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Bill O'Reilly
Welcome to the no Spin News Weekend Edition. So President Trump is in Europe right after that dopey world, whatever they do, smash each other, you know, at the White House, where my son demanded to go to see this right after that, it was his birthday yesterday. Trump's. He goes on a plane, he goes over to Europe. I mean, the guy's. Talk about the Energizer Bunny. Okay, so now he's in Europe, and before he left, he announced a deal with Iran, which is good if it holds. And every American go, yes, but that's not what's happening, of course. Is this a real thing? I talked to the president on his birthday, early in the middle of the night, as I usually do. He says it's a real thing. Okay? He's the president. I'm a loyal citizen. I'm just reporting. And that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. All right, so the deal, which has been on and off again since February, I guess, was signed electronically. Okay? We do not have the text of the deal, which is frustrating because the mullahs say one thing, President Trump says another thing. Okay? So everybody should be skeptical, not cynical skeptical. All right, so the formal signing of this deal supposed to be this coming Friday in Geneva, Switzerland. All right? We're ready to rock. Okay? And by that time, there will be a text of the deal, obviously, but we don't have it now. That's important. So apparently these are news reports, so you got to be very skeptical of them. Strait of Hormuz will immediately reopen US Will end blockade of Iranian ports, work out some kind of verification to see that the mullahs aren't working on nuclear bombs. Those are the big three things. Now, that verification isn't going to come instantly, and I believe there's money attached to that so if Iran allows weapons inspectors in, they're going to get some cash. But I could be wrong because that text again has not been released. But I think that's what's going on here almost immediately after the president made his announcement. And remember, this is a terrorist that you're dealing with. We all know that. Almost immediately, within five minutes, here's what CNN said. Go, let's take a hold a cold hard reality check here. It has taken 60 days plus plus since the cease fire came into existence the beginning of April to get to this point, to get to a point where two out of the mediators and one of the sides can say that there is an agreement. The other side seems to be slipping in that direction. Here's some cold reality. CNN doesn't want a deal. Did I hate Trump and this guy Roberts even around. But why bring that up? Yeah, the Muellers get back out and you can say that. But come on, that's not the first thing. That's not the headline. The headline is a deal. And Nick, your job is to find out what the deal is, not to cast aspersions on it within five minutes. Drives me nuts. Now this always happens because the Trump haters and the Democratic Party, which are pretty much one in the same now the last thing on earth they want is for Trump to emerge with a solid deal. That's the last thing they want. Now you can say that's un American. I believe it is. But it's also on planet earth. But it's happening. But the markets which are smarter than Nick Robertson and cnn, they're up. This is mid afternoon now. We're taping. So gas dropped more than 5% to $82 a barrel before the conflict with Iran was $67 a barrel. So that's a pretty big drop coming in the right direction. Stock market added 700 points by mid afternoon. So the markets are believing this, but they want to believe it. But they're on that side because that's your money. But in the Democratic Party there are some vicious, the most vicious guy I think is this guy Seth Moulton from Massachusetts. Here's what he says. Go. They're much closer to a bomb than they ever were under President Obama. And Trump started this war that he's losing and at the end of it, it doesn't sound like he's going to get even a semblance of a nuclear deal. And the deal to reopen the strait, which again was open, it was always open before he started this dumb war. Simply he's lying Moulton, he may be too dumb to know what the truth is. So they're most. Iran's much closer to a bomb than they were under President Obama. He forgot about a year ago when the USA and Israel went in and wiped out the main capacity to build a bomb. Apparently he forgot about that, didn't link it together. All right, and then we're losing the war. How can we be losing the war? How? In what way? We have 13 casualties. 13. And now Iran is. Is apparently doing what President Trump wants it to do, but we're losing. I mean, it's just. And the anchor person on ms, that's where that was. It sits there because A, she's not smart enough to know what's going on, and B, she gets paid to hate Trump. Okay, so the Democratic Party knows that if this kicks in the way Trump wants it to, that the midterms then slide back toward the Republican Party because the Democratic Party is so nuts, they're so crazy. And Americans, independent Americans don't want to vote for that party. Yes, independent Americans are angry. They had to pay more for gas. But if it turns out that there is verification of nukes, that commerce goes through the strait, then all of that disappears. All of that advantage. But here's an incredible mistake. So second in command, the House of Representatives is Hakeem Jefferies from New York. Okay, listen to this roll of tape. Do you agree if Democrats take back the House, will you move to impeach President Trump?
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Bud Cummins
We haven't ruled anything in or ruled anything out in terms of accountability. What we have said is that our focus is going to be to make life more affordable for the American people. We have to drive down the high cost of living. We have to restore the. The American dream, which a lot of people understandably have concluded is broken right now.
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Bill O'Reilly
So the guy won't say whether if the House and the Senate go Republican, go Democrat, particularly the House, that the impeachment circus starts again. You think most Americans want that? The Trump haters want it, but not most Americans? Colossal mistake. So summing up, Friday is the day I believe J.D. vance, the Vice President, will be on hand in Geneva to sign it. I don't know what's in it, but based on what the President said to me, he got what he wanted. And we'll obviously continue all this week telling you what we know. And that's the memo. You're listening to the no Spa News weekend edition. All right. Back home, the LA Times, radical left newspaper, soon to go out of business, in the print side writes a front page story that says any accusations that the LA vote was fraudulent are unfounded. Okay, how would you know? How would the LA Times know? Did the L A Times investigate already? No. Well, we don't. We, we like the outcome. So if you don't, if you challenge, it's unfounded. This is how corrupt the American press is. Now, there is a case out there just concluded. June 8th. This woman pled guilty. Her name is Brenda Lee Brown Armstrong. Apparently she went around giving money to indigents and providing some of them with her old home address so he could vote in a fraudulent manner. Now that's just one. Okay, that's one. And that's not widespread, which is what this fraud stuff is all about. But it could be. It could be. And the Justice Department is investigating. And today Governor Newsom said that he and his wife are under an investigation. Now, my opinion is that the legislature in Sacramento, California has stacked the deck so much in favor of the Democratic Party. It doesn't really need to cheat because it's bringing in all kinds of after the fact votes in sacs. It's crazy out there what they're doing under the law. But the first U.S. first assistant U.S. attorney Bill A. Sally is investigating aggressively. Not saying much, but he's investigating aggressively. Joining us now from Little Rock, Arkansas is Bud Cummins. Now, he was the first assistant U.S. attorney for the Central District of. I'm sorry, I don't know if the Central Southern District of Arkansas. Anyway, he was there for a while and wanted to get his point of view about these fraudulent charges. So we've been hearing it since 2020, primarily from President Trump, that the elections are rigged in the United States and California would be the poster child for that. On a validity scale, do you believe that?
