No Spin News - Weekend Edition - October 25, 2025

Summary

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Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: No Spin News - Weekend Edition
Date: October 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

In the October 25, 2025, Weekend Edition of No Spin News, Bill O’Reilly takes on the week’s political flashpoints with customary bluntness, focusing on the legality and morality of recent protests, immigration enforcement, health care for undocumented immigrants, the evolving media landscape, and the state of American public understanding. O’Reilly is joined by Colby Hall (Mediaite), Rebecca Rose Woodland (New York attorney), Ian Khan (author and futurist), and Alex DeMille (author) for detailed discussions, each bringing different perspectives to the core issues at hand.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Protest Morality and Political Virtue

Guest: Colby Hall, Mediaite
Timestamps: 00:51 - 09:03

• Colby Hall's Column Analysis (00:51): O'Reilly highlights a Mediaite column critiquing recent protest action as "virtuous but ultimately performative" if not backed by strategy and meaningful demands.

  • Quote (Colby Hall):
    “The marches are virtuous, showed moral clarity when cynicism was easier. But virtue without strategy is performance, and performance without follow through is paralysis. The crowd made noise. Now it has to make demands and back them with something more than Saturday’s turnout.” (00:51)

• Virtue and Patriotism in Protest (01:50–03:05):

  • Hall argues many protesters act out of principle, but concedes he didn't attend in person.

  • O’Reilly challenges this virtue label, citing presence of anarchists and “Bernie Bros,” questioning whether this is true “moral clarity.”

  • Quote (O'Reilly):
    “There are a lot of people who want communism and socialism. The Bernies bros. All those people are virtuous?” (02:16)

• Protest Targets and Law Enforcement (03:05–06:42):

  • O’Reilly criticizes equating refusal to enforce immigration laws or allowing urban crime spikes with morality.

  • Hall pushes back, noting crime rates in Chicago have fallen, while agreeing with O’Reilly that the Biden administration mishandled the border.

  • Discussion pivots to ICE enforcement and transparency, with both agreeing on the need for clearer guidelines and due process.

  • Quote (Hall):
    “If you are a hardened criminal or if you've done any serious crime and you're here illegally, you should be deported... Presuming you got the right guy and you know that they did some sort of crime on any scale, you lose the right to be here regardless.” (06:42)

• Virtue Signaling & Social Media Protest Culture (07:31–08:40):

  • Soundbite from activist Rebecca Rose Woodland evokes “virtue signaling,” with O’Reilly noting the tendency for protest action to lack follow-up.
  • Hall critiques protests as sometimes being more about “putting up social media posts than creating real change.”

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2. Health Care for Undocumented Immigrants and Government Shutdown Drama

Guests: Colby Hall
Timestamps: 12:29 – 17:17

• Congressional Standoff on Health Care (12:29–14:38):

  • O’Reilly and Hall dissect the political deadlock over extending health coverage to undocumented immigrants, with O’Reilly citing CBO’s estimated $662 billion cost over 10 years.

  • Hall argues that withholding coverage raises costs for everyone and underscores the system’s complexity.

  • Both acknowledge neither party has produced a better alternative to the ACA.

  • Quote (O'Reilly):
    “The Congressional Budget Office estimates...if the Republican Party and Trump said, yeah, okay...that would cost the United States of America...$662 billion over 10 years. The Republican Party is never going to do that in a million years.” (13:30)

• Need for Bipartisan Summit (15:01–17:09):

  • O’Reilly advocates for a bipartisan healthcare summit, with both agreeing on the need for a fair system that maintains safety nets without “giveaways.”

  • Quote (O'Reilly):
    “There’s got to be a big summit meeting between both parties to come up with a health care system that’s number one fair...not giveaways.” (15:01)

  • Hall argues Republicans would be “real heroes” if they devised a cost-effective, universal plan.

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3. Presidential Use of the Insurrection Act & Authority

Guest: Rebecca Rose Woodland, Esq.
Timestamps: 18:26 – 23:07

• Presidential Authority and Judicial Challenges (18:26–20:33):

  • Woodland outlines the president’s near-absolute constitutional authority to deploy the National Guard under the Insurrection Act.

  • She criticizes “partisan” judicial attempts to block presidential authority as a waste of time and public money.

  • Quote (Woodland):
    “The president under the Insurrection Act has the right to determine...and define what insurrection, rebellion and domestic violence is. He is the deciding factor. No one else.” (18:26)

• Historical Context and Public Misinformation (20:33–22:33):

  • O’Reilly supplies historical context for the Insurrection Act, referencing post-Civil War interventions and Eisenhower/Kennedy administrations.

