Is There an Affordability Crisis?, Dr. Betsey Stevenson Breaks Down Trump’s Economy & Exposing the Biden Administration’s Border Crisis With John Solomon

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode Title: Is There an Affordability Crisis? Dr. Betsey Stevenson Breaks Down Trump’s Economy & Exposing the Biden Administration’s Border Crisis With John Solomon
Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Bill O'Reilly
Guests: Dr. Betsey Stevenson, John Solomon

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Overview

This episode centers on the theme of "affordability" in the American economy, dissecting the narrative around a supposed affordability crisis. Bill O’Reilly delivers his signature “No Spin” take on media messaging, economic indicators, and political strategy leading into the midterms. He’s joined by Dr. Betsey Stevenson (economist, University of Michigan) to analyze U.S. economic trends and former Labor Department chief economist under Obama. Later, investigative journalist John Solomon weighs in on the Biden administration’s handling of the border crisis and its political implications.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Question of an Affordability Crisis

• O’Reilly’s Opening Remarks ([01:12-06:08]):
  • Reflects on his modest upbringing and the value of money.
  • Argues political focus is shifting toward financial wellbeing of Americans, stating:

    “The midterm vote is going to be based on how Americans are feeling about their finances. Not Ukraine, not even the border... your wallet.”
    (Bill O’Reilly, [02:12])

• Current Price Landscape:
  • Beef (+15%), Bacon (+6%), Coffee (+19%), utilities, health insurance (+6%), and auto insurance (+12%) have risen.
  • Many groceries (eggs, butter, fruit, cereal, fish, rice, pasta, ham) are down year-to-year.
  • Gas prices have decreased except in California.
  • Apparel prices are down; mortgage rates and rents discussed, with rates expected to fall below 6% ([07:17]).
  • The stock market is strong: Dow up 8%, Nasdaq up 19% ([08:02]).
  • Wages up 4% for civilian workers; unemployment steady at 4.1-4.4%.
• O’Reilly’s Assessment:
  • Claims media exaggerates the affordability crisis out of political motivation:

    “It’s all a bunch of nonsense and propaganda. They don’t care about the stats that I just read. ... They want Trump to lose.”
    (Bill O’Reilly, [09:25])

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2. Polling & Public Sentiment ([10:50-14:22])

• Harvard Harris Poll:
  • Trump at 47% approval vs. 49% disapproval.
  • 53% say Trump is doing a better job than Biden; 50/50 split on whether the economy is better now.
  • Support for military and National Guard use in cities (51%) and against drug cartels (58%).

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3. Deep Dive: Economic Reality with Dr. Betsey Stevenson ([14:22-23:38])

On Media Framing & Affordability:

• Stevenson cautions O’Reilly against dismissing voters’ concerns:

  “…people are feeling that way. And then the job is to figure out why... Are there things you can do that just relieve the pressure enough that they won’t feel that way?”
  (Dr. Betsey Stevenson, [15:07])

On Capitalism:

• She challenges O’Reilly’s “winners and losers” view:

  “It’s the voluntary exchange... The more voluntary exchanges we have, the better we are.”
  (Dr. Betsey Stevenson, [16:20])

On Supply Constraints Driving Costs:

• Cites supply issues (housing, healthcare, tariffs affecting imports like coffee and rubber), and the role of targeted policy to ease affordability ([18:46]):

  “If you want food to be cheaper... you bring in more food or you grow more food. So it’s all about if we bring more to the problem, prices come down.”
  (Dr. Betsey Stevenson, [19:17])

On Trump’s Economic Vision & Tariffs:

• O’Reilly summarizes Trump’s stance:

  “Donald Trump believes that it has to go from a service economy to a manufacturing economy. ...that’s why he did it.”
  (Bill O’Reilly, [19:39])

• Stevenson says manufacturing jobs still declined under Trump and supports more targeted, less broad tariffs ([20:30]).
• Both agree on the value of deregulation and competition—especially in insurance and small business ([21:41]).

Stevenson’s Overall Assessment:

• The U.S. economy is not currently weak but could be at an inflection point; hiring is strongest in health and education services, with little job creation in professional/business services ([23:14-23:39]).

