Highlights from O'Reilly's No Spin News - December 11, 2025

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Podcast: Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis
Episode: Highlights from O'Reilly's No Spin News - December 11, 2025
Date: December 12, 2025
Host: Bill O’Reilly
Guests: Richard Painter (Law Professor, Univ. of Minnesota), Dr. Celeste Wallander (Univ. of Pennsylvania, Former Assistant Sec. of Defense), John Solomon (Just the News Editor-in-Chief)

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Bill O’Reilly tackles the ongoing theme of political and social unrest in America, focusing on the fallout from a massive welfare fraud scheme in Minnesota, the politicization of immigration, U.S. national security and transatlantic alliances, and the political implications of border policy. O’Reilly is joined by Richard Painter and Dr. Celeste Wallander for in-depth discussions and invites John Solomon to analyze U.S. border politics. Throughout, O’Reilly maintains his signature direct, critical tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. American Turbulence and the "No Spin" Mission (00:12–01:25)

• O’Reilly opens with commentary on a national mood defined by “high prices, hateful politics, collapsing traditional media,” warning of increased intensity in 2026 due to midterm elections.
• Quote: “America, I think it's fair to say, remains a bit unsettled.” — Bill O’Reilly [00:12]
• Emphasizes No Spin News’s focus on fact-based reporting as opposed to corporate media’s agenda:
  “That separates us from the corrupt corporate media, which is in it for the money. We're not in it for the money.” — Bill O’Reilly [00:56]

2. The Minnesota Taxpayer Fraud Scandal (01:30–07:11)

• Overview:
  O’Reilly’s “Talking Points Memo” centers on a $1 billion welfare fraud scandal in Minnesota, with the Somali community (predominantly in Minneapolis–St. Paul) largely implicated.
• Data: 87 people charged (79 Somali), 61 convictions; allegedly enabled by unregulated COVID aid (“trillions of dollars flowed into communities ... They were unregulated. The money was not watched by feds or state. That's on Biden's watch.” — Bill O’Reilly [02:45]).
• O’Reilly critiques Minnesota Democratic leadership (Gov. Tim Walz, Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan, and AG) for lax oversight, and points to the outsized welfare spending:
  “$46,000 per welfare recipient in Minnesota ... not Social Security or Medicare ... giving people stuff. And they're proud of it.” — Bill O'Reilly [05:48]
• Discusses the media’s role: The scam was exposed not by law enforcement but by conservative journalists.

3. Somali Community and Charges of Racism (07:12–08:53)

• Presents the backlash against criticism of the Somali community, sharing a quote from Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan defending Somali Minnesotans and denouncing Trump’s rhetoric.
• Listener's perspective: O’Reilly pushes back, arguing the real problem is government enabling fraud and a lack of response from state leadership.

4. Interview: Richard Painter on Political Responsibility (08:54–17:46)

• Accountability:
  Painter, law professor and former Bush ethics lawyer, attributes responsibility to “incompetent” state leadership, not the Somali community generally:
  “We have an incompetent governor, Tim Walsh, and an incompetent Lieutenant Governor, Peggy Flanagan. They're responsible.” — Richard Painter [08:54]
• He notes other states like Massachusetts spend heavily on welfare but manage fraud far better.
• Re-election Question: Painter suggests Walz is politically savvy, prioritizing alliances over competence:
  “He's smart enough to do what's politically good for him, to get himself reelected, which is to have friends ... including the Somali community, who have influence.” — Richard Painter [10:28]
• Republican Weakness: Minnesota's Republican Party is no longer competitive statewide, limiting alternatives for voters.
• O’Reilly criticizes absence of Somali community condemnation and Rep. Ilhan Omar’s controversial record.
• Painter rebuffs collective blame: “We can either fight the Mafia or we can blame it on all the Italians. The real answer is to fight the Mafia.” — Richard Painter [17:19]

5. European Security, Immigration, and U.S.-Russia Relations (18:48–29:12)

• Dr. Celeste Wallander joins to analyze European defense capability, NATO, and immigration policy:
  • Affirms value of U.S. alliances: “The United States is more secure, when we keep conflicts ... far from our borders and when we actively compete for influence with important regions of the world, like Europe ...” — Dr. Wallander [18:48]
• O’Reilly questions European strength, suggesting immigration has destabilized nations like Italy, Spain, and France; Wallander acknowledges challenges but notes economic growth in some countries.
• Both agree Europe would struggle against Russia alone:
  “It is not the case that Europe alone could defeat a Russian conventional attack ... but if you put the United States in the mix ... Russia is completely deterred.” — Dr. Wallander [22:02]
• U.S. Response to Russia–Ukraine:
  • Wallander details Biden administration’s early support for Ukraine and sanctions on Russia, conceding: “The plan to restrict Russia fundamentally didn't work because China and Iran came to Russia's rescue.” — Dr. Wallander [28:44]
  • O’Reilly critiques what he sees as Biden’s passivity.