  • They lament public ignorance about the Constitution, blaming schools and media.

  • Quote (O’Reilly):
    “They don’t know what the Rebellion Act is, they don’t know what the Insurrection Act is. They don’t know anything. All right, they hear, but the media has picked up this theme, authoritarian Nazi this, that, and they push it every single day.” (21:22)

• Impact of Organized Opposition (22:33–23:07):

  • Woodland shares her experience talking to protesters who repeat anti-Trump rhetoric without understanding.
  • O’Reilly claims well-funded opposition efforts are “making inroads.”

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4. Media Landscape, Social Media, and the Rise of AI

Guests: Ian Khan (futurist), Rebecca Rose Woodland
Timestamps: 27:59 – 32:25

• Transition in News Consumption (27:59–29:12):

  • Khan and O’Reilly discuss the crumbling barriers between broadcast, social media, and user-generated content. The specter of AI, deepfakes, and disinformation is raised.

  • Quote (Khan):
    “It’s the era of deep fakes, the era of disinformation, misinformation, and anybody can put up a YouTube channel and talk endlessly...and actually get some followers as well.” (27:59)

• Calls for Information Literacy and Self-Reliance (29:46–30:36):

  • O’Reilly and Khan agree government regulation is unlikely and advise listeners to consult multiple sources and “not trust anybody” uncritically.

  • Quote (Khan):
    “You have to balance your opinion by dipping into different pools and get an opinion from various sources. You cannot absolutely just go with one thing and totally believe it.” (30:12)

• Generational Change & Shortcomings of Modern Journalists (30:36–31:58):

  • O’Reilly argues younger journalists lack training, world experience, and historical perspective, unlike those who emerged from WWII or Vietnam.

• Concerns for the Future – Digital Avatars (31:58–32:25):

  • Khan envisions a future dominated by digital avatars, with potential for viewers to be fooled by AI-driven news personalities.

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5. Literary Segment: Remembering Nelson DeMille and Legacy Collaboration

Guest: Alex DeMille (author)
Timestamps: 33:35–38:48

• Collaboration with the Late Nelson DeMille (33:35–36:14):

  • O’Reilly warmly recalls his late friend, prolific author Nelson DeMille.
  • Alex discusses his creative partnership with his father, generational differences, and contributing a younger perspective to their military thrillers.

• Exploration of AI and Autonomous Weapons in Fiction (36:55–38:05):

  • Alex previews “The Tin Men,” emphasizing themes of AI, robotics, and the future of warfare.

  • O’Reilly notes the relevance amid U.S. competition with China and Russia over advanced military technologies.

  • Quote (Alex DeMille):
    “You’ll probably hopefully learn what I learned, which was the role that autonomous weaponry and AI and robotics plays and might continue to play in the military.” (37:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Virtue in Protest:
  “Virtue without strategy is performance, and performance without follow-through is paralysis.”
  — Colby Hall (00:51)

• On Enforcement and Transparency:
  “I think that the moral high ground is held by the people who want to enforce the law, but they have to do a better job of explaining why they’re doing what they’re doing.”
  — Bill O’Reilly (06:11)

• On AI and Disinformation:
  “It’s the era of deep fakes...we’re headed into an era where we need to know what we’re watching and if it’s actually real.”
  — Ian Khan (27:59)

• On Media Skepticism:
  “Don’t trust anybody. Don’t trust everything you watch, either on social media or on programmatic media or broadcast.”
  — Ian Khan (30:12)

• On Health Care Deadlock:
  “The Congressional Budget Office estimates...that would cost the United States of America...$662 billion over 10 years. The Republican Party is never going to do that in a million years.”
  — Bill O’Reilly (13:30)

• On Generational Journalists:
  “Who’s going to replace you, O’Reilly? ...They don’t have the training, they don’t have the experience. They’re not going to cover wars like I did.”
  — Bill O’Reilly (30:52)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Protests, Morality & ICE – 00:51–09:03
• Healthcare & Congressional Politics – 12:29–17:17
• Presidential Authority & Insurrection Act – 18:26–23:07
• Media Evolution & AI Risks – 27:59–32:25
• Alex DeMille on Nelson DeMille & ‘The Tin Men’ – 33:35–38:48

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Summary Tone & Character

• The episode maintains O'Reilly’s trademark directness and skepticism, with forthright guest exchanges and a range of views.
• There’s considerable back-and-forth rather than lectures, allowing for both agreement and pointed disagreement, especially on morality in activism, health care responsibility, and the dangers of media-driven misinformation.
• The tone is urgent, often critical, and typically combative—but respectful in the pursuit of clarity.