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Notable Quotes:

• On Affordability Feeling vs. Stats:
  Stevenson: “I learned a really important lesson... People don’t want to hear that. ...don’t try to call the affordability discussion a hoax or blame it on the media.” ([15:07])
• On Economic Realism vs. Theory:
  O’Reilly: “That’s theoretical. I’m operating in the real life...” ([17:01])
• On Tariffs and Targeting Policy:
  Stevenson: “I would like his tariffs to be much more targeted. ...We need to make it easier for small businesses.” ([20:47])

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4. Border Crisis & Political Strategy: John Solomon Interview ([26:43-34:40])

Media, Policy, and Political Maneuvering:

• O’Reilly discusses NYT reporting on Biden’s border management—suggests Biden not truly in charge ([26:43]).
• Solomon ties border policies to Democratic apportionment strategy:

  “The more non-citizens that Democrats can bring into the country, the more they can win the apportionment war. ...Democrats get at least 14 more seats in the US House because of non-citizens.”
  (John Solomon, [27:40])

• O’Reilly presses Solomon, who affirms this is not just opinion but supported by interviews and analysis; says Democrats have used immigration to bolster political power for 20 years, not just under Biden ([29:33]).
• Both criticize the lack of Biden’s direct involvement and blame-shifting in media coverage.

Enforcement, Optics, and Political Risks:

• O’Reilly and Solomon analyze how ICE raids (sometimes involving collateral arrests of non-criminal migrants) might affect Trump’s electoral prospects.
• Solomon: The administration’s strategy is to debunk “fake stories” and keep focus on targeting criminal migrants, with real-time media counter-narratives ([33:05-34:24]).

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Notable Quotes:

• On Biden’s Leadership Status:
  O’Reilly: “I think after he was inaugurated he zipped on over there and he took a nap and that nap lasted four years. That’s what I think.” ([31:25])
• On Political Impact of Immigration Raids:
  Solomon: “You have to fight this with statistics... what you see every day, all over the country... We're covering it.” ([33:05])

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5. Media and Political Culture ([35:01-40:54])

• O’Reilly contrasts his previous TV ratings with those of Jimmy Kimmel and Anderson Cooper to comment on changes in media influence.
• Criticizes extreme rhetoric from both left and right; cites a viral internet exchange about marriage and family and attacks on conservative figures as damaging to the liberal cause ([37:39-39:32]).
• Observes that progressive extremism is harming the credibility and electoral prospects of Democrats.

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6. Concluding Thoughts – USPS and Cultural Shifts ([40:54-41:08])

• O’Reilly notes mail delivery ending in Denmark as a harbinger of the decline of traditional postal services in the US, as society shifts to digital communication.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Media Spin:

  “Essentials of life... You’ll never hear it in the media... Eggs, butter, ice cream, fruit, cereal, fish, seafood, rice, pasta, ham—all down.”
  (Bill O’Reilly, [04:56])

• On Market Realities:

  “In a capitalistic system, there are winners and losers. There are people who fall behind and people who surge ahead. That’s reality. It’s always been that way.”
  (Bill O’Reilly, [16:10])

• On Political Strategy and Immigration:

  “This goes all the way back to the Clinton Gore years… Clinton was trying to rush a whole bunch of citizens ahead of the normal schedule…”
  (John Solomon, [29:46])

• On Administrative Narrative Shifts:

  “They protected Joe Biden and now they're just throwing him under the bunce by pretending he's irrelevant.”
  (John Solomon, [31:14])

• On Economic Reality:

  “The US economy is not currently weak, but it could be at an inflection point in which it is weakening.”
  (Dr. Betsey Stevenson, [23:14])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 01:12 – O’Reilly’s opening on the value of money and economic issues.
• 03:38 – Assessment of Biden and Trump on the economy.
• 04:56 – Year-to-year changes in essential goods’ prices.
• 08:40 – Discussion of wage growth and employment.
• 10:50 – Harvard poll findings on Trump approval.
• 14:22 – Dr. Betsey Stevenson joins; economic analysis and supply chain impacts.
• 19:39 – Discussion on tariffs and Trump’s manufacturing focus.
• 21:41 – On regulation, insurance, and small business competition.
• 23:14 – Economic inflection point and job sector trends.
• 26:43 – Switch to border crisis, NYT article, and intro to John Solomon.
• 27:40 – The political calculus of immigration and apportionment.
• 31:25 – O’Reilly’s view on Biden’s lack of direct involvement.
• 33:05 – ICE raids, political risks, and administration messaging.
• 38:00 – Media soundbites and impact of extreme rhetoric.
• 40:54 – Concluding remarks on decline of USPS and broader cultural change.

