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Welcome to the no Spin News weekend edition.
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I stay out of the social media world. It frightens me. I don't really have time, but there are now thousands of podcasts and people who are bloviated. Some of it's worthy and some of it isn't. But do I want to spend the time sorting it all out? I don't really have the time. I got to cover the news every day. That means I have to verify stories, I have to advance stories. I have to find out what's true. I have to find out what isn't true. It takes a lot of time to do that. I can't be sitting on a podcast for an hour and a half. But I know that, that millions of Americans love the social media, podcast, commentary, analysis, conspiracy world. They love it. You can't get enough of it. I'm going to run down a few people that you probably know and we're not doing this with any kind of malice. Yeah, we don't do that here. More of a fact based situation. And I'll be very curious to know what you think of our analysis. So, first one is Candace Owens, 36 years old, born in White Plains, New York. Grew up in Stamford, Connecticut. Nice town, went to the University of Rhode island, but did not graduate. Okay. She is being sued by Macron, the president of France and his wife, because she said, bridget Macron is really a man. Roll the tape.
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And 1000% she was born a man. Lived as a man for 30 years, you know, and then transitioned at some time. In the 80s.
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But are you worried about getting in.
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Trouble for slander by saying that I have welcomed the lawsuit. I mean, Emmanuel Macron sent me a threat before we published and we went back.
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So Brigitte, you're saying is a male.
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Biological belief was a male or is a male? Well, you can't really change those things in my world. But lives as, lives as a woman, clearly.
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Okay, so I heard that story. I, I knew she was going to get sued. And she has. So Democrats have filed against her in the state of Delaware. I think they did that because Candace Owens probably has a corporation registered in Delaware. That's. A lot of people do, but I'm not sure about that. But the case is active. It's a civil lawsuit. Okay. And it'll play out. Take years. And it's expensive because someone's allowed to hire an attorney, I would assume. But now she says that the McCrones are plotting to kill her. That's not good. And that the guy accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk trained with the French Legion 13th Brigade. Are you the French Foreign Legion guy or. I don't know. Now, I've never met. As I said, Ms. Owens, I have no feeling personally one way or the other. I don't believe that Brigitte Macron is a man. I think that's going to be fairly easy to prove that she's a woman. And I don't believe that Charlie Kirk was being stalked by French legionnaires. But that's me. Okay. Under the First Amendment, gan is only to say what she wants. Nobody can shut her down. But the individual companies that carry her commentary, they can. But she can be sued. And she is. All right. That's number one. I'm kind of agnostic. I mean, I don't, I don't really know what her end game is. I don't think that she has a lot of influence over people's lives. But I could be wrong again. I'm not in that world. Next guy is Nick Fuentes. He's 27 years old, Chicago suburb raised. He's been accused of being a white supremacist. He says he's not. And he made a lot of news or got a lot of attention by saying the Holocaust is exaggerated roll of tape.
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There's Holocaust museums everywhere. They're popping up all the time. And the Holocaust is by law required to be a part of the curriculum. And they go into like a fourth grade classroom and, and they show eight year olds, nine year olds obscene graphic pictures of like emaciated corpses and all this Stuff. In the last 40 years, there have been hundreds of films made about the Holocaust in Hollywood. What is the intended effect of all of this? I think it's meant to engender in people a profound sympathy for Jews. And it's supposed to say, you know, if we criticize Jews, it could lead to a Holocaust.
