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Bill O'Reilly
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James Comer
So I'm a little skeptical here because I follow you very closely and your hearings and I have not seen the cliche smoking gun. If it went into his pocket, Biden didn't put it on his tax returns. You know that. I don't know where that money would have wound up. Can you tell me?
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Tony Bobulinski
I can. So there were two payments that went directly to Joe Biden from the influence peddling schemes. Both payments came through a laundered process. The money from China started out as the $5 million wire. That was the wire where Hunter Biden sent the WhatsApp message, where he said, my father sitting beside me, it was just weeks after he left the vice presidency and said, we expect those commitments to be fulfilled. So there was evidence of Hunter with his father, according to Hunter, sitting beside him, demanding that the Chinese comply with whatever deal they made while Joe Biden was vice president. Days later, a $5 million wire went through a series of shell companies. One company that I said was not a shell, but it was a corrupt company was Hunter's law firm. Even though he didn't practice law, it was his professional LLC. That LLC then took a fee out of that $5 million transaction. That fee was for $400,000. And then money, that $400,000 started going down through a series of money laundering. And the bank suspicious activity report flagged them as this is a money laundering scheme. There's money being laundered through shell companies. And it ends up the last incremental payment goes to Joe Biden for $40,000. That ironically is 10% of Hunter's $400,000. Now, Tony Bobulinski is the one that said 10% for the big guy. Tony Bobulinski came in for both a deposition and a committee hearing. And in the committee hearing, he cited that $40,000 payment and he said that was the 10%. That was what that deal was supposed to be, he said. But what I learned, what Tony, Bob and Linsky learned was it wasn't a legitimate business deal when he signed up to be a part of that. He thought it was Really? A deal. A real energy company in China. But what he realized was there was no deal. It was just a bribe. That's what Tony Bobulinski said under oath. A bribe to Joe Biden.
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James Comer
But where did the money go? All right, so Biden gets 40k in his suitcase in cash. You put it under his bed. Where'd it go?
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Tony Bobulinski
It was a. It was a check that was deposited into his Joe Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. Checking account. Then there was another payment. Bill.
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James Comer
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So he puts a check in the payment in his. In his checking account. The IRS is flagged on that. Anything over 10K. All right, so it goes in. Biden doesn't have that on his tax return, does he?
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Tony Bobulinski
No.
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James Comer
Oh, that's a felony.
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Tony Bobulinski
He disclosed his taxes. We did. We subpoenaed the bank records. Not of Joe Biden. We couldn't get those because he was sitting president, United States. But we subpoenaed the bank records of the shell companies and of Jim Biden. So the next payment came from a scheme called AmeriCorps Health. This was a Jim Biden deal. That $40,000 that ended up in Joe's account was from the China deal through Hunter. The next one, which was a larger one, was for $200,000. It was a scheme through a domestic scheme called AmeriCorps Health through Jim Biden. And it was supposedly a loan from. From AmeriCorps Health, a loan made to Jim Biden for $600,000. A loan that he never repaid, he never paid any interest on. And, you know, the loan was made right before the company filed bankruptcy. So the. The. Of that 3 of that $600,000, it was laundered through a series of shells to. It went to Jim and Sarah Biden, who both got pardons, their personal account. And then they turn around and write Joe Biden a check for $200,000. And it says in the memo line, loan repayment. Well, we caught this, and the media said, oh, it was a loan. It was a loan repayment. I was like, how do you know it's a loan repayment? They said, because it says it on the memo line, loan repayment. But, Bill, if I loan you $200,000 and you pay me back $200,000, you should have evidence that I first loaned you $200,000. The original never produced any evidence. And he tried to say both payments were loan repayments that he though.
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James Comer
I mean, look, it's got to be a contract. And there's no.
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Tony Bobulinski
There was no contract.
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James Comer
But let me stop you there. So now you're on the committee now, and you're not going to walk away from this. You're still investigating. All you gotta do is hand this over to the irs, because as I said, none of this appears on Joe Biden's tax returns. All right? So if he gets 40k in his personal account and doesn't declare it as income, that's a felony. If he gets a repayment of a loan that wasn't even made, that's fraud.
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Tony Bobulinski
That fraud.
