No Spin News Special: Tri-State Trio

Summary

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: No Spin News Special: Tri-State Trio

Date: December 29, 2025
Host: Bill O’Reilly
Key Guests: Joe Piscopo, Bo Dietl, Guest Commentator (unnamed, likely Stephen A. Smith)

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Episode Overview

In this special "Tri-State Trio" episode, Bill O’Reilly hosts three prominent voices from the greater New York/New Jersey area: comedian Joe Piscopo, retired NYPD detective and actor Bo Dietl, and a guest commentator (context and tone strongly suggest Stephen A. Smith). The episode spans themes from show business nostalgia and working-class roots to in-depth discussions about policing, crime, the justice system, and culture wars over hip hop and popular music. The tone is candid, combative, and deeply personal throughout, with the guests offering both spirited debates and heartfelt recollections.

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Main Discussion Segments & Key Insights

1. Joe Piscopo: SNL Memories, Blue-Collar Roots, and Friendship with Eddie Murphy

Timestamps: 00:12–09:10

SNL, Comedy, and Sinatra

• O’Reilly introduces Joe Piscopo, highlighting his new book Memoirs of a Blue Collar Entertainer and long-standing ties to both comedy and Frank Sinatra impressions.
  • Quote (O’Reilly, 00:12): “Piscopo was on Saturday Night Live with Eddie Murphy… his big thing is Frank Sinatra.”
• Piscopo sings a snippet of “New York, New York” (01:00), leading to playful banter about generational tastes and celebrity impressions.

Shared Upbringing & Early Challenges

• Discussion on similar backgrounds: working-class, Catholic, “ethnic” families, and rebellious teenage years.
  • Quote (Piscopo, 02:54): “I got kicked out of school eight times… but by the grace of God and my dear parents, I got out alive.”
  • O’Reilly recounts being seen as an unlikely success story by his old neighbors (01:51).

SNL Partnership with Eddie Murphy

• Piscopo and O’Reilly reflect on the extraordinary chemistry between Piscopo and Murphy on SNL. Piscopo recalls meeting a young, “electric” Eddie Murphy and their instant connection.
  • Key Moment (Piscopo, 04:18): “As soon as they introduced me… there was this young kid, 19 years old… I don’t know what it was, we just connected.”
  • Their audition (word association sketch, nodding to famous Chevy Chase/Richard Pryor bit) becomes a formative moment.

On Race and SNL

• O’Reilly asks if race was ever an issue between them; Piscopo gives a firm no, sharing a humorous take on race-relations in their work:
  • Quote (Piscopo, 06:11): “Never even felt it, never thought it… We never saw color.”

SNL 50th Reunion & Reflections on Friendship and Politics

• Talk shifts to upcoming SNL 50th anniversary; Piscopo compares reunions to high school and jokes about his politics almost “disinviting” him.
  • Quote (Piscopo, 07:02): “It’s kind of like your high school reunion… but, you know, I’m gonna go back with respect and grateful. With my politics, I’m lucky I got invited at all.”

Personal Connection and Generational Respect

• O’Reilly praises Piscopo’s character, recounts a Yankees game they attended, and emphasizes the impact Piscopo’s work has had across generations.
  • Quote (O’Reilly, 08:03): “Everybody likes Biscobo. I don’t know anybody doesn’t like you because you’re a good guy, good sense of humor…”

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2. Bo Dietl: Policing, Criminal Justice, and the “George Floyd Effect”

Timestamps: 11:06–20:31

Role as Crime Analyst & TV Actor

• Transition from comedy to crime: introduction of Bo Dietl, retired NYPD detective now starring in “Godfather of Harlem.”
  • Quote (O'Reilly, 11:15): “But in your real life, your Bo Didle, who had a very distinguished career in the NYPD... I’m so outraged about this.”

Police Morale & Legal Constraints Post-2020

• Dietl provides a scathing review of the current legal and political environment for police in New York:
  • Quote (Dietl, 11:37): “This is the George Floyd effect… Everyone turned against the police. Defund the police. Defund the police.”
  • Legal hindrance: “diaphragm law” bars certain detention techniques, increasing police risk; DAs and judges release repeat offenders, even after assaults on police (13:08–14:22).

Call to Action for Police Advocacy

• Dietl and O’Reilly lament lack of organized response from police unions or demonstrations in the face of rising aggression against officers.
  • Quote (Dietl, 13:38): “There should be demonstrations… in front of the DA’s office in the Bronx. This is an outrage.”

