No Spin News - Weekend Edition - August 2, 2025

Summary

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis Episode: No Spin News - Weekend Edition - August 2, 2025 Release Date: August 2, 2025

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Introduction

In the August 2, 2025, edition of No Spin News Weekend Edition, host Bill O’Reilly engages in a robust discussion with political analyst Frankie Wilmer and guest Rafael Manguel, a PhD Professor of Political Science at the University of Colorado Boulder. The conversation delves into the current state of the Democratic Party, the impact of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) policies, crime rates in New York City, and a controversial investigation involving former President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

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Democratic Party Landscape

Frankie Wilmer opens the discussion by examining the Democratic Party's standing in the political arena. He highlights that while Barack Obama remains a significant figure within the party, his active involvement has waned. Wilmer points out other prominent Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders, labeling them as "communist people" and expressing skepticism about their influence and the party's future leadership.

Rafael Manguel counters by analyzing polling trends, noting the fluctuating support levels for Democrats over the years. He emphasizes that both Democrats and Republicans have experienced low points, attributing current Democratic struggles to economic factors such as trade deals and inflation. Manguel suggests that despite Trump's declining popularity (recorded at 37% in some polls), Democrats face challenges in mobilizing voters who may be disillusioned with both major parties.

Notable Quote:

• Frankie Wilmer [00:01-01:24]: "Most famous Democrat outside of Barack Obama is probably Ocasio Cortez or Bernie Sanders. And these are communist people."

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DEI Policies Debate

The conversation shifts to the contentious topic of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives. Wilmer criticizes DEI, arguing that it results in favoritism based on race and ethnicity, thereby creating new forms of discrimination. He asserts that DEI is "deeply unpopular," with around 60-65% of people opposing its implementation.

Rafael Manguel defends DEI, clarifying that its true intent is to build a qualified workforce that reflects America’s diversity. He contends that DEI aims for aspirational goals rather than enforcing preferential treatment. The debate highlights a fundamental divide over the interpretation and implementation of DEI policies, reflecting broader national tensions about race and equity.

Notable Quotes:

• Frankie Wilmer [09:00-10:00]: "Equity is about favoring certain groups. Don't give me that. It is favoritism."
• Rafael Manguel [10:25-10:38]: "Recruit a workforce, a qualified workforce that looks like America. It's that simple."

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Crime in New York City

A significant portion of the episode addresses the rise in violent crime in New York City. Wilmer references a recent mass shooting in Midtown Manhattan, emphasizing the city's deteriorating social order under Democratic leadership. He criticizes legislation passed by the Albany legislature that, in his view, has weakened law enforcement's ability to maintain public safety.

Rafael Manguel and guest Piers Morgan (appearing to represent a conservative viewpoint) further discuss the challenges facing the NYPD, including bail reform and legislative changes that they argue have contributed to increased crime rates. They debate potential solutions, such as increasing police personnel and reversing legislative reforms, while acknowledging the political obstacles posed by a predominantly Democratic state government.

Notable Quotes:

• Frankie Wilmer [17:00-19:00]: "New York City has declined in social order significantly. Everybody knows that."
• Piers Morgan [18:35-20:18]: "There's a separation. The only solution to violent crime is punishment. That is it."

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Alleged Investigation into Obama and Clinton

In a highly controversial segment, Wilmer introduces an ongoing criminal investigation implicating former President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in undermining the 2016 election. He asserts that a federal grand jury is considering charges against prominent Democratic figures, including John Brennan, the former CIA Director.

John Solomon, host of the Piers Morgan Uncensored podcast, provides a detailed account of the alleged collusion between Clinton and Obama to fabricate a Russian interference narrative favoring Donald Trump. Solomon outlines a timeline suggesting that intercepted communications indicated Clinton's intent to shift focus from her email scandal to Trump’s perceived Russian ties. He claims that key intelligence officials, including Brennan and James Comey, played roles in shaping this narrative, ultimately influencing the FBI's investigation and the Steele dossier's inclusion in intelligence assessments.

Frankie Wilmer and Solomon discuss the potential legal ramifications for Obama, Clinton, and other officials, amidst claims that political maneuvering and misinformation have compromised the integrity of the 2016 election investigation.

Notable Quotes:

• Frankie Wilmer [26:17-33:25]: "President Barack Obama didn't actively try to subvert the election or try to punish Donald Trump, I'm going to report that."
• John Solomon [29:29-37:45]: "Hillary Clinton knew and wanted a phony story about Donald Trump. Do I have that right? Yes."

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with Wilmer emphasizing his commitment to uncovering the truth behind the alleged political maneuvers involving high-profile Democratic figures. He underscores the importance of transparent reporting and holding powerful individuals accountable, promising to continue investigating and reporting on these critical issues.

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Key Takeaways

• Democratic Party Challenges: Internal struggles and lack of clear leadership could impact future elections.
• DEI Controversy: A heated debate over the true intent and impact of DEI policies reveals deep societal divisions.
• Rising Crime in NYC: Legislative changes and perceived weakening of law enforcement are blamed for increased violent crime rates.
• Alleged Political Collusion: Controversial claims suggest former Obama and Clinton orchestrated efforts to influence the 2016 election in favor of Trump, raising questions about the integrity of the investigation.

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Disclaimer: The views and claims expressed in this episode reflect the opinions of the hosts and guests. Listeners are encouraged to consult multiple sources for a comprehensive understanding of the discussed topics.

Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

Welcome to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I guess Barack Obama is still the most powerful Democrat, but he's not really actively involved. And there are some governors are going to run in 28, but nobody knows who they are. Most famous Democrat outside of Barack Obama is probably Ocasio Cortez or Bernie Sanders. And these are communist people. I mean, you know, so, you know, I'm a Democrat. It's going to be a tough road going forward. Midterms, you know, it's all about Trump in the midterms. Do Americans, are they fed up with him or not? But it looks like, as I said in the opening, that the economy, you know, with these trade deals and all that. So Democrats are not happy. And that is a memo. Joining us now from Denver, Colorado, is Frankie Wilmer. He's a PhD professor of political science at the University of Colorado Boulder, which has a lot of liberal people and Democrats. I worked in Denver for a couple of years. I am well versed at the UC Boulder. So first of all, Doctor, thank you for helping us. And am I making any mistakes?

[Rafael Manguel]

Not so far, for sure. I have to tell you something, though. This is the last time we met. Did you mention I was a legislator? Right on elected office for eight years. I actually bought political ads on your AM radio talk show.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Good. And I hope they helped out. Well, you are, you are a registered Democrat, because I asked my staff, I said, get me a smart Democrat, get me somebody who's not going to come in here and just throw propaganda my way. So from your perch in the Rocky Mountains now, do you see any hope for your party in the next few years?

[Rafael Manguel]

Well, you know, you talked about the polls. The polls go up and down. There have been times in the past you said this is the lowest point for Democrats in 35 years. Yeah, 25 years. And just in 24, 2013 and 2017, polls showed Republicans at about the same place. So it's even more recently. So, yeah, they go up and down. I don't think we've seen the effects of the tariffs whenever they're going to come and go, come and go on inflation. We definitely have not seen the impact of the Medicare, Medicare cuts, Medicaid cuts, especially to the rural hospitals and health caregivers. And those rural states are mostly red, too, by the way. So I think that's going to have an impact. And, you know, we talked about the cratering of support for or favorability for Democrats. Donald Trump's popularity has been cratering as well. I mean, he's at 37. We're at 33, but.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Well, he's 40. He's 46 in a Journal poll.

[Rafael Manguel]

July.

[Frankie Wilmer]

7Th through July, you know, but we. Okay, we know where he is. Right, okay. All right.

[Rafael Manguel]

Pretty reliable. The point is that the Republicans control all three branches. They control both houses and the presidency and they have more Republican appointed Supreme Court justices.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Well, the only hope you have is if people turn on Trump. But my analysis is even if that happens, they're not going to vote. Not going to vote for you. They're not going to vote for you guys. Because all of the things that I listed are in stone. They happen. So if, say there's an independent voters and they, and they make the calls now and I go, I don't think Trump's doing a good job for whatever reason. Some of the reasons that you mentioned, they're not going to go in and pull a lever for Democrats after Biden and Harris and all of these people disappointed everybody so badly, they just won't vote.

[Rafael Manguel]

Biden's first election and Obama's two elections both polled very positively with independents. And as you know, the same Wall Street Journal poll shows that independents were the biggest chunk of losses for the Republicans, 29% or something down among independents. So, yeah, swing point voters are where it's at. I actually think part of the problem is, is that voters, first of all, as you know, politics is mostly emotional, not. Not so rational. It's about how people identify and how they feel about things. And so that can be very different than reality. And that's about getting the message and the messengers to deliver the message in a clear.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Who is, who is the. Who's the messenger? You don't have a leader. Democratic Party has no leader.

[Rafael Manguel]

It's not just that. I, I could go through a list of people. You name some of them. I think they're very articulate, but nobody.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Knows who they are. There's not one Democrat out outside of the Communist convention.

[Rafael Manguel]

Nobody knew who Obama was either. So in the next.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, but we're talking closer to the.

[Rafael Manguel]

Election cycle, to the campaign cycle, messengers will emerge. Buddha Judge. Gretchen.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Buddha Judge. You can't. The air traffic controller situation is desperate.

[Rafael Manguel]

We've got plenty.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Well, well, well, well, well, Doc.

[Rafael Manguel]

I like Wes Moore.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Gavin, but nobody knows who the Governor Moore. Nobody knows who he is. Gavin Newsom is poison for your party. He's got to know that.

[Rafael Manguel]

It's not time. But I want to make a little bit of a different point on kind of as a political scientist, the voters clearly, if in the Mamdani I know you're going to call him a communist. We'll talk about communism later maybe, but his election in the mayoral primary. Democrat. Yeah, and Biden's. I mean, Trump's election as president has a really clear message for all of us, which is voters are tired of. And they don't want to support candidates who are canned, candidates who are scripted, candidates who are handled.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I agree with that. But. But you're getting. You're putting. Remember, Doctor, remember, Remember Sarah Palin when she got the nomination in Minneapolis, the famous line that she stole? You're putting lipstick on a pig. All right, so Mamdani is a communist. The guy wants to see democratic socialist, just like everybody. That's what he says he is. But then when you read his screeds, he wants to seize control of the private economy, which is what he said. That's what he said.

[Rafael Manguel]

But I've listened to him four times.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I live here hour. You live there. I live here.

[Rafael Manguel]

All the people who.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I know what he says.

[Rafael Manguel]

Okay, my point. He's a socialist Democrat, just like everybody in Scandinavia is a democratic socialist. And they're not communist.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Way more than that. Way more than that. Now, listen, if you're going to bank on Mandani to be a positive for the Democratic Party, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

[Rafael Manguel]

That was the message of his win. We don't.

