No Spin News - Weekend Edition - July 12, 2025

Summary

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis
Episode: No Spin News - Weekend Edition - July 12, 2025
Release Date: July 12, 2025

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1. Immigration Debate with Jose Antonio Vargas

Overview:
Bill O’Reilly engages in a robust discussion with Jose Antonio Vargas, an undocumented citizen and author of Dear America: Notes of an Undocumented Citizen. The conversation centers on the complexities of the U.S. immigration system, the challenges faced by undocumented workers, and differing viewpoints on potential solutions.

Key Points:

• Current Immigration Challenges:
  Vargas highlights the critical labor shortages in sectors like agriculture and hospitality, emphasizing the need for migrant workers to sustain these industries.

  • Jose Antonio Vargas [01:04]: "Farmers are screaming, look, we don't have enough help. We can't get people to work in the fields, can't harvest our crops."

• Diverging Perspectives on Solutions:
  O’Reilly argues for increasing legal pathways, such as green cards and special visas, to allow foreign nationals to work legally. Vargas counters by pointing out the systemic barriers that make legalization difficult for many undocumented individuals.

  • Bill O’Reilly [05:04]: "I do not agree with you that the immigration process is that difficult."
  • Jose Antonio Vargas [10:40]: "I'm telling you there are ways to do it. Not easy, but nothing worthwhile is easy."

• Statistics and Realities:
  Both discuss the magnitude of immigration, citing data from the Pew Research Center. O’Reilly mentions that out of approximately 49 million immigrants in the U.S., 12 million are undocumented. Vargas disputes the notion that undocumented immigrants lack awareness or willingness to legalize their status, attributing their presence to systemic issues rather than entitlement or laziness.

  • Bill O’Reilly [11:14]: "The 12 million people... there are people in that family... that could call lawyers and naturalize themselves."

Notable Quotes:

• Jose Antonio Vargas [04:50]: "Millions of other foreign nationals have come here legally."
• Bill O’Reilly [07:03]: "Estimates say that we have 12 million undocumented people in this country. I think there's more than 12 million."

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2. Investigating President Biden’s Health with James Lynch

Overview:
The discussion shifts to the ongoing investigation by the House Oversight Committee into President Joe Biden's mental and physical capacity to serve. Reporter James Lynch from the National Review provides insights into the allegations and the committee's efforts to uncover potential cover-ups.

Key Points:

• Allegations of Declining Health:
  Lynch asserts that there is substantial evidence indicating President Biden is experiencing cognitive decline, citing Special Counsel Robert Her’s investigation and leaked interviews.

  • James Lynch [16:45]: "The Oversight Committee is trying to get to the bottom of the COVID up related to Biden's mental decline."

• Transparency and Evidence:
  Lynch claims that Her’s report on Biden’s handling of classified documents revealed cognitive issues, supporting the committee’s suspicions. He points listeners to the Justice Department’s website for access to the full report and associated audio recordings.

  • James Lynch [17:54]: "The report is public. You can get it on the Justice Department's website."

• Potential Cover-Up:
  The conversation delves into the possibility that Biden’s aides and the media have been involved in covering up his health problems to project an image of full capability.

  • James Lynch [18:33]: "We find out a couple of months ago that Biden has an aggressive form of prostate cancer."

Notable Quotes:

• James Lynch [20:17]: "There's a book called Original Sin that came out, and we know... there’s a politburo of senior officials who had unprecedented amounts of power for people who are not elected."
• Jose Antonio Vargas [22:34]: "If he didn’t know what the document said and somebody else signed him with an auto pen, that opens up another criminal investigation, does it not?"

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3. Elon Musk's Attempt to Form a Third Party with Doug Schoen

Overview:
The podcast features a conversation with Doug Schoen, a Democratic political strategist, regarding Elon Musk's proposed American Party. The discussion explores the viability and potential impact of introducing a third major political party in the U.S. political landscape.

Key Points:

• Feasibility of a Third Party:
  Schoen expresses skepticism about the success of Musk's American Party, citing historical challenges that third parties face in gaining traction against the entrenched Democratic and Republican parties.

  • Doug Schoen [23:41]: "There is broad support in the electorate for third parties. The problem is the only thing the two major parties... agree on is that we shouldn't have third parties."

• Potential Impact on Existing Parties:
  The strategist believes that Musk’s efforts could inadvertently harm the Republican Party by splitting the conservative vote, thereby aiding Democratic dominance.

  • Doug Schoen [28:08]: "That's why I said only a few people on the far right party."

