Mark Halperin (12:22)

And Harvard.

Bill O'Reilly (12:23)

And then I work local news in. In Boston at the CBS and ABC affiliates. So I love the town, even though it's crazy left. I mean, it's just a great place. It's not great right now in early February. It's a little chilly, but so is Long island where I am right now. Okay? So I like the Super Bowl. I like the whole thing because it brings people together. Now you got a Bad Bunny situation where this guy gets a music award and he goes off on ice and okay, fine. The malevolent rabbit doesn't like ice, okay? But if he starts that in a Super bowl show, halftime show gonna be problems. I know for a fact that the National Football League has told Bad Bunnies record label and management that better not happen. Now. What can they do? It's live. They can't do anything other than pull Bad Bunny's mic. And they're not going to do that. But very serious conversations have taken place that. Just sing the songs. We don't want a divisive political situation develop at halftime, which makes perfect sense because the worthiness of this. And I. I'm a capitalist, no doubt. But I don't like price gougers at all in any way. So I think that's perverting. Capitalism, healthy profit. Fine. Gouging. No. But anyway, the game brings people together not only in the stadium, but all over the world. People get parties and they go around, they have a good time and all of that. So it's very positive in my opinion, the whole thing. We have on billor.com a very interesting interview with Joe Namath. Super Bowl 3, biggest upset in super bowl history. And Namath is a friend of mine. He's just a great guy, 82 years old and he takes you us inside. The tremendous pressure on the players and really what happens, okay, it's fascinating. That's billoriley.com just go there.

Mark Halperin (14:56)

Boom.

Bill O'Reilly (14:56)

You don't have to join anything. It's there. Final thing, the Seattle Seahawks have better skilled players than the New England Patriots. Pitchers are very young team. Okay. Now again, I'm Boston guy, so I gotta root for them. But the Patriots can't match up with the Seahawks in skill positions. And the Seahawks are faster, they run faster, they're a faster team. However, it's all on Sam Darnold, the quarterback for the Seahawks. If he plays as well as he did against the Rams to get to the game, gonna be tough for New England to win. Donald was really on it, throws a nice ball. But if the Patriots who are fierce under Rabel, the coach, they smash him in the head and they're getting in there and Donald waivers, anything could happen.

Mark Halperin (16:04)

Tough bet.

Bill O'Reilly (16:05)

You guys are going to bet. Boy, oh boy. One or two turnovers, everything blows up.

Mark Simone (16:14)

We bring in the man who first truly understood the immigration debate and the culture war, Bill O'Reilly, host of the no Spin News. Billoriley.com Bill, it is good to see you as always. 20 years later, has anything materially changed in the immigration debate?

Bill O'Reilly (16:31)

No. It's good to see me waxing my friend Roaldo Rivera 19 years ago. And just so people don't understand what that debate was about, we were talking about criminal aliens. We were talking about people who were allowed in this country who killed Americans. And the case that was Geraldo and I were speaking about was a drunk driving case. The guy should not have been here. Intoxicated kills an American. Geraldo goes, no, it's not fair to point that out because you're demonizing the peaceful people, which is exactly where we are today. I thought this was all going to end when Barack Obama became President because Mr. Obama, as we've run on NewsNation and other networks, was very, very against the open borders and amnesty for undocumented migrants. He made it quite clear that was not going to happen under his term. Not a peep from the Democratic Party, no dissent, nothing. In fact, about 39 people died in federal custody. Immigrants died on the Obama watch. 39, I want to correct you, I.

Mark Simone (17:40)

Think that number's 53.

Bill O'Reilly (17:42)

But yes, well, what I'm saying is direct, Lee, and there's a lot of indirect stuff, but whatever the number may be, it was, it was high. And Barack Obama criticized when he separated, when he separated families, and he got a little criticism for that, but not a lot. So then you flash forward to Donald Trump and it's not about illegal immigration any longer. It's about finding an issue that will deliver the midterms to the Democrats. And the Democrats believe that the economy is a little too wobbly now. It could go Trump's way, gas prices are coming down, all of that. But this one with the ice, you can see it on television. There is brutality, there are mistakes being made. But step back. When you're hunting between 10 and 15 million people, they're going to be mistakes. And people don't understand between a judicial warrant and a government warrant. They don't know that many of these so called peaceful migrants, non criminal violence, have not shown up for their hearings. They don't know that. They don't know anything because the media doesn't report it. But the Democrats right now believe that they have an issue that will give them the midterms and they're going to slam it. And that's what's going on with Epstein, too. They're fervently praying that something will arise from all of this Epstein thing so they can ram it down Trump's throat. And that's where we are in the news cycle. Isn't it pitiful? It really is pitiful.

Mark Simone (19:19)

Well, it's also sad. I don't think anything's going to come out of the Epstein files either way. We actually have some new reporting you won't hear anywhere other than News Nation coming up in the next block on Epstein. But I think if we just stick on this immigration debate, the obvious point would be, and I think I made this at the end of the monologue, is that there is a solution. Barack Obama, I guess, could have had some kind of immigration reform. I almost said comprehensive immigration reform, which was what George W. Bush started saying back in the early 2000s. I was still in college. But then you go through Obama, Trump comes in in 2017, there was not really a huge push to come up with some kind of compromise. I think what you're saying is that my monologue was right is that for both sides, this was a great issue. For Republicans in 2024, it's going to be what Democrats think is a great issue in 2026, that immigration is far more of a culture war issue that never is going to be solved than a policy issue that both sides should want to bring help to the American people on.