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Okay, so that's kind of irresponsible. The Holocaust is a historical fact. Six million Jews were targeted and murdered in grisly ways. Should be taught in every school because it can't happen again. Doesn't matter whether it's Jews or Irish or Lebanese. It doesn't matter. We can't have governments wiping out individual races. So number one, Mr. Fuentes doesn't really understand history. And that's why I never really took him seriously in any way. Because you can make up your own history, right? You can deny anything you want. He looks like he has anatomist toward Jews. Maybe he doesn't. I never met him. Young guy. I wouldn't put him on my program because why am I going to give people that kind of a forum? You know, if you don't feel sorry, the innocent people murdered by the Germans In World War II, not just Jews, but millions of people all over the place, then there's something wrong with you. But the Jews got it the worst. And that's why Israel exists, because they had to have someplace to go. And President Truman knew that. So he, this guy, that's a real fringe play there, all right? And he got a lot of attraction, he got a lot of traction. I think he had lunch with President Trump and stuff like that. So Megyn Kelly, my old colleague at Fox News, very popular, very good broadcaster, I don't think there's any question about that. Skilled out on her own now, she makes a living doing analysis on a whole bunch of places and she's always in social media and she's very controversial. So the latest thing was her analysis of Jeffrey Epstein. Go.
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And this person has told me from the start, years and years ago, that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile. This is this person's view who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like he liked 15 year old girls. And I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this, I'm just giving you facts that he wasn't into like 8 year olds, but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a Passerby. And that is what I believed and that was what I reliably was told for many years.
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So she got a lot of heat from that. Ms. Kelly did. But my question would be, why bother with that? So Megyn Kelly's a lawyer. I mean, she's a smart woman, she knows the business, good interviewer, can get some answers to difficult questions. So I with that, with that skill set, why do you want to do that? I mean, it's not germane anything. Jeffrey Epstein got what he deserved. He should have gotten a lot sooner. Didn't deserve to be on a planet. All right, so right now he's enjoying hell with the people on the COVID of my book, Confronting evil Mao and the Ayatollah Adolf and soon to be Putin. That's where Jeffrey Epstein is. So why are we trying to define what his proclivities were? I don't. I didn't get the end game to that. So when you're a broadcaster and you get into controversial areas and anything with Epstein is controversial, got to be a reason or there's got to be. You want to advance the story. This is just. Well, somebody told me this and I for what I to me is like, why bother with this? So that's what happened there. Laura Loomer, all right, she is 32, Tucson, Arizona, has a rapport with President Trump. No doubt about that. And here's one of her latest. Go.
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We need to stop talking about big tech social media censorship as solely a free speech issue.
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The act of de platforming and de.
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Banking and depriving mostly white Christian conservative Americans. I'm not a Christian. I'm Jewish. Right. But I consider myself to be a white advocate.
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A white advocate. Okay. Why are we breaking color lines down? I don't think white people need an advocate where the majority. We hold the power, always have. Why do we want to be in that kind of a divisive playing field again? What. What's the point? I don't know. Is that advancing anything? Making country better? And I say the same thing to the black advocates. If it's all about skin color, you're not helping a country. Okay. Should be. We're all in together. Finally, Lara Logan, who I do know. All right, so I know miss Kelly and I know Lara Logan, and Lara Logan was an unbelievably skilled reporter. She was CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent, pointed that in 2006, let's face it, the US economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets, and meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver. Theroux the only dealer I trust American Hartford Gold and you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax advantage Gold Iraq. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free. With billions in precious metals delivered, thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text bill to 998-899. Again that's 866-326-5576, or text bill to 998-899. Have you heard about Gold Belly? It's an amazing site that celebrates the best of America by shipping our country's most iconic foods from legendary restaurants straight to your door anywhere in the usa. I just had the main lobster roll and the deep dish pizza felt like a celebration. It was good. Now this Thanksgiving I am going to do a little pecan pie, I think and a holiday roast. Everybody's going to be able to enjoy both of those things. Gold Belly's reliable shipping makes sharing these memorable moments easy, joyful. So if you are looking for the perfect holiday gift or want to impress your friends and family with an epic Thanksgiving, please go to goldbelly.com get 20% off your first order with promo code bill. That's goldbilly.com code bill. 20% off your first order. Great deal. She did excellent reporting from Afghanistan everywhere. She was caught in a terrible situation in Egypt where she was assaulted. And I really have a lot of respect for Lara Logan. South African, 54 years old and now she is, I guess podcasting or doing something. Roll the tape.
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Is God okay with a closed border?