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Final Tone and Takeaways

The tone is candid and bracingly opinionated, with O’Reilly emphasizing fact-based, unsentimental analysis—a hallmark of his “No Spin” approach. The episode delivers a skeptical take on media narratives of crisis, encourages focusing on hard economic data, and lays out both partisan and expert diagnoses of current policy challenges. Both guests—Stevenson and Solomon—provide substantive counterpoints and expertise, grounding the discussion in economic realities and political history, respectively.

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This summary brings forward the analytical heart of the episode, clarifying the hosts’ and guests’ perspectives for those who missed the discussion or want a clear, timestamped walkthrough of the content without spin.

Transcript

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to the no Spin News. Tuesday, December 9, 2025 stand up for YOUR country money. Like most of you, I didn't have a lot when I was growing up. I earned every cent. And I'm not a money guy, not a Lamborghini guy.

No jewelry, don't do that. No $18 cocktails. I harbor my money and I do that because I understand the value of it for providing protection against evil. More money you have, more protection you can buy. And I've instilled that in my children that we're not wasting it. We work hard for it. We respect it. In America today, there is a struggle for the currency because many people find themselves in positions where they're not earning all that much money and prices are going up. And that is putting the whole political process in a pressure cooker. So when I was at the White House last Wednesday, I discussed this with President Trump. And the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, the day before Thanksgiving, the president actually yelled at me for reporting extensively on it and saying that we're blowing out of proportion, where I respectfully disagree because the midterm vote is going to be based on how Americans are feeling about their finances. Not Ukraine, not even the border. Border is pretty much solved now. We still have the ongoing migrant controversy. Not the Middle east, not even China. Your wallet. And so.

My discussions with President Trump continue along those lines. Now he is going out, as you know, and that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. So he will be Donald Trump in Mount Airy, Pennsylvania. That's in A Poconos this evening, and he will speak on the economy and his vision and what he has already accomplished.

I can't write speeches for presidents. I wouldn't do it even if asked. I can give advice, but I'm not going to get involved like that. But I said on News Nation last night that to blame Biden for all this not going to get President Trump anywhere, any currency. Every clear thinking person knows that President Biden was not up to the task. And Donald Trump inherited a mess. But he did make very specific promises that he would improve the situation, and that's where he stands now. So this is the fairest analysis you will ever hear in the American media. I am about to give it to you, and I always recommend that you watch the no spin news and listen on the radio with a pen and paper. Essentials of life. Okay? Beef prices are up 15%. Bacon up 6%. Coffee up 19%. For coffee, all right. Stuff you need around the house. Supplies up 3. Rent, up 3%. Okay, that's the downside.

Apparel, clothing, down about 1%. Eggs, butter, fruit, cereal, fish, seafood, rice, pasta, ham, all down in price. And this is year to year. Jay Biden was in office last year at this time. Trump's now year to year. That's a big list. You'll never hear it in the media. Eggs, butter, ice cream, fruit, cereal, fish, seafood, rice, pasta, ham, all down. So don't eat the steak. I mean, that's what I do. And it's not. I'm being cheap. If I want steak, I could buy 80 of them, okay? But I don't want to reward this. So if the meat is too high, I'm going to eat fish or chicken. That'll drive the price down. That's capitalism. Insurance, that's the big one. Okay?

Health insurance, up 6%. And for senior citizens, that is very, very difficult. Home insurance up for. Auto insurance, up a whopping 12%.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

Why?

[Bill O'Reilly]

What are you guys doing out there? You're paying all these football players millions of dollars to pump your insurance, and it's 12% up. Even if you don't have an accident, you're getting hosed. All right? Utilities are up 5%. Okay, now that doesn't make a lot of sense because gas prices at the pump are down and falling.

Utilities are up. You know those utility companies, you got to watch them.

Because you got to assume in America, all these corporations are going to make as much money as possible. They're not like us here. And we artificially keep our prices for stuff we sell down. They don't do that. I don't have to answer the stockholders, but you know what the drill is. Okay, so gas prices are down about 3% except in California, where they're up. And what am I going to tell you guys out there? You're trading nice weather for chaotic governance. That's what you're doing. Mortgage rates are down, okay?

And they're going to fall even further when the Fed cuts rates tomorrow, which I believe it will, a quarter percent.

So if you're looking to buy a home, it's going to fall below 6%.

