O'Round the World - June 21, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: O'Round the World - June 21, 2026
Host: Bill O'Reilly
Featured Guests: Chris Cuomo, Sid Rosenberg, Mark Simone, Unidentified Interviewers
Date: June 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode covers several major issues in American and international politics, with a particular focus on controversial figures in domestic elections, the ongoing U.S.-Iran negotiations, the evolution of the American progressive movement, and the Trump administration's decision-making on foreign policy. Bill O’Reilly expands on the societal impact of shifting ideologies and offers direct critiques of media coverage and political actors. Key guests include Chris Cuomo and Sid Rosenberg, who provide counterpoints and dialogue on U.S. strategy toward Iran, the role of progressive politicians in America, and the implications of current domestic political contests.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Maine Senate Race Controversy

(Segment Start: 00:48)

• Bill O’Reilly discusses Graham Platner, a controversial Senate candidate in Maine:

  • Platner is running as a Democrat but disavows the label.
  • O’Reilly highlights Platner’s extreme statements and Nazi SS tattoo.
  • Platner has made offensive remarks about both white and Black Mainers.

    “He says crazy stuff all the time. And he's got a Nazi tattoo on his...chest...He said things like, American soldier was killed by the Taliban, was a dumb MFer, didn't deserve to live.” (01:10)

  • Despite this, Platner has a real chance of winning, which O’Reilly finds shocking.

• O’Reilly criticizes Bernie Sanders for supporting Platner:

  • Sanders is portrayed as prioritizing ideology over standards or responsibility.

  • “Bernie Sanders is a sellout, okay? That he doesn't care. He has no standards of who should serve and who shouldn't.” (04:27)

  • Draws historical parallels between current progressivism and totalitarian communism.

2. Rise of the Progressive/Communist Movement in the U.S.

(Segment Start: 04:40, Expanded at 17:51 and 20:34)

• O’Reilly argues that the progressive movement now controls several states (California, Oregon, Illinois, NY, Massachusetts), and likens its growth to unsavory historical parallels:

  > “The strides that this progressive left socialist movement has made in the past 10 years have been extraordinary. It’s almost like the Nazi movement in Germany.” (18:12)
  

• He claims modern progressives have shed “coded” language and now openly advocate the seizure of private property.

• The host expresses dismay at American economic ignorance and warns of the consequences:

  > "What they want to happen is somebody come to their door and hand them money. That's communism. But they don’t hand you a lot of money; they hand you just enough money so you don’t starve your death." (19:22)
  

3. U.S.-Iran Deal and International Diplomacy

(Major segments: 08:40 with News Nation; in-depth starting 26:01 with Chris Cuomo; 47:23 with Sid Rosenberg)

a. Media, Transparency, and Political Calculations

• O’Reilly argues for patience in judging the Trump administration’s Iran deal, criticizing the media for “trashing” it before details are public:

  > “Within five minutes of Trump announcing the deal over the weekend, CNN was already trashing the deal, already trashing it. Had no idea what it was or what it will be, what it might become.” (10:34)
  

• Discusses political motivations, noting Europe’s support for the deal and American media/Democrats’ opposition, tying it to midterm election strategy.

b. Debate: Is the New Iran Deal a ‘Bad Deal’?

• With Chris Cuomo: A heated, detailed exchange over Trump’s Iran deal, its efficacy, risks, and how it compares to Obama’s JCPOA.

• Key points of contention:

  • Whether Iran’s uranium enrichment and compliance were properly monitored.
  • The seemingly vague and unenforceable conditions of the new deal versus the JCPOA.
  • The question of whether to trust Trump's threats and promises regarding military action.
  • Media and official transparency – e.g., who exactly authorized official compliance statements.

  Notable Quotes:

  > “If Iran misbehaves...he’s going to blow them up.” (30:08, O’Reilly referencing Trump’s public threats)
  

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  > “You're asking me for the specific name of people who put out documents before you’ll believe what the Department of State did. But you just take the president at his word... That’s good enough for you.” (41:06, Cuomo)

  > “It happens to do with his legacy. And if. If Iran were to cheat and that cheating be broken by the New York Times or somebody. All right, he's through.” (41:23, O’Reilly)
  

c. Implications for Israel and the Middle East

• O’Reilly and Rosenberg express doubt about Iran’s willingness to comply with the agreement or allow full weapons inspections.

• O’Reilly:

  > “It’s not a good deal for Israel... Israel doesn't get anything out of this. And Trump is not making a deal on behalf of Israel. He’s trying to, A, save his administration, and B, he believes that having a good relationship with Iran by dangling all this money in front of them is better for the world.” (44:45)
  

  • Discussion of the likelihood of military conflict vs. effective diplomacy.

d. Economic and Electoral Calculus

• O’Reilly highlights Trump’s economic priorities:
  • Oil and gas price drops expected to benefit Republicans in midterms.
  • The deal delays reckoning until after elections, which O’Reilly sees as the real motive:

  • “President Trump didn’t want more harm to the American economy, that he didn’t want to lose his power in Washington in the midterm elections. That became the number one motivator...” (49:42)

4. J.D. Vance vs. Marco Rubio: Republican Future and Party Dynamics

(Segment Start: 54:17)

• O’Reilly and Rosenberg discuss rising Republican figures:
  • Debate over Vance's surge in visibility, Rubio’s credibility, and the possibility of leaks influencing Trump's preference for Vance to handle Iran directly.
  • O’Reilly suggests Trump wanted to avoid State Department leaks and keep negotiations tight.

  • “Trump did not want this deal to go into the State Department because of leaks. He wanted a one on one and he got it with Vance. So everything stayed in the Oval Office.” (56:42)

• When pressed on a 2028 favorite, O’Reilly prefers Rubio’s experience at this stage.

5. Broader Warnings & Reflections on America’s Direction

(Throughout, esp. 18:12, 20:34)

• O’Reilly repeatedly draws analogies between the historical rise of totalitarian movements and what he sees in American progressivism.