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Much bigger than that. God believes that in sovereignty and national identity and the sanctity of family and all the things that we've lived with from the beginning of time. And he knows that the open border is Satan's way of taking control of the world through all of these people who are his stooges and his servants. And they may think that they're going to become gods. That's what they tell us. Yobalnua, Harari and all the rest of them at the World Economic Forum. You know, the ones who want us eating insects, cockroaches and that while they dine on the blood of children.
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I don't know what happened to Lar. I don't know if anybody's dining on the blood of children. But. All I can tell you is was a brilliant reporter at one time. Now does it bother me that what she said to Bolling? No, because it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean a thing. But I feel bad for her and I'm not being condescending. I don't know what happened. Boy, was she a good reporter. She a better reporter than me. I get a pretty high opinion of my repertorial skills. That woman was brave. So anyway, look, summing it up, I think that the social media has to be viewed upon as purely entertainment, take it or leave it. But when it goes over into the policy realm and this crazy stuff, people getting defamed, people getting hurt, people getting attacked, marginalized, history being distorted, then somebody's got to take it on. I'm not going to do it, Okay. I mean, this is the first time, probably the last time I'm going to get involved with this stuff because again, wouldn't mean anything to me. I'm out of that world. But it may mean something to you. It meant something to the guy who drove me that said, hey, Candace Owens said that Charlie Kirk's plane was followed by Egyptian Air Force personnel. I said, really? And then I said to him, did Ms. Owens back that up? And the answer came back from my driver. She did a lot of research. Okay.
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You're listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.
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Health care. Now, this is big for every American paying a lot of money for health insurance. And when you go in and buy prescription drugs, everything else costs a lot of money, right? And Trump trying to lower the health care prices and insurance premiums. If he does, that will help him in the midterms. If he doesn't, Democrats will have an advantage. Simple as that. So right now there's a lot of negotiation going on and it is almost impossible to understand it. I've read it five, six times. It has to do with the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare. It has to do with government subsidies that go into there. It has to do with negotiations with Big Pharma. It's on and on and on and on. So I asked my staff, get me somebody who can explain this so even I can understand it. Joining us now is Michael Cannon, Cato Institute director of Health policy, coming to us from Washington, D.C. so you got a terrible task here, Michael, because I read this five, six times and I just don't know. But I'm going to ask them up to it. I'm going to ask my usual simple, foolish questions. First question, the Republicans are objecting to extending subsidies for Obamacare. What exactly does that mean?
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So Obamacare requires people who enroll to buy a lot of coverage they don't want, requires healthy people to pay higher premiums than is necessary so they can subsidize people, people with expensive medical conditions.
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Okay, but I don't. Let me stop you there. I don't have subsidies. I don't have Obamacare. Good. I don't have to enroll. And if I don't want, I can get my own private insurance, Correct?
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You can if you have an employer who offers it to you. Or you can afford it off of the exchanges. But even Obamacare's regulations apply there as well.
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But nobody can force you to buy Obamacare and pay their premiums, correct?
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Not anymore. That's correct.
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Okay, but millions of Americans choose to go into Obamacare the programs, and they pay more, you're saying, than they should. Is that accurate?
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Most people in the Obamacare exchanges pay maybe double what they should be paying because Obamacare lards up their premiums with hidden taxes and mandates that just increase the cost of insurance to them.
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Why would they pay that? Why wouldn't they go to a. Another program? Two reasons.
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Why? Well, one, there aren't really many other options out there because the government took most of them away. But I'll have something to say about one of those in a moment. And people want health insurance. And Congress also offers people in Obamacare subsidies, massive subsidies, 80% of the premium. You can get a subsidy for this. Some people 100% of the premium if.
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You'Re under a certain earning level, right?
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Well, right. But in 2021, Congress increased that earning level all the way up to like $600,000 per year. Those subsidies, though, are going to expire. So right now, people who are paying maybe 0% or 10% of their Obamacare premium are going to have to pay maybe 10 or 20% starting January 1st. And wealthier people earning more than $129,000 per year, maybe up to $600,000 per year, they're going to have to pay the full premium. And that's going to make them mad. And it should make them mad.