[Frankie Wilmer]

His win was 22%. Only 22% of the. Of the Democratic registered voters cast a ballot in that. In a primary. That was nothing. It's. It's New York. It's chaos. He's not going to win. He's not going to win a mayoral race. But what they're going to do, you.

[Rafael Manguel]

Know, we can talk about mayoral race another time. The point is.

[Frankie Wilmer]

No, no, we're not going to talk about it now. The Republicans. Doctor, give me 30. I'll give you 30. Republicans are going to tie a millstone. The Democratic Mills is going to say Democrats right around this guy's neck, okay? And that's what they're going to do because he's so far out there. But just the fact that you brought him up and we're talking about him now shows there isn't one mainstream Democrat, not one, okay. That can spur the message of the Democratic Party. There isn't anybody.

[Rafael Manguel]

I like Chris Murphy. I like.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Who is he? Nobody knows him.

[Rafael Manguel]

Gavin Newsom. I like Gavin Newsom. Presidents who lost their first race run and then won the second term, and presidents two times. Cleveland and Trump won a first term, lost a second, came Back for a third. So I don't write off Kamala Harris even.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I got. I got one specific question for you. When Gavin Newsom took over from Jerry Brown in California, the state had a surplus of more than $100 million. They are now 34 billion in dollars in debt or something. And you like them?

[Rafael Manguel]

I said, I like him. I.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Why you like his hair? Guys as inefficient as any politician I've ever seen. And Buttigieg is second. You can't even get on a plane.

[Rafael Manguel]

Bill, I want to go back to two things you said. One is that DEI is about showing favorability for people because of their skin color. That is not what it is.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Equity. That is what equity is, and that's in dei.

[Rafael Manguel]

People who want to misinform and mislead the public are saying that. But I worked in that business in civil rights legislation.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Look up equity favoritism to certain groups.

[Rafael Manguel]

Look it up for white men for 200 years.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So what? So what?

[Rafael Manguel]

Favoritism.

[Frankie Wilmer]

You don't correct a historical wrong by instituting another wrong.

[Rafael Manguel]

I've heard you say that before, too. But you know what? You didn't write the Constitution, and still you want the rights that it presents you.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So I want. I want everybody to have an equal opportunity to pursue happiness.

[Rafael Manguel]

You can't just pick the parts of history that benefit.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Look, come on, doctor. You know DEI is deeply unpopular. You know it's deeply unpopular about what it is.

[Rafael Manguel]

It's unpopular the way it's presented, the way you just said. Which is not what it is.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's favoritism towards certain groups. Don't give me that. It is favoritism.

[Rafael Manguel]

Recruit a workforce, a qualified workforce that looks like America. It's that simple.

[Frankie Wilmer]

That's favoring certain people based on skin color and ethnicity.

[Rafael Manguel]

Aspiration, not a policy.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Aspiration is fine. Knocking people out because they're not the right color isn't. And that's what the Democrats support.

[Rafael Manguel]

Supreme Court has ruled on this.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Why do you think DEI is not. Is so far down in the polls you realize it's 60, 65.

[Rafael Manguel]

People like you are giving misinformation to people.

[Frankie Wilmer]

My information. Look it up. Look up equity.

[Rafael Manguel]

Look up the definition, Title seven, word for word. It prevents employment, fiscal, financial, credit, housing, discrimination against protected classes of people.

[Frankie Wilmer]

That's fine.

[Rafael Manguel]

That's fine.

[Frankie Wilmer]

We're talking about hiring and admissions to universities. You don't do that on skin color. And they have been doing it.

[Rafael Manguel]

You know, it has said that you don't. The Supreme Court agrees with that.

[Frankie Wilmer]

And you don't think colleges, employers do that? You don't think Boulder does that? Come on.

[Rafael Manguel]

I don't think they choose a less qualified person because their skin color. No.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right, look, I want to go. Next time you visit the Land of Oz, I want to go with you.

[Rafael Manguel]

Is this Land of Oz?

[Frankie Wilmer]

I appreciate the lively debate, Doctor. Thank you very much.

[Caitlin Becker]

What do you think makes the perfect snack?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Could you be more specific?

[Bill O'Reilly]

When it's cravinient.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at am, pm. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at am, pm.

[Rafael Manguel]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Caitlin Becker]

Crave, which is anything from A and pm.

[Bill O'Reilly]

What more could you want? Stop by AMPM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience ampm. Too much. Good stuff.

[Mike Baker]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Daily Brief, you're listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

[John Solomon]