Bill O'Reilly (20:25)

You could certainly have Congress pass new immigration legislation, and it's way overdue. In 1952 is the last one. Cuomo makes this point fairly often that both parties issue basically to their congresspeople and to their supporters, financial supporters. They issue bullet points, guidelines, and there is no push on the part of either party to get fair legislation into the House and Senate. None. The sticking point for the Republicans and Bush the younger got waxed on this, he got blown out on this, is amnesty. They don't want it, they won't vote for it. And then if you say, well, we're going to give the migrants this, they go, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. On the Democratic side, it's changed a little bit. So under Obama, it was, okay, enforce immigration law. We won't have sanctuary cities, we don't need that. But let's be humane. Okay, that's not a bad policy. But that has changed drastically. Now, the far left that runs the Democratic Party says, no, everybody here, okay, stays. Unless they commit a crime, everybody stays. And with that kind of no amnesty to everybody stays, you're never going to get a deal, right? No.

Mark Simone (21:48)

And there's no incentive for some kind of compromise, right? Because the fundraising in the way our primary system now is, if God forbid, anybody on either side offers to compromise, then they're gonna get taken out by the extremes of their parties. I just wanna acknowledge you were saying that I made the point better than Cuomo did. Right. Okay, thank you.

Bill O'Reilly (22:09)

Immigration is whose show I'm on.

Mark Simone (22:12)

Okay, thank you, Bill. Immigration is a top issue for voters. And I think this is an important point, Right. Immigration ranks second only to the economy. You figured this out in 2005, right? Why is immigration, what is it a proxy for that has something that is so visceral for people, that is so emotional for people. And does that mean that no one's willing to compromise?

Bill O'Reilly (22:44)

Conservative, traditional Americans like the country the way it was in 1965? Yeah, I'm writing about that in my new book, Confronting America. They don't want a vast change where foreign nationals dominate the elections, the economy, whatever it may be. They want fair immigration. You go through the process, certainly immigrants, everyone. Hussein will admit have contributed tremendously to this country. But the traditional conservative American doesn't want to be flooded. They don't want the zone flooded. Right. So that's the skepticism there. Biden destroyed any kind of compromise by his open border policy, which was so outrageous, so many people got hurt. Will be dealing with the repercussions of that for decades. Now. They're dug in. They're dug in on the conservative side now, the liberal side.

Mark Simone (23:48)

I think they're dug in. Dug in on the Republican side. On the Democratic side too. Right. You know, if you have the whole Grammys coalescing around fight ice.

Bill O'Reilly (23:57)

Yeah. But a good Democratic leader could undig them conservatives. You're never going to dig them out.

Mark Simone (24:06)

Is that the liberals can be undig.

Bill O'Reilly (24:10)

Extracted from their transient position. Because when you look at it, if you are going to allow every human being. And this is the beef I have with the Pope, all right, you cannot allow every persecuted poor human being in the world to come to the land of opportunity. You can't here in New York City, in California. Right. But let me make one more point. Let me make this point. California elected Ronald Reagan twice. Eight years of Ronald Reagan as governor never could have had today. Why? Because of all the new mostly foreign voters who want government assistance. Reagan was not that guy. But back then in the 1970s, California was a primarily white state. It is no longer. And the Democratic Party likes that. Yeah.

Mark Simone (25:23)

Is that really being fair, though? I think they're the Democratic Party. Certainly, if you look at who's out there protesting, it's normally overeducated, underpaid, white, liberal women. But there's a larger point. I'm not sure you're being fair here, because if you think about who moved towards Trump in the last election, it was immigrants. It was Latinos, significantly working class Latinos because they were angry about illegal immigration and the Biden policies that you rightly point out, there's not a lot of Americans who are out there trying to get jobs by standing around on Home Depot corners and desperately just trying to work. I have friends in the construction business who cannot find legal workers to do work. Construction and work, concrete pouring down in the heat in Texas and Florida during the summer. They say it doesn't matter how much they pay, no whites will show up. It's only the Hispanics. So is it really fair to say that it's just immigrants who want handouts?

Bill O'Reilly (26:27)

The immigrants that came in or come in, most of them need government assistance. That's the point I was trying to make. Now, the reason Hispanic Americans broke toward Trump in the last election was because of a sense of fairness. They said, look, we did it the right way. We sacrificed, we got on the line, we did what we had to do. We obeyed the lawimmigration law and every other law. So wait a minute, what's this? That was why they went over you.

Mark Simone (27:01)

Really, though, you're saying that people come to America, though, that much of even the illegal immigration aren't people coming to trying to make a better life, they just want to come and get on the government dole?

Bill O'Reilly (27:12)

Sure. No, they're coming to make a better life, but they need help. They don't speak the language. They don't have any support.

Mark Simone (27:17)

My relatives didn't. When they spoke, they need help. My relatives didn't and they didn't.

Bill O'Reilly (27:21)

Well, there wasn't any bad. Well, there wasn't any dole when my people showed up from Ireland. You made it or you died. But now the Democratic Party and the left wing of it, which controls the party, is basically saying, look, the more we can get people hooked onto the government assistance a band, the more votes we're going to get, because the mean Republicans, they're against that. And that is definitely in play. How much, it's hard to say. But if you had a jfk, for example, if you had a John F. Kennedy now running for president in the Democratic Party and his mentality was the same it was back in 1960, I think you could persuade that a Democratic leader like that could persuade a lot of the Democratic liberals to reject the craziness on the left, to reject the unfairness, to reject the gains.

Mark Simone (28:22)

Rahm Emanuel. Rahm Emanuel now sounds like George W. Bush, though, in terms of where people are. Bill, thank you. As you pointed out 20 years ago, this was the issue. It remains that. Bill O'Reilly, as always on Monday nights, thank you.

Raymond Arroyo (28:39)

Bill O'Reilly, how you doing?