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James Comer
So the IRS is the. And you know, you know that under the Biden administration that kind of investigated, but now under the Trump investigation, this doesn't seem like a complicated process. You hand over that to the irs, they do due diligence for a month or two, and then you go, the FBI goes to the Biden house in Delaware and arrests them. Where am I going wrong?
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Tony Bobulinski
No, you're absolutely right. And, and because of the investigation, those two Irish whistleblowers came forward, Joseph Ziegler and Gary Shapley. They knew about a lot of this because they were investigating the entire Biden family.
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James Comer
Sure. But that's all I want to move it ahead. I know Garland and the IRS under Joe Biden, they're not going to do any of this. Now, I don't know if Donald Trump has a heart for this. I don't know. He's been asked a couple of times, look, are you going to go after Joe Biden criminally on these situations, but understanding what Trump himself went through in the whole process of everybody coming after him, number one, the press is, if you ever did that, the IRS ever, you know, charged Joe Biden, press go nuts. It's Trump. It's Trump's vengeance. You know, you know what the thing would be. Okay, but have you spoken with the President about this? Do you know if he's going to aggressively go after Biden on these criminal charges?
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Tony Bobulinski
I struggle. I saw President Trump at Mar a Lago. There were some other committee chairs there a couple of weekends ago, and he talked, he came up to me and started talking about the investigation and said, you did a great job exposing the fraud in the schemes and all that. And I said, well, Mr. President, you know, the investigation's been done. I strongly encourage your administration to follow through and hold these people accountable. I said, you know, at the time, he had only pardoned Hard Hunter. I said, I fully expect him to pardon Jim Biden. Now, I was surprised that he pardoned the spouses because, Bill, the only place you Will find the name of the spouses involved in the scheme is in my book. And I think whoever read. They read my book, the Biden legal team, and encouraged Joe Biden to issue the pardons for the spouses, too, because there were 10 family members, including Joe Biden.
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James Comer
Well, they all filed joint tax returns. That's why they did that. So they had to, because all this money wasn't declared. And that's the crime. That's like Al Capone. They got him a tax evasion. It's the same exact thing. All right?
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Tony Bobulinski
And Bill, I come from a banking background, from a bank, a family that was involved in banking. I was the director of a bank for many years. And tax returns don't tell the true story. Bank records do. Bank records don't lie. People can cheat on their taxes. The way taxes are set up, they're set up to be manipulated, but you cannot lie on bank records. And the bank records showed where they were laundering money, and the banks caught them. So the private banks did everything right.
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James Comer
They signaled it. And look, the case is overwhelming at this point. The problem is whether the Trump IRS is gonna go after like they did go after Hunter. All right, Now Hunter's pardoned. They had him. The IRS got him. But the irs, it seems to me, if all of the things that you have written in your book, and I'm gonna mention it again, because if you want the details, Congressman Colmer has them. All the President's money by James Colmer. If the IRS goes after President Biden, even though these offenses were committed while he was vice president. Allegedly committed. All right. It's a. It's not a hard case to make, is it?
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Tony Bobulinski
No. No, it's not. And the Irish investigators, when they came forward, we had our committee hearing, they said they wanted to question Joe Biden because obviously the money was coming because of Joe Biden. Yeah, sure.
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James Comer
He was never going to do that. But now he's stripped of all protection.
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Tony Bobulinski
Right. And you got a new Irish commissioner, Billy Long. And you know, I hope that they do this, because if you look at what Hunter Biden was charged with in tax evasion, Bill, the IRS let a bunch of statute of limitations expire on some other tax charges.
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James Comer
Right. But this one, no, you're. It's in the zone. But anyway, keep us posted here. And if you don't think the Trump administration is doing what it should, you got to let me know. I mean, we're looking out for the country. You can't have a vice president or a president taking bribes.
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Tony Bobulinski
That's right.
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James Comer
So now there is allegations, there are allegations that Biden didn't know what he was signing when he made executive orders and auto pen. Now, it's insane because you see Trump every day signing executive orders, holding them up. Biden couldn't do that. An auto pan had to do it. Very strange. Worth investigating. Now, throughout history, beginning with Harry Truman, auto pens were used by presidents, but not on executive orders and laws and things like that. However, Edith Wilson signed her husband's name, Woodrow Wilson, to a whole bunch of very important documents because Woodrow had a stroke, couldn't do anything, and nobody knew about it. Confronting the presidents. You haven't read it, Shame on you. So Edith was actually running the government, but now we have auto pen running the government. Maybe. So an outfit that's looking at this very hard is the Heritage foundation based in D.C. and its chief counsel of the oversight project, Kyle Brosnan, joins us now from Washington. So how bad do you think this is?
