O'Round the World - June 14, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: O'Round the World - June 14, 2026

Host: Bill O’Reilly
Date: June 14, 2026

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Overview

This episode of No Spin News and Analysis features Bill O’Reilly discussing recent controversies in media coverage, alleged election fraud in California, journalistic integrity, U.S.-Iran policy, celebrity culture, and Donald Trump’s media strategy. O’Reilly is joined by media personalities including Sid Rosenberg, Leland Vittert, and Mark Simone, and references comments from Scott Pelley and Donald Trump. The tone is characteristically blunt, critical, and combative, focusing on media bias, political strategy, and skepticism toward mainstream narratives.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Media Evolution & 60 Minutes Controversy

Starts ~[00:02]

• Decline of 60 Minutes:
  O’Reilly opens by stating "Most Americans could not care less about 60 Minutes anymore," noting its peak in the late 1980s and a decline in influence ([00:02]).
• Far-Left Accusations:
  The left blames Trump for "ruining" 60 Minutes by purportedly influencing personnel changes at CBS. O’Reilly partly agrees there may be some truth due to network mergers and deal-making ([00:28]).
• Firing of Scott Pelley:
  Pelley was fired after an altercation with CBS management. In a New York Times podcast, Pelley claims:

  “You become a journalist because you love the First Amendment. You become a journalist because you love the country.... There is no democracy without journalism. It can't be done.”
  — Scott Pelley ([03:19]-[03:28])

• O’Reilly's Response:
  O’Reilly distinguishes his own motivation:

  “I didn't become a journalist because I loved the country... I wanted to get the bad guys. That was my sole Motivator.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([03:57])

• Defense & Critique of Pelley:
  O’Reilly credits Pelley's courage as a war correspondent but says Pelley's mistake is his sense of 'nobility.'

  “Because they're a journalist doesn't mean that you are an elevated person.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([05:45])

• Media Bias Allegation:
  O’Reilly charges that Pelley “refused to bring any balance to the coverage of Donald Trump,” noting "60 Minutes has run one favorable sound bite in six years" ([07:15]).

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2. Alleged Election Fraud & Media Coverage in California

Begins [08:19]

• Election Suspicion:
  O’Reilly expresses suspicion over "an amazing amount of support" in the last days for a socialist candidate, calls for a federal investigation but admits no concrete evidence of fraud ([09:41], [09:54]).
• Media-Narrative Critique:
  He accuses CNN and ABC of being “active allies” of the Democratic Party, framing any GOP questioning as “baseless” without proper inquiry ([10:36]).
• Deterioration of LA & SF:
  O’Reilly laments the decline of Los Angeles and San Francisco, blaming public apathy and failed liberal policies ([12:42]), describing L.A. as a “hell ho Poll” ([10:49]).
• Trump’s Rhetoric on Election Rigging:
  Trump, in an interview clip, claims, “The election was rigged... it's a rigged election... they're cheating."
  — Donald Trump ([13:51]-[14:17])
  O’Reilly calls this a "con and it's a big, giant con," seeing no evidence in 2020 or now ([14:29]).
• Media Double Standard:
  O’Reilly criticizes Kristen Welker, NBC, and others for premature assertions that fraud claims are “baseless” before investigations are complete ([15:56]).

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3. Journalistic Integrity and Interviewing Techniques

Starts [21:26]

• Balanced vs. Confrontational Interviewing:
  O’Reilly contrasts "informational" with "confrontational" interview styles, criticizing personalities like Kristen Welker for the latter ([25:01]).

  “There are two ways to ask questions... informational... confrontational... and that's what Welker did.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([25:01])

• Scott Pelley’s Noble Self-Image:
  O’Reilly and Rosenberg agree that Pelley (and many journalists) see themselves as “noble,” but their coverage is “not honest” or balanced ([22:32]).
• Panel Stacking:
  Trump, they argue, dislikes networks that stack panels with adversaries, making fair conversation impossible ([46:24]).

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4. Celebrity Culture and Sports

Begins [17:56]

• Front-Row Celebrity Notoriety:
  Sid Rosenberg explains the allure of courtside seats at Knicks games for celebrities like Ben Stiller as a PR move ([18:09]).
• Personal Anecdotes:
  Rosenberg recalls attending games with Donald Trump before his political career, affirming Trump’s legitimacy as a sports fan ([19:56]).
• Criticism of NY Governor Hochul:
  Rosenberg and Simone decry recent legislation banning the terms ‘mother’ and ‘father’ in NY government correspondence, calling it the “crazy lunatic zone” ([21:34]).

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5. US Policy Toward Iran

Begins [28:48]

• No Alternative to Military Action:
  O’Reilly asserts the only way to deal with Iran is military:

  “You got to hit them very, very hard with your military. So I've been thinking about it. Is there another way? There isn't another way.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([28:51])

• Negotiations Deemed a Farce:
  Both O’Reilly and Vittert agree that Iranian negotiations are historically untrustworthy ([30:43]).
• Desperation by Sanctions:
  U.S. and Israel aim to increase “pain” through bombing and sanctions to force regime change; O’Reilly cites 80% inflation in Iran, with citizens struggling for basic needs ([35:34]).
• Revolution Prospects:
  Discussion centers on the lack of arms among Iranian civilians and the logistical challenges of inciting successful uprising ([50:26]).