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Okay? But they can go. They can go and buy other insurance if they want to. It's just very hard to find other insurance, right?
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Not really. Because if you want to get insurance for an employer, great, you can find that. You can do that. But if you want to buy it directly from an insurance company, you have to obey all of Obamacare's rules. And the only exception really it is a market that Congress exempted from Obamacare. Congress calls it short term health insurance. President Trump in 2018 expanded the amount of consumer protections that are available in that market. And what we found was that when you exempt people from Obamacare, the premiums end up being 60% lower for most people. The coverage is comprehensive and on some dimensions, higher quality than Obamacare, broader choice of doctors.
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But there aren't a lot of companies that do that. You gotta. That's right. How do you find them?
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Because, well, they're out there. You know, UnitedHealthcare and Anthem and other large insurance companies offer these.
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All right, you gotta do some research. Go ahead.
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But here's the problem is that President Trump made these more widely available so they could last 36 months and provide better coverage that way. But. And that those rules were in place for six years when President Biden rescinded them. So right now, those plans can only last four months. And if you, if you get sick when you're in one of these plans and then it runs out after four months, you don't have any coverage. You can't enroll in Obamacare for up to 12 months.
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Okay, so what I don't want to get too. All right, I got it. So Biden knocked it out and now it's much shorter. What President Trump wants, according to the dispatches we received this morning, is to extend the Obamacare subsidies, but basically keep it the same as it is now for two years. Is that your understanding?
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That's what the reports say, but extensive. For two more years, they're basically going to become permanent.
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All right, but let's just stop them now. But, but Trump doesn't want to stop now. He wants to extend for two years to get by the midterms next November.
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Well, what he wants is affordability. What he wants is to be able to say, hey, I'm making health insurance affordable to you. And all he needs to do in order to do that is tell. Is tell Congress I want you to make permanent those rules that I put in place in 2018, giving people access to Obamacare exempt plans, because then premiums will fall by 50% or more for most people.
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So he wants to go back to the three year window where you can get in there to Obamacare and you won't pay as much.
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Well, hopefully he wants to do that, but he's not saying that right now. And his advisors aren't putting that in front of him. He's, he's within like inches of the cup. And all he needs is for his Advisors to hand him a putter, but they're handing him a lawnmower with all these crazy mechanisms that'll.
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Yeah, nobody understands it. Nobody understands it. Okay. Now, the Republican Party in general does not want to expand the Obamacare subsidies that were. That kicked in in Covid. They want to go back to the original law. Is that correct?
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Well, a lot of Republicans still want to repeal Obamacare, but at a minimum, they don't want to expand it. If you expand it, you get into all these fights over will the subsidies go toward abortions, will they go toward gender transition surgeries that are very controversial and conservatives. And they don't want to have anything to do with that.
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But I'm more interested in the affordability of it than the ancillary stuff. So right now you have this confusing battle where Americans are paying a lot of money for their insurance through Obamacare and the others, too. You say you can get a better deal. I believe you. But my question is, why don't all Americans seek the better deal? Are they lazy? Do they not know it's out there?
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Well, they can't really get a better deal right now because Biden rescinded Trump's rules. If Congress makes those rules permanent, then.
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Well, give me an example. Just go over the rule again that should be made permanent. What's the rule again?
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Well, we call it President Trump's 2018 short term plans rule. And all that Congress has to do is say, look, the short term plans can last up to 36 months. Your insurer can send you a. Sell you a renewal guarantee so that it can last even beyond that. You get lower price insurance, better insurance, longer term insurance, and it doesn't cost taxpayers a dime or destabilize Obamacare.
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Why don't they do that?
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Like I said, the president's within inches of the cup and all he needs is a putter. And this is a much simpler message than what his advisors are selling him. It is a much easier or better way to assuage the fears of nervous Democrats. Because we had these rules in place for six years. Obamacare did not crater.