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Kyle Brosnan
It's pretty bad, Bill. So zooming out a little bit. The Constitution vests powers of signing bills into law, issuing pardons, things like that, in one person and one person only, the President of the United States. And for things like pardons and spill signings, his physical signature is what authorizes or completes that process. And we have found evidence that President Biden did not hand sign multiple pardons and acts of clemency throughout his presidency, including the pardons of the January 6th committee members, Dr. Anthony Fauci, General Milley, and the pardon for the commutation for everyone on federal death row in the waiting days of his administration. And so it leads to a question. If you combine that with the practical issues of. Biden was clearly out of it. His mental faculties were diminishing throughout his presidency. It begs the question of who was running the country, who had authorization to sign these pardons, who had access to the autopen. And so we are uncovering multiple exercises of the pardon power, which only belongs to the President of the United States, that he did not hand sign those documents.
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James Comer
An argument might be made that he knew about the documents and was just too lazy to sign them.
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Kyle Brosnan
That, that may well be the case.
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James Comer
But.
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Kyle Brosnan
But we need to control, we need to understand who had access and control of that auto pet. And maybe there is a written trail of evidence of who of him authorizing those actions. But we've seen time and again throughout the last four years that the President Biden's mental capacity greatly diminished throughout his presidency. We saw the disastrous debate performance where he, he paused for over A minute. We saw gaff after gaffe on the media. And in speaking in public, we saw Special Counsel Robert Herr refuse to prosecute him in part because he is an elderly man with the poor memory. And so if he is too senile to see his day in court for mishandling classified documents, then there are serious questions as to his mental ability to execute his offices of the Presidency.
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James Comer
All right, so what if it comes to light that Biden didn't know about what he was signing or what the auto pen was signing and he had no interest in it and they just went out? There's no mechanism to reverse those orders, is there?
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Kyle Brosnan
Well, that's an open question. We're studying that here at the Oversight Project. Now we're engaging with legal scholars and continuing our research on that. But it's unprecedented here, generally speaking. You know, President Bush, for example, would, would have bills flown halfway around the world for him to sign here. But, but use of the auto pen to this scale to exercise a power that solely belongs to the President and cannot be legally delegated to anyone is unprecedented. So I think, I think the next step is to. Oh, it's terrifying.
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James Comer
Yeah. There's no doubt about it. And I've said this from the very beginning, he was not in charge. Let's look at the men who were in charge, and you give me a rundown of them. First one is Ron Klain, White House Chief of staff from 21 to 23. Klain had an enormous amount of influence in that White House, correct?
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Kyle Brosnan
Yes.
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James Comer
What's your assessment of him?
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Kyle Brosnan
So, I mean, you see the reports that President Biden kept a notoriously close circle. He had a number of consigliers throughout, you know, his, his political, his very long political career. One other person that may have had access to it is Neera Tanden. She served as what is, what is called the staff secretary, which is basically the nucleus of the White House. Any piece of paper that goes in front of the President, the staff secretary sees and sort of keeps the train running on time. And she served for a staff secretary for, I believe, two years during the Biden presidency, including times where we noticed that clemency warrants and pardons appear to have been auto pinned.
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James Comer
I don't think there's any doubt that she saw everything that went through the system. What I'm trying to get at, though, is Klain. Was his governing style different than Biden's? Was he far left? Was he a moderate Democrat? Or was he.
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Kyle Brosnan
Well, I think you saw a leftward turn during, during The Biden administration from, you know, ranging from their cabinet appointees to DEI policies, energy policies, you name it. You know, I think president Biden ran in 2020 as a moderating and uniting candidate. And then when he got into office, he veered the country sharply in the leftward direction.
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James Comer
Executive order was absolutely stunning. Second guy is Mike Donilon, senior adviser to Biden from 21 to 24. You know anything about him.