  > “It’s almost like the Nazi movement in Germany... they kept gathering strength, gathering power, doing untoward things, and finally, he’s the dictator. Now that I don’t believe will happen in America. But that’s the road to assemble power.” (18:12)
  

• He laments public ignorance about economics, the stock market, and capitalism.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:10 | Bill O’Reilly | “He says crazy stuff all the time. And he's got a Nazi tattoo… He said…[a dead soldier] was a dumb MFer, didn't deserve to live.” | | 04:27 | Bill O’Reilly | “Bernie Sanders is a sellout, okay? That he doesn't care. He has no standards of who should serve and who shouldn't.” | | 10:34 | Bill O’Reilly | “Within five minutes of Trump announcing the deal...CNN was already trashing the deal, already trashing it. Had no idea what it was...” | | 30:08 | Bill O’Reilly | "[Trump] said quite clearly...if Iran misbehaves and you'd have to put uranium enrichment in that category, he's going to blow them up." | | 41:23 | Bill O’Reilly | "If Iran were to cheat and that cheating be broken by the New York Times or somebody. All right, he's through." | | 44:45 | Bill O’Reilly | “It’s not a good deal for Israel...Trump is not making a deal on behalf of Israel. He’s trying to, A, save his administration, and B, he believes...dangling all this money in front of them is better for the world...” | | 49:42 | Bill O’Reilly | “President Trump didn’t want more harm to the American economy, that he didn’t want to lose his power in Washington in the midterm elections. That became the number one motivator...” | | 56:42 | Bill O’Reilly | “Trump did not want this deal to go into the State Department because of leaks. He wanted a one on one and he got it with Vance. So everything stayed in the Oval Office.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:48 — Bill O’Reilly opens with the Maine Senate race and Platner’s controversies.
• 03:15–06:00 — Discussion/clip of Bernie Sanders’s support for Platner & critique.
• 08:40–17:13 — O’Reilly’s News Nation appearance: Iran deal analysis and media criticism.
• 17:51–22:00 — On progressive/communist movement in America, private property, historic parallels.
• 26:01–43:01 — Extended debate with Chris Cuomo over the Iran deal, nuclear compliance, political motives.
• 44:14–54:17 — O’Reilly and Sid Rosenberg on U.S.-Iran strategy, Israel’s position, and Republican politics.
• 54:17–58:56 — The future of the Republican Party: Vance vs. Rubio.
• 58:56–End — Closing banter and acknowledgments.

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Episode Takeaways

• On U.S. Foreign Policy: O’Reilly frames the Iran agreement as a calculated, election-driven move by Trump, more concerned with domestic economic and political repercussions than concrete international security guarantees.
• On Progressivism: He warns of the rise of progressive power in America, likening it to historic movements that, in his view, ultimately endangered freedom and private property.
• On Political Strategy: O’Reilly is skeptical of media narratives and emphasizes the importance of precise facts, while engaging in highly adversarial, but illuminating, debates about verification in government and news.
• On Candidate Character: The episode highlights concern about the quality and values of political candidates, both domestically (Platner) and within the GOP’s future lineup (Vance vs. Rubio).
• On Public Cynicism: There’s repeated alarm over the public’s lack of economic knowledge, susceptibility to manipulation, and the failure of the media to provide useful context.

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Recommended Listening If...

• You want direct, unfiltered takes (often provocative) on the intersection of U.S. domestic politics and foreign policy.
• You're interested in vigorous, sometimes combative debates on government transparency, historical analogies in American politics, and the motives of leading politicians.
• You follow ongoing U.S.-Iran relations and are curious about the media’s role in shaping perceptions of international deals.
• You wish to understand conservative critiques of both progressive domestic movements and the mechanisms of U.S. government diplomacy.

Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

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I'm Bill O'Reilly. You're listening to around the World. Let's begin. I reported much on this Platner guy in Maine. I love Maine. Maine's a great state. I've been all over Maine. Okay, if you're a hunter, a fisher person, you like lobster, whatever it may be in the summertime, Maine is great. And in the fall. So this guy decides to run for the Senate, and he's got no competition. He's running a Democratic side, says he's not a Democrat, but he's running there. Graham Platner, okay? So he says crazy stuff all the time. And he's got a Nazi tattoo on his shirt, on his chest, I should say. Shirt hides it, okay? Nazi tattoo, SS tattoo. And he said things like, american soldier was killed by the Taliban, was a dumb MFer, didn't deserve to live. He's way out there, okay? And he's up against Susan Collins, a traditional Republican who's been in the office for a while. This planner guy doesn't care what he says. He doesn't know anything. He has referred to white Mainers as racist and stupid. And then he had another post that asked, why don't black people tip? So he didn't like anybody, okay? Now, this guy might win. He might win. He might beat Collins. I mean, it's shocking. Why would you do that? Why would you cast your vote for a miscreant like this? I'm not even getting into his personal stuff. We don't do that here unless it rises to a certain level. Okay? So Bernie Sanders, another guy, couldn't care less because he himself is a communist. Okay? He's asked about Graham Platner. Here's what he said on June 10.

Go. So what I would urge the people of Maine to do and the people of every state in this country, when you see those ads on television over and over again, ask yourself a few questions. Who's paying for those ads? And the answer is, it will be billionaires. Maybe it'll come from AI. Maybe it'll come from crypto. Maybe it'll come from apac. Maybe it'll come from the military industrial complex. It'll come from some very powerful and wealthy special interest. And then ask yourself, why are they doing.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Why do they want to beat Graham Platinum?

[Bill O'Reilly]

And the answer is obvious. Graham stands for the working class.

[Sid Rosenberg]

And it's prepared to take these guys on.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I mean, Bernie, come on. Stands for the working class. And he calls white Mainers racist and stupid and then asks why black people don't tip. And he's standing up for the working class. Now, Sanders doesn't care about Graham Platner. Couldn't care less. He just wants another progressive in the Senate, hopefully to take over that body, to put in his socialist communist programs. So you could say that Bernie Sanders is a sellout, okay? That he doesn't care. He has no standards of who should serve and who shouldn't. Okay, Bernie, you know, you got every excuse in the book about this guy, and you don't care. You'll vote for him over a respected woman, Susan Collins. So this is where we are now. Bernie Sanders is the head of the progressive movement in this country. AOC is, you know, his meant. She is being mentored by him. You got Elizabeth Warren and the squad and all these people, but Sanders is the guy. He's the elder statesman. And to see somebody with no scruples whatsoever. None. But if you look at the communist movement, it's always the way it's been. So they'll support anybody that'll buy into their programs. And I'm taking this from the Soviet Union, from Cuba, from Vietnam, wherever communism has taken root. China, okay? No matter how heinous you are. I mean, I wrote Confronting Evil, the book. Mao, the biggest mass murderer on the face of the earth. You go to China's faces everywhere. There's Mao, okay? Stalin. Putin's trying to bring him back. He killed millions of his own people. And there's Bernie Go. Oh, yeah, he's the working guy. Yeah, he's standing over the working class. Now, does Bernie Sanders know what Graham Platner has said and done? I don't think so, because it doesn't matter to him. He doesn't care. He wants power. And Sanders is, you know, getting up there. And he must be thrilled about how the progressive movement has advanced. You know, I wrote culture warriors in 2002. I believe I can't believe it was 24 years ago. I predicted what the progressive movement wanted. I never thought they'd get it. But they control California, Oregon, Washington state, Illinois, New York state, Massachusetts. They control both states and maybe Maine. It's frightening because when you really look at what Bernie Sanders and his ilk.