Officer Recruitment Crisis & Personal Reflections

• Dietl describes the demoralization and recruitment crisis within NYPD, and the dangers of criminal-coddling policies:
  • Quote (Dietl, 15:02): “That’s why, Bill, more police officers in New York City are retiring than ever before. They can’t recruit people... They’re lowering their standards. Bill, this is a craziness.”
  • He would “break his son’s arm” to keep him from joining the force today (17:33).

Then vs. Now: The Changing Face of Policing

• In Dietl’s era, police were supported even in “reasonable force” situations; now, cell phones and political climate make policing untenable.
  • Quote (Dietl, 16:03): “I made over 1500 felonies… I was stabbed, shot at… I did what I had to do, reasonable force. Today... with the advent of these cell phones, that’s a destruction to the police department.”

The Bigger Picture: Systemic Failures and Public Safety

• O’Reilly and Dietl see a city in decline due to failed leadership and a broken justice system, spreading to other American cities.
  • Quote (Dietl, 19:27): “When your district attorney, the prosecutor, doesn’t support you… what the hell do police officers have? They have nothing.”
  • Quote (O'Reilly, 20:02): “It’s happening not just in New York. Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Baltimore, on and on.”

Personal Antidotes and Irony

• Ending on a personal note—Dietl jokes about growing up with John Gotti and choosing the opposite path.
  • Quote (Dietl, 20:26): “I grew up with John Gotti. I went one way. They went another.”
• O’Reilly closes the segment praising Dietl’s TV role, noting the irony of playing a gangster after a life spent putting them away.

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3. Culture Wars: Hip Hop, Role Models, and Social Context

Timestamps: 20:55–31:35

O’Reilly’s Critique of Hip Hop

• O’Reilly expresses his belief that hip hop ‘teaches disrespect’ and contributes to the breakdown of manners and role models among youth.
  • Quote (O’Reilly, 20:55): “I believe that this hip hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it. Bad language... And kids as young as... 10, 11, 12 listen to this instead of [classic soul].”

Guest Commentator Responds: Contextualizing Blame

• The guest commentator (tone suggests Stephen A. Smith) counters by broadening the blame beyond hip hop to include rock and pop, noting that moral panic over music is a recurring pattern.
  • Quote (Guest, 21:35): “When we talk about disrespect... Have you listened to rock music? Heavy metal?... Spanning decades! ...That had nothing to do with hip hop.”

Parenting and Censorship

• Both agree on importance of parental involvement in media consumption.
  • Quote (Guest, 23:12): “There are certain songs I wouldn’t allow my kids to listen to… It all depends on a particular song and… lyrics.”

Economic and Social Pressures

• The guest pivots to higher black unemployment, pointing out how economic realities shape young people’s choices—including in music and entertainment.
  • Quote (Guest, 25:07): “When white folks catch a cold, black folks catch pneumonia… it makes it even harder when other obstacles get in the way… young minds… trying to get a leg up…”

Role Models Then and Now

• O’Reilly laments role models’ shift from the likes of Willie Mays to controversial hip hop artists.
  • Quote (O’Reilly, 24:58): “You give those kids role models who are using the F word every two seconds... you are saying this is what is going to be imitated.”

The Jay-Z Divide: Redemption vs. Accountability

• O’Reilly dismisses Jay Z as a role model due to his criminal past, despite his success; the guest counters that people can grow from rough beginnings.
  • Quote (O’Reilly, 27:59): “Jay Z sold crack, all right?… I have no respect for him. None. Zero.”
  • Quote (Guest, 28:26): “You can do two things at once. You can admit exactly what Bill O'Reilly said and then turn around and say, excuse me, this is what I had to do to survive…”

A Wider Lens: Celebrating Positive Artists

• The guest points to positive and uplifting music still present today and throughout history.
  • Quote (Guest, 29:42): “There’s a lot of beautiful artists out here… Everyone can’t be Prince, Michael Jackson... but we had a whole bunch that were absolutely fabulous.”