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This summary should provide any listener—new or returning—a clear, detailed understanding of the episode’s substance, highlights, and major debates.

Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

You know, the words that dominate our.

[Ian Khan]

News cycle, private equity keeps inventing.

[Alex DeMille]

But do you truly understand how they.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Impact your world and your wallet? In a world that skims the what? Understand the why. Because context changes everything. Subscribe to Learn [e-mail] the global benchmark for business news. Welcome to the no Spin News weekend edition. The criticism of the president I watched that had my staff watch it too, was general roll of tape. But primarily my biggest focus today is ice. What they're doing is unconstitutional. It's not fair. It's terrorism. Okay? So it's like, you know, the country's fascist country now and it's going down a drain. And now one column did catch my attention. It was written by Colby hall, who we like here for Mediaite, which is a website, social media website which analyzes what's going on in the press. So all the people in the press read it. Here's what Colby wrote about the march. He goes, the marches are virtuous showed moral clarity when cynicism was easier. But virtue without strategy is performance, and performance without follow through is paralysis. The crowd made noise. Now it has to make demands and back them with something more than Saturday's turnout, unquote. And Colby hall joins us now from Brooklyn. So the marches are virtuous. How do you know?

[Colby Hall]

Well, I didn't go, but judging by the people that I know. But what I meant by virtuous is that they were principled, right? They. To your point? Well, I don't know if all of them, but I think generally you can sort of, I'm sure, like the individuals that were arrested, they were, I trust that. I believe in the authorities that arrested them for good reason. You know, you can take a thousand people and there's always going to be two or three nutters. Those nutters don't define the.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking. You say the marchers are virtuous. There are a lot of antifas out there. There are a lot of anarchists. They didn't misbehave. Again, to their credit, on a mass level, there are a lot of people who want communism and socialism. The Bernies bros. All those people are virtuous.

[Colby Hall]

Come on. Well, I'm just gonna echo what you said earlier. I think what they did was patriotic. Right? I mean, in, in as much. And look, I, I don't agree with everything that the sort of organizers put forth, but the right to protest is constitutionally protected. And to your point, like, for the most part, it was peaceful and principled. And I don't know that there was a lot of antique.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm giving you a hard time because I think you were too general in this column. So the margins are virtuous. They showed moral clarity. So I don't think that letting 15 million foreign nationals into this country as Joe Biden did, is moral. I think it's immoral. All right. I think it destroyed. Right. But I don't think. I don't think that watching 4000 mostly African Americans be gunned down in the streets of Chicago is moral at all. Now, these demonstrators, Colby, I would say 90% of them, all right, don't want immigration enforcement, and they don't want National Guard to go in and stop mini holocaust in Chicago. They don't want it. How is that moral clarity?

[Colby Hall]

I don't think there's a mini holocaust going on in Chicago right now. I think there is crime, absolutely. And it's been a problem, although it's been getting better. It's at a 60 year low. I do think that I agree with you on. The Biden administration failed immeasurably in the way that they handled the border so poorly. And I think that's, you know, he paid the penance of that by. Well, Conor Harris did by not getting elected. I think that was a huge, huge issue. I don't think this protest was about the Biden administration. And I don't even know. You had the sound clip of the protester protesting ice. You know, that's a complicated issue. I think that the way that the draconian way that many ICE people, you know, remove people in masks without due process is critical. But I think the authoritarian things that the Trump administration are doing, you know, are, you know, sort of eroding our Constitution. You know, the Posse Combatantis does not allow federal.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But the Supreme Court is gonna hear that. They're gonna hear that, and we should let that play out. But these people have already condemned Trump as being immoral, as being a fascist. They've already done it. And then you say they show moral clarity by doing it. I disagree vehemently with that. Let me just.