All right.

Ilk. Want is a total government takeover. The government tells you what to do, and you better do it. And they'll take your stuff. Private property is not respected by Bernie Sanders. And you heard it. They say it. And they used to say it in code, but now they come right out with it. Right. Wealth tax the B&Is. We're going to take your stuff. He'd say they got traction. Oh, I hope I don't have to move to the Bahamas. Here's my News Nation appearance with Leland Vitter.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

What is the fairest way to judge what the administration has put out and what the Iranians have said?

[Bill O'Reilly]

You can't judge it now because you don't have the facts. So I don't know whether you saw our friend Chris Cuomo demanding to know 48 hours after the deal was announced by President Trump, what exactly is in it? Who would do that? Who would do that? Who would give critics of the deal and the opposition, the mullahs, five days to go dissemble the deal? What kind of a moron would do that? And I'm not calling Cuomo a moron. I'm just saying it doesn't matter if Friday is D Day. If Friday the deal is signed or not, then we'll all know. But it's not like we're voting on a referendum on this deal.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Right?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Not like the people have any power, their representatives do and they'll see what comes about on Friday. That's some kind of craziness.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Well, J.D. vance says it's a very general document that's a page and a half. So there's a lot there. But why do you think Trump pivoted from Rubio and Hegseth, who are very hawkish and I think clear minded on what the Iranians were up to and what would be required to bring them to their knees to J.D. vance's wanting to have something on paper to move past this?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I think the logical answer, and I don't know for sure, is that it's much easier for Trump to communicate directly with Vance. So Vance is basically going to say what Trump says.

Now.

There are so many things here that are just misreported and it's purpose they misreport on Purpose. Within five minutes of Trump announcing the deal over the weekend, CNN was already trashing the deal, already trashing it. Had no idea what it was or what it will be, what it might become. They're trashing it. Guy named Nick Robertson, you know him because you were in the Middle east and he's there. And I knew that was going to happen. No matter what the deal is, the Democrats are going to trash it and so is the media. So Trump knows that. So basically he said to me, briefly talked to him, look, the things that we have said all along going to come true. If they don't come true, they then it's a legacy play for Donald Trump. He loses credibility. And it's very fascinating to me who wrote Confronting the President to watch the battle of the legacies, which should be a news nation program between Obama and Trump. So the Trump people are saying Obama blew it and he allowed all this money to go into Iran and got nothing out of it. And the Democrats said, oh, no, no, the Iranians stopped their nuclear pursuit, which is absolutely false.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Why did we bomb the tens a year ago?

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Well, the other irony.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, why did that take place?

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Because Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal. But the irony, of course, and I think I'm making your point here, is that the same Democrats who were saying how wonderful the Obama deal is are saying that Trump would be going back to the Obama deal and how terrible that is. Your point about the politics, that is well made. I think that this is far more important than politics because the mullahs are something that you know a lot about, which is they are evil. That is different. That is not a debate over who should pay for health care. That is over survival of the world. Here's J.D. vance talking about exactly why he thinks this negotiation with people who want us all dead is a good thing. Take a listen.

[Chris Cuomo]

This is how wars ultimately get settled. If you go back to World War II, if you go back to World War I, if you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Give them the benefit of the doubt that The World War I thing was just a slip up. But you know a lot about confronting evil. You wrote in Confronting Evil, the only way to truly confront evil is to kill it, because it will never change. Why is that different with the mullahs and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, you're emasculating them. So little rocket man is an evil guy. And North Korea, he's got a nuclear weapon, right?

[Unidentified Interviewer]

He does. And he's, he does. And he's not. He's vastly different than the Iranians.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He's still evil, and he'd kill you if he could.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

He doesn't want to conquer the world and spread Islam.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The way that Trump disarmed the little rocket man was through flattery and making a deal with Xi that, look, you got to keep this guy under control because your economy is going to go first. And it worked. There are a variety of different ways you can deal with evil. Now in Iran, the Israelis say openly, we're not going to be part of this. We're not going to be a part of the deal. No matter what deal Trump makes, the Israelis are not going to sign it. They're not going to be on board. That's a tell, a big tell. Because the Israelis want the ability to strike back anytime they want for any attack on them. And I don't blame Israel. But the United States goals are different than Israel's. We're different. And what you have here is the Trump administration is trying to diminish the power of the mullahs. Whatever the press says, this is going to make the mullahs look weak in the eyes of their own people, okay? Because they have to go to Geneva, they have to sign this thing. And the thing is going to have a bunch of stuff in it that the crazy jihadists aren't going to like.

All right?

It's going to. Now, as far as other stuff, the Strait of Hormuz, that's going to. That's going to take on its own. It's the nukes that are the big thing. And today. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt me. Today, it was reported, and I believe this is true. And when I say I believe it's true, that means I know it's true. There isn't going to be any money to Iran unless the weapons inspectors go in, okay? That's the key to unlocking the frozen funds. And there's not going to be any money on the part of the United States treasury either. It's going to be, as J.D. vance mentioned, the Arab states that want this.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

I'm not sure why that's relevant in terms of what the mullahs are going

[Bill O'Reilly]

to do with the money,

[Unidentified Interviewer]

number one. And number two, the second that the naval blockade is lifted, the Iranians get flush with cash again because they can sell oil. Why. Why are we taking our boot off. Why are we taking our boot off the neck of the mullahs when they've shown us who they are and they've Shown us that they play for concessions in time. Why take our boot off their neck until they've actually done one thing? Anything that is a good deed. They haven't done a single thing.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

And they're getting a concession from. From the United States. Why is that a good idea?