So you should look around. That's a good rate. Decrease of 9% for mortgage rates. And falling rents are high rents. You don't get your money back. Look around if you can put the down payment, okay? Stock market flying. Dow up 8. Nasdaq up 19% this year. That's AI stocks risky. But the stock market is doing well. So if you have.

A 401k, a 403b individual retirement account, IRA.

And 60% of American adults do have them, you're up, your wealth is growing.

So this affordability stuff is very murky here, okay? Unemployment at the same 4:1 to 4:4. But if you want a job, you can get it. And particularly in a service industry, they're desperate for people to work. And you don't get tax on tips now.

And wages are up 4% for civilian workers. Private industry 3.5%. So wages are going up. This isn't a dire economic circumstance. It's not, but here's the kicker. Every day, every way, the American media is pounding affordability crisis. Affordability crisis. Affordability crisis. Roll the tape.

[Jennifer Welch]

The affordability crisis.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The affordability issue.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

Affordability is what voters are mad about. The affordability crisis.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Out of control.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Housing affordability.

[Jennifer Welch]

When it comes to the affordability problem.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

It's all a bunch of nonsense and propaganda. They don't care about the stats that I just read. You and my staff did an excellent job sorting all that out. They don't care because they don't like Trump. They want Trump to lose.

So I hope, in the interest of fairness, that the Trump administration gets very precise about what's doing, what it's going to do next year and where things are. Biden, we don't need to hear about him. Doesn't do anybody any good. Everybody knows we don't need exaggerations from the President. This is a serious issue, particularly insurance.

I mean, those guys over there in the insurance agencies.

Something going on that's not good.

Finally 2018, Donald Trump's second year in office.

Probably got whacked. Lost 41 seats in in the House. Donald Trump remembers that. That was one of the big things that I discussed with him. You went through this. This time around, if he loses 41 seats or if he loses 10 seats, he's a lame duck. Not going to get any legislation passed through the Democratic House ever.

Big for his legacy for him. So tonight he starts on the road. We will report on that tomorrow. Extensively what he says, strengths and weaknesses. And that's the memo. There is a new poll Harvard Harris out on Donald Trump and surprise me, 2204 registered voters. Sample is fair. First question, do you disapprove or approve of the job Donald Trump is doing as president? Approved 47 disapprove 49. A dead heat. Look at that. Have you heard of Gold Belly? It's this amazing site that celebrates the best of America by shipping our country's most iconic foods from legendary restaurants straight to your door anywhere in the usa. Now I tried Gold Belly's Maine lobster roll kit and deep dish pizza. Incredible. Both of them. So this holiday season I'm gifting a coconut cake and Junior's red velvet cheesecake to friends and family. Gold Belly's food is high quality. Ships reliably makes giving deliciously easy. So if you're looking for that perfect gift for everyone on your list or want to impress your friends and family with an unforgettable meal and make hosting a breeze this holiday season, please go to goldbelly.com get 20% off your first order with promo code BILL. That's goldbelly.com code BILL. 20% off your first order. Let's face it, the US economy is under stress, national debt rising, trade war shaking the markets and meanwhile China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free. With billions in precious metals delivered, thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text BILL to 998899. Now that's up three points in approval from November and disapprove is down two points. I don't know why. I can't tell you why that number is there.

I don't know. Second question. Do you think Donald Trump is doing a better or worse job than Biden as president? Overall better. 53. Worse. 47. Next question. Use the National Guard and active duty military to police American cities. Stop crime. Support 51. Opposed. 49. Next one. Using U.S. military to target cartel drug smugglers, Latin America. Support 58. Pose. 42.

Next question. Is the economy today better or worse than it was when Biden was president? 50. 50.

All right, so that is the picture. Remember, these polls, they're not infallible. They change from week to week. But this one surprised me. Joining us now from Ann Arbor, Michigan, is Dr. Betsy Stevenson, professor of economics at the University of Michigan and was a chief economist for the U.S. department of labor under President Obama. We're very pleased to have the doctor on. As always, I asked my staff, get the best person. Okay. And here we have. All right, am I memo? Did I make any mistakes, mislead anyone, anything that you found that I should not have done?