• Constituency Concerns:
  Schoen doubts whether there is a substantial base to support the American Party, noting that polls indicate an overwhelming preference for Trump over Musk among O’Reilly’s viewers.

  • Jose Antonio Vargas [26:16]: "93% of my viewers sign with Trump. No surprise. Seven with Musk."

Notable Quotes:

• Doug Schoen [27:03]: "It'll hurt Republicans because the party won't, as you suggest, get support and be beyond that."
• Jose Antonio Vargas [27:05]: "The way I see it, there's no hope for this party because there's no constituency for it."

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4. Cultural Commentary: The Impact of Hip Hop on Youth

Overview:
The final segment features a heated discussion between Bill O’Reilly, Jose Antonio Vargas, and sports commentator Stephen A. Smith on the influence of the hip hop industry on young Americans. The conversation contrasts the positive legacy of earlier musical genres with the perceived negative messages in contemporary hip hop.

Key Points:

• Generational Pride and Cultural Shifts:
  Vargas references a poll indicating declining pride among younger generations in being American, attributing part of this trend to the negative influence of the entertainment industry.

  • Jose Antonio Vargas [30:45]: "Generation Z... only 41% are proud to be an American."

• Comparison to Past Music Eras:
  O’Reilly nostalgically contrasts the uplifting messages of Motown and classic R&B artists with what he perceives as the disrespectful and harmful content in modern hip hop.

  • Bill O’Reilly [31:54]: "I believe that this hip hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it."

• Defense of Hip Hop’s Diversity:
  Stephen A. Smith counters by highlighting that disrespect and negative messages are not exclusive to hip hop, pointing to similar issues in rock and heavy metal genres. He emphasizes the role of individual artists and their contributions to the community.

  • Stephen A. Smith [35:10]: "There are other songs I don't mind. It all depends on a particular song and a particular lyrics that are being spewed."

• Socioeconomic Factors:
  The discussion touches on systemic issues such as high unemployment rates in African American communities and the lack of father figures, suggesting that these factors contribute to the challenges faced by youth and influence their engagement with certain music genres.

  • Stephen A. Smith [39:21]: "There are an abundance of situations involving males in the African American community where trying times present themselves and challenges present themselves."

Notable Quotes:

• Jose Antonio Vargas [34:31]: "The role models, many of them are hurting these kids."
• Stephen A. Smith [40:06]: "There are some songs I wouldn't allow you to listen to."

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Conclusion

In this episode of No Spin News - Weekend Edition, Bill O’Reilly navigates through critical discussions on immigration policy, presidential health concerns, the feasibility of third-party politics, and the cultural impact of contemporary music on youth. Featuring insights from notable guests like Jose Antonio Vargas, James Lynch, Doug Schoen, and Stephen A. Smith, the episode provides a multifaceted analysis of pressing societal issues, underscored by compelling quotes and data-driven arguments.

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the July 12, 2025, weekend edition of Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis, providing a comprehensive overview for those who have not listened to the episode.

Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Jose Antonio Vargas]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Learn [e-mail] local welcome to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Deportation, migrants. So President travels Des Moines, Iowa, July 3rd. Farmers are screaming, look, we don't have enough help. We can't get people to work in the fields, can't harvest our crops. We need to have migrants do that. And here's what President Trump said. We got to work with the farmers and people that have hotels and leisure properties, too.

[Bill O'Reilly]

We're going to work with them and.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