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Kyle Brosnan
Personally? No, other than public reports that he is a very, you know, close advisor to him. He's part of the Biden inner circle. You know, depending on what his position was in the White House, he may. He may have had access to the autopen. We were going to assume that there was some sort of policy governing this, and the individuals that had access pursuant to that policy are people that were likely need to be spoken to by investigators.
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James Comer
Yeah. All right. Because you got to run this down and see what the point of view of these people were. Now, Susan Rice is the next one, our National Security Advisor 13 to 17 under Barack Obama. She was in the White House all the time. She's a committed leftist, no doubt about that. And if there was a link to Barack Obama, she would be it. Because they're close friends, correct?
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Kyle Brosnan
That's right. She's a prominent force in the Obama White House. And in the Biden White House, she served as domestic policy advisor. And she played a big role in another investigation that we uncovered about the Biden administration's attempt to federalize elections and mobilize the weight of the federal government to support Democratic candidates.
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James Comer
Yeah, that if I'm you, I'm looking at Susan Rice real hard. Next guy is Jeff Zients, White f Chief of Staff 23 to 25. I don't know anything about him. Do you know anything about him?
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Kyle Brosnan
Well, he was Biden's original Covid czar when he first came into office. And we saw all the efforts from the Biden White House to censor any dissent about COVID and then was elevated to the chief of staff by the end. Here again, as chief of staff, he's side by side with the president all the time, Oftentimes, accesses, proxy and meetings and things like that. He has the potential to be a big player here as well. He would have been chief of staff when those auto penned pardons. In the waiting days of the administration for the January 6th committee, General Milley, Dr. Fauci and Biden family members were.
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James Comer
Issued those four individuals. I think we're running a country, but, you know, you really have to get in and bore down on what their agenda was, who they really are. And it's complicated. The final thing is, will the Heritage foundation file a lawsuit here? What's the end game for you guys?
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Kyle Brosnan
So we have submitted a follow up Freedom of Information act request to gather more information. We have the potential to sue for those FOIA requests if they're not answered and they don't follow the law. But we are in court on a number of cases concerning President Biden's mental acuity. And the most significant one on that is for the audio tape of Special Counsel her interview with President Biden.
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James Comer
Right.
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Kyle Brosnan
And in that interview, in that interview, President Biden forgot key details of his life, like when his son passed away, when he was vice president and other important details. And that interview is it formed the basis for Special Counsel her to determine that he was not going to try and prosecute President Biden. Elderly man with a.
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James Comer
Do you think you're going to get that?
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Kyle Brosnan
Who knows? You know, President Biden asserted executive privilege over those documents. The case has been pending and fully briefed since August. And the judge is asking for whether the new administration has a new policy here. But, you know, when, when, when the president asserts executive privilege, it's rare and it's a big deal. Unless we're continuing to.
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James Comer
Why don't you tell me what dark money is first? Simple. I'm a simple man. I have to be able to understand what dark money is.
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Tyler O'Neil
Yeah. Thanks, Bill. It's an honor to be here with you. Dark money just basically means it's funding that doesn't have to disclose who the donor is. So you have many sorts of nonprofits. Pretty much every nonprofit is technically a dark money group because they don't have to disclose their donors. Only in some certain circumstances do you have to disclose.
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James Comer
Do they get tax exemptions, these organizations?
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Tyler O'Neil
Yes. So tax exemption does not require you to disclose your donors, especially not publicly. And this is a fundamental First Amendment right that we have to support causes we believe in without fully disclosing who we are.
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James Comer
We can do it in the shadows. And that's legal? I don't think that should be legal. I think if you give a donation to a nonprofit political group that your name should be listed. Would you disagree with that?
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Tyler O'Neil
I think when it comes to public disclosure, we've seen situations where conservative groups, there have been videos, you know, video games or of people going into a conservative organization and shooting people up. I mean, the Southern Poverty Law center also put FRC on a hate map that led to a domestic Terrorist attack. So I think the ability to give privately is a good First Amendment protection.
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James Comer
Protection. Okay, valid point. Valid point. Now I'm gonna. I looked over your book. Didn't read it all because I didn't get it in time. But you zero in on a number of organizations on the left that you believe influenced President Biden to do things that were harmful to the country. All right, am I summing it up?
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Tyler O'Neil
Okay, 100%.