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

Well, you know, I'm going to start by telling you that I learned a really important lesson when we saw the kind of inflation coming out of the pandemic that then came down pretty quickly, which was I basically told people, hey, don't worry about it. Prices are coming down. You know, your wages are going up, everything's fine. And I, you know that people don't want to hear that. So I wouldn't suggest you try to call the affordability discussion a hoax or blame it on the media, because I'm telling you right now, a lot of people are feeling that way. And then the job is to figure out why they're feeling that way. And are there things you can do that just relieve the pressure enough that they won't feel that way? And I think the challenge that Biden faced with was he couldn't really identify why people felt that way. And I'm sure you're about to tell me why we don't need to go down that road.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, I mean, I don't want to rehash.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

It's a failure to listen. And so I just, I do want to give you that warning.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But in a capitalistic system, there are winners and losers. There are people who fall behind and people who surge ahead. That's reality. It's always been that way.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

The US Media, I'm an economist and I teach Capitalism. I, I'm actually a huge markets person. That's not exactly how capitalism works. So it's the voluntary exchange. So people are made better off through trading with each other. You and I are made better off by coming together and having this conversation today, Bill. Like, that's what capitalism is all about. We improve each other and we come together. And so you are right that sometimes there are people who fall behind while others get ahead, but that's not the nature of capitalism. The nature of capitalism is being able to grow and do more through voluntary exchange. And the more voluntary exchanges we have, the better we are.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, but that's theoretical. I'm operating in the real life and I would get a D in your class because I was never a theoretician at all. The essence of capitalism is that there are winners and losers. The essence of communism and socialism is everybody's the same because the government imposes that. Now the question becomes, for the American voter, next year in the midterms, are there more winners than losers? Because there are always going to be losers for whatever reason, and reasons are all over the place. But do most people feel that they are okay financially? If you listen to the media and that filters through to most Americans, you're getting hosed every way by Trump. That's the pounding and pounding and pounding and pounding every single day. People don't pay close attention. They absorb that and they get negative about it. Now, in order for the President to overcome that, he's got to do what I did and say, here's the menu right here. Here are the stats. That's the only way to do it. Am I wrong?

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

So, first of all, I teach a very, very applied course. I'm deeply involved in the real world. And I still am going to say that I think you're framing that capitalism's all about winners and losers is not correct. It's actually all about the chase. I don't ever want to. Once people win, if people stop chasing them, the whole capitalism system doesn't work anymore. We're all striving to be better than the guy who's on our tail. That's what capitalism is all about. I. I know what I'm seeing in this economy right now is we're seeing a decrease in supply. And if you want to know where affordability problems come from, it comes from not having supply expand as quickly.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Give me an example of supply. What are you talking about now?

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

So, for instance, you can't pretend that tariffs are not hurting prices and hurting supply. You might say this is going to be worth it. We need to restructure our economy. We need a manufacturing base, but the price of coffee is up because we made it harder to bring coffee into the country.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No doubt about it.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

And unfortunately, we did that at a time where there was also an agricultural problem that hurt supply.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So if we want housing, you can make that argument.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

You build more housing. If you want healthcare to be cheaper, you know what you do, you train more doctors. If you want food to be cheaper, you know what you do? You bring in more food or you grow more food. So it's all about if we bring more to the problem, prices come down.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, And I think that analysis is excellent. But.

You'Re not citing one very important thing. In order for this economy in the United States to grow to the benefit of the workers, Donald Trump believes that it has to go from a service economy to a manufacturing economy. Back to manufacturing. And therefore he imposed the tariffs to get more money and more action in building back manufacturing jobs. Now, he says he succeeded, but you and I can't see it, and most Americans can't see it yet. So he's basically trying to sell a phantom. He's trying to sell this is what gonna happen because of what I did. Hard sell. But that's why he did it.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

It's a hard sell. It's also a hard sell because manufacturing jobs have been declining under him. And I do.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Look, I live in Michigan, though, to rebuild those factories, to get that investment up and running. Can't just do it with a magic wand.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

Nobody is gonna dispute that. But it's hard to justify, you know, putting tariffs on bananas and coffee and things like that, when. On rubber, when you need rubber, on the cars. And you're trying to make sure that we are certainly cars in America. So I would like his tariffs to be much more targeted. I think we could agree on that. But look, I'm not here. I don't know. You want to make the case for what Trump needs to do to build his case for his defense of the economy. I just wanna tell you what I think is right for the American economy, regardless of who is in power. And I think there's a lot of room for bipartisan agreement that we need to make it easier for small businesses. They need to be able to count on a certain economic environment. And I think we need to try to do everything we can to reduce every barrier that companies face when they want to expand. Hide.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, but that's not happening in all the blue states, including your. Well, I shouldn't say that your governor has changed her opinion about this. So the regulations that we have that strangle the economy.

