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Here reporting tonight from Washington, D.C. it is Thursday, Dec. 4, 2015. Stand up for your country. So let's get right to my trip to the White House last night, the first of the Christmas parties. They do call it Christmas at the Trump White House. And it was magnificent. I have to tell you. And I said this to the President. I've never seen a White House in better shape. There's construction going on, but you don't see it when you go into that magnificent structure. And the decorations are always lights out. But you know, what Donald Trump has done in that White House is he's made it into a symbol of grandeur. And there's a psychological reason why he wants heads of state, powerful people all over the world to come there, to be very impressed with the United States. And, boy, I'll tell you, I've been going to the White House for 25 years. Boy, I must have been here, oh, I don't know, 50, 60 times, and every time's a privilege. And I said that to you yesterday. I don't take this for granted. I'm the luckiest guy in the world. I came from very little, as you know, Levittown, Long island, shoveling snow and doing what all kids do. And now I'm going to the White House, talking to the President. It's really only in America, and that's not a cliche. It could not happen anywhere else in the world. So I spent 40 minutes 4. 0 with the President of the Oval Office, and we did talk about some things that I can tell you. I don't want to violate any confidence, but I'll give you an overarch. And these are the things I was concerned about. And I would say, what about. What about? What about not my job to grill the President. This is a social situation. And he was very gracious because, you know, I'm me and a lot of people don't want to hang with me. Spent 40 minutes of his time. So there's a big problem with Putin. Putin now is reveling in the Ukraine corruption story. As you may know, three of Zelensky's top advisors have been implicated in stealing millions, probably tens of millions of dollars. And that weakens Zelensky, there's no doubt about it. And Putin's just watching this. And the President is still hopeful that he's going to get some kind of ceasefire before Christmas. I don't know. Boy, that lad is on the COVID of Confronting Evil. I put him there for a reason. He is the most evil person on the face of the earth right now, in my opinion. I don't know if he's going to give an inch because he sees Zelensky and Ukraine getting weaker. And the President knows that now. Also, there was a lot of controversy, and I was curious myself about this Honduran president who was incarcerated in the USA for a massive amount of drug smuggling, cocaine out of Honduras while he was in office. And.
I didn't want to confront, obviously, the social situation, Mr. Trump about it, but there were other people there and I got what happened. So the man's name is Juan Orlando Hernandez. And this is important because the Trump administration is attacking drug cartels with U.S. military. So Hernandez gets convicted by a U.S. jury. He did it. He's corrupt. But there is an election in Honduras and it's going on right now, and it's ill defined. And it seems to me, based upon the information I've accumulated, that Trump administration wants the traditional candidate to win, who is tied to Hernandez's party. Not politics. The other guy is a communist. Now, if you look at a map of Central America and we will put up so you can see almost every country there is friendly to the USA now, okay? With the exception of Nicaragua, which is a communist country. And the Trump doctrine is to have every country in the Western hemisphere allied with us. So that is why this guy Hernandez got a big break. It's politics. Now. Do I object to that?
Not really. I understand the big picture here. And I did at one point say to President Trump, you know, this guy owes you. He's got to help the USA for what you did. I can't follow this. Nobody can. But I wanted to because it is a subject of nonsensical American television coverage, provides some perspective.
Okay? So we were there. And.
When I go to those gatherings, I'm polite. Anybody wants a picture, that's fine. But I'm trying to stay in the background. And I saw a lot of people that I know and these parties, there's a series of them up until, I think, December 20th, maybe December 15th, because the president's going down in Florida for two weeks.
