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Welcome to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.
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I put the number of evil human beings at 15% of the world population. The problem is that with the good people there are not a hundred percent trying to mitigate the evil. A lot of people turn away. I don't want to be involved, ignore it. Nothing I can do, I'm afraid. Whatever it may be, wherever it may be, all right, you got to protect yourself. We all understand that. But you also have to get involved, in my opinion. So you know, Hanukkah is here. Christmas, two weeks away, ten days away. Geez. We don't want you to be depressed. We want you to be realistic. We want you to read Confronting Evil, digest it, get a plan of action for yourself in case you encounter any of this stuff. And that's the memo. Joining us now from Nutley, New Jersey is Malka Shah, who founded an organization called Kesher Shalom Projects which deals with antisemitism and the negative aspects of it. And she counsels people. She's a clinical social social worker. We're very pleased to have Michelle on tonight. So in my analysis of evil, because that's what this is in Brown in Australia. And you know, it's just evil. Am I making any mistakes or am I not going far enough?
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No, I think first of all, thank you so much for having me. It's an honor to be with you today. It is evil and it should not be accepted. And I think that one of the things is when there's problems in society, people are naturally looking for a group to blame or put their resentment. But if we put our efforts into mental health and helping people before they get to the place where they are looking for an outlet for scapegoat to. We also talk about propaganda and indoctrination and why these things are happening and why antisemitism specifically has been very strong. And it's spreading and, and why we. And where, where we need to, what we need to do in terms of helping people understand and helping people understand when they're being manipulated by propaganda, when they're being manipulated by the media, social media, and making sure that they're getting their information by reliable measures.
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Okay? And that's what you got to do that to counter. But the rise in antisemitism. And antisemitism has been with us for, as you know, thousands of years, years. Any minority group that's successful and Jewish people collectively have been successful all over the world are going to be targets. And that's just the way it is. But the current anti Semitism is driven in large part by the Israeli Gaza situation, which has been hyped and propagandized. And the younger people generalizing now, particularly in Europe, are incorporating this and condemning all Jewish people. And I don't know if there's anything you can do about that because that's ideological. Then it crosses over from religion into ideology. And these younger people, you see it, I mean, it's right across the river, Columbia University from you. These people, you know, totally out of control. They don't know why they're doing what they're doing. But there's kind of a wave of propaganda takes them. How do you combat that?
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Well, antisemitism is like this virus that mutates. So first it was religion, then it was genetics, and now it's for the fact that we have a connection to a land and that is pure antisemitism. So first of all, we have to counter the double standards. Antisemitism is full of double standards and dehumanization. You can't hold everybody responsible for one government. And never mind when we talk about what's actually going on in the Middle east, the information has been so diluted and so misrepresented. But just because you don't agree with something about one particular government, you can't say the entire government should be destroyed just like we might not agree with our government. Are you going to say, I'm going to hate everybody who's American or everybody who's this government? So the first step, I think, is education. We need to educate people on the fact that these pieces are anti Semitism. When you hold people accountable for one one government or have one person responsible for the entire group, that is racism, that is discrimination.
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And people have nothing to do with government policy except they vote. You know, I opened my book, Confronting Evil, and I hope you will read it. If you haven't miss Shaw, with the October 7th attack by Hamas. And I did that to contemporize the book. But also we put you right in that town and talk about innocent people. I mean, these are farmers, these are people who make jojoba oil for a living, have anything to do with geopolitics. And these guys ride in on trucks and machine gun down women, show everybody. And instead of a worldwide condemnation of that, which there wasn't, it flips over to, well, the Jews are responsible for persecuting the Gazans who are controlled by Hamas. And I'm going, my God, you can say that maybe there was some excess on the part of the Israeli government. That's certainly debatable issue. But you got, if that happened in America, believe me, we would obliterate any country or any area that harbored those kinds of terrorists. We would. So it's more deep seated this anti Jewish thing. And I think a lot of it's based on jealousy. I gotta be honest, I have a lot of Jewish friends and I had never had any problem with them. I'm in business with a lot of them. I was raised in Levittown with Jewish kids all over the place. We all got along, we all played in the streets. There was none of that nonsense. And anybody who ever said anti Jewish thing would get the hell beat out of them by the rest of the kids. We didn't tolerate that or anti black stuff either. It was around a little bit, but not a lot. But anyway, I don't know how you educate. That's my long winded question. How do you educate people whose minds are poisoned?