Have been imposed largely by the Democratic Party. And I agree with you. Free trade is always best. Let the market roll on the insurance thing, if you opened up competition among the insurance companies in all areas across state lines, you drive those prices right down. Correct?

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

I, well, I don't know. I do think insurance companies are facing higher costs on their payouts. But I will tell you, you and I can find lots of agreement there. More competition is better and let's, you know, get, let's, let's increase.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I don't want to get too into macro because I think that it's.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

Unfortunate to be pointing fingers and trying to decide if, you know, who's doing what. I think what I'd like to see is people work together to figure out how we can give America the kind of affordable economy they want. And I think there are lots of people that, whether they have a Republican or Democrat by their name that are willing to work on affordability by increasing supply and increasing competition and realizing that companies and corporate profits, they're part of the solution, not part of the problem.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Listen, I am right there with you on that last question. I believe the economy is fairly strong at this point in history. Am I wrong?

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

So we're in a really tricky spot in the economy. It is not weak when people say, oh, look, the economy is weak, but it does look like it could be at an inflection point in which it is weakening.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right. But this is point you think it might be weakening. See, I don't see what, what, what.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

I see in the labor market is I do see that, you know, you said Donald Trump wants to turn us away from the service economy.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right.

[Dr. Betsy Stevenson]

Right now all the job hiring is occurring in two major services, health and education services and tourism, even business and professional services. No jobs. And so.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, but that's why he's bringing those manufacturing or hoping that he can get that manufacturing thing back to give the union workers more option which drives salaries up. Very good, doctor, Very good discussion and I appreciate your time very much. Hope you have Merry Christmas out there in Ann Arbor. Say hello to everybody for me. I'm sure I have a lot of fans out there. Thank you very much. All right, ICE update, New Orleans.

Governor Landry, who's a good guy, I like him, of Louisiana, asked for Homeland Security come in and weed out these criminal aliens that are just terrorizing the Big Easy. And they're doing it.

So they've got at Least a dozen really heinous illegal migrants who are committing crime after crime after crime. But I wanted to give you an update. We're watching that situation that is active right now. Now I'm going to go back to the Harvard poll because it did ask a question about illegal migration. The question is, do you support deporting immigrants who are here legally and have committed crimes? 80 yes.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

So overwhelmingly Americans want these thugs out. The problem is that it's not easy to get them. And I'm writing my message of the day tomorrow on billoriley.com so first thing when you get up, punch that up and you'll see how hard it is for Homeland Security to get to lineate the really bad guys from the, you know, people just trying to make a living. All right, New York Times, you know, I feel about that. But they wrote an article on Sunday. It said, Joe Biden's team, they don't really define. Biden himself.

Knew that the open border was a disaster, yet refused to do anything about it. That's the essence of the article. Now, his team, you don't know these people, but it's Ron Klain, Mike Donilon, Anita Dunn, on and on and on. And they were running the country. Not Joe Biden, but a guy who's on this and really has a lot of good information is John Solomon. You know him. He's the editor in chief of Just the News. And he comes to us now from Washington. So I can't take anything out of any newspaper now. Anyone. There isn't a newspaper in the United States that I can just say, oh, I think this is true. I have to run it through my confirmation mill and have my people investigate. So when you heard about the New York Times and read the piece, what was your impression?

[John Solomon]

Well, listen, I think it is truncated in history, which is. All right, there was a problem in 2020 and it's all Joe Biden's fault that Donald Trump's effort to secure the border and get violent criminals out of the country is popular now. But it misses the point. Barack Obama tried this and a decade ago and it's what gave rise to President Trump's success in 2016. Remember, build the Wall was his champ and Americans voted for that. So legal immigration isn't a Joe Biden figment. It has been a 20 year objective of the Democratic Party and it's very clear what the objective is. The more non citizens that Democrats can bring into the country, the more they can win the apportionment war. And this isn't me speaking. This are the data experts seeking. The left leaning center for Immigration Studies estimates Democrats get at least 14 more seats in the US House because of non citizens. And some of the conservative groups have that number at double because they're taking a look at some of the illegal immigrants.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And that assumes when they get the right to vote, when they become naturalized, right?

[John Solomon]

Yeah, it affects apportionment. Right. You get representation based on it and you get federal funds based on.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So you believe John Solomon, brilliant guy, believes that when Biden was elected and brought in all these people to help him, all of them liberal, that the plan was to just flood the zone with undocumented migrants to help the Democratic Party get stronger.

