No Spin News Special: O’Reilly in China

Summary

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Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News Special: O’Reilly in China

Date: December 26, 2025
Host: Bill O’Reilly
Featured Guest: Victor Davis Hanson (Hoover Institution)

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Episode Overview

This “No Spin News Special” features Bill O’Reilly’s account of his recent trip to Beijing, China, where, at the invitation of the Chinese government, he conducted a high-level seminar with government officials concerned about a second Trump administration. O’Reilly shares insights from both the on-the-ground experience in China and closed-door discussions with officials. The episode’s core is a frank assessment of U.S.-China relations, the growing tensions over Taiwan, and O’Reilly’s “Partnership for Peace and Prosperity” proposal for bilateral cooperation. Victor Davis Hanson provides expert historical and strategic context on the evolving U.S.-China dynamic.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. China’s Surveillance State and O’Reilly’s Invitation ([01:13]-[05:31])

• Surveillance in China: O’Reilly describes how the Chinese government was immediately aware of his travel plans, discovering his intention to visit China via his Four Seasons hotel reservation across from the U.S. Embassy.

  “China is the most intense surveillance state this world has ever seen by far.” (Bill O’Reilly, [01:50])

• Harvard Connections: Chinese officials routinely monitor Harvard Kennedy School alums due to the prestige afforded to their own government officials experienced at Harvard.
• Purpose of the Visit: O’Reilly accepted Beijing’s invitation to conduct a Q&A seminar with officials anxious about the potential return of President Trump. All discussions were off the record and videotaped for internal Chinese review.

  “My job is to look out for you by being a journalist and assembling facts and also to look out for my country.” (Bill O’Reilly, [02:16])

2. O’Reilly’s Proposal: Partnership for Peace and Prosperity ([03:10]-[06:40])

• Surprising the Chinese: O’Reilly pitched a novel “Partnership for Peace and Prosperity” between the U.S. and China for global stability.

  “If the United States and China were to ally together and control the crazies of the world... that would be an unbelievable thing.” (Bill O’Reilly, [03:41])

• Mutual Interests: Emphasizing a need for cooperation to manage threats such as Iran, Putin, North Korea, and to foster economic stability.
• Americans’ Apathy: O’Reilly laments that most Americans don’t appreciate the central importance of U.S.-China relations compared to celebrity gossip.

  “What happens with the United States and China will influence how much money you get and how much money you will keep. And it is a life and death situation.” (Bill O’Reilly, [04:13])

• Trump Briefing: O’Reilly debriefed President Trump after the trip but doesn’t divulge details due to the off-the-record nature ([05:15]).

3. The Taiwan Flashpoint ([08:11]-[12:10])

• Top Concern: For China, Taiwan’s status remains the most critical issue. O’Reilly is direct about U.S. consequences should China try to invade.

  “The United States government under President Trump... is not going to let you invade Taiwan and take it over without a brutal, and I mean that literally, a brutal reprisal.” (Bill O’Reilly, [08:35])

• Chinese View of U.S. Leadership: O’Reilly notes officials’ disregard for President Biden—calling him “weak and unfocused”—and their preference for dealing with Trump, expecting deal-making.
• Realities of Trade: O’Reilly observes a lack of American cars in China and Japan, evidence of unresolved trade barriers despite tariff debates.

4. Life Under Communism, Chinese Public, & Historical Analogy ([10:30]-[12:45])

• No Culture of Freedom: O’Reilly draws parallels between colonial America and present-day China, claiming Chinese citizens have never truly known freedom.

  “When you are born in China, you get an ID card... If you don't have it and the authorities stop you, you're arrested. Every Chinese has to carry an ID card every second of every day.” (Bill O’Reilly, [11:20])

• Small Former Freedoms: Anecdote about his pens being confiscated at security—emphasizing arbitrary control.

5. The Path Forward on Taiwan ([12:46]-[13:55])

• 2049 as a Target: Discusses China’s goal to consolidate Taiwan by the 100th anniversary of Mao’s takeover, but believes some autonomy deal could avert conflict if carefully negotiated.