Mark Halperin (28:42)

Busy morning, just like you.

Raymond Arroyo (28:44)

And, hey, let me ask you about Don Lemon. Is this a mistake going after him? I mean, I love going after him, but is this going to create a whole new career for him, put him back @, back at.

Bill O'Reilly (28:54)

CNN?

Mark Halperin (28:56)

Yeah. No, Trump knows it. It's not gonna put him back at cnn. I don't think they'll hire him, but he'll get money from it and he won't have to pay the lawyer bills. That's the key. When a radical leftist gets in trouble, particularly in a legal area, there's always groups that come in and pick up the tab. So Lemon hires a guy named Abby Lowell, represents the Clintons. I grew up with Abby Lowell out in Levittown, and he's a very good lawyer and about 1200 bucks an hour. Let me divide this. I'm talking to you for about 15 minutes. So if I were Lappy Lowell, you'd owe him, you know, about 400 bucks. But Lemon's not going to pay anything, and he'll probably be acquitted if it ever comes to a trial, which he won't. And so there's no real downside for Lemon at all. But is it going to catapult them to something.

Bill O'Reilly (29:59)

Higher?

Raymond Arroyo (29:59)

No. Well, but it'll revive his career a little, won't.

Mark Halperin (30:03)

It? No, I don't think so. Oh. Because Lemon's a guy who runs a podcast. There are 6 trillion podcasts in the world. Anybody listening to WOR now want to listen to Don Lemon's podcast? I. I don't think so. You know, you gotta have the product. You know, you can get notoriety and you can get attention, but if somebody's gonna devote two hours of their day to listening to Mark Simone on the radio, well, Mark Simone's gonna have to deliver a product that makes that worthwhile. And with all due respect to Don Lemon, who I have no animus about, I don't dislike him, I run it. Then occasionally his product is dull. It's the same, you know, attack, attack, attack. Anybody who's conservative or doesn't agree with Don Lennon, you know, life's too short for.

Raymond Arroyo (30:58)

That. Hey, if you're Bill O'Reilly and you were number one, number one anchor for 20 something years, you can launch your own podcast. But if you're don Lemon in third place with 200 viewers, how are you gonna start your own podcast? It doesn't even make.

Caitlin Collins (31:11)

Sense. You.

Mark Halperin (31:11)

Can'T. It's all about expectations. So when I left Fox News nearly nine years ago, I took with me a whole bunch of my crew over there, and we started almost immediately a news service. So I don't do a podcast. I do a news program. And the revenues on the news program are in the tens of millions. We make a ton of money, but we.

Raymond Arroyo (31:38)

Deliver.

Mark Halperin (31:39)

Yeah. And I'll just give you a very, very vivid example. So this morning, I spent a good amount of time on the phone with President Trump. Oh, and the President called me because he watches the no Spin News many evenings, and he saw our reporting on the guy in Shanghai, China, Neville Roy.

Raymond Arroyo (32:05)

Singham.

Mark Halperin (32:06)

Yeah. Who's pumping money into the far left groups in the USA who are then paying violent protesters to go to Minneapolis, Portland, Louisiana, and Cause trouble. So the president calls me after he sees the report and asks me to send over some of the materials that we've gathered, some of the information, which I did. Now, some journalists might not have, but I'm doing it for my country because this is insidious. You get a foreign power, an adversary, because Singham works with Beijing, who are pumping tens of millions of dollars into the protest movement in the usa. Everybody's got to know that. And here's a kicker on it. A lot of these groups that are doing it are tax free groups. They're.

Raymond Arroyo (33:01)

501Cs.

Mark Halperin (33:03)

Wow. So I spoke with the President about that's how high level that my operation is. So if you want to compare it to Don Lemon, who's sitting around in a sweatshirt telling everybody how bad Trump is, okay. He could have the.

Raymond Arroyo (33:19)

Choice. Yeah. You were the first to really reveal this. Neville Roy Singham being behind a lot of this. But he lives in Shanghai. He's partners with the Chinese Communist government. Does that make him. Is it possible to touch this guy? Because he's over.

Mark Halperin (33:34)

There. If he sets one foot on US soil, they'll arrest.

Raymond Arroyo (33:39)

Him. Yeah, but he knows.

Mark Halperin (33:41)

That. He knows it. Yeah, but they can't get him out of there. He's a billionaire. I'm sure he's bought his way, you know, into the Chinese bureaucracy. And he is doing very bad things to this country. And I broke the story. Others had mentioned it, but not at the level that we had. And it, the story, interestingly enough, was picked up all over the world, except by the network news in America. Totally ignored it. Why would they do that? Why would you ignore a story like this, which is enormous? Because it doesn't help in their quest to damage President Trump. So if you have outside money coming in to agitate violence about ice, and you expose that, that helps Trump, that doesn't hurt him. And that's why they ignored the.

Raymond Arroyo (34:39)

Story. So guys like Soros or Singham, it's more than just trying to win the next election. They look like they're really trying to overturn America. What, what is motivating us? Oh, yeah, but what motivates.

Mark Halperin (34:51)

These? Well, Singham is a communist. He's a hardcore communist. Self proclaimed. Soros never really defined himself. He's 95. He doesn't have much to do. It's his son that runs it now. And they see the world in a very peculiar way. Open society. Open this, open that. Do your. Let everything go. Don't prosecute criminals. On and on and on. I cannot give you A definition of why they see the world that way. I'm studied the man, I know who he is. I know where he, how he got his money and all of that. But I cannot tell you why he's doing what he's doing. But I can tell you that if you live in New York City, he's responsible for Alvin Bragg, the DA in.

Raymond Arroyo (35:38)

Manhattan.

