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Joining us now is retired New York City police Detective Bo Dietle. You know him? He's a movie star now he's in Godfather of Harlem. You play Genovese? Is that who you're playing now? You're some mob guy?
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Me, Gambino.
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Gambino, Genovese, Gambino.
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No, no, no. Tommy Lucchese. You got me wrong. I don't even know who I'm playing anymore.
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You don't even know you're Lucchese. All right, but in your real life, your Bo Didle, who had a very distinguished career in the nypd, as did my grandfather. I'm so outraged about this. I tell you how I can't get any angrier. Can you explain this to me?
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I just. It's just part of the patent bill that has happened. This is the George Floyd effect. On and on with the demonstration since 2020, when these pieces of garbage were able to demonstrate burn assault. Actual submerges involved, the prosecution, everyone turned against the police. Defund the police. Defund the police. Now you have in New York State, because we have to start with the state, you have an assembly and you have a senate that will not pass any kind of bills in support of the police. Then you have a city council here that has taken away every aspect of what the police officers can do. Now they also have this diaphragm law. You, when you're fighting with someone, if you get them into a headlock, that's illegal immediately. When a cop gets someone in a headlock or gets on top of them, they file a suit against them, the charges are dropped, they testify against the cop. Then you got district attorneys like you just pointed out with this case. These are these officers Were beat pretty bad. There were stitches involved and everything. That's why it's assault to a felony. And I. I'm outraged, Bill, listening to what you just said, that this is put off. That's the DA's and the damn judges when they put these liberal judges in there. I mean, a judge is supposed to make a judgment call when you got animals like this. If they're going to assault the police officer the way they did manage, what they'll do to a regular person. You are children on the streets, right?
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These people are career criminals anyway, and they know that, and they put them back on the street. But in order to counter this bo, you would have to have an organized police presence with demonstrations, with signs, with pressure with the media. And you don't have anything. Not one word. They have turned us down on every request to come in and condemn this whole case. They will not do it. Do you know why?
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No, I don't know why. But I'm going to tell you something. I was with Kaz Daughtry, the Deputy Mayor of Public Safety, last night. I had dinner up in Campanola's with him. We had dinner. And this is one of the issues that he told me he wanted me to get back on. And I promise you one thing, I told him I was going to be on your show. And I said, I want answers. Why now? When you go to the unions, you have a pba, you have a dea. I'm still a member of the dea, but I'm going to reach out to the president of the pba. And you are exactly right. There should be demonstrations going on in, in front of that DA's office in the Bronx. This is an outrage. And I'm really, really side with you on this one, Bill. That's where I came from.
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But now it's a moral outrage. It's just wrong. It's indefensible. But there's more than that. It demoralizes every single police officer in the city because they know they could be beaten, they could be next, and nothing is going to happen to them because of the Darcelle Clarks of the world. But their own people aren't defending them. How can you ask people to put their lives on the line every day in a dangerous city like New York when they know nobody's got their back?
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That's why, Bill, more police officers in New York City are retiring than ever before. They can't recruit people to come on to the New York City Police Department. And a lot of people don't know if they're doing their jobs completely legally, they still could be sued civilly. That's like the poor cop that has a little house out in Levittown, paid his mortgage or her mortgage, and next thing is, they get sued civilly and they take his house or her house away. And right now, what's going on? They cannot bring people on the police department, and they're lowering their standards. Bill, this is a craziness. Then we got some fool running for mayor that wants to defund the police department, and he's getting more votes than anybody.
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For our audience who doesn't live in New York City and doesn't really know how intense it is, describe when you were on the job. Okay. And then now, how big a difference?
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Well, we had tremendous support. We had tremendous support from our unions, even the higher echelon of the police department. I was very active. I made over 1500 felonies. I was a decoy cop 500 times. I was mugged, hospitalized 30 times, stabbed, shot, and all that. When I got in a fight with somebody and I had to do necessary force. Let's not call it a beating. Let's call it necessary force. I'm fighting so he don't get my gun. I punched him. I hit him with the. With the hand radio. I did whatever I had to do to get him or her. Not too many hers, but definitely get him restrained. And you know what I said, what I did and why I did it. And I was supported. I was the recipient of 40 civilian complaints. I'm very proud of every one of them. And you know what? I was never founded on one of them because all I did was my job. And. And I told the truth. And that's it. I'm out there and I'm with my partner. I'm fighting with a guy with a knife or a gun. I want to make sure my partner goes home safely, and I go home safely, and I did what I had to do. Reasonable force today. Now you got video cameras. What they do is after the cop gets punched, they take the video of the second part of the cop arresting him, not the original incident that occurred. And with the advent of these cell phones, they. That's a destruction to the police department.