We'Re going to work, work very strong and smart. And we're going to put you in charge. We're going to make you responsible. And I think that that's going to make a lot of people happy. Now, serious radical right people who I also happen to like a lot. They may not be quite as happy, but they'll understand. No. And I can understand the hard right. The older right wants all migrants deported. I'll just give you one. There's a million of them. You can just go on X and all these places. And this is from a woman named Melissa Melendez. Melendez from California, used to be a state senator out there, quote. So if I'm not understanding this correctly, we should look the other way regarding illegal immigration, as long as it's in the construction, hotel or restaurant industries. This is far beyond disappointing. It's infuriating. So Ms. Melendez and members of the hard right want everybody who's here without proper credentials out. But Trump and other people say, look, we get into a crisis stage with workers because we can't fill the jobs, particularly in agriculture, service industry jobs, that kind of thing. But this solution is fairly easy. Congress should pass laws that give out more green cards, okay, Special visas to do agricultural work. That's what should happen. It's not hard. Trump gets behind it. They could do it tomorrow because the Democrats all vote for that. All right. I got a guy booked today I want to talk to. His name is Jose Antonio Vargas. He come to us from Berkeley, California. He's got a book out in paperback. Originally, he wrote this book in September 18th, but he's upgraded it. In the introduction of the book, he recites me, quote, since publicly declaring my Undocumented Status 2011, greeted by the likes of Bill O'Reilly as the most famous illegal in America. I visited cities and towns of 49 states, engaging all kinds of people. Most Americans, I discovered, have no idea how the immigration system works, what the immigration citizenship process requires, how difficult, if not downright impossible, it is for undocumented people to get legal. All the while, undocumented workers like me pay billions of taxes to a government that detains and deports us. That sounds pretty dastardly to me. And As I said, Mr. Vargas joins us from Berkeley, California. So you and I don't see this eye to eye, Mr. Vargas, but we do have some common ground. I believe that Congress should make it easier for foreign nationals to work in this country. They have to have a clean sheet. They have to have no crime. They have to be responsible people. They probably have to put up some kind of collateral to get in here. All that can be done. But I do not agree with you that the immigration process is that difficult. And I'll cite the stats. Okay, so there are 4 million legal Filipino immigrants in this country right now. At least that stat is three years old. So you got to probably about five or six million population. Philippines, 117 million. So we'd be pretty generous to the islands. All right. In the last five years, there have been about a million new green cards. I think that should be tripled to 3 million. Okay. And there are 400. There are 4 million new U.S. citizens in five years. So you say that they don't understand. Well, 4 million do. Any reply to those stats?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, first of all, thank you for having me. Second of all, I do think we have more in common than you think, and I think a lot of it has to do with what shared facts we have. Thank you for citing all those statistics. Actually, let me give you a little bit more statistics. Estimated 5 million Filipinos, about 1.4 million of that in California, where I grew up. Since 1993, there are actually more Filipinos in California than there are people in New Hampshire, Delaware, and Rhode Island.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's. That's how big the Filipino population in this country has gotten. And to your point, I'm grateful that, that, that the United States has been generous to the Philippines. And I think a lot of that also has to do with, you know, the Philippines was a property of the United States. We were actually the first country that. That became a part of the American Empire in 1898 after the Spanish American War. So we have a long history together. Right? So the Philippines was a colony of Spain for 350 years, and then the Americans came for almost 50 years. That's why apparently when you go to the Philippines, where I haven't been Since I was 12, the Philippines is the most Americanized of all the Asian countries. So I just wanted to point that out now to address your question. And I've been thinking a lot about this since we just celebrated July 4th weekend. Apparently, during the Founding Fathers era, when the Thirteen Colonies declared independence from the British Empire, there were 2.5 million people in the colonies right now in this country. And I don't know if I believe these estimates. I don't know, Bill. If you do, estimates say that we have 12 million undocumented people in this country. I think there's more than 12 million. I don't really.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

I want to. I want to look, I want to advance them, your belief system. Now, you're an accomplished man, okay? You won a Pulitzer Prize working for the Washington Post. You've contributed to this country. The name of your book is Dear America Notes of an Undocumented Citizen. But you are. You have a visa. You're here. Nobody's going to kick your door in and grab you at this point. But it's been a struggle. And it's been a struggle that's unfair to you because you were a people smuggler. Brought you here when you were 12. Your family. Yeah, that's not your fault. You had no.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I had no. I had no. But, but, but, Bill, to your point, it took me 31 years. I have what's called an O visa, right. So I had to leave the country.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

This country, to get the visa. But I want to go all the way. What I'm trying to say to you and to the audience is there are ways to do it. Not easy, but nothing worthwhile is easy. You did it. Millions of other foreign nationals have come here legally. The people who come here illegally, okay, they have no right to feel entitled to be here. Now, I'm not saying they should all be mass deported. I'm not. I want to get you take on a few things. Joe Biden opened the border, okay? Did you support that?

[Bill O'Reilly]

When you say open the border, meaning what you mean when.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

You know what I mean. Jose don't give me any of this. You know exactly what I mean. He opened the border. At least 12 million people poured across it, many of whom asked for asylum. Not in the legal way, in the ports of entry. Did you support the Biden program or not? Yes or no?

[Bill O'Reilly]

No. No, I do not.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

What was your objection? My.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, a couple of objections. The 12 million people did not come during Biden's era.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

They've been coming, but at least 12 million did. At least. Well, every estimate, it's 12 to 15 under Biden poured in here, most of whom asked for asylum, violating American law, because they didn't go to the port of entry. That's the stat from the federal government. You want to quibble? It gets us nowhere.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, so it gets us nowhere.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

What objection did you have to the Biden thing? What was your objection to that by?