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Bud Cummins
By my definition, they're definitely rigged. I don't think the President is wrong at all to suggest that they're rigged, but they're rigged by the California legislature, like you mentioned. The central problem, Bill, is that California's legalized much of the machinery that you and I remember as the old political machines used to control elections. When they did it, it was illegal. But now California has made all the steps that they had to fight their way through to steal an election legal. Those are the things we see. We see the slowness of the count, we see how many ballots, they mail ballots out to everybody. Now they let people go out and collect those ballots and there's no limit on how many one person can go out and collect to turn in. So by the time the Ballots are collected and then the votes are separated. There's no way to determine which votes are legal or not. And that's by design.
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Bill O'Reilly
Don't the local voting precincts check to see if these bundled ballots are legal?
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Bud Cummins
Yeah, but if you, if you give, if you permit me, let's go back and let's look at the history of how the votes have been stolen historically. Sometimes they went and stuff like, you know, the Pendergast, the Huey Longs, the, the Daily Machine. They would stuff fake votes in ballots, they would destroy ballots. But that's not, that was not their main expertise. Their main expertise was targeting, doing two things. They'd buy votes, sometimes with cash, sometimes with whiskey, sometimes with gifts, but oftentimes with patronage. They had the grants, they had the jobs, they had the government contracts, and that's how they went out and bought votes. But the second main area that we know that they did that they targeted, including a guy named Sheriff Marlon Hawkins, who wrote a book from, he was from Arkansas. He wrote a book called How I Stole Elections. So that's kind of a spoiler alert. But his, his. He was very good at going out and identifying people that they could persuade to vote for his candidate, getting them to fill out an application for an absentee ballot, getting the ballot and voting it for them. But that was a lot of work. And because of the safeguards in the system, it kept the numbers down a little bit. California has made every bit of this legal. They mail ballots out to everybody. You don't have to file an absentee ballot application. In Arkansas, even today, a person that goes out and collects absentee ballots can only collect two in any election. In California, you can collect 2,000.
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Bill O'Reilly
So it's unlimited. It's unlimited.
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Bud Cummins
So you can go to skid row, you can go to the welfare office, you can go to poor people who've been told that, you know, rich people hate them. You can go to people of color that have been told that they're victims of racism. And you can convince them, maybe by paying money, maybe just because they're sympathetic to your cause, to give you their ballot and let you vote it for them. Or they voted in your presence. You can carry as many. But once they're voted by the person who's registered and their signatures on it, there's no way for the people at the precinct to determine how that vote got voted and how it got into the envelope.
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Bill O'Reilly
So why is mailing a ballot to
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Bud Cummins
every single registered voter in California, where, by the way, voter registration requirements are almost nil so in California, your vote matters about as much as.
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Bill O'Reilly
And foreign nationals. Foreign nationals can vote too, right? If they have a phony Social Security card or an address or something like that, foreign nationals can vote in California. Nobody's going to hunt them down.
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Bud Cummins
According to my understanding, you don't even have to have a legitimate ID to register.
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Bill O'Reilly
So anybody can vote. It's a free fire zone. Now, what is the federal government looking at here? You know, the Justice Department saying, okay, we're going to go in, we're going to look at Newsom, his wife and all of this stuff, because the Constitution gives the individual states the power to regulate their vote. What do you think the Feds are looking at, honestly?
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Bud Cummins
I mean, they'll probably find that there's thousands of people on the street gathering ballots. Thousands, tens of thousands. Most of them are being paid by somebody. They're, they're, they're turning in thousands of ballots. None of that is illegal. You can be paid to do all that. You can't be paid per ballot. That's the only rule.
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Bill O'Reilly
But you can be hired as a bundler. You can be hired to do that.
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Bud Cummins
They may, they may want to track and see where that money's coming from. But again, it's funding legal activity. That's how California has intentionally made their laws. Where in Arkansas, when I was a United States Attorney, we would see if we saw a guy walking around the streets with 100 absentee ballots and a witness could tell us about it. We were already into a fraud, you know, voter fraud case because that's illegal in Arkansas, so.
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Bill O'Reilly
Right. But again, each state can do it
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Bud Cummins
in California, but it's not going to be illegal.
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Bill O'Reilly
But I'm not sure at this juncture whether the federal government is going to come up with, particularly because the party that controls the state and the media working together have already said it's unfounded. They've already said, no, we didn't do anything wrong. No, we're just following the letter of the law here. The legislator pass it, they have the right to do it under the Constitution. I'm not seeing the way in here for the Fed's last word.
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Bud Cummins
Well, I mean, they're playing word games. They're saying the President's accusations are unfounded, they're baseless. There is no evidence of fraud because the things that normal, honest people are complaining about are legal in California. It bothers me and it bothers you. And it would bother anybody that wants a legitimate outcome that these, they're sending out these millions of ballots that People are collecting them and gathering them, however they're gathering them through gifts and payments of cash or whatever. And that there's almost no way to enforce what little law they have out there because of the way that they've made, made all these processes.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yeah, there's no way in California, the
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Bud Cummins
California people did so well back in the day. It's legal now in California.