[Colby Hall]

Patriotically. All right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And that's okay. I mean, this is why we have this program and why we have robust. I don't think that's moral clarity. I think you have to basically take it issue by issue. Now, when I had Tom Holman on, and you saw it last Wednesday, I scolded him gently because he was a standup guy for coming on by not giving enough information about the ice. Agents and what they do and what they're ordered to do. Because the Homeland Security Department doesn't seem that they think they have an obligation to tell the American people what the deuce is going on. They. They do. They do. Now there I'm 100% with the demonstrators who say, well, we can't have a system whereby people are snatched up. I don't know what the guidelines are. They haven't been put out there. I do know that the judges deportation orders there are these left wingers don't want those enforced. The progressive movement does not want to send anybody back. They'll say, maybe hardened criminals, but they don't want DUI people sent back. They don't want wife abusers sent back. They don't want them. And that's not moral clarity to me. So I think that the moral high ground is held by the people who want to enforce the law, but they have to do a better job of explaining why they're doing what they're doing. Is that reasonable?

[Colby Hall]

I think that's entirely reasonable. And I would go further, and I'd say most Americans who look at this, you know, sort of logically and reasonable would say that if you are a hardened criminal or if you've done any serious crime and you're here illegally, you should be deported. Right? Of course, everyone is afforded due process, if only to find out you got the right guy, right? Presuming you got the right guy and you know that they did some sort of crime on any scale, you lose the right to be here regardless.

[Ian Khan]

Right.

[Colby Hall]

I think most people, they need.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They need to clarify what the 1952 law is and how it's being enforced. And it's a scandal that we haven't had. We have a woman in Houston. I want to run the sound bite, get your reaction to it. Who had a bunch of friends and they were out protesting against Trump roulette tape.

[Rebecca Rose Woodland]

When you see something's wrong, you've got to stand up and do something. You can't just put your head in the sand and hope it goes away. And whether it affects you or your neighbor doesn't matter. You have to stand up for everyone. We're one nation under God with Lilly and justice for all.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, that's just virtue signaling. You know what that is? It's like, well, what's wrong, lady? What are you objecting to? What exactly is the problem here? And they.

[Colby Hall]

Well, that was the essence of my column really, was that the protest was better at putting up social media posts than it was for actually Doing any change. Meaning what we have found here, what I sort of found is that you go on Instagram or TikTok or Twitter and you see all these people putting out photos saying like, look what I did. I protested.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right.

[Colby Hall]

And kind of goes away. So I do believe that there's a real concern that there's no organization. These people feel good about themselves because they protested and put up a witty sign and then they go back to normal lives.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But you, you would like, you would. If you were king. King. Colby, I don't think there's ever there's been a king. There's been a king Knut, but I don't think ever a king. Colby, if you were king, you would want to reverse some of the Trump policies, right?

[Colby Hall]

No, I would want a more reasonable sort of approach where there were checks and balances. I think what I would, I would. If I were king, I wouldn't be a king because I'd be for American democracy in the Constitution. And I would ask Congress.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, but what has Trump done that you would like to see banished?

[Colby Hall]

Well, I would like to see due process 1. I would like to see. I think the government shutdown was not a, was a strategic way to cut a lot of staff. I mean, under the shutdown, the executive branch, the omd, gets a ton of power, so they've been able to fire and lay off a bunch of.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So you think that it was a contrived shutdown of fire people?

[Colby Hall]

I do, I do. I think it was, I think the clever strategic move by, I mean, it was sort of laid out in the Project 2025 and you know, the cutting of USAD, the dogecods, all of that stuff sort of fell outside of the realm of what we've.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It's. I guess it's possible. But look, say you're Senator John Thune, so you're not a king. I just downgraded you to a senator. So Senator Schumer walks in, he looks at you and he says, we're going to shut down a government. We're going to, all of us in Congress, all Democrats, unless Republicans agree, let's face it, the US Economy is under stress, national debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this, get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text Bill to 998-899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text Bill to 998-899. Power, politics and the people behind the headlines. Our country's back. We're really back. Candid conversations with the people making the rules and changing the game. Can you see yourself as president one day? I don't think about that.

[Ian Khan]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Ian Khan]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

To provide taxpayer health care for for 7 million undocumented people. That's what Schumer did and he knew, but Schumer knew that the Republican Party could never do that ever in a million.

[Colby Hall]

You're oversimplifying a very complicated health care system. Will people will undocumented people they have to be treated at ers a b. The more you cover people with this health care system and Obamacare is not great, I will agree with that. But it's better than what came before and should be improved. And neither party has put forth anything to try to improve that. But when you cut that funding, guess who's going to pay more? It's all the other Americans that rely on the Affordable Health Care Act. Right? And those prices are going to go way up. And that's a real problem that the country has to face.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Thune and Johnson, the two leaders in Congress, both said to Schumer, we will negotiate this with you what exactly you just said. But the facts of the matter are okay, that the Congressional Budget Office estimates if the Republican Party and Trump said, yeah, okay, well we'll, we'll let you have an extension of Obamacare that will pay for the health care of 7 million undocumented people. That would Cost the United States of America. This is CBO number 662 billion over 10 years. The Republican Party is never going to do that in a million years. So the Democrats knew when they came in that this was going to shut it down, Colby. And they did it to make a stand against Trump. And that's the truth.