All right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

NYC shooting. You know, it's a saturation coverage. You know all about it. Some nut walks into a building in midtown Manhattan and he kills four people, including a NYPD officer. All right, Shane Tamora, 27, African American. Shot himself after he killed the four. Horrible. Could have been anywhere. You know, at the same time he was doing this, there was a mass shooting in Reno, Nevada. It got no coverage. Now, this is elevated because a police officer was shot and his name is Diderol Islam. Interesting story here with this man, 36 years old, immigrant from Bangladesh. Of course he's legal. He signs up for the cops three and a half years ago. He's a good man by all accounts. Two young sons, wife pregnant. Okay? And he's dead because his nut shot him for no reason. And I've been looking at the motivation, which is the important part of the story. So this guy was really insane. The shooter, Tamara, he writes a Suicide note that says he has a brain disease and it's the National Football League's fault. He has a brain disease. He never played football. So he walks into the building where the NFL headquarters are. That's the story. Totally out of his mind. Okay? Now, the bigger picture is that I said this could happen anywhere, and it's absolutely true. But in New York City, there is a climate of fear. After this broadcast, I have to go into that city, all right? 100 degrees, and everybody knows me. I'm a hometown boy, and I talk to people and they're afraid. And here's what I said on News Nation last night. Go. The state of the country is this. In the rural areas and in most smaller cities, you don't have this chaotic anarchy as far as crime. In states like Texas and Florida, big, big states, all right? Throughout the south, they do enforce the law. They punish violent criminals harshly, okay? There is a separation. The only solution of violent crime is punishment. That is it. You know, I wrote a book called Confronting Evil will be out in September. All of these evil mass murderers got away with it because the people in their countries looked away. Just like the people in Los Angeles and San Francisco. New York City, on and on, they looked away. You will not stop these monsters unless you punish them. Now, New York City has declined in social order significantly. Everybody knows that. All right? The past 12 years have been horrific under de Blasio and the current mayor, Eric Adams. Why? Because the legislature in Albany passed a law that says you can commit a violent crime. You can punch somebody in the face, breaking their nose, and you will not be held on any bail at all. You can go out and punch somebody else, okay? That's insane. Because Democrats control New York City and state, and there isn't any Democrat who is opposed to it. So social order has declined drastically in almost every area. The city is filthy. The subways and certain lines are dangerous. The thugs run wild. The drug addicts are ruining neighborhoods. This is a quality of life. Now, when you have that atmosphere in any city, San Francisco, probably the best example, all right? Violence rises. The violent culture kicks in. Now, that's not to say this guy, because he's from Nevada, the shooter yesterday, all right, Was part of that culture, but he came to New York, all right? And was I surprised? No, because I see violent crime every day in this city. I wasn't surprised. Joining us now is Rafael Manguel. He is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. The Manhattan Institute studies New York City, all right, and state to some extent. So Raphael Wrote a book called Criminal Injustice. What the push for decarceration and de Policing gets wrong and who it hurts the most. All right, now we have a mayoral race coming up, as everybody knows, and this ma', am, Donnie, who won the Democratic primary, is a communist. And he wants to. Basically, he's not going to admit anymore he wants to defund the police, even though he said that. But he is anti police. He doesn't believe in. And the only thing that's keeping New York City even afloat is the police department. That's it. Okay. And he'll not attack, but he'll marginalize the police department if he wins. Are you with me so far, Rafael? Do you agree with that?

[Piers Morgan]

I'm with you so far, yeah.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay.

[Piers Morgan]

Go even further.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay.

[Piers Morgan]

Probably going further.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Let's say. Let's play a conservative here. Okay. You know, let's just do that. Because the city's quality of life is so far out of control now, the man is going to make it worse. And that'll lead to an exit exodus of affluent people out of New York City and State, taking their tax revenue with them. Your mayor, Rafael. Okay, this happened before. This happened before Giuliani came in after a series of weakmares and cleaned it up. Could that happen again?

[Piers Morgan]

Oh, it could absolutely happen again. We know not only from history that we've been able to clean up a mess far bigger than the one that we have now, but we also have the lessons that were learned during that period of how to do it. We also have the technology to do it much more efficiently and quickly now. So there really is a key component here, and you put your finger on it earlier, which is that the NYPD has to be front and center in this effort. And that is one of the things that I do think scares voters about this Zoran Mamdani character, because not only is he on the record multiple times saying that he wants to defund and abolish the nypd, not to mention jails and prisons and all of those things that help keep us safe, but even as he's moderated or pretended to moderate on those positions, he's moderated to a level that is still unsatisfactory. I mean, the most recent thing that I think he said was that he would try to maintain the current force level that the NYPD has. Well, the current force level that the NYPD has is significantly below the ideal.

[Frankie Wilmer]

10,000.

[Piers Morgan]

The turn of the century, it's 10,000 below.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, so say that he. I don't think he's going to win. I think something's going to happen here. And this mass, this shooting is going to hurt him, Mamdani. So it gets people's attention. And are they going to vote for a soft on crime guy? It's going to hurt him. But what has to happen in the city, you say the police have to take the lead. I agree. But the police can arrest as many people as they want. If the judges are just kicking them back to the street because of the state legislature signed by Cuomo, another person running for mayor, then there's no solution. You arrest guy goes in, judge lets him out, he commits more crimes, right?

[Piers Morgan]

That's exactly right. So the bail reform, as well as the two other recent state level reforms to the state's discovery laws, which impose administrative burdens on prosecutors who have to now do significantly more work to bring cases such that they have to triage and choose which cases they're going to prosecute in which they're going to allow to be dismissed for failure to comply with, with these regulations. But also there was a juvenile justice bill that was passed in 2018 called the Raise the age law, which basically makes it impossible to incarcerate 16 and 17 year olds who can.

[Frankie Wilmer]

No matter what they do, right? No matter what they do. All right, so you can't put it. All right, so what is the solution?

[Piers Morgan]

Let me just quickly tell you the the worst part about all of this. Because even if we were to fix the NYPD and even if we were to convince the legislature to undo these bad laws, Rikers island, which is New York City's jail complex, is set to close in August of 2027. And there is not going to be a jail system that is going.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I don't think that's going to happen. Let's, let's. I don't think that's going to happen. The feds will take it over.

[Piers Morgan]

I sure hope not.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay. But again, I'm wanting solutions here. You say if we can convince Albany to do X and Y. You know what? The state is the highest tax state in the Union is run by far left people and the Democratic machine. I don't think it's realistic. They may moderate a little bit because Hochul is really underwater in the governor campaign. But in the city itself, you've had such poor leadership for 12 years. I mean, what is a new mayor going to come in? What is he going to do? What should he do?