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Bill O'Reilly
Right. All right, Council, we really appreciate his helping us out. Thanks very much. If you learn anything about this, specifically, let us know where you are on it. That's for sure. That's why Pratt, who was the Republican in the Democratic primary, they, they call it the jungle primary. That's why he got knocked out, because he was winning. And then all of this other stuff said, because remember this internal polling and said, oh, we gotta get all of these votes against Pratt. Which they did. This is the no spin news Weekend Edition. Well, the Iran treaty, or whatever you want to call it, I'm not sure yet, heating up. And there's a lot of very unusual things taking place and we're going to point them out to you with laser like clarity. Okay? So as usual, we are not getting an honest perspective from the media. And it's not even close. Okay. They don't know. They don't care to know. If Trump did it, it's bad. And that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. So Friday in Bergenstock, Switzerland, I've actually been there. Little town close to Lucerne. Beautiful. There's going to be a signature deal taking place between the USA and Iran. What's important here is not just the deal, as President Trump would put it, but Israel is out and that could cause major trouble down the road. So Israel wants the ability to defend itself against Hamas and Hezbollah. If they send rockets in, Israel wants to shoot back. And so Netanyahu says, we're not going to sign on to this. The problem is once Israel shoots back, the Iranians may say, probably will say, oh, that blows the treaty up. You know, treaty doesn't matter anymore because Israel violated it or something. That's a key. Okay. Keep that in mind. And that's one of the reasons that the President didn't put free forth the text of the arrangement, because he's still working on Israel to try to get them on board. Did you hear that anywhere else? You did not. Okay. Obviously, you know, I have unique access to President Trump. I know what's going on here, and I'm not 100% behind this. What's the mission? This is a manhunt Killer Capture the critically acclaimed series the Agency is back streaming June 21st on Paramount.
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President Trump (voice clips)
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Bill O'Reilly
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Bud Cummins
Everything's all crazy.
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Bill O'Reilly
World's coming to an end. It's all in the Bible. And after every episode, hopefully you leave with a proper perspective and a biblical piece. Please join us wherever you listen to podcasts and we also have a YouTube page as well. YouTube.com politicsbyfaith I'm not. Because there are a lot of loopholes in this, but you're not getting close to the truth by the American media. So the president says he's going to hold a news conference and word by word, go over the deal. And I assume that will happen Thursday, Wednesday. He's coming back to the United States from Europe on Wednesday. He may want to have that press conference here, here, But I don't know for sure. All right. But he's promised that he'll have a press conference. He'll answer all the questions. The questions will all be contentious. They're not going to be informational. It's going to be, you said you did, you said you did. And how much of that President Trump's going to be able to take, I'm not sure. Okay. So on Iran, they're portraying this as a big win. That a moral go, we won this now as how they're selling it to the world, their own people as well. Okay, I got to see the text. I can't analyze this until I see what's in there. Right. So these morons and their dishonest charlatans yesterday that we're objecting to everything. They haven't seen it yet. Just appalling. Now, oil prices continue to drop, which President Trump needs for the midterm elections. Stock market continues to surge. We'll get to the stock market a little later on. I'm going to scold the people who are not participating in our capitalist society. So the scolding is coming up on this broadcast. So today, Tuesday, June 16th, the president is meeting and schmoozing with all the G7 leaders and others, and they've been very supportive of Mr. Trump, and it's easy to figure out why they did nothing. So in Europe, in countries in Asia, they get the benefit of anything that constrains the mullahs without doing a thing. We did it all like we always do. All right, let's run it down. So Great Britain is the number one ally for us, even though it's chaos. And before the president began meeting with Great Britain and France and the others, he wanted to put to bed some controversy. Roll that tape.
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President Trump (voice clips)
We have a deal. That's a fair deal. It's a good deal. We are not investing any money in Iran. By the way, that rumor got out there yesterday, it was ridiculous. We have the right to go in someday and do if I want to do something or somebody wants to do something, but we are not investing any money. We have no obligation to invest any money in Iran.
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Bill O'Reilly
All right, so that knocks out all the reporting from Monday night. If you watch it on television, you're wasting your time. But they're 300 million or this, they're that. Whatever. Okay, let's start with Starmer of Great Britain. Go. I want first to welcome the breakthrough reached last night between the U.S. and Iran. And I congratulate President Trump, the mediators from Pakistan and Qatar, and all those involved. This is a hugely significant moment. Okay. Remember, before the treaty was announced, the American media said it was no good, but there's Starmer, and Starmer's got his own intel service. Okay, Saying it's great. Great. Here's Macron of France. Go. I think yesterday was signed a very important agreement, a peace deal with Iran. And it's a very important one because first it will fix the nuclear issue. And it's a very important matter for peace for the whole world. That's a bit optimistic. The mullahs could violate this deal at any time, and there's a likelihood they will. Okay, then the chancellor of Germany, perhaps the NATO's weakest major country, said this. Frederick Mers, quote, I welcome the agreement with the US And Iran and congratulate President Trump and the Iranian side on this diplomatic breakthrough. This can pave the way towards a reinvigorated global economy and more secure Middle East. It is crucial to implement it with determination. Okay, Remember that Mertz was critical of the deal. He didn't want to help, and he didn't help. And here's a full screen that you read where all the governments got together in Europe, the G7 people and said this. We warmly welcome the announcement of the memorandum of understanding between the US And Iran. Congratulate the United States, the Iranian government and all involved, including Pakistan, Qatar and all other mediators on this diplomatic breakthrough. Okay, so it's across the board. Trump's a good guy. This is a smart deal in Europe, not in the American media. Roll that. But this time around, the one thing that both sides agree on is that the one and a half page memorandum of understanding does nothing to stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon.
