No Spin News - Weekend Edition - June 13, 2026

Summary

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Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: No Spin News – Weekend Edition - June 13, 2026
Airdate: June 13, 2026
Host: Bill O’Reilly
Guests: Bernard Goldberg, Stephen A. Smith, Chris Salcedo

Episode Overview

This weekend edition focuses on the ongoing confrontations between President Trump and the media, mounting tensions with Iran, the role of bias in major news organizations (particularly CBS and 60 Minutes), controversies around the California vote count, and shifting political sentiments among Hispanic Americans. Bill O’Reilly is joined by media veteran Bernard Goldberg, sports commentator Stephen A. Smith, and political analyst Chris Salcedo for a wide-ranging discussion covering politics, media credibility, sports, and demographic trends.

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Main Themes & Key Segments

1. Trump vs. The Media and Iran

[00:07–10:00]

• O’Reilly frames the news cycle as a “war on two fronts” for President Trump: his hardline on Iran and his battle with the mainstream media.
• Trump’s confrontational media appearances, especially with NBC’s Kristen Welker, are dissected.
• O’Reilly argues media questioning is typically combative rather than informational, missing opportunities for real insight.

Notable Quotes:

• “There are actually two wars in place here: Iran and the president’s conflict with the media. He’s winning the media. Donald Trump is. Iran: shaking.”
  — Bill O'Reilly [00:16]

• “You could ask and it’d be a foolish waste of time… Is there one fact that swayed you over to a fraudulent election posture? That’s informational. Now, chances are, you’re not going to get answers…But your presentation as a journalist matters.”
  — Bill O’Reilly [06:56]

• “You get a situation where Trump has defeated the media… They’re dropping; media hates that he’s winning.”
  — Bill O’Reilly [09:03]

Timestamps:

• Trump & media conflict intro – [00:07]
• Analysis of media interviewing style – [03:49–06:56]
• On walking out of interviews & journalistic responsibility – [06:46–10:00]

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2. Media Bias and the 60 Minutes Controversy

[11:04–29:26]

• O’Reilly and Bernard Goldberg, former CBS journalist, analyze the perceived liberal bias at CBS (and network news generally), the fallout around Scott Pelley’s exit from 60 Minutes, and the arrival of Barry Weiss.
• Two theories are floated: Weiss was brought into CBS to align news coverage more with Trump, or to correct existing liberal bias.
• Insular, combative environment at 60 Minutes is described as a “state within a state — they don’t like outsiders telling them what to do.”

Notable Quotes:

• “When it comes to arrogance, power and lack of accountability, journalists are probably the only people on the planet who make lawyers look good.”
  — Bernard Goldberg, quoting Stephen Brill [13:53]

• “You can back up Pelley’s hatred of Trump and not just Pelley, but others. In six years we can find only one positive reference, one made by 60 Minutes…That’s insane.”
  — Bill O’Reilly [18:04]

• “Journalists like to look down everybody’s throat…but if you examine what they’re doing, as you’re doing right now, Bill, they don’t like that at all.”
  — Bernard Goldberg [24:47]

Timestamps:

• Marquette Law School poll – [11:04]
• Goldberg’s CBS experience and media bias – [13:23–18:54]
• Pelley controversy & 60 Minutes culture – [18:54–24:45]
• Wider conclusions on journalism and manipulation – [24:45–29:19]

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3. California Vote Counting & Claims of Election Fraud

[29:58–37:14]

• O’Reilly covers the Los Angeles mayoral vote count, Trump’s fraud allegations, and the reactions of national media (ABC, CNN).
• Accuses news outlets of dismissing concerns as “baseless” without real investigation and elaborates on vote-counting practices like ballot harvesting.
• Federal efforts to audit California’s voter rolls are detailed, framing state non-cooperation as suspect.

Notable Quotes:

• “How would that correspondent… know that charges of fraud in the California vote were, quote, unquote, baseless? Did ABC News do an investigation? Did CNN?”
  — Bill O’Reilly [31:40]

• “You can put a bunch of votes in what they call a bundle…give that to anybody you want and that person can walk it in to the ballot box. Come on. It’s ridiculous. It’s absurd.”
  — Bill O’Reilly [32:18]

Timestamps:

• Analysis of the L.A. vote count & fraud allegations – [29:58–37:14]

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4. Trump at the Knicks Game: Sports, Politics, and Media Spin

[37:18–58:17]

• O’Reilly reviews media coverage of Trump’s appearance at a Knicks game, the reactions (mixed cheers and boos), and the resulting spat with ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith.
• Stephen A. Smith joins to clarify his criticism was logistical, not political — he felt Trump’s presence disrupted the city and the team’s momentum.
• Spirited debate unfolds on whether Trump’s presence affected the game outcome, culminating in good-natured crossfire about sports superstitions and the psychology of fandom.

Notable Quotes:

• “This president has no business showing up in New York City. I am dead serious…It is selfish, it is narcissistic, it is ridiculous.”
  — Stephen A. Smith [39:35]

• “If you really, really rooted for the Knicks, you would have called Trump and told him, don’t come.”
  — Stephen A. Smith [53:50]

• “I don’t think a dopey watch party is going to affect the game…excellent sports analysis by me.”
  — Bill O’Reilly [56:09, 56:44]

Timestamps:

• Intro to Knicks game story – [37:18–39:49]
• Smith–O’Reilly/NBA/Trump debate – [40:01–58:17]

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5. The Iran Stalemate and Trump’s Foreign Policy

[59:10–64:11]

• O’Reilly speculates on imminent U.S. military action against Iran, painting it as a high-stakes gamble for Trump amid public impatience and upcoming midterm elections.
• Inflation and economic hardship are linked to the Middle East standoff.

Notable Quotes:

• “The American people are losing a little confidence in Donald Trump right now, and he knows it…this Iranian confrontation was the biggest gamble Donald Trump has ever taken.”
  — Bill O’Reilly [59:10–60:45]

Timestamps:

• Iran policy commentary – [59:10–64:11]

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6. Hispanic American Voters and 2026 Political Dynamics

[64:16–75:25]

• O’Reilly presents Hispanic voter polling data, showing discontent with the economy but lingering skepticism about Trump and the GOP.
• Chris Salcedo, Texas-based conservative radio host, weighs in on polling bias, the distinction between “America First” and mainstream Republican appeal, and Hispanic voters’ skepticism of progressive agendas.

Notable Quotes:

• “The current Republican Party has done nothing in the affirmative toward the America First agenda…You can’t win on something if you haven’t done anything in a year.”
  — Chris Salcedo [69:35]

• “The counties that dotted right along the Texas Mexico border had been Democrat forever…those counties all flipped red in the last election.”
  — Chris Salcedo [73:39]

Timestamps:

• Polls and analysis of Hispanic voter mood – [64:16–66:51]
• Salcedo’s take on Texas and national implications – [66:51–75:25]

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7. Preview: Anthony Scaramucci Interview

[75:29–78:08]

• O’Reilly teases an upcoming long-form interview with Anthony Scaramucci, Trump’s former (and very brief) communications director, promising an inside perspective on D.C. “culture” and why Scaramucci turned on Trump.

Notable Quotes:

• “I was not the right guy for that job. I didn’t understand Washington culture. I was a front-stabber as opposed to a backstabber.”
  — Anthony Scaramucci [76:57]

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Memorable Moments & Tone

• O’Reilly routinely strikes a wry, slightly exasperated tone, especially when discussing media figures and sports.
• Exchanges with Goldberg and Smith are both combative and collegial.
• Emphasis throughout is on skepticism toward mainstream media narratives and government processes, with regular appeals for directness, transparency, and populist common sense.