6. U.S. Border Crisis and Political Implications (29:13–38:18)

• John Solomon analyzes the New York Times’ reporting on Biden and the border crisis:
  • Argues problems predate Biden, citing a long-term Democratic strategy to increase House representation through immigration.
• Key Insight: “The more non citizens that Democrats can bring into the country, the more they can win the apportionment war.” — John Solomon [30:31]
• O’Reilly and Solomon both contend that lack of border enforcement is an intentional political strategy.
• On Trump’s actions and midterms: Solomon says focusing on criminal actors will help the GOP: “Not if [Trump] continues to focus on the vast majority of people. You have to fight this with statistics.” — John Solomon [36:48]
• Details about ICE raids are discussed, with an emphasis on distinguishing between innocent and criminal migrants.

7. Social and Cultural Segue: Internet Outrage and Political Extremes (38:51–40:23)

• O’Reilly highlights social media controversies involving conservative and liberal voices, discussing accusations of misogyny and extremism.
• Critiques far-left rhetoric as damaging to the Democratic Party:
  “But the extremism on the left has really damaged the liberal movement and Democratic Party because of her.” — Bill O’Reilly [40:23]

8. Final Thoughts: Postal Service & Political Satire (40:24–End)

• O’Reilly delivers a quirky commentary on the U.S. postal system’s future, using it as a metaphor for inefficient institutions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On media responsibility:
  “You watch us with regulation. You are way ahead of the news cycle.” — Bill O’Reilly [00:40]

• On Minnesota welfare spending:
  “$46,000 per welfare recipient in Minnesota ... It is the second [highest after Massachusetts].” — Bill O’Reilly [05:46]

• On collective blame:
  “We can either fight the Mafia or we can blame it on all the Italians. The real answer is to fight the Mafia.” — Richard Painter [17:19]

• On European defense against Russia:
  “It is not the case that Europe alone could defeat a Russian conventional attack, let alone a nuclear war ... but if you put the United States in the mix ... Russia is completely deterred.” — Dr. Celeste Wallander [22:02]

• On Democratic immigration strategy:
  “It has been a 20 year objective of the Democratic Party ... The more non citizens ... the more they can win the apportionment war.” — John Solomon [30:31]

• On political leadership:
  “I think after he was inaugurated, he zipped on over there and he took a nap and that nap lasted four years.” — Bill O’Reilly about Joe Biden [34:14]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening: National Mood and No Spin Mission — [00:12–01:30]
• Minnesota Welfare Fraud Overview — [01:30–07:11]
• Somali Community & Racism Debate — [07:12–08:53]
• Interview: Richard Painter on MN Politics & Blame — [08:54–17:46]
• European Security & U.S.-Russia Alliances (Dr. Wallander) — [18:48–29:12]
• NYT on Border Policy, Political Strategies (John Solomon) — [29:13–38:18]
• Cultural Commentary & Internet Extremism — [38:51–40:23]
• Final Musings: The Postal Service — [40:24–end]

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Summary Takeaway

This episode exemplifies O’Reilly’s hard-nosed, fact-driven approach, blending investigative journalism with partisan critique. Listeners are guided through complex stories—a massive welfare fraud, the pitfalls of scapegoating, the mechanics of U.S. electoral and immigration politics, and international security—with O’Reilly and expert guests offering analysis and sharp opinions. The themes of government accountability, media skepticism, and shifting political landscapes run throughout, offering listeners both detail and context behind headlines.

Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

America, I think it's fair to say, remains a bit unsettled. I think that's a fair word. High prices, hateful politics, collapsing traditional media, a lot in the air. And next year is going to be even more intense, as we reported last week because of the midterm elections. Now we here at the no Spin News, keep it simple, keep it very fact based, rigorously checking facts. Today I spent my whole morning doing that. Okay? Because we want you to see the picture clearly, what is happening, because what is happening affects you directly and your family and your friends, everybody. That is our mission. And that separates us from the corrupt corporate media, which is in it for the money. We're not in it for the money. We're in it to give you our loyal viewers and listeners on radio all across the country to give you an advantage. You watch us with regulation. You are way ahead of the news cycle. Now, the Talking Points memo this evening is a very disturbing story. The massive taxpayer fraud in Minnesota. All right, so President Trump is blaming the Somali community out there. Close to 90,000 Somalis live in Minnesota, most in Minneapolis, St. Paul. The reason they live there is because that was a magnet in the beginning when the first Somalis came over. And that's what always happens. Ethnic groups go to where their predecessors are. So the Irish went to Boston and New York. The Italians went to New York. That is the pattern of migration. Mexicans go to California. I said Somali's headed on in. Now, the President of the United States, and I talked to him about this directly a few days ago, does not think in general, the Somali community really helps this country, okay? And he's pretty blunt on it. And part of that is their congressperson Omar, who is a far left, permanent aggressive, you know, put any other adjective you want in there. But Trump despises her. And now with this massive fraud, he is down on the Somali community. So what happened? Okay, so under the Biden administration, trillions of dollars flowed into communities all over the United States during the COVID years. They were unregulated. The money was not watched by feds or state. That's on Biden's watch. Remember Joe Biden, the four years he was in highest spending president by far in US History, Ran up the debt in an astronomical way. So the money pours in to Minnesota, all right? And then three big schemes emerged, all right? Fraud, absolute fraud. Now, if you want to learn about that, you can go and do the Nexus search or the Wikipedia or whatever, feeding our future. I mean, they all got names, but it would Be too much for me to explain all this fraud, but it was. They were diverting money. The criminals were diverting money. They were, it was supposed to be used to help people into their own pockets in three major ways. Total money, a billion dollars. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. A billion dollars. All right, so there have been 87 people charged with crimes, 61 already convicted. These are federal charges. 79 of the 87 Somalis, according to the Hill newspaper, did analysis. So it was a Somali problem. Okay? Now, the government of Minnesota, as you may know, is very liberal. All right, Tim Walls, former vice presidential candidate under Kamala Harris, is the governor. There he is. There's Tim, barely. Tim says he didn't know anything about this. Hard to believe, but that's what he says. Democrats control the Senate in Minnesota. The attorney general is a Democrat, is a Democrat. House in Minnesota is Republican. But nobody knew about this for years and years and years and years. Just unbelievably disturbing. Why? This is what the Wall street journal wrote on December 4, quote, Democrats won't acknowledge fraud because they want more Americans on the dole. Welfare is central to their political business model. Republicans who make the scandal about immigration are missing the point and missing an opportunity to educate Americans about the entitlement state grift. Okay, I wrote a column Yesterday on Billow reilly.com I got into this a bit, but Minnesota is, is second in means entitlement spending behind Massachusetts. Ready for the stat, $46,000 per welfare recipient in Minnesota. $46,000 the state funnels into entitlements, not Social Security or Medicare, anything like that. Giving people stuff. And they're proud of it. Proud of it. It is the second.

[John Solomon]

I don't know.

[Bill O'Reilly]

What the second state that spends that much. Minnesota. It's only 6 million people there. They spend more on means of time in California. This is crazy. It really is crazy. TIM Walz VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE okay, Now, the population of, as I said, is approaching 90,000 Somalis. I'm adding legal and illegal in there. And if you criticize the Somali community, who is obviously behind most of them, this fraud, you get branded a racist. Here is the Minnesota lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan. Go.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

You know this vile racist stream of consciousness from President Old man yells at cloud, You're disgusting. And the people of this country deserve so much better. I just watched the video of Donald Trump attacking the beautiful Somali community that calls Minnesota home. They are part of the fabric of our state.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, well, I can't argue with the problem with part of the fabric of your state, madam. But you don't care about a billion dollar grift. Apparently. You don't care at all, do you? What have you done about it? Nothing. And this would still be going on if not for two reporters. Guy named Ryan Thorpe, another one, Christopher Russo, they both work for the Manhattan Institute, conservative think tank. They broke the story. Not Minnesota law enforcement. Not federal law enforcement. Journalists. And that's the memo. Let's get into the point of view. Somebody on the ground in St. Paul, which is the capital of the state. Richard Painter is a law professor at the University of Minnesota. He's a former chief White House ethics lawyer under Bush the Younger. So, professor, pleased to have you. In my analysis, am I making any mistakes? Am I being unfair?

