← Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis
Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis
No Spin News - Weekend Edition - September 13, 2025
00:40:02
Loading summary
Transcript96 lines
- [00:01]
Progressive Insurance Announcer
This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible financial geniuses, monetary magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states or situations.
- [00:30]
Bill O'Reilly
Welcome to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.
- [00:35]
So at this point, the Trump administration has lost some momentum. However, next week interest rates will probably be cut. That could provide a storm surge for Trump. I don't know if it will. Nobody can predict these things. The tariffs a little bit further out could go either way. And that's the memo. Joining us now is a economist who's, you know, he's on it. It's a pro Trump guy, Steve Moore. He's the co founder of Unleash Prosperity. I get his stuff every day and it's worth reading, that's for sure. In my analysis, am I making any mistakes?
- [01:19]
Steve Moore
Mr. Moore, hi, Bill. Great to be with you. Thanks so much for having me on. Great admirer of yours. I think he got most of the story right as a Trump guy. If I were a Trump political guy, I advise him a little bit on economics, I would be worried about those numbers. Now, remember, one thing that skews these numbers is that the country is, as you've reported and everyone knows, is so polarized today that, you know, Trump could, could start world peace. He could find a cure for cancer. He could, you know, create 10 million jobs. And still about half the country would still say they oppose him. Just as under Biden, you know, half of the country was opposed to everything he was doing. So that's why I take a little bit of these polls with a grain of salt. But it is worrisome. You're right. And I think you diagnosed the problem. Well, that the biggest thing that people are concerned about and I have a one person sample and that's my wife who says every time I come home you got to do something about grocery prices. And people are angry about it. And they went way up under Biden and they've stayed high under Trump. So that is, is something people are very worried about because they go to the store, you know, two or three or four times a week. Now, I would say that one thing is going to provide some big relief is what you mentioned at the end, which is energy, energy prices, gas prices are coming down and many areas of the country were below $3 a gallon when they were as high as $5 a gallon a few years ago. So that's something that people pay attention to as well, and that, that is a result of, of Trump's drill, baby, drill policies. You increase the supply of something, the price goes down.
- [02:58]
Bill O'Reilly
Okay. Is there anything that any president can do about lowering food prices, or is it just the marketplace that has to do that?
- [03:10]
Steve Moore
Yeah, that's a good question. I think it's the marketplace. One of the things that's really curious, Bill, and I don't have an answer to this, but I'll just raise it as an issue. If you talk to farmers lately, they don't feel like they're doing very well, the farmers. They're complaining.
- [03:24]
Bill O'Reilly
They always complain.
- [03:26]
Steve Moore
What's that?
- [03:27]
Bill O'Reilly
They always complain. Yeah, I've never, I've never ever. And I love the farmers, you know, but they always complain now.
- [03:36]
Steve Moore
And so you have prices at the grocery store are going up, and yet farmers are saying they're not doing any better. So where's the money going?
- [03:44]
Bill O'Reilly
The transportation companies and the food companies. Food companies, Margin of profit. Okay. The big food companies, it's up. They're not hurting. That's where the money's going. But I don't see, you know, Nixon, as you know, being an economic scholar, tried wage price controls. Disaster.
- [04:04]
Steve Moore
Didn't work.
- [04:04]
Bill O'Reilly
Can't do it. So when Donald Trump says, I'm going to bring down food prices, he's raising expectations to a level that he can't be. Am I wrong?
- [04:16]
Steve Moore
I don't think he should have said that. What he should have said is, I'm going to stabilize food prices. And to a large extent, he has done that. I mean, look, the overall inflation rate in the economy, which had reached as high as 9% under, under Joe Biden, is now running at, you know, 2.6, 2.7%. That I'd like to see that down below two and a half percent. I'd like to see it closer to 2%. But it's, it's, you know, it's in a range that you can live with. Now, one thing to think about, if people are concerned about high prices, then is this the right time to be cutting interest rates? Because cutting interest rates puts more money in the economy. I'm a little nervous about that. When Trump says, let's cut interest rates by 200 basis points, people be careful of what you wish for, Mr. President. You flood the economy with that much money. You know, what are. It's going to. What is inflation? We learned this from Milton. Well, he's hoping too many dollars chasing too few goods.
- [05:08]
Bill O'Reilly
So he.