They're to reward donors and to, you know, people who are in the Trump administration, bring their families, and it's really some experience. We have pictures posted on billoriley.com I'm not doing this for any vanity whatsoever. I mean, I've known Donald Trump 35 years, okay? And as you know, if you follow me, I support, I would say, most of his policies because I believe they're the best policies for the United States as Every one of you know, because I'm very candid about it. I wrote the book Confronting the Presidents. Joe Biden's the second worst president ever and he never invited me to the White House. He wouldn't invite me to Maryland. And I don't blame him. If I were President Biden, I would invite me. I was hammering him, okay? I was invited by Bush the Younger, by Barack Obama. I had extensive conversations with both men in this White House. Same thing with President Trump, okay? But Biden, I perfectly understood. I'm a hammer in the guy because I believe that his policies were really, really hurtful to the United States of America. Trump has reversed that. Now, is he perfect? No. Does he like some of my coverage? No. And he lets me know it when he doesn't like it. But that's not my concern.
My concern is to tell you what I know to be facts and then let the chips fall. My job is to inform the you not to be any kind of an ally to any politician anywhere. Now, if a President of the United States asks my advice or your advice, or you give it to him or her as a patriot. And again, I'm up front. I think that Donald Trump has worked harder than any president with maybe the exception of Lincoln. Lincoln really had it rough when he walked in. Buchanan was the only president worse than Biden. Let's face it, the US economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered. Thousands of 5 star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text BILL to 998999. What do you think makes the perfect snack? Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient. Could you be more specific when it's cravenient?
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Okay.
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Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at am, pm or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at am, pm. I'm seeing a pattern here. Well, yeah, we're talking about what I crave, which is anything from am, pm.
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What more could you want?
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Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience. Am, pm too much good stuff. And. And when it came out, the mess and the war was about to start. So Lincoln didn't get any sleep. Trump looked a little tired. I have to say last night he didn't get much sleep. But he works. Unbelievable. And most of his policies, I understand them. I want the drug cartels to be blown out of the Caribbean Sea. I want a very robust foreign policy.
To protect us. I supported the bombing of the Iran nuclear facility. So when Donald Trump does it, I look at the policy and what he's doing. Is it best for the country? Not best for the Republican Party, not best for the conservative ideology or traditional or any of that. Is it best for the country? And I've been doing this 50 years.
Okay? And that has always been my philosophy. So wrapping it up here next year. And I have to have other conversations with President Trump about his vision for 2026. Going to be rough on him, as I've reported. Last chance for the left and the Trump haters to take him out next year. The last chance you're going to hear every week there's going to be something.
But I want to hear what his vision is and I hope, hopefully we'll get that done the next couple of weeks. And that's a memo. Now a quick update before we get to our special guest tonight, Reverend Franklin Graham. I have a lot to talk with him about, including President Trump. All right, so Portland, Oregon is Loonsville. And I have a deep affection for the town because I worked there as a local anchor at KATU Television. It was an ABC affiliate at the time. And Portland's a beautiful town, but it's nuts. So every year they have a Christmas tree lighting display in Pioneer Square. Okay, great event. But now they took the word Christmas out of it. So it's a tree lighting, okay? You simpletons. There wouldn't be any tree if it wasn't Christmas. You get that? Morons. Okay, not only that, but they invite a pro Palestinian zealot to speak at the tree lighting. Roll it. You know, there's a full blown genocide happening live streaming in 4K. You know, I feel like this is the perfect time to bring this up. You know, there's a lot of genocides going on in Sudan, Congo, Yemen, Lebanon, you know, Haiti, all the oppressed people around the globe.
Yeah, perfect time to bring it up. The Christmas tree lighting.
And you know, it's like, okay, how crazy do you want to be? Very few people object because if you object, you are ostracized in Multnomah County. That's where Portland is. But one guy did, guy's name is David Medina. Here's what he put on X go. It's okay to say Christmas, but you guys don't want to say Christmas because it's for Christians. Right. But if it was a Muslim thing, you guys wouldn't have any problem saying it. But Portland, this is the Christmas tree, the Portland Christmas tree. Let's, let's take back Christmas. Let's not let them take Christmas from us.