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Also, could you do the job today? Because I know you love being it. You love being a detective. I mean, you like the work and all of that. Could you do it today?
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No. And I think I would actually maybe break my son's arm. If he wanted to become a New York City cop, I would not let him. Nobody. I love Will I let. Come on, the police department, it's a disgrace of what it's like, come and I feel horrible. Now you have more than 55, 60% of the police department have under five years. That means you have inexperienced people out there that don't really want to do any kind of reaction. We used to go out there and we used to find a crime before these guys committed the crime. Find the bad guys. There's no proactivity with the police. Don't get involved. Drive by. I've seen them drive by many a times where they're not getting involved. Oh, crime is down because no one is reporting.
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Forget quality of life. So if you're a drug addict and you're sitting in front of a school with a needle in your neck, cops aren't going to do anything to you.
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No and no. That's it. You can walk on these streets. Right Now, I'm on Fifth Avenue, 42nd street, right by Bryant Park. For people around the country, the heart of New York City. You can walk out there anytime and you have people there. You can't wear watches. You, you can't do this. Everyone's scared stiff. Forget about getting on a train. You know, you go on a train, you take your life in hand. My son, who's 30 years old, my son Bo, he goes, bo, dad, you know what I do? I do no eye contact. He goes, if I do eye contact, I can get in a fight every two minutes with people.
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The worst thing in the world is the district attorney is supposed to be protecting those cops when they're doing their jobs. And when your district attorney, the prosecutor, the don't support you, what the hell do police officers have? They have nothing. Then you got these judges, these liberal judges that don't care about the cops or don't care about the public. All they care about is the criminal element. This is what's wrong, Bill. And I tell you what, you talk about no spin zone. This is a spin into the toilet bowl for America across this country.
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Yeah, it's happening across the country. Not just in New York. Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Baltimore, on and on. All right, Bo, you stay safe out there. And it's a good show. Godfather, Harlem. I mean, it's one of the few that I actually watch, right. And it's very Tommy Lucchese.
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Tommy Lucchese.
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You played a gangster when your whole life you're trying to put those guys away.
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Bill, I grew up with John Gotti. I went one way, they wanted another.
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Yeah, but you didn't like John Gotti, so no comment. New York City is kind of in an uproar. Would that be fair? With the mayoral race coming up fast. We got Cuomo, we got Mayor Adams and we have Maam Donnie. Now the radical socialist is in D.C. today trying to say to people, hey, I'm not that bad. It's exactly what Fidel Castro did in 1958. In fact, after he deposed Batista and became the dictator of Cuba, Castro came to New York City, to the United nations, told everybody, hey, I'm not a communist. Don't worry about me, I'm okay. I believe in freedom. Yeah, okay, Fidel. Anyway, Mandami loves Fidel and almost word for word spouts, the gibberish that led to the destruction of Cuba. To this day now, Governor Hochul is real nervous. Number one, most New Yorkers don't like her because she's very weak Governor. And number two, she knows Mamdani, big trouble if he gets elected, that there'll be a tremendous exodus out of the city and the tax base for New York state will collapse. So here's what Hochul said this morning. Go.
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I've spoken to hundreds of business leaders saying, listen, nothing is going to happen to this city without me being aware of it and involved in it. So don't talk about packing up and leaving and all these other overreactions. We're going to be okay no matter what happens. And so I've had to do a lot of. I've become the therapist in chief, it seems, so saying to everybody, we're going to be okay.
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No, we're not. We're not okay now. All right. The corporate. The quality of life in New York City has declined so dramatically in the last 15 years that it's stunning. Don't give me that we're not going to be okay. And you can't control anything. You're part of the problem, Governor. Your permissive far left agenda has led to violent criminals running wild, the demoralization of what was once the best police agency in the world, the New York City cops, the highest taxes in the country, an infrastructure that's collapsing. Fear, pot smoke everywhere in the city. Everywhere you go, children subjected to indignities as drug addicts run wild on the street doing all kinds of depraved things. This is all under your watch. So don't tell me that you're going to control Mandani. You're not. You can't stop anybody from leaving. People are packing up now. You know, the outflow of folks from New York state and city is enormous. Only California and Illinois are worse. And there those states mirror what's going on here. Far left governance. So I got no confidence at all that the New York state legislature can control the communist Mandani if he is elected governor. And that might not happen. I mean, it's dicey. People are starting to get a little nervous, even the radicals. But there is a tremendous force of voters who want to destroy the entire system. And I can understand that. I work my way up from nothing from Levittown to, I think, the highest level in the country as far as income and notoriety is concerned. I did it on my own. Anybody helping me. Barack Obama once said to me in A debate? Oh, you didn't do that on your own bill. Yeah, I did.