- [05:08]
Steve Moore
But he's hoping that may not be a great idea.
- [05:11]
Bill O'Reilly
But here's what he's hoping for. He's hoping that the interest rate cut will stimulate job creation and get the job market moving again so that people would be earning more money. That's what the tariff thing's all about. He wants the American people to earn more money because that's what happened in his first term. So that's why he's doing it. I don't oppose that. But here's the last question for you. This issue is everything for Donald Trump, far more than Ukraine and Gaza and even China. China's unbelievably serious. But this issue is coming to a head in the midterm elections, 14 months. And if the White House is not able to present a vastly improving economic situation, they risk losing Congress, one or both houses. That's the urgency.
- [06:12]
Steve Moore
Yeah, Well, I agree with what you just said. It is the economy stupid. And look, I'm very bullish. You're talking to one of the most bullish guys out there. I like a lot what Trump is doing. I'm not a big fan of the terrorists, but I like these trade deals. I think he's going to get a better deal with some of these countries. He's already gotten commitments of hundreds of billions of dollars. He says trillions, but I'm going to say hundreds of billions of dollars of new investment in the United States that will create a lot of jobs. We have completely secured the border. We've got down 94% in terms of illegal immigration, as I mentioned, low gas prices, a record high stock market. And people are feeling, you know, just better about stuff. So I think good times are here to come.
- [06:54]
Bill O'Reilly
All right, Steve, you know, for everybody, I hope you're right. It's not a political play. I want all Americans to have, have better lives. And you need money to do that. There's no doubt about it.
- [07:08]
You're listening to the no Spa News Weekend Edition.
- [07:12]
Now, there's a reporter in Chicago, an independent guy, his name William Kelly. He's a freelance journalist and he knows the city as well as anybody. You know, he used to be a reporter named Mike Royko in Chicago, and he knew everything. And Royko's deceased. Now, Kelly pretty much knows as much as Royko and Kelly is. He's like me. He's confrontational. Just want to play you a little tape of him going up against a previous mayor, Lori Lightfoot, who was as incompetent as it gets. Roll it.
- [07:45]
William J. Kelly
Pairing last night's 30 plus shootings to last year when we had an out of control race riot in which almost every member of the city of Chicago was in fact a victim. Seems to be playing with those numbers.
- [08:00]
Steve Moore
Just a little bit.
- [08:01]
William J. Kelly
Last night, I think you were on Chicago Tonight, you said that 99.9% of the criticism of you is because you're a black woman. Do you honestly believe that?
- [08:14]
Bill O'Reilly
All right, just for asking that question, Mr. Kelly lost his press credentials. Took him years to get him back. He joins us now from the Windy City. You can find him on X at William J. Kelly. All right, so what I want to do here with you is most people don't live in Chicago. They've never even visited Chicago. It's astounding the resistance that is in play against adding a protective measure that would help poor African Americans under siege by drug gangs. How did that happen?
- [08:55]
William J. Kelly
God bless you, brother. First of all, according to the British, two Irishmen talking to each other as grounds for. It's a hangable offense. So. So just so you know, but you know, it is really hypocrisy at the highest degree.
- [09:12]
Patrick Brown
The.
- [09:13]
William J. Kelly
The elected officials in Illinois, from Pritzker, who has presidential ambitions, as I'm sure you know, and Mayor Johnson, they welcomed the National Guard to protect the mega donors at the DNC in Chicago, the Democrat National Convention, as you know. But they, they for whatever reason think that it would be a threat to democracy for the National Guard to defend defenseless women and children who are being attacked on a regular basis. President, President Pritzker, excuse me, I'm. I'm getting ahead of myself. But you know, Governor Pritzker's signature legislation is something called the Safety act that allows violent repeat offenders back out on the street with no bail, cashless bail.
- [10:04]
Bill O'Reilly
What is his rationale for pushing that? Why does he want that? What is his explanation? I want violent criminals back on the street. Let's face it, the US Economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax advantaged gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401, tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered thousands of five star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text BILL to 998999. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k, tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered, thousands of five star reviews and an A plus from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text Bill to 998-899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text Bill to 998-899.