[Bill O'Reilly]

It's not. It's not really a concession. It's a, you do this and the nuclear thing is number one, and then we'll unfreeze some money that you have in banks. I'm of the mind that it's better for the United States and the world.

All right.

To allow these mullahs to devolve their power to devolve. Because in the long run, the Persians, you know, may have had enough. 80% inflation there. Now, this is not going to make the mullahs look good. And the United States economy and the world economy is getting hammered. All of those things are in play. Well, Bill, and you got to deal with them if you're a realistic person.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Yeah, I think, Bill, we may have found a time that you are more optimistic than I am.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Here's my weekly appearance with W O R's Mark Simone.

[Unidentified Host]

Hey, the new book, Confronting America. When can people pre order that?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, just go to billorilly.com and, you know, it's easy to pre order it, sign books a little harder because I can't sign 25,000 books. So if you want it signed, you have to get those orders in early.

[Unidentified Host]

All right, well, go to billorilly.com, the new book, Confronting America. I think you told us about what it's about. Tell us again.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, it's what has to improve to make the country stronger. Let me give you an example. So we have this gathering of strength by the socialist communists in the United States. And not since the 1930s have we seen this yet. The media disguises it. They're not telling you that. Look, these people like Bernie Sanders, aoc, the people in California run the shows there. People in Seattle, Mandami, they're communists. And communists don't believe in private property. That's the big key. So if that's going to be accepted, our whole country turns around and it's not the same country. And the strides that this progressive left socialist movement has made in the past 10 years have been extraordinary. It's almost like the Nazi movement in Germany. So in the late 1920s, nobody thought this nutrition Hitler was going to be anything but they kept gathering strength, gathering power, doing untoward things, and finally, he's the dictator. Now that I don't believe will happen in America. But that's the road assemble power. And we live in a state where you're seeing that right before your eyes. Mandani never got elected 10 years ago ever in a million years. That's just one decade. So that's what the book is about. It's. We have to change these specific things in order to make our country strong in order for you to prosper. You know, it pains me that so many Americans are so ignorant. Economics, for example. And then they don't have any stocks. We have a record high stock market today. They don't have any stocks. What do you think is going to happen? What they want to happen is somebody come to their door and hand them money. That's communism. But they don't hand you a lot of money. They hand you just enough money so you don't starve your death. And so this is the theme of the book. What has to change in America?

[Unidentified Host]

So this whole movement was this carefully plotted over decades by Soros types, by communist China financing it. And was this all one 30 year plot that's been going on?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, I wrote a book back in 2002 called Culture Warriors. I can't believe that it was 24 years ago that I wrote that book. And the Culture Warrior book laid out what the desire was from the Jane Fondas and the far left kooks who wanted a different country, who don't respect America the way it is, don't think it's a noble nation. And when I wrote the book, I said, this is what they want, but I never thought they would get it. And now they're control New York State, Illinois, Washington State, California. Progressives control those states. Maine, Maine, I mean, and I'm looking at him going, you know, the people are gonna have to start to wise up and rise up to stop this or you're really gonna be on a world of hurt ten years from town.

[Unidentified Host]

Yeah. So when I say Chinese Communists, Soros, over the years, they've changed our universities, changed the faculty to radical professors. They've raised generations to vote for this stuff. How do you ever undo that?

[Bill O'Reilly]

The Chinese situation

is

another Cold war. We defeated the Soviet Union in the Cold War. We have another cold war with China. But it's. And China contributes billions of dollars to undermining our capitalistic system. I mean, there's a guy in Shanghai who's pumping all this money in, and you would think the Justice Department be all over this guy, and they are. He can't come to the United States. They'll arrest him. But you know, this guy, people don't know his name. And he is the spear point of getting far left money into America to undermine our system. Now, the Chinese government obviously wants that to happen, but they have one vulnerability the Soviet Union did not have, and that is they have to feed 1.5 billion people. With the Soviet Union, it was, it was a decentralized situation. If you live in Siberia, well, you take care of yourself, all right? And if you can't get enough food, you die. That was Stalin in China. It's, it's more of a collective, you know, we don't want the people rising up against us, so we got to feed them. And that makes China's economy very important to it. Yeah.

[Unidentified Host]

Bill O'Reilly, before we run out of time, the Iran deal, I don't know anybody that really loves it. Is it basically just punting? Is that what it is?

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, I mean, I can't really analyze the deal until I see it. And, you know, we're not going to see it till Thursday or Friday. What the wording is in it. It's funny because the Europeans are all jumping up and down, slapping Trump on the back, saying way to go. Yeah. I mean, across the board, Europe loves it, whereas the American media is trying to undermine it. Isn't that interesting? So Europe says thanks, the American media and of course, Democratic Party, because Democratic Party knows if the deal turns out to be good, that the midterms, that's going to sway it a little bit. Anyway, so I'm watching that story, but nobody knows what's in the actual treaty or deal, whatever you want to call it. But you don't put that stuff out until you got the guy with the pen in his hand because you don't want to queer the deal. I mean, that's a Doesn't do with Pride Month. That's a phrase. You don't want to give anybody anything where they could blow it up at the last minute. And that's what the Trump administration is doing. But then, you know, within five minutes, CNN is jumping up and down. Oh, they won't show us the deal. They won't show us the deal. I can wait till Thursday.

[Unidentified Host]

Hey, Bill O'Reilly's got a new podcast. Well, not that new. It's been out for many weeks now. A lot of great episodes. It's called we'll do it Live. You can see it YouTube, you can see it online or just go to billorilly.com, get a link to it. Latest guest is Anthony Scaramucci he's quite a character, isn't he?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, it was an interesting interview with Scaramucci, who's turned into a very vitriolic Trump critic. And I want to get into why. And we did. We did get into that. We got Gene Simmons coming up. Yeah, he's hysterical. We got Glenn Beck coming up. I mean, you know, this thing has really taken off, which I have no idea about YouTube or any of the tubes and the TikToks, I don't know. But my staff telling me that this is huge.

[Unidentified Host]

Bill O'Reilly, keep up the good work and great talking to you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Chris Cuomo and I duke it out on News Nation.

[Chris Cuomo]

How do you see it?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, this is plan B. So plan A didn't work. Plan A was kill the leadership and the people will rise up and we'll get rid of them once and for all. Didn't work. Was it worth a gamble? You know, they got a lot of credence out of it. You keep mentioning missiles. How many missiles do you think are in Iran? Do you know?