Okay? So there is a war on Christmas this year, not the one that we fought and won a decade ago when I was doing the O'Reilly Factor. But now the Christian left is attacking people who want immigration law enforced. And I read this, this is a repeat here. I'm not going to do a lot of it. But this is from a guy preacher in Kansas City, John Pavlovitz. Quote, the brutal Yuletide assaults haven't come from atheists or agnostics this year, not from humanists or Muslims, not from the coffee franchises of the liberal media or progressive Christians or the mythical woke mob. The very white conservatives who have been loudly sounding the alarm are the incessantly advancing whores. The alarm, of course, about illegal immigration. So I want to talk to Reverend Franklin Graham. You know, I'm the son of perhaps most famous evangelical minister ever, Billy Graham. And Franklin Graham runs a charity, a billion dollar charity called Samaritan's Purse. And all over the world, they protect Christians and try to do the right thing in advancing peace across the globe. So Franklin Graham joins us now from Boone, North Carolina. Pleasure to have you here, Franklin. We I know you're friends with President Trump and I told him you're going to be on today and he was happy to hear it. We'll get to that in a moment. But I'm sure you're aware that Christianity, like every other faith, has got conservatives, it's got liberals, and now the liberal wing, and some people include Pope Leo in that are criticizing and saying, oh, you're wrecking Christmas because you support ice rays and things like that. How do you process those accusations?
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Well.
I don't try to process them. It's just there. The point is, I believe what the president is doing is right. We have a right to get people out of this country that are coming here to do us harm. And if they walked across the border illegally, they should be asked to go back or sent back and let them come in legally, let them get in line like everybody else. But I just stand behind the President 100%. Again, I don't agree with everything he says, but his policies, you better believe it. His policies are designed to protect you and me and every other American. So when it comes to the liberal churches in this country, they got off track a long time ago, long before this. They quit.
They support things like abortion, they support.
Same sex marriage and so forth. And they can do that. But that's not where I stand. That's where I think most of the American churches don't necessarily agree. They believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. That's what the Bible teaches and that's what I believe. That's what I stand for in immigration. We're all immigrants and I support immigration. But to walk across the border and do this illegally, or however you come into the country illegally, any other country in the world, they'll put you in prison. You can't do this in Mexico, they'll lock you up. You can't do this in Canada. You can't do it in any country of the world. But in the United States, they want open borders. And that's wrong. We need, we need to follow the laws. And these churches are supporting a system that doesn't support the law. They want people to break the law. So, you know, I just say, well, good for them. But that's not what I stand for. That's not what I believe in. And I want people to know. The churches ought to be about telling people how they can be saved from their sins, how they can be forgiven, how they can have a relationship with God through faith in his son, Jesus Christ. This is the job of the church and all these other policies, that's the responsibility of the United States government. From the president.
Why are they doing that?
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Bleeds over, right? So you were familiar. A couple of weeks ago, the Roman Catholic bishops met and they came out with a statement saying, look.
You have to be humane. So some of these ICE raids, they go over, they brutalize people. This is the accusation. And Jesus wouldn't be asking for a passport or papers. If there was somebody poor that needed help, Jesus would help that person. I believe that too. I give money to help migrants. And I'm not demanding that the charities that do that check their immigration status. If somebody needs help. I think as Christians, we need to help that person. But that doesn't mean we allow an open border and we allow lawlessness in the immigration area. I think that there has to be common sense across the board. But when you hear a Pope Leo, I'd love to see a debate between you and Pope Leo on the immigration matter. I think that Christians all over the world, you know what kind of rating that would get.
Because there are two points of view in the Christian world on this, correct?
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Well there may be more than that. But again we need to follow the law and I believe in the law. And so it's just an issue whether you're going to support the policies of the president and trying to defend the this nation and follow the laws of this nation or are you going to encourage people to break the law. I want to stand on what's right and that's the law. Now the immigrants, people that are poor, that are in this country and I don't blame people taking advantage of the fence not being there or the wall not being there and wanting to slip into America however they can get here to find a better way for their families and just try to have a better life. I understand that, but they still should leave and come back legally. Now there are other people that came in who are here for a purpose and I believe they were sent in by other countries to do us harm.
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And yeah, and I mean Jesus was.
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All began to protect us.