[Richard Painter]

Well, let's start with who's responsible for the massive fraud in the state of Minnesota, in addition to the criminals? Dozens. And it's going to turn out they're probably. Well over 100 criminals end up going to jail in connection with this fraud. Out of an 80,000 or so Somali community. That's a small percentage. But who's responsible for what happened here? We have an incompetent governor, Tim Walsh, and an incompetent Lieutenant Governor, Peggy Flanagan. They're responsible. They were overseeing these agencies. They're just handing out money, no questions asked to criminals. And we've had Tim Walsh now for two terms, and he wants a third term as governor. Peggy Flanagan wants to be our United States Senator. This is a disaster in Minnesota. You also mentioned Massachusetts, which has a lot of social programs, hands out a lot of money, but we haven't heard about anywhere near as much fraud. Yes, there's fraud in Massachusetts, but the government has been a lot more responsible. Until recently, they had Governor Baker, Charlie Baker, who was a good governor. We'll see how things work out under there.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, Healy's not at that level. Yeah, but let's stay in Minnesota. You say that the Governor Walls is incompetent. So there are two questions then that arise. How is he incompetent? Is he just not smart enough? And why do the people of Minnesota keep electing him?

[Richard Painter]

Well, he's smart enough to do what's politically good for him, to get himself reelected, which is to have friends in the state, in various communities, including the Somali community, who have influence. And unfortunately, there have been organized criminals who have abused, taken advantage of influence in this.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So you're saying basically he doesn't care about that, he just wants power, Is that what you're saying?

[Richard Painter]

Exactly. He wants power. He doesn't care.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He doesn't care what happens. All right. I don't know Mr. Walls. I certainly didn't respect his campaign. I thought he you look like a fool out there. But you know, I've been to Minnesota many times and folks don't seem. It's like San Francisco, all right, but they seem to. They elect the people who don't care. And I agree with that assessment. Why? Let's face it, the US Economy is under stress, national debt rising, trade war shaking the markets and. And meanwhile China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401 tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998899. Again, that's 866326, 5576 or text BILL to 998999. Have you heard of Gold Belly? It's this amazing site that celebrates the best of America by shipping our country's most iconic foods from legendary restaurants straight to your door anywhere in the usa. Now, I tried Gold Belly's Maine lobster roll kit and deep dish pizza. Incredible. Both of them. So this holiday season I'm gifting a coconut cake and Junior's red velvet cheesecake to friends and family. Gold Belly's food is high quality. Ships reliably makes giving deliciously easy. So if you're looking for that perfect gift for everyone on your list or want to impress your friends and family with an unforgettable meal and make hosting a breeze this holiday season, please go to goldbelly.com get 20% off your first order with promo code Bill. That's goldbelly.com, code Bill. 20% off your first order.

[Richard Painter]

Well, it's. It seems to be about partisan politics. Who gets elected? I mean, look at our crime rate is sky high.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Why do they care? Why do the good people of Minnesota keep electing these people that allow crime, fraud and everything else? Why do they keep casting the ballots for them?

[Richard Painter]

Well, part of the problem is our Republican Party is not competitive anymore in statewide races. The Republican party is competitive in several congressional districts. Indeed, four of our eight congressional districts have elected Republicans. But in statewide races, they can't find candidates who will appeal to a broader base. Candidates appear to be too much in line with President Trump or too extreme on some social issues where they don't need to be. We used to have some very strong Republicans. Governor Arne Carlson, a Republican. Governor Tim Pawlenty.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Tim Pawlenty, yeah, I remember Pawlenty. Look like Oregon and other states. Minneapolis, St. Paul dominates. That's where all the people are. But what strikes me about this is that you have a very fervent liberal climate in Minnesota. And I guess that stems back to the Scandinavians coming there. I guess. I don't know. But when you see terrible crime that you've seen in Minnesota and, you know, after the George Floyd stuff, and then you see this massive fraud, fraud, and rather than deal with the fraud and say, gee, we're sorry, because remember, this tax money is not Minnesota tax money. This is everybody's $1 billion, everybody. I haven't heard Walls or anybody else say, yeah, really sorry about this. I wish it didn't happen. Have you?