[Chris Cuomo]

No clue. Just like the US Government.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Why are you saying that the missiles then would be some kind of nefarious part of this agreement? I don't.

[Chris Cuomo]

Ask Israel. Ask Israel.

[Bill O'Reilly]

This is not good. This is not Bahrain. This is not a good deal for Israel. But I don't know of any US intel person who believes that their missiles haven't been downgraded severely. I don't know of any. If you can find one, put them on number two.

[Chris Cuomo]

Here's what. Here's what we know, okay? Not just the Wall Street Journal, which you say is the only fair newspaper in existence, but the Journal and other outlets have said we misunderstood how much they had been degraded, that their silos are able to be rebuilt very quickly. But that's not my point, Bill. I don't have to know the right answer. I'm not the President of the United States, but the president of the United States just said, I'm okay with them having missiles. How can I say Saudi Arabia can have them and. And they can't because one of them is an ally state and one of them is a terror organization. I Democrat said that your guys heads would explode.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I didn't. I don't have guys. I didn't hear him say that. Iran having missiles.

[Chris Cuomo]

We just said.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, you just said it. Didn't hear it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay? He said it. I promise.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay? I need to know the context and why, because he just doesn't say sentences. He says long paragraphs. But let's get back to the whole situation. So this is plan B. And then plan B changed because, and this always happens in war because of the damage to the worldwide economy. And Trump made a calculation, look, I can't absorb this. That's why Herbert Hoover rose from the dead and risk a worldwide depression. Plus I think that in the United States, oil prices will come down to down in mid-70s now. It's a big drop from 150 for last week. And Trump hopes that the economy is going to smooth out fast and Republicans will win the midterms. So that was a big calculation. So plan B is underway now. You keep saying that there's no diminishment in Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapon based on what? Who says?

[Chris Cuomo]

Based on this memo, Memorandum of understanding. Well, it's not even mentioned.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It says very clearly that Iran says it will not procure or build or do anything on the nukes ever again. Look, I don't know.

[Chris Cuomo]

That's what they said in the jcpoa. That's what they said a dozen times in different international agreements.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's fine.

[Chris Cuomo]

There's not even a single condition on what happens if they do. In this, we'll see what happens in the ultimate deal. But the President is saying it's better than the jcpoa, Bill. He says this document is better than that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm not into that. Because that's a Democrat.

[Chris Cuomo]

Of course not.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, it's a Democrat, Republican thing. You say.

[Chris Cuomo]

No, it's not. It's a bullshit thing, Bill. It's a bullshit thing. The JCPOA had a list of conditions, calculations and actions that had to be taken. This has none of that, Bill. It can't be as good as the jcpoa. It's not even close to it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I can't.

[Chris Cuomo]

In its degree or its scope.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Look, he said quite clearly in his presser today that if Iran misbehaves and you'd have to put uranium enrichment in that category, he's going to blow them up. And you.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah, he said that 100 times. They're still there.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You don't believe anything he says you don't believe.

[Chris Cuomo]

And that makes me crazy.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The man.

[Chris Cuomo]

No. And that makes me crazy.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You don't believe him. You don't want to believe him. You, you're never going to believe them.

[Chris Cuomo]

And I don't like Trump. So it's. I don't like Trump. It's not because of the facts. It's not that you'd say the same thing if it weren't Trump.

[Bill O'Reilly]

There are no Facts you haven't had.

[Chris Cuomo]

There are no facts.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No. I'll give you one. And you're not going to be able to refute it. Okay.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So after Obama made the deal, the United States and all of the other NATO countries did not supervise the enrichment of uranium. It was not supervised at all. None. Okay, so Iran did what it did. Now, if you can bring in one person.

[Chris Cuomo]

So the iaea grassy. The guy you say you interviewed, IAEA three months before Trump left the deal, said that they were majorly in compliance with the deal.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I didn't hear that.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay, three months before he left. You gotta get his. It's pretty convenient for you to listen to.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I wanna see the guy on your

[Chris Cuomo]

program, then say, wait, hold on, three months before he left. Hold on, three months before. You can just Google it. Type it right now on my.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Google anything, get him on my show, have him on the website.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm happy to get him on the show. I already know. It's a matter of fact. Three months before they reported that Iran was in compliance with the deal, Trump leaves. And within 18 months, they're now enriching up to 80% to be pissed off about the sanctions. And as payback, Trump ending the deal created the situation that he said he had to fix. That's a fact.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The guy that I talked to said nothing like that. And he's a weapons inspector too. And I got him on the record. You get one guy that say that and I'll concede.

[Chris Cuomo]

Trump's State Department said it in 2018. Trump's State Department said it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Who said in the State Department?

[Chris Cuomo]

The Secretary of State. The Department of State put out a statement that they were largely in compliance.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Who put it out?

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, so now, so now. So Pompeo, he wasn't the Secretary of State.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm asking who put it out?

[Chris Cuomo]

The Department of State. It's an official thing. They gave a statement to Congress. Ben, give me who's on the letterhead that went to Congress from the Department of State. I don't understand the point of your question.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The point.

[Chris Cuomo]

Are you saying it wasn't the real Department of State or you just don't like it, or you want to say you didn't hear about it?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I want. I want the name of the person who came out and said, ben, who is on it?

[Chris Cuomo]

Just tell me and I'll. Not that this changes anything, but go ahead.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Of course it doesn't, because you want to believe one thing and the MAGA people want to believe another thing.

[Chris Cuomo]

Let's do it. This Bill, let's do it this way. No, no, no. Because the facts don't have sides. Okay? If you want to say the Department of State didn't say that in 2018, fine.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm not saying who said it and you don't.

[Chris Cuomo]

The Department of State. I don't have to have the name of the person who sent the letter to Congress. It comes from the US Government. I mean, come on, give me a break.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Who signed the letter?

[Chris Cuomo]

You. Benjamin, you are playing a silly formula.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm looking.

[Chris Cuomo]

So you know, so.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So when the Fed pushed out the

[Chris Cuomo]

new interest rate, you can tell me which board governor wrote the letter that says, here's the new interest rate. You can tell me that. And if you don't, then it's not a fact. Come on. This is a specious suggestion.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't believe it's a fact, but I could be wrong. But I know who in the State Department signed the letter because I'm not aware of it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay, you're also not aware that the president just said that the regime should be allowed to have missiles because you didn't hear it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I didn't hear it.