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Guest/Correspondent
Okay, so you killed all of those
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Bill O'Reilly
40 leaders, but now the IRGC is in charge.
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Bud Cummins
Okay?
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Bill O'Reilly
So that's who we're dealing with.
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Bud Cummins
And that's who we're supposed to stand
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Bill O'Reilly
next to on Friday and sign an
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Bud Cummins
agreement that nobody's seen and already read. Except for this is the most transparent, transparent administration history.
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Bill O'Reilly
But we can't read it like, like I could make all of those points. Donald Trump now has a secret deal, he says to end the war in Iran. And that deal, if it exists, is apparently so humiliating to Donald Trump that he's keeping it secret. That's not why he's keeping it secret. He wants to get Israel on board and iron out some of the last minute tax in the deal. So you again, you're never going to get the truth from any of those people. Okay? They're not in business to tell you the truth. They're in business to tell you what their management tells them to say. Okay? Now last night I was on Leland vittered on NewsNation. Chris Cuomo came on before me and was harping on the same thing. Why can't I see the deal? Why can't I see the deal? Why can't I? It's a mantra. Why can't. Why, why, why, why, why, why, why? Here's what I told Vidar. Go.
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Guest/Correspondent
What is the fairest way to judge
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Bill O'Reilly
what the administration has put out and what the Iranians have said? You can't judge it now because you don't have the facts. So I don't know whether you saw our friend Chris Cuomo demanding to know 48 hours after the deal was announced by President Trump, what exactly is in it? Who would do that? Who would do that? Who would give critics of the deal and the opposition, the mullahs, five days to go dissemble the deal? What kind of a moron would do that? And I'm not calling Cuomo a moron. I'm just saying it doesn't matter if Friday is D Day. If Friday the deal is signed or not, then we'll all know, but it's not like we're voting on a referendum on this deal. All right. So I think I made my point pretty clear here that the way to negotiate a very complex situation is to be methodical. All right? And you don't give the enemy any quarter, okay? You don't give them a chance to nitpick or do whatever they might do. And that's the memo. You're listening to the no Spa News Weekend Edition. So Vice President Vance is the appointment on the signing on Friday. He went on CBS MORNING and here's what happened. Walk through some of this. The Iranians are saying that they're going to have access to a $300 billion reconstruction fund. True or false? Well, Ed, that's the sort of thing they could have access to funded by the Gulf Coast Coalition.
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Bud Cummins
So so long as they honor their
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Bill O'Reilly
end of the obligation. I think that one of the things you're going to see, Ed, and people
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Guest/Correspondent
have to be skeptical of this, is
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Bill O'Reilly
that the hardliners in the Iranian system will overemphasize the benefits that Iran gets while underemphasizing all the things that they have to concede and all the things they have to provide in order to get these benefits. The key sentence there is the Gulf Coast Coalition, okay? So I'm not naive. They're going to up the trade level with Iran and Iran will benefit financially from that. Okay? One of the things is we're trying to buy them. There's no doubt about it. We're trying to buy them. But as long as my tax dollars don't go to the mullahs to kill people and the ghost the Gulf Coast Coalition picks up tab doesn't matter to me. Okay? Now you are rewarding bad behavior somewhat, but remember, according to President Trump, now Iranians are going to have to do a whole bunch of things to get any cash whatsoever. Joining us now from Floyd, Virginia, is Dr. Bruce Jennelson. He's a political science professor at Duke University in North Carolina. All right, Doctor, you're smarter than I am. They wouldn't even accept me on a PhD level. Where am I making mistakes?
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Well, I think you're pretty smart, Bill, but don't worry about that. You know, what you're saying about the Europeans at the at the summit was classic diplomatic niceness. If you really want to know what those European leaders think, it's kind of like Republican senators. You know, what they say in public and what they say in the cloakroom. If you listen to Thom Tillis, Bill Cassidy John Cornyn. Now you know what they really think about Donald Trump, and it ain't pretty. It's the same with the Europeans. What they were saying there about greater security in the region and the global economy was, yeah, if you stop this war, you know, we will no longer have the problems that you, along with the Iranians, but you also helped create for us and for the rest of the world. So, you know, just to take it on surface value, you know, it's like being nice at a toast, but not really what people think.
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Bill O'Reilly
So you're. You're not believing the sincerity of our allies in NATO. You don't think that they know that Iran is a terrorist state and has caused trouble for, what, almost 50 years now since the Shah got booted? You don't think that they're happy that Iran maybe downgraded a bit?
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
No, they know very well that it's a terrorist state. In fact, more Iranian terrorism has happened in Europe than even in our own country. What they also know is that this war that President Trump started on February 28th has made the Iranian threat and problem worse, not better. And it's not a question of not seeing the threat. They disagree with the way he did it. You know, right now, Iran has a weapon that it didn't have in February 27, and that's the Straits of Hormuz. You know, they never before tried to close it. You know, if we open it now, which is, as you said, the one piece that we've said. We know that. And ending the American naval blockade, Iran now has that as a weapon. And that's a problem for everybody that uses oil anywhere in the world. So they know darn well what the threat is. But fundamentally, this is making it worse.
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Bill O'Reilly
If the Iranians continue misbehaving in Hormuz, they don't get any money.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Well, they've been getting money elsewhere. They've been sending their oil out.
