacity, then you have disorder in the world. So it's not our fight, okay? I'm not advocating putting U. S. Troops into the fray. I would not do that. Air power will see. Okay, but not yet. But to say, look, it's not our fight. Come on, world. Disorder affects every single American. All right, now on the left we have Ro Khanna a guy like, he's a congressman from California. He says, quote, no war in Iran. It's time for every member to go on a record. Are you with the neocons who led us into Iraq, or do you stand with the American people? Well, that's ridiculous. Number one, there is a war in riyakh in Iran. Mr. Khanna might turn on your TV set and watch it. All right. And number two, it's not the neocons. It's the American people understanding that a terrorist state can't get a nuclear weapon. Trump's not a neo con. Trump doesn't want any of this. He didn't want to put troops in there. He doesn't want to use American air power. He wants Israel to break the mullahs so they surrender. Now, last night I was on Leland Vedder, now Veddert on News Nation. He's bullish. He's a hawk. He wants to go in with American air power and knock the nukes out once and for all. I'm not there. Roll the tape. But what I'm trying to tell you is that there is a prong going in from the United States, not Israel. If Israel could kill him, they'd kill him and blow the whole place up. So people ought to know that. But from the United States, we can get what we want. Regime change. Destroy the nukes without using American military. I think you may be right about that. Now, there's a clock on it. What do you got? There's also a clock on this segment, but I'm extending it because I want you to tell me what's going to happen in the next 24 hours when Trump comes back to Washington. Well, he's going to come back and they're going to evaluate what exactly the mullahs are offering through the third party. And that's exactly what happened. Okay, so then Donald Trump puts on social media that there's total disarray in Iran, which is true, and he's hoping that they'll surrender. Okay. And that we won't need to use American air power at this point. Now, why am I reticent about doing that? Because there are unintended consequences with China and Russia and other Arab nations, whenever you use your military, particularly if you're in the United States, then things are going to happen that you can't predict. So if we don't have to use our military directly, if the mullahs are going to fall apart because of the Israeli bombardments and the action against them, then you let that play out a bit. And Trump is trying to move that along by scaring the Iranians. So he says, hey, you better get out of Tehran, which is a capital, 10 million people. And you saw the videos, traffic jams all over the place. Getting out of there, the ayatollah runs the country is in hiding somewhere. Trump says, hey, we know where you are. We could take you out anytime. Trump is trying to just instill fear in the Iranian population so that they will demand a surrender and possibly overthrow the mullahs. That is the strategy today. Okay. Now, it could change tomorrow if hap. If things happen that we don't, can't anticipate. Now, Donald Trump has the authority to use air power and ground power because of Public Law 10740 may remember this. It was passed by Congress on September 14, 2001, three days after 9 11, signed by President Bush on September 18th. Okay? That power is this. Quote, the president is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed or aided terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or very important now, or harbored such organizations or persons in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons, unquote. Okay? So if a nation is harboring terrorists, which Iran certainly is, and funding and everything else, that the President of the United States can whack them, that's what this is. So I wrote a column, the Last Days of Tehran, which is on billoriley.com I do believe that it is all over for the mullahs. Now, there's one more thing here that I want to get into. So the President of France, Macron, made a mistake. He is at the G7 conference in Alberta, Canada. Trump was there and came back early because of Iran. All right, here's what Macron said. Go.
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Miranda Devine
The President spoke a few minutes ago to say that there were ongoing discussions, which is a good thing. And so if the United States of America can achieve a ceasefire, it is a very good thing, and France will support it and we wish for it.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay? But ceasefire is not the right word. Trump doesn't want a ceasefire. Trump wants a capitulation because he realizes that Iran's on the ropes and it sees fire will help them recover in some way. But Trump then lashes out at Macron saying, quote, publicity seeking. President Emmanuel Macron of France mistakenly said that I left the G7 summit in Canada to go back to D.C. to work on a ceasefire between Israel and Iran. Wrong. He has no idea of why I am now on my way to Washington, unquote. So he insults President Trump, insults Macron, unnecessarily. I don't believe Macron fought this out, he just used the word ceasefire. And the United States is going to need France, particularly in Ukraine. I don't know why the President needs to insult these people. You just say, no, he was wrong. This is what I'm going to do anyway. Summing up, nobody knows what's going to happen. It's better to give Israel a little bit more time to wear down Iran, the leadership and the nukes. And then a decision will have to be made. Obviously, this can't keep going on. And that's the memo. Joining us now from New York City is a columnist for the New York Post who writes about these kinds of things all the time. But, you know, is a new podcast, that Red Seat, which we're in business with, is promoting. It's called Podcast one, and it's going to deal with politics. And Miranda Devine has access to a lot of very interesting guests and she will be doing that podcast. We hope you check it out. So, Ms. Divine, first of all, am I making any mistakes in my Iranian analysis?