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Okay?
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I did. I paid for everything. I didn't have any uncle in the business, Mr. President, so unlike you, I didn't get a lot of money to put myself through school. I paid. And that's not a slap at Obama. I mean, he had a very tough upbringing in Hawaii. So the people who will vote for Donnie are the people who have given up. They hate the rich. They know that they're not going to be wealthy. They don't live in nice places. They have to scramble to survive, and they want to blow it up. It's like being a kid in school. You hate the school, okay? You get bullied every day. You're flunking. You don't have any friends. So you want to burn the school down. Yeah, you may not burn the school down, but you want to. And it's easy to cast a ballot in that direction. That's what this guy is running on. Hopelessness. And of course, he's going to make it worse.
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All right, people are going to leave. Tax revenue is going to collapse. Public disorder will rise. Police will flee and get other jobs or retirement. And the folks voting for this guy don't care a wit. All right, now we have a mayoral race coming up, as everybody knows, and this Ma', am, Donnie, who won the Democratic primary, is a communist. And he wants to. Basically he's not going to admit anymore was to defund the police, even though he said that. But he is anti police. He doesn't believe in. And the only thing that's keeping New York City even afloat is the police department. That's it. Okay. And he'll not attack, but he'll marginalize the police department if he wins. Are you with me so far, Rafael? Do you agree with that?
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I'm with you so far, yeah.
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Okay. 100%.
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Go even further.
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Okay.
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Probably go even further.
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Let's say, let's play a conservative here. Okay. You know, let's just do that. Because the city's quality of life is so far out of control now, the man is going to make it worse. And that'll lead to an exit exodus of affluent people out of New York City and State, taking their tax revenue with them. Your mayor, Rafael. Okay, this happened before. This happened before Giuliani came in after a series of weakmares and cleaned it up. Could that happen again?
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Oh, it could absolutely happen again. We know not only from history that we've been able to clean up a mess far bigger than the one that we have now, but we also have the lessons that were learned during that period of how to do it. We also have the technology to do it much more efficiently and quickly now. So, you know, there really is a key component here, and you put your finger on it earlier, which is that the NYPD has to be front and center in this effort. And that is one of the things that I do think scares voters about this Zoran Mamdani character, because not only is he on the record multiple times saying that he wants to defund and abolish the nypd, not to mention jails and prisons and all of those things that help keep us safe, but even as he's moderated or pretended to moderate on those positions, he, you know, he's moderated to a level that is still unsatisfactory. I mean, the most recent thing that I think he said was that he would try to maintain the current force level that the NYPD has. Well, the current force level that the NYPD has is significantly below the ideal.
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10,000.
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The turn of the century.
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It's 10,000 below what it impacts. What. Okay, so say that he. I don't think he's going to win. I think something's going to happen here. And this mass, this shooting is going to hurt him, Mamdani. So it gets people's attention. And are you going to vote for a soft on crime guy? It's going to hurt him. But what has to happen in the city, you say the police have to take the lead. I agree. But the police can Arrest as many people as they want. If the judges are just kicking them back to the street because of the state legislature, signed by Cuomo, another person running for mayor, then there's no solution. You arrest, guy goes in, judge lets him out, he commits more crimes, right?
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That's exactly right. So the bail reform, as well as the two other recent state level reforms to the state's discovery laws, which impose administrative burdens on prosecutors who have to now do significantly more work to bring cases such that they have to triage and choose which cases they're going to prosecute and in which they're going to allow to be dismissed for failure to comply with these regulations. But also, there was a juvenile justice bill that was passed in 2018 called the Raise the age law, which basically makes it impossible to incarcerate 16 and 17 year olds who commit.
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No matter what they do. Right? No matter what they do. All right, so you can't put it. All right, so what is the solution?
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Let me just quickly tell you that the worst part about all of this, because even if we were to fix the NYPD and even if we were to convince the legislature to undo these bad laws, Rikers island, which is New York City's jail complex, is set to close in August of 2027. And there is not going to be a jail system that is going to.
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I don't think that's going to happen. Let's, let's let. I don't think that's going to happen. The feds will take it over.
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I sure hope not.