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Jesus was clear on render to Caesar. So Samaritan's Pers, you're all over the world trying to protect Christians. And President Trump raised the issue of Nigeria not protecting Christians because Nigeria is a chaotic country. Their armed forces are not up to speed and they have a Muslim component that's running around killing Christians.
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Yeah.
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No, I'm not involved in that situation. But we do work in Nigeria and we've got people in Nigeria and we've done a lot of work among the Muslim community as well as the Christian community. When we work in a country, we don't differentiate between the Christians and non Christians. We just help everybody. And so Nigeria is a country that has a lot of need. But I appreciate the fact that the president is standing up to that government. And I believe the president is a Muslim and his wife is a Christian. But he's made it clear if you're going to allow this to continue, we'll be in there and we'll protect the Christians. So my hat go off to President Trump. Thank you for standing up for Christians. No other president has ever done that, Bill. No one. He's the only president in my lifetime that has taken a stand to protect Christians. So I'd say God bless him.
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Okay, now Christians are under fire, pardon upon in Muslim countries mostly. And Putin, China. I mean, I don't want anything to do with Christians, but they don't. They're not as blatant about it, but they're pretty brutal. In China, Putin calls himself a Russian Orthodox, but my God, the guy's a mass killer.
When you go, do you speak to these people in a Muslim world and say, hey, you got to protect like Turkey. Turkey used to have a vibrant Christian community. Now it's less than 1% in that huge country of Turkey is Christian because they've been battered for decades. Do you get involved with the foreign leaders and say, come on, knock it off?
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I do. And I had the ambassador from Iraq in my office this past week, and one of the concerns he had was that Christians were leaving Iraq. They had a large Christian community and it's dwindling. They're leaving. Okay. And I said, Mr. Ambassador, I said, you need to change the education system, make it a secular system. Right now it's a children go. You get Muslim indoctrination, Islamic indoctrination. And a Christian family does not want their children to come under that. Change it and make it a secular if you want Christians to stay. So I do speak up and I do speak out. And when we work in these Muslim countries where we know that we are at risk I always make it clear to the leadership. I was in the Sudan. I met with the President of Sudan, or he's the general, just a few months ago, and it was very clear, this is who we are. This is what we believe. This is what we stand for. And if you want our help, we're glad to come help you. But you have to understand who we are. We don't want to hide the fact that we're evangelical Christians. We want everyone that we help to know that God loves them and that God cares for them and he sent his son from heaven to this earth for their sins. We want the whole world to know that. And I find when I'm up front with the Muslim leadership, they appreciate that and they allow us to come in and work. So we have not had any problems in places like Sudan. We've been to Sudan for over 35 years, and it's a very difficult place to work and. But we're there, so. Bill, the world is a mess. No question about it. But the only one who could put this back together is God himself. And I believe the only way that can happen is when we put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to save us. He didn't come to condemn us. We were celebrating Christmas. You had the Christmas tree lighting where the Palestinian athletes were speaking out. Okay, that's fine. But Jesus Christ came to save us, not to condemn us. And I want the world to know that Christmas is about God giving the first gift. His son, Jesus Christ. And he came for the purpose of taking our sins.
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Yeah, I agree. I'll fight the secular war. Reverend, you don't have to do that. You just keep doing a good work you're doing all over the world. How can people get the Samaritan's purse?
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Well, go to our website, Samaritan's Purse.org. we always need help. And you see behind me is that DC8 airplane. We have 32 airplanes. This one is going to go to Liberty University this next week, and they're going to use that in their School of aviation, not to fly it, but to work on it. But it's DC8 and it's come to the end of its life, so it's going to spend the rest of its days parked at Lynchburg Airport.
A
All right, Reverend, you have a nice Christmas, really appreciate it. If we can have a beer of service, you let us know, okay?
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Thank you. Okay.
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All right. So the attack on the drug boats.
This story. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. It's a serious story, but it's gone so out of control. So the heads of the House and Senate military committees asked for Admiral Frank Bradley, they call him Mitch, to come in and testify today, which he did. And.