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Leland Vittert
No, I don't think so at all. And I mean, you know President Trump very well and have known him for many years, and you know that people can't pigeonhole him as either a warmonger or a dove. He's, he's sort of criticised for both things, but as he says, he just tries to apply common sense and that's what he's been doing. Now, he's been crystal clear from the beginning, throughout the campaign and previously that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay, that's all. Do you think he's making any mistakes? Should he be more aggressive? Should he be more passive on it? Is he making any mistakes in your opinion? Let's face it, the US economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401, tax and penalty free, with billions in precious metals delivered, thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998899 again, that's 866-326-5576, or text BILL to 998999.
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Miranda Devine
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Leland Vittert
I don't think so. I mean, look, he hasn't done anything overt yet. He's just threatened the Ayatollah. He said we have complete control of the skies. Obviously Israel has degraded Iran's defenses, so now is a good time to go in and just smash the nuclear facilities.
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Bill O'Reilly
That's all. But, but what if, what if Israel, what if Israel can't smash them because they don't have the bombs that we have and say the mullahs hold out and the only way to obliterate the nuke stuff is for the United States to bomb these mountainsides. We would you support that?
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Leland Vittert
That is the only way because these nuclear facilities are buried very deep down and only the US has these B2 bombers that are capable of carrying the bombs that can actually get near them. So I mean, unfortunately, America is the only country in the world with the ability to do this. And I think President Trump has been weighing this decision very, you know, with, with great care. And his message to the Ayatollah just short time ago saying surrender, unconditional surrender. We don't want the Ayatollah dead. He's safe for now. This is a clear, you know, he's.
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Bill O'Reilly
Moved, he's trying again. Right. It would be much better if they threw their hands up and then the United nations could go in in conjunction with the United States and just take.
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Leland Vittert
It'S not going to happen probably. But I mean a limited strike, what could happen and get out.
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Bill O'Reilly
What could happen is the Iranian people, the Persians will rise up and if that happens, the army will turn. And that's what Trump is really hoping for. He's not hoping for any rationality on the part of the Ayatollah. Okay. He's hoping that the Persian people will say enough. Then that's why he's saying get out of Tehran, you know, this and that. And it's possible that happens. Not probable, but possible.
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Leland Vittert
Well, we hoped for that in Iraq, and it didn't happen.
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Bill O'Reilly
Sure, we hope for it a lot of places, and it didn't happen. But I do agree with you that Trump is not going to allow this thing to go back to where it was, in a sense that it signed some kind of deal, and the deal is murky, and they still have this capacity. Trump has come to the conclusion, and I know this to be true, that they're done. And if we have to push him over the edge, we'll probably push him over the edge. But if we do that, we'll have trouble with China in particular. And that is a huge, huge story. And I know that because I was just in Beijing. China didn't care about the mullahs. They don't care about them one bit. But they don't want the United States pushing people around and using military action. So that's what Trump had. Very, very complicated situation. I also want to talk to you today about the media. You know, people may not know this who don't live in the New York area, but Miranda Devine was right in the middle of the Hunter Biden laptop thing, where the New York Post, to its credit, got the laptop printed, what was on it. And then the mainstream media, the corporate media, attacked the New York Post, saying it was all bogus, which those of us who are honest brokers of information knew was false. And I think that the corrupt media knew it was false as well, but they didn't care. But anyway, you went through a long period of time where you were fighting these people, and then they finally admitted defeat and said, yeah, yeah, the New York Post had it right, blah, blah, blah. Do you see any improvement in those people who reported dishonestly about Hunter Biden?