[Bill O'Reilly]

My objection is I think the fact that we don't have an orderly system like what you just said a few minutes ago. There should be a process that people ought to follow to come to this country.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

In the.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Are on common ground. But what if they don't follow it? Come on. What if they don't? Well, it's a problem. We have the right to kick them out.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, wait a second. Yes, yes, we do. And however, that's why we have 12 million people in this country legally, because there's no process for people to follow.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

But there is a process.

[Bill O'Reilly]

There is that.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

That.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. As somebody, Bill, who lived through this, I had to wait 31 years for this window of an opportunity to follow.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay, Jose, I know. I know that. But do you know how many immigration attorneys there are in California? Thousands.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Thousands. Yes.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

And they're getting people to stay here by using our system of due process. So don't tell me there's no way that you can become a legalized citizen, because there is.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So, Bill, why. Why are there 12 million undocumented people in the country then if there's a process for them to follow the legalize?

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Because they don't want to follow it or they don't have the money to follow it. One of the two that, by the.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Way, is I think, the biggest myth in journalism that we have to break that people don't want. Are too lazy to follow a process. Look at the doc. Look at the dreamers. The dreamers in this country had to pay $500, about 800,000 of them or so had to have to pay $500 so that this government deport them so that they can work legally.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay, look, there's always going to be that kind of a thing. Trump is actually, he's actually sympathetic to dreamers. But, Jose, for you to come on here and say there's no process for foreign nationals to come here legally is simply not true. They advertise on television. The immigration attorneys are out there. Come to me. I'll get you here, I'll get you there. It's a booming industry.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Bill, how many, how many, how many immigrants are there in the country today?

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Do you know how many illegal immigrants.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Or immigrants in general overall? How many, how many million numbers?

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

50 million, something like that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

About 49 million of that. 49 million of that 49. This is according to the Pew Research center, which is a nonpartisan organization.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Within that 49 million, 12 million are undocumented. Right, those 12 again. And you and I both know.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Yeah, that just destroys your argument because you're saying there's no pathway and most of the people are here legally.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, no, but please hear me out here. The 12 million people live with within 49 million people, right? There are people in that family, like in my own family, that could call lawyers and naturalize themselves and actually adjust and change their status. I was one of those 12 million people that couldn't just do that. I had to wait 31 years for this very specific thing so that I could legalize myself.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay, I understand that and I'm sympathetic to it. And Congress should. It's Congress's fault. They could make new laws that impose order. But for the left to scream that we have a gestapo, that we're throwing people out and this, and we're cruel and that's just hype. So last word. Go ahead.

[Bill O'Reilly]

One thing that we must agree on.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Jose Antonio Vargas]

And I agree, you and I could probably come up with this, figure this out in two weeks. Okay? Yes. But these pinheads in D.C. all have agendas, one side or the other. I agree 100%. The book is Dear America, Notes of an Undocumented Citizen. Jose Antonio Vargas. Jose, thanks for taking a fire. We appreciate you coming on tonight.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're listening to the no Spin news Weekend Edition.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

All right, so Congress is in and out this summer. They need vacation time. No problem with that. But tomorrow they're coming back. In the House, the Oversight Committee hear testimony from Dr. Kevin O'. Connor. And this is about the Biden mental and physical capacity. There's O' Connor and Biden. Okay, you remember that Dr. O' Connor said Biden was absolutely perfect health, both mentally and physically. Well, now the Oversight Committee wants to put him under oath. Private session, closed door deposition. No, under oath. And o' Connor does not want to do it. So he asked for a delay. We understand he is not going to get the delay that he'll have to go in. He doesn't show up, that's contempt. He'll be subpoenaed. But a lot of things happening on this Oversight Committee. So joining us now from Arlington, Virginia is James Lynch. He's a reporter for the National Review. You're following this closer than I am. The Oversight Committee obviously wants to prove the Republicans want to prove that Biden was mentally deficient. Am I right there?

[James Lynch]

Yeah. The Oversight Committee is trying to get to the bottom of the COVID up related to Biden's mental decline. And they're looking into the possibility that Biden officials use the presidential auto pen to sign documents without his authorization.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Do you believe there was a cover up? And if so, what is the evidence you point to?