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6. Trump, Messaging, and Public Sentiment on Inflation

Starts [37:57]

• Trump’s “I Love the Inflation” Gaffe:
  Trump’s comment

  “I love the inflation. You know why? Because as soon as this war is over... oil prices will come down.”
  — Donald Trump ([38:03]-[38:07])
  O’Reilly predicts this will be widely replayed as evidence of Trump’s disconnect from public pain.

• Presidential Communication:
  O’Reilly: “You can't govern by the way people feel. You have to do what's right for the country” but acknowledges Trump is “defiant” and refuses to show “the face of defeat” ([39:34]-[41:01]).

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7. Trump’s Media Strategy & The War with Corporate Media

Starts [42:28]

• Trump’s Willingness for Tough Interviews:
  Rosenberg explains Trump’s willingness to face adversarial interviews, aiming to get his viewpoint out unfiltered:

  “...there is a war between the executive branch, President Trump and the corporate media. And Trump's winning that war.”
  — Sid Rosenberg ([43:08])

• Media Ratings Decline:
  O’Reilly and Rosenberg both claim that hostile journalists and declining TV news ratings are evidence that Trump’s strategy is succeeding ([43:12]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On 60 Minutes Decline:
  “Most Americans could not care less about 60 Minutes anymore.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([00:02])

• On Journalistic Motivation:
  “You become a journalist because you love the country.”
  — Scott Pelley ([03:19])
  “I wanted to get the bad guys. That was my sole Motivator... I was personal for me.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([03:57])

• On Trump’s Defiance:
  “He is a defiant president and people voted for him, know that. And that's what he's doing about inflation. He's defiant.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([41:01])

• On Confrontational Media:
  “My job is to make Trump look bad, not to get information. Listen, I interviewed five presidents...they weren't disrespectful.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([27:10])

• On Iran Military Strategy:
  “You got to hit them very, very hard with your military...There isn't another way.”
  — Bill O’Reilly ([28:51])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:02]: O’Reilly opens with 60 Minutes criticism
• [01:59]-[03:28]: Scott Pelley defends his journalism and patriotism
• [03:57]: O’Reilly’s motivation in journalism
• [07:00]: Alleged media bias against Trump
• [08:19]-[17:48]: California election, media response, L.A./S.F. decline
• [17:56]-[22:10]: Celebrity culture at Knicks games, critique of Governor Hochul
• [22:32]-[28:36]: Further media criticism, interview styles, Kristen Welker
• [28:48]-[36:55]: Iran policy, rationale for military action
• [37:57]-[42:08]: Trump, inflation, and presidential messaging
• [42:28]-[52:38]: Trump’s media strategy, comparison of journalistic interview styles, prospects for regime change in Iran

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Conclusion

This episode is a sweeping tour through contentious political and media landscapes, guided by O’Reilly’s signature skepticism and directness. It interrogates the integrity of American journalism, the state of current affairs in U.S. cities, the perilous dynamics with Iran, and the combative relationship between Donald Trump and corporate media. Throughout, O’Reilly applies a “No Spin” lens, actively questioning mainstream narratives, pundit motivations, and policy positions, while offering listeners a blend of analysis, anecdotes, and pointed critique.

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Transcript

[Safeway Announcer]

Bill.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm Bill O'Reilly. You're listening to around the World. Let's begin this 60 Minutes. Scott Pelley, CBS News. Way overblown. Most Americans could not care less about 60 minutes anymore. Reaches height, I'd say, in the 80s, late 80s, and now it gets 9 million viewers. A lot for a news program, but it's not what it used to be. I think everyone knows that. However, the perception among the far left is that Donald Trump has ruined 60 Minutes by installing or encouraging people who are more favorable to him to run. CBS News may or may not be true. It probably is a little bit true, okay? Because there was mergers and there were sales and all that stuff going on. And when you are negotiating a deal and Trump's the best at this, you get what you can. And 60 Minutes has been brutal on Donald Trump in six years. They made one positive reference on 60 Minutes about President Trump, one in six years. And that was some guy, some guest saying the tariffs might work. That was it. That was it. Now, Scott Pelley was the chief correspondent. Now he's fired because he yelled at the new hierarchy at CBS News and they didn't like it, so they let him go. All right? And then he gives an interview to the New York Times podcast or something. And this is the pithy part of the interview. Go.

[Sid Rosenberg]

He also said you were part of this gang of stupid, crooked people that don't care about your country.

[Scott Pelley]

Stupid. I can. I can take that stiff. Yeah. Probably don't care about the country. I've never worn the uniform,

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

but I've

[Scott Pelley]

been in combat for this country in Afghanistan and Iraq, Kuwait, been shot at, spent nights in foxholes, filling up with water in the desert. I'm not aware that the president of the United States has ever done any of those things for his country. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You become a journalist because you love the First Amendment. You become a journalist because you love the country. And while all the other descriptions that the president used about me might be applicable,

[Sid Rosenberg]

not that one.

[Scott Pelley]

There is no democracy without journalism. It can't be done. And that is why I am a journalist.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Last few questions.

[Scott Pelley]

You know, on Fox News, they're going to just run the parts where I'm crying and say I'm a lunatic.