- [12:27]
William J. Kelly
Well, he's not a dumb man, so there must be. He must think that he's a billionaire businessman. He believes that he will be the next President of the United States of America. Women are walking. This is happening on almost a daily basis now. Women are walking down the street and getting punched in the face by violent repeat offenders, many of whom are illegal aliens. They're not in this country legally. Irina Zarutska is. You know, this is happened in Chicago already.
- [13:01]
Bill O'Reilly
Okay, but we all know that, William. We all, we all know the atrocities. But again, what is Pritzker put forth as a rationale, a justification for his soft on crime policy? Does he explain it ever?
- [13:17]
William J. Kelly
Well, I seem to be the only reporter I thank God I got my media credential back after Lightfoot revoked it. And I go to the press conferences and I ask the questions. I just recently asked him a question about an illegal alien named Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez, if you can believe it. I don't know if that's, you know, that's the name he goes by who was arrested for concealing, and I hate to say it, abusing the body of an Illinois mother of two. But he was released, okay? He was released, if you can believe it, under Pritzker's safety act. So what is the rationale? I don't.
- [14:01]
Bill O'Reilly
Pritzker doesn't answer that question. He dodges the question.
- [14:05]
William J. Kelly
He won't answer my questions. I'll keep asking though.
- [14:09]
Bill O'Reilly
All right? I mean, look, I'm looking. I know. I know what it is. Pritzker panders to a very liberal audience that believes that the United States is a bad country, a racist country and forces people to commit crimes. That's pretty much what it is. Now, I believe if Pritzker was running for reelection tomorrow in Illinois and Johnson in Chicago, they would both win again, despite all this violence and terror, despite the opposition to the National Guard, they would win. What does that tell the nation about the voters of Illinois and Chicago?
- [14:49]
William J. Kelly
Well, it might tell him something about the ineffective Illinois Republican Party, but thank God we do have a president who wants to send the National Guard, who has sent Homeland Security. And I can just say it right now on this platform that if President Trump really wanted to completely upend the incompetent and corrupt system in Illinois, all he would have to do is direct his DOJ to do essentially an Operation Greylord 2.0. Graylord was Ronald Reagan's, I think it was the FBI DOJ investigation into the corrupt practices in the Cook County Circuit Court.
- [15:39]
Bill O'Reilly
But it's all, it's always been that way in Chicago. You know, back to Mayor Daleyza. All right, William, I gotta let you go because we got a million breaking news things going on. But I want you to, and we'd like to get this on tape the next time you talk to Pritzker or Johnson, say, and you can say, look, I'm asking this for Bill O'Reilly, which will, you know, of course, still start to shake. What is the rationale? Why don't you want more protection for the poor African Americans that are being murdered? That's all. Keep it really short and pithy. And if you get that sound bite, I'll play it. We appreciate your time tonight. Thank you.
- [16:18]
This is the no Spin News Weekend edition.
- [16:22]
Joining us now from Columbia, South Carolina, capital of the state, is Patrick Brown. He is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. That's a conservative group think tank based in D.C. why do you think younger Americans in particular are souring on capitalism, which has been proven over and over and over again to be the way to lift yourself from poverty, from working class status into affluence? What has changed?
- [16:55]
Patrick Brown
Well, capitalism definitely has a PR problem. There's no doubt about it. When you look at the polling, the young people today, they do have that hesitancy. They hear capitalism and they think not the Bill O'Reilly of the 1970s, scrapping his way to become, you know, who he became, but of a big healthcare CEO, denying coverage to somebody who they saw on social media or trying to get on the ladder themselves and feeling like it's just impossible to start a family or buy a house. I think those are some of the concerns that people have. And so when they, when you ask them, do you like capitalism? They're comparing it in their head to some sort of ideal other system. They're not thinking of the Soviet Union or even the high tax rates that someone like presumptive mayor of New York, perhaps Mamdani, would propose. They're thinking about, well, I would love to have capitalism that works a little bit better for me in my circumstance in life.
- [17:47]
Bill O'Reilly
But isn't that stupidity? So it takes a while to amass assets. It takes years to do it. When I first started out, I rented an apartment. I didn't have enough money to buy a house. Couldn't put a down payment on a house. I had to buy a used car. Okay. I mean, but I accepted it. That's how you start. And then I put. Put off a family because I knew I couldn't afford a family and then try to, you know, stairs up a career. So isn't it stupidity or naivete or something? Now are these people that dumb? They don't understand that it takes time to build affluence?