Mark Halperin (35:38)

Yeah. Soros put him into office by seeding his campaign with millions and millions of dollars. And nobody could compete with.

Raymond Arroyo (35:47)

That. Hey, Bill O'Reilly, you had a long talk with the president today. I don't want you to reveal what he said, but can you reveal what advice you were giving him.

Mark Halperin (35:55)

Today? Oh, that's a tough one. Well, you don't have to really specifically tell you and you're my pal, so I would. But we'll drop the very, we'll drop. This is very, very national security oriented. I'll tell you this right now. President Trump has got to deal with Iran. Yeah. Okay. My contacts abroad, as you know, because we've discussed my trip to China, I mean, I know everybody in the world. And the reason I access is because of YouTube. So when I do a broadcast, it doesn't just go in the United States goes all over the world. And he knows, President Trump knows that I have unbelievable contacts abroad. And that's what the essence of the conversation, apart from the Chinese subversion was today on Iran, very, very difficult situation there. Very dicey because unlike Venezuela, Iran will fight. Not the people, but the Revolutionary.

Mike Francesa (37:09)

Guard. They'll.

Mark Halperin (37:10)

Fight. So you've got to take that into account on what the collateral damage would be to go in and try to remove these mullahs by military.

Raymond Arroyo (37:21)

Force. So the president first term, very good domestic stuff and surprisingly good, wouldn't you agree, on foreign policy in the second term? Surprisingly good at.

Mark Halperin (37:31)

That. Here's the problem. He's been very, very successful in foreign policy. And you might have noticed yesterday they made a deal with India and India says, and I don't trust Modi, but he says he's not going to buy Russian oil. He's going to buy US And Venezuelan oil if that happens, that that is a crusher for Putin. So the president been very successful in foreign policy. Sometimes he's too belar coast and he and he alienates some of our allies. But if you just look at what's happening to the world, he's really doing a great job. But Americans don't really care about it. That's the problem. They're not going to vote that in November. They're going to vote health care costs, insurance costs, food costs. They don't know, you know, what's going on in India. They don't know the trade deal. And you can't blame them. People trying to make a living, raise families are busy paying attention to geopolitics. But all in all, I believe that President Trump at this point has been the most successful foreign policy president in the last 30 years.

Raymond Arroyo (38:38)

Wow. Well, you can watch Bill O'Reilly, the show. It's on. Go to Bill and tell Everybody about the YouTube channel. What can they see on your YouTube.

Mark Halperin (38:46)

Channel? Well, we're going to go up tonight and the only thing that's going to save the Republicans in November is that the Democrats don't have any leadership. Yeah, there's no leadership. And so I'm going to analyze the Carville statement because Carville has got very good Democratic contacts and he's pushing Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, who's been an absolute disaster. You think Newsom's bad in California, Think Hogle's bad in New York. Pritzker makes them look like successful people. So we're going to go up and do that on our YouTube channel. That'll drop tonight.

Raymond Arroyo (39:25)

Yeah. Even in.

Mark Halperin (39:25)

Congress. YouTube. It's YouTube.com Bill O'Reilly. It's.

Raymond Arroyo (39:31)

Free. It's free and it's great stuff. You know, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, these are really bad, inarticulate, dull leaders. They even in Congress, nothing going on there.

Mark Halperin (39:42)

So. Well, they'd be.

Raymond Arroyo (39:43)

Funneled.

Mark Halperin (39:43)

Yeah. They really don't have any vision. But the worst and what's troubled me is mandani with this 16 dead. Yeah. And he won't compel the police to bring these people in when it's 2 degrees to a warming center. I've never seen anything like that ever in a public policy arena. Never seen it. Well, and if you listen to his press conference today, it was gibberish. It was nonsense. It was like a fifth grader that, that and I knew this was going to happen. A 34 year old cannot run the city of New York. I'm sorry. Wow. And where do you see how bad it's going to.

Bill O'Reilly (40:23)

Get?

Raymond Arroyo (40:23)

No. Well, thanks for cheering us up here this.

Mark Halperin (40:26)

Morning. But hey, everybody watching, you know, you know me, no.

Raymond Arroyo (40:31)

Spin. Yeah. Well watch the no Spin news. Watch Bill O'Reilly show tonight. Just go to billorilly.com you can get the column, the TV show, the book, everything there. And make sure you watch his YouTube channel. Bill O'Reilly at YouTube and get the book Confronting Evil. Great stuff. Bill O'Reilly, thanks for being with.

Mark Halperin (40:46)

Us. Thanks for having me, Mark, as usual, enjoyed.

Mike Francesa (40:49)

It. All.

Raymond Arroyo (40:50)

Right. Take.

Caitlin Collins (40:50)

Care. Mr. Bill O'Reilly, it is good to see you, sir. You are not surprised that the president teed up health care? You know, it is something that he is seeing increasingly that he needs to deal with before the midterms. Do you think, what do you think the calculus is about how much of it he owns and how much of it can actually become.

Bill O'Reilly (41:16)

Something? Well, I agree with you that he has to lead the way. And I believe that there's going to be a summit at the White House within the next couple of months on insurance. CEOs are all going to gather and come out with some kind of statement and then it goes over to Congress. Schumer and the others are going to have to fashion a bill. Remember, the legislative branch makes the laws. So if you believe that the health care industry, as I do, is punishing the American citizen, then make a law to prevent that. That's the way it.

Caitlin Collins (41:55)

Works. Amen. Do you think they'll do it or do you think there's just too much money, too much.

Bill O'Reilly (42:01)

Leverage? I think it can distract something else. I think the Republicans realize we're in danger in the midterms and that this might be able to turn it around. So I would say the odds are that there will be that summit and the House will probably write up a bill under Speaker Johnson. But that's just a guess. It would be a good strategy for the Grand Old.