[Sid Rosenberg]

The era we live in, it is

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

the era we live in.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay? So, number one, I didn't become a journalist because I loved the country. I did. I do love the country. No better place in the world. But I want to get the bad guys. That was my sole Motivator when I was at Boston University taking a master's degree in broadcast journalism. Wanted to get the bad guys when country had nothing to do with it. Constitution was solid, in my opinion. I was personal for me. Secondly, some right wing people have criticized Pelly for saying that he was in combat in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait and been shot at. That's unfair. Pelli did it. Pelly was there. I was there. I know what it takes, okay? I mean, I almost got killed in Argentina, in Buenos Aires, during the Falkland War. I write about that in my upcoming book. All right? Confronting what has to Change. I almost died, okay? So I know what Peli is talking about here. And for anybody to criticize his service there is just unfair and stupid. If you go into a war zone, and I've been in plenty of them, okay, you're putting yourself in jeopardy. It's as simple as that. And Pelly should be commended for his courage to do that. There are a lot of journalists who won't do it, who hide in the hotel again. I'm dealing with all that and confronting America, and you'll get an eye full from that book. But. But the mistake that Kelly, that Peli makes is that he has a sense of nobility, like I'm noble. Well, that's where we draw the line. I know many journalists who are not noble. They are liars, charlatans, butt kissers, thieves, on and on and on and on. I know a lot of them. Because they're a journalist doesn't mean that you are an elevated person. And what Pelli did was he refused to cover President Trump in a fair way. He wouldn't do it. Pelly simply wouldn't do it. He had the power to do a story on the border, to say, hey, this is pretty good. That a president shut this chaos down in record time. That story never appeared. It was all about some migrant getting deported to El Salvador or whatever. Never appeared. According to 60 Minutes, Trump never did anything good, ever. That's not noble. That's not honest. That's not anything to be proud of. Now, if you watch me on Fox News now, the no spin zone, you know, I'll call it the way I see it. I don't care about party politics. I don't care about liberal conservative. I care about what's true. Now, that sounds noble. Yeah, but it's true. And now I run my own corporations. I don't have pinheads who don't know anything, who are ideologically crazed telling me what to do. I really never had that because I would Quit, I'd walk out. I wouldn't tolerate it. But Pelly went awry when he refused to bring any balance to the coverage of Donald Trump. And now he's out and he'll never come back. Maybe CNN will hire him, but he's never going to be where he was. Here's my NewsNation appearance with Leland Vitter.

[Leland Vittert]

All right, Bill, what is the solution to California that has rigged the game?

[Bill O'Reilly]

No solution. It's done, finished, over. If I were a resident of California, I'd move out tomorrow if I could. So this is a complicated story. When it broke that Pratt was going to lose to this socialist who admits she's a socialist, okay, the networks immediately put up on the screen, ABC and cnn. I didn't watch the other two. Trump baselessly criticizes the vote. Baselessly. Well, how would they know? How would CNN and ABC News not? They didn't investigate it. They didn't look into it. All they did was report what the California authorities are reporting, that there was an amazing amount of support for this woman in the last two days, and nobody can really figure out why. So if I'm a loyal American citizen, I'd like to get to the bottom of that.

[Leland Vittert]

Why?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Why was this surge for this woman? Why wasn't it for Karen Bass, the other mayoral candidate? Why her? Because they wanted to knock Pratt out. I have no evidence to back up that there was fraud in this election. None. Okay? But it's suspicious. And every thinking person knows that it's suspicious. And they also know that California, as you rightly pointed out, has the most lax voting procedures in the United States, by far. A dog can vote, and they found out the dog voted multiple times. Now, California doesn't want to fix it because California dominates as far as Democratic policy is concerned. There's no interest in fixing it. And Trump has announced a U.S. attorney in Los Angeles county is going to investigate. Good. That's what should happen. Whenever you have an anomaly, like there's something that's unexplainable, then you send in the feds to make sure that the election wasn't a fraud. But the reason I'm bringing up CNN and ABC and the others I'm sure did it as well, is that the Democratic Party has an active ally in the national media. They work together. If you question the vote in Los Angeles, it's baseless. You're a crank. You're a loon. Okay? That's the narrative now. Los Angeles, California, been there twice in the last year. It is a hell ho Poll. And it didn't used to be. Used to be a very nice place to visit. It is awful. And yet these two far left people are running in the general election. So no one in Los Angeles, no one in Los Angeles cares that Hancock, Hancock park, okay, which used to be a very nice place to live, is now a slum full of hypodermic drug addicts, okay? They don't care. Garbage is not picked up. They don't care. Police don't answer 911 calls. This is. The voting public don't care that all of that is happening. Because it is. That's a huge story.

[Leland Vittert]

So what's the story here? And I'm trying to figure out what you're saying. The story is that people don't care. The story is that people are saying the answer to all those problems is to spend more money.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Or.

[Leland Vittert]

The answer, or the story that you think it is is that the people really do care and their votes aren't being fairly counted.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I don't believe the citizen base in Los Angeles cares about their community. And as you know, I did a special in San Francisco, and that was blatantly obvious. Blatantly, but laughing.