[Chris Cuomo]

And you're not sure about the fact that when he left is when they started enriching uranium to 60% because you didn't know it. So I guess these can't be true.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Bill, the timeline about enriching arraignment. No one knows.

[Chris Cuomo]

No one's on the true.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No one does.

[Chris Cuomo]

That's not true.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Who.

[Chris Cuomo]

Here's the weird thing. Here's the weird thing. One thing. That the iaea. Okay, I'll give you who that the iaea, the idf, and the regime in Iran all agree on one thing, okay? Which is it wasn't until after Trump left and they imposed sanctions that Iran started to exceed their enrichment capacity in gross fashion. Who in three agree with that?

[Bill O'Reilly]

The DEA said that Grassy.

[Chris Cuomo]

G R A S S I on your program? No. Oh, so now if he doesn't say it on my show, I just want.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Not good enough for you so I can find it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, because

[Bill O'Reilly]

we don't know.

[Chris Cuomo]

Go in. Go to Google and type in this. Did I? Oh, Google's no good. Listen, who do you want to believe?

[Bill O'Reilly]

This guy.

[Chris Cuomo]

See what he says?

[Bill O'Reilly]

This guy, Grassy, you're telling me, was allowed into Iran. The mullahs let him go in and evaluate their enrichment program? Is that what you're telling me?

[Chris Cuomo]

Here's what I'm. Here's what I'm saying. One of the major flaws of the JCPOA was That they didn't have great access and their monitoring equipment was. Was messed with. No, they had access. They didn't have the access the way they wanted it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They didn't have any.

[Chris Cuomo]

They believe that the. They know they did have access. They didn't have the access they wanted, and they believe. Will you stop with this stupid level of trying to get to this hard. Oh, yeah, because. Because there's a guy named Scott Flannery, and he's from Massachusetts. He went in. Is. Now, is it a fact now, Mr. O'Reilly, this is nonsense that you want to play with this kind of minutia to avoid the point.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I want to see.

[Chris Cuomo]

The point is this.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm going to try to get him on my show. The point is you just try to get him on your show.

[Chris Cuomo]

You are filibustering because this is an uncomfortable situation, and I understand that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm asking. That's how. I'm not.

[Chris Cuomo]

You're not? No, you are not.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm asking you to back up what you say, because I don't.

[Chris Cuomo]

Everything I just said is demonstrably true. You didn't even believe the president said that Iran's. He's okay with them having missiles. He just said it on my show.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I didn't say I didn't believe it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Well, first you said. First you said, I don't think he said it. Then I said, he just said it. And then you said, oh, now you're misquoted. Come on, Bill.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You know he just misquoted me.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I didn't say.

[Chris Cuomo]

I did not misquote.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I said I didn't hear it. And everybody watching knows it anyway.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, okay. You think that's their takeaway?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Here's, here's, here's the takeaway that I, as an American citizen, please, this is plan B. That it's the best thing for the United States people because of the economic factor, which should have been evaluated by the Department of War and doesn't seem to have been. Okay, but that should have been. When you war game, what's the downside? What's the unintended consequence? All of the Hormuz stuff, okay, should have been in that equation. So. So if we don't get them, it was. I never heard Hegseth say anything about that.

[Chris Cuomo]

I don't know what that jackass says, but what I'm telling you is that people who are involved in the strategy and planning and were stationed in Riyadh during the operations say that the Strait of Hormuz was always a variable. They were aware of and that the administration picked the priorities for the operations.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, if you can get somebody from Riyadh on. I'd like to hear him say that. Look, woman, you throw a lot of stuff out there. They do it all day long on tv.

[Chris Cuomo]

I know, and I'm proven to be wrong so often. My sourcing is so bad.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, get the guy from Riyadh tomorrow.

[Chris Cuomo]

Bill, nobody has ever upset my reporting on anything. My sourcing in that administration is very strong. And I'll tell you what I can do. I can play your game if you want. Find me someone at the Department of War who says they had no idea that the regime was going to do this with the Strait of Hormuz. And they never. They never gamed it out. Find me that guy, and I'll give you ten grand to any charity you want.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay? They may have discussed it, but they did not discuss it in public. We didn't know.

[Sid Rosenberg]

We.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The American people.

[Chris Cuomo]

I thought we weren't supposed to. You're not supposed to give it away, Bill.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Give away.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why would you discuss straight strategy? Can't talk about your strategy in public. Can't talk about this. You give it to the enemy then.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Oh, now that's why they can't talk about it. Is that what we.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yes, because that's what you guys said when he didn't tell us anything about guys.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't have guys.

[Chris Cuomo]

You have a guy.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You have a guy. I try as precise analysis as I can get. If there's somebody in the Department of War who, you know, brought this out to the press, to you, to me, anybody, and said, you know, maybe we don't want to do this because it could impact the world economy. I'd like to hear from that person. Is that all my.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm sure you would. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll put it. I'll put you together with them in private because it's not worth having people lose their jobs. Oh, so that your buddy, Mr. Trump can fire this person and several others along with him.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Do what? Maybe. Maybe a white one.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right, so anyway, look, go ahead.

[Chris Cuomo]

I heard you have something that you want to promote.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I do want to make one more statement about this because it's a very important story. You have a plan B in motion. Okay. Plan A didn't work out the way that the Trump administration and Yahoo wanted. The goal is noble, in my opinion. Get these guys. Get them out of there. Give the Persians some quality of life. So it didn't work. Not unusual. Right. Happens all the time in conflict. But now plan B is in place, and plan B is a more precise analysis than plan A. So Trump says they're never going to be able to enrich this uranium. And if they do, I'm going to blow the hell out of the whole country. Okay, Are you willing to take him out on his word, Colby?

[Chris Cuomo]

No.

[Bill O'Reilly]

There you go. You're not willing to take him at his word. I am.

[Chris Cuomo]

You're asking me for the specific name of people who put out documents before you'll believe what the Department of State did. But you just take the president at his word that he's going to blow up Iran if they start playing with uranium again, because it has. That's good enough for you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It happens to do with his legacy. And if. If Iran were to cheat and that cheating be broken by the New York Times or somebody. All right, he's through. That's the difference. Now, Father's Day. And happy Father's Day to you, but

[Chris Cuomo]

to you as well.