  “They're going to have to carve out autonomy for Taiwan for the West to go along with it. It's doable. Hard, very hard.” (Bill O’Reilly, [13:33])

6. Listener Mailbag: Skepticism & Clarifications ([13:56]-[15:38])

• Skepticism of China: Listener Richard questions trusting China, likening O’Reilly’s idea to “one world government.”

  “If you want to be a pinhead and say we're not dealing with the Chinese because we don't trust them, then you're going to have World War 3 come in, get ready, get your food, get your bunker.” (Bill O’Reilly, [14:27])

• Taiwan’s Fate: Nancy from California asks if O’Reilly is “willing to sell out Taiwan.” He insists he seeks arrangements to avert war, not “selling out” anyone.

  “Not selling out anybody. I'm trying to get an arrangement. I'm trying to avert World War 3.” (Bill O’Reilly, [14:55])

7. U.S.-China Relations: Victor Davis Hanson’s Analysis ([16:46]-[21:31])

• Comparisons with the Cold War: Hanson highlights major differences from the Soviet era—extensive U.S.-China exchanges (students, trade) contrast with the Soviet era’s isolation.

  “We had no Soviet students here. We had no trade agreements. It was a cold war.” (Victor Davis Hanson, [16:52])

• Engagement Hasn’t Worked: Past U.S. policies hoping China would liberalize via engagement have failed.

  “That’s not happening.” (Bill O’Reilly, [18:15]) “No, it’s not happening. So I think the Trump position was that we had given them a sense of appeasement or laxity and our magnanimity was reciprocated by aggression.” (Victor Davis Hanson, [18:16])

• Xi Jinping’s Taiwan Focus: The strategic centrality of Taiwan in Xi’s legacy and party policy.
• Prospects for a Deal: Both agree China’s economic struggles give the U.S. leverage for constructive negotiations, particularly with a growing, ambitious middle class pressuring the government.

8. Hard-Nosed Diplomacy: The Seminar Room & Fentanyl ([21:31]-[22:56])

• The Seminar: O’Reilly’s Q&A focused more on Trump than on historical analysis, reflecting Chinese officials’ priorities.

  “They’re interested in Trump.” (Bill O’Reilly, [21:31])

• Fentanyl: O’Reilly demanded real action on stopping fentanyl exports as a key U.S. concern and a necessary step for progress.

  “First thing you have to do is knock out the fentanyl… I don’t want to hear precursor… Give President Trump that. That’s where you start.” (Bill O’Reilly, [21:37])

• China’s Alliances: Warned that cozying up to Russia or Iran damages China’s reputation and global standing.

  “If you’re going to consort with bad guys... that’s the label you’re going to get. Why do you need it? It doesn’t help you.” (Bill O’Reilly, [22:44])

9. Great Power Triangulation and Challenges of Dictatorship ([22:56]-[24:10])

• Triangular Diplomacy: Hanson describes China’s effort to stay equally distant from the U.S. and Russia, but ideological rigidity—unlike Putin’s opportunism—makes true compromise difficult.

10. Prognosis & Presidential Diplomacy ([24:10]-[25:47])

• No Love for Putin or Iran: Chinese officials are not particularly invested in Russia or Iran, but current alignments are unstable.
• Trade Negotiations: O’Reilly briefly recounts negotiation summaries and President Trump’s optimism, while he maintains a cautiously neutral stance.

  “I’m not so optimistic. I’m neutral, not pessimistic.” (Bill O’Reilly, [25:33])

• Chinese Diplomacy’s Toughness: O’Reilly underscores the seriousness and resolve of his government interlocutors.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On U.S.-China relations as the central story:
  “Most Americans do not know that China and the United States is the most important story by far in the world… It is a life and death situation.”
  — Bill O’Reilly, [04:00]-[04:18]

• On Chinese attitudes toward Biden vs. Trump:
  “The Chinese government had no use for Biden at all. Calling him weak and unfocused... they're happy Trump's in there because they think they might be able to get some deals out of this.”
  — Bill O’Reilly, [08:53]

• On daily life under Chinese surveillance:
  “When you are born in China, you get an ID card… If you don't have it and the authorities stop you, you're arrested.”
  — Bill O’Reilly, [11:20]