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Well, there's definitely different steps. So first of all, it depends who we're educating. So I've been doing continuing education for mental health professionals and other professionals who are required to do what we call not just cultural competence. Cultural competence is how I was trained maybe 20, 25 years ago. Now we talk about cultural humility, steps of understanding our own bias and our own lens and how do we see other cultures and understanding our own bias. So that's step one. But one of the things that that's been a mistake is just really not understanding who are the Jewish people. There's a big misconception. People will be in shock when I explain that we're multicultural or multiracial people. It's not just a religion, it's really a peoplehood. And the idea of religion and ethnicity are concepts that like Judaism predates those concepts. So we have to really just kind of explain who we are.
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And the second thing, oh Go ahead. Get me.
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Go ahead. Sorry. What were you going to say?
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I have a question, but it's a little bit off topic. Do you want to make one more quick point on the second thing?
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It's okay. You could go ahead. It's fine.
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Okay. 50% of New York Jews who went to the mayoral polling places voted for Mandami, who's an anti Semite. And then people were shy. What? How could you possibly do that? Did you have any explanation of that?
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I don't. I mean I'm very upset about it. I try not to stay away from. I try and stay in my lane.
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No, I understand. But you're a human being. Yes.
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It is very. It's very. It's very heartbreaking. I actually wrote an op ed and it was posted in the Jerusalem Post. It's very upsetting. I was living in New York City and I was involved in the post 911 recovery and the post traumatic growth from 9 11. And I was there. And I cannot imagine as a New Yorker who. I was born in New York City. I love New York. My first word was taxi. As a New Yorker. First that we now have a mayor who doesn't want to condemn the phrase globalized antifada. So it is mind blowing. Just even as a New Yorker. So that part of my personality. 100%.
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Yeah, I know.
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And then the Jewish part of my personality, it's unbelievable. And when we talk about 9 11, when 107 happened, people used to say oh, this is the Jewish 9 11. And I said no. When 911 happened, everybody had empathy for the Jews.
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10 7, as soon as 108 hit, the silence was deafening around the world. We didn't. And before Israel even responded, everybody was attacking. There was protests in Columbia, protests in New York City. So by the time Adani was elected, was it shocking? It was hurtful and upsetting. Was it shocking? Unfortunately, no.
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I blame it on secularism. That's what I blame it on. People just don't. You said it very well. They don't understand. They really don't. And they should take the time to learn what the truth is. Ms. Charlotte, we wish you a happy Hanukkah and thank you for taking the time to talk with us today.
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You're listening to the no Spa News Weekend Edition.
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Wikipedia. I use it, all right. I use it consistently for information. But here is a very interesting study by the Media Research center conservative group, but accurate group. We've been using them for years here and I've never had to retract anything they printed. So media research says that Wikipedia cites left wing outlets 20 times more than right wings when delivering information. Okay, Here's a conclusion. MCR MRC researchers searched all languages of Wikipedia November 18th and 19th this year. Determine how many times the editors cited each of the Right, lean right, center, lean left, left sources that appear on the publicly available all size media bias chart. Overwhelmingly it's left wing. New York Times cited more than a million times highest for the conservative movement, Fox News 126,000 times. They're the numbers. So you can see that it's just way out of line. So when people who don't know that Wikipedia is doing this go to Wikipedia, they're getting left wing information most of the time. Time. Joining us now from Herndon, Virginia is Tim Graham, the executive editor of News Busters and a member of the Media Research Center. Why is this important? I mean, I know I use Wikipedia just to look stuff up. I'm not looking for their political analysis. Do you think a lot of people are doing that?