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Leland Vittert
No, all they do is morph. You know, they never said that the New York Post got it right. They just seamlessly moved into, oh, yes, you know, the laptop is real and oh, yes, you know, then it's used in a court of law as evidence. Oh, yes, it. But they never go back and revisit their own errors or correct them. They are so arrogant. I'm thinking particularly of the New York Times, which is all the news that's fit to print except anything that's damaging to the Democrats or might help Donald Trump. And they sort of set the agenda for all the newsrooms, not just in the United States, but around the world. And so that's the skewed perspective of America that's transmitted, and it's through the eyes of the New York Times, which has not got a grasp on reality and they haven't changed at all, but.
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Bill O'Reilly
They don't want to grasp on reality. They're in business to promote a certain lifestyle, a progressive lifestyle, and that's what they want to do. You're an interesting person to me anyway, because you worked in the media in Australia, I believe in Japan, in England and in the United States. So you have a perspective, a worldwide. My theory, and I could be wrong, of course, is that we have the most corrupt media in the free world right now, America. I mean, the BBC is pretty corrupt, but we're really bad. Now. Do you concur?
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Leland Vittert
No, not at all. I didn't actually work in Japan. I was a child. I grew up there. But look, I think that, I mean, I take Australia and England the dominated by the BBC and in Australia the other government funded equivalent state television called the abc. And they are so dominate the rest of the media that they are completely untrammeled by any semblance of the truth. And they are incredibly partisan and basically pedal propaganda. Now, they're no different, I guess, from the New York Times, the Washington Post, cnn, et cetera. But at least in the United States, there are disparate voices and those voices are getting stronger as the American people wake up to the fact that they've been lied to by those august established media organs. And they look for alternate, you know, sources of news like Bill O'Reilly's no Spin Zone, like the New York Post and our new podcasts, Joe Rogan even. I mean, there are lots.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yeah, I mean, and there's a study, there's a study out today, we're going to report on tomorrow that the alternative news agencies have now surpassed the. Which is obviously true. But you know, here's the rub on it. It isn't ideology that has sunk them, although that's a part of it. They're boring, Miranda. They're boring. Well, they are boring. They're just. Because they're all parrots. They get their little at a K Street every morning. They get their little talking points. Their editors just gut them. Okay, you say this, you say that, and if you don't want to say it, you're not working for us. And so these people go on there and they're like zombies. You don't learn anything. They're not, they're not seeking the truth. They couldn't care less. What they want to do is keep their own jobs and on television. I made my name by having robust debate on the Fox News Channel. Now all of them just bring in people who agree with everybody. Tell me more. You know, it's like we don't have fire anymore and people are going. So I think that that's why, because the social media is so much more lively and gets to your pod Force One. So you're going into a sea of podcasts. This is not a podcast, this is a broadcast here. But you're going to a sea of it. Last question. How are you going to make it different?
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Leland Vittert
Look, I guess just the relationships that I've built up with the cabinet members and President Trump, I guess they trust me and I'm hoping to ask them questions that are obviously of the news of the day. But, you know, in my normal interviews with people, I'm looking for, you know, a front page story, exclusive, something on whatever is the hot topic. But this is a bit more relaxed. You have more time. I had 45 minutes with the president and I just had an over an hour with Treasury Secretary Scott Besant. And, you know, it's just probing, I guess. What motivates them, what their desires are, what their background is, what drives them. They're all incredibly, you know, they didn't get to these positions of power without being driven and unique. People with a perspective on success and an ability to get success. That means that they have a lot of lessons for the rest of us. And look, also many of them have, you know, personal lives that are not chaotic, that are pretty stable. And how did they manage to do that? I'm interested in, in that when, you know, these powerful men and women, what drives them behind the scenes as well.
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Bill O'Reilly
All right, so part four is one is the new podcast where anyway, if you get anything good, I mean, not good, but big, let us know, we'll throw you right on. We appreciate it. Good luck with it. Thank you.
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Leland Vittert
Thanks so much, bill.