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Bill O'Reilly
But come on, doctor, it's 80% inflation in the country, and their economy is going down a drain, which is one of the reasons they had to come to the table.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
No, it's not. You know, they were ready to negotiate. On February 27, they sent a proposal to Washington with the foreign minister that's been validated by the Trump administration, in which they said, we're prepared to offer a deal on the nuclear issue to give President Trump more than President Obama got. And we all know that that's a big deal for Donald Trump to say he's better than any other president. What do we do? We started bombing that night because we weren't interested in the diplomacy. We were interested in the bravado and supposedly bringing about regime change in ending this. And much of the opposite has happened.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay? But they had an opportunity, they being Israel and the United States, to decapitate the leadership of Iran, which is, you know, you can't trust them, as you point out, in one swoop, which happened. And then the. The hope was that would be enough to spur the Persian people to overthrow whatever was left, which didn't happen. So I'm not sure that it was a naive or benevolent, malevolent philosophy to try to take those people out. But anyway, let's move ahead. So what you said is you don't believe the sincerity of the NATO people. You think they're just playing Trump, just telling them what he wants to hear?
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
No, you know, I'm telling you is they're very sincere about their commitment to NATO, and they'd love to see a commitment by us to that. What they're doing in a diplomatic setting is what we all do. You sometimes say polite things, so don't draw the conclusion, oh, he said that the NATO allies aren't sincere. They're doing what you need to do in a diplomatic setting to try to not make the problem worse. But fundamentally, this is a war that was imposed upon them. And it's not just that they wanted us to do it. They knew it was a bad idea, a bad policy, and they couldn't stop President Trump. Nobody could stop President Trump.
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Bill O'Reilly
If it turns out in. When we see the text of the deal, that weapons inspectors, which is the key to this whole thing, are allowed to go in and monitor uranium buildup, will you change your opinion?
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
That's where we were in 2015, Bill. That's what the Obama deal was, okay?
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Bill O'Reilly
There weren't any weapons inspectors there. Doctor, I had the guys from Austria on this program, and they had not been to Iran in six or seven years because the mullahs wouldn't let them in.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
So after 2015, I'm going to differ with you. I didn't see your program. But when he got out of the deal in 2018, not Netanyahu, the prime minister, but many of the top Israeli intelligence and military officials who know said the deal ain't perfect, but it's better than getting out of it. Okay? So that was Israelis, not just Democrats or others, saying that the deal was worth building on and improving, but not thrown overboard, and then having the Iranians build up without inspectors for all those years because there was no deal, because
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Bill O'Reilly
we pulled out, but they were building up. That's why we bombed Natanz about a year ago. And by all measures, the nuclear program from Iran was damaged, according to Mossad, according to CIA, according to everybody. But if you can produce one weapons inspector who has gone in to look at uranium in the last seven years, I'll come to Duke and I'll do whatever you want. But you can't, because there were no weapons inspectors allowed in, and that was part of the Obama deal. Now, I understand a Democratic Party, and I'm not accusing you of being a Democrat or a Republican. I know that's the narrative that Mrs. Trump's war. We didn't have to start it because the Obama deal was just as good. Nobody can produce one weapons inspector, not one on this earth that was allowed in there to look at the uranium.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Yeah, and you just said in the last seven years. That dates to when Trump pulled out. And we were out of the deal before he pulled out. The weapons inspectors were going in. Okay, so that speaks to the point where he made the problem worse rather than better.
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Bill O'Reilly
But even during the Obama administration, they were violating the weapons inspectors mandate, according to the weapons inspectors, who are based in Austria, that it was a haphazard situation and they weren't getting what they needed to get. As far as what Iran was doing, enhancing the uranium, I haven't heard anybody say that Iran was acting in good faith to uphold the Obama deal. I heard anybody say that. All I've heard is politics. And it's a classic war of legacies is what it is. Just looking at it from a historical point of view. But I'm looking for a weapons inspector, and I'll go back until, you know.
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Guest/Correspondent
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Bill O'Reilly
You could hire the guy your neighbor
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Guest/Correspondent
recommended, but I'm pretty sure that's just his cousin. Do we know if he's licensed or
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Bill O'Reilly
does he just own a ladder? Listen to your home go with thumbtack. Upload a photo or voice note, and we'll diagnose your project and match you with the right pro for the job. Thumbtack, we know homes hire the right pro. Today, every major story has a version the news gives you and then a version that's actually true. If you're a critical thinker, if you're somebody who's not tribal, if you're somebody who just wants the facts so you can make your own decisions, Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels is the show for you. Subscribe now, wherever you get your podcasts. Obama left office. We can't find any and we've been looking. Last word.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Well, I'll tell you what, you know, go back, go talk to look at quotes from Moshe Ya Alon, the former Israeli Defense Forum is Gotti Eisenkot, the chief of staff, Ami Ahilon, the former head of the Mossad and the Shin Bet. They were saying this at 2018, that it was working pretty well. Okay, so, you know, there were inspectors. Why would the Israelis say that it was working pretty well if they of all people were the most concerned about the Iranian deal? So that's.
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Bill O'Reilly
Why would the Netanyahu government argue with them? Because it was clear that Benjamin Netanyahu said they're within six weeks of developing a nuke weapon. That's what he said. He's a leader to the government. Why would he contradict his own guys?
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
He's done that time and again. His whole politics were based on pumping up the Iranian threat to distract from everything else that he was doing. And his military intelligence officials, who genuinely cared about Israeli national security, not about Bibi Netanyahu's politics, were the ones saying, you know, it's working. It's not perfect, it's working. Use your credibility, Mr. Trump, to, to improve it and build on it rather than throwing it out just because you don't like Barack Obama.
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Bill O'Reilly
Would you concede there is a division of opinion on that item inside Israel?
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Very much so. That's why I quote the intelligence.