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James Comer
One of the first ones is the oil and gas industry. And we'll all remember that as soon as Biden got into office, he slapped a number of executive orders restrictions on oil and gas, and that led to prices at the gas pump and in the grocery stores and restaurants. Zooming up. So who was behind that?
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Tyler O'Neil
Many different groups. I mean, the Sierra Club is one of the biggest actors when it comes to the sue and settle strategy, which is a really noxious strategy by which these environmentalist activists essentially force the federal government to crack down on oil and gas. And of course, many of the federal agencies are staffed by environmentalists anyway. So the environmentalist group feeds its staffer into the administration. The administrative agency gets a lawsuit from the Sierra Club saying, crack down on oil and gas. Or else the agency wanted to do that anyway. So the agency says, oh, sure, we weren't following the law. We weren't being hard enough on oil and gas. They crack down on oil and gas. Sometimes they give a settlement to the nonprofit, too. So you have really this back scratching between these two.
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James Comer
Okay. And that's all driven by the global warming crew, Right. Climate change crew. They don't want the fossil fuels, so they're going to try to deemphasize them as well. And Biden buys into that almost immediately, correct?
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Tyler O'Neil
Oh, yes. And of course, if you look at the Inflation Reduction act, he. Before it passed, he said, oh, this was gonna bring down inflation. After it passed, he said it was the most historic investment in a generation in green energy. And so he tapped John Podesta, the founder of the center for American Progress and Hillary Clinton's former campaign chairman, to direct billions of dollars in federal government spending to his green cronies.
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James Comer
Okay, then you have gender ideology. This almost came out of nowhere. This trans stuff. It just kind of bam, right in. And you had a presidential candidate, Kamala Harris, saying, yeah, you know, if you're in jail or if you're an illegal alien and you want to change agenda, we'll pay for it. American workers will pay for it. How the heck could that happen?
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Tyler O'Neil
Yeah, so I think the Human Rights Campaign is the short answer to that question. This is a very influential group because of the ESG movement in capitalism. A lot of funders, a lot of venture capitalists said, we're not going to give money to companies unless they fit everything that the Human Rights Campaign does. So they have a corporate equality index for Biden. They released a blueprint, blueprint for positive change. The Biden administration followed 75%, implemented 75% of that blueprint. So I call it the Biden Equality Index. And I go through every single thing in my book. I did all the research to show how the Human Rights Campaign was calling the shots.
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James Comer
Why woke? Why trans so few of them, you know, with 340 million people here, and this becomes the headline that we gotta do this and kids can do it and everything else. Why did they pick them? What was that all about?
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Tyler O'Neil
It throws society into confusion. It divides people. It undermines people's trust in their own ability to think. And I mean, that's one of the main issues here, is we have the WOKE elites pushing their agenda on the American people.
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Kyle Brosnan
And.
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Tyler O'Neil
And most people, they're like, if somebody is struggling, they want to have compassion. So you hear, oh, somebody's confused about their gender. I don't want to be mean to them. But at the same time, these policies make women unsafe in their private spaces. They make things unfair.
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James Comer
Sure. The unintended consequences on the athletic field and everywhere else. Now, final question for you, Tyler. And it's a good book. And it's woke to puss. That's better. I can finally pronounce it. Woke to puss. And it's something you guys should consider getting. Do you think Biden knew what he was doing signing all of this insanity that it just unraveled the American government to the extent where the incoming administration has spent all of its time, 100% of his time, just trying to get the insanity out. Do. Do you think Biden knew what he was doing when he signed these eos?
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Tyler O'Neil
That's an excellent question. I think the WOKE activist groups in the woktopus knew what they were doing.
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James Comer
And so they absolutely knew. But were they taking advantage of an infirm man?
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Tyler O'Neil
Oh, absolutely, they were taking advantage of him. But I also think he thought that this is where the Democratic Party is. He always goes to where he thinks the center of the Democratic Party is. And the Democratic Party has moved so far off the reservation that this ideology, this woke enforcement of their views on the rest of us. You got to remember, one of the groups in my book is the Southern Poverty Law center, which raises money by comparing conservatives to domestic terrorists. To the Ku Klux Klan.
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James Comer
Yeah, I know.
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Tyler O'Neil
And they were brought into the Biden White House.
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Bill O'Reilly
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