[James Lynch]

Yeah, I think it's pretty apparent at this point that there was a cover up. The investigation is more looking into the extent to which it was covered up. I think there's plenty of public evidence that there's a cover up. You know, people like you, people like myself saw for years that Biden was struggling. He was slowing down. He was making mistakes all the time. He was forgetting things. We saw that in his public appearances and his speeches. And then we had the her report. Special counsel Robert her investigated Biden's handling of classified documents. And as part of that investigation, her interviewed Biden for several hours over the course of two days. And what her concluded was that Biden's memory was failing and that he was forgetting, you know, even basic and important things.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Why hasn't that report been made public? Why haven't we seen that report?

[James Lynch]

Report. The report is public. You can get it on the Justice Department's website. And the Trump administration also released audio from her interview with Biden.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

I didn't know that. So all you got to do is go to the Justice Department website and the full her report is there to be read.

[James Lynch]

Yeah, you can find the her report. And also now you can listen to the audio. The Trump administration released it after the Biden administration did everything it could not do. So you can listen to the audio of Biden stuttering and forgetting things.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Where. Where is that? How do you. How do you get it?

[James Lynch]

Yeah, it should be. You can check Axios on YouTube. They have the audio.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Axios on YouTube. Okay. All right. So at this point, I think you're right that every Republican on the Oversight Committee believes there was a cover up. And every Democrat wants to cover up the COVID up. Would that be accurate? They don't want this out.

[James Lynch]

Yeah, I think Democrats just don't want to talk about this anymore because it implicates their entire party. We had every Democrat coming to Biden's defense after Robert Her's report came out saying that, you know, look, he's the most fit he's ever been. He's fit to be president. We don't see wrong with him. These are just cheap fakes. So they just want to pretend like this never happened and move on.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

I think that's a good assessment. I think that's a good assessment. Now let's go inside the Oversight Committee. What do they. They're spending taxpayer money. Okay. Most Americans agree with you and me that Biden was diminished. I don't. I think every poll shows that. So why are we even going through this exercise? What is the point? Is it just further embarrassment for the Democrats and Biden. Yeah.

[James Lynch]

I think the point is to find out who is actually making decisions during Biden's presidency, especially towards the end. We know that from. There's a book called Original Sin that came out, and we know that, you know, people inside the White House thought that Biden was, at best, a senior member of the board of people who are running the country. There's a politburo of senior officials who had unprecedented amounts of power for people who were not elected, who were not president. And so the investigation is really about just how much they covered up Biden's mental incapacity, how they worked with the media to cover it up, and then what decisions were made that Biden might not have known about.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Now, the only guy that I say that I see in legal jeopardy is the Dr. O', Connor. Because if he lied to the American people about the state of Joe Biden's health, that's a crime. That's fraud.

[James Lynch]

Yeah. I think o' Connor's perhaps the most important witness for the whole investigation. And he's supposed to be interviewed tomorrow. That is still expected to happen. But what o' Connor knows more than anybody else is, you know, just how Biden's health was behind the scenes. He released a physical in 2024 saying that, you know, Biden's completely healthy and totally up for the job. And then we find out a couple months ago that Biden has an aggressive form of prostate cancer. And so o', Connor, really, better than anybody else, would know what Biden's health is looking like and what the White House was doing to give people the impression that Biden was actually okay and that he was fit to serve.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

But o' Connor's got jeopardy here. He. He himself is in trouble if he falsified his medical reports about the President of the United States. So I expect a lot of evasion, maybe a Fifth Amendment. You know, Conor's gonna have lawyers sit with him, but he's not going to throw anybody under the bus. He's just going to try to evade. It's what I expect to happen. Yeah.

[James Lynch]

And he's already been trying to evade. I think. Bill, you alluded to the fact that he was trying to get the interview delayed.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Right.

[James Lynch]

His lawyer been making claims about patient privilege and being able to, you know, not discuss certain things because of that. And, you know, the oversight committee has rejected what o' Connor has been trying to do.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Well, I mean, tomorrow we'll cover it. Full born final question, the auto pen. So I don't know. I Don't know. I don't know what Biden, if he was sitting at a desk, I don't know why he couldn't sign the documents himself. I don't know. But if he didn't sign the doc, obviously he didn't because he used the auto pen. But if he didn't know what the document said and somebody else signed him with an auto pen, that opens up another criminal investigation, does it not?

[James Lynch]

Yeah, that's a whole nother can of worms. If they have evidence that Biden didn't know what was going on and wasn't playing any role in signing those documents, especially towards the end of his presidency when he was even more diminished.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Yeah, yeah. It's a mess. All right, James, if you get anything, let us know, please. We appreciate your time very much. And as we said, we will follow up on this for the rest of the week.