[Leland Vittert]

I was there.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Nah, Bull. It's a bunch of crap. If you go down to the Tenderloin district, you see the same stuff that I saw on Super Bowl Sunday, they can say they cleaned it up. There isn't a person in the world that wants to live in those SRO hotels. Nobody. Because you go in there, they beat the hell out of you. They steal your dope and money. And that hasn't changed one bit. The Honduran gangs that sell the narcotics, they have not been arrested. They have not been taken down. ICE Is not involved. Don't tell me San Francisco's changed. It has not. That is blatant propaganda. And as I said, L. A is worse.

[Leland Vittert]

Okay? But this issue of calling the election in California versus A fraud versus rigged. This is President. President Trump a little bit more of his interview with Kristen Welker. Take a listen.

[Donald Trump]

The election was rigged. It was a dirty election. And it's happening again right now in California. Right now in California right now. It's. Look at. Look at what's happening in California. It's. The reporters are doing well in California. It's. No, they're not. They're dropping fast because it's a rigged election. Let me tell you. It's four days, and they aren't even close to coming up with.

[Leland Vittert]

You know why they're doing that?

[Donald Trump]

Because they're Cheating on the election.

[Sid Rosenberg]

There's what?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you have evidence to support that?

[Donald Trump]

All I have to do is. Look,

[Leland Vittert]

is Trump doing himself any favors? And Republicans any.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Wait, wait. This is a con and it's a big, giant con. There's no evidence that was true in 2020. And you're not going to blow President Trump out of his opinion that it was a rigged election in 2020. Nothing anyone will say will change his mind. That's what he wants to believe.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And there was no evidence presented to the American people that massive fraud took place. That's still being investigated. Whether they come up with anything, I have no idea. But for Kristen Welker to say there's no evidence of fraud in California when the vote was less than a week ago, I mean, the woman is an advocate for the liberal wing of the Democratic Party running. Yeah.

[Leland Vittert]

Bill, you're telling me that if a Democratic politician came on your show and said there was fraud in Michigan when Donald Trump won, you wouldn't say, what's the evidence? You'd say, okay, I agree there was fraud.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Of course I would say, where's the evidence? But not four days after the vote. How could there possibly be an assemblage of evidence? How could you do it? You couldn't do it.

[Leland Vittert]

So what would you say to any politician? What should she have said?

[Bill O'Reilly]

The feds are investigating it. Right. That's the right thing to do and let them see what they come up with. But to say baselessly and for the media to say, oh, you don't have any evidence of the vote in California when it was six days ago, it's absurd. It's a joke. And I mean that literally. So this isn't serious.

[Leland Vittert]

To be fair, we just did call Steve Hilton, the Republican, to proceed to the runoff as well. So this would be that there was fraud for the super progressive candidate in LA and not enough fraud for Steve Hilton.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Correct. That's the analysis. That's correct. That Hilton, I don't know whether he got a fair count or not, but. But because the state is so massive, 55 million people, it's a lot harder, okay, to do fraud than it would be in Los Angeles, where the city controls the dogs who vote. I mean, look, Leland, just go there. Just go there and with your own eyes, look at the deterioration of that city. It's shocking.

[Leland Vittert]

100%.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're telling me that most Angelenos want that? Is that what you're telling me?

[Leland Vittert]

I'm not telling you. I agree with you. The Atlantic wrote about it. About how angry people are. We saw it when we went there. It's obvious. And if they vote for somebody who basically says the answer is to spend more money in a way that work the first time, that that says a lot. Bill, thank you as always. Good seeing you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Here's my weekly appearance with W O R's Mark Simone.

[Mark Simone]

I'm watching the Knicks games. I see Trump in the suite. Big leather chair. You couldn't be more luxurious comfortable. These people in the floor seats. It's a folding chair with people sweating all over you. What is the attraction of the floor?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Notoriety. Oh, so a guy like Ben Stiller really doesn't have much of a career. Correct, yeah, that's true. I mean, I'm not disparaging him, but he's not a guy that people are talking about. He gets four or five shots on national television sitting in the front row at the Nick game. That hypes him up. Yeah, that's why these celebrities do it, I think. You know, most of them like basketball, too. They're Nick fans. But it's, it's a big PR thing for them to go to the Garden and have people sweat on you. It's worth it.

[Mark Simone]

But you've actually sat there. What is. So what is it like you're about to get crashed into at any second?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's a little tight. I'm six four, about 190. It's a little tight. But the reason I go is to watch the game. I mean, they're not ever going to put me on the Jumbotron. I mean, that's not there. The Garden is not that hospitable to me. Whereas all the other stadiums and arenas in the New York area and across country are never quite figured it out. But I pay for my seats. I know. And take anything free. A lot of these celebs, you know, they take it gratis. Not me. Yeah, so you see me there, you know, I paid the freight and. But, you know, the folks are there. It's, it's a nice chat. I, I'm happy to go.

[Mark Simone]

Hey, here's a picture somebody put online. This is you and Donald Trump sitting together at the game, I think 2014.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean, I went to a number of Nick games with him. In fact, at one of them, he told me he was going to run for president. And I looked at him, I said, of what country? And I thought he was going to buy up Bolivia and then install himself. But yeah, we used to go to Met and Yankee and Nick games all the time. And it was before he had any interest in politics. Simply a businessman. But I'd known him for 35 years and I knew he was a sports fan. So occasionally we go to see the games. Always had a good time.