The O’Reilly Factor: Authenticity and Respect

• The guest finishes with a compliment for O’Reilly’s authenticity, saying his appeal is that people trust he believes what he says, even if they disagree.
  • Quote (Guest, 30:22): “Here’s your problem… You think you’re loved because you… tell the truth. That’s not why you’re respected… We know you mean what you say.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Joe Piscopo on SNL chemistry with Eddie Murphy:
  “As soon as they introduced me… I don’t know what it was, we just connected.” (04:18)
• On modern policing:
  Bo Dietl: “There should be demonstrations going on in front of that DA’s office in the Bronx. This is an outrage.” (13:38)
• On deteriorating police morale:
  “That’s why, Bill, more police officers in New York City are retiring than ever before… they’re lowering their standards. This is a craziness.” (15:02)
• On hip hop and disrespect:
  Bill O’Reilly: “I believe that this hip hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it.” (20:55)
• On the danger of single-parent households and role models:
  “You give those kids role models who are using the F word every two seconds… you are saying that this is what is going to be imitated.” (24:58)
• On O’Reilly’s enduring audience respect:
  Guest: “Even if we think you’re wrong, we know you mean what you say… That’s where it comes from.” (30:22)

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Key Takeaways

• Nostalgia for “blue collar” values and earlier show business eras is contrasted with frustration over the current cultural and political climate.
• Concerns over policing and justice reform in New York City—and cities nationwide—dominate the middle of the show, highlighting a perceived crisis in law enforcement morale, recruitment, and public safety.
• Generational and cultural clashes over music and role models animate the latter part, with O’Reilly and his guest providing a frank, sometimes heated exchange about the impact of hip hop culture, socioeconomics, and race.
• Respect for authenticity emerges as a rare bipartisan value, with O’Reilly’s outspokenness credited as the real reason for his cross-cultural resonance, even among detractors.
• The episode maintains O’Reilly’s signature conversational, unscripted tone, blending humor, argumentation, and personal stories.

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Important Timestamps

• 00:12–03:29: Joe Piscopo and O’Reilly reminisce about upbringing and comedy beginnings.
• 04:18–06:53: SNL memories, partnership with Eddie Murphy, and reflections on race.
• 07:02–09:10: Piscopo on SNL 50th, friendships, and generational influence.
• 11:06–19:27: Bo Dietl’s critique of policing, justice system, and today's NYPD.
• 20:55–31:35: Culture wars—O’Reilly and guest debate hip hop, role models, and what shapes values.

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Episode Flow

• Opening: Personal anecdotes and comic relief, setting up deeper discussions.
• Middle: Intense, detail-driven exploration of urban crime, policing, and justice reform failures.
• Finale: Spirited, multifaceted debate over the roots and impact of popular culture and generational change.

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This episode is a prime example of O’Reilly’s blend of “no spin” analysis and hometown storytelling, with honest arguments and camaraderie among notable New York-area personalities.

Transcript

[Guest Commentator]

Foreign.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So we don't do a lot of celebrity stuff here because I got so many more important things to do. But a friend of mine, Joe Piscobo, you know, I'm Saturday Night Live guy and comedian, very talented guy. I've known him for decades. And Joe's a good guy. He's got a book out called the Memoirs of a Blue Collar Entertainer. Okay. And I want you to check it out. I read the book. Very, very entertaining. Now, Piscobo was on Saturday Night Live with Eddie Murphy. We're going to talk about that in a moment. But he's also does a radio program out of New Jersey and he makes live appearances. And his big thing is Frank Sinatra.

[Guest Commentator]

Roll it.

[Joe Piscopo]

Start spreading the news. I'm leaving today. I want to be a part of it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

New York, New York. Anyway, Pisco loves Frank. I'm a little on, you know, but no doubt, Frank Sinatra, one of the best entertainers in the world. If you don't know him very well, because younger people don't, you know, you ought to check it out. Guy was a stylist. Anyway, Piscopo nailed him and makes a nice living doing comedy. And Sinatra, I talked to him yesterday, which is why you're going to see a change of outfit for me. And the most important thing to know about Piscoball is he's a good guy.

[Joe Piscopo]

Roll it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Joining us now from New Jersey is the aforementioned Joe Piscopo. Now, the reason I wanted to talk to you about your book, and I read the book, Memoirs of a Blue Collar Entertainer is because your background and my background are almost identical, except for the fact that I am so much luckier to be Irish than Italian. That's the big difference. Now, we were raised in the same era, in the same environment of working class ethnic homes, Catholic, lots of kids all over the place. Now, when I go back to my Levittown home, the people, the older people who are still there, they're looking at me and go, how. How come you're not in jail? They don't. They know because I was such a ridiculous kid, they don't know how I succeeded. Is it the same for you?

[Joe Piscopo]

Yeah, it is. You know, and I.