[Bill O'Reilly]

This is the no Spin News, WEEKEND Edition.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Friday, Ly Ma's still mad at Trump taking the Epstein files. He says, quote, how can people be expected to have faith in Trump if you won't release the Epstein files? Let's see. Why must July 8th on X. And as you know, he's Mr. Musk wants to start a third party, the American Party. Joining us now is one of the most astute political observers in the country. And Doug Schoen gave me money to say that on Saturday night when I was in person. He joins us now from Southampton, home of very wealthy, swell people, Southampton. He's a Democratic political strategist. So your take on the proposed American party?

[Doug Schoen]

You know, I have studied, Bill, third parties in America. There is broad support in the electorate for third parties. The problem is the only thing the two major parties, Democrats and Republicans, agree on is that we shouldn't have third parties.

[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Doug Schoen]

And to make it as difficult as possible for them to get on the ballot, get support and raise money. So I don't necessarily think Elon Musk, third party, in the absence of an infrastructure that doesn't exist, is going to do anything more than rally some aspects of the far right. Maybe a few people on the far left, but mostly far right, to the detriment of Donald Trump and the Republicans.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

The way I see it, there's no hope for this party because there's no constituency for it.

[Doug Schoen]

Correct.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

We took a poll. It's still up on billoriley.com who do you side with in a few between Trump and Musk, 93% of my viewers sign with Trump. No surprise. Seven with Musk. So Trump, you know, he has captured the imagination of millions of Republicans and MAGA people where Musk, I think he's admired in certain circles. Brilliant man, no doubt. But I don't know who would even register to be in the American party. I don't know one human being and I know thousands of people who would register for the American party. You know anybody who would do that?

[Doug Schoen]

That's why I said only a few people on the far right party.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

I don't even know they would do it.

[Doug Schoen]

Just disillusioned with the system.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Bill, you know, the Musk party is two things. Cut government spending big time. Liberals, never going to do that ever, ever, ever in a million years. So you get nobody from the left. 0. And be an isolationist. Okay. They don't want to be involved with bad things overseas. And you're right, the only people who might even consider those two things, although I think most conservatives would want cuts to the federal budget, I believe that's true. But they don't want to disrupt the Republican Party, which is trouncing at this point, the Democratic Party. Right.

[Doug Schoen]

All true, Bill. I believe that there isn't a constituency. I'm not convinced Musk is prepared to not only spend the money, which he has, obviously, but to build the grassroots, which is enormously difficult.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Think it'll cost him billions and billions of dollars to do this. And when he goes out to the grassroots, there's not going to be any grass. That's exactly like, okay, where's the grass? It's not like the American people when they heard this, Doug, going, oh, yeah, yeah, let's get this going. As I said, I don't know one person. So what it comes down to is it looks like a vanity play to me to annoy Donald Trump by Elon Musk. Last word?

[Doug Schoen]

Yeah, last word is I believe the only person who will be impacted this is Donald Trump by making it harder for Republicans, even in a good environment, to get elected. I think it frankly, is going to hurt Musk because the party won't, as you suggest, get support and be beyond that. I think it'll hurt his business enterprises. So my advice to Elon Musk would be to put the American party back where he came from, which is his head, and concentrate on that which he's good at, which is his businesses.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

All right, Doug, thanks very much. We appreciate it. Have a good summer on Long Island.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

All right, let's shift to the culture now. We don't do a lot of culture reporting anymore. I wrote a whole book on it, Culture Warrior. And what's interesting about that book is I guess it's about 15 years old, maybe even older. Everything I wrote in the book came true. Just call me Nostradamus about the change in the culture and what would happen and why it would happen. Anyway, the other day I was on NewsNation with my pal Stephen A. Smith and Cuomo, the three Americans. And we were talking about the entertainment industry and how it is having an effect on younger Americans. And you may remember that in a poll just before the 4th of July, Generation Z, born after 1996, only 41% are proud to be an American. And then a millennials 58%, which is a low number. And so I said to myself, why? And part of the reason is the culture of disrespect that's being peddled by the entertainment industry. And then Stephen and I got into it. I, growing up as a younger person, was a big fan of R and B and Motown. Big fan. I know a lot of Those guys, the OJs and the spinners and things like that. And I love them, and I thought they were a very positive force in America. I'll give you an example of the Four Tops. Go. All right, so the Four Tops. Are you man Enough from Shaft 2. Great song. Encouraging people to help other people. Well, today we have a different thing. Hip hop, I guess they call it. There are two. There are a lot of people who are very famous, making a lot of money, and two of them are Glorilla and Megan the Stallion. Roll a tape it's 365 days in the drip Come play with me on.