- [18:27]
Patrick Brown
I think naivete might be a good word for it. I think you look at the rising age of first. First time people get married is now in their 30s. First time having a kid. It's Rosen. Tremendously since the early 70s, late 70s, people are delaying these milestones in life much later than they used to. Part of that's because that sense that it's just harder to get on the treadmill maybe than it used to be. Part of it is because we're a richer country now, right? And people are on their phones or watching Netflix and they see what, wow, that's a beautiful house. That's my ideal of what a house needs to look like for me to be able to buy it. Well, that's not affordable for, you know, somebody in their 20s. But the, the, the hedonic treadmill keeps pushing us up where. It's where we.
- [19:08]
Bill O'Reilly
Patrick, wait a minute. Remember that show? Lifestyles that are Rich and Famous with dopey Robin Leach. Remember that? Remember that show? Okay, it's the same thing. I saw that show. Oh, hello. I'm out here. I mean, yeah, I'm not an idiot. I mean, I'm 27. I know I can't afford it, but maybe when I'm 40, I can. The unrealistic expectations, not only younger Americans, but a lot across the board that they think that everything's going to Work out. Yeah. Bad health companies, bad insurance companies all day long. But you fight it. That's why I opened up the concierge membership to billo reilly.com so when you get hosed, I'll help you fight it. But you can win most of those fights. But if you go to Canada, just socialize medicine, socialize this, socialize that. You want a knee transplant, you can't get one, we'll give you 16 years from now, you go over to Britain, try to get your teeth fixed in Great Britain, good luck to you.
- [20:17]
Patrick Brown
They might offer you assisted suicide instead.
- [20:20]
Bill O'Reilly
But yeah, right.
- [20:21]
Patrick Brown
Definitely a sense where people are not thinking about the real life alternatives. Right again, yeah, Canada.
- [20:27]
Bill O'Reilly
But why aren't they, they have to.
- [20:29]
Patrick Brown
Pay for it for sure. It's a lot higher tax rates. The government gets way more involved in people's lives than I think even the most die hard supporters of Bernie Sanders would ever want. And so there, there is some resetting of expectations that I would agree with you, that would be helpful. But also, look, we spend $7 on seniors for every one that we do on kids and families from the federal level. It's fair to say, hey, look, let's think about the ways that we've stacked the deck in favor of long term homeowners. Instead of people getting out, getting just started in life, let's build more housing, make the cost of living more affordable. I think those are some of the political things we can do to kind of tamp down some of this resilience.
- [21:06]
Bill O'Reilly
All right, but that's local and state, okay? Capitalism is a global economic system. I don't object to anybody in any state or any county putting up housing that's affordable. I think it's a good thing. Okay? But capitalism itself requires an understanding. And I think the public school system, this is the key to. It doesn't teach that they don't know these kids. They, they come out with all of this unrealistic expectation that I'm going to have this, I'm going to have that. Why does somebody have it, I don't have it. That kind of a thing. You got to work hard for it. That's why America is a great country. It's built on the backs of the working class that wanted to move up and was willing to make the sacrifice. These kids just want it handed to them. They're spoiled and this is what they're taught in school. You deserve this. You don't have it because society's evil. The corrupt billionaires, that kind of garbage, they're Being lied to. But these Americans who want socialism and reject capitalism, they want to believe this stuff not based on any reality.
- [22:22]
Patrick Brown
There's definitely an element to that. And there was a law passed in Ohio, I think last year or the year before that actually required high school students to learn the fundamentals of just basic economic supply, demand, why these things work the way they do. I think that's a great idea. It would also help if businesses kind of step back from trying to be social justice warriors like we saw during the COVID era, where everybody had the flags and the rainbows and the, you know, Black Lives Matter type stuff. I think that also kind of poisons the. Well, what are companies actually for? Are they for delivering services and making life more affordable? Are they trying to play cultural influencer? That's probably also some part of the aspect as well.
- [22:58]
Bill O'Reilly
Yeah. And there are good and bad corporations. All right. I've worked for both. Corporations are rotten, awful, terrible, greedy. And I've also operated in a benign atmosphere. Hey, Patrick, really appreciate your time. Thanks for helping us out.
- [23:17]
You're listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition.