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Yes, because obviously when you do a Google search, what's the first result you're generally going to get? Google gives you Wikipedia. It's the algorithm's right there. So almost whatever where you put in somebody's name, you put in a political event. The first link you're probably going to get is to Wikipedia. So that's really important. And then it says which sources do they use, and yes, overwhelmingly they're going to use these liberal media sources. You know, when we were kids and we were reading the World Book, it didn't have a bunch of footnotes necessarily, necessarily, but it was pretty straightforward and cut and dried. I think when you look at Wikipedia articles like the Wikipedia article and the Media Research center, it's going to have a bunch of liberal things in it that they're, you know. Oh, controversies, you know.
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Right.
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Obviously I did something earlier this year where I looked at the news networks Fox and MSNBC and CNN and they went to Fox News having a defamation suit. Right up top. You know, CNN settled a defamation suit that's like in paragraph 56. I mean, so these are the sorts of things they overwhelmingly favor. Yeah, the New York Times, ap, the Washington Post and then the conservative sites are way, way down there. So yeah, the New York Times is, New York Times is like 1.6 million and the New York Post is like 41,000. That's like 41 to 1.
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So that's what you think, that Wikipedia editors or owners are doing it on purpose?
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Yes. You know, remember it used to be in the early days where like any schmo who got registered, you'd be a registered user and you could get in there and, and try to put sentences or paragraphs in there and see if they'd be accepted. You know, it's, it's a much more top down enterprise now. And you know, when we get in there and we search it. Yeah, it's, it's obviously intentional and it is really the same thing we find when our team's been studying Google News, Apple News. When you go into these aggregators, you're going to overwhelmingly get the so called trusted sources, the New York Times, cnn, npr. That's what they're going to give you on any breaking news story. And Wikipedia is just sort of doing the same.
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So people don't know this. They go in, they read this stuff, they believe it, A lot of them, they're not skeptical. And then this helps the progressives and the Democratic Party and that's the, that's the game that fixes it. Right?
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Yeah. And if I was a high school teacher, I would say I don't want any Wikipedia citations, no footnotes from Wikipedia. But I mean, you could just as well cite the footnotes that Wikipedia actually uses and says I'm good. I cited the New York Times, you know, I mean, but it's, this is one of those first places that people go. And yeah, you're right. If you're just searching for something like who won Super Bowl 41. You're gonna get straight up facts. But yeah, on any contentious political actor or political issue, you're gonna get a lot of spin.
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Right. Or personalities. They can, they'll, you know, pump up progressive personalities and pump down conservatives. Now, sometimes AI comes up, you know, for a summation of a subject. Is that accurate?
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No, because again, the, a lot of these AI bots and you know, now we're comparing Elon Musk, Grok maybe to some of these others. The chap GPTs, the Google Geminis. What are they using for their sources? I mean, when you do a Google search, you'll get that too. It's going to be, we just looked at the New York Times and you know, these sorts of trustworthy outlets to put together our AI answer to you. So it's the same problem all over the place.
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Okay. Is there any solution to the problem, Tim?
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Well, I mean, again, sometimes, maybe we'll try to see if Grokipedia is better than Wikipedia or Grok AI is better than the other ones. You know, we always just say, yeah, there's a lot of conservative media out there now that you can get your information from. And of course the liberals will all say you can't trust any of that, but you certainly can. And when we do the numbers on these things, we demonstrate it, it's factual. You might not like the numbers, but the numbers are the numbers.
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Okay, but an outlet like Newsmax or Fox News, they do ignore stories on occasion that are unflattering to the right or President Trump. Correct?
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I imagine that's true, yes. And the reverse is true. Right. So the CBS and ABC and NBC don't want to do the negative stories on Democrats. I would say this. We were talking about. You were talking about Trump's statement on Rob Reiner. Fox was on that and they did not like it.
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Well, they were on it, but they didn't contextualize it. They virtue signaled it.
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Didn't they.
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Well, it's, it's easy to virtue signal, isn't it?
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I know, but look, that's not, that's not reporting.
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That was a good idea.
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That's not reporting.
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All right.