[Piers Morgan]

But I think the most important thing that the mayor can do is a keep Jessica Tish in charge of the nypd.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, that's a police commissioner. She's done a good job. I agree. Tish, stay.

[Piers Morgan]

Invest in hiring at least 7 to 10,000 more police officers and to do it very, very quickly without. And this is the real challenge, without maintaining the lower standards.

[Frankie Wilmer]

But nobody want. Look, they can't even get people to sign up because the police officers don't want to come into a system where they make an arrest and it doesn't matter. And if you're a police officer in New York City, right, if you make one mistake, you're going to be sued civilly or charged criminally. Who wants to go into a system like that? You're never going to get 10,000 people to come in, ever.

[Piers Morgan]

That's exactly right. I mean, and this is the real challenge because what people don't really understand is that as bad as the recruiting and retention crisis in the NYPD is now, it's about to get significantly worse over the next couple years because we have several thousand officers who are going to become eligible for retirement and they're.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Going to take it.

[Piers Morgan]

I do think that that's the case.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Right.

[Piers Morgan]

So there are things, though, that I do think that the next mayor can do to innovate and make the job more attractive to high quality candidates. One of those things, I'm not sure.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Not with that legislature. All right, final question. Your opinion is that it has to come from law enforcement. The changes in the city and the quality of life changes have to come from the police themselves. I don't think that's possible. When you have marijuana smoke on every city, on every block in the city, when you have Alvin Bragg And Darcelle Clark, DA's of Manhattan and the Bronx, and these people do not want to prosecute most crimes. You know that. I know that. The stats show that, okay, the cops can't do it by themselves. And if you have a weak mayor and none of the candidates we asked to have the Republican running, Curtis Lewa on as a guest tonight to show put out his platform. He wouldn't. Come on. You don't want to come up against me. He doesn't want to answer the specific questions. So I assume a Democrat will win and that Democrat will just do what the other Democrats. Maybe not quite as bad. Cuomo is not going to be as bad as de Blasio. But is he a reformer? Cuomo, no last word.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I certainly don't think Cuomo's a reformer. In fact, his name is on many of the pieces of legislation that are causing a lot of the problems that we are still dealing with. But, but I do think it's going to take a mayor that has recognized that the problems lie in Albany, that those laws need to change and who is committed to investing in the NYPD and putting pressure, using the bully pulpit on people like Alvin Bragg and Darcelle Clark to do more and to do more quickly.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I don't know. This city needs about six months of martial law and that's what it needs. And if it doesn't get it, it's going to be next year at this time 100 times worse than now. And that's, that's going to be, there's going to be disorder in the streets. Rafael, thanks very much for the time. I appreciate it very much.

[Bill O'Reilly]

This is the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Let's get to the hard news. Here are the top people involved in the criminal investigation that is just beginning. President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, former CIA chief John Brennan, former director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI chief James Comey, Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe. Again, most conservatives, or many conservatives, I think that would be more fair. Have already convicted them all. Okay. But only a grand jury, a federal grand jury can bring charges.

[Hillary Clinton]

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[Caitlin Becker]

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[Frankie Wilmer]

That's it. Nobody else. A federal grand jury. In order to bring those charges, the Justice Department, Pam Bondi is going to be the lead. Will have to present hard data to those people so that they would indict. That's our system. Okay, one more thing on this. I just want to know the truth. That's all I want to know. And if the truth is that President Obama didn't actively try to subvert the election or try to punish Donald Trump, I'm going to report that. And if the truth is that he did, I'll report that as well. Okay. I'm going to be a really tough guy here. If you don't want that kind of reporting, you got plenty of cables on both sides that are going to give you the propaganda. I'm not going to do that. Everything will be backed up. And that's the memo. And joining us now from Washington is the aforementioned John Solomon. All right, so this all began with Tulsi Gabbard, Director of Intelligence, putting forth that, you know, there may be some criminal charges here. The media has largely ignored it on the left and the right wing media has, you know, stoked it. Would that be accurate so far?

[John Solomon]

That is a complete accurate picture.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Yep, Yep. You're not going to get this in a Washington Post, New York Times Network news. Let's start with the most important person in the investigation, President Obama.

[John Solomon]

Yes.

[Frankie Wilmer]

What do we know about his participation, or lack thereof, in the Russian collusion story?

[John Solomon]

Well, we know from the evidence that's now public, which we didn't all see years ago when this began unraveling, is that in late July of 2016, right after Hillary Clinton was cleared in the email case, even though there had just been new evidence surfaced that maybe she had been compromised in her email. They didn't investigate. They clear them. She makes a pivot. The Russian government intercepts her aides talking about she's approved a plan to fake a Russian scandal to change the dialogue from her emails to Donald Trump's alleged complicity with Russia. They know.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Let me stop you there.

[John Solomon]

Yeah.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So this came out of the. A Russian informant. Is that what we believe?

[John Solomon]

It's the way it's been described, John, by John Durham is it looks like it's a highly classified program of intercepts. We probably intercepted their intelligence or their people being briefed on intelligence.

[Frankie Wilmer]

According to Durham, the special counsel, U.S. intel intercepted some Russian chat on. Okay, that said Hillary Clinton knew and wanted a phony story about Donald Trump. Do I have that right?

[John Solomon]

That's right. And specifically, specifically to end the conversation about our email scandal. That's the part that's very important.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right. They would divert attention away from. All right, now, you would have to then see what the intercept was and put it in context in order to condemn Hillary Clinton. So Barack Obama then, what's his participation?