- [23:21]
Charlie Kirk headed an organization that targeted younger people for robust debate. Mr. Kirk was a traditional conservative, said some controversial things. So what? I say controversial things every hour on the hour. That's his constitutional right. I do believe he was murdered because he did say things that some loon mentally ill person. That's my belief. If I'm wrong, I will tell you, but I think that's what's going to be borne out. Interestingly enough, one of our guests recently is a man named Dr. Owen Anderson. He teaches at Arizona State University. He was the advisor. Hi, I'm Jim.
- [24:07]
William J. Kelly
I'm not an actor, just a guy.
- [24:09]
Bill O'Reilly
Living with prostate cancer. My wife and I face each day head on. We asked my doctor about xtandi.
- [24:16]
Xtandi Commercial Voice
Enzalutamide xtandi, 40mg tablets Treats Men with prostate cancer that has spread to other parts of the body and responds to a medical or surgical treatment to lower testosterone. Xtandi may cause serious side seizure, a brain condition called press, allergic reactions, heart disease that can lead to death, falls and bone fractures, swallowing problems or choking that can lead to death. Stop Xtandi and get medical help at once. If your face, tongue, lift, lip or throat start swelling, tell your doctor at once if you faint, have a seizure quickly worsening headache, decreased alertness, confusion, vision problems, chest pain or discomfort or shortness of breath. Xtandi can cause harm to an unborn baby or miscarriage. Use birth control during and three Months after Xtandi. Common side effects include muscle and joint pain, feeling unusually tired, hot flashes, constipation, less appetite, diarrhea, high blood pressure, bleeding, falls, fractures, and headache.
- [25:03]
Bill O'Reilly
Visit xtandi.com to watch my story.
- [25:08]
Ashley Graham
I'm Ashley Graham, and as a parent, I know the back to school transition can be a lot when it comes to wellness. Ollie supports me and my family through it all. Kids multi is big in my house. It supports their immune system and they love to take it. A win, win for everyone. Shop these products@ollie.com or retailers nationwide. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, trust, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
- [25:37]
Bill O'Reilly
To Charlie Kirk's organization on ASU campus, and he knew Mr. Kirk, and he joins us now from the college from Phoenix. All right, so your role for Turning Point USA was what, at Arizona State?
- [26:00]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Yeah. So every student club needs a student advice, a faculty advisor. So I serve that role for tpusa, and I'm one of very few professors who would do it. The students had a hard time finding a faculty advisor, which is rare, but it shows you the climate at ASU and I think really is a window into the spiritual condition of our universities.
- [26:23]
Bill O'Reilly
All right, now, you knew Mr. Kirk. You had dialogue with him?
- [26:28]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Yeah, we'd met at several of the events that he holds. And just a great guy. I mean, my heart's been breaking so sorrowful for his wife and children. And just as you said, classical conservative, he loved to debate. And what I've been thinking of him as is he's the American Socrates. He would go to our universities and he would debate anybody. He would answer and ask questions. And the students loved it. I mean, even if they thought they disagreed with him, they still flocked to his events. And his events were packed. And that's partly because the students that love to debate weren't getting that in their classrooms. They're not allowed to question the ideologies that reign in our state universities. But Charlie Kerr gave them the opportunity to have those kinds of debates.
- [27:14]
Bill O'Reilly
Now, as a faculty advisor for Turning Point and the fact that you know Mr. Kirk, you knew him, the reaction from your peers, the other teachers at ASU was what?
- [27:29]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Well, ASU and faculty have been pretty quiet as of yesterday, but the students made the call with TPUSA and with me to cancel the event last night. They have a regular meeting every week out of safety concerns. And for me, this really raises a much larger problem because the hate that's been aimed by Faculty members at ASU toward Kirk specifically is monstrous.
- [27:57]
Bill O'Reilly
Can you give me an example of that? Can you give me some specifics on that?
- [28:01]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Yeah. So in 2023, Charlie Kirk was going to host an event with Dennis Prager at ASU's Honors College. And the Honors College professors, I think it was 37 out of 41. So not, not every single one, but the vast majority wrote a letter to their dean protesting Charlie Kirk speaking at the college. And they called him a bigoted white nationalist who spreads hate and attacks people. From the letter, you get the impression that he goes to campuses to wrestle with people because if he goes there and has a rational discussion, they consider that attacking. And so the event was no longer allowed to be held at that college.