Caitlin Collins (42:29)

Party. What did you think about Homan saying, we're pulling out 700. We're going to make sure that we're focusing on who are priorities and how and that's that. Yes, it's being played by some on the left as a surrender, as taco. I think that is so, so wrong if you want things to get to a better place. But what did you think of that.

Bill O'Reilly (42:53)

Move? Well, I had to scold Piers Morgan today because and I like Morgan. He had me on a program and he and he did the surrender business. And I went, he's readjusting what is happening in Minneapolis as anyone would do if the original plan was going south. I mean, come on. So Homan, I think, is doing a good job. So he goes in there and the first thing he did was kick some serious. But I don't know whether you know that. But he took his commanders and said, no more. You're not to confront protesters at all. You don't walk away. And then he Reorganized how the ICE raids are going to go now, he says, and this is a mystery story. I'm trying to get it, I don't have it yet, that the local Minneapolis government is now cooperating with ICE to some extent, but I don't know how. And he hasn't defined.

Caitlin Collins (43:50)

That. So what I'm told is. And you can advance it any way you want. What I'm told is that the governor's office coordinated with the sheriffs, all right, Jails, the sheriffs, you know, Minneapolis and in a lot of states. So what they're going to do is. And that's why it was a little confusing. Holman said today, look, I'm not requiring the jails to hold people for me. Why? Because it would sound like, yeah, you should. That's how sanctuary cities were born, is local municipalities holding people for too long because ICE didn't have the resources that it has now or the mandate that it has now. And they were getting sued and losing. So that's where that is in Tom's head. Cuz he's been around. But the governor's office is supposedly getting the mayors and sheriffs to say, coordinate, find out if these detainers are there, hold them and let them get them. Which is really the way it should work. Nobody's against having people who are sitting at jail or a prison picked.

Bill O'Reilly (44:49)

Up. And that's a good step. I hope it's happening. But the other step that needs to be taken is that the Minneapolis police force need to go out and enforce public safety. And that means standing between any ICE function and protesters who would physically walk up to ICE agents or use their automobiles and prevent it. And that is what led to the death of the two Minnesotans. If you had had a responsible mayor, which you don't. All right, deploying the Minneapolis police in a line to protect whatever the ICE people were doing, not participate, but just to protect the public safety and say, no, you can't cross this police line. If you do, we're going to make a local arrest. Look, these ICE raids are going on in New Orleans, no problem. Memphis, no problem. All of the municipalities in the United States that the local police are providing public safety protection for the feds, we don't have any problem. We only have the problem in the cities that are in insurrection. And that's a.

Caitlin Collins (46:03)

Fact. I don't agree with insurrection. And we've talked about this, but I also think that this is, especially in Minneapolis, is uniquely heavy and aggressive. And I do understand. If I were the mayor, I would not put my police up to defend you, running around and grabbing the wrong people in the wrong way. I'm not going to have my police going into a church and grabbing people during Mass. I'm not doing.

Bill O'Reilly (46:31)

That. Here's how wrongheaded your statement was. They're not protecting anybody other than the Minneapolis protesters who are going to get hurt if they physically confront federal agents. So it's.

Caitlin Collins (46:49)

Not. Why isn't any of that on ice people? You're talking about ICE like they're Bengal tigers. Aren't they trained to de escalate? Do they have to shoot everybody who comes after.

Bill O'Reilly (46:58)

Them? Everybody but Cuomo. I think you're getting out of control. Now, my thing is this. It has to be coordinated. But Frye won't cooperate. So chaos ensued, which always happens. Homan goes in, he says, no longer are you ICE agents to deal with the individual protesters. You walk away. That is a policy I have called for from the beginning. As you.

Caitlin Collins (47:25)

Know. Okay, it's the right.

Bill O'Reilly (47:26)

One. So it looks like the problem has de. Intensified. Now, the agents that were involved in the killings, they're going to have to go through the system. And if there's evidence, they will, I think, be indicted. But I don't believe there is enough evidence to make that happen at this point. But I haven't framed by frame all of the things that.

Caitlin Collins (47:49)

Happened. Look, I mean, you got two different layers of review. You got internal review for whether they did the right job in that moment. And then you have the criminal review of. Yeah, right, but you're going to have Interior. Well, that's for the crime. Right, but you have two layers of review. And I'm fine with, let's see what the investigation yields and then we can debate it. But my fear is I just don't want to see more of it. And speaking of more of it, Iran deserves one quick mention before I lose you. I don't understand what our strategy is here. I mean, it's really bad, but it's really bad in a lot of places. Go.

Bill O'Reilly (48:32)

Ahead. So on Tuesday morning, I had an extensive conversation with President Trump about Iran. What the problem is there is that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard will fight. Unlike Venezuela, where the army wasn't going to fight. CIA knew that you'd send American troops in, grab Maduro. The Revolutionary Guard will fight. All right, so now the president has to make a decision. He has offered a deal to the mullahs. The deal is that you abandon your new program forever and you let out all the political prisoners. Okay. If the mullahs do not take that deal. There's going to be a military strike. I don't know what it is. He's not going to tell me. Right. But here's something that no one has mentioned, Cuomo, but I know it. The Olympics start on Friday. That's when the talk is supposed to be in Istanbul. It would be very difficult for anybody to launch a military action during the four weeks or three and a half weeks of the Olympics. Exceedingly difficult to do that because the whole world's focus, and it's a good focus, is on the sporting event in Italy. So you're going to blow the hell out of Iran while the skiers are going down the Alps. It doesn't stack. So there's a little bit of window here to get a deal. Now, if you read Confronting Evil, did you read the.