• On the futility of naive engagement with China:
  “The view... that the more engagement you have with China they were going to be impressed with American culture... That's not happening.”
  — Victor Davis Hanson, [18:00]-[18:15]

• On American leverage:
  “China has to feed 1.5 billion. They're hurting, okay? Their economy needs the United States. That is the big leverage we have over them.”
  — Bill O’Reilly, [19:53]

• On China’s reputation and alliances:
  “If you're going to consort with bad guys, evil guys, and that's what the label you're going to get, why do you need it? You don't need it. It doesn't help you.”
  — Bill O’Reilly, [22:44]

Lighter Moment

• On Chinese security and travel:
  “They confiscated two of my pens for no reason. Woman was about 22, goes, I'm taking your pens in Chinese… I said, why? I'm a journalist. What am I going to write with?”
  — Bill O’Reilly, [11:40]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• O’Reilly’s China invitation, surveillance state analysis: [01:13]-[03:10]
• Peace & Prosperity Partnership proposal: [03:10]-[05:35]
• Discussion of briefing President Trump: [05:35]-[06:40]
• Taiwan as China’s top issue: [08:11]-[08:55]
• Description of daily Chinese surveillance: [10:50]-[11:40]
• Historical analogy: China & colonial America: [11:00]-[12:10]
• Mailbag criticisms & O’Reilly’s responses: [13:46]-[15:38]
• Victor Davis Hanson interview begins: [16:46]
• O’Reilly on economic leverage: [19:37]-[20:14]
• Fentanyl, alliances with Russia and Iran: [21:31]-[22:56]
• Discussion of Chinese triangulation in diplomacy: [22:56]-[24:10]
• Closing trade negotiation update: [24:10]-[25:47]

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Summary

This special episode offers a rare, candid account of O’Reilly’s high-level, off-the-record talks in Beijing, highlighting his personal impressions of China’s surveillance society and the strategic anxieties shaping the CCP’s view of future U.S. administrations. He proposes an ambitious bilateral “Partnership for Peace and Prosperity,” contends with listeners’ skepticism, and presses China on key issues like Taiwan and fentanyl. Victor Davis Hanson’s analysis situates the current moment within the longer arc of U.S. foreign policy, cautioning that past engagement has not led to hoped-for liberalization. Throughout, the dialogue maintains O’Reilly’s signature direct style, mixing wry anecdotes with sober warnings about the stakes of U.S.-China relations and the dangers of misunderstanding or inaction.

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Transcript

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[Bill O'Reilly]