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Bill O'Reilly
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Bill O'Reilly
Available at pockethost.com Terms for price for a gallon of gas is $3.16. Cheapest Mississippi, Tennessee, Oklahoma, most expensive California, Hawaii and Washington. They slap onerous taxation. This is an interesting story. So some of these far left people hate ICE and Homeland Security saying oh, they're spending too much money, they're going to run out of money. And it's true that ice is $1 billion over budget. Why? Because they're tossing people out like crazy and it costs money to do that. But the left is criticizing ice. Who do you think is at fault here? Might it be Joe Biden who let 14 million people in so that and you know about a million and a half of them are dangerous criminals. Have to get them out. Maybe a you liberal people might be Biden, okay? But ICE is going to have to get more money and Dems are not going to want to do that. The Democratic Party in general continues to lose its collective mind over Donald Trump. One of the worst is Congressman Stephen lynch of Massachusetts. This guy is really off the chart. He's way worse Than Ocasio Cortez. Roll the tape. Trump is a wannabe gangster and he's showing the world what he's about. And I'm proud. You know, my dad served in the in Second World War. He fought the Nazis in Northern Africa. He fought the Nazis on the Italian peninsula. And I think he's looking down right now and he's happy that I'm fighting today's Nazis. He's proud of that. All right, I'm not going to comment on that. I'm going to tell you that this man is about as radical left as you can get. Then you people in Massachusetts should know that he's an open border guy and he wants trans men to compete against women in sports and enter their locker rooms. That's how this guy is. Stephen Lynch, Trump Organization. It's a great story. Are selling phones, mobile phones, I swear to kids. Okay, so like 500 bucks phone. Other things that the Trump Organization sells are crypto, the Lee Greenwood Bible, guitars, watches, sneakers, fragrances, golf stuff, and Save America coffee table books. So this is all being sold now. Stephen A. Smith, I was on his podcast worth watching, by the way. It just dropped yesterday, so you should check it out. But he was a little appalled at all this commercialism. Roll it. Over the course of his presidency, President Trump released cryptocurrency gold sneakers and watches. And now he's reportedly releasing the T1.
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Miranda Devine
Trump smartphone with an unlimited plan price.
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Bill O'Reilly
At 47.45 per month via AT&T Verizon and T Mobile in August that's being built in the United States. First of all, Bill O'Reilly, I mean, what do you think about this? And secondly, are you getting one of these phones or do you have a problem with the president monetizing the office? Yeah, I'm getting three of these phones, giving one to you for Christmas, one to Cuomo for. And look, do I approve of this? No. Do I understand what's going on? Yes. So Trump doesn't have anything to do with the Trump Organization run by his two sons, Don Jr. And Eric. They are exploiting the hell out of their father's success for monetary gain. Now, all presidents do it to a certain extent. The Biden family did it with subterfuge. Remember that? We didn't know what was going on. And foreign countries are involved. Now, I'm not doing the bad behavior pointing to other bad behavior. I'm trying to provide historical context. Fascinating story. So all presidents, except in the modern era, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, have exploited their position for monetary gain. Carter didn't do it. That I could see. All right? And Reagan had dementia when he left office, so there wasn't any industry attached to him. Barack Obama charges up to $350,000 for a speech. Michelle Obama makes a millions and millions of dollars marketing everything he wants. Okay, Gerald Ford, remember Gerald Ford? He was a very modest guy from Grand Rapids, Michigan. He wound up living in Vail, Colorado and Palm Springs in lavish places because he was on the board of directors on all his corporations and on and on and on and on. So it's almost like if you're going to criticize Trump and again, he doesn't get the money, his sons do. They run a company. Then you have to go back and you have to trace the arc of every president benefiting financially from the office. Pretty much everyone did. Abraham Lincoln didn't because he was gunned down before he, you know, just in the beginning of the second term. But if you look at them, oh boy, it's quite an interesting thing. Smart life. So we have a concierge member on billoriley.com who wrote to me and owes $42,000 and he's trying to get the debt under control. He's associated with a group called Mohela M O H E L A. This is the Missouri Higher Education Loan Authority. So he borrowed the money for his education. He owes 42k. He cannot get anybody at Mohela to help him. Now Mohela is a quasi Missouri run place. We are helping this man. We'll get him at least an interview with a very high ranking. But he can't do it himself. Be impossible for him to do it. I have to do it. I can do it and I will do it. Because he's a concierge member to billow riley.com that's what we do. But the smart live play is if you are going to do business with a Internet based operation, which is what Mahala is, it's on the Internet, you're going to get host because there's nowhere to go. It's not like you walk into Home Depot and you got a flawed product from that you can go right back to Home Depot.