[Guest Commentator]

And I keep.

[Joe Piscopo]

And I smack myself every day. And great to see you, Bill, my friend. I tell you, because I was a. I got kicked out of school eight times. Eight times. And I almost made the record, but Henry Benardsic got nine times. And so he's ahead of me at West Essex High School. You know, what was I thinking? We had the best parents. I Had the best parents, you know, took care of me. I was still a wise guy, you know. And yes, I always thought if it wasn't for my parents, I'd be working for some. Some guy with a vowel at the end of his name in Brooklyn. What am I going to tell you? You know, I got out alive, and I don't know how I did it, but by the grace of God and.

[Bill O'Reilly]

My dear parents, Bill, it took me six years to become comfortable in front of the camera. I wasn't a natural performer, and I didn't know what I wanted to do till my early 20s. I wasn't like you. I was a high school teacher out of college. And then I said, you know, I'm pretty good writer. Let me pursue that. Now, your big break was 1980. You show up on Saturday Night Live. Not. Not an easy gig to get because you're coming off Chevy Chase, Belushi, Ackroyd Radner, all of these legends, and they hire you. Then you team up with Eddie Murphy. Now Murphy's a Long island guy, and I'm going Piscobo Murphy. What was it that struck that friendship?

[Joe Piscopo]

Yeah, it's a great question, Bill. And I could only tell you when I first met him, I was hired. They brought me up to the 17th floor at NBC to meet this new kid that was coming in. And I knew Richie Tinken and Bob Wax at these managers, but I didn't know Eddie because we were. I was at the improvisation comedy club where I came up the. That was Hell's Kitchen, 44th and 9th. There was Catch a Rising Star that was a little more upscale. And then there was a comic strip just coming in. These are the comedy clubs. Long island may as well been Idaho to us because we just knew Manhattan. So now I didn't know Eddie. I didn't even hear of Eddie. But as soon as they introduced me and they said, this is Eddie Murphy. And there was this young kid, 19 years old, and he's sitting down. Soon as you meet Eddie, I think everybody felt that way, but I don't know what it was. We just connected. There were laughs, there was comfort. There was a comfort zone. We were just very similar, and we just connected right there, right that second. And then they asked us, would you do a sketch, Joe, Would you audition Eddie for us? Like that. So they took the word association sketch that Chevy Chase and Richard Fryer did, Bill, which was like, you could never do it. Now it's where, you know, Chevy N.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Word and that kind of stuff.

[Joe Piscopo]

Oh, my gosh. And Prior did it. So now we got the suits in front of us and. And I start to read the sketch. Eddie's doing the prior part. Of course I'm doing the Chevy part. And. And Eddie just nailed it, Bill. It was like. And I went, wow, man. And now at that point, I worked with Robin Williams and Rodney Dangerfield and Andy Kaufman and Robert Klein and. And everybody at the improvisation. I met everybody. This kid was like, I've never seen anything like it kind of thing.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No race stuff between you? No black, white stuff?

[Joe Piscopo]

Yeah, no, no race stuff. It was just the script. We stuck with the script.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But no, no, I mean in person, though. Once you got to know him, none of that.

[Joe Piscopo]

Never even felt it, never thought it. The only time it was about. That's why I don't understand. And when. If you go to Ebony and Ivory, it closes with I am.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I am what?

[Joe Piscopo]

You are black, I am white. And who cares? We never saw color. I never saw color. I just never did Heavenly and ivory.

[Guest Commentator]

Just living in perfect harmony.

[Joe Piscopo]

We're talking salt and pepper. Sammy and Bean.

[Guest Commentator]

Stevie and me are peachy King.

[Joe Piscopo]

You are white, you are black. And who cares? Who cares, baby?

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're going back to SNL50 over the weekend. A big show, three hour show. Is Eddie going to be there? Murphy showing up? Because I know you're still friends, right?