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I got it. Now, Democrats, they don't want any of that. Right? They just want to spend more money on Obamacare. Right. Higher.
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But if the subsidies work. If the subsidies work, then why are Obamacare premiums increasing 26% this year? Subsidies are not going to solve this problem.
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Okay, so why are they increasing 26% this year? Why?
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Because they created Obamacare. They sent premiums skyward. And if people see those premiums, if they See the cost of Obamacare, they're going to be angry and they're going to want to repeal it. And so this is Democrats signature achievement, you know, from the past 20 years generation. And they don't want voters to learn just how expensive and destructive Obamacare really is.
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Know that though, they know they're suffering on their premiums because they have to pay out of their own pocket.
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A lot of them, well, they very, very few of them have to pay out of their own pocket right now. More of them will have to pay out of their own pocket when these subsidies expire. And that's what Democrats are trying to avoid. They want to avoid that price transparency.
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Okay, shouldn't the government just cap it? Just say, look, this is what you got to pay for our health insurance if you're in this income bracket, this is what you got to pay in that income bracket. Isn't that the way to solve this problem?
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What the government should be capping is how much the government spends on health care. And it should be capping that at zero. If you want to subsidize people, the least destructive way for the government to do that is just to give them cash. That might work in Medicare. I don't think it's gonna work in Obamacare.
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So you send them a check. I mean, I know about the Trump wants the health care tax free accounts where you would throw your money into a health care account, it wouldn't be taxed and then you'd build that up to help yourself buy the premiums down the road. I got that. But you were saying the government should send people checks to buy their health insurance.
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What the government should be doing with Obamacare is giving people options, alternatives so that the need for subsidies won't even be there. It won't be as great. So because people will be getting health insurance on their own that is secure, that doesn't rely on government subsidies.
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But they'd have to order that to take place. The federal government would have to order that to take place.
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Yeah, Congress would have to get out of the way of private insurance companies providing people better health care than the government's provide.
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And you really think private health care insurance companies would be reasonable because they're not reasonable in house insurance and car insurance. They're not. They're gouging the hell out of us.
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There's a famous health economist at the University of Pennsylvania named Mark Pauly. He, he says health insurance companies will do anything for money, including being nice and reasonable. And so if you give the money to the consumers and they have to please the consumers, then yes, health insurance companies will do a better job.
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But they're not doing it for home and auto, not doing it well.
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There are ways that the government gets involved there as well and reduces competition in the markets for home and auto insurance. But look at auto insurance. I mean, insurance. Health insurance insurance companies have been innovative in both the markets for health and, and auto insurance by protecting people from their premiums going up after they suffer a loss. That's what they call accident forgiveness. You've probably seen the ads. The same thing exists in health insurance. President Trump tried to make that, did make that available to people. Clarify that federal law allows that, but the Biden administration rescinded that, which means that a lot of people are going to face cancer patient premiums when they get cancer instead of healthy person premiums.
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It's so confusing. It really is. I mean, it's almost discouraging to the fact, to the point where the normal everyday person cannot understand what the deuce is happening and they can't. So that's where we are.
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You know, gas pumps are confusing to people in New Jersey, but it's not because they're dumber than people in the rest of the country. It's because the government has banned self service gas stations in New Jersey so they don't learn how to navigate these issues. People make their own health insurance decisions and, and all this will become much simpler and the population will become better educated about all of it.
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I'm with you guys at Cato and Spirit, but this one, this health care mess and this needs to be totally revamped in my opinion. Michael, thanks very much. We appreciate it. I know it's a very difficult subject. Thank you.
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This is the no Spin News Weekend.
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Edition Begin Tonight with Bill O'Reilly, host of the no Spin News Bill O'Reilly.com all of his content online, YouTube BillOeiley his new book called Confronting Evil, Assessing the Worst of the Worst. I don't want to spoil it, Bill, but it will be Christmas presents for a few of my friends. They'll just have to figure out which ones. You called the Democrats video a stunt. Should people be punished for a political stunt?