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Additional Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Goldberg on newsroom arrogance:
  “If arrogance were a crime, the supermax prison in Colorado would be filled with journalists.” [13:53]
• On “the game” in D.C.:
  “There’s a whole different ethical profile in Washington than where you live or I live.” — O’Reilly [77:24]
• On the California voting process:
  “It is corrupt and California leads the league.” — O’Reilly [33:49]
• On sports superstitions:
  “You haven’t suffered for 53 years the way Knicks fans have suffered.” — Stephen A. Smith [53:17]

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Conclusion

This episode provides a comprehensive—and at times colorful—overview of the political and media landscape circa June 2026. O’Reilly and his guests dig into the battles between Trump and the press, the implications of ongoing foreign and domestic controversies, the insular power structures of legacy newsrooms, shifting voter demographics, and even the psychodrama of New York City sports—all delivered with a blend of skepticism, humor, and ex-journalist grit.

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Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

Welcome to the no Spin News weekend Edition.

Well, more President Trump controversies. What day is it? Every day I awaken. And there's another one. This one meet the Press 60 minutes. On and on and on. We got Bernie Goldberg warming up in a bullpen on it. I hope you read my Sunday column because there are actually two wars in place here, Iran and the president's conflict with the media. He's winning the media. Donald Trump is Iran shaking. That is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. So the column is entitled War Notes. It's free. Just go to billorilly.com and pops right up and you can read it. Same thing with the message of the day. They're different, but they're free. Calm lays out that ever since Donald Trump decided to get into politics 2016, the press has been on a mission to damage him. I think that's fair to say. I don't know if anybody could successfully debate that statement, but Donald Trump continues to go into places like Meet the Press on NBC that he knows are unfriendly. I asked him about it off camera one time and he said, look, I want my case out there. That's what I want. If I can convince people, fine. But that's not the most important thing. I want to be heard. Okay, but the downside, the risk is that you're going to get slammed and many times unfairly. So the president goes into Meet the Press on Sunday and then walks out of Meet the Press in the middle of the interview. No surprise, the moderator is a woman named Christian Welker. Kristen comes from a exceedingly Democratic family, given much money to that party, and she is a liberal woman. And what I mean by that is if there is a story that reflects poorly on conservatives or Republicans or the president, Kristen is going to do the story. If there is a story that reflects poorly on Democrats, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, whoever may be, there's a good chance Kristen will ignore the story. It's as simple as that. Okay, so right away, Kristen Welker gets into a Trump campaign promise. No new wars. Go. One of your consistent campaign promises was

[Kristen Welker]

no new wars going all the way back to 2015.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Did you break that promise to the American people?

[Donald Trump]

I had to stop a country, very powerful, very dangerous country, from having a nuclear weapon because they'd use it. They blow up the world, they blow up the Middle east, they blow up Israel, they come here, they blow up Europe. They're nuts, okay? They're crazy people. I deal with them. And very high strung people.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay? My Answer would have been had I been president and Sitting across from Ms. Welker, things change. And our intel information was that Iran was violating the Obama deal and was very, very close to accomplishing a nuclear weapon. So when I said no new wars, I meant it. But when new circumstances that are threatening come to the fore f o r e I got to deal with it as president. That would have been the answer that I would have given. It wouldn't have been enough from Ms. Welker. I understand that. But most people, I think, understand the danger to Iraq. They don't like the policy, but they understand the danger. Okay. Now you can ask that question about no new wars in two ways. Confrontational, as Ms. Walker did. You said, you said, or informational, as I do. There's a new war. Mr. President, what has changed now? Now he give the same answer. But then you could follow up with was there one intel report that swayed you to get involved with this conflict? Just give me one that's informational, not. You did it. You said it. How come you said it? That's confrontational. Happens all the time. Across the board. All the time. Okay. Now the second one was just foolish on the part of Kristen Welker. Foolish. Donald Trump believes that the election of 2020 was rigged. Nothing is going to change his mind. Nothing. This is going on for six years. Everyone in the country understands the President believes there was fraud. Everyone who pays attention. Why are you going back to this? Roll the tape.

[Donald Trump]

You play right into their hands with this rap. You know that these elections are rigged. Your network knows that they're rigged. You know that I won an election in a landslide And I got 94% bad press. But Mr. President, you know why I got that? Because you have no credibility. We're like a third world country. Your elections are crooked and you're crooked. At least the press is crooked, Mr. And so is ABC and CBS and CNN. But Mr. President, one sided, crooked network. So let's call it quits because I've had enough. Thank you, darling. Have a good time.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. Would I have walked out? No. However, what's the point? You haven't have any evidence.

[Donald Trump]

You haven't.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It doesn't matter. That's what the man believes. And you can take it or leave it. As the American voter. That's what he believes. Why are you going back on and on and on and on? You could ask and it'd be a foolish waste of time. Is the same thing you can ask about Iran? Is there one fact that swayed you over to a fraudulent Election posture that's informational. Now, chances are you're not going to get answers to those. I understand. But your presentation as a journalist matters. And now with the California debacle, and we'll get into that, Trump's got even more. You can't count the votes after six days. A surge from some left wing crank in Los Angeles, you mean? You know, I don't have any hard facts to say the California election, gubernatorial and mayoral in LA were fraudulent. I don't have any facts. It looks bad and it's looked bad for decades. And they won't fix it. Why won't they fix it? You never get that from Kristen Welker, ever. Okay, so when we're in a situation where the President is under siege by the media and he is, all right, he's going to hit back. That's the kind of guy he is. But there are legitimate questions that have to be asked. So according to Washington Post poll, 61% of the American people do not support the action in Iran. Now, a simple question that Welker could have asked and would have been much more responsible is, why do you think that is, Mr. President? Again, information. Why? 61% is a big number. Why? That's not rude. That's, that is legitimate for a journalist to do. Okay, so you get a situation where Trump has defeated the media. I mean, 60 Minutes and George Stephanopoulos and the guy at ABC, Terry Moran, they're just Colbert, one after the other after the other after the other. They're dropping media, hates that he's winning, that Iran. Don't know, could turn it around. Believes he will turn it around, the President does, but it's icy. And that's the memo.

You're listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

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[Jillian Michaels]

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[Mike Slater]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

So there is a poll by Marquette Law School. Decent poll. They do polling and it says Democrats are running behind Republicans on most important issues. Poll got no coverage? None. Nobody mentioned it on the network level. I don't believe CNN mentioned it or Ms. I think Fox might have, but I'm not sure. All right, here are the questions. Do you think the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, would do a better job handling immigration? Democrats, 27, Republicans, 46. That's astounding. National defense. Democrats, 27. Republicans, 42. Now that has to do with Iran. Doesn't really stack cron. Democrats, 19. Republicans 41. Taxes, Democrats, 31. Republicans 33. The economy. Democrats, 35. Republicans 32. And health care. Democrats, 44. Republicans, 24 is a big number for the Democrats because most Americans want the government to pay for health care. That's what that number is. Again, no reporting on the market poll whatsoever. Joining us now from North Carolina, the purveyor of bernardgoldberg.com Bernard Goldberg. There he is in person, live, as they say. Let me set you up here. You got a very fine website. We want people to go to bernardoberg.com you were in the exact same position as Pelly, the 60 Minutes guy who got fired. So you wrote a book called Bias, all right? And the book said, and you're working at CBS News at the time. They're not square. CBS News, not a square operation. Not fair. Okay? You didn't get fired. You got iced, rather than the boys put you on ice. So you know the Pelly story better than anyone. If you had to go back, would you have quit like Pelly quit?