[Bill O'Reilly]

If I were you're a kid, I'd run away. But that's another thing I did. A long form, we call it. We'll do it live with Leland Vitter. Okay. And he has a book on autism and how his father saved him.

[Chris Cuomo]

Beautiful. Yeah, yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And it is a really, really good use of everybody's time. So we break it tomorrow. YouTube has it billorilly.com easy. Just go there, boom, boom, boom. And it'll make you cry.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, yeah. That book made me cry.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Not you.

[Chris Cuomo]

I wanted to hug the. I wanted to hug his father. Oh, listen, I cried reading the book.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay.

[Chris Cuomo]

What a beautiful story. The sacrifice of the father, how proud he is of what he built and Leland obviously built within himself as well. It's an amazing story. All right, I gotta go.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. Just want everybody to consider watching that and demand from Cuomo that he produce all the guests. You'd have a week of shows if you bring in all the guests that

[Chris Cuomo]

I want to show. I know it's because it's not like the president would, you know, would go on a vengeance tour against all my sources or anything like that. Bill O'Reilly, appreciate your perspective. Beautiful idea on Father's Day, highlighting Leland's story with his father.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

Father.

[Chris Cuomo]

It's an amazing, amazing story.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Please join me and Sid Rosenberg on WABC Radio.

[Sid Rosenberg]

I guess tomorrow we could expect the details about this Iran deal. You know, look, I'm a fervent Trump supporter. Call me a sycophant, call me whatever you want. It's all true. I love the guy. I adore the guy. And, you know, he's done more for Israel than any other. President Truman is a very, very distant second. Very distant. Okay. And he's done more for this country, most importantly, than any other president, in my estimation. And, you know, you know, of course, you're the expert on presidents, but I love the guy. And I gotta wait to see tomorrow what's in the details, because I was quick to criticize what I've seen the last couple of days. And maybe it's got to give President Trump, you know, have some faith in him and see what's in the details, because it seems like most people, even Trump supporters like me, are quick to say what they've seen. What they've seen so far doesn't look great. What do you think?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, it's not a good deal for Israel. I mean, that's not going to change.

[Sid Rosenberg]

But what if somebody, somebody says to you, well, that may be true, but President Trump, while he is been great to Israel, and him and Bibi have had a good relationship, I'm not sure it's so good today that he's the President of the United States of America, not Israel.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Correct. So Trump did what he felt was the right thing for the usa, try to get Netanyahu on board. But Netanyahu is a legitimate point. He says, look, if we're attacked, we have to fight back. What are we supposed to do? Just sit there and let us come in like October 7th and no, we have to fight back. And if this is a violation of an agreement, then that's too bad. And Trump is saying, okay, I understand that, but you've got to use restraint. And Netanyahu is not big on restraint. So there is that gulf there. But it's not a good deal for Israel because Israel doesn't get anything out of this. And Trump is not making a deal on behalf of Israel. He's trying to, A, save his administration, and B, he believes that having a good relationship with Iran by dangling all this money in front of them is better for the world, that they'll obey the treaty, if you want to call it a treaty or whatever, because they want to get paid. And that's how he structured the deal.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Look, the deal comes down to the dust, as he likes to call it, which is the uranium. If we don't get it, then the deal failed. And he's already addressed that and said, well, I'll tell you what, if they don't do what I want them to do, Then I'll bomb them again. I'll bomb them over their heads. I'll keep bombing them. So he's made that point. He's been straight up about that. The question is, and I think it's a fair question, how do we get the dust? I mean, do we really expect Iran to turn it over because they say they will? I mean, come on. Or are we ready, willing and prepared to send our people in there to get it? So that's been my main question. Not that I don't have faith in President Trump. He deserves it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right.

[Sid Rosenberg]

He's a great president. I love him. But if this really comes down to the dust, the uranium, their ability to make nuclear weapons. Well, how are we getting it? That's my question.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, the easy way would be to have weapons inspectors go in and then pinpoint what the violations are on Iran. And now that the United nations is involved, they have to certify this agreement. The UN does. That shouldn't be a hard thing to do. But I don't have a lot of confidence going to happen, so.

[Sid Rosenberg]

You don't have a lot of confidence?

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, I don't.

[Sid Rosenberg]

So then what do you think happens?

[Bill O'Reilly]

He got 60 days, President Trump, to iron out the details. And I think at the end of 60 days, you'll have another 60 days.

[Sid Rosenberg]

So we're just gonna keep.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't think the mullahs are ever gonna cooperate.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Oh, I don't either. In fact, that's a guarantee. So then you're looking at one or two choices here. Either you go in and take it, which I think we should have done that anyway, or we're right back to where we were, which is bombing them again.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, bombing is the more likely scenario because American people don't want American ground troops there. And that's understandable because there'd be resistance and there'd be a fairly high casualty count. So bombing. But they need Israeli intelligence, they being the United States, to say, you know, you gotta hit here, here, here. Because Mossad is a really the primary driver of information coming out of Iran, not the American CIA. We have a presence through the Swiss embassy. But Mossad is much more involved in figuring out where stuff is. But I have to say, you know, I'm an honest man, you know, that this isn't the greatest deal Donald Trump has ever made.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, I think that most people would admit that. But the question becomes, is it not the greatest deal or is it a bad deal? I mean, again, I think we still have to wait and see. You know, what. What the details look like, which looks like will be available tomorrow, but, you know, you can live with. It's not the best deal he ever made, but you really can't live with a bad deal. Now, I don't think Trump does bad deals. I really don't. But a lot of people are comparing this deal to the Obama deal. I know he's quick to say, oh, please, that's not the case, President Trump. But a lot of smart people, even Republicans, are saying that it looks an awful lot like it. What are your thoughts on that?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, nobody's gonna know if it's a bad deal until the end of this year, because then that's when everything will start to kick in. But it's clear to me that President Trump didn't want more harm to the American economy, that he didn't want to lose his power in Washington in the midterm elections. That became the number one motivator. Not, you know, what he said three months ago or Israel or none of that. It was, I've got to save my power, and this is the best way to do it, because nobody's going to know if it's a bad deal until after the midterms. And that's true. So we're not going to know. Now, Trump's posture is, look, if we got these guys under control in the sense that they want the money, it's 300 million being bantered around, but that's not really accurate. And he's also said that the American taxpayer isn't going to pay that. And I hope he's serious about that. You know, that's going to come out of frozen funds all over the world. And the Gulf states, the Gulf states are going to make an individual deal on their own behalf because they want to export oil with Iran and Iran will get money out of that. So that, that's President Trump's thinking that, you know, it's not going to be us. It does. It'll be the Gulf states that do it. And we're buying them off. We're buying time. And it's better to do that and de. Emphasize the conflict because it's, it's going to hurt the United States if the Democrats win. That's exactly how Trump is looking at this.