They wanted to know, okay, did Hegseth, the Secretary of War order you, Admiral, to kill two suspected drug smugglers who were involved in a droning of their high speed boat? And there has not been at air time any public statement, but this is what we have learned because we're reporters here. So the Admiral told the committee members, both senators and congressmen and women, that these were heavily armed drug smugglers in high speed boats. And there was no kill order. It was just, boom, we're going to blow the boat up. And then when they saw that the mission wasn't completed, they launched another strike. And that killed the two that weren't killed initially. That's what his testimony was. There was no grand conspiracy, war crime or anything. Now my job is to report to you what was said. We'll get more and I'll report more. But that is initially what the deal is. There is a move in Congress led by Senator Rand Paul, a Republican, along with Senators Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff and Tim Kaine, Democrats to pass a war powers resolution that were forbid the Trump White House from taking action against the drug cartels unless Congress. Okay, hate it. That's impossible. It's not going to ever happen. Because if you have to move against terror organizations, you got to move when you can. You can't be going to the Hill and say, can I do this? So it's not going to, it's not going to get anywhere. But these senators object to it. Okay. And you should know they're going to try, but they'll fail. But here is even worse on television news, you got a bunch of far left progressives who are trying to make excuses for the drug cartels. Roll it. Why are we blowing out of the water and killing people in boats with outboard motors, some of which aren't even pointed towards the United States, let alone verified to have drugs on them. People on a boat in the middle of the Caribbean carrying cocaine are not a direct threat to the lives of our service members or Americans. Here's the thing. There's no way they know who is on these boats. They could just be fishermen.
Just be fishermen. Jim.
I'm not sure since the average boat cost of these drug transhipment vessels, about 250,000.
You think they're regular fishermen? Jim and Maddow, who I don't really like to criticize because what's the point? Hey, it's Sean Spicer reminding you to tune in to the Sean Spicer show every weeknight right here. You're not going to want to miss our analysis. Whether it's the media, politics, campaigns, the upcoming midterms, Supreme Court rulings. We've got it all covered for you with the best guests in politics, the pundits, the pollsters, members of the House of Representatives, members of the Senate, candidates running for both, and key members of President Trump's administration. You're not going to want to miss it. What's the point? There's no point. Whatever Trump goes, she's not going to like it. She says boats with outboard motors. No, these are high speed boats, go 90 miles an hour. This just shows you people don't know anything. All right? Not even pointed to the United States. Well, how would you know that? You have a GPS on this Mississippi now. Not even pointed. So I guess the boat has to be pointed before the action can take. It's just so absurd. Okay. And not verified to have drugs on them.
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How?
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How would you know that? How in God's name would you know that? This is all classified information U.S. intel gets about the cartel smuggling routes. How would Rachel Maddow know? It wasn't verified. My God, it's so stupid. It's stunning. And there they are watching. That's right. It's not even pointed. They could just be fishermen.
God. And this is what passes for network commentary these days.
All right, I was going to get into another lawyer who's trying to sue the government. I'm not even going to bother. It's not going anywhere. As we went over last night. And I'll tell you where to see it, because we had a very good debate last night with a former JAG colonel in the army about this. And you got to watch it. It's very important. But I'll get that later. So here in Washington, Muriel Bowser, the very left wing mayor, is in running.
A woman named Janice George, 37 years old, Councilwoman Ward 4 in the district. She wants to be next mayor. She is a democratic socialist. She's like Mandani. She could be Mandani's sister in political philosophy. She broke a record for fundraising. And this is in DC Money. This is Soro's out of state. It's not a state, but out of the district money. They want to elect these democratic socialists everywhere in a country. Now, I walked around Georgetown this morning. Beautiful neighborhood. I love it. Colonial. You know, if you've been to D.C. gotta walk around Georgia. But all of these posts are very liberal. All right, they're all socialists down there. Yet you want to buy into Georgetown, you got to have two, $3 million. So these $4 million $5 million houses, get the big socialist sign out.