[Bernard Goldberg]

First, let me say the reason I didn't get fired is because Michael Jordan saved me. Not that Michael Jordan. The Michael Jordan that was the president and CEO of Westinghouse, the company that owned CBS at the time. And he did an interview with a magazine and essentially said, bernie's got onto something. Bernie's got a point. The people who watch television news don't trust it. And Bernie, Bernie had had some validity in his argument. Once the CEO says that, you know what, I'm probably not going to get fired. And I didn't. The reason I didn't quit, Bill, is because. And Bob Sheeper said, if you don't like it here, why don't you leave? And My answer is no. No, I didn't do anything wrong. I'm talking about liberal bias at cbs. You did something wrong. If somebody's going to quit, you quit. I'm not quitting. And I stayed around for five more years and then wrote bias. Let me read you one very, very short thing before page one in Bias. It's a quote from Stephen Brill, who was an author, who was a journalist and a lawyer. He said, when it comes to arrogance, power and lack of accountability, journalists are probably the only people on the planet who make lawyers look good. He's right. There's a journalist. If, if, if arrogance were a crime, the supermax prison in Colorado would be filled with journalists.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, and let me just clarify something. You wrote the assessment of CBS's editorial posture in the Wall Street Journal. Yes, that's. And then rather in a boys iced you. I was there at the time, so I know that. Yeah, you still, you lost all credibility with them and then you wrote the book Bias after the Wall Street Journal. Now, Pelli, so Peli makes a big martyrdom play here that he's the victim and that the people who are giving him a hard time are under the sway of Trump. What did you think about that position?

[Bernard Goldberg]

I'm going to tell you that there are two theories about that, Bill, and I'm asking you and the people watching us now, don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what the two theories are. One of them agrees with Scott Pelley. One of them says that Barry Weiss was brought in to run CBS News, was brought in to make sure that what goes on the air at CBS News meets Donald Trump's approval. In other words, make CBS News something like the Donald Trump TV Network. Why? Because the people who bought CBS also want to buy the company that owns cnn. And they're going to need Donald Trump's blessings. So you bring Barry Weissen, she makes CBS News friendly to Donald Trump, and the deal could go through to buy cnn. One to back that up, to back that theory up. One former executive who you know, Bill and I know and who you respect and I respect, told me that. He said, I'm not. Normally, I don't believe in conspiracies, but there's one that I might believe in, and this is it. He said, Donald Trump doesn't like 60 minutes, he doesn't like Scott Pelley, and he doesn't like Stephen Colbert. Colbert is gone, Scott Pelley is gone, and 60 Minutes is a brand new boss. So, Bill, you don't have to be Paranoid to think maybe there's something to the theory that Barry Weiss was brought in to make Donald Trump happy.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The other theory. Let me wait before you get to the other thing. Let me challenge that.

[Bernard Goldberg]

But the other theory deals with challenging that. I'll do it in 10 seconds. The other theory is very simple. Barry Weiss was brought in because the people who own CBS say there's a liberal bias there and we need to get rid of it and bring the CBS News to the middle. But CBS News journalists don't think they have a liberal bias. They. So they despise Barry Weiss.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. And that's true. And. But you can back up the Pelly hatred of Trump and not just Pelly, but others. In six years that the President has held office, we can find only one positive reference, one made by 60 Minutes, and that was a short sound clip of somebody saying, hey, the terrorists might work in six years. That's all 60 Minutes could come up with in a positive way toward the Republican president. That's insane. I'm sorry.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Yeah. A former executive of CBS News told me flat out, this is a quote. Scott Pelley hates Donald Trump, but he doesn't hate him for political reasons. He doesn't hate him because he's a Republican. He hates him for the same reason that half the country don't like Donald Trump. I'm going to read you one thing Scott Pelley said at a commencement speech at Wake Forest University last year. He said, at this moment, our sacred rule of law is under attack. Journalism is under attack. Universities are under attack. Freedom of speech is under attack. And a quiet, insidious fear is creeping through our schools, our businesses, our homes, and into our private thoughts. We fear to speak in America. Now, he never mentioned Donald Trump by name, but you have to be in a coma not to understand that Scott Pelley was taking a shot at Donald Trump. You don't do that if you're a CBS News correspondent and specifically a 60 Minutes correspondent, that he said it while he was doing that, while he was. While he was at CBS on the air. You just don't do that. And I can tell you this, a former 60 Minutes executive producer agrees that you don't do that. He shouldn't have been allowed to do that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. Wasn't it interesting that all the objection to Scott Pelley's conundrum came from the left? You didn't hear anybody on the right. And there are some libertarians on the right who want freedom of speech. They don't want anybody, any government agency controlling the media. Not One stuck up for Peli. So I think these guys at 60 Minutes live in a land of their own.

[Bernard Goldberg]

They do.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah. They contrive this world like they're noble, they're doing the people's business. But in reality, they're not, they're not telling the truth. They're not giving you the whole picture.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Listen, it's they, they live in a world of their own. Is absolutely true. They are a part of CBS News and they are apart from CBS News. They're in a different building from CBS News. They are a tight knit family that fights with each other, but they don't like outsiders telling them what to do. Jeff Fager, the former executive producer of 60 Minutes, told me on the record, 60 Minutes is a feisty place, his word, feisty. And that they fight with each other all the time. Arguments are not uncommon there. And the new guy coming in, Nick Bilton, should have been aware of the culture that he was speaking to and perhaps should have been more sensitive and less sensitive to what Scott Pelley said. I told Jeff Baker I thought Scott Pelley should have been fired because he crossed a bright line. Another person who used to work at 60 Minutes told me, at 60 Minutes, F you is the way they say good morning every day. It's a tough place. It's a insidious, it's a, it's an enclave. It's a state within a state. And they don't like outsiders telling them what to do. And here comes Barry Weiss, here comes Nick Bilton. They don't like it. And they have all, as you correctly said, they have all their liberal friends in the media sticking up for them. Now, all that said, Bill, again, and don't shoot the messenger. All that said, they may be onto something with Barry Weiss coming in to make Donald Trump happy. The jury is still out on that. That may be the case. And if it is, that's wrong. We don't want that. Even Trump supporters shouldn't want that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You also have the, the situation where Steve Kroft told me on our long form that he hated working at CBS at 60 Minutes and it was horrible, debilitating for him. So again, it seems that the powers that be in that place is not just ideological, but they're, they eat their own. I mean, you know, according to Croft, this was the most miserable time of his life.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Mike Wallace and Morley Safer are two of the great journalists of our time. Mike, I'm told, would steal Morley stories, steal his stories, but Morley would be getting ready to do a story and Mike would Steal it out from under him. It's in corporate America today. And I know a little about this because I know people in big time corporate America. This kind of thing, they'd be going to HR every day. I mean, what goes on at 60 Minutes is not what goes on in modern day corporate America. They fight, they argue, they love each other. It's a family. I made a case once that CBS News was a family. It was the Manson family. But they don't like people coming in and telling them what to do. I told you, I read you the quote about arrogance. There's an arrogance there. There's a good arrogance and a bad arrogance. They have a kind of arrogance that we know what we're doing, we're the best. Don't you tell us what to do?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't think it's coming back.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Let me make one other point, Bill. Sure. About journalism in general. Journalists like to look down everybody's throat. They look down the throat of military people. They look down the throat of sports people. They look down the throat of political people. But if you look down their throat, if you look down their throat and you examine what they're doing, as you're doing right now, Bill, they don't like that at all. They like looking down your throat, but don't you dare look down their throat.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, I think 60 Minutes is done. I tried to watch it last night. It was boring. Which is a car. I don't send for television news.