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Bill O'Reilly
All right, he goes out, you know, there's a whole crew that says, no, these people had the capacity in six. I don't believe the six weeks thing, but fairly soon that they could get a nuke up and running and then hand it off to somebody. Very good discussion. Doctor, we really appreciate you taking the time. And if you can find any of these weapons inspectors from Obama on, I would very, very anxious to talk to them. We appreciate it. This is the no Spin News weekend edition. Obviously, big news day. And it was so annoying because I had so much stuff beginning at 7:30
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President Trump (voice clips)
in the morning
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Bill O'Reilly
and I'm whining now. I mean, I'm well paid for what I do, but it just was so intrusive. So I'm trying to lock in on what's going to happen. And then Trump's press conference was originally scheduled for 9:30. I think he got there about 11:20. So we're sitting around and going, oh, when is it going to stop? I got to go into the crazy city from Long island, which can take three days, the traffic here. But anyway, we have the best, and I mean that literally, coverage of this Iranian situation that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. Always good to watch this broadcast with a pen and paper. And you're going to hear things that contradict the other news agencies. Trust us, we will back everything up. So President Trump, as you may know, is in France for the G7 meeting, but everybody's there. And the French and the Europeans and the Asians and the Japanese are all very happy about the secession of hostilities between Iran, USA and Israel. And they won and did nothing, nothing to help the United States and Israel tamp down the threat from this terrorist state, Iran, zero. So they get the benefit of all of our tax money and we'll get into that. Europe gets free ride, free riders again. So why wouldn't you be happy? And they're all clapping for Trump and they like him now. Okay, gone is Greenland. All right, so the president opens with what exactly the deal is with Iran. Go.
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President Trump (voice clips)
And it's a memorandum of understanding. If it doesn't get done in 60 days, that's all right. We go back to bombing. You know, I don't want to do that because it's so good, but we might have to because we're never going to let them have a nuclear weapon.
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Bill O'Reilly
So that was a headline today, that the Iranian pursuit of a nuclear weapon is dead. It's not dead, but it's badly, badly damaged. Now, people believe what they want to believe. The Democratic Party is going to tell you that President Obama had the Iranians locked down, that there was no threat. All right? I mean, it's a useless debate. It's useless. So we assume, and I hope I'm right, because I don't want to mislead you, that Iran did ramp up its uranium enrichment and was a threat. We assume that is true. The Trump haters and his opposition will never believe that you could take them down a mine and not going to believe. Now, that was a justification for the conflict along with a few other things. But that was the big one. Okay? And the president addressed it. Go.
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President Trump (voice clips)
Importantly, Iran has agreed that they will neither produce nor procure a nuclear weapon. Neither produce, because originally they said they talk about that they will not develop a nuclear weapon. And some people found it. Okay. These guys didn't, in all fairness. But some people. But I didn't like it, said it won't develop. I said, what happens if they should buy? I don't know. It's pretty very dangerous. For somebody to sell, because whoever sells them a nuclear weapon will get nuked themselves. If they sold a nuclear weapon, only a few that could do it, they would be nuked. They wouldn't have that country long. So it's a very dangerous thing for somebody to do. But I wanted it in there. So it's develop, procure, buy anything. And you'll see that when you see the agreement. But it's appropriate that we release the agreement. And we did send a copy to Israel, by the way.
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Bill O'Reilly
All right, so the agreement is around now, and the media has. It is supposed to be signed on Friday. Okay. Then the money question. A lot of Americans that are outraged that we are buying, pretty much buying Iran's cooperation. Again, it's a terrorist state. Here's what the President said about that.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Go.
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President Trump (voice clips)
So we don't give them money. We don't give them any of that. And what happens is, with time, if they behave, if they be a citizen of the world, a reasonable citizen of
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Bill O'Reilly
the world, and the President defined it further, that they're going to unfreeze Iranian money, which is held all around the world in banks. And that was frozen because of economic sanctions against Iran violations. I mean, there's just endless violations in the UN and other countries said, enough. And we're going to freeze the money so that money will be released. Okay. And then there will be money coming from the Gulf states when they make deals with Iran. Now, I don't know what the deals are. President Trump is a little foggy on this, but he believes that Iran then, with all its oil exporting, will make up a lot of money. The number bantered around is 300 million. But he says flat out, we, the United States taxpayer, are not paying Iran. Obviously, I hope that's true. Okay. Then he talks about this is a legacy thing. I reported this yesterday. Trump's legacy versus Obama's legacy. And again, the Democrats are never in a million years going to say the Obama nuke deal with Iran was a bad deal. They are never. And Trump's never going to say there was anything good about the deal. So forget it. It's a waste of time. But as an extension of that, President Trump said this go.
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President Trump (voice clips)
And Iran got stronger and tougher. If we didn't blow them up the first time and then blow out those weapons, they would have been unstoppable.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay. He's talking about the bombing last June, a year from now, a year ago, I should say that downgraded not only the uranium, but also ballistic missiles and across the board. Now we could confirm the ballistic missiles and the other ordinance, military ordinance, a lot of it was destroyed. You could confirm that from space, but enrichment of uranium can't. So the President says, yeah, we downgraded it. I would say most weapons, people believe that, certainly ones we have talked to, the ones in Austria, but you can't prove it 100%. So if Iran doesn't live up and you hear this all the time, cliches abound. Well, you can't trust them. They kill this, they that. They lie. Oh, that's true. But Trump says he has a very simple solution to any deceit. Go.
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President Trump (voice clips)
We will bomb them. They will be bombed, just like I bombed them on Wednesday night and Tuesday night and was going to bomb them on Thursday night at a level that was three times greater. And they knew that. I will bomb them. Now, that's with me as president. If you have a weak, pathetic president, maybe that doesn't happen. But I can only do the job that I have to do. I have a long time to go. I have almost three years. Close to three years. It's time is going fast.
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Bill O'Reilly
Now, I know that President Trump doesn't want to bomb them, okay? It costs an enormous amount of money to do that. And he doesn't want dead bodies, civilians all over the place. And I know that because I talked to him about it eye to eye, man to man, one on one. Okay? So I'm a primary source here.
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President Trump (voice clips)
And
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Bill O'Reilly
so far, according to Pentagon, we have spent $30 billion on the Iranian conflict. 30 billion. A lot of money. Spain didn't kick in anything, as I mentioned.
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President Trump (voice clips)
All right?