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The reason that Donald Trump made the statement is that he is so angry. It's us against them. It's me and my White House against all those media people, all of them, okay? And whatever I have to do to bring them down, I'm going to bring. Now, that's the context of the remark doesn't justify the remark. But that context completely lost, completely lost on why this is happening. It's what I do. It's why I'm successful. But I saw some of the conservative coverage. It wasn't just Fox either. It was a bunch of conservative outlets all across the spectrum. Virtue signaling, that's all it was. It wasn't anything like, well, why did a guy do this? Why does he continue to do it? Explain it so that people know about it. That's not justified. Last word.
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I think it's interesting that when at least in the coverage I've seen of this horrible death of Rob Reiner, they really aren't focusing on. They'll say he was a Democratic donor, but they're certainly not gonna say he's controversial the way that Charlie Kirk was portrayed as controversial. Rob Reiner was too.
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Way more what Rob Reiner did in his life with the people for the American way and all that. But I'm not gonna go in on Reiner. I'm not. He's a private citizen. He can do whatever he wants to do. He was murdered and that was horrible, as I said. And I'm gonna leave it alone for now. But if you know how extreme Reimer was. But that again, does not justify what happened. Tim, thanks very much. We appreciate it. Good, good work. Tim. I gotta tell you, we follow you now all the time because the stuff is real.
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This is the no Spin News Weekend Edition.
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President Trump, to his great credit, went to Dover, Delaware to participate in the dignified transfer they call it of two American National Guard members killed in Syria. People don't understand we still have US Forces in northern Syria and western Iraq because that's where ISIS is. ISIS isn't a force it used to be, but it's still there and we're still hunting them. So two Americans, Sergeant Edgar Torres Tovar, 25 years old, and Sergeant William Howard, 29, both of Iowa National Guard attached the 1st Squadron, 113th Cavalry, were killed, and so was the terrorist who murdered them. So president went from Washington to Dover to console their families. President Trump has been very good about this, which is why he got an excellent reception at the Army Navy football game if you watched it last weekend from both sides. And of course, the press will never mention anything positive about that. Joining us now from Tennessee is a pollster who works for the Republican national committee, John McLaughlin. Mr. McLaughlin, you've seen him before on the no spin News. Very accurate in his assessment, we believe. And we're pretty tough on the check on his stuff. So why specifically is President Trump losing ground in a polling?
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I think he's he's focused on government, not in political campaign. So when we had his campaign, by the way, you and I saw him on September 11th at Yankee Stadium and he asked about his poll numbers that night and he said, do I have my he said, we have the highest job rating ever. I said, no. I said, you had your highest job rating ever on the night that you were elected president again in November 24 and January, it was high. But through the year, you get consumed with running the government instead of running a political campaign. And he's done a lot. He's passed his tax cuts. The economy is starting to percolate again. He's done what he needs to do to lay a foundation so that the Republicans can be successful in the midterms. But the big problem we're going to have is Trump got 77 million Trump voters out, out of 156 million voters who showed up on Election Day. But what we're seeing through the course of 2025 is special elections, other elections, New Jersey, Virginia, the Trump voters aren't coming out as, as heavy as they did when he was on the ballot. And the Republicans don't have the same kind of feel for the issues that Trump does or the campaigns. So we've got to get Trump back out on the road and tonight.
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But there is disenchantment, according to your own poll, John, taken in mid November, direction of the USA, right direction, 38, wrong, 56. And also in that poll. Independent voters not aligned with either the Democrats or Republicans are turning against President Trump. What's the main reason for the disenchantment?
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First of all, he doesn't have an opponent like when he was running against, when he was running during the election. We had Joe Biden. Right now he needs to take on Chuck Schumer. He needs to take on Speaker, Leader, Leader Jeffries of the Democrats. Also people like Mondavi and the Democrats. We need an opponent. He's talked about having a convention in the midterms where all the Republicans can sign onto his agenda, whether it's holding down the price of food, housing, health care or interest rates. He needs to go after the Democrats. You know, they talk about affordability in Nassau county, where you live. The Republicans, we gave no quarter to the Democrats because they wanted higher taxes. We wanted lower taxes. How can Democrats who talk about affordability have any credibility when they want to raise your taxes? And every Democrat for Congress and Senate voted against the Trump tax cuts, which would have raised taxes 2 or $3,000 per person across the United States. And the media lets it go. But the Republicans, if they don't pick up on that, they're foolish in your own county.