[John Solomon]

So that intercept is made by the United states government on July 26, 2016. On July 28, just two days later, the CIA director at the time, John Brennan was so concerned about what the Russians knew and the specificity of it, he decided to brief President Barack Obama directly. That's unusual. Cuz if you thought it was disinformation, you're not going to waste the President's time on it.

[Frankie Wilmer]

How do we know, how do we know that Brennan debriefed Obama story?

[John Solomon]

We have a record of the meeting on the President's schedule and then on John Brennan comes out of that meeting and writes notes. And we have the direct notes of what John Brennan told the President. That John Brennan wrote in his notes.

[Frankie Wilmer]

What did he tell, what did he tell Barack Obama?

[John Solomon]

That there was foreign intelligence. That the, that Hillary Clinton had personally approved a plan to demonized President Donald Trump by suggesting he was in cahoots with Russia to hijack the 2016 election.

[Frankie Wilmer]

What they say, what was Obama's reply to what Brennan told him?

[John Solomon]

We don't know. Barack Obama has never been questioned and John Brennan says he doesn't quite recall much about.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Doesn't recall.

[John Solomon]

Right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Where did Brennan say he doesn't recall?

[John Solomon]

He was questioned in Congress, I believe in 2023 by Matt Gaetz. And he, he's a little vague on that. There's also some references in the Durham report. They're a little cryptic. And so one of the things we think should be released soon, we're working to get is the actual transcript of John Durham's eight hour interview with John Brennan. We think that could be an important piece of evidence, obviously.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, so let's advance the story now. So you got Brennan debriefing Obama on Russian intercepts that accuse Hillary Clinton of, of fabricating a story to damage Trump. What happens after President Obama hears that from Brennan?

[John Solomon]

In the six day period that follows that briefing, there's an extraordinary amount of activity. First, an Australian diplomat that has a long relationship with the Clintons. His name is Alexander Downer. He had donated a large amount of Australian tax dollars to the Clinton Foundation. Longtime friend of the Clintons. He comes forward and tells the fba, oh, I remember this conversation from May. And, and I think the Trump campaign might have been working with Russia to hack the election. The very storyline that the Russians are actually intercepting that Hillary Clinton says that's going to be the fake story. He comes forward based on that information, the FBI opens the crossfire hurricane investigation.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right, so a friend of the Clintons. Friend of the Clintons tells who the FBI is that to the FBI. He goes to the FBI, volunteers a report. All right, this is James Comey he says that he has information that the Russian intercept is bull. That there was a real.

[John Solomon]

No. What he said. No, actually, what he's saying is back in May, he had an interaction with a Trump staffer. I believe it's George Papadopoulos. And he walked away from that conversation thinking that George Papadopoulos might have been hinting that might have been.

[Frankie Wilmer]

I got. So he's trying to reinforce the validity of the story.

[John Solomon]

That's right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So Comey then opens an investigation, right?

[John Solomon]

That's right. Pete Struck. Right. That's the agent who does it.

[Frankie Wilmer]

And then what happens after that?

[John Solomon]

Three days after the investigations open, President Obama convenes a national security meeting in the Situation Room. And there he brings in his top people. John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey. Very important that he's in that meeting. And he orders that a fusion cell be stood up to begin investigating whether Russia is working with Donald Trump or on its own to influence the election.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, let's stop. Let's stop there. Obama convenes a meeting. Right. All right, all. And what was Clapper, Director of National Intelligence? Did he have anything to do with this? Did he contribute anything to this?

[John Solomon]

He's part of the effort to set up that fusion cell. He's the top intelligence officer in the land, so he's supervising the project.

[Frankie Wilmer]

But his crew intercepted the Russian thing that said.

[John Solomon]

Probably the CIA did the intercept. Yeah. So one down from him. CIA is one of those agencies that report up to Clapper. The CIA is the one who gets that intercept and then alerts.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, but Clapper knew about it. Is Clapper refuting it or saying, no, it's real. Do we know?

[John Solomon]

We don't know.

[Frankie Wilmer]

We don't know Clapper's opinion.

[John Solomon]

Right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So Obama's got all his guys in there, and they're all talking about this back and forth so far. If I were President, I'd have my guys in there, too. Sure. I would be talking about this. Right?

[John Solomon]

I agree. Okay. I would.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right, so so far, we have Brennan, little nebulous. We have Hillary accused of the mastermind of all this. Right. Then after the meeting, Homie carries on his investigation, right?

[John Solomon]

Yes, sir, he does.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Does he come to a conclusion?

[John Solomon]

He. He decides that it is worth by September, escalating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the FISA court, the Special Spy.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Court, two months before the election.

[John Solomon]

Right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Homie uses this unverified information that's been challenged by the Russian intercept to get warrants to what, eavesdrop on the Trump campaign?

[John Solomon]

That's right. Specifically Carter Page, which would give him a backdoor into the entire Trump campaign in Russia. So two weeks, two months before they're spying on the opposition party's campaign, did.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Comey ever explain why he used unverified information to get a court appointed wire?

[John Solomon]

He has said that he thought it met the standards for the FISA warrant. We now know from. That's right. We now know it didn't meet the standards.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Right, of course. Because all the story's phony.

[John Solomon]

That's right, yeah. From the beginning.

[Frankie Wilmer]

But then Obama, did he step back and let the FBI do what they do or did he get involved further?