Caitlin Collins (50:10)

Book? I read about 85.

Bill O'Reilly (50:12)

Pages. I know it's hard for you, but I'm going to send someone over to read it to.

Caitlin Collins (50:17)

You. It's not a lot of.

Bill O'Reilly (50:19)

Pictures. There were mine, some pictures. It's exactly the same thing that happened in 1979. But there the shah was overthrown. And in my discussion with President Trump, and I can't tell you, you know, back and forth, I did make the point because he has read Confronting Evil, unlike you. All right, listen, the Persian people are responsible for overthrowing this horrible government, not the United States. We can help. We can punish because the mullahs are murdering people. We can do.

Mike Francesa (50:57)

That.

Bill O'Reilly (50:58)

Right. But ultimately it has to come from within. And that's what the United States and every other decent country should be concentrating.

Caitlin Collins (51:07)

On. Understood and appreciated. Bill O'Reilly, thank you very much. If you can get me proof that you read that whole book, I will take you to dinner anywhere you want.

Bill O'Reilly (51:19)

Anytime. Oh, what do you want to give him a quiz? You want to give him a.

Mark Halperin (51:23)

Quiz? What do you want to.

Caitlin Collins (51:24)

Do? Yes. Yes, I.

Bill O'Reilly (51:26)

Do. Here's how we'll do it. Caitlin Collins will interview him about the.

Caitlin Collins (51:33)

Book. Fine. The lady who took my.

Bill O'Reilly (51:36)

Job. Very nice. Yeah, she'll have to throw in three of. She'll have to throw in three or four Epstein questions because she can't help herself, but.

Mark Halperin (51:46)

They.

Caitlin Collins (51:46)

O'Reilly, just one question. It's all I need, Bill. Take.

Mike Francesa (51:51)

Care. So listen, I know you're a big hockey guy. You love the Islanders. You happen to be very good friends with John Ledecky. I've met him because of you. And you've got Boston History to Boston University. So, Mike Aruzioni, how to bring back all kinds of memories for.

Mark Halperin (52:08)

You. Yeah. That was a period of time where the Soviet Union. This is why that hockey game was so important. So the Soviet Union was on the march and they were arrogant and they cheated. So there were. They were all professionals playing Orioni, who, you know, of course, went to Boston U. And there are amateurs now. It doesn't happen anymore. They're all pros now. But back then in 1960, you had these the toughest guys on the planet, professionals paid by the Soviet government to come in and kickball, which they did. And nobody expected the college kids to embarrass them. And so it wasn't just a sporting event. It was a statement that we're not going to let you Soviet Communists, you know, cheat because they were on drugs and performing, enhancing. I mean, you know, all of that and one of the proudest moments, I think, in sports.

Mike Francesa (53:15)

History. I agree. And it wasn't just the Russians. As I pointed out to Mike, don't Forget Iranian Revolution, 1979, hostages, Jimmy Carter making way for Ronald Reagan. So, yes, the Russian story was the biggest, and we beat the Russians in the finish. And it was Reagan telling Gorbachev to tear it down. But in that, too, right, in that little sweet spot was the hostages in Iran. I asked Mike, I said, do you guys have any idea? He goes, no. There's no Twitter, there's no Facebook. We're in this little tiny little place in a Lake Placid in New York. We were just playing hockey. But you had Iran and.

Mark Halperin (53:54)

Russia. But here's the kicker. It's duplicated right.

Mike Francesa (53:58)

Now. That's exactly what I said to him. You're exactly right. Here we are, 46 years later. Same exact.

Mark Halperin (54:03)

Business. Right. Because the Games kick off tomorrow in Italy. And I had an extensive conversation with President Trump earlier this week about Iran. And it would be very difficult to launch military action against the mullahs at the same time that you have the Olympic Games capturing the attention of the world. And, you know, it's almost. You say, okay, well, look, we gotta deal with these Iranians. We have to. And if you're confronting evil, this is exactly the same thing that happened in 1979, but on the other foot. So the mullahs and the fundamentalist Islamists overthrew the Shah. Now the fundamentalist Islamists are being overthrown themselves. And they'll go, but there's a little deal window here. And I don't know whether it's on again, off again in Istanbul tomorrow. I assume there'll be some kind of talks but the scenario is that this government in Iran is not going to survive. But there's a kicker here. It's not like Venezuela. The Venezuelans were not going to fight for Maduro. The Revolutionary Guard in Iran will fight so that the military action is going to have to be much more intense against.

Mike Francesa (55:27)

Them. Well, let me, let me just point out to the audience a difference. Venezuela is about the size of queens. Okay. Iran is 80 times, 80 times the size of Israel. With you ready for this? 90 million people. This is a big, big spot on the risk board. This isn't Venezuela. It's night and.

Mark Halperin (55:49)

Day. Yes. And my philosophy is, and I did impart this because the president asked me, the Persians have got to do it themselves. The United States, America, we're not responsible for overthrowing their government. We can help and we should help, but they have to do it because we can't march on in there. We can, we can do a lot of damage to the mullahs, and we will if they don't make the deal. But I suspect they're going to make some kind of.

Mike Francesa (56:21)

Deal. You do. Okay. You know, I was thinking about, you talked about this earlier this morning. I thought to myself, I think Bill O'Reilly would be proud of me because, you know, I admitted I'm about a bigger Trump sycophant as there is out there today. I mean, I just, every opportunity I, I say something nice about this guy. I do. But I don't really care what Savannah Guthrie or Nancy Guthrie said about Trump in the past. So two people who I really like, I like them a lot. They're on the show quite a bit. Laura Loomer and the Misfit Patriot. When they go on Twitter and they start talking about how Guthrie talked about Trump in the past, I was angry at my own friends. This is not the time for that. Okay. Right. I mean, And I said O'Reilly would say the same thing. Yes. President Trump, they did talk nicely about him. What did he do? He sent more federal agents. He called Savannah yesterday. Who cares? As a, as the greatest ever in Your position, Bill O'Reilly, as a journalist, your heart's got to be breaking for Savannah.