[Colby Hall]

I think you're right to say that this was a protest against Trump because the Democrats are in disarray. It's cliche. They have no power. This is the only thing they can.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's the line. Right. And that's what happened.

[Colby Hall]

But I will say also, you know, Trump and his allies have been talking about repeal and replace Obamacare for what, 10 years, and they got nothing. And so if Obamacare or the American Health Care act and our American healthcare system is so, so broken and for profit, and people are making billions of dollars off of this, where is the government responsibility to try to fix it?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Listen, I agree. I agree with that 100% that there's got to be a big summer, there's got to be a big summit meeting between both parties to come up with a health care system. That's number one fair. Okay? Because we do need to have safety nets for older people and people who are. You have to have them, but not giveaways. You know, look, I reported last week, and how many times have you heard, Colby, how many times you heard, oh, from a Democrat, oh, the federal government doesn't pick up any of the undocumented health bills. How many times have you heard?

[Colby Hall]

Too many times. Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And so we come up with last week, the state of Oregon, in its budget, has $1.5 billion allotted for health care for undocumented people because they take Medicaid, where the feds match it dollar for dollar, and hit it right into the undocumented community. So the Democrats aren't telling the truth there. They're gaming the system. But you are right.

[Colby Hall]

I learned that from you on the News Nation town hall. That's right. I learned that from you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right.

[Colby Hall]

Good stuff, right?

[Bill O'Reilly]

So let's have Schumer open the government, because the Democrats are the ones that are closed it. And then Thune and Johnson, you set up a summit meeting and you lay out legislation. I think that's the way to go. Last word.

[Colby Hall]

I think the Trump administration would. Could be real heroes right now if they put forth a plan, you know, in the way that they settled peace, did the impossible by causing a ceasefire and discussing peace in the Middle East. If they could put forth a real healthcare plan that was better and more affordable to everyone. That's when he would get the Nobel Peace Prize. And so I would encourage.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But he's not going to do it. He's not. The Republican Party and President Trump are not going to pay the health bills of undocumented people. Then I fine.

[Colby Hall]

I mean, so let's have the conversation, but put something for it. Don't say we're not going to do anything. We're going to do nothing. Let's, let's start the dialogue. That's what I think.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, Colby, we appreciate you taking the time. Thanks. Good debate.

[Colby Hall]

Always good to be here.

[Bill O'Reilly]

If you guys want to comment on the debate, [e-mail] bill@billo reilly.com name in town if you wish to apart. You're listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition. It is true that the National Guard, as we saw in D.C. will be a restraining force against criminals. But the criminals are not going to come out to Pioneer Square in Portland, Oregon, if the guards stand in there. The dope dealers aren't going to come out. The gangs on the south side of Chicago aren't coming out armed to the teeth if the guard is there. So, yes, that is an unintended good consequence of these orders. And President Trump knows we want to be fair and honest here. And joining us now from New York City is Rebecca Rose Woodland. She is a power House attorney in New York and knows the Constitution very well. We're pleased to have her back. All right. Am I making any mistakes here, counselor?

[Rebecca Rose Woodland]

You are absolutely not making any mistakes. You're almost understating the fact that the pro, the president under the Insurrection act has the right to determine. And I'm going to live, I'm going to state, determine and define what insurrection, rebellion and domestic violence is. He is the deciding factor. No one else.

[Colby Hall]

Okay?

[Rebecca Rose Woodland]

Not the courts, not the authority.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You and I agree. All right. You and I agree. And so does so most of the people watching all around the world today, we agree that there's that the president has the authority. But judge after judge after judge after judge after judge tried to block presidential authority in this matter. Why do you think that is?