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They're looking at their household finances and they're going, I can't. We can't pay these insurance. We can't pay the price of beef. Now, I'm a realist. I don't buy the beef. I buy chicken or fish or pasta, whatever it may be. I mean, I go in, I look at the price. If the price is too high, buy something else. That's the beauty of America. We don't have any food shortage here. We have plenty of stuff, okay? But people are reacting emotionally to what they believe is danger to their own personal finance, and they don't see President Trump as solving that problem, at least yet. Would that be a fair statement?
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That's fair, but it's not quite fair because we have political opponents and Democrats who lead to those policies that, you know, President Trump has cut the price of gas. You've seen that. Yeah, you've. When you were talking about beef or some of these food products, we're still trying to fight off the policies that the Democrats want to keep in place from Joe Biden. When you talk about the price of health care, they don't want to reform Obamacare where the premiums have gone up. They want to continue the health care tax credits to subsidize the insurance companies, but they don't want the insurance companies to lower their premiums. So we have to fight for those things. And it's a debate. So when you talk about emotion, a campaign is based on emotion. It's based on a political debate.
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I don't think, you know, you and I are disagreeing here. And one of the rare times, by the way, I don't think that the average American is going to take all that into account. It's a simple equation for most people. President Trump promised to bring prices down. Prices aren't down for my insurance, and they're not down for certain food that I want. So I'm going to give the other guys a shot. That happened in the first term. Trump's first term, he lost 41 seats Republicans did in the House. It's all emotion. So what I'm saying to you is that President Trump is a master at this. Should campaign on emotion. Yes. Say what you just said. Look, the Democrats mess this whole thing up. But here's my solution coming to you shortly. And then list the solution. Wouldn't that be the way to do it?
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That's very good advice, but we do have to have a good campaign. Is based on two sides in the debate. And Trump will lay out his. He'll do it tonight. He'll keep doing it for older in the year. But on the other side, to get the voters out, to win among the voters, we have to expose the Democrats. It has to be a contrast.
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Okay.
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There's no way we do this by ourselves.
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But I don't know how effective that's going to be because. And let me give you another historical example. Obama tried that in his midterm second term. He tried that and he got whacked because it was emotion. They didn't feel that Barack Obama was running the country well, and he waxed them. All right, anyway, last question. Demeanor. So as I said, the president's not going to change. But at this point, some of the things that he says on social media seem to be hurting him. Am I wrong?
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Well, it is. When he. By the way, I want to go back to that point. You know, the same poll you're referring to, Chuck schumer, is a 31 favorable and 44 unfavorable. Donald Trump had a job approval of 50 to 46. Why aren't we taking on Chuck Schumer every day that they try to stop?
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Because people don't know who he is. They don't know if you, if you walk out in a mall right now and you stop people outside of New York state, say Mississippi or, you know, Michigan, and you go, hey, what do you think of Chuck Schumann? I don't know.
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Nationally, his numbers, 44 unfavorable. Almost half of Americans don't like him. Only three out of ten do. That's a national survey. But you know what? We've got it. It's incumbent on us to run the campaign on Donald Trump accomplishments versus how about demeanor?
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How about demeanor?
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Demeanor. He's best when he's fighting. He's best when he has an opponent. And the Democrats, if they want to stop us from lowering interest rates, lowering the cost of housing, lowering the cost of food, lowering the price of gas, we should have that fight. We shouldn't back off. And we should let Donald Trump go back at it. And go back at it. Get outside the Beltway, do rallies again, see real people, talk to real people again. That's when Donald Trump's his best.
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All right, so you want a brawl in 26.
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You know him very well.
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Yeah. All right. And I think that's what, I think that's what you're going to get. I think that's what you're going to get. Hey, John, Merry Christmas. You've been a very good friend to the no Spin News and to me personally. We wish the best to you and your family and I hope to see you soon. Thank you.
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Merry Christmas. See you in the new year and keep getting the facts out.
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Okay?
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