[Bill O'Reilly]

None of them days Freaking don't even.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Wear no cun don't know how to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Treat her like the autumn smack your.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Wet good neck that's me so why talk? I won't save a. Who do I look like, Superwoman? That's. I did not buy that album, by the way, but a lot of people did. And joining us from la, my pal Stephen A. Smith, sitting right in front of a house he just bought. I'm giving you some jazz. Okay, look, I'm a simple man, as you know, and I believe that this hip hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it. Bad language, don't even wear no condoms. You know, all of that stuff. And kids as young as what, 10, 11, 12 listen to this. Instead of me listening to Four Tops and the Temptations and Smokey Robinson, all these people, they're listening to this. And I think that the level of disrespect among younger people has risen because of this kind of stuff. Am I wrong?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm in no position to say definitively, Bill, that you're wrong. Where I was pushing back on you is when you talked about hip hop as if hip hop are the originators of all of this. When we talk about disrespect, when we talk about some of the lyrics that are spewed, and I'm like, have you listened to rock music? Have you listened to heavy metal music? Have you listened to some of the stuff spanning decades? Have you seen people worshiping the devil, engaging in Satanism, preaching about violence and whatever? I mean, we've seen all of this in the past, and that had nothing to do with hip hop. So when you came out on Cuomo show and you talked about hip hop, it's one thing to say that you don't like it, but it was almost as if you isolated your opinion to that, as opposed to really Embracing what really has been happening with the music industry, with Hollywood and some of the things that they've been perpetuating and disseminating for decades, long even before hip hop came along. That was my issue.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

But I don't do that. I don't do the justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. And you're absolutely right. I mean, a lot of this rock stuff is garbage. But this hip hop industry is directed at not just African American children, but children, many of whom are marginalized. They don't have people in the house. Father in the house. Look, I wouldn't let my kids listen to Megan the Stallion and Florilla or whatever his name is that could not come into my house. Am I wrong?

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're wrong if you're saying them. I would say to you there's certain songs I'm not going to allow you to listen to. Like for example, the artist that I grew up listening to, whether it was run DMC, it was KRS1, it was Eric B and Rakim, Public Enemy, etc, etc. In this day and age, whether it's Eminem, it's Jay Z, it's Nas, who's been around forever, along with the plethora of others, there's some songs I wouldn't allow my kids to listen to. There are other songs I don't mind. It all depends on a particular song and a particular lyrics that are being spewed. As opposed to me denigrating an artist because a particular song. That's what I'm saying to you.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay, but remember, okay, the unbelievable amount of African American children who are living without a father. It is a problem that this country has never seen at this level. You give those kids role models who are using the F word every two seconds, who've got tattoos all over them, who can't speak proper English. And you are saying that this is what is going to be imitated? Look, Willie Mays was my idol growing up, all right? There couldn't have been a better idol for me than Willie Mays. Just couldn't have been, all right? And he drove me to play baseball for 15 consecutive years. And then I went over to the turn on WABC AM radio to listen to all of these black artists whose music was uplifting. That helped me. Your burger is served.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Jose Antonio Vargas]

That is one perfect combination. Burgers deserve Pepsi.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Jose Antonio Vargas]

See mintmobile.com it didn't hurt me. Now the, the role models, many of them are hurting these kids. You got to admit that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not denying I'm not. I have no problem admitting that. I have no problem acknowledging that parents. And it extends beyond the black community. White, Hispanic.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Oh yeah, absolutely.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean everybody's complaining about, everybody's complaining about it. You're absolutely right. I'm not trying. I'm not here to say that you're wrong. I just want you to contextualize things properly. So we're talking about the subject right now, Bill, and you can look at it that way and you have every right to. I'm not going to knock you for that. But allow me to retort. Let's go into your wheelhouse for a second. Right now we're looking at an unemployment rate in the United States of America that's hovering around 4 to 4.1%. In the black community it's at 16% amongst young black males, particularly between the ages of 16 and 19, for example, I think I read the number being at about 19.8%. I've often been on the air saying this. When white folks catch a cold, black folks catch pneumonia, it's always worse for us. There's always an uphill battle to climb. So to get to your point, it makes it even harder when other obstacles get in the way that we know would potentially derail, particularly somebody from an African American community on a come up looking for opportunities. But what happens, the music industry comes along and they're talking to you about making money. And here's how we want you to make the money. And so you have young minds that are being influenced, but most importantly are trying to get a leg up or trying to earn their stripes or trying to find a way to pay their bills and to take care of themselves and their family, et cetera, et cetera, that are presented with these opportunities. So when you talk about a hip hop industry, you might Talk about the artist. And I might say somebody like Bill O'Reilly is informed enough to know it extends far beyond that particular artist because those artists answer to somebody. Somebody makes those albums, they promote those albums, they market those albums, they disseminate those albums.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Yeah, but the artist is creating. It is creating the scenario that if you are a certain person, you can use that language. The reason that the minority unemployment is higher is because of the presentation. If you are an African American in this country and you present yourself in a way the employer believes that is going to help the business, you'll get the job.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Not always.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