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I wouldn't punish him. I think the whole thing is contral arrived. I'm disappointed with Senator Kelly. I think that he made a huge mistake by getting involved with this ridiculous charade. You don't, if you're a responsible legislator, you don't make things up. So if you don't have an illegal order, then why are you talking about an illegal order? For what? What is the reason? There's only one to embarrass Trump, to whip up hatred against Trump. That's why they did it.
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Of course.
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I guess they didn't have anything else to do on Monday. I don't know. But why would Kelly, who has a distinguished record both in the military and in Congress, why would he be part of it? What's the upside? And then when all hell breaks loose. Oh, oh, you weren't expecting that backlash. You weren't expecting that. You.
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Think they knew that was coming? My reporting is that Alissa Slotkin was the one who organized it. Right. And she's notably the only one of the six that actually didn't serve in the military. She was with the CIA, but that's my reporting. So you think they understood the firestorm that this was going to set off? I mean, I, I think they would have, I don't know how.
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You don't if they didn't, if they didn't, they should retire. What? He's seven years old. When you go in there and tell the US Military not to obey orders because they may be quote, unquote, unlawful, you're going to get pushback and if you're a military person, you get in trouble. Well, but you're not going to happen.
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To be fair here. They said don't obey unlawful orders, which, by the way, is what every person is told every time, every day in boot camp.
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Okay, can I stop you?
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Classes. There are classes at the US Military academies on unlawful orders.
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Can I. Wait. Can I stop you? Let me stop you. Leland, don't set yourself on fire. Okay? Please, I'm begging you. Don't set yourself on fire. There was no unlawful order in play. They can try.
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I know that. We've reported that.
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That's not. That is not a legitimate basis to try to undermine a president or a military. It's just not. You can make up anything. And that's what they did. And they didn't think there was going to be this blowback on them. Come on, this is all things absurd.
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They did it because of the blowback. Right? And we know that because they're embracing the blowback.
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No, they don't like it. No, they don't. They don't like it now. Oh, they don't like it. Oh, no. No, they don't like it.
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Come on. Oh, Kelly loves it. He's fundraising off of it. He's not backtracking. He's doubling down.
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I understand this. I understand the cynicism involved with fundraising, but they don't like it, Leland. They're being pillaged. You know, I wrote a column yesterday on BillORiley.com called the Stunt Factor, because this is a stunt. The Mandani thing at the White House was a stunt. And political people are just crazy with stunts. But in the body of the column, I said, what if the pilots and the bombers in the Enola Gay in 1945 were up there? And they said, you know, killing all these civilians with this atom bomb, that may be illegal. We're not going to drop it. Right. There are literally thousands of orders throughout history in military campaigns that you could debate were illegal. And you're going to, what, have Gomer Pyle make a decision about what's legal and what isn't while he's in the field? I mean, it's insane if you just step back away from the media madness.
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I know you don't watch us every night. We're up a little past your bedtime, and you got better things to do. But we laid out very clearly last week the danger here and the real danger, especially for the program, Leland, for the rank and file. But I want to. There's something else going on here. Right. You called it a stunt. You said the Mandami thing was a stunt. Do you agree Pete Hegseth's statement that we're going to maybe recall Kelly and put him on court martial as a stunt?
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Hegseth is following orders.
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Okay, so is that a stunt by Trump?
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What are you doing? No, Trump's the commander in chief. He orders the Secretary of War to look into a situation that the commander in chief is to serve by chain of command. That's what happens.
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So this. So this is my question to you. You've got today, the Comey and the Letitia James cases thrown out. You've got.
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Do you know why they were thrown out, by the way? Because I don't know what the unlawful.
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Appointment, whether or not confirmed at the time.
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Okay, so it's all about a confirmation of a U.S. attorney in Virginia. That is the crux of the matter, right?
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That is the crux, as I understand it, of why it was. Of why the cases were thrown out. That's not to say why the judge made the decision.