[Mark Simone]

So when Kathy Ogle says he doesn't know anything about the Knicks, he's not really a Knicks fan. You can testify that she's 100% wrong.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Kathy Hogle, who's that? The governor? Yeah, that one.

[Leland Vittert]

Yeah.

[Sid Rosenberg]

I mean, look, I'm way beyond Governor Hochul at this point. Once she came out and quasi supported the banishment of the words mom and dad in state correspondence. I mean, I just hung it up. Yeah, that's it for me. If she's going to be. She didn't sign it and she won't sign until after the election. But, I mean, she should have condemned it and she didn't know if somebody doesn't, you know, we're in a zone there that I guess some New Yorkers feel comfortable in and I don't. Yeah.

[Mark Simone]

For people listening that don't know you're not kidding, there's a bill that has passed that you're not allowed to use the word mother or father in any government, state, anything.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Yeah.

[Sid Rosenberg]

And once you get into that zone, that crazy lunatic zone, I check out.

[Scott Pelley]

Yeah.

[Sid Rosenberg]

I'm not. Not even going to bother with you anymore, both professionally and personally, because life is short and I don't have time to deal with morons. I really don't. And she doesn't care one way or the other. She's just doing it. Try to assemble political power. She's trying to beat Blakeman. And she feels her progressive masters, the people who control her, want this, which they do, so she sits on it. Wow.

[Mark Simone]

Only giving Blakeman more ammunition if they ever have to debate, which I'm sure they will. But, hey, you've spent your whole life in newsrooms, news organizations. I'm sure you've been fired a few times. We all have. It's perfectly normal. Shows get canceled. Have you ever seen anything like Scott Pelley? The way he just stood up like this pompous ass and told off the boss?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, I have, and that's a good question you're asking, because I've been in the business more than 50 years, 42 of them working for corporations, which I'll never do again. I have my own corporations now, and I'm a lot happier running my own show. But Kelly lives in a world where he basically feels noble. That's the key word. He's noble. So he hates Trump. And there's no doubt he does. I mean, in six years that Donald Trump has been president six years, 60 Minutes has run one favorable soundbite in six years, and that was some guy saying the tariffs might work. Okay, that's it. And all the rest of the coverage on Trump has been negative. So don't tell me that you're some kind of journalist looking for the truth. You're not. You are a left wing zealot who is trying to impose his point of view on a country. That's what Scott Pelley is. But he's never going to admit that because the circle that he runs in, both socially in Connecticut, Greenwich and in New York City at CBS headquarters, they're all like he is. They all hate Trump. So there's a normalcy for that. And then when Kelly gets, gets called out on it, which is what this is all about, he's indignant. Oh, how can you do this to me? I'm just a journalist and you're trying to tell me I can't do X, Y and Z. Hey, Scott, the fix was in from the moment Trump got into politics, and you know it. So don't give me this, you're a noble guy because you didn't even try to cover him in a balanced way. Yeah, and that is the truth. But I know tons of people in the journalistic world like that, far more than are traditional conservatives.

[Mark Simone]

Wow. Hey, Kristen Welker, that Meet the Press interview where Trump got up and walked, you've interviewed a lot of presidents. You've been in that seat a lot. She was a little over the top with her. I mean, a bit rude, but it's

[Sid Rosenberg]

the same Scott pilly syndrome that Ms. Walker Welker has. The same exact thing. So she's from a family that are ardent Democrats who have given thousands of dollars to advance the Democratic Party. Nothing wrong with that. She's in the family. But don't tell me, Kristen, that you're going in looking for a fair interview. You're not. So there are two ways to ask questions, as you know. I mean, you're an interviewer of the highest level in radio. There are two ways to ask the question informational, like President Trump, you say the California election was rigged. What are you basing that on? What is the main thing that Americans should know about your opinion that's informational, confrontational, is, hey, there's no evidence of anything. What are you talking about? And that's what Welger did. I mean, last night, the coverage on the California elections was on every network. Trump's baseless assertion that there was fraud in California. How can you say it's baseless? Did you investigate it, NBC News? Did you send Kristen Welker out there to see if there was something wrong? No, you didn't. You slap on the description baseless because you don't like Trump. And so getting back to Scott Kelly, this is a whole crew. This is what they do. My job is to make Trump look bad, not to get information. Listen, I interviewed five presidents and every one of them, I asked the toughest questions I could think of, but they weren't disrespectful. I didn't say to George W. Bush, you're a moron or what are you doing in Iraq. I didn't say to Obama, why are you unfreezing assets to Iran? I didn't do that in an accusatory way. I would say you did this, Mr. President. Can you explain the rationale behind it now with Trump, to be fair, you're not, you're not going to get a thoughtful answer. You're going to get what he believes. And he believes the election, 220 and the California election were fraud. You are not going to get him out of that ever. Yeah, okay, but you can say, give me your best shot, Mr. President, on 220. Give me one thing that I can take home and say, you know, President Trump may have a point. Give me one. And he'll probably go, well, here's a million of them. Okay, but you're asking the question to get information, not to make him look bad. And that's what Kristen Welker did and always does.

[Mark Simone]

Bill O'Reilly, thanks for being with us.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Listen to me as I join News Nation with Leland Vitter.