[Joe Piscopo]

Yeah. I see. When you see each other. Absolutely. But I hear he's going to be there. He's going in and 10 years ago, and I can't remember how I got the word, but I got the word that I was going to. I did a little bit. I'm not hearing anything now. So I'm kind of a spectator. They do a big con. They're doing a big concert, by the way, at Radio City on Friday. I think that's okay to talk about. And then Sat a Sunday night is the three hour and everybody's. Everybody's going to be there. And I. I hear Eddie's going to be there. You never know because it's going to be live as life could be. So you never know. But it's always good to see him. You know what's funny, dude? And I know you must have friends from 100 years ago. And then you do one little look, you do one little sound, you do one little nuance and then it, you know, cracks the other person up like that. So, yeah, and it's kind of fun like that. So I'm looking forward to it. But it's kind of like your high school reunion where you're kind of like, you know, a little tepid. Little tepid. But, you know, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go back with respect and grateful. Hey, man, you know, with my politics, I'm lucky I got invited at all.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Bill O'Reilly, everybody likes, and I'm gonna say, you don't have to say anything. Everybody likes Biscobo. I don't know anybody doesn't like you because you're, you're a good guy, good sense of humor. You're not looking to top anybody. You don't have the jealousy thing going on, you know, so everybody will be happy to see you. And I, my son, I went to a Yankee game with Pisco a few years ago. My son was a little bit younger, obviously, and he still remembers that night. He used to because he knows, you know, they watch the young kids now, watch the tapes of you and Murphy and all those kids, they'll live on forever. So he always asks about you because you were nice to him.

[Joe Piscopo]

You know, I remember, I remember like yesterday you had the great seats. I had great seats and I was behind you, man. I was very impressed.

[Bill O'Reilly]

As it should be. As it should be. You know, how about going to, I said we were.

[Joe Piscopo]

My buddy Mitchell Modell and I snored off of Mitchell's seats. And I look and there's O'Reilly man up there. But you know what I loved about you? You a great father. God bless you for that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And so are you. You got four. And so are you. Joining us now is retired New York City police detective Bo Dle. You know him? He's a movie star now. He's in Godfather of Harlem. He play Genovese. Is that who you're playing now? You're some mob guy? Let's face it, the US Economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401. Tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998-899 again, that's 866326. 5576 or text BILL to 998999.

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[Bo Dietl]

Tommy Gambino.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Gambino, Genovese Gambier.

[Bo Dietl]

No, no, no. Tommy Lucchese. You got me wrong. I don't even know who I'm playing anymore.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You don't even know. So you're Lucchese, all right. But in your real life, your Bo Didle, who had a very distinguished career in the nypd, as did my grandfather. I'm so outraged about this. I tell you how I can't get any angrier. Can you explain this to me?

[Bo Dietl]

It's just part of the patent bill that has happened. This is the George Floyd effect. On and on with the demonstration since 2020 when these pieces of garbage were able to demonstrate burn assault actual some murders involved the prosecution. Everyone turned against the police. Defund the police. Defund the police. Now you have in New York state, because we have to start with the state, you have an assembly and you have a senate that will not pass any kind of bills in support of the police. Then you have a city council here that has taken away every aspect of what the police officers can do. Now they also have this diaphragm law. You, when you're fighting with someone, if you get them into a headlock, that's illegal immediately. When a cop gets someone in a headlock or gets on top of them, they file a suit against them, the charges are dropped, they testify against the cop. Then you got district attorneys like you just pointed out with this case. These, these officers were beat pretty bad. They were stitches involved and everything. That's why it's assault to a felony. And I, I'm outraged, Bill, listening to what you just said, that this is put off. That's the DA's and the damn judges when they put these liberal judges in there. I mean, a judge is supposed to make a judgment call when you got animals like this. If they're going to assault the police officer the way they did manager, what they'll do to a regular person. You are children on the streets, right?

[Bill O'Reilly]

These people are career criminals anyway and they know that, and they put them back on the street. But in order to Counter this, Bo. You would have to have an organized police presence with demonstrations, with signs, with pressure with the media. And you don't have anything? Not one word. They have turned us down on every request to come in and condemn this whole case. They will not do it. Do you know why?

[Bo Dietl]

No, I don't know why. But I'm going to tell you something. I was with Kaz Daughtry, the deputy mayor, Public Safety, last night. I had dinner up in Campanola's with him and we had dinner. And this is one of the issues that he told me he wanted me to get back on. And I promise you one thing, I told him I was going to be on your show and I said, I want answers. Why now? When you go to the unions, you have a pba, you have a dea. I'm still a member of the dea, but. But I'm going to reach out to the president of the pba. And you are exactly right. There should be demonstrations going on in front of that DA's office in the Bronx. This is an outrage. And I'm really, really side with you on this one, Bill. That's where I came from.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But now it's a moral outrage. It's just wrong. It's indefensible. But there's more than that. It demoralizes every single police officer in the city because they know they could be beaten, they could be next, and nothing is going to happen to them because of the Darcelle Clarks of the world. But their own people aren't defending them. How can you. How can you ask people to put their lives on the line every day in a dangerous city like New York when they know nobody's got their back?