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Let me ask you a question here. Why wouldn't. If the federal judge has a question about Lindsey Halligan not going through the Senate approval process, why would he just throw it out entirely? And you say this is a violation? Because there really isn't. I can't find it. Maybe you can. There really isn't. A, A, B, C, D, when it comes to these kind of appointments. If there were, the judge could throw it out. Okay? With prejudice. He didn't. She didn't. She threw it out without prejudice, which means it's coming back. So there's a debate about whether Ms. Halligan's appointment was lawful or was not.
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Correct there or no, I think it's different. Or they can refile the case because throwing it out with prejudice is a way to punish the prosecution. And there's a discussion now, since we're on with about coda.
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Halligan didn't do anything. Hold on.
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Let me just say.
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Halligan didn't do anything.
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No, but she was appointed. That's why they throw. Throw it out. Right. So this is what gets me my question. You've now got the Halligan case. The case against Comey is a mess for two reasons. One, you've got that she may or may not have been appointed correctly and Bondi went through with it. Two, whether or not it was properly done with the grand jury, which was the big debate last week. And then they might throw it out with prejudice because that can be prosecutorial, but they want that back well, the DOJ said it didn't happen, the judge didn't. But just let me ask this question.
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Oh, no. Okay, go ahead.
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Is Trump being well served by those working for him? Are the president's men and women keeping him focused on what he needs to be focused on and preventing unforced errors that he has to answer for?
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Look, President Trump is like Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt and a couple of other presidents. You can suggest things to him, okay, that's it. Then he does what he wants to do. It makes it a lot easier for journalists like you and me to cover a president who basically says, I make all the decisions. There's nobody I can. It's not like FDR who had a bunch of guys in the White House and they were just kicking this stuff around all the time and they got a consensus going. Then FDR during World War II in particular signed on the consensus. Okay, that's not Trump. Trump will listen, but you got to get it in quick, all right? Camp Bloviate and then he makes his own decision. So it's not fair to kick this to some adviser because the president is his governance style is. I'm the guy, I'm going to make the call.
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That is his style. And your style, Bill, is to always, I think let us know what's going to happen in these segments because you posted on x tonight at 9 Eastern, I will solve the country's problems. Watch me do it on newsnation@lelandvitter. I feel like the country has a couple of more problems to solve. We're going to stick keep you around on the end other side of this break, confronting evil.
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This initial plan would be a total capitulation by Ukraine. I think it would go down, frankly, as a historical bad deal rivaling Neville Chamberlain giving in to Hitler before World War II. Democrats spent the weekend trashing a 28 point peace plan for Ukraine that looked like Vladimir Putin's wish list for Christmas. Now that take it or leave it ultimatum for Ukraine to accept a humiliating peace deal by Thanksgiving appears to be off yet, as they would say in Moscow, the Russians and American negotiators spent the weekend in Geneva. Make that the Ukrainian and American negotiators working on a new proposal. So 28 points has now become a 19 point plan that Ukraine says they can live with.
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This is a living, breathing document. Every day with input, it changes. The deadline is we want to get this done as soon as possible. Obviously, you know, we would love it to be Thursday. We'd love to. But ultimately the important point today is that we have made substantial progress. We've really moved forward.
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Bill O'Reilly back with us, host of the no spin news. Bill O'Reilly, you've been talking about Ukraine for years. Bill put Putin on the COVID of the book Confronting Evil, assessing the worst of the Worst. You have before laid out Trump's playbook. I wanna look at Putin's playbook here because it seems to be working, right, that every time Trump gets close to punishing him, he goes, no, no, no, wait, I'd be happy to show you My plan, Mr. President. And then Trump takes the plan to the Ukrainians or anybody else and they look at this and they say, no, this is just an invitation for Putin to take over the rest of Europe and we start over again.
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In the public eye. Yes. And I'm disappointed with Warner, who knows better. You know, whenever you have a negotiation that's leaked, as this was to the, I guess Telegraph newspaper in England. Yeah. You always have a first draft and you always ask for everything. That's what you do. And Warner knows that. And he's just, this is what Cuomo's right on this. And I hate to say that they take stuff they know isn't true. And I mean both parties and they just ramp it up to get people angry. And Warner knows that this was just a rough draft that some sneak put out there. And if they find out who that was, it should be charged with the Espionage act for doing it.