So I got a call, I don't know, six weeks ago from a friend of mine at Harvard, and he said, you're going to China? And I said, yeah, how do you know? And he said, because the Chinese government just called me. Now, why would they do that? Because Beijing puts a lot of people in the Kennedy School at Harvard, where I received a master's degree, and they do a lot of business, China with Harvard. Very prestigious for a Chinese government official to attend Harvard University. So they keep an eye on things. And they knew that I was an alumni. Now, how did they know I was going to China? Because I made a reservation at the Four Seasons Hotel across an American embassy. And everybody who's from America that goes in there, the Chinese government knows within two hours. Isn't that interesting? China is the most intense surveillance state this world has ever seen by far. And I document that in my column. And again, I hope you, you read it. So anyway, the offer was we would like Mr. O'Reilly to come to Beijing to do a seminar, a question and answer with some Chinese government officials who are very worried about the second Trump administration. So I said, okay, because that's my job, right? My job is to look out for you by being a journalist and assembling facts and also to look out for my country. So I'm going in. And I did. It worked out great. The Chinese are very, very respectful to me. And the rules were simple. Everything was off the record in the sense that no quotations and no names mentioned except mine, which is all right with me. They videotaped the Entire as close to two hours. But if they use it, any of it, then I get to use it, too. That's the deal we have. And I do believe they will adhere to that deal. The reason they taped it was there were even bigger shots watching this on closed circuit. Okay? Now, when I go in, I tell the truth, but I was not as bellicose as I can be, and I told them I wouldn't be. I said, I'm not here to debate you on policy. That's not what I'm here to do. You want to know something about the USA or President Trump? I will answer your question. If I don't know the answer, I will tell you. But I'm not debating. So tariffs and all that. Not my job to debate. My job is to tell you what's happening in America, which I did. They accepted that, and they asked good questions. But it took a turn when I said, I have a proposal for you, which I've been working on for a while, and it's called the Partnership for Peace and Prosperity between the United States and China. And I laid it out, and they were stunned. I said, if the United States and China were to ally together and control the crazies of the world. Iran, Putin, other insane things, North Korea, if we were to establish an economic partnership that led to stability, that would be an unbelievable thing. Now, most Americans do not know that China and the United States is the most important story by far in the world. You mentioned China. Their eyes glaze over. They don't pay attention. They want to hear about Puff Daddy. They don't know. This is by far the most important story for you, because what happens with the United States and China will influence how much money you get and how much money you will keep. And it is a life and death situation. Again, it is not my job to make policy for the Trump administration, but I laid out a pathway where both countries could work together. I did inform President Trump I was going. And yesterday I debriefed him for 30 minutes on the telephone. That was off the record. I cannot tell you what I said, but he got pretty much everything you're going to get, okay? Including the columns. And the president listened very intently and asked very good questions, which he always does when I talk to him. And I'm not patronizing anybody. I'm telling you the truth. Anyway, by far, the most important thing to the Chinese government is Taiwan. Let's face it. The US Economy is under stress, national debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and Stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free. With billions in precious metals delivered, thousands of five star reviews and an A plus from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text Bill to 998-899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text Bill to 998-899. So good, so good, so good.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Not the tariffs and not the day to day. You violated this. You can't have Chinese students. This is that. Now all of that can be taken care of. Taiwan is the big one. And I basically said after they came at me with Taiwan, I said, look, the United States government under President Trump is, is not going to let you invade Taiwan and take it over without a brutal, and I mean that literally, a brutal reprisal. Donald Trump does not want to look like a weakling. He doesn't want to look like President Biden. And this was interesting. The Chinese government had no use for Biden at all. Calling him weak and unfocused. No use. They're happy Trump's in there because they think they might be able to get some deals out of this. Now, when I was driving around China because we went up to the Great Wall and all the Pictures are on billorilly.com I didn't see one American car. My son saw a couple. I didn't see any in Japan. I didn't see any in South Korea. So that whole tariff thing is real. There are no cars for Americans in there. And China's 1.5 billion people, five times our population. Now, a lot. I'm going to read you some questions coming up. A lot of people don't understand why the Chinese people allow this surveillance communist state because they have never for one day known freedom in their entire history. China has never known a day of Freedom. It's exactly the same thing in the revolutionary war. And 50% of the colonists, the Americans, supported the king. It drove George Washington crazy. And John Hancock and Samuel Adams, they couldn't get the Tories. They were called to support the revolution because those people never knew a day of freedom. They were under the king in England. They come over here. I got freedom. What's freedom? In Beijing, the concept is just, you know, they don't have a free press. They don't see every single thing is controlled. When you are born in China, you get an ID card, okay? You have to carry the ID card in your diaper, okay? If you don't have it and the authorities stop you, you're arrested. Every Chinese has to carry an ID card every second of every day. And that's just the start of it. They confiscated two of my pens for no reason. Woman was about 22, goes, I'm taking your pens in Chinese. I had a translator, I said, why? I'm a journalist. What am I going to write with? Took the pen for no reason and that small ball. But just give you an idea. So anyway, on the Taiwan thing, I gave them, I said, this can be worked out. The year 2049 is the 100th anniversary of Mao Zedong's takeover. Communist takeover. That's when the government wants Taiwan in the fold. But they're going to have to carve out autonomy for Taiwan for the west to go along with it. It's doable. Hard, very hard. Tariffs are hard. All of this is hard. Okay, so I got a bunch of mail. Richard, Chinese government not trustworthy. Okay? They've been lying, cheating and stealing for decades. I find it interesting that you would propose a deal that would allow them to jointly police the world. Your proposal sounds a lot like a one world government laid out in the Book of Revelations. Okay, look, Richard, if you want to be a pinhead and say we're not dealing with the Chinese because we don't trust them, then you're going to have World War 3 come in, get ready, get your food, get your bunker. Barry. Taiwan will make or break point of closure, cooperation between China and usa. Their enthusiastic response for you when you said a closer partnership may be necessary was a good sign. I live in Saipan. That's Japan territory. Barry, I don't know if they were enthusiastic about me, but they weren't bored. They listened. Nancy California, during your recent trip to China, you spoke with the heads of the Chinese Communist Party in an effort to obtain a close relationship with the US Stated, the Chinese wanted most was the annexation of Taiwan, which is a free country. Are you willing to sell out Taiwan? Not selling out anybody. I'm trying to get an arrangement. I'm trying to avert World War 3. That's what I'm trying to do. Arrangement could be made. Andrea Malcuso, Carrollton, Texas. Regarding your off the record trip to China, you allowed to discuss the Q and A with President Trump? No, I don't. When I talked to the president, this, you know, I said, this is off the record. This was off the record. Now, the Chinese knew I was talking to Trump because I told them that up top. I tell everybody up front, they knew. I said, what happens here is going back to him. Richard, I thank God every day I was born in the usa greatest country. Fortunately, a politician, radical activist in the country would love to have totalitarianism. China is not the only country guilty of this oppression. True, but it's way beyond anything. I was in Spain when Franco was there. Been to Cuba, Romania, when the Soviets ran it. Not close. One more. Lisa far left, could learn a thing or two about the brutal communists as far as social order goes. Yeah. And San Francisco was big. I wrote about that in a message of the day on billoriley.com they're appalled. They go, what is this? Because they all have relatives living in San Francisco. I go, this is progressivism. This is what happens, okay? Now, the day after I left, there was an announcement by Secretary of State Marco Rubio that some Chinese students would be deported. Big mistake. I haven't heard much about it, so maybe they're pulling back. You don't insult your adversary, just like you don't insult Putin, okay? That gets you nowhere if you want peace, okay?