Mark Halperin (57:23)

Yes. Well, anybody who's got elderly parents knows the danger attached to that. That's number one. So this is not a story about the Guthrie family in a unique way. This is a story about every American. And when your parents get older, you have a responsibility to protect them as best you can. Okay. I know you've done that. I've done that certainly in Levittown with my mother. And when you have a situation that's out of control here, you've got to say to yourself, politics is not important now. What's important now is to lend some sympathy, empathy to the Guthrie family. Now, I know Savannah a little bit. She's always been respectful to me. I don't think she's Gonna get her PhD in Political Science anytime soon. No. And I will tell you, I don't care what they say. I really don't care. You know the nitwit that goes on the Grammys and goes, stolen land? I'm looking at her like, lady, you just don't know.

Mike Francesa (58:26)

Anything.

Mark Halperin (58:27)

No. Okay. And that's your problem, not mine. If you want to think you're walking around on stolen land, okay, that's fine with me. I'll take your 3 million house for 250,000. All right, let's make that deal right.

Mike Francesa (58:41)

Now. And.

Mark Halperin (58:42)

The. Take it off your hand.

Mike Francesa (58:45)

Right? And the Native Americans who are there, they laughed at her. You know, it's.

Mark Halperin (58:49)

A. Everybody.

Mike Francesa (58:50)

Did. You know, it's like, right? This is. I said the same thing earlier about my friend Bill Sims when the Redskins were considering changing their name. And I love Phil. Phil's one of my best buddies. Great quarterback. He was at the front of the line. The Indian people couldn't care less. It's the whites that pander to this.

Mark Halperin (59:07)

Nonsense. Well, I mean, here's how bad it is. If you really believe that the United States of America is stolen land from indigenous people, then why don't you move to Costa Rica? Because the indigenous people run Costa Rica. It's just south, you know? I mean, I don't want. If I believe that I'm living in a cursed nation, I'm going to move somewhere.

Mike Francesa (59:37)

Else. That's.

Mark Halperin (59:37)

Right. Okay. And. But look, these people, they do this for money. They understand that the music industry is far, far left. And if you want to get a recording contract and marketing, you got to play the political game. And then it makes them feel good. And everybody in their little bubble goes, oh, you saw that song? So.

Bill O'Reilly (59:55)

Great. And.

Mark Halperin (59:57)

So. Okay. Why do you care? So I'm on my way to the Super Bowl. I'm going to take off in a few hours. Oh, really? San.

Mike Francesa (60:05)

Francisco? You're going to the.

Mark Halperin (60:06)

Game? I'm going to the game. But I'm doing a lot of work in San Francisco for News.

Mike Francesa (60:10)

Nation. Are you taking.

Mark Halperin (60:11)

Spencer? No, Spencer studying. He's working his butt off at.

Mike Francesa (60:19)

Georgetown. What a great kid. So you'll see the president? I guess. Sunday at the game. He's going.

Mark Halperin (60:23)

To. No, he's not.

Mike Francesa (60:24)

Going. Yeah, he.

Mark Halperin (60:25)

Is. Oh, he changed his.

Mike Francesa (60:26)

Mind? I think so.

Mark Halperin (60:27)

Yes. Okay. I may see him, but I'm going there to do it. Not a documentary, but a special report on the collapse of San.

Mike Francesa (60:39)

Francisco. Love.

Mark Halperin (60:40)

That. Which mirrors what is going to happen in New York.

Mike Francesa (60:44)

City. Don't love.

Mark Halperin (60:46)

That. But it's identical. Yeah, it is. Absolutely identical. And the election of Mamdani is going to assure that what has happened in San Francisco will happen in New York City this time next year. Hopefully we'll be talking, you will see. And I know the city of San Francisco pretty well and you know New York, obviously. But I'm going to go in there, I'm going to do that, and then I'm going to go to some of the festivities. And I have sent a message to a Bad Bunny. If you get out of control, you're gonna have to deal with me. So the malevolent rabbit is in a bad spot now, isn't.

Mike Francesa (61:30)

He? Did see Roger Goodell defend that choice. Yeah. I mean, what's he gonna say? Please? Charles Barkley was a little more, I don't know, angry about people ranking on Bad Bunny. I want no part of Bad Bunny. My issue is that I would go watch the Turning Point USA deal. Although I'm not thrilled with them either. I gotta be honest, Tuck. I'm not even a big J.D. vance guy anymore. I used to be now more about Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. But I'm sorry, Bill, you may love him. Brian Kilmeade yelled at me for the last two or three days. If Kid Rock is the best you can do, they're not stealing a lot of audience. I'm sorry, not.

Mark Halperin (62:04)

Happening. No, look, the reason that Bad Bunny is doing the halftime show is jerseys. All right? So in this demographic 17 to 32, they're the people that buy all the NFL.

Mike Francesa (62:22)

Jersey. But that is.

Raymond Arroyo (62:24)

True.

Mark Halperin (62:24)

Yes. That's what this is all about. I can assure you that Roger Goodell has never listened to a Bad Bunny record is in his entire life. Okay? But he knows that demographic buys the jerseys and the hats and everything else, and that's why Bad Bunny's there. And so, all right, we all know the business end of it. And capitalism is. That's the biggest display of capitalism, the super bowl in the world. Right.

Mike Francesa (63:01)

There really is. And the amount of money that the networks, the National Football League, the play, I mean, just everybody makes a ton of.