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By the way, Bill, my understanding is it's the Russians who put it out, but I don't think you can charge them.
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I find that hard to believe. I find that very hard to believe. Okay, the Russians even have access to that because they're not directly involved in talks. And they would not be brought in until Zelensky.
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No, this was the Russians, Bill. This was the Russians. And the Americans sat down, they came up with this 28 point plan. They started talking about it. The Russians basically said, this is the outline we would agree to. And in the moments before it got taken to the Ukrainians, my understanding is that's when the Russians leaked it.
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No, Lavrov and Wyckoff are the two main negotiators. All right? And Lavrov, for the past three years, that's how long this thing has been going on. She says the same stuff every day. Every day never changes. All right, we want peace, but we're not going to give you anything. That's Lavrov. And then they all go out to dinner. This was inside the Trump White House. What we have to get out of Zelensky. And Zelenskyy is very weak now for the following reasons. Number one, get 200,000 Ukrainian men are AWOL from the draft. He doesn't have enough soldiers. The Ukrainians are now paying mercenaries to do the fighting. Number two, there's a huge scandal brewing. Three of Zelenskyy's very close advisors are suspected of taking millions of dollars in bribes from a nuclear energy concern in Ukraine. All right, nuclear power. And the third one is that the Ukrainian army cannot get a foot and hold of ground. It's 100% defensive war. So the United States knows this. Putin knows all that. But you make a mistake. Trump's oil sanctions has hurt old Vlad big time. Big time. The oil price in the world's coming down. China's screwing them on the price like crazy. The Russians, Vlad starting to sweat. Because Vlad needs millions of dollars in hard currency, not rubles, to pay the generals that prop him up. Once that money dissolves, you're going to see Vlad's head on a stick. The only thing keeping him in there with 1 million casualties for nothing in Ukraine are the generals, the army keeping him in there. He needs hard currency and he's not going. It's going down real fast. So this is a good time that maybe he'll change a little bit. But first they have to get Zelensky to sign off on it. And that's what this negotiation in Geneva was all about this weekend. Telling the Ukrainians, you have to be realistic, you have an opening here. You've got to stop it because it's getting more for you and it's not going to get any better. It's not going to get any better. That's the key. You think they're going to get worse for Ukraine?
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You think there's a deal that both Ukraine and Putin will sign on to?
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I don't know. Because Putin is literally a psychopath who enjoys killing people. But I don't think he wants to commit suicide. Putin.
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Okay, so then, so how does this.
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Right.
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Okay, so then bring this in to Venezuela. Right.
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Venezuela. Right.
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Different thing. Does Trump really want a war with Venezuela? There's enough military hardware floating around the Caribbean Sea to take over all of South America. So why is he doing this?
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He doesn't want a war because he wants Maduro out. Because he knows once Maduro gets out and all the oil in Venezuela goes on the market, that'll drive oil prices down even further, that'll hurt Putin even further, and it'll help the American consumer. So what Trump did was he studied what Bush the elder did in Panama when the United States troops invaded, literally grabbed Noriega, the president of Panama grabbed him, threw him on a plane, took him to Miami, tried and incarcerated the man. So the Trump people said, we can do that. It's a little more complicated, but we don't believe that there's going to be a lot of people dying to keep Maduro in there. He's not popular. So they're making a big show of this to really rattle Maduro's cage behind the scenes. What nobody knows is they're trying to make a deal with Maduro to get out of there with a lot of money.
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That's what Axios reported a couple of hours ago.
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Well, okay, they took it from me. And Maduro may do it because Maduro is a short timer in there one way or the other.
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Got it. All right, Bill, thank you very much. Good to see you. First word about the Venezuela snap in.
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Warnos.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for keeping me up late, Leland. You know, I enjoy the late hour with you today.
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There you go. Happy Thanksgiving. Good to see you.
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You too. Have fun.
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