[John Solomon]

He stays out of it. All the way through the election, Obviously, Donald Trump does the, I think unthinkable for Democrats. He beats Hillary Clinton. Right. And then there's a very important pivot after that.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay, well, I'll get to that in a moment. So from the time he held his cabinet meeting about the Russian collusion accusation to election day, Barack Obama really didn't have any kind. He wasn't.

[John Solomon]

None that we know of. We don't know of any other events. Right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right, he wasn't proactive. And you'd have to have a whistleblower come up and say, that's right, that he did. You know, he was behind it. All right, so after Trump beats Clinton, then Barack Obama swings into some kind of action. What was that?

[John Solomon]

Let me give you two other little data points. Cause I think they're gonna be important as we go down this map. I don't wanna lose the timeline for people.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay.

[John Solomon]

July 5th is the day that James Comey magically waved his magic wand and said, I'm absolving Hillary Clinton. The FBI doesn't have the right to do that. But he did it. We all remember July 5th.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Right?

[John Solomon]

And remember what the Russians intercepted, that this was a pivot point. That Hillary want to change the conversation from her email scandal to a fake Donald Trump scandal. That same day, July 5, 2016, the same day she knows James Comey is clearing her, Christopher Steele walks into the FBI with the first version of his dossier. So literally on the exact same day, when people look and say, boy, these are some coincidences that are serious. The day that she's getting absolved is the day she starts the Steele dossier. She's paid for the Steele dossier. Steele walks in, look, and that process.

[Frankie Wilmer]

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.

[John Solomon]

Yeah, it's pretty big. Okay, one more date. Why Obama sitting present, not doing anything. In September, the intelligence community, James Clapper James Brennan, all The experts, all 17 intelligence agencies say, listen, there's some evidence that Russia did the hacking on Hillary Clinton's emails. They're doing some typical countermeasures we normally see, but we do not believe that Vladimir Putin is trying to pick one candidate over the other. That is the assessment of all 17 agencies. So the belief is, all right, there might have been some normal funny business that Russia does every time, but they're just trying to sow mischief. They're not trying to pick one candidate over the other. What is the assessment?

[Frankie Wilmer]

What did Brennan and Clapper say about that consensus? Anything on the record?

[John Solomon]

They delivered it. They were the ones who delivered to the president at some point.

[Frankie Wilmer]

They're backing their commute.

[John Solomon]

Not at all. Okay, not at all.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right, so then in December, President elect Trump is gathering his crew and Barack Obama reinserts himself into this. What does he do?

[John Solomon]

He does. There's an incredible moment that occurs just before he gets activated. Over the Thanksgiving holidays, late November 2016, the intelligence community comes back and said, we think we were right. It is clear that Vladimir Putin didn't try to sway the election towards Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. In fact, the best evidence of it is what's happened in October, In October of 2016, when most Americans are making up their mind about who they're going to pick. The debates are going on. That's majority Americans decide. Last minute, Vladimir Putin withdrew all of his countermeasures in the United States. He was not trying to. To drop any more damaging.

[Frankie Wilmer]

And Obama acknowledges all of this?

[John Solomon]

Well, it's briefed, right? It is briefed. So on the end of November, the Gang of Eight in Congress is briefed on this, which is our assessment that we gave you and the president in September, appears to be accurate. And the best evidence is that last month of the election, Vladimir Putin pulled out. He had more shots he could have fired at Hillary Clinton. He doesn't fire them. He holds them back. And in fact, he seems resigned in October that he was going to have Hillary Clinton as a president. They briefed that to Congress and now they're about to brief it to Obama. They're supposed to tell obama that on December 9th. And a funny thing happens. Obama convenes a meeting on December 5, approximately, and decides he wants a new intelligence assessment, the one he was about to get. We don't know. We don't know the reason.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So he doesn't like this one.

[John Solomon]

He wants someone doesn't like this one. That's right. And Congress has already been given the.

[Frankie Wilmer]

How do we know that? How do we know that Obama wanted a new intelligence assessment of Russian collusion?

[John Solomon]

In the just declassified House Intelligence Committee report that did a review of this whole episode, there is a specific executive order that the House Intelligence Committee was shown showing that Barack Obama ordered a new intelligence assessment.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Assessment. Okay, what does that indicate? So maybe he just wanted to be 100% correct, or, you know, is there two possibilities?

[John Solomon]

Yeah, two possibilities from the testimony of people that we've been able to read. One is there were people who just didn't like that assessment. They wanted to push the narrative that Hillary Clinton lost. Yeah. Donald Trump cheated to win. There are other people. When the president hears this, other people say, well, the president's hearing that from some people, and he sees the intelligence community. He's got two different sides of the story. He wants everybody to go back.

[Frankie Wilmer]

He wants some clarity.

[John Solomon]

Look, more time. Yeah. And that could be a reasonable thing to do.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So far, I haven't heard anything about Barack Obama that's gonna get him indicted by a federal grand jury. I have heard that Hillary Clinton is in big trouble. Brennan, you would have to have. You know, in the report that you just referred to, which is a majority report, it was written by Republicans, but there was no dissent from the Democrats on the committee. And Schiff was the head of that. No written dissent at all, because I had to argue with Cuomo about that. But anyway, what's the most damning evidence against Brennan?