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[Bill O'Reilly]

That's not helpful in the big picture. Jonas has a guy I personally requested to analyze my utterings about China because I think he's one of the smartest guys in the country. And he's an honest man as well. He's Victor Davis Hansen. You know him? He's a syndicated columnist. He works at the Hoover Institution, which is on a. On the campus of Stanford University. Right, Professor? That's where your Hoover is. Right? Okay. So you know, you know the. And there are tons. One of the. There was only one woman in the. And these were hard men by the way in the, in the room where I gave the seminar about 14 of them, 13 men. One woman who was a Stanford grad, very articulate woman, powerful woman. The other guy, she. She put the other guys to shame because she understood a little bit about the flow in and out of the USA where the. A lot of them didn't. They really, you know, they were very hardcore Maoists. Anyway, you've read my column, you listen to my obliviating here. What say you?

[Expert Commentator]

Well, I think China has a. If you compare the cold. If we were are in a cold war and a lot of people think we are and you compare that to The Soviet Union 50 years China has a very different place in the relationship. The United States. We had no Soviet students here. We had no trade agreements. It was a cold war. But I would like to see more of a normalization of what I think is kind of an aberrant. We have 300,000 students at Stanford. We just have a series of Stanford Review articles revealing that there was an organized espionage group of students. We had a member of the People's Liberation army on the faculty as a visiting neuro scientist. About four years ago the Confucius Institute was shut down. The DeVos a first term Trump department of Education fined Stanford for not reporting a lot of contributions. So it's a it. I guess what I'm saying Bill is that the view of George H.W. bush and, and Bill Clinton and George W. Bush and to a lesser extent, to a greater extent Obama that the more engagement you have with China they were going to be impressed with American culture tolerance and they were going to become emulate us and then they would.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's not happening.