[Mike Slater]

Now.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They have three people who left, correspondents and three that remain. And the ones that remain are really not difference makers. Is the Nation according to Bernie Goldberg better off that all of this bias that you wrote about is under siege and that Trump seems to be winning this war?

[Bernard Goldberg]

Yeah. I don't know if I agree with you that winning this war because I don't know what winning this war means.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, he's getting people fired. He's getting news organizations and entertainment organizations turned around that they won't do certain things because they fear him.

[Bernard Goldberg]

I don't like that. I don't like any president. I wouldn't like if Barack Obama or Joe Biden decided they don't like Sean Hannity and they had the clout to get him fired, or they didn't like Brett Bear and they wanted to get him. I don't like that. It's not what a president should do. A president should be bigger and above it, above it all. But as far as the bias is concerned, when I wrote bias in 2001, when I wrote this book in 2001, it was a wake up call. It was an alarm. Pay attention. Nobody in the liberal media, nobody paid attention. And now they're paying the price.

[Bill O'Reilly]

However, if Trump didn't take them on, nothing would improve. Okay. So the whole structure of bashing Republicans, conservatives, and Trump by extension would remain. If Trump didn't take them on.

[Bernard Goldberg]

It's going to remain anyway and you know it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think there's going to be big changes at CNN and CBS within the next 18 months.

[Bernard Goldberg]

You're right about that. And that presents a situation that is of huge consequence. What if the people who bought CBS wind up buying CNN and they have both, they have both CNN and CBS News under their control. And the people who are talking about Bill are friends with Donald Trump, the Ellison Larry, who founded Oracle and he's one of the two or three richest people on the planet and his son David Ellison. If they're friends with the president of the United States, any president, but in this case Donald Trump, and they have a big say over two major news organizations. Do you, Bill O'Reilly, think that's a good idea?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I think it's subject to scrutiny on a case by case basis. So you had the president tank for jfk. Okay, you want names? I can give you names all day long. You had the president tank for fdr. Same thing. All right. And good journalists, honest journalists, people like you have to call it out on a case by case that if the president or anybody else in power starts to manipulate the news coverage and the information flow to the American people, that's got to be condemned right away. However.

[Bernard Goldberg]

That's all I'm saying.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. But if there is an industry wide jihad against conservative Republicans or any president that has got to be disposed and destroyed last.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Absolutely. My last word. Absolutely. You're right. I'm with you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right. Darnie Goldberg with me. That means I have to read bernardgoldberg.com again today. Make sure my partner here is on the right track.

[Bernard Goldberg]

50% sale based to new subscribers based on this conversation we're having.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wow, 50% off. Goldberg. Okay. We appreciate it, Bernie. Thanks for taking the time.

This is the no Spin News Weekend Edition.

We've got a lot of angst. One of my favorite words, a n gst over the California vote ad is the subject of this evening's Talking Points memo. So the first assistant U.S. attorney in Central District of California, Bill, as Saleh, has announced that his office partying with the FBI is going to look at the California vote, particularly the Los Angeles mayoral situation. Now, you may understand that a guy named Pratt was running second to Karen Bass, Pratt's Republican. Then all of a sudden, a surge of votes came in for the third party person who is just a socialist, crazy person. And everybody's going around, well, what's this? Where did this come from? And it took the city of LA almost seven days to count the vote. So come on, you got to be a little suspicious. No, no, not the media. They're not suspicious. Here was ABC World News Tonight last night. Go.

[Kristen Welker]

Now. With Pratt trailing Trump making baseless claims of fraud, citing how long it's taking to count the ballots. But this is typical for California. Ballots postmarked by election Day can arrive up to a week later and still be counted. And election workers cross check the signatures on those mail in ballots in. It's not fast, but it's meant to prevent voter fraud.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, that's an interesting spin. So President Trump making baseless claims. How would that correspondent Kana Whitworth know that? How would she know that charges of fraud in the California vote were, quote, unquote, baseless? How did Karen do an investigation? Did ABC News do what? No. And it would be impossible to do it in six days anyway. But it's baseless. Don't believe it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Couldn't happen. No. Those Californians, they, they're up front. They count everybody. Is it true there's no voter ID anywhere? Okay. You can put a bunch of votes in what they call a bundle, whether it be a sack or a satchel, whatever it may be. You can give that to anybody you want and that person can walk it in to the ballot box. Come on. It's ridiculous. It's absurd. Now, each ballot is supposed to have a date, Election day. You can't go further. But who's checking that? Who's checking all those dates from all those bundles? No one. So it's a free fire zone. Every thinking person knows that now on cnn, they did the same thing. So I'm sitting there before the Nick game, watching Aaron Burnett, and all across the screen is baseless, baseless, baseless. Again, this is the mantra. This is what goes out. So Trump can possibly have a point. Couldn't possibly be any fraud. It's baseless. CNN investigate. No. Aaron. Bernadette. No. I mean, it's really, really disheartening to see what has taken place. Anyway, the feds are involved. Remember, according to Constitution, the states run their votes, but there is federal oversight about fraud. So here's what the US Attorney put out. Quote, we also have serious concerns about how California maintains its voter rolls. There are questions about whether the state is promptly removing deceased voters, people have moved and individuals convicted of disqualifying felonies. On top of that, California allows third parties to collect and turn in ballots on voters behalf. That's the bundle practice known as ballot harvesting. With few restrictions, this makes it difficult to track who actually received, completed and submitted each ballot. For over a year, the Department of Justice has been trying to audit California's voter rolls. Federal law gives the Attorney General the authority to review some voter files and confirm that only eligible U.S. citizens are voting in federal elections. Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dillon sent California letter explaining our legal authority. California refused to comply. What does that tell you? California doesn't want federal oversight. They don't want anybody looking at what they're doing. This is our system. It is corrupt and California leads the league. Other states have imitated it, okay? The party in power are the Democrats in California and we're going to keep them in power by allowing anybody and everybody to vote. They found a dog that voted out in la. A dog. And the only reason they found it is because the dog's owner said, my dog voted, brought it in and wanted to make a point. Okay? Now here's the fault of the government. It investigates a lot of things. It investigated 2020 voter fraud allegations. Never issues a report. We never get anything from them. So this time are we going to get a report about the California vote, gubernatorial and mayoral? Are we going to see something? I doubt it. You know, they make a big deal out of we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to. And then nobody sees it. That's the Fed's fault, okay? And it is happening all the time in the liberal states. And it's not hard. If you uncover something, Justice Department put it out there. If you don't put it out there, not hard. Send the FBI out. Do what you have to do. Tell the folks that you found out not unreasonable. I don't believe it is.