[Leland Vittert]

Do you understand President Trump's strategy right now?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, all I understand is he's got to do something. So he has to do something. And there just seems to be only one something, and that's that you use your air power to take out certain parts of Iran that you believe they need. So the negotiations are a farce. Everybody knows it. American public knows it. And if the president wants his legacy to remain intact and end this situation, I don't know what the alternative is. You got to hit them very, very hard with your military. So I've been thinking about it. Is there another way? There isn't another way.

[Leland Vittert]

Okay. That is a relatively Sherman esque statement from you. It is also a substantial change from what you have said about this issue in the past. Take a listen.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So the thinking is we'll make a deal. But the original deal is on the hope that the country is so damaged, and it is that the people will then rise up and shut these people out. I don't want to use the word desperately, but needs a deal with Iran within, I'd say, six weeks. He believed that if we gave Iran enough economic assurances to rebuild their country, they might go for another crisis going on. It might be a crisis come Halloween, when the midterm vote is a few days away. But right now, it's complicated.

[Leland Vittert]

I have been much more skeptical than you of the chance of a deal. I always thought negotiations with the Iranians are a farce, because every deal the Iranians have ever made, they've broken, and they've made a fool out of the person who made it with them. Why have you come over to my side?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I haven't really on anybody's side. I'm reporting on what is happening that day. And I'd be very careful about Axios and these other social media outfits. Very careful. So my position really hasn't changed. The Trump administration tried to make the deal and it did not work. That's didn't work. They tried, but the mullahs don't want to have peace. And there are two reasons why. Worldwide inflation is now more than 4%. That's a victory for the mullahs. It's a victory for him, the ayatollah, whoever he may be today. Okay. And the second reason is they don't care about their people. Bomb them if you want. It's not like, whoa, we are concerned about taking casualties. They're not. It's like, throw them on out there. They're cannon fodder. So once you reach that point, as I said the beginning of this interview, what's your alternative? You have to use military power. There's no plan B.

[Leland Vittert]

The problem in the first war was that President Trump did not sell the war before he started it. And then all of a sudden, you saw gas prices going up and the other issues associated with the war, and the American people got quite upset. Normally, America rallies around the military, which I think is important. That didn't happen. Does he need to reset? Does there need to be an Oval Office address? Does there need to be something where he goes out now as the commander in chief, and tells the American people, to your point, we're going to hit Iran hard. Here's what we're going to do, here's why we're going to do it. And this is what we believe the End game is, I don't know if

[Bill O'Reilly]

that's wise to do unless you have something good to report. So if something good comes out of this aerial bombardment, then I would do it. But if it's the same old, we don't care whether you bomb us, what are you going to say to the American people? So we're dealing with a country that doesn't care about life or death and is going to do whatever they want to do. That's not a good message to bring out because then the criticism will be, well, you should have known that before you went in for this. You should have known it. See, it all comes back to the Israelis gave President Trump an option. You can take out the whole government in one night if you launch military action. And Trump took that. I think I might have taken it. So I can get them all. And they did. They got every one of them. Okay. But then the Iranians said, we don't care, we have other guys. So that's what happened. Now, to the point that Americans weren't really versed on the complexities of the Middle East. That's true. It's a very, very difficult place. And that's why I said before anything, this is the biggest gamble of Donald Trump's life. Okay. So far being Salvo.

[Leland Vittert]

Yep. Yeah, that was. And so far, I think what you're saying is, is that he's on the losing end of that gamble. At least he was before these strikes. The, the chips are down, so to speak. The way the Russians who have had success dealing with the Iranians in the past and those who are interested in the story can [e-mail] to subscribe. A story I cannot describe on family friendly television, but the Russians way of dealing with this is escalate to de. Escalate that you put in front of the mullahs such an overwhelming amount of force. Force and such a risk to their survival and their economic survival, which they use to pay everybody off, that they then are forced to capitulate in some way that requires the commitment of a lot more assets and the use of a lot more air power. Is that what Trump needs to do? Even though in the short term it's going to be painful here at home.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yes, that's what he needs to do. Break them. Inflation In Iran is 80%. That means the Persians are having trouble eating, they're having trouble buying bread. 80% inflation. For us, it's 4%. So the hope was, well, they can't go along with that much longer. The People will rise up as they did with the Shah. When I write about that and confronting evil, it doesn't seem to be happening. It may be because the security services are so intense inside Iran now, so many dissenters being murdered by the government. I mean, I've heard numbers up to 50,000. I can't. Nobody can confirm those numbers.

[Leland Vittert]

So one of the reasons the revolution failed is because Trump pulled support of it, because the Kurds were ready to go in there and put in a beachhead and start funneling arms into the Iranian opposition groups. And President Trump turned the spigot off because Turkey's president complained. The other option is to take the handcuffs off the Israelis and let them go take care of business and let them foment a revolution. Both things he refuses to do.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't know if we want to give the Israelis the power in this situation. I wouldn't. And as far as dropping ordinance to resistance groups, that's never going to work. They got 200,000 troops. The Iranian government, those weapons had confiscated. Nobody touched them. So that's just a pipe dream. But Israel should be assisting us, and they are. But to let them take the lead, that shows weakness. And I don't think Donald Trump wants to show any weakness here.