[Rebecca Rose Woodland]

This is all political. I mean, these people are standing on weak political grounds. These are Democrats that want to oppose the president any way they can. Legal, unlegal, lawful, unlawful. This is unlawful. They're just clogging the courts with useless, useless cases. Taxpayer money is being spent. The Department of Justice is having to spend time opposing these motions when the Department of Justice and Attorney General bondi Cash Patel from the FBI should we work, should be working on other issues that are facing this country. The incredible drug trade coming in that they're trying to prevent and halt. But no, they're wasting time. The President has the absolute authority. The Supreme Court said in the 1800s, the president had the authority and the right to define what insurrection is. And if the president sees an insurrection, he can go in with the Guard to quell it and to organize it for then the troops and the other, you know, criminal law, force law enforcement authorities to come in and then, as you said, effectuate arrests. Okay, this is since the 1800s.

[Bill O'Reilly]

This is nothing new. But, but, but just for, as a historical aside that was done, all of those things were done because after the Civil War and the Union's victory, a lot of people in the south weren't going to obey the. They were just going to persecute the blacks and keep them down and hurt them and hang them, and. And so the federal government had to intervene, and then U.S. grant had to go in and destroy the Klan. Not with militia, not with National Guard, with troops. But then we see all throughout history, in the 50s with Eisenhower, in the 60s with Kennedy. So there is no doubt about the fact that the President of the United States, it could be anybody, Barack Obama took over the New Orleans Police Department, has the power to do this. But it's morphed. And I want to get your personal opinion on this. We, you and me, are correct. And the Supreme Court is going to rule in President Trump's favor. And the quicker it gets there, the better to put this all to bed. But this is now morphed into the King thing, that he. That he's authoritarian, that he's fascist, that he's illegally using troops to come in to la, to Portland, to Chicago, on and on. And it has taken deep root in the minds of some Americans. They don't understand what the Constitution is, and I'm not faulting them. They're not taught it in school. Constitution, nobody's teaching it anymore. They don't know what's in it. They don't know what the Rebellion act is. They don't know what the Insurrection act is. They don't know anything. All right, they hear, but the media has picked up this theme, authoritarian Nazi this, that, and they push it every single day. And then when they lose Rose, which they will, media is going to ignore that and go on to the next accusation. And you have anything to add to that soliloquy?

[Rebecca Rose Woodland]

Because I'm in New York on Saturday, I saw all of these protesters and I tried to ask some of them what was the king aspect in their opinion, in their terms. And they just kept reiterating the rhetoric without understanding any of the background. No, they don't know. They didn't know at all. And look, Bill, I agree with you. I think that this is an organized effort to just discredit the president without any factual basis.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And it's working to some extent. When you get 7 million people out there thinking that he's a king, that organization that they have put together with a lot of Soros money, they're making some inroads. Rose, thanks very much. I really appreciate it. And you know, look, my job here is to tell you, the viewer and listener, what the facts are. And if you have any beef with my analysis or the counselor's analysis. [e-mail] [e-mail] Just put your name in town so we know you're not organized. We don't want one of these people, you know, we don't want that regular people writing it. But I am open to suggestion, but man, I studied this thing, all right, from every way. And what I am telling you is absolutely true. This is the no Spin News Weekend edition. Social media is has taken over and that most Americans get their information from social media. Now, I usually ask potential criminals to have a seat, but now I'm asking you to join me, Chris Hansen, for my new series, have a Seat with Chris Hansen. Guests each week are fascinating personalities who are great grabbing headlines, making waves, or changing our lives for the better. Have a Seat with Chris Hansen, available wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, it's your buddy, Craig Carton. And if you're like me, you could use a timeout from the chaotic news cycle, a pause from the politics, a break from the bedlam. I'm inviting you to join me every day on the Craig Carton show podcast where we tackle the biggest sporting events of the day and give honest, hot takes on and off the field. Sports talk should be fresh, informative and fun. And that's what we deliver every single day. So give your ears a much needed vacation. It's time to tune out the noise and take a break from the nonstop news cycle. Subscribe now to the Craig Carton show podcast, available on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcast. That's both good and bad, right? The good thing is that you can get your product on social media. So while I'm still banished from a lot of the corporate media not all, but a lot of it. And not just me, but any non liberal voice, you're never going to get on. Okay. It was funny watching the View ladies goes, well, conservatives are too scared to come on. Yeah, okay, sure. You know, you don't invite them. Okay, you won't invite them. You won't put them on. That's the truth. So we have a situation where this vast change is taking place underway right now. Americans don't know about. They don't know what's happening. Now the downside of social media is there's no standards. You can say whatever you want. And to pile on artificial intelligence is about to get into the news information business. That's going to be scary because you'll have no idea what is true and what isn't true. They'll be able to resurrect video. They'll even have phony newscasters on there that look real. You're not going to know. That's really dangerous. So that'll help me and bill o'reilly.com because people go, yeah, and they'll come here and I'll let you know if I'm an AI person. I don't think they could possibly even invent somebody as obnoxious as I am. But maybe. All right, summit of 330 million Americans, right? I'd say more than half of us don't know what the deuce is going on. I have no idea. Now, a lot of those people don't care, but boy, it's getting dangerous out there. If you don't know you can be manipulated. And that's the memo. All right. Joining us now from another point of view is Ian Khan. He's got a book out this year called Undisrupted Leadership Essentials on Business Transformation, Profitability and Future Readiness. And he does a show on Amazon prime called the Future Ist. All right, so Ian joins us from Las Vegas. I don't know if Las Vegas is the future. They're having a hard time out there because, you know, the Indian casinos have taken a lot of business away from Vegas. Anyway, that's another story, another time. So am I making any mistakes in my analysis of the media?