[Richard Painter]

Well, they say they're sorry, they wish it didn't happen and they're going to make it better.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I haven't heard their. So they said they're sorry. I haven't heard any policy.

[Richard Painter]

They're not sorry for their own conduct because they were negligent and they don't want to recognize they were negligent. The government was in charge. And also, I have to say, President Biden, they were just handing out all this money.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Ridiculous. Right.

[Richard Painter]

And the President of the United States was half asleep. So this was something that I don't think should be blamed on the Somali community, at least be blamed on the criminals in the Somali community who took advantage of the Somali community and on the governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls, the lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan, both of them incompetent.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But let me challenge you there. I haven't heard anybody in the Somali community speak out against this, have you?

[Richard Painter]

Well, I say the problem is the political leaders who get elect.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I haven't heard anybody, not one person at 100,000, say, I'm ashamed. And we Somalis aren't like that. I've heard anybody do that. And Omar, your congressperson, is outrageous. Yeah.

[Richard Painter]

Some people, you know, I don't think she speaks for the Somali community. She is an incompetent congressman. She's also anti Semitic. And we've all known that that's been a serious problem with Ilhan Omar, that she should never have been nominated for that seat once Again, the Republicans are not competitive in that race at all.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Because it's a Somali dominated district.

[Richard Painter]

Well, it's modest, but others as well. White liberals. Yeah, but, you know, far left white liberals. And I deal with them all the time at the University of Minnesota. The biggest anti Semites we have at the University of Minnesota are not Somali at all. They're white leftists. Interesting running Minneapolis politics for a long time. And then you get the Somali community is being taken advantage of. We've been through this before in this country. We can either fight the Mafia or we can blame it on all the Italians. The real answer is to fight the Mafia.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Look, I get it. I'm a reporter here on President Trump. I understand that all Somalis aren't bad. But I disagree with you a bit. I don't think there's any activism in that community in Minneapolis St. Paul that are standing up and saying we need to clean it up. I haven't heard it. I haven't seen it. Somali crime is higher than the other groups, as you know. And until I see it, I'm not going to attack President Trump for his categorization that we were very generous in accepting these people from one of the most horrendous countries on earth and they came here and they're not doing what they should do. Anyway, Professor, I want you to have a very merry Christmas, say hello to everybody at the university, and it's a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you. Joining us now From Washington is Dr. Celeste Wallander. She's a former Assistant Secretary of Defense for international security under President Biden. She now works for the University of Pennsylvania. All right, Doctor, is this security report about Europe accurate? Do you agree with it?

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

I agree with parts of it. For example, the National Security Strategy points out that the way to secure American global interests, global prosperity and defense is to rely upon a rich network of allies and partners in strategic areas of the world, Europe and Asia. And the report notes that actually Europe enjoys a predominance of hard power over Russia and is very capable against Russian threats. What is more problematic is the notion that therefore, the United States should disentangle itself from those strong and reliable allies. When the record shows that the United States is more secure, when we keep conflicts and adversaries far from our physical homeland borders and when we actively compete for influence with important and prosperous regions of the world, like Europe and like in Asia, our partners and allies, South Korea and Japan.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, it seems to be happening a.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

Lot of the analysis.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, it seems to be happening in Asia. But they don't have an immigration problem over there, and that's what's sticking in President Trump's craw here. But I'm going to dissent a little bit from your analysis. I don't think NATO is very strong at this point. Now, the president mentioned Orban and Hungary. Hungary doesn't allow migrants, and as you know, very strict. Poland, also fairly strict about that. But many of the countries, like Italy, Spain, Scandinavian countries have passed new laws limiting immigration. Basically, France, another good example, have created a lot of problems for themselves, and they're diverted, trying to keep control over rampant illegal immigration, mostly from the Middle east and North Africa into their societies, just causing all kinds of political turbulence. That's got to weaken those countries. Am I wrong?