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Now, President Trump at the Knicks game. You may think this is not an important story, but kind of is and I'm going to frame it for you. I was watching a game. I was on News Nation at 9 with Leland Vitter. But from 8:30 to 9 I was watching a game and the star spangled down, it was beautifully sung. And President Trump was saluting the flag and the banner the song not with the press reported. Press reported. He was saluting the crowd and the crowd booed. All right, I'm sitting in my living room. I'm hearing what everybody's hearing from the ABC transmission of the pregame show and President Trump. I hear mixed. Roll tape. There's a lot of applause there, right? Am I delusional? I wasn't taking mushrooms. I'm going, all right. Madison Square Garden, New York, liberal city, you know, mixed reception. Am I crazy? Oh, no. You got heavily booed. I opened the media and I knew it. I heavily booed. Oh, look at this angle. No, I saw. Stop it now. Does that matter? It does not matter. Okay, it does not matter. But then the President, as he's wont to do, gets into a controversy with Stephen A. Smith, who did not think it was a good idea for the President to show up in the first place because of logistics, because so many things had to be changed. Roll a tape on that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

This President has no business showing up in New York City. I am dead serious. It is selfish, it is narcissistic, it is, it is ridiculous that he. That he is coming to this game.

[Donald Trump]

I think he's a nice guy, but you need a certain aptitude to run for President. You need a high iq. I'm not sure that Stephen has that. I don't think he does, actually.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So what would anybody expect? Okay. Joining us now from New York is the aforementioned Stephen A. Smith. From what I understand, you objected to Trump coming to the game for logistical reasons. You didn't want. You, you didn't want the city walled off. You didn't want all of that. Is that true?

[Stephen A. Smith]

That is absolutely true. Had absolutely, positively nothing to do with politics. It was the inconvenience his arrival was going to call to the congestion in New York City. Had this been in Texas or someplace like that, with multi, with arenas where you got multiple exits, exit points and all of that stuff, it would have been different with all the years that I've been covering the NBA. But the Garden is a mess and is in the heart of New York City. And most importantly, the watch parties that they were having out there, the vibe, the electricity in the air, all the momentum that the New York Knicks were riding, I didn't want anything to mess with that at all. I've been a lifelong Knicks fan. I know that President Trump has been one himself. A lot of people are talking because of their political views or whatever. Oh, why the hell he's in there? Why as hell is he there? Stuff like that. I'M like, shut the hell up. Leave him alone. He's a lifelong Knick fan. I saw him plenty of times at the Knicks game. A matter of fact, if you recall Bill O'Reilly years ago, he introduced me to you at a Knicks game.

[Bernard Goldberg]

He introduced me to you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You were there with him. So he's always been at the Knicks game. I know he's a fan, but he's the President of the United States. And with him comes a whole bevy of logistical nightmares that I thought would impede upon the momentum of the New York Knicks. And in the aftermath of it all, it turns out I was absolutely right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, well, San Antonio didn't have those problems. Now, in defense of Trump, the watch parties had 17 arrested, one cop in the hospital. So the President may have done the city a favor because they moved the watch party out to Central park. And there was one, I think, in South Manhattan or Brooklyn. But the police were overjoyed. There were no watch parties around the Garden. Are you aware of that?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I was not aware of that, but I don't care. And I'm going to tell you why I don't care. If and when the New York Knicks win a championship, there will be a celebration, there will be a parade, there's going to be mayhem in the streets. And we know more arrests are going to come. As has always been the case, whether it's the New York Yankees, whether it's anybody that you see, the reality of the situation is that hooligans and people who don't know how to act and lawless behavior does deserve to be addressed and punished. Nobody is acting like that can't be the case. That shouldn't be the case, but. But it is always happening. Anytime you have a festive atmosphere, people are inebriated, they're drinking, they're acting stupid, they're doing a whole bunch of things. This is not beyond the pale. I don't give a damn what celebration. You could talk to 86 Mets, you could talk to Yankees during their run. You could talk about the Giants, not the jets, because they haven't won since 1969, as you well know. But the point of Rangers in 94, the list goes on and on.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

There are always.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Anytime you got an environment like that, those kind of behaviors take place.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

That's what happens.

[Bernard Goldberg]

We know that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah. Here's something interesting. There weren't any arrests last night. Okay?

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

There was no man.

[Mike Slater]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, okay, that's, you know, so

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm saying that thesis, that it's always going to happen no matter what. I don't know if that holds, but I'm more interested in this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, they didn't have. At the event last night.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

They didn't have it outside the Garden last night.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's what I'm saying.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

And they lost.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wait, wait, no, they had two events. They just weren't around a Garden.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Yeah, but. But they lost, so there was nothing to celebrate. Everybody go home.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Would have been mad if they lost. Wouldn't they be mad?

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, no.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

What I'm saying to you, my point is, is that usually the mayhem takes place after wins because people are so celebratory, they're in the streets acting crazy. You know that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I'll go back to. The police were relieved. They did not have to police a rally close to the Garden. All right, now you're inside the arena. I did not go because I. I couldn't sell my house in time to get the money to buy the tickets. Okay? I had it up for sale for four.

[Donald Trump]

Four days.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Like you can't. Like you can't afford it. I mean, unbelievable. That's just being cheap, Bill. That's just being cheap.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, no, no. See, I give my money to charity. I can't afford.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

You got so much money you could give to charity and to the Knicks. Yeah, but just stop what you're talking to.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm not. I'm not going to pay $30,000 to see a dopey basketball game unless. Unless it was one on 1. Madonna versus, you know, not even going to go like that. But there comes a point where even people of affluence, you have to make a decision. And my decision was money. My money could be used better elsewhere. But you're in the Garden and I'm watching on ABC and I see that the guy who's saying the national anthem was light side. He was so good. And they, they cut to Trump twice. All right, the first time was he saluting the flag and the anthem. Of course, the press, not the commentators. Commentators are good. They say, oh, he's saluting the crowd. It was saluting the crowd. Okay. And there's a mix. You can hear it. We just played it before you came on. There's a mix of boos and cheers, which is what I expected because I was at Yankee Stadium in September for the 911 event, which was much more positive for Donald Trump than this one.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But anyway, it was mix. Would that be a fair hell out of him, Bill?

[Stephen A. Smith]

They built.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

No, no, no, no, no. I was in the arena.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I couldn't I was, I was in the arena, so I wasn't by a TV screen hearing what you were hearing from the commentators. But I'm telling you, those boo.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

They booed the hell out of them.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It was no cheers, no. No USA no clapping.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying no.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

No.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They were chanting USA Particularly when singing Nashville anthem. But before they showed him and when

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

he was saluting, when they showed him, they showed him for a quick second

[Stephen A. Smith]

once and then they showed him the second time and really planted them on the camera on them, they booed big time. So I'm not trying to sit up here and say nobody, not a single

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

soul in the Garden cheered, But at about 50 to 1 it was, it was loud. And, and, and they booed the living

[Stephen A. Smith]

hell out of them.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

But you know what? I, but I'm here to tell you something right now. You could I, and I've said this before, regardless of people's politics and all of that other stuff, I'm here to tell you right now, a lot of people were ticked off about the congestion,

[Stephen A. Smith]

the difficulties getting into the arena, that kind of stuff.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

That might have been why they booed

[Stephen A. Smith]

him as much as anything else could have been.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But this is a liberal city and he's an affluent crowd, different crowd from Yankee Stadium. Now, when the president insults you, do you care?