[Bo Dietl]

That's why, Bill, more police officers in New York City are retiring than ever before. They can't recruit people to come on to the New York City Police Department. And a lot of people don't know if they're doing their jobs completely legally, they still could be sued civilly. That's like the poor cop that has a little house out in Levittown paying his mortgage or her mortgage, and next thing is they get sued civilly and they take his house or her house away. And right now, what's going on? They cannot bring people on the police department and they're lowering their standards. Bill, this is a craziness. Then we got some fool running for mayor that wants to defund the police department and he's getting more votes than.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Anybody for our audience who doesn't live in New York City and doesn't really know how intense it is. Describe when you were on the job. Okay. And then now. How big a difference?

[Bo Dietl]

Well, we had tremendous support. We had tremendous support from our unions, even the higher echelon of the police department. I was very active. I made over 1500 felonies. I was a decoy cop. 500 times. I was mugged. I hospitalized 30 times, stab shot at. All that when I got no fight with somebody and I had to do necessary force. Let's not call it a beating. Let's call it necessary force. I'm fighting so you don't get my gun. I punched him. I hit him with the. With the hand radio. I did whatever I had to do to get him or her. Not too many hers, but definitely get him restrained. And you know what I said, what I did and why I did it. And I was supported by. I was the recipient of 40 civilian complaints. I'm very proud of every one of them. And you know what? I was never founded on one of them because all I did was my job, and I told the truth. And that's it. I'm out there and I'm with my partner. I'm fighting with a guy with a knife or a gun. I want to make sure my partner goes home safely, and I go home safely. And I did what I had to do, reasonable force today. Now you got video cameras. What they do is after the cop gets punched, they. They take the video of the second part of the cop arresting him, not the original incident that occurred. And with the advent of these cell phones, that's a destruction to the police department.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Also, could you do the job today? Because I know you love being it. You love being a detective. I mean, you like the work and all of that. Could you do it today?

[Bo Dietl]

No. And I think I would actually maybe break my son's arm if he wanted to become a New York City cop. I would not let him. Nobody I love will. I let. Come on. The police department. It's a disgrace of what it's like. Come. And I feel horrible. Now you have more than 55, 60% of the police department have under five years. That means you have inexperienced people out there that don't really want to do any kind of reaction. We used to go out there and we used to find a crime before these guys committed the crime. Find the bad guys. There's no proactivity with the police. Don't get involved. Drive by. I've seen them drive by many times where they're not getting involved. Oh, crime is down because no one is Reporting anything.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Forget quality of life. So if you're a drug addict and you're sitting in front of a school with a needle in your neck, cops aren't going to do anything to you.

[Bo Dietl]

No and no. That's it. You can walk on the streets. Right Now, I'm on Fifth Avenue, 42nd street, right by Bryant Park. For people around the country, heart of New York City. You can walk out there anytime, and you have people there. You can't wear watches. You can't do this. Everyone's scared stiff. Forget about getting on a train. You know, you go on a train, you take your life in hand. My son, who's 30 years old, my son Bo, he goes, bo. Dad, you know what I do? I do no eye contact. He goes, if I do eye contact, I can get in a fight every two minutes with people.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Last question. When you don't have an effective justice system, which in New York City, we do not, and you're right, it's the laws that Andrew Cuomo signed. Hochul comes all the way down. Okay? When you have a system that is collapsed, there is no protection for anybody. Wrong.

[Bo Dietl]

The worst thing in the world is the district attorney is supposed to be protecting those cops when they're doing their jobs. And when your district attorney, the prosecutor don't support you, what the hell do police officers have? They have nothing. Then you got these judges, these liberal judges that don't care about the cops or don't care about the public. All they care about is the criminal element. This is what's wrong, Bill. And I tell you what, you. You talk about no spin zone. This is a spin into the toilet bowl for America across this country.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah. It's happening not just in New York. Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Baltimore, on and on. All right, Bo, you stay safe out there, and it's a good show. Godfather, Harlem. I mean, it's one of the few that I actually watch, and it's very.

[Bo Dietl]

Tommy Lucasi, Tommy Lucchese.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It's. You played a gangster when your whole life you're trying to put those guys away. Oh, no, no.