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Okay. But again, I want solutions here. You say if we can convince Albany to do X and Y. You know what? This state is the highest tax state in the Union, is run by far left people and the Democratic machine. I don't think it's realistic. They may moderate a little bit because Hochul is really underwater in the governor campaign. But in the city itself, you've had such poor leadership for 12 years. I mean, what is a new mayor going to come in? What is he going to do? What, what should he do?
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I think the most important thing that the mayor can do is a keep Jessica Tisch in charge of the nypd.
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Okay. That's a police commissioner. She's done a good job. I agree.
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Invest in hiring at least 7 to 10,000 more police officers and to do it very, very quickly without, and this is the real challenge, without maintaining the lower standards.
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But nobody wants. Look, they can't even get people to sign up because the police officers don't want to come into a system where they make an arrest and it doesn't matter. And if you're a police officer in New York City, right, if you make one mistake, you're. You're going to be sued civilly or charged criminally. Who wants to go into a system like that? You're never going to get 10,000 people to come in, ever.
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C.com that's exactly right. I mean, and this is the real challenge because what people don't really understand is that as bad as the recruiting and retention crisis in the NYPD is now, it's about to get significantly worse over the next couple of years because we have several thousand officers who are going to become eligible for retirement and.
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They'Re going to take it years.
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Because I do think that that's the case.
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Right.
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So there are things though that I do think that the next mayor can do to innovate and make the job more attractive to high quality candidates.
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One of those things, I'm not sure. Not with that legislature. All right, final question. Your opinion is that it has to come from law enforcement. The changes in the city and the quality of life changes have to come from the police themselves. I don't think that's possible. When you have marijuana smoke on every city, when on every block in the city, when you have Alvin Bragg And Darcelle Clark, DA's of Manhattan and the Bronx and these people do not want to prosecute most crimes. You know that. I know that. The stats show that, okay, the cops can't do it by themselves. And if you have a weak mayor and none of the candidates we asked to have the Republican running Curtis Lewis on as a guest tonight to show put out his platform. He wouldn't come on. You don't want to come up against me. He doesn't want to answer those specific questions. So I assume a Democrat will win and that Democrat will just do what the other Democrats maybe not quite as bad. Cuomo is not going to be as bad as de Blasio. But is he a reformer? Cuomo? No last word?
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Yeah, I certainly don't think Cuomo is a reformer. In fact, his name is on many of the pieces of legislation that are causing a lot of the problems that we are still dealing with. But, but I do think it's going to take a mayor that has recognized that the problems lie in Albany, that those laws need to change, and who is committed to investing in the NYPD and putting pressure, using the bully pulpit on people like Alvin Bragg and Darcelle Clark to do more and to do more quickly.
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I don't know. This city needs about six months of martial law and Bassourt in east that and if it doesn't get it, it's going to be next year at this time 100 times worse than now. And that's that's going to be there's going to be disorder in the streets.
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Date: August 25, 2025
Host: Bill O'Reilly
Featured Guests: Bo Dietl (Retired NYPD Detective), Rafael Mangual (Manhattan Institute), Various Commentators
This episode delves into the perceived decline of New York City's public safety, the breakdown of its justice system, and the political dynamics surrounding the ongoing mayoral race. O'Reilly and his guests critique the state and city leadership, discuss demoralization and recruitment crises in the NYPD, and debate what, if anything, could restore order and quality of life to New York.
Guests: Bo Dietl, Bill O'Reilly
“George Floyd Effect” and Policy Reaction
Judicial and District Attorney Criticism
Demoralization & Recruitment Crisis
Drastic Environment Change Over Decades
Key Figures: Zoran Mamdani (Democratic candidate, labeled by O'Reilly as “communist”), Kathy Hochul (Governor), Andrew Cuomo
Mayoral Candidates and the Left-Right Divide
Governor Hochul’s Reassurance vs. Reality
Describing the Electorate
Guests: Rafael Mangual, Bill O’Reilly
History as Precedent for Comeback
Barriers to Turnaround
Recruitment Dilemma
What Must a New Mayor Do?
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On Political Messaging:
On NYC’s Decline:
On Law Enforcement and Reform:
On the Need for Drastic Action:
The conversation is intense, combative, and heavily critical of current city and state leadership. O'Reilly drives a sense of urgency and even alarm, while his guests (especially Dietl and Mangual) offer insider experience and technical policy critique, but generally align with his pessimism about the current trajectory. Both the language and tone are blunt, occasionally darkly humorous, and often colored by nostalgia for earlier, more orderly eras.
This summary captures the episode’s main arguments and emotional temperature, guiding listeners through the central anxieties and proposed (or dismissed) solutions for New York City’s woes, as seen through O’Reilly and his guests’ perspectives.