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, I don't. And not only that, I didn't take it as an insult. Listen, that, that's his default position. When you do something that irritates him, he's going to question your IQ in

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

most situations, he's done it with a bevy of individuals, both black.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I know, I know black folks in the community, in my community, they want to sit up there and act like it's a racist thing and whatever.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

I've seen him call plenty of white people low iq.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So I'm not going there. It's not necessary. I didn't take it the way that he probably wanted me to take it.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

And here's the biggest reason why I've been critical of quite a few things

[Stephen A. Smith]

of Donald Trump since he's returned to the White House.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

He has every right to clap back

[Stephen A. Smith]

at me, you understand? And if he felt insulted, I'm a

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

big boy, I can take it. It's not going to get me to go on the air and call him

[Stephen A. Smith]

out his name and disrespect him or anything like that.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

I meant what I said about when

[Stephen A. Smith]

I called him out about this.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

But let's look at the Nugget of information that I threw out there. You were 26 years old in 1973 when the new York Knicks were last in the finals and won a championship. Donald Trump, you were there in 1970

[Stephen A. Smith]

when Willis Reed walked out of that tunnel.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

You were there in 1973 when Walt Clyde Frazier put on the show and

[Stephen A. Smith]

sent Jerry west and those boys home.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

And you were there all of these years of misery, the miss layups by Charles Smith, the finger roll that wasn't by Patrick Ewan, the draft capital that went awry because it wasn't maneuvered in a proper way. There are an abundance of things that the sports fan that I know Donald Trump to be is aware of, and that mojo and that crowd, that fervor, that passion that propelled the New York Knicks to this point, the Donald Trump that I knew before he became president would have gravitated to that, fed off of that and would have been in the mix. Absolutely, because he would have known how valuable it was. But the Donald Trump, that's the president should have been sensitive enough to know that you could derail that because of the inconvenience, because of the eradication of the Watch Party, because of the momentum and the fervor that the New York Knicks were riding, that you interrupted with your presence. You didn't need to be there. That's who I was calling out. I wasn't calling out some dude in the White House. I was calling out the president that has that cachet, and that would cause the point.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But I'm telling you that the Watch Party cancellation at the Garden, which was moved, as we pointed out, had no effect on the Knicks losing at all. They didn't care.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Let me ask you a question. Now, answer your audience this. You tell me. You and I have gotten to know each other over the last few years. You tell me one time. We've, we've agreed with each other on sports topics. You know, I don't agree with you. Don't talk to me like, like, like it's demonstrable. You believe what you believe. I believe. I believe that the New York Knicks had that Watch Party and Donald Trump wasn't there. They had one last night.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I believe that you're living in a fantasy world.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

I believe. I believe that the man messed with them. Or do you believe in mojo? Do you believe. Do you believe in momentum?

[Bill O'Reilly]

No.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Do you believe in that passion? You don't believe in that Bill?

[Donald Trump]

No.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No. From what I saw, he was. Trump was asleep most of the game. So, you know, he didn't Have. He didn't have anything to do with Doan. The Spurs. Spurs outplayed him. The spurs outplayed him. Watch party baloney.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Hold. Listen, listen. The spurs outplayed him. That's no doubt about that. But when you take into account the fervor that existed prior to the game, you're a visiting team. You're walking into Madison Square Garden and you recognize that you ain't just going up against a team. You're going up against a city that's descending its momentum down upon you. The Knicks look worse than the Spurs. They look more nervous than the spurs, to be quite honest with you. And I thought that the momentum that the New York Knicks were riding was compromised by a man that is a Queens native, that is a lifelong New York Knicks fan that I thought was thoughtless and not, dare I use the word superstitious. Not superstitious enough to recognize you don't get in the way of that stuff. That's who I was talking about.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You could say that.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Public Internet GOP and policies and all of that stuff. I'm saying, yo, you're a Nick fan. You're supposed to make that mistake.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You could say the same thing about you. Nick's folded. Knicks lost because you're in this, in the building, and they were scared of you. They didn't want you to criticize them out.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

I was in the building when they won games one and two. I've been covering the series. So how you gonna say that you're wrong about that once again, Bill, this is sports. Now, listen, I defer to you when it come to the politics. You need to defer to me when it come to the sports. You ain't been right yet going up against me, Bill. I'm telling you, I was in the build it when they beat San Antonio Games 1 and 2. So that argument that you just posed makes no sense.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Are wrong.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You won that point in that chess point. I'll give you my rook on that chess point. But I'm telling you, it had no bearing on what was happening on the court. Not because, all right, the spurs are a good team and they've been underestimated and by most of America because of the hype of New York City. They're a good team. They're a good team.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

They won 62 games this year. They were the second best team in all of basketball, right?

[Bill O'Reilly]

A good team.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

They walked into. They walked into these NBA Finals favorites over the New York Knicks. And here's how I will prove my point. They're Saying that Donald Trump ain't gonna show up for game four tomorrow night. No, he won't win tomorrow night. Nick's gonna win tomorrow night. Nick's gonna win to Mark night. Tomorrow night. They're gonna go up 3, 1. And when the Knicks win, what you gonna say then, Bill, he's gone. He comes, they lose, he's gone, they win. What you gonna say?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm gonna say the Knicks were a better team tomorrow night if they won.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

But that's. You look.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, I don't. I wrote the book Killing the Witches. I'm not into witchcraft. I don't think that Trump walking in did anything to affect the scoreboard.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Mojo, a big guy.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Finally, somebody woke him up.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

For 53 years. When you haven't won for 53 years, you hold on to anything that you can hold on to, Bill. See, that's the problem. That's the problem. You know, you. You had too much success, Bill. You had too much success. You're flying high, you're chilling. You're damn near. You're approaching 80 years old and still kicking tail with your. With your shows and everything that you're doing. You just win. So guess what? It doesn't affect you that way. You haven't suffered for 53 years the way Nick fans have suffered.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I root for the Knicks. I root for the Knicks.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Don't seem like it. You don't. See, listen, if you really, really rooted for the Knick, you would have called Trump and told him, don't come.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, come. I was. I was kind of. I was kind of mixed on the logistic thing, but after the police debriefed me, then I went over to the. This does more good than harm because of the 17 arrests and the one cop in jail. And you're correct that these nuts will use almost anything to cause trouble.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

That's right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But. But if you want to contain the loons, there are easier ways to do it than to surround the garden with watch parties. I'm a logical thinker, but when we get on to the Knicks, I had no expectation last night of either team winning. I could. And if I'm a betting man, which

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

I'm not, and you call yourself, you say you root for the Knicks, that you had no expectation that they were gonna win last night. No, I mean, what kind of. What kind of rooting for the Knicks is that?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, wait a minute.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

They were going to win.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Just because I'm pulling for a team doesn't mean I think the team's a lock to win. I mean, what am I, some bookie someplace? I knew that the big seven foot three guy lost game two, okay? This is what I knew. He lost the game, all right? Wembayanya, whatever his name is, he lost it. So in my mind, I'm going, this guy has got to be ferocious tonight to regain, I try his credibility.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I try to look out for you. I try not to call you out. I really, really do. But I'm going to call you out right now and show the world how disingenuous Bill O'Reilly is as a sports fan. He says, what am I, a bookie or something?