[Expert Commentator]

No, it's not happening. It's not happening. So I think the Trump position was that we had given them a sense of appeasement or laxity and our magnanimity was reciprocated by aggression taking advantages of rather than reciprocity. And I think right now we're in a period where when you look at China, they're building three or four nuclear warheads a month and they plan to get up to about 1200 in five years. They run, they have violated that. We don't have much success with them on copyrights, patents, dumping the product, currency manipulation. I would like to think that maybe Hong Kong would have been an example for Taiwan. But when you look what's happened to Hong Kong, Johnny lies, Jimmy lies in prison and they pretty much suppress free speech. So I Guess what I'm saying is because of World War II and we have a large Chinese population here, there was a natural empathy for closer relationships. And it wasn't the Cold War. Truman, Eisenhower, Cold War. There was a real opportunity, the Americans thought, to reach out to China and to give them indulgences that we didn't. Other countries that we had been.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, it worked for a little while. It worked for a little while, but then she got in and she is, you know, it's. Xi's personal legacy is tied in with Taiwan. Do you believe I said that? I came up with this partnership for prosperity and peace. And the reason that I did is because China has to feed 1.5 billion. They're hurting, okay? Their economy needs the United States. That is the big leverage we have over them. And they are willing to make a deal, I believe. Do you believe that?

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[Expert Commentator]

I think they're willing to make a deal in the economic realm because they're suffering kind of a historic phenomenon that the more they have upward mobility rather than the population being satisfied. It's just a human trait, human nature. They're even more ambitious for a better life. And it's very hard to fulfill the expectations of the Chinese growing middle class because they're not spending what they should on domestic.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, it's all military stuff.

[Expert Commentator]

Yeah, it's all military building.

[Bill O'Reilly]

There's Spartans over there. But what I saw, I tested them a couple of times. I said, you're not going to get anywhere with Trump because it was all Trump centric. You know, you gave a very logical and good historical analysis. That's not what they're interested in. They're interested in Trump. Okay. And I said, the first thing you have to do is knock out the fentanyl. Okay. And you know, you have to knock it out. And they go, well, we are, but the precursor. I said, I don't want to hear precursor. And remember that this was translated. You know, they had the little things. And because half the room spoke English, half didn't. But the instant translation, I said, I want to hear precursor. You don't need fentanyl. You don't need any of it. Knock it out. Give President Trump that. That's where you start. You don't need to be in bed with Putin. And I warned them about Putin. I said, you can try to be his friend, but he'll turn on you like a snake. You don't need to be cutting up to the Mullers, okay? United States will supply your energy needs in a much more benign way. They could not answer any of those things. Professor None. And I just laid it out. I said, if you're going to consort with bad guys, evil guys, and that's what the label you're going to get, why do you need it? You don't need it. It doesn't help you. And that was the thrust of the 90 minutes.

[Expert Commentator]

Yeah, I think the trumpet and I can't speak for them, but. And you know them better than I do, but I think they're, they're in this narrow Soviet, Russia, China, American relationship. They're trying to have a Kissinger paradigm where China is no better friend to Russia than it is to us. Russia is no better friend or enemy whatever to China than it is to us. And triangulate and check power because they have historic animosities. China and Russia.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Oh, yeah.

[Expert Commentator]

For some re the Ukrainian, I think we're in a period of a real problem because they, they are in an alignment. But it's going to be very hard for any Chinese communist leader as it is for Putin in a dictatorial. But even more so, I think when you have an idea totalitarian ideology, Putin is kind of like a dictator that makes it up as he goes along ideologically. But whether it's Iran that is ideological and totalitarian or China, it's very hard for those leaders to compromise their ideology because they have a whole group of people surrounding them that don't respond to the same incentives as either Western democracies or dictatorships, where they.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'll tell you why there wasn't a lot of love for Putin or Iran in that room. They don't care about the Ukraine, the Chinese, and they don't care about it. Okay, but there wasn't a lot of love, obviously. I've reported over the last two weeks about my trip to Beijing and that this is the most important story in the world detente between the United States and China. So in London there were two days of negotiations. Here's how the president summed it up. Quote, I do what China has done subject to final approval with the President Xi. Every and me full magnets and any necessary rare earths will be supplied up front by China. Likewise, we will provide to China was agreed to including Chinese students using our colleges and universities, which has always been good with me. We're getting a total of 55% tariffs. China is getting 10% relationship is excellent. Unquote. And I did talk to the President. He is very optimistic about his continued dealings with President Xi. I'm not so optimistic. I'm neutral, not pessimistic. I had a big phone call late yesterday afternoon after we taped the newspin news with the mediator for the Chinese. You know, they're tough boys. They are tough boys. It's going in the right direction.

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[Chris Hansen]

Liberty Savings. Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.