[Leland Vittert]

Well, we'll see how much strength these strikes project. The other issue, as you pointed out, Bill, that President Trump's got two wars. Really. It's the war in Iran and then the economic war here at home. He was asked today about the 4% inflation. Take a listen.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Are you concerned, Mr. President, about the

[Leland Vittert]

latest inflation number which came out this morning?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Could that be a no?

[Donald Trump]

I love it. The numbers were great. You know what I really love?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I love the inflation.

[Donald Trump]

You know why? Because as soon as this war is over, you know, I can say it now, something you didn't know. Do you know we've been taking out millions of barrels of oil? Nobody knows it. You know who doesn't know about it? Iran. Until right now.

[Leland Vittert]

I Love the Inflation is going to be played on repeat over and over, and there's going to be a lot of people sitting at home, even his advisor, even his supporters, who say, I'm hurting. And Trump seems to be making light of me hurting and me having to tell my family why I can't take them to dinner.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's how people are going to feel interpreted that way.

[Leland Vittert]

How do you interpret. What do you think he meant?

[Bill O'Reilly]

People. What are you going to do? You can't govern by the way people feel. You have to do what's right. For the country. And oil prices will drop significantly if Iran is forced to surrender or sign the deal that Trump wants. I don't think any economist would disagree with that. So nobody, nobody would.

[Leland Vittert]

But I just want to get back to this idea. Bill, I love the inflation. You and I both know that when you and I were working at Fox News, if Barack Obama had said something like that, that out of touch, he would have been filleted, rightly so. And I'm wondering if the president's out of touch, if he was making a joke. What do you think? You've covered and know him for a long time.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I just think he speaks in. It's like the Tower of Babel. He speaks in a way that makes sense to him, but for other people it doesn't. So he likes inflation because he feels, and I'm pretty sure this is true, that after he achieves victory that the high inflation numbers will come down more rapidly than they would if they didn't exist. Now, look, you get into economics all day long. All I know is that oil prices will come down upon the conclusion of this mess.

[Leland Vittert]

But in the mean, it's a mess. Even if he's not going to have to govern this way in the meantime, just like he needs to be forceful with the Iranians, does he need to let the American people know he understands their pain and that he's cognizant of it. It's something he's taking into account. It's something that he wants to fix. And here, Mr. And Mrs. McGillicuddy, this is why it is worth it, because of the danger of the Iranian regime and to finally end this threat to America and the world. This is the pain we must go through collectively. I get it, okay?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I mean, I'm not opposed to doing that. But Donald Trump said he is not going to put on a face of defeat in any part of this, whether it be inflation, whether it be allies not helping out. He's not going to do the defeat thing. He's going to be defiant. He is a defiant president and people voted for him, know that. And that's what he's doing about inflation. He's defiant. It'll come down. So I like it because it's going to come down. Does it make sense? You know, not really. But he sees his role, he sees his role as being a very strong leader who has a plan that's going to work. It's as simple as that. That's how he sees himself.

[Leland Vittert]

And if it doesn't work, he'll pivot which he does often. Bill O'Reilly, thank you very much.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, if it doesn't work. Okay, hold on just one second. If it doesn't work, then the Republicans lose both houses. Please join me and Sid Rosenberg on WABC Radio.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Why would President Trump continue to do interviews like he did last Sunday with Kristen Walker? Now, we know President Trump always says yes. He goes on with even Jake Tapper. Topper's a little better than the Ms. Now and CNN people. But he's also very unpredictable. These other people. He knows what he's getting into. Do you think at some point Kaitlan Collins, still, you think at some point President Trump is going to say enough is enough?

[Sid Rosenberg]

No. I had a long talk with him about this and it was in the body of the media in general and how it's conducting itself in the usa. And his point of view is that he wants his opinion out there and he's willing to take the wrath of the people who don't like him in the media to get the opinion out unfiltered. And he believes that the American people have backlashed against the media so much that him just showing up is a win win. It makes some kind of sense because there is a war between the executive branch, President Trump and the corporate media. And Trump's winning that war. He's winning it. That was my column this week on billoriely.com and if you just look at all of the casualty count in the corporate media, Americans, even if you don't like Donald Trump, you know that these people are trying to hurt him. That is not the role of a journalist. So Americans are rebelling. That's a pretty good word. The ratings are low for television news. The people who hate Trump, like Scott Kelly are not there anymore. Colbert, he's just knocking them down one at a time. He's winning that war.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Although, you know, Pelly was on a news magazine show and Colbert was on a really a late night entertainment. So when is Joe and Mika going to go or some of these other horrible people at actual news networks?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, a lot of them walk the line. See Welker, when he walked in, Trump walked in. Welker could have asked all of those questions and should have, but in a non confrontational way.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Correct.