[Ian Khan]

You're right on track, Bill. You know, there's so much happening and it's not just broadcast. It's not, you know, what Warner is doing, what Disney's doing, but it's this whole change in how we consume content and that has really shifted over the last few years. I sometimes feel that traditional broadcasters are just living in their own world. They've been doing their own thing for the last few decades, but social media is coming in. You mentioned AI and that is a completely new animal where you absolutely cannot tell if this person you're seeing on screen is me or an avatar and how you can program it. So it's the era of deep fakes, the era of disinformation, misinformation, and anybody can put up a YouTube channel and talk endlessly nonstop and actually get some followers as well. So the scene has definitely changed, and we're headed into an era where we need to know what we're watching and if it's actually real.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But the only way that can happen is if the government then got involved and had standards of behavior that all the social media companies would have to adhere to. And I don't. I don't see that happening, Ian.

[Ian Khan]

I don't see that happening either, because the way it looks like, social media companies are quite powerful. They're global companies with a lot of access to people, communities, money, power. And it's the stark reality that technology companies have become much more powerful than you would have anticipated, and hence antitrust laws and hence the need to break them down. But some companies are much more powerful than the average American knows based on what they can do and the amount of data they have and what they.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Know about they give money, the politicians and all that. So your advice to people of goodwill, and that cuts across all parties and all ideologies who really want to know the truth about their lives and the country in which they live. What is your advice? What do you tell them to do?

[Ian Khan]

It's tough advice. And the advice is don't trust anybody. Don't trust everything you watch, either on social media or on programmatic media or broadcast. You have to balance your opinion by dipping into different pools and get an opinion from various sources. You cannot absolutely just go with one thing and totally believe it.

[Rebecca Rose Woodland]

All right?

[Bill O'Reilly]

And that's good advice. So. But that takes time. And most people are working and they get the kids and, you know, it takes time to go survey. I've been doing media for 50 years, and I don't know how much longer I can do it. I mean, I'm in good shape, thank God, and I'm. Nobody can beat me, even in my advanced age. I mean, they try, but they can't. But sooner or later, I'm going to fall apart. But I look and people go, well, who's going to replace you, O'Reilly? Who's going to take over? And I don't see it. I Don't see, and I'm not being insulting to the younger journalists, but they don't have the training, they don't have the experience. They're not going to cover wars like I did. They're not sent all over the world. And they don't have any of this. So that the human element, the information carriers, all right, they were first fostered in World War II. That's where all CBS people came out of World War II. That was a tough slog. And then the others, next generation was Vietnam, and then on and on and on. Now you don't have that. You have Tiffany from La Crosse, Wisconsin, who can't even say what town she's in. And I think that with the technology is really a deficit here in a way, people are getting information. Last word? Yeah.

[Ian Khan]

We're actually headed into an era like you mentioned of digital avatars. And I completely believe that in the next five to 10 years, we'll have, you know, you right there, but it'll be a digital avatar of you speaking like you, speaking like me, and programmed to exactly replicate your mannerisms, your thinking pattern. And people will be watching the virtual, you know, and enjoying it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

We'll call it out. I mean, as long as we have the platform, and we have an immense platform, as you know, we will not tolerate that. Ian, thanks very much. Really appreciate your expertise. And thanks for having me. You're listening to the no Spa News Weekend Edition. So some of you know that I was friends with Nelson DeMille, one of the most successful authors of fiction in the United States. Mr. DeMille died last year at the age of 81 from cancer. I was with him to the end. He wrote 24 novels, was on a bestseller list. He had movies made of his books. You know, I mean, if you're in, if you read books, you know Nelson DeMille. All right, so he's got a new one out written with his son, the Tin Men, and It comes out October 28th next week. And it's again featuring army special agents, investigators, Scott Brody and Maggie Taylor, which are two very, very good characters. So joining us now from Brooklyn, New York, is Alex DeMille, who co wrote this book with his late father. So how you doing, Alex? How's the family? First of all, we really miss Nelson.