Mark Halperin (63:10)

Money. Let me tell you this. The average hotel, if you go To San Francisco. Just go. It's about $500 a night for a decent place. You know, for a chain hotel, they're charging 2500 a night, I'm.

Bill O'Reilly (63:23)

Sure. No, I.

Mark Halperin (63:24)

Know. 2500 and they don't even give you breakfast. I don't even know if the bell hop will take your. I. I don't even know. 2500. Okay. The plane fares have.

Bill O'Reilly (63:36)

Quadrupled.

Mark Halperin (63:37)

Yep. Ready. If you drive to Levi's Stadium and want to park.

Mike Francesa (63:42)

$250. I know, it's insane. I know it's like that in D.C. the day of the inauguration. But that's only one day. The super bowl people do that for a week. For a.

Mark Halperin (63:54)

Week. And it's even bigger running around out there. And I'm gonna be tweeting about it at Bill O'Reilly. I mean, you know, I'm gonna do it. Funny, I don't take any of this.

Mike Francesa (64:05)

Seriously.

Mark Halperin (64:06)

No. Other than the report I'm going to do on San Francisco is going to be serious, obviously. But. But the festivities. I told Stephen A. Smith last night that he and I are going to crash Barty. I got to tell you. What party. Ruin it. What.

Mike Francesa (64:24)

Happened? You know, you should do that. I saw Stephen A. Sitting there yesterday with my friend Christopher Mad Dog Russo on set. ESPN in California yesterday. So on the way out, you know, on your way there. Go ahead. Bill O'Reilly, you know about as much as football as anybody else. What is O'Reilly's fearless prediction for Sunday.

Mark Halperin (64:41)

Night? Well, I hate to do it because I'm a Boston. Boston, my second home. And I admire what Vrabel has done with that team. That's one of the great coaching accomplishments of all time, what he did up there. But Seattle's got better skilled players. They're a faster team. It all goes down to Darnold. So you remember last year, Darnold folded in the.

Mike Francesa (65:07)

Playoffs. Yes.

Mark Halperin (65:07)

Terrible. But he was great against the Rams. And he's got three or four receivers that are better than anything the Patriots.

Mike Francesa (65:16)

Have. 100%.

Mark Halperin (65:17)

True. Right. I mean, this nitwit. What's his name? The guy's got 18 children and he know their names. What's his name? Came from.

Mike Francesa (65:25)

Buffalo. Stefan.

Mark Simone (65:27)

Diggs.

Mark Halperin (65:28)

Yeah. Oh, this guy. Yeah. So when you look at the skill positions, and that's what the game's all about now. All right, the guys who make the big plays. Seattle's better team. However, if Donald gets hit in the face a few times in the.

Mike Francesa (65:43)

First quarter, the Pats can do the Pats can do that. They've got a pretty aggressive pass.

Mark Halperin (65:48)

Rush. They're very, very good on defense. And he turns the ball over, then that will cascade down because New England is going to play a conservative game. You're not going to see New England be winging it down the field. They're going to methodically try to get field position and play it just as they played it in Denver. Even though Denver is terrible weather. They're not going to take a lot of chances where Seattle will take the chances. So, you know, the best team doesn't always win. This is an impossible game to bet. It's a very tough game to.

Mike Francesa (66:27)

Bet. I would take the underdog because the best team doesn't always win. My favorite super bowl Lover is 1990. The Bills were loaded with hall of Famers. My hall of Famers like Lawrence Taylor were playing last year. They had Kelly, Thomas and Reed. We won. So I think you're right. I think the Pats are good enough defensively. They'll play a very conservative game. Mike Vrabel and Drake May will do just enough to keep it close. I think it's a field goal game. I think four and a half is too many.

Mark Halperin (66:51)

Points. Not turn it over. One more thing before we get to Lionel. Bill O'Reilly.com has a documentary. Not documentary, but an interview that I'm dropping tonight at six o' clock for everybody. You don't need to be a member. It's me and Namath one on.

Mike Francesa (67:11)

One. I saw some of it on Instagram already. It's.

Mark Halperin (67:13)

Great. Oh, you will believe this. Oh. Oh, boy. Because I know Namath for a long time and when I was a kid in Levittown, I ride my bike over to.

Mike Francesa (67:24)

Hofstra.

Mark Halperin (67:25)

Yeah. To. To fetch ball footballs that were went awry. And I know all of this stuff. Where do you see what really happened Inside Super Bowl 3? The biggest upset in.

Mike Francesa (67:38)

History. Can't wait. Can't wait. I can't.

Mark Halperin (67:40)

Wait. So we want everybody to go to Bill O'Reilly.com this evening. You'll enjoy Joe. He looks great. And he and I for about 45 minutes back and forth. Right about that big.

Mike Francesa (67:52)

Game. Right? Yeah. He actually was good to me, too. I started my sports career at a place called CBS Sportsline Cypress Creek Road in Fort Lauderdale for Mike Levy in 1997. That's now CBS sports dot com, by the way. And the two athletes that bought in, they invested and showed up everywhere. With us from Mike Schmidt, he lived in Jupiter. And Joe Namath, who lived in Jupiter. So I got to know Joe very, very, very well. I know you know him longer, but he's a terrific guy. Can't wait to see it. Billoriley.com Tonight, Super Bowl MVP of Super Bowl 3, Joe Namath with Bill Arati. Bill, have a safe trip. Another amazing appearance. I love you. We'll talk again next.

Mark Halperin (68:29)

Week. All right. I'll say hello to Bad Bunny for.

Mike Francesa (68:31)

You. How about Namath? Thank you very much.

Bill O'Reilly (68:34)

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