[Sid Rosenberg]

So I've done more interviews, I think any human being on earth. And when I want something, I'll come in confrontational. I mean, I tell the truth. Like if you're Barney Frank and you're lying to me, I'm gonna come down and the anvil is gonna come down on your head. But most of the time, I ask the question not for condemnation, but for information.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Right. Let me give you a good example of that. There are two young girls, okay? I used to like them both. Now I'm not so sure I like one a lot. One is Rachel Scott. She works for abc. She used to pull in for David Muir. Now Lindsay Davis does, but she's a big time reporter. And she had a bad, bad scrape with President Trump in Chicago when he was running a couple of years ago. You may remember that. And the other is Kaitlan Collins, cnn. They could ask the same question, the same question. And President Trump will not get angry with Rachel Scott, but he'll embarrass Kaitlan Collins every time. Because for some reason, I know you like her. I. I don't. And I was friendly with her. I tried to help her. I would text her and say, caitlin, take it easy. Every now and then, tell him he looks good, then club him about Iran. But you can't walk in there every time and look to fight with this guy at every opportunity. Rachel and Caitlin can ask the same question, but Caitlin's in trouble every time because she doesn't get it. You can't be that way every single time.

[Sid Rosenberg]

And it's after the fact that he objects to most. So what they do and what Ms. Collins does is, yeah, they'll do a Trump, and then they'll load up the panel with four people who hate Trump and one person who doesn't hate him so much, but who's got tape over his or her mouth. So it's stacked. The deck is stacked. You know, when you just turn on CNN or Ms. Or whatever it is, and you look at the panel, it's stacked against Trump. That's what drives him crazy. And Collins is a show every night that does that. Rachel doesn't.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

No.

[Sid Rosenberg]

All Rachel has is access to Trump once in a while. And apparently I don't know this to be true because I'm not privy to it. She's respectful to Trump.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

No, she is. And I talked to her quite a bit. She is the ABC White House correspondent. You know, I'm not sure she voted for Trump. I doubt she did. But she is respectful and she's even. She even likes him. I got to be honest. And I'm not sure Collins didn't like him not that long ago. I think when people come into business contact with Trump before it gets ugly, I think you like them.

[Sid Rosenberg]

He's got a very interesting personal presentation. Sure. Yeah. Okay. And it works a lot of the time. You know, he's a flatterer. He flatters. And, but with Collins, he believes that she's in business to make him look bad.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

And he's right. And she is. So I'm sure tonight she's going to be going on and on. But you know, he wants Carg Island. He's, he's telling Iran. I'm warning you now, it's happening tonight. Tonight, not sometime the next couple of days, not. Get ready tonight. We're going to hit you very, very hard. What does that mean for Iran? What does it mean for Israel? What does it mean for a potential deal which is never going to happen ever, ever, ever. And if it does, I'm never going to comply. What does all this mean, all these threats coming from Trump today?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, I was trying to think of a plan B, just for discussion sake. So you know what you just said is true. These mullahs are not going to, you know, give up their ability to make a nuclear weapon and they're not going to cooperate. They're not going to tell Hamas and Hezbollah to stand down. They're not going to do any of that. Okay, so then what, Then what? You're in an impasse. They're going to continue their terrible behavior, their threatening behavior, and you're the most powerful man in the world and the only leader who gives a fig about this. The others don't care, which is shocking. Okay, so what do you do? You have to basically make it so painful that the country of Iran cannot function. Okay? And they're close to doing that. 80% inflation in Iran, that means people are having trouble buying bread, but they don't care.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

That's the problem. It's not the regime. Regime. It's not the regime yet. Some of them are struggling to go to Afghanistan, but those guys are doing fine. They don't care about the civilians. If they starve to death means nothing. What good is that?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Folks, the folks in Iran care.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

What are they going to do? They don't have guns.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Feed your children. And this is what I wrote this because it was an overthrow of the Shah. And I wrote about how that happened in confronting evil. And so what the, what Israel and America are trying to do is make it almost impossible for the mullahs to function on a day to day basis.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Let's be practical, okay? Let's say you're right. They make it impossible for the mullahs to function. Let's say the people like you just talked about, you're 100% right. They want to Take over what they did back in 1979. Who's gonna arm them? You can't. They already mowed down 40,000 in the streets. I don't have guns, okay? They're gonna lose. So are we gonna arm these people? Who's gonna make the civilians threatening who?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, first of all, you go on a general strike, all right? So nobody does anything. You're not making any money anyway because 80% inflation, you know?

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Right.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Everything. So you've got a band together, and you basically have to tell the government, nobody's working, nobody's going out of the house. Nobody's going to do anything because we don't want you. You're killing our families. That's how a lot of these insurrections begin, with a general strike.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

Gotcha.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Okay. So the people are basically sending a message, we don't want this anymore. And then as far as arms are concerned, you're at the mercy of killers. You're right. That's the only reason they're there. That would have been overthrown a long time ago. Okay. But you have to organize yourself. The people have to organize themselves and say, okay, we can do this, we can do that. Here's what our strategy is. Now. I don't know, maybe they're doing it. There's no reporting coming out of Iran. You can't get anything in and out of there. Nope. But what's likely to happen is that the US And Israel are going to really bomb all the facilities in Iran that get anything to the people. They're just going to wipe them on out all the oil, everything. All right? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then the Iranian people have a choice. You can either overthrow the moas or starve to death. Because they will literally starve to death. Yeah. And that's where we are.

[Unidentified Male Commentator]

You're magnificent of this. You're so good. I love you. Thank you so much.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Appreciate you having me. Sid,

[Bill O'Reilly]

thank you for joining us. Become a bill o'reilly.com program premium member today and I hope you subscribe to my YouTube channel, YouTube.combilloriley.

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