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

Those countries have themselves identified challenges from their immigration policies, and European countries have sought to reset their policies. But some of the countries you mentioned, Italy and Spain, for example, have substantial growth. They're some of the largest economies in Europe. And in fact, it is the case that in terms of their internal politics, the leaderships have been held accountable for concerns that their populations had.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Sometimes Spain, though, not Spain. Spain is the worst. They don't even contribute hardly anything to NATO, and they're the country that contributes least. But what I'm trying to get across is that I don't believe that Europe could stand up to Putin on its own, that it absolutely has to have American backing, American money, American weaponry, American will. And I think Trump resents that.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

Well, I think that's right. You're exactly right. That it is not the case that Europe alone could defeat a Russian conventional attack, let alone a nuclear war, because Europe does not have the kind of nuclear arsenal that the United States does. So I agree with you. And more to the point, Bill, Russia agrees with you. The analysis of the Kremlin in Russian military doctrine is that in a war in Europe, they would win a quick war, they would win a fast war, because Europe does not have enough capability to sustain a long war. That's what they would count on if they attack Europe. But if you put the United States in the mix as an ally, totally different. Russia is completely deterred. You see that every day. If Russia wants to stop the west from helping Ukraine, all it has to do is invade Europe. But Putin has been deterred from invading Europe because he knows that because of NATO and because of the United States, a war against NATO would be a long war. We have the global war, and they lose. We have the logistics.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And Putin would lose that war.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

He would absolutely lose that war.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So I Got a final question for you. President Trump, as you know and individuals can make up their mind on this, has said maybe 5 million times that if he were President, Putin never would have invaded Ukraine. Now, you can't say yes or no, but that's the president's posture, and believe me, he believes it. When Putin did go into Ukraine, you were with the Biden administration in the foreign policy area. What was the thinking there in the White House? Was, was there a strategy to confront Putin? Did you think he was going to lose? What were you guys thinking back then?

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

So Putin wanted that war to be rhetorically a war of Russia against the United States, to slap us down for our strong alliances in Europe. But rhetorically is not reality. And Putin was counting on the United States and Europe to do what it had done years before, which was not to aid Ukraine. The first time Russia invaded in 2014.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, Crimea.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

So he was counting on having that quick war, only the quick war against Ukraine and we would be paralyzed. But instead, what we did from day one was surge military capabilities and defense and training to Ukraine. And the Ukrainian military, against all odds and expectations, including Putin's expectations, fought off those initial months of the attack. It was Ukrainian courage and bravery, but it was Western security assistance advice and training that defeated Putin's war plan in 2022.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

The summer of 2021, he sat down with Putin in Geneva and laid out what would be required for a resolution of the conflict. The disagreement between Russia and Ukraine over territory. But it was American principles to support Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity as Russia had recognized under international law. And that's not what Putin wanted. Putin demanded a revision.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But did you guys think that Putin was gonna get tired of this? Because Trump underestimated Putin in the sense that he thought he could, you know, convince Putin to stop. But if you read my book Confronting Evil and I had to actually hand it to the president on 9 11, you got to read this chapter because Putin's got a lot worse than when Trump was in the office the first time around. But did you guys in the Biden administration think that Putin was going to stop at any point or was this going to go on forever?

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

But we didn't think Putin was going to stop. We thought he had to be stopped. And that was first and foremost helping.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The Ukrainians fight, determine just weapons and money. Was there any other strategy?

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

Great question. Imposing significant sanctions on the Russian economy and restricting Russian access to defense technology. We closed the door on dual use capabilities.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But it didn't work though. And I'm not criticizing. It's just a historical fact that Putin that what you guys did. But to be fair, what Trump has done in the last year hasn't worked either. And now, I mean I, I'm a hawk on this. I think you don't. I'd stop all flights in and out of, of Moscow. I wouldn't let any Russians land in any Western European or American held territory at all. Japan will go along with that and toward Australia. And I mean you gotta up it. Last word.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

So the plan to restrict Russia fundamentally didn't work because China and Iran came to Russia's rescue. Yeah, they bought their own China in banking and technology. So Putin got a rescue deal from China and now the challenge is Putin is indebted to Xi and you've got an axis of upheaval of Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. Well, hopefully Trump can undermine that national security.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I think China will turn on Putin if the trade deal is to their advantage. Very good discussion. Doctor, thank you for taking the time to speak with us. We appreciate it. All right. New York Times, you know, I feel about that, but they wrote an article on Sunday. It said Joe Biden's team, they don't really define. Biden himself knew that the open border was a disaster, yet refused to do anything about it. That's the essence of the article. Now, his team, you don't know these people, but it's Ron Klain, Mike Donilon, Anita Dunn, on and on and on and they were running the country, not Joe Biden. But a guy who's on this and really has a lot of good information is John Solomon. You know him, he's the editor in chief of Just the News and he comes to us now from Washington. So I can't take anything out of any newspaper now. Anyone. There isn't a newspaper in the United States that I can just say, oh, I think this is true. I have to run it through my confirmation mill and have my people investigate. So when you heard about the New York Times and read the piece, what was your impression?