[Alex DeMille]

Thank you, Bill. I'm doing well. I know he always, he appreciated your friendship and we appreciate it too, in the difficult time when he passed last year.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, we're doing okay. But the outpouring of affection for him was really impressive. And his son James and I know you're. You're helping James out. He's up in college now, and. But if you guys need anything, you just let me know right away because Nelson was a very unique individual I respected very much. Now, it must be tough for a son, a young guy like you. Well, you know, you're in your 40s, but Nelson was pro. And did he, like, scorn you or scold you during the book if he didn't like what you were doing? I always wanted to ask you that.

[Alex DeMille]

No, no. I mean, to be honestly, when he first asked me to work with him, this would have been in 2017. I. I told him that I didn't think it was a good idea because, you know, a family relationship, business relationships are two different things. And I was a little concerned that, you know, it would be like oil and water. But despite, you know, his career, despite the fact that I was doing adjacent work. But I was, you know, I was screenwriting. I was doing film editing and things like that. We came to it with a mutual respect. And he definitely. We had pushed back, you know, most of the times. The first book, I'd say he won, you know, 90 of the battles. Second book, maybe 70. And, you know, as. As I got more experience, a little more seasoned, I think we. We kind of developed a rapport.

[Bill O'Reilly]

What did you.

[Alex DeMille]

No scolding. Maybe a lot of, like, angry exes with pencils on them, on the paper.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Deuce, you're doing. What did you offer your father? You know, a fairly big age difference, generational difference. Your father was a hero in Vietnam. I mean, that's how far back he went. So what did you bring him as a younger voice?

[Alex DeMille]

Well, the characters that we feature in these three books, Scott Brody and Maggie Taylor, are in their 30s. So their. Their life experience. They're both combat veterans. Their life experiences were closer to him, but their age or generation was more in line with me. So I think I brought a little bit of a younger voice and kind of a different perspective on how a male, female team, professionals working together, might interact with each other and what might have been okay in the 80s, and that maybe it sort of doesn't work quite the same way today with younger characters.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, I know someone called me one time who was furious because they took out. The publisher, took out some of the references that he had in dialogue. They said, oh, you can't say that about. I think it was Chinese people. So you. And he was like, all right, it's the way they talk. This is the way to. You know, come on. And I said, listen, Nelson, calm down. Let your son handle this kind of stuff.

[Alex DeMille]

Well, the funny thing, the example, yeah, the example you're talking about is that was the villains. He's like, the villains are being racist and saying racist stuff, but you still don't, you don't want it in here.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Which, yeah, it's crazy, right?

[Alex DeMille]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm so obnoxious that, you know, and he called me because he knows that, you know, I never change anything, no matter what the publisher says. But you know, you could do that when you're selling more non fiction books. Anybody in the world. Your book, this Tin Man I'm in the middle of it is a mystery, all right, and it's fun and people will like it. But I like to read fiction where I learn something. So what am I going to learn in Tinman?

[Alex DeMille]

I think you'll probably hopefully learn what I learned, which was the role that autonomous weaponry and AI and robotics plays and might continue to play in the military. There's a lot of interesting thinking on this right now. And you know what, how much are you allowed to take a human out of the loop in any of these kind of weapon systems? For instance, obviously this is a thriller and things go wrong, but you want to look at how things are actually supposed to go and kind of the kind of official thinking about how they can integrate these things and the role that AI currently plays and might play in the future. So that's definitely some of the themes I was exploring.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, so it's new weaponry and that's big because we're in a race with China, to some extent Russia to develop these unbelievable weapons now where you wouldn't need the infantry very much anymore except for specialized operations. So you're honing in on that. All right, Alex, look, we wish you the best. The novel is called the Tin Men. You can order it now on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, all of that. And you know, you're having ever bestseller, I can almost guarantee that. And we really appreciate you coming on, Alex. And if you need anything, as I said, let me know. Okay?

[Colby Hall]

I appreciate that.

[Alex DeMille]

Thank you, Bill. Thanks for having me.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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