Oh, my God. Media madness. Americans following the news less closely than I used to. Pew research, good outfit. 5,000Americans, 36% say they follow the news most of the time. I think that's about right. 36% and.
66%. 64%. They don't follow it very much now. That's shrinking. It used to be 51% in the year 2016. Ten years ago, 51%, most of the American public said, yeah, we follow news every day down to 36. Why? Because the news industry is corrupt. You can't trust it. Thank God we're independence. Right? So that's an interesting survey. Final thought, three weeks till Christmas. In a moment. Final thought. Christmas is in three weeks from today. First week. Okay, this is what we got to do. You got to start this weekend. Gotta go shopping. Golo. Riley.com. you don't have to leave your house. Okay. But you got to kind of line it up. So you get a paper, you write down a person's name, and you write down what you think they would like. And you go and you get it. Do it now so they don't run out trying to get a jacket for somebody and they're already out. So you got to move it. The second one is cards and greetings. Now, a lot of people do the texting and the email now.
I don't know, I like to send a card. You got to get those out next week. And the third is social schedule. Who you want to visit, who's visiting. You got to write it down, put it on that calendar. All of that this weekend. Big weekend. If you want your Christmas to be calm and bright. Okay. Thank you very much for watching and listening to the no spin from D.C. we'll have a brand new Sunday column and we'll see you again on Monday.
Episode: Franklin Graham on the Christian Left vs. President Trump and Immigration, Drug Boat Strikes Update, & Bill Visits the White House
Date: December 5, 2025
Host: Bill O’Reilly
Special Guest: Reverend Franklin Graham
In this episode, Bill O’Reilly broadcasts from Washington, D.C., recapping his recent visit to a Trump White House Christmas party and sharing insights from a 40-minute discussion with President Trump. The episode then pivots to current events such as alleged corruption in Ukraine, drug cartel actions in Central America, and controversy over public Christmas celebrations. The centerpiece is a wide-ranging interview with Reverend Franklin Graham examining the Christian left, immigration, the role of the church, and the global persecution of Christians. The show closes with updates on military action against drug dealers and commentary on politics and media.
[00:14 – 07:10]
“I’ve never seen a White House in better shape…what Donald Trump has done…he’s made it into a symbol of grandeur. And there’s a psychological reason why he wants heads of state, powerful people…to be very impressed with the United States.” (00:34)
“Putin now is reveling in the Ukraine corruption story…Putin’s just watching this. And the President is still hopeful he’s going to get some kind of ceasefire before Christmas.” (01:41)
“It’s politics. Now. Do I object to that? Not really. I understand the big picture here.” (04:42)
[10:58 – 14:59]
“There wouldn’t be any tree if it wasn’t Christmas. You get that? Morons.” (11:32)
[14:59 – 25:26]
“They can do that. But that’s not where I stand…most of the American churches…believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. That’s what the Bible teaches and that’s what I believe.” (15:51)
“I want to stand on what’s right and that’s the law.” (18:19)
“My hat go off to President Trump. Thank you for standing up for Christians. No other president has ever done that, Bill. No one.” (21:10)
“When we work in a country, we don’t differentiate…we help everybody…we want everyone that we help to know that God loves them.” (22:34)
“The world is a mess. No question…But the only one who could put this back together is God himself.” (24:00) “Christmas is about God giving the first gift. His son, Jesus Christ…He came for the purpose of taking our sins.” (24:23)
[25:30 – 30:54]
“If you have to move against terror organizations, you gotta move when you can. You can’t be going to the Hill and say, can I do this?”
“Just be fishermen. Jim…You think they’re regular fishermen?” (28:37) “How in God’s name would you know that? This is all classified information U.S. intel gets about the cartel smuggling routes. How would Rachel Maddow know?” (30:11)
[31:27 – 32:52]
“Because the news industry is corrupt. You can’t trust it. Thank God we’re independence, right?” (32:52)
[32:52 – End]
For a deeper dive into Franklin Graham’s work, visit samaritanspurse.org. For further commentary and analysis, see Bill O’Reilly’s column at BillOReilly.com.