[John Solomon]

Well, listen, I think it is truncated in history, which is all right, there was a problem in 2020 and it's all Joe Biden's fault that Donald Trump's effort to secure the border and get violent criminals out of the country is popular now, but it misses the point. Barack Obama tried this and a decade ago and it's what gave rise to President Trump's success in 2016. Remember, build the Wall was his champ and Americans voted for that. So legal immigration isn't a Joe Biden figment. It has been a 20 year objective of the Democratic Party and it's very clear what the objective is. The more non citizens that Democrats can bring into the country, the more they can win the apportionment war. And this isn't me speaking. This are the data experts seeking. The left leaning center for Immigration Studies estimates Democrats get at least 14 more seats in the US House because of noncitizens. And some of the conservative groups have that number at double because they're taking a look at some of the illegal immigrants.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, and that assumes when they get the right to vote, when they become naturalized, right? Yeah.

[John Solomon]

It affects apportionment. Right. You get representation based on and you get federal funds based on.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So you believe John Solomon, brilliant guy, believes that when Biden was elected and brought in all these people to help him, all of them liberal, that the plan was to just flood the zone with undocumented migrants to help the Democratic Party get stronger. That's what you believe, right?

[John Solomon]

By the way, it's just not my opinion. I've actually interviewed Democrats who say that's been their 20 year strategy, that they could.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I'M not interested in them. I'm interested in you. Okay, so that's what you believe now?

[John Solomon]

That's what my reporting shows, yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

According to the New York Times, these people had conferences that they disco. This is not working out and then they didn't do anything about it. Do you believe that?

[John Solomon]

No. Well, they might have had conferences to raise complaints. They could have solved this in 20 minutes as President Trump showed. Right. It took less than a month to shut the border off. It wasn't that hard. It isn't rocket science. The Democrats like to profess. They like to solve the problem while letting it continue because it's in their political interest to do so. This goes all the way back to the Clinton Gore years. I remember in 1996 you were having the start of your great show and Clinton was trying to rush a whole bunch of citizens ahead of the normal schedule and around the regular rules to get more citizens so they could register them to vote for Democrats.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't think there's any dispute about. I've never heard anybody dispute that theory. Yeah, well, I shouldn't say that. There are some radicals that are never going to tell the truth. But you know what was missing in the New York Times article was Biden's input.

[John Solomon]

Yeah. No fair comment from him. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They basically like, is this guy even in the. In the building?

[John Solomon]

Yeah. What do you think about that? Well, listen, it is the narrative that suddenly the left has. The left told us for four years when he was in office he's totally fine until they bounced him out of office. Cuz he wasn't totally fine. Our eyes told us that he wasn't crooked until Hunter Biden had to admit that he was running a crooked sham and cheating on his taxes. They protected Joe Biden and now they're just throwing him under the buns by pretending he's irrelevant, that he. They're actually leaning into the narrative that he wasn't in charge. This story basically is written as though Joe Biden wasn't in charge. He had to say that he was right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He wasn't even involved with any of the discussions about his own policy of open borders. I mean, it's really, and I think it's true. Classic, classic. I have said from the very beginning. I don't think the man was in charge from day one. I think after he was inaugurated, he zipped on over there and he took a nap and that nap lasted four years. That's what I think.

[John Solomon]

It sure feels that way. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence to that. Now, and meanwhile, the influx of this system that they allowed to happen, first, it's creating a very strong popularity push for President Trump on security issues. But secondly, it gives us things like the Minnesota Somali immigrant fraud crisis, which could be one of the largest fraudulent crises in America. It is. And why does Tim Waltz want that? He wants he'll let those immigrants stay and take as much money as they can because it gives me more clout. He doesn't care.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wall Street Journal had the best quote on it. This is their business model. Democratic Party. We don't care. Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend. Last question for you, John. So the immigration problem helped Donald Trump when he stopped the border cold. Yep, helped him. And then when he said, we're going to get all the criminal aliens out of here, that helped him. Two for two. But then some so called peaceful migrants got caught up in the raids.

[John Solomon]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And the left went wild.