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Miranda Devine
What is dedication?
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Bill O'Reilly
The thing that drives me every day as a dad is Dariona. We call him day date for short. Every day he's hungry for something, whether it's attention, affection, knowledge. And there's this huge responsibility in making sure that when he's no longer under my wing that he's a good person. I want him to be able to sit back One day and go. We worked together. We did a good job.
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Miranda Devine
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Bill O'Reilly
The Internet is nowhere for you to go. And I continue to say do not do business on the net. I mean, I can't tell you how many letters I get. Smart life. I'm going to do the happiness trust thing. This is a signal my producers tomorrow. I don't have time for it. Today, this day in history, June 17, 1994, A.J. simpson formally charged with murdering his ex wife Nicole Brown and her friend Ronald Goleman 31 years ago. Today, Simpson eight month trial. I covered the trial, not all of it, but a substantial amount of it. As you know, he was acquitted of murder. He did it. He did it, all right? He murdered Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman. He was found guilty in a civil court and ordered to pay $33 million, which he never paid because he fled to Florida, which has laws that shelter, all right, your home and your pension. So he didn't have any money left because he had to pay his lawyers to get them off. Okay, but he had a pension from the NFL and he had a home and you couldn't touch it in the state of Florida. Okay, so the worthiness of this history is what happened to Simpson afterward. He had a horrible life. He was a pariah because everybody knew that he was guilty. And the only reason he got off is that the jury in Los Angeles, primarily African American, didn't want to commit another convict, another African American. That's it. Okay, so then he's arrested in Las Vegas, charged with armed robbery. He serves nine years in his state penitentiary in Nevada. Okay, now that was a murky situation, but it was payback. The judge. And if Simpson had done in New York State what he was convicted of in Nevada, they would have let him walk. They wouldn't even charge them. That's how liberal New York State criminal justice is. But he got nine years in Nevada because it was payback. So then he gets out and he sits there. He sits there and he dies April 10, 2024, of prostate cancer. Karma is real. Never forget that. Final thought on how to get attention in a moment. All right, here's the final thought of the day. I'm sure you've heard about the Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, back and forth and on Israel and Iran and isolationism and on and on and on and on. So I know both guys and I would never get in the middle of something like this because they're both entitled to you, their opinions, and they're both articulate guys. They make their case and then you, if you're interested, you decide who's got the stronger case. Right. But in this case, there's some invective. Word of the day, invective, I n, v e c T I v e, going back and forth. All right, so people have different styles. And I'm not. I used to do a lot more of that than I do now. And I, because my job now is different. I'm a historian, kind of elder statesman type person. And I don't need to do that. Everybody knows me in the world. I don't need to be any better known. I don't need any more attention. And when you start to attack somebody personally, you get attention, but it's kind of unsavory in a way. And I'm not putting this on any human being here. I'm just talking in general. So as I mentioned to Miranda Devine, we live in a sea of podcasts now. There's just thousands and thousands. In order to break out and get attention, the easiest way is to personally attack people. And for some reason, I mean, I hesitate on that one. Again, I think I've been guilty of it in the past myself. I always framed it around an issue. For example, George Clooney not helping out the 911 charities. He's just Barney Frank lying to you directly. I just couldn't abide it. But I try to stay away from that, all right, Even on the View. I mean, I have no use for Joy Behar, but I'm not gonna attack her personally, even though she's attacked me time and time again. I actually like Whoopi Goldberg. Says a person. But if you want attention in the podcast, social media world, the easiest way to get it is to go rip somebody up and that translates into temporary ratings or temporary attention. You rise people, check it out. Everybody likes a good brawl, particularly in America. Okay? And so you get help done that. But I just want to explain to you why we don't do that. All right? Because we now are in a position where I got the best information coming in here of any journalist in the country by far and you know it. You know it. All right. I'm ahead and I can tell you what is likely to happen on a variety of subjects. I don't need to get attention by ripping somebody else up. Some things make me angry and I will tell you what they are and if I have to go after somebody who's hurting you directly hurting you, I will. But as an attention getter, no. Thank you very much for watching and listening to the no spin news. We'll see you again tomorrow.