[Bo Dietl]

I go, bill, I grew up with John Gotti. I went one way. They wanted another.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, but you didn't like John Gotti.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

So no comment. I'm a simple man, as you know, and I believe that this hip hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it. Bad language, don't even wear no condoms, you know, all of that stuff. And kids as young as what, 10, 11, 12 listen to this. Instead of me listening to Four Tops and the Temptations and Smokey Robinson and all these people, they're listening to this. And I think that the level of disrespect among younger people has risen because of this kind of stuff. Am I wrong?

[Guest Commentator]

I'm in no position to say definitively, Bill, that you're wrong. Where I was pushing back on you is when you talked about hip hop as if hip hop are the originators of all of this. When we talk about disrespect, when we talk about some of the lyrics that are spewed. And I'm like, have you listened to rock music? Have you listened to heavy metal music? Have you listened to some of this stuff spanning decades? Have you seen people worshiping the devil, engaging in Satanism, preaching about violence and whatever? I mean, we've seen all of this in the past and that had nothing to do with hip hop. So when you came out on Cuomo show and you talked about hip hop, it's one thing to say that you don't like it, but it was almost as if you isolated your opinion to that as opposed to really embracing what really has been happening with the music industry, with Hollywood and some of the things that they've been perpetuating and disseminating for decades, long even before hip hop came along. That was my issue.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I don't do that. I don't do the justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. And you're absolutely right. I mean, a lot of this rock stuff is to going garbage. But this hip hop industry is directed at not just African American children, but children many of whom are marginalized. They don't have people in the house, father in the house. Look, I wouldn't let my kids listen to Megan the Stallion and Fl or whatever his name is that could not come into my house. Am I wrong?

[Guest Commentator]

No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're wrong.

[Guest Commentator]

If you're saying them, I would say to you, there's certain songs I'm not going to allow you to listen to. Like for example, the artists that I grew up listening to, whether it was run DMC, it was KRS1, it was Eric B and Rakim, Public Enemy, et cetera, et cetera. In this day and age, whether it's Eminem, it's Jay Z, it's Nas, who's been around forever, along with a plethora of others. There's some songs I wouldn't allow my kids to listen to. There are other songs I don't mind. It all depends on a particular song and a particular lyrics that are being speaking feud, as opposed to me denigrating an artist because of a particular song. That's what I'm saying to you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay? But remember the unbelievable amount of African Americans and children who are living without a father. It is a problem that this country has never seen at this level. You give those kids role models who are using the F word every two seconds, who've got tattoos all over them, who can't speak proper English, and you are saying that this is what is going to be imitated. Look, Willie Mays was my idol growing up, all right? There couldn't have been a better idol for me than Willie Mays. Just couldn't have been, all right? And he drove me to play baseball for 15 consecutive years. And then I went over to the turn on WABC AM radio to listen to all of these black artists whose music was uplifting. That helped me. It didn't hurt me. Now, the. The role models, many of them are hurting these kids. You got to admit that.

[Guest Commentator]

I'm not denying I'm not. I have no problem admitting that. I have no problem acknowledging that. Parents. And it extends beyond the black community. White, Hispanic.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Guest Commentator]

I mean, everybody's complaining about. Everybody's complaining about it. You're absolutely right. I'm not trying. I'm not here to say that you're wrong. I just want you to contextualize things properly. So we're talking about the subject right now, Bill, and you can look at it that way, and you have every right to. I'm not going to knock you for that. But allow me to retort. Let's go into your wheelhouse for a second. Right now, we're looking at an unemployment rate in the United States of America that's hovering around 4 to 4.1%. In the black community, it's at 16%. Amongst young black males, particularly between the ages of 16 and 19, for example, I think I read the number being at about 19.8%. I've often been on the air saying this. When white folks catch a cold, black folks catch pneumonia, it's always worse for us. There's always an uphill battle to climb. So to get to your point, it makes it even harder when Other obstacles get in the way that we know would potentially derail, particularly somebody that. From. From an African American community on the come up looking for opportunities. But what happens, the music industry comes along and they're talking to you about making money, and here's how we want you to make the money. And so you have young minds that are being influenced, but most importantly are trying to get a leg up or trying to earn their stripes or trying to find a way to pay their bills and to take care of themselves and their family, et cetera, et cetera, that are presented with these opportunities. So when you talk about a hip hop industry, you might talk about the artist, and I might say somebody like Bill O'Reilly is informed enough to know it extends far beyond that particular artist because those artists answer to somebody. Somebody makes those albums, they promote those albums, they market those albums, they disseminate.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, but the artist is creating it is creating the scenario that if you are a certain person, you can use that language. The reason that the minority unemployment is higher is because of the presentation. If you're an African American in this country and you present yourself in a way the employer believes is going to help the business, you'll get the job.