[Sid Rosenberg]

No, I agree that he is. So do you think that he got to this in time? I mean, we're going to see the oil prices and the gas prices start to drop in a big, big way. We already have. I mean, he just announced a deal a couple days ago, and the markets were once again in Trump's favor. So it's going to be dramatic. I think some of these price decreases and that'll work in our favor again. So you think he got to this in time where it's not going to affect the Republicans in negative fashion for the midterms?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Odds are that he has gotten to it in time because the markets, oil markets, move very fast. Now, you're not going to see that at the pump for a little while because the American oil companies want to gouge as much money as they can. So, yeah, they could drop the pump price tomorrow, but they will wait for three weeks so they get more money. Americans don't know, you know, it's all money. They don't care about geopolitics. So I say in three weeks, you're going to see a substantial drop at the pump, and that should go into the grocery store. So by Labor Day, you're going to have a back to normal price range with a surging stock market. And about 60% of Americans are holding stocks. You never hear that from the media, but that stock market is injecting tremendous amount of wealth into families that were smart enough to buy stocks.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Right. That's all true.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And if you're not going to buy stocks, how are you going to participate in a capitalist economy? Well, I don't know.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Right, right, right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So, okay, that's what the socialists say, you know, we shouldn't have a stock market. They don't want any of that. But if you just step back, the surge in stocks has helped everybody who's holding, you know, responsible stock positions. It's college funds, retirement funds, all of that. But you never hear it. You never hear that because that would be in the Trump category. And the media is not going to report that. All the media is going to report is this was a failure. Obama's deal was better than this. That is all you're going to hear in Israel, in Alabama, in Taiwan. That's it. That is what the American media is going to throw out there.

[Sid Rosenberg]

You're right. And I can't stand that. You know, one more. It seemed like J.D. vance was the guy. He's the vice president, of course, United States. And usually in that position, you are kind of next in line. And there's a lot of J.D. vance talk. But then all of a sudden, the last couple of months, Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, has come on big. And a lot of these polls, they do.

[Unidentified Interviewer]

I know.

[Sid Rosenberg]

People discount polls. I don't. Okay, a lot of these polls have Marco Rubio surging if it ever came to a head to head between Vance and Rubio, although Vance still winning even in polls of Rubio has improved dramatically. But yet this week I know the book is coming out. That was his book tour. But you may remember on Tuesday, JD Vance was all over. He did the View and I think he afforded himself actually pretty well against those five tough women. He also did the five on Fox News. He did Megyn Kelly show. He did Fox and Friends. He was everywhere. And it does seem like now maybe he is the guy again. That will be the nominee. I know they're talking about Ron DeSantis and Glenn Youngkin and maybe Haley, I don't know. But it does seem like it's JD Vance's if he wants it. Do you feel that way today?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, he dodged me.

[Sid Rosenberg]

He did. Yeah, me too. I was told that he doesn't really do radio, whatever that means.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, you know, we had him on before but they absolutely dodged me.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Why do you think that's the case? Why? Why do you think that's the case?

[Bill O'Reilly]

He didn't want to answer the specific tough question.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, let me hear one if I. Let's play roll here. So. Hey, I'm JDJ. Hey, Bill O'Reilly. How are you? What's up? What's on your mind today?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Why are you the point man and not the secretary of state? I know why, but I would ask him that.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Okay. And he would say, well, I'm not necessarily the point man. I just, you know, Marco's been doing a fantastic job and he's a great secretary of state. But I was out there.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Why, why are you in Switzerland and not Marco's job against.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, Marco was in China and I was in Maine. So, you know, we've, we've kind of flip flopped.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's, it's not a bad defense. But he doesn't want to answer the question.

[Sid Rosenberg]

What, what do you think? Because you're smarter. I know you are. I believe you every time. What do you think the real answer

[Bill O'Reilly]

is that Trump did not want this deal to go into the State Department because of leaks. He wanted a one on one and he got it with Vance. So everything stayed in the Oval Office because once you go into the State Department or the Department of War or the Department of Interior, then other people are privy. What's happening?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Yeah. But there is some contention and some stories over the last couple of days that even with that said, there were some leaks,

[Bill O'Reilly]

nothing of giant proportion.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Anyway, Trump's a suspicious man. He's seen it before these leaks. I mean, apparently somebody taped a Cabinet meeting and gave it to somebody. I don't. I'm just getting on to that story now. But that's the reason. It wasn't that Rubio was incompetent. He didn't want Rubio's team involved. All Trump wanted was J.D. him and J.D. that's it. And that's what happened.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Well, on the way out here, Bill, another amazing conversation. So good. I enjoyed the role playing, too. That was fun. Bill, I know you don't. You don't talk about preferences. You're a journalist. You. Right down the middle, you know, but for the country, who do you think would be the better nominee in 2028? JD Vance or Marco Rubio?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I've seen Rubio at this point as a more credible profile than Vance. Vance is trying to catch up. But remember, Vance was in with Tucker Carlson and a lot of these people who, let's just say they said questionable things. Is that fair?

[Sid Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. So Vance was. Was there. He. That's why he, in my opinion, seated a little ground there.

[Sid Rosenberg]

All right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Anyway, I want you to have a nice trip, okay?

[Sid Rosenberg]

I'm gonna try. I mean, the Palestinians know me, just so you know, so there's always.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, you call me if you have any problem at all. And I'm serious about that.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Thank you. Thank you. I will.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right away.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Thank you, Bill.

[Bill O'Reilly]

We'll get involved. Those Palestinians don't want. They don't want to see me. I'll go with my nick hat on.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yep.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And you know, we're not. We're not doing that, Bill, I love you.

[Sid Rosenberg]

Thank you. Great conversation.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Have a good time, Sid.

[Sid Rosenberg]

All right. We'll talk in a couple of weeks.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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