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

What do you mean?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I, I, I, I don't expect him to lose. When I bring up the jets, you expect them to lose. When I bring up the Giants, you expect them to lose. When I brought up the Knicks last year, you expected them to lose.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

When I bring up the Mets, you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, but it was a different circumstance.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

You make predictions all the time off the air. I know the Bill O'Reilly I talk to. Yeah, but I do it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I do it.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

He thinks, he said he might as well be a bookie the way you call out stuff. And you've been right half the time, I don't. But you on camera, and you don't do that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Listen to me. I don't make these decisions based on emotion. I don't think a dopey watch party is going to affect the game. I knew that the 7 foot 3 guy, Wemby, was gonna come in ferocious, and he did. And he blew away. What's his name, the other big man for the Knicks.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Call Anthony Town. Call Anthony Town.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, it blew him away. And I knew that was likely to happen, which I will tell you, is excellent sports analysis by me. Excellent.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

That's not bad. It's not bad. You have your moments. You have your moments. I give it to you. You have your moments, okay? But here's the deal, Bill. Here's the deal. You know, years ago, the New York

[Stephen A. Smith]

Knicks are playing Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls in the playoffs. And the New York Knicks going up two zero. And they look good. And the expectations, were we gonna finally knock off Michael Jordan? And then the press gets wind of Michael Jordan taking a trip to Atlantic City. Right. Or they were up 1 0. I'm sorry. And they were taking a trip to Atlantic City. He was going down there with his dad or whatever he wanted to get, you know, get his head right. And he went to Atlantic City to gamble. And they were writing all of these stories about Michael Jordan gambling and does he have a gambling problem and stuff like that. And what was my response? Shut the hell up. Don't tug on Superman's cape. Don't get this man aggravated.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Leave him alone. He's Michael Jordan. Don't do this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

New York Knicks proceed to lose four straight.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Four straight. Wiped them out. Came out. Showed up in game four, dropped them out.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

I'm just wiped them out. I'm just saying.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Because he was angry.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

What I'm saying is in sports, there are things that happen off the court that affect your mental on the court, which ultimately affects your game. That is what I was concerned about, the New York Knicks. That is what happened. That is why Trump shouldn't have been there, period.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, I disagree, but it's a gentleman's disagreement and a fun disagreement. Hey, Stephen A. I'll catch up with you on a little political stuff on News Nation, hopefully soon. We really appreciate it. I know how busy you are. You got like 18 shows. You're always on here. You're like Jerry Lewis telethon. You're just never off the air. It's like, it's like 36 hours of straight, you know, I'll send a donation to give you a nap. I will send a no nation.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Well, I appreciate it. I need all the help I could get. Thanks a lot, Bill.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right, man.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right. Well, that was interesting. Not of Iran status, but it was interesting.

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Now, I don't have any inside information, but I believe Iran's going to get hit militarily very soon. President Trump has to reignite his momentum and the mullahs are just not cooperating. And I don't think it will cooperate until the pain level gets very, very high. So I am awaiting, as is my staff, some military action might not happen. The president has said before, I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him. And has not. But remember, the American people are losing a little confidence in Donald Trump right now, and he knows it. And we got the midterms in November. So the situation, I believe, is urgent. And that's the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. So the Bureau of Labor Statistics put inflation today at 4.2%. That's high. And last time we saw that number was March 2026, more than a year ago. President Trump had just taken office. And that's going to embolden the mullahs because they're sitting there going, hey, the whole world is suffering. And that's true because of higher prices everywhere for gas, food and essentials. So why should we make a deal? Okay? That's why President Trump has to encourage them. Now, inside Iran, inflation's about 80%. That means people are having trouble buying food. When you can't feed your population. That's when revolutions start. And that's what the Trump administration was hoping for, that the Persian people would rise up and get rid of these fanatical moas. But that's a hope, it's not a strategy, because they don't know, we don't know how much pain the Iranian people can and will endure. We do know that we have, along with Israel, the capacity pretty much crippled that country for a long period of time. And I believe that's going to be used again. Could be wrong. On March 3, I said this go. Certainly if Iran goes south, the President's going to have some problems. This is a big gamble on his part. Big. Now, if it turns out like Venezuela, he's going to be a hero, but boy, he's rolling the dice. And I said in addition to that, that this Iranian confrontation was the biggest gamble Donald Trump has ever taken in his entire life. Because it's so complex, so many things can go wrong. And I have again, we're not losing, but it's a stalemate that is hurting the American people economically and people all over the world. Now, the fact that the rest of the world, Europe and Asia, don't help remove the mullahs is a scandal. And it tells you all you need to know about the United States being the most noble nation on the planet. We understand the danger of the Iranian government. We understand they are killers. And now President Trump is trying to eradicate them. Nobody's helping. It's really a scandal. I mean, really shocking. I never could have predicted that. Even Great Britain, my God. And that again is a victory for the mullahs. Oh, the rest of the world wanted part of this. Okay, so that is a quagmire. And president again today said it's going to be big price militarily. Again, I don't have the sit reps. The President gets in the morning from the Pentagon, from the CIA, from the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence. It all comes in. He sees it. What's vulnerable, what isn't in Iran, you know, Straits of Hormuz, all that stuff. But, boy, something's got to happen. And that's the memoir.

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Hispanic Americans, they were a major factor in the reelection of Donald Trump, Trump got 46% of the Hispanic American vote in 2024, as opposed to Harris got 51%. Say very close. And usually Hispanic Americans historically vote Democrat. What about now? Because in order for the Republicans to keep the House and Senate, they're going to need Hispanic votes in November. Simple, we're going to need them. So an outfit called Libre has a poll out and the first question is, how would you rate the current state of the economy? Excellent. Good. 18%.

[Unidentified Sports Commentator]

Fair.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Poor. 82%. This is Hispanic registered voters. That's a whopping repudiation of what's happening in Washington. Second question. Inflation has negatively impacted my quality of life. Yes or no? 88%. Yes. Disagree. 12. Now remember, most Hispanic Americans are working class people, okay? So higher prices hurt them and they know it. And these are big numbers. Big numbers. Okay, Final poll comes out of Unidose. And the question is, do you approve of President Trump's job? Of course. Performance? Approved. 30%. Disapproved. 67%. All of that polling, everything, all of it is not good for the Republican Party right now. Joining us out for Texas is a guy who knows the situation very well. His name is Chris Salcedo. You hear him on KSEV radio in Houston. And he has a new book out, the Rise of the Liberty Loving A New American Revolution. You ought to check it out. Very interesting book. Okay, so are you seeing what I'm seeing, Chris? That Hispanic Americans, hardworking here legally, are getting hammered and are not, please, with

[Chris Salcedo]

the current administration, I think I'm seeing that there are economic headwinds, sure. That every American, not just Hispanics, are dealing with because of what's going on over in Iran that you articulated earlier, high gas prices. I've been saying this on my programs, that if high gas prices remain high coming into the fall, it's going to be a big problem for the Republicans. President Trump, as you articulated, took a calculated risk here. But I'll say something about Unidos, I'll say something about Libre that you were citing, you know, their pollsters, their press in, in the Latino community, the Spanish speaking community is just as liberal and left wing as ours is. So they ask a lot of biased questions now. And notice the questions they didn't ask. Are you satisfied with, with what President Trump has been doing as far as criminal, illegal aliens breaking into the country? Has the Trump administration fulfilled their promise to stop the massive criminal, illegal immigration into your neighborhoods? It was destroying your neighborhoods under Democrats notice. They didn't ask that question because that Goes right to not the Republicans benefit Bill, because there's a difference between Republicans and the America first coalition in my mind, because the Latino community didn't switch over to vote for Republicans. They voted over to. They switched over to vote for President Trump because he gave them something to vote for. But these questions are selectively asked to avoid all the questions that got President Trump swept him and, you know, on his coattails, the Republicans into power.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. Do you think the answers to the questions and I picked out the simplest ones are erroneous, are wrong? They're not legitimate answers.