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Bill O'Reilly
So I wish you guys were all here if you have any other questions. The other thing that wasn'tthat the President really didn't address, okay, And I was disappointed that he didn't, is that we didn't get the weapons inspectors. He didn't get that. What about Hormuz? So Hormuz is open now, and the Iranians are shipping oil out of there through tankers and every other country shipping in and out. So it's open. But. But who controls it? Who controls that body of water? That was apparently, that's not in any memorandum or any treaty or anything. It's pretty important. Is it a line important? Did we go to war to open the Strait of Hormuz? No, but because the Iranians were effective in intimidating the insurance companies that spend enormous amount of money on the tankers, insuring the tankers. A lot of tankers didn't move in there. It wasn't that Iran had All this ordinance that they were throwing, it's just a threat of it. And that paralyzed a lot of oil sales. And then Herbert Hoover made an appearance in the president's speech going, trump said, I don't want to be Herbert Hoover and preside over a worldwide depression. And that was Iran's big weapon, that they would create so much chaos in the shipping of oil that the world would go into a recession or depression. And Herbert Hoover, and, you know, I was complimented because Donald Trump read my book Confronting the Presidents, and we went into the Hoover thing big time. And he knows that now. Did he use that off my book? I can't say, but I know he read it. Okay, so there. Let me just recap. There's a lot going on here. So Trump believes that he's got the Iranians receding from the uranium enrichment nuke weapons. He believes that if they don't or go back, he's going to destroy the country militarily. Going to destroy them militarily. So he said, I have an assurance, because we wreaked so much damage on them, we'll do it five times as much. Hormuz is still undefined. We just don't know what that's going to be. I don't suspect it's going to be a major problem because, again, money drives this, money is driving this. And the Gulf states, and he mentioned all of them, Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Emirates and all that, they're going to make deals with Iran, financial deal. Everybody's going to be in the Iran business for a while. And Trump knows that. And that was part of the equation to the mullahs. You know, you want to rebuild your country, this is a way to do it, because we've destroyed your country. All right, now, dissent, and it's the usual suspects, and I'm kind of wasting your time playing this stuff, but I think you need to know, and I'm not going to play a lot of it, that the dissent against Trump will never stop, no matter what he does. And he brought it up today in the press. He goes, no matter what I do, it's going to be terrible. So the first one was NBC in the form of Ms. Go.
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Guest/Correspondent
He's complaining about how much dropping American bombs cost. $250 million.
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Bill O'Reilly
And bombing for another two to three
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Guest/Correspondent
months wouldn't make a difference. That's an incredible signal to the Iranians, the Chinese, the Russians, that President Trump has no stomach, you know, for military conflict. It's amazing.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yeah. So now the most dovish network in the history of network news wants more military conflict. All right, and their number is wrong. The 250 million is wrong according to the Pentagon. All right, the second one comes in cnn, another reliable liberal Democrat source. This is from a guy named Ian Bremmer who runs a foreign policy operation. So we, unlike the others, identify who we're using on the air. And Bremer's a liberal. Okay, CNN would never tell you that, but they couldn't wait to book Murphy in Connecticut. Every bomb thrower in the world that hates Trump, CNN is just lining him up. Okay, here's what Bremer said. Go. Not a single one. Not the ballistic missiles, not the nuclear file, not the support for terror or
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Bud Cummins
for proxies in the region.
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Bill O'Reilly
Not choosing the next supreme leader, not rescuing the Iranian people. There was not a single war goal that the Americans decided that this was why they had to go and decapitate the Iranian regime. That is being resolved by this agreement.
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Guest/Correspondent
Not one.
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, that's simply not true. All right, you got a framework where that says this country is not going to pursue a nuclear weapon. You got in writing. So either Bremer doesn't know what he's talking about or doesn't care to tell the truth. And the second one is that because Iran is so bellicose and so aggressive that Israel in particular wanted to downgrade their missile program, which happened. That happened. And you know, that their leader was killed. And you know, so I mean, guys like that, these are just say anything. They're not fact based guys. All right, one guy who is a fact based guy is Jerry Baker and he's a columnist for the Wall Street Journal. Here's how he sees it. Go. We keep seeing very good numbers on jobs. Inflation has gone up a bit, but will come down again. The underlying performance of the US Economy is really very robust. And that's why, again, whatever one thinks of the security aspects of this, getting the world economy back to some sort of an even keel and stability is going to be good for the. There you go, Jerry. All about money. And it is. And so it's the usual stuff. Now when I was watching President Trump, I watched the whole thing. I thought it was pretty good. I would have liked to have heard more specificity, particularly on how you're going to be monitoring. You know, he said, well, we got the space stuff and we got eyes on the gates in the nuclear, but three miles down on the ground you don't. I would have liked to hear more about that. And then Hormuz, I still don't know what's going on there? I don't expect that to be big, as I said. And the final thing is Israel got screwed in this deal. Israel gets nothing out of this deal at all. And President Trump wants to constrain them. You know, his words were, look, every time they kill a Jewish person and he's talking to Bibi Netanyahu, you don't have to blow up five buildings, okay? And Israel got nothing out of this at all. It cannot be happy tonight. MOU memorandum of understanding. So this is what happens in a negotiation. All right. And then the formality is on Friday, as I mentioned, in Geneva, Switzerland, I believe Vance is going to be there, not Trump. Trump's getting out of Europe as quick as he can after he has dinner with Macron tonight. But I could be wrong about that. Maybe Trump will stay around. He said he might stay around. I can't see it. He wants to play golf over the weekend. And I'm not saying that in a derisional way, but that's what he wants to do. You're listening to the no Spa News Weekend Edition. I think you're up to date again. I wish you were all in this room so we could kick it around, but I got a guy who's pretty smart on this stuff. His name is James Robbins. He is a Ph.D. dean of the Institute of World Politics out of Reston, Virginia. He also writes a column for USA Today, and he joins us now from D.C. am I making any mistakes, doctor?