- [28:40]
Bill O'Reilly
Who made that decision? Who made the decision to cancel the event at the college?
- [28:44]
Dr. Owen Anderson
I believe it was the dean of the Honors College.
- [28:46]
Bill O'Reilly
And so he, he folded to this faculty letter. Did the people who wrote, signed the letter, did they give you an example of Charlie Kirk's quote, unquote, hate?
- [28:59]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Yeah, they, they, they had a number of. And this, this is on the Internet, so it's available as public information. But they gave another number of examples of his hate. And all of them came from far left wing media sources, like Media Matters.
- [29:12]
Bill O'Reilly
Right.
- [29:12]
Dr. Owen Anderson
So they just listed. And these are research professors who say they treat students. You got to do good research. And their example of research is Media Matters.
- [29:22]
Bill O'Reilly
The prevailing Wisdom today at ASU is on a scale of 1 to 10, how progressive is the faculty at Arizona State University? 10 being off the chart progressive.
- [29:40]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Off the chart progressive. We had required employee training to teach us about the problems of whiteness, and we have classes on anti whiteness. And they'll say, well, that's just a technical term in the scholarly literature, but that's not what it communicates.
- [29:57]
Bill O'Reilly
Well, you shouldn't have it anyway. Skin color should not be an academic subject. That's ridiculous. All right, so then the final question is, you got a guy like Charlie Kirk, he's very successful. He's mobilizing traditional and conservative students, younger people. He's obviously a Trump supporter. He helps Donald Trump get elected for the second term. He then becomes a target. Do you believe that he was targeted for that activism or, or was it just some rhetoric? That something he said?
- [30:33]
Dr. Owen Anderson
Well, the examples I have from faculty are targeting him for that rhetoric. They, they say if you give an argument to suggest that the, that John Money's sexual philosophy is false, then you're attacking students. They use that language. And if you're a student and you're hearing your professors tell you that a person's coming to campus to attack you. That's very vitriolic language that puts a lot of fear into the students. But it's not what he did. We all know what he did because his videos are all over social media and students aren't.
- [31:04]
Bill O'Reilly
Look, you don't have to agree with Charlie Kirk to know that whoever killed him is an evil SOB that's undermining our Constitution. And I mean, that's it. There's no two sides to the story. But I don't think, and you correct me if I'm wrong, that even after this terrible occurrence that any of the radical progressives who are teaching at Arizona State University will change their opinion at all. I don't think they will.
- [31:31]
Dr. Owen Anderson
No. We've seen that with the executive orders in the spring against teaching dei. They simply rename those same ideas and keep doing it so no one's minds are changed. If anything, they'll just pivot to saying this is because of guns and try to keep ideology and then hateful language out of it.
- [31:48]
Bill O'Reilly
All right, doctor, we appreciate it very much. Thank you.
- [31:53]
This is the no Spin news Weekend Edition.
- [31:57]
Now after Charlie Kirk was shot, one hour, just one hour, MSNBC loaded up a show anchored by Katie Tur t u r another radical leftist, okay, with all kinds of anti conservative and traditional people. One of them is named Matthew Dowd. One hour after Kirk was shot, here's what he said. Go.
- [32:28]
Patrick Brown
He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which then lead to hateful actions.
- [32:49]
Bill O'Reilly
See blaming Kirk for his own assassination. So Dow was fired. Comcast had to fire him. Had to. But is anybody surprised you? Anybody answer is no. There are far right cranks too. I have to mention that Oklahoma City bombing, okay, but they're heavily outnumbered in the year 2025 by progressive hate, in my humble opinion. Joining us now is Heather McDonald. You know, she is, she's at the Manhattan Institute. She joins us from Irvine, California. You've written a lot extensively about this and that's why I want to get you on. You are conservative upfront with everybody. You don't like the progressive movement. I never really thought the View was a threat. MSNBC a little bit more heightened there, but I didn't make me that queasy. But maybe I was wrong. In the wake of what happened to Charlie Kirk, how do you see it?
- [34:05]
Progressive Insurance Announcer
This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Between two factor authentication, strong passwords and a VPN, you try to be in control of how your info is protected. But many other places also have it, and they might not be as careful. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats. If your identity is stolen, they'll fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com podcast for 40% off. Terms apply.
- [34:35]
Patrick Brown
Recently we asked some people about sharing their New York Times accounts.