No system is perfect. But if. But believe me, believe me, you have a. You have a just as good a chance to get that job. And you don't want to work for racist anyway. Okay? Right. So. So. But if you go in and you can't speak English and you're going the F word every two minutes and you got a tattoo of a panther on your neck, there's a good chance you're not gonna get the job.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That is totally true. But that is not a vast majority of African Americans out in this world. And you have to take that into consideration as well. Now, you might look at some members of the hip hop community, and you might see them acting a certain way, which is unfortunate, and we don't hesitate to call them out for that. But we also see a lot of these hip hop artists doing fantastic things within the community, within the world.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay, but that doesn't justify. Look, Jay Z sold crack, all right? Killed people, all right? I have no respect for him. None. Zero.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, he's.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And he. And he's a friend of mine.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I'm a truthful man. He sold crack.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So am I. So am I.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

So if he would come out and he would say, I was absolutely wrong, don't use crack, all right? That is horrible.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And I'm saying to you is you can do two things at once. You can admit exactly what Bill O'Reilly said and then turn around and say, excuse me, this is what I had to do to survive. Because the opportunity.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

I don't believe that for a second.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, tell me. Tell me something you don't believe that.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Because there are most African Americans don't sell crack.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I understand that, but you're using a specific incident. I'm going to a macro perspective. There are an abundance of situations involving males in the African American community where trying times present themselves and challenges present themselves. I was fortunate and blessed enough to have a mother and a father in the home, Bill. Even my father wasn't doing.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

And that's why, even though I feel terrible about the unsupervised children, not just African Americans, but all of them who get involved with this hip hop, which is going to hurt them. Last question. Wouldn't it be better.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Not as simple as that, but.

[Doug Schoen]

Okay.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Wouldn't it be better for the world if Motown came back and all of the good songs that we still listen to 50, 60 years later, okay, dominated the music industry and not this other garbage? Wouldn't that be better?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I think a lot of it exists now. You've got a lot of beautiful artists out here. Have you ever listened to Joe? Have you ever listened to Akon? Have you ever listened to an abundance of other guys out there with some great music, some great albums out there, whatever. Everybody can't be Prince, Michael Jackson, the Temptations, the Four Tops. You forgot to mention the Osley Brothers. Let's not forget about Teddy Pendergrass, Luther Vandross. You had a whole bunch of artists that were absolutely fabulous.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

I got. I got to stop you there on Cuomo tonight, if we have time. You asked me about going to the Isley Brothers concert, okay? I was the only white guy in there. The only white guy. You told me, okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You told me that, and I remember.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

And the crowd.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But see, here's your problem. Here's your problem. You think. You think you're loved because you.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

You.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know Bill O'Reilly is right, and he tells the truth. That's not why you're respected and why you can walk anywhere even when people disagree with you. Do you know what the real reason is, Bill? Even if we think you're wrong, we know you mean what you say. You believe it. You feel it. We could go on and on about this particular conversation. I could have corrected you on a few things. But I know that your foundation, the foundation of your belief has some merit, and you're bold enough and brave enough to say it.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

Appreciate the question.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Rather than hiding behind some curtain. So that's where it comes from. But it ain't because we think you're right all the time. Because.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

No, no. And I don't want you to. I don't want you to think I'm right. I just try to make an overwhelming case. And that's what the three Americans is all about. That's why it's sweeping the country. You got three separate guys who all have belief systems who throw it on out there, and then people can say, all right, that's been. That's it. Have she been able to see you? Well, so I think it's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You could be nicer. You could be nicer to Chris Corby. That's the only thing we miss. You could be nicer.

[Jose Antonio Vargas]

You know, he doesn't deserve it. Okay. I mean, I tell you, he just doesn't deserve it. All right, I'll see you soon. Thanks for helping us out. We appreciate it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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