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Guest/Correspondent
Not at all, Bill. I think you have it pretty much right where it should be. This is not the final deal. This is just the MOU. It's just the framework for the 60 days of negotiations. So those people who are complaining about how it didn't contain everything in the kitchen sink really don't understand how this is only phase one of the process.
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Bill O'Reilly
But if it doesn't happen on Friday, then the president takes a hit because his words were defining what this memorandum was. So you would assume that what he said is what's going to happen?
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Guest/Correspondent
Oh, absolutely. The only way that wouldn't happen is if the Iranians decided to start to play tricks like they recently did with respect to the ceasefire in Lebanon, where they unilaterally added that, oh, by the way, all the Israeli forces have to leave Lebanon, right? That's part of the ceasefire. So that was, that was Iran moving the goalposts. And it's possible that they could try to do something like that and say, you know, unless you do this, there's no deal. But I also know from President Trump's book that part of the art of the deal is the ability to walk away from the table. So I think the Iranians shouldn't play chicken with the president. They should just get it done on Friday.
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, it should, but who knows? But Trump will hit them militarily if they pull anything like that. It'll hit them hard. Now there's a 60 day window for further specificity on the nukes. So they got 60 days. I don't expect anything to happen in the 60. And they'll probably do another 60. And all of that because President Trump knows that's his vulnerability. No, weapons inspectors can't be 100% sure that they're upholding the deal. And then Iranians may try to get as much money as they can and then do whatever they do. So I didn't say that in my talking points memo, but that 60 days, that's a little fraught, too. I mean, they could be pulling a lot of tricks. But you know what struck me, and I'd like to get your opinion on this. Trump uses speech to praise China. He said that China could have helped Iran and didn't with Stinger missiles and other things, and he went out of his way. He even gave Putin a little shout out, which Putin doesn't deserve, but she did. She could have caused an amazing amount of trouble there by arming Iran against the USA and Israel. So Trump used this speech for a lot more than just a memorandum. You agree with that?
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Guest/Correspondent
Yeah, I do agree with that. And if you look at the mou, the final point says that it will be secured whatever comes out of the 60 days. And I agree with you, it's not going to be 60 days, it's going to probably take a lot longer. But whatever comes out of that process has to be confirmed by the UN Security Council. And essentially that gives China and Russia a veto over whatever comes out of this process if they choose to veto. So the fact that the President went out of his way to praise China and give a little nod to Russia, I think is looking forward to the fact that at the end of the day, those two countries are going to have to vote for whatever comes out of this process.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yeah, I mean, that's a symbolic vote because Trump's going to do what he wants. So if he sees that the mullahs are violating or aren't doing what they said they were going to do to him, he'll hit him militarily and the UN's not going to stop him. The other thing about this that's fascinating is that Donald Trump didn't mention the midterms, but it was all over the place and that he feels that he has to get the prices for consumers here in America down and down fast or that he's going to lose power. Did you read it that way?
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Guest/Correspondent
Yes. And I think this is another reason why the 60 day timeline isn't the real timeline, because I have serious doubts that if this whole thing flamed out that we would be going back to open war in the middle of August with the midterms coming up in October. I mean, there would be no chance to reset at that point.
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President Trump (voice clips)
Yeah.
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Bill O'Reilly
So that's why there's another 60 behind the first 60. It's 60 days, it's renewable. But what's on the president's mind is not just international, it's hey, I got to get momentum back here in the United States. And I think that was a paramount point and the president kind of avoided that a little bit. But behind the scenes, I know that was big. Last word.
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Guest/Correspondent
Well, you're right. Politics is a reality. I mean, there's the international dimension, but there's also the domestic. And I think the Republicans, even though people are writing the obituary for the Republican Congress, I don't think that's true. I think the Republicans have a chance to retain everything and President Trump wants to see that happen. So getting off the dance floor is important to him.
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Bill O'Reilly
The legacy is the most important to him. And the polling is already tightening up, according to cnn, which I mentioned. And then the Democratic Party don't have a lot of response other than Obama's deal was better. Just an aside, do you think Obama's deal was better than do you think it constrained Iran from developing a nuclear weapon?
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Guest/Correspondent
No, the Obama deal was terrible. It didn't constrain them from anything. It gave them all kinds of unlimited money which they then used to fund their terrorist proxies. And ultimately it sunsetted and basically gave Iran a timeline for developing a nuclear weapon. So I think the president's critique of the JCPOA was right on target. It's too soon, though, to compare this to the jcpoa, because again, this is just the mou. It's the framework for the negotiations.
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Bill O'Reilly
Nobody knows if it's going to go down, although I think it will in the short term. But if another US President is elected, that Trump pointed that out, that's weak. Then mullahs will run wild again. Hey, Doctor, thank you very much. We appreciate it. Nice to have you on the program. This is the no Spin News Weekend Edition final thought of the day. You know, there is a Christian record list on the Christian music industry. So number one in the Christian music industry is a song called Blessed by Bo Davidson. Roll it. What is courage? What is honor? All these words are just ideals long forgotten. What is duty? What is glory? Are they just written down? Some of the My fondest memory of World War II was a day when victory was declared over the Axis. A good American cannot live without freedom. It's worth fighting for. When we hear a word like freedom, do we know what it really means? All right. So that's a big, big hit. And you can find it on Real America's Voice. And you might want to check it out. You know, it's a patriotic display. Fourth of July. Good, Tom. Right again. Bo Davidson song is blessed. Thank you very much for watching the no Spin News and Bill O'Reilly. We got lots of stuff over the weekend. Just keep checking in with me. Ilorillys the tweet, I guess they don't tweet anymore. Whatever it is, I don't know. And then billorily.com and all of that.
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Dr. Bruce Jennelson
Okay.
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Bill O'Reilly
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