[John Solomon]

That's what you believe, by the way. It's just not my opinion. I've actually interviewed Democrats who say that's been their 20 year strategy that they could.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I'm not interested in them, I'm interested in you. Okay, so that's what you believe now?

[John Solomon]

That's what my reporting shows, yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

According to New York Times, these people had conferences that they disco this is not working out and then they didn't do anything about it. Do you believe that?

[John Solomon]

No, but. Well, they might have had conferences to raise, complain. They could have solved this in 20 minutes as President Trump showed. Right. It took less than a month to shut the border off. It wasn't that hard. It isn't rocket science the Democrats like to profess. They like to solve the problem while letting it continue because it's in their political interest to do so. This goes all the way back to the Clinton Gore years. I remember in 1996 you were having the start of your great show and Clinton was trying to rush a whole bunch of citizens ahead of the normal Schedule and around the regular rules to get more citizens so they could register them to vote for Democrats.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't think there's any dispute about. I've never heard anybody dispute that theory. Yeah, well, I shouldn't say that there are some radicals that are never going to tell the truth. But you know what was missing in the New York Times article was Biden's input.

[John Solomon]

Yeah. No fair comment from him. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They basically like is this guy even in the, in the building?

[John Solomon]

Yeah. What do you think of that? Well, listen, it is the narrative that suddenly the left has. The left told us for four years when he was in office he's totally fine. Until they bounced him out of office. Cuz he wasn't totally fine. Our eyes told us that he wasn't crooked until Hunter Biden had to admit that he was running a crooked sham and cheating on his taxes. They protected Joe Biden and now they're just throwing him under the bunce by pretending he's irrelevant. That he actually leaning into the narrative that he wasn't in charge. This story basically is written as though Joe Biden wasn't in charge. He had no say that he was.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right. He wasn't even involved with any of the discussions about his own policy of open borders. I mean it's really, and I think it's true.

[John Solomon]

Classic, classic.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I have said from the very beginning, I don't think the man was in charge from day one. I think after he was inaugurated he zipped on over there and he took a nap and that nap lasted four years. That's what I think.

[John Solomon]

It sure feels that way. Yeah. There's a lot of evidence to that now. And meanwhile, the influx of this system that they allowed to happen, first, it's creating a very strong popularity push for President Trump on security issues. But secondly, it gives us things like the Minnesota Somali immigrant fraud crisis, which could be one of the largest fraudulent crises in America. It is. And why does Tim Waltz want that? He wants he'll let those immigrants stay and take as much money as they can because it gives me more clout. He doesn't care.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wall Street Journal had the best quote on it. This is their business model. Democratic Party, we don't care. Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend. Last question for you, John. So the immigration problem helped Donald Trump when he stopped the border cold.

[John Solomon]

Yep.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Helped him. And then when he said we're going to get all the criminal aliens out of here, that helped him. Two for two. But then some so called peaceful migrants got caught up in the raids.

[John Solomon]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And the Left went wild.

[John Solomon]

That's it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

In your opinion, that video of the people being swept in by ice and I talked to Saholman about this in the town hall we did at Kennedy center in D.C. is that going to hurt Trump in the midterms?

[John Solomon]

Not if he continues to focus on the vast majority of people. You have to fight this with statistics. And one of the things that Trisha McLaughlin, the Assistant Secretary for Homeland Security for Public affairs, is doing such a great job, is debunking now in real time, these fake stories. Oh, they went after a woman and raided a school. No, she ran into the school, but she was a felon. They're debunking these stories in real time. I'm out now. I have a TV crew out that's actually filming the immigration officers like it was a show of cops. And what do you see every day all over the country? Florida, Texas, California. They're everywhere. And we're covering it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Just like when you get that together, please come back and I will. I'm going to signal my producer now. We're going to try to get Ms. McLaughlin for Monday.

[John Solomon]

She's fantastic because she debunked her.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I've seen her on stage.

[John Solomon]

She does the facts. And facts are a stubborn thing. But what you see in these planning they're going after, they have a sheet and they know that there are bad people that are in this building now. There might be innocent people, just like when you raid a drug house or when you raid Enron. There were good people at Enron. There were crooked people at Enron. You're temporarily going to sweep up good people when you have a mass raid. But then what happens to the good people? They get sent a citation. The bad people get put in handcuffs and they get deported quickly. And I think the administration just needs to keep. They just need to keep telling that story because it's factually true.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, you tell her, you know, I hope she doesn't dodge me. You know, some people do there, John. I'm so charming, I could never figure it out.