[John Solomon]

So when he takes over this new assessment, the normal way you do it is you bring all 17 people back to the chair, you get your 17 intelligence. Let's all come together, and let's give the President the best thing. He doesn't do that. He cuts everybody out of the picture except for the CIA, who he runs, the FBI, who James Comey runs, and the nsa, who's run by a guy named Admiral Mike Rogers, who, by the way, warns President Trump in a meeting during the transition that, I think the intelligence community may be spying on you, so be careful. Maybe you should move out of New York and go to Washington. Very important moment. He had concerns about what was going on. So instead of on the full assessment, John Brennan brings it down to the two agencies that have been pursuing Trump for the last years, and then Mike Rogers, the NSA guy, and they do a rushed job. They handpick their own people. They don't let the agencies pick their people, and they inject into to get to the point that they need to or to get to the point that they ultimately decide on that they're going to flip the conclusion. No. Vladimir Putin really was helping Donald Trump. They have to do two.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So the new assessment. Right. That Obama ordered says that all of the other evidence is wrong, that Putin did try to undermine the election. Correct?

[John Solomon]

That's right. That is correct. That's.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So Brennan. Brennan has some debt. Looks like he's a clapper. I don't know if he's got a deficit or not. Do you think he's in trouble?

[John Solomon]

Don't know yet. Okay, well, listen, he would know what was going on.

[Frankie Wilmer]

He had to know what was going on. It's whether he promoted it or not.

[John Solomon]

That's right. That's right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

And then Comey had to know what was going on, too, Right?

[John Solomon]

He definitely. Because he is the guy that wants the Steele dossier put into the ICA intelligence assessment. There's only two things in the assessment that according to the John Durham Report and now the House Intelligence Committee report that leaned into the notion that Vladimir Putin put his finger on the scale for Trump. The first is the Steele dossier, which was fun. It was. And by the way, totally made up. It was already known to be phony. Christopher Steele's.

[Frankie Wilmer]

But he wanted it. Comey wanted it in the record anyway. That's a deficit.

[John Solomon]

Brendan does that. Yeah, that's. And Brennan pushes his staff. Brennan's staff tells him, we've seen the emails. This would be a disgrace to the intelligence community to put this in an official assessment. It would harm all the other good work we've done. He orders it. He says, I don't care. You're putting it in.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right. And then there's one other thing. Right. So it's a lot for the audience to absorb.

[John Solomon]

It is. It is.

[Frankie Wilmer]

So here's from what you have just told me, and I'm not challenging any of what you just told me. I think it's 100% accurate. It looks to me like there's not enough to go after Obama at this point.

[John Solomon]

Right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

There is enough to go after Hillary Clinton. Yep. There is enough to go after Brennan.

[John Solomon]

Right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Clapper. Not enough right now.

[John Solomon]

Assessments.

[Frankie Wilmer]

There is enough. So it would be Comey.

[John Solomon]

Comey's got a lot of Hillary issues at this point.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Brennan and Comey would be the three that you could bring into a grand jury, a federal grand jury, and say they committed a massive fraud, violating every election law.

[John Solomon]

Yep.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Okay.

[John Solomon]

And let me mention something that people say about Barack Obama. It's based on the evidence. And again, this is the contrarian side to that. I could argue Barack Obama would do what a president would do if there was conflict in front of him. The one thing that Barack Obama. We don't have an answer to. We need to press him. We've tried. He won't give us an answer. Is after you knew that there was a suspicion that Hillary Clinton was setting this all in motion and then you're told the FBI has opened up a fusion cell and they're looking at it. Why didn't you say something? Are you sure that we're not. He doesn't seem to object to it. That's the one thing. That's the judgment thing. I don't know if it's criminal, but it's a judgment.

[Frankie Wilmer]

You're never gonna get it. Cause he'll claim executive privilege if Congress calls him. He'll call him executive privilege if the FBI goes in to try to investigate him.

[John Solomon]

That's right.

[Frankie Wilmer]

And then the Supreme Court has ruled, as in the Trump case, that under the executive branch got all kinds of powers. All right, John, very good. And I think we did about as good a job as we could to lay it out to everybody in a very confusing situation where we are right now. And I, I hope you'll keep in touch with us when you get new stuff.

[John Solomon]

I will.

[Frankie Wilmer]

This is an unbelievably important story for the country.

[John Solomon]

Tomorrow is going to be the most important day of all the revelations we've had this year, Bill. We should keep an eye on it. I believe it'll be. Senator Chuck Grassi will release this classified annex of the Durham report. And in that report we're going to learn something very important. We're going to learn that the FBI also knew, like Barack Obama, that Hillary had set this fake story in motion and they decided to proceed with evidence that they knew was coming from Hillary Clinton. That's going to be the first time. It's a very important moment.

[Frankie Wilmer]

That's a crime.

[John Solomon]

And then it's important because one other thing, I want to take us just one week ahead just because I'll leave him at a cliffhanger. But in January, for the first time, Barack Obama does something that a lot of people are deeply concerned about. In fact, an FBI agent wrote personal notes saying how concerned he was about it after they released the Intelligence Committee assessment. That's flip flopped. The FBI has decided that Mike Flynn, the incoming National Security Advisor, did nothing wrong. They want to shut the investigation of Mike Flynn down on the same day that Barack Obama is releasing this new Intelligence Committee assessment that does the 180 degree flip right he presides over a meeting at the White House. And at that meeting they're told the FBI has cleared Mike Flynn and they sit with Joe Biden and other top aids saying how can we keep an investigation of Mike Flynn going even though he's not done anything wrong? And they scheme up an idea. They talk about the Logan act that wasn't going to be applied, but they talked about it and they come up with the idea. Let's get him to an interview.

[Frankie Wilmer]

Separate case though that'll be a case.

[John Solomon]

In this should be viewed as a continuation of a conspiracy. That's what some people feel.

[Frankie Wilmer]

All right, John Solomon, thanks again. We really appreciate it.

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