- [34:39]
Heather McDonald
My name is Dana. I am a subscriber to the New York Times, but my husband isn't. And it would be really nice to be able to share a recipe or an article or compete with him in wordle or connections.
- [34:52]
Patrick Brown
Thank you, Dana. We heard you introducing the New York Times Family subscription. One subscription, up to four separate logins for anyone in your life. Find out more@nytimes.com family.
- [35:06]
Heather McDonald
Well, we've learned that even Utah Valley University is not immune from the cancer of anti Westernism, the cancer of student ignorance, of student narcissism. Before Kirk was going to speak, There were nearly 7,000 signatories to a petition articulating just the philosophy of Matthew Dowd, that somehow speech equals violence. That, that.
- [35:30]
Bill O'Reilly
Where was that petition launched? Who did that?
- [35:35]
Heather McDonald
Well, I assume it was a Utah Valley University. You know, the usual online petitions.
- [35:44]
Bill O'Reilly
All right, so at the school, 7,000 people, nobody knows who they are, signed a petition that Mr. Kirk shouldn't speak there because he's a hater. That's what happened.
- [35:57]
Heather McDonald
Right. And so this ideology that Dowd is talking about is coming out of campuses. It's the completely specious connection between speech that disagrees with the elite consensus about race, about white supremacy, about the optional nature of gender, about the unqualified rights of foreigners to enter the United States without any objection from citizens living here, that that equals hate speech, and that somehow, preposterously, students are put at risk from words that they don't like. And that view that this is hate and hate equals violence, then switches to its opposite, which is that violence is justified against violence. So the universities, you know, I'm grateful that Trump is going after them, but it can't happen soon enough because they are the source of a complete rejection of what has been the founding ideals, ones that we didn't always live up to. There's been a lot of violations of free speech, speech in American history and British History. But, but we got pretty close to the ideal before the student narcissism took over.
- [37:24]
Bill O'Reilly
Well, this is a Marxist play, as you know, Heather, in Russia, when they depose the czar. And I had that in confronting evil, what Stalin did, it was like if you oppose communism, you oppose the people. You're hating the people, okay? And so we can execute you, we can kill you, because you're hating the people. And that's been in play since 1917. All right. I mean, so all this is, is just gussied up for the American university system right now. Yesterday they released a list of the worst colleges for freedom of speech. Harvard isn't on it. It won the last two years. But, you know, because Trump has really taken him to the woodshed, to use a cliche. Harvard, stop. But Boston College, a Jesuit run school, I think is number five. You know, you can't say anything that they don't like. And it's a progressive school. And so if you say anything against progressives, then you're committing a hate crime. And that's the bowl that Charlie Kirk was put into. Absolutely right. He disagreed with the progressive approach to politics and life. He spread that word. I thought he did it in a responsible way. Although some of the stuff that he said was pretty volatile. But some of the stuff I say is pretty volatile. Okay, so he was killed because of. He's a martyr. And I don't know if there's any true remorse. I'm watching the View today. I go, I don't know about this. So I don't know if this is ever going to get any better. Do you think it will improve now that this atrocity has been exposed?
- [39:19]
Heather McDonald
No, I don't think so. And every side is going to be saying if their guy, you know, if somebody from allegedly their side commits some, some atrocious act, they will always say, and the right will do this too. This is an individual act. It's not a product of ideology. We should be allowed to make our arguments. We're never literally advocating violence. And I'm sure the left feels the same way. We're not responsible for this guy. And you know, it's easy to mouth the bromides about we gotta tone things down and remember the things that unite Americans. I'm thinking, well, what are those at this point? Like, if we don't even agree that there's such things as males and females or that, you know, children that, that have no risk of, of dying from COVID should not be put in masks and prevented from interacting with their peers. If we can't agree on that, I don't know what the heck we do.
- [40:12]
Bill O'Reilly
Well, I agree with you. We're at a divisive state that rivals the Civil War. There's no doubt about it. All right, Heather, we really appreciate your point of view, as always. I do believe that things are going to improve a little now because people are starting to lock in and, you know, hopefully you'll, you'll pick up Confronting Evil and understand how this route, how it grows, because it's really growing fast in America.
- [40:38]
Thank you for listening to the no Spin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the no spin news, visit billoriley.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's billowrily.com sign up and start watching today.