[Chris Salcedo]

I would have a look at the samples and I'm not familiar with the polls. I, I don't know exactly how they asked or the methodology. I will say that in general, I think a lot of Americans are not happy about higher gas prices. That inflation report that you brought up today, nobody is happy about that. And of course, affordability is what President Trump ran on. But still, as bad as it is today because of what's been going on with the Iranian conflict, it still doesn't even come close to as bad as it got during the Biden regime. And, and frankly, we didn't see those polls coming out in mosque about.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Look, I'm not defending the pollsters at all. I'm trying to gauge whether the average working Hispanic voter is going to vote for the Republican Party and Donald Trump by extension, or sit it out. That's what I'm trying to assess here.

[Chris Salcedo]

Yeah. And I think that right now, with President Trump not on the ballot, I think the Republican Party, because of their lack of productivity, is going to be facing a lot of headwinds, not just because of the economic concerns around this country, but the Save America Act. You have the intransigence of the Republicans in Congress who. Bill, you've seen this dog and pony show for years. Oh, just give us the House and we'll make some change. We'll give them the House. That change doesn't come. Give us the House and the Senate and we'll make some change. Well, give us the House and the Senate and the presidency. We'll make some change. The current Republican Party has done nothing in the affirmative toward the America first agenda since last June. You can't win on something if you haven't done anything in a year to advance the America first agenda that millions of Latinos voted with 77 million Americans in total for that change. The Republican Party has no.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wouldn't the ICE crack down the border, shut down the Venezuelan situation in Cuba soon, soon to fall? Wouldn't all that come under the banner of America First?

[Chris Salcedo]

Oh, sure it would. And that's all courtesy of what President Trump has exclusive control over what he has been able to do in foreign policy. I, I think it will redound positively inside the Latino community. What he's done on immigration, there's no thanks to Congress. Heck, you had both political parties agreeing to defund ICE and Border Patrol for a time on the promise that it would be refunded. Eventually it got there through reconciliation. But we've endured a government that is dysfunctional and you have, I'm sorry, a Republican Party that seems to be going along with what have we had three shutdowns courtesy of the Democrats, which we were told was a cardinal sin. But I think that right now, the Republicans who are running for reelection without President Trump on the ballot, they don't have a lot to crow about because they haven't been fulfilling on their end of the bargain. The America first promises that President Trump ran and won.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right. Texas, your state. So Tellarico, the Democratic nominee for the Senate, kind of out there pretty far. And he's going to be going up against what's his name, the former Attorney General Paxton, who's very conservative. I haven't seen any polling about Hispanic American preference there. What's your thought on it?

[Chris Salcedo]

I have seen some non scientific polling that, that puts them, that puts them neck and neck here in the state of Texas. You know, some of the, the stats you were pointing out about a near 50% split in the Latino vote in 2024. I'd also like to point out that males went for majority, my males in the Latino community went majority for the America First Coalition in, in the, the last election. And I think you're seeing a lot of them based in Texas. So a lot of them will naturally gravitate toward the most conservative attorney general in the United States, Ken Paxton, who there's a lot of parallels between Mr. Paxton and, and Mr. Trump. They've been attacked by the establishment, they've been vilified by the establishment, wrongly so and falsely so. And Bill, you and I are both Catholics. And James Tallarico is a sacrilegious individual who does not have a value system that meets Catholicism, which a lot of Latinos are Catholics as well, doesn't meet that anywhere near the neighborhood, meet the criteria of Catholicism, much less Christianity writ large. James Talarico, once the campaign gets going in earnest, is going to be revealed for the left wing extremist that he has been and continues to be.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And you don't believe that Hispanics are going to go for the progressive programs.

[Chris Salcedo]

I don't believe they will because if you look at, and again the latest data, I have been, and I write about it extensively in the book the Rise of the Liberty Loving Latino. The counties that dotted right along the Texas Mexico border had been Democrat forever. Bill had been Democrat. And I had guys coming on my show who were Democrats saying we're begging and pleading the Biden regime. Please, please stop this, this influx, this massive illegal immigration influx. And they were given the proverbial hand by the Democrats. And those counties all flipped red in the last election and they are recovering now. And I think that it's going to redound positively for the more right leaning conservatives here in Texas in particular in that, in that Senate race.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But you think the race is neck and neck at this point?

[Chris Salcedo]

According to the polling, I don't trust it because the race just got be just begun because remember, it was corny and patched.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, sure. I mean we don't have a lot of data or debates.

[Chris Salcedo]

Exactly.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I spent some time in Star County, Rio Grande City, pretty intense place. But I agree with you that the Hispanic American workers that I know, and I know plenty of them because I live on Long island and that's 80% of the workforce, they're essentially conservative thinkers. They don't like this crazy communism stuff because that's what ruled and ruined Cuba, Venezuela and a whole bunch of others. Hey Chris, good luck with the book. We appreciate you coming on today.

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Okay, final thought. So I'm trying to book all kinds of people for this long form podcast. We'll do it live because it gets boring to just book people that you know what they're going to say. Right? You know what they're going to say. Why are we having them for 45 minutes? So the guy book was Anthony Scaramucci. This is the one that will drop on Thursday. And Scaramucci, you'll remember, was the shortest presidential spokesman in history. It was 12 days. He got bounced out of there. What deuce happened? How did he get bounced out of there? Why? We get into all of that and then Scaramucci turns against President Trump, becomes a critic, even though Scaramucci's belief system politics aligns with Trump's. So Johan Bkar responding. What's that all about? You and Trump are basically on the same page. Sorry about the cliche. And you're pounding them. Why? He's got some interesting answers. Scaramucci, roll the tape.

[Anthony Scaramucci]

I was not the Right guy for that job. And I told the president that. So you've been there.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You weren't right because you're not diplomatic enough.

[Anthony Scaramucci]

No, I wasn't right because I didn't understand Washington culture. You just. Washington culture, the way we treat each other. I'm more of a New Yorker. I said that I was a front stabber as opposed to a backstabber. I'm more of an upfront person. I was naive about the culture, if we're being brutally honest. But I also wasn't an experienced, calm person.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, we get into the D.C. culture and how they call it the game. All right? And Scaramucci had no idea about the game. Trump didn't for the first four years, for a term, he didn't know what the game was. They call it the swamp and all that. But it's true. It's true. There's a whole different ethical profile in Washington than where you live or I live. I mean, I'm in Manhattan right now, and the San Antonio spurs are two buildings down from me staying at the Ritz Carlton.

[Bernard Goldberg]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I saw Wemby get off the bus to go to lunch. But New Yorkers are totally different than DCers in a bunch of ways. And Scaramucci had no clue. None. And plus, he's a pretty emotional Italian guy. And it's a very interesting interview. It'll teach you a lot about what happens in D.C. behind the closed doors and what happens at Scaramucci and why he turned against President Trump. So we will drop that for Crimean and concierge members 12, noon Thursday. And everybody else can see it beginning at 6. And these long form things I told you yesterday are working pretty well for us. Every one of them has been, I'd say, successful, some more than others, of course, but people are learning a lot. Victor Davis Hansen is the last one today. If you want to see it, got to go in there today. It's on YouTube. YouTube. YouTube carries a long form. Thank you for watching and listening to the no Spin News.

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