[Guest Commentator]

Not always.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No system is perfect. But if, but believe me, believe me, you have a just as good a chance to get that job. And you don't want to work for racist anyway. Okay?

[Guest Commentator]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But if you go in and you can't speak English and you're going the F word every two minutes and you got a tattoo of a panther on your neck, there's a good chance you're not gonna get the job.

[Guest Commentator]

That is totally true. But that is not a vast majority of African Americans out in this world. And you have to take that into consideration as well. Now, you might look at some members of the hip hop community and you might see that them acting a certain way, which is unfortunate, and we don't hesitate to call them out for that. But we also see a lot of these hip hop artists doing fantastic things within the community, within the world.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, but that doesn't justify. Look, Jay Z sold crack, all right? Killed people, all right? I have no respect for him. None. Zero.

[Guest Commentator]

Well, he's, he's. And he. And he's a friend of mine.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, I'm sorry. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm a truthful man. He sold crap.

[Guest Commentator]

So am I. So am I.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So if he would come out and he would say, I was absolutely wrong, don't use crack, all right? That is horrible.

[Guest Commentator]

And I'M saying to you is you can do two things at once. You can admit exactly what Bill O'Reilly said and then turn around and say, excuse me, this is what I had to do to survive. Because the opportunity.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't believe that for a second.

[Guest Commentator]

Well, time to tell my someone. You don't believe that because there are.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Most African Americans don't sell crack.

[Guest Commentator]

I understand that, but you're using a specific incident. I'm going to a macro perspective. There are an abundance of situations involving males in the African American community where trying times present themselves and challenges present themselves. I was fortunate and blessed enough to have a mother and a father in the home, Bill, even though my father wants to do.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And that's why, even though I feel terrible about the unsupervised children, not just African Americans, but all of them who get involved with this hip hop, which is going to hurt them. Last question. Wouldn't it be better.

[Guest Commentator]

Not as simple as that, but. Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wouldn't it be better for the world if Motown came back and all of the good songs that we still listen to 50, 60 years later, okay, dominated the music industry and not this other garbage? Wouldn't that be better?

[Guest Commentator]

I think a lot of it exists now. You've got a lot of beautiful artists out here. Have you ever listened to Joe? Have you ever listened to Akon? Have you ever listened to an abundance of other guys out there with some great music, some great albums out there? Whatever. Everybody can't be Prince, Michael Jackson, the Temptations, the Four Tops. You forgot to mention the Osley Brothers. Let's not forget about Teddy Pendergrass, Luther Vandross. We had a whole bunch of artists that were absolutely fabulous.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I gotta. I gotta stop you there on Cuomo tonight if we have time. You asked me about going to the Isley Brothers concert, Okay? I was the only white guy in there. The only white.

[Guest Commentator]

I remember you told me. I know you told me that, and I remember.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And the crowd.

[Guest Commentator]

But see, here's your problem. Here's your problem. You think. You think you're loved because you. You. You know, Bill O'Reilly is right, and he tells the truth. That's not why you're respected and why you can walk anywhere even when people disagree with you. Do you know what the real reason is, Bill? Even if we think you're wrong, we know you mean what you say. You believe it. You feel it. We could go on and on about this particular conversation. I could have corrected you on a few things, but I know that the foundation of your belief has some merit and you're bold enough and brave enough to say. Say it. And.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I appreciate the.

[Guest Commentator]

Rather than hiding behind some curtain. So that's where it comes from.

[Bo Dietl]

But it ain't because we think you're.

[Guest Commentator]

Right all the time.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Because. No, no. And I don't want you to. I don't want you to think I'm right. I just try to make an overwhelming case. And that's what the three Americans is all about. That's why it's sweeping the country. You got three separate guys who all have belief systems who throw it on out there, and then people can say, all right, that's been. That's it. Hey, Steven. We'll see. You.

[Guest Commentator]

Could be nicer to Chris Cuomo. That's the only thing we miss. You could be nicer to Chris.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He doesn't deserve it. Okay. I mean, I tell you, he just doesn't deserve it. All right, I'll see you soon. Thanks for helping us out. We appreciate it.