[John Solomon]

That's it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

In your opinion, that video of the people being swept in by ice and I talked to Sahoman about this in the town hall. We did at Kennedy Center.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

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[John Solomon]

Paid for by Electronic Payments Coalition.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I usually ask potential criminals to have a seat, but now I'm asking you to join me, Chris Hansen, for my new series, have a Seat with Chris Hansen. Guests each week are fascinating personalities who are grabbing headlines, lines, making waves, or changing our lives for the better. Have a Seat with Chris Hansen, available wherever you get your podcasts. Is that going to hurt Trump in the midterms?

[John Solomon]

Not if he continues to focus on the vast majority of people. You have to fight this with statistics. And one of the things that Trisha McLaughlin, the Assistant Secretary for Homeland Security for Public affairs, is doing such a great job is debunking now in real time, these fake stories. Oh, they went after a woman and raided a school? No, she ran into the school, but she was a felon. They're debunking these stories in real time. I'm out now. I have a TV crew out that's actually filming the immigration officers like it was a show of cops and what you see every day all over the country, Florida, Texas, California, they're everywhere. And we're coming.

[Bill O'Reilly]

When you get that together, please come back. And I'm going to signal my producer now. We're going to try to get Ms. McLaughlin for Monday.

[John Solomon]

She's fantastic because she debunks it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I've seen her on the.

[John Solomon]

She does the facts and facts are a stubborn thing. But what you see in these planning they're going after, they have a sheet and they know that there are bad people that are in this building now. There might be innocent people just like when you raid a drug house or when you raid Enron. There were good people at Enron, there were crooked people at Enron. You're temporarily going to sweep up good people when you have a mass raid. But then what happens to the good people? They get sent a citation, the bad people get put in handcuffs and they get deported quickly. And I think the administration just needs to keep. They just need to keep telling that story because it's factually true.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, you tell her, you know, I hope she doesn't dodge me. You know, some people do there, John. I'm so charming. I could never figure it out.

[John Solomon]

But you know what, you're about the facts and that she's going to love you because you're about the facts.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You care about facts, that's for sure. You have a nice Christmas, John. Thank you for helping. Thank you. Bye. Here's a really disturbing story. There is a woman named Jennifer Welsh who's a far left loon on the Internet we don't pay attention to loons, but she's there. Erica Kirk is now trying to get attention for a book. So she goes on with Andrew Ross Sorkin and says this goes.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

He became more conservative as did I once getting married because you want a country that's for your children, that they're not renters of everything. They actually own property, they own land, they're invested in this country. They're proud to be a citizen. They're proud of what they've built and what their family has built. And so hand in hand, him and I both were able to see that on full display. And that's why he would tell so many young people get married and have children. And it wasn't because he was trying to be misogynistic or anything from that nature.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Ma', am, it's not misogynistic to you suggest that marriage might be a good thing, but it is to Jennifer Welsh. Roll it.

[Dr. Celeste Wallander]

This is a, an intentional attack on poor women and this is a dehumanization all done in the name of her Lord and savior Jesus Christ, which is the exact opposite of what the central character, the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And this, she is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes. Look at the costume changes, look at the affect and how she does that. It's. While this woman should be kicked to the curb, she is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump. And just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Doesn't get more vile than that. Now, those kinds of people hurt every liberal in this country. Most liberals would never say anything like that. But the extremism on the left has really damaged the liberal movement and Democratic Party because of her. And on the same subject, Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas, says she's going to run for the Senate. No chance she could win. She'll get wiped out by Ted Cruz. Here's what I said on News Nation last night. I don't subscribe as Mr. Trump does to, you know, trying to belittle whoever he doesn't like. And he does it to me, too. So I'm used to it for 35 years. But I'll tell you what, I follow Congresswoman Crockett a bit because she's very entertaining. Only for entertaining value. All right. I have not heard her say anything about solving any problem that makes sense. Not one thing. Not one problem. Her whole reputation is hating Trump. All right, final thought of the day. The post office is over. Denmark after the Christmas season. Stopping mail delivery. No Country Farm in and out to some private company. That will happen in the USA. The US Post Office loses $9 billion a year. Nine billion because everybody's texting and emailing me. I'm sending the card, putting a stamp on it, sending it. Old school. I think that's the way to go. Text. All right. But a real card. That's the way. Thank you for watching and listening to the no Spin news. We'll see you tomorrow.