[John Solomon]

But you know what? You're about the facts. And that she's going to love you because you're about the facts.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You care about facts, that's for sure. You have a nice Christmas, John. Thank you for helping us.

[John Solomon]

Good to be with you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Thank you. Right. All right. Media Madness. Jimmy Kimmel. Disney extends his contract a year. This deal was made before.

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[Sean Spicer]

Hey, it's Sean Spicer reminding you to tune in to the Sean Spicer show every weeknight right here. You're not going to want to miss our analysis. Whether it's the media, politics, campaigns, the upcoming midterms, Supreme Court rulings, we've got it all covered for you with the best guests in politics, the pundits, the pollsters, members of the House of Representatives, members of the Senate, candidates running for both and key members of President Trump's administration. You're not going to want to miss it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So Kimmel's in for about 15 million. I don't think they're paying him that much, but he's going to be around for a year. And this is, you know, Disney Corporation, which despises Donald Trump. That's an in your face. That's why that happened. Kimmel averages about 1.85 viewers a night, below 2 million. Just keep in mind, when I left the O'Reilly Factor in 2017.

I was doing 4.3 million a night.

That was just for one run. And then at the second run at 11, I did 2 million more. That's 6 million watching on a daily basis. No one will ever come close to that number, but it's interesting to compare. So Jimmy Kimmel does 1.85. That's how many people watch him. Anderson Cooper apparently re signed with CNN. The rumor was he was making 18 million. That rumor was not true. I figure him for about 12 million. Now, Anderson Cooper's audience is about 650,000 a night. Again, I'll tell you, 6 million watched me at 8:00 clock and that's where Anderson is. And 600,000. So 10 times as many. Now CNN is going to be sold. They're fighting about it now. They needed Anderson. They need to keep a structure at CNN now just on a holding mechanism until the new people come in and decide what they want to do. Here's a really disturbing story.

There is a woman named Jennifer Welsh who's a far left loon. On the Internet we don't pay attention to loons. But she's there. Erica Kirk is now trying to get attention for a book. So she goes on.

With Andrew Ross Sorkin and says this go.

[Jennifer Welch]

He became more conservative, as did I once getting married because you want a country that's for your children, that they're not renters of everything. They actually own property. They own land they. They're invested in this country. They're proud to be a citizen. They're. They're proud of. Of what they've built and what their family has built. And. And so hand in hand, him and I both were able to see that on full display. And that's why he would tell so many young people get married and have children. And it wasn't because he was trying to be misogynistic or anything from that nature.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He, Ma', am, it's not misogynistic to you. Suggests that marriage might be a good thing, but it is to Jennifer Welch. Roll it.

[Commentator on Jennifer Welch]

This is a. An intentional attack on poor women, and this is a dehumanization, all done in the name of her Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, which is the exact opposite of what the central character of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is intentional weaponization of her gender and her f. Faith. And this. She is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes. Look at the costume changes. Look at the affect and how she does that. It's. While this woman should be kicked to the curb, she is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Doesn't get more vile than that. Now, those kinds of people hurt every liberal in this country.

Most liberals would never say anything like that. But the extremism on the left has really damaged the liberal movement and Democratic Party because of her.

And on the same subject, Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas, says she's going to run for the the Senate. No chance she could win. She'll get wiped out by Ted Cruz. Here's what I said on News Nation last night. I don't subscribe.

As Mr. Trump does to, you know, trying to belittle whoever he doesn't like. And he does it to me, too. So I'm used to it for 35 years. But I'll tell you what, I follow Congresswoman Crockett a bit because she's very entertaining, only for entertaining value. All right? I have not heard her say anything about solving any problem that makes sense. Not one thing. Not one problem. Her whole reputation is hating Trump. Right. Back with the final thought. All right, Final thought of the day. The post office is over.

Denmark after the Christmas season. Stopping mail delivery. No Country Farm in and out to some private company. That will happen in the USA.

The US Post Office loses $9 billion a year. Nine billion because everybody's texting and emailing me. I'm sending the card, putting a stamp on it. Sending it old school. I think that's the way to go. Text, all right. But a real card. That's the way. Thank you for watching and listening to the no Spin News. I'll see you tomorrow.