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Bill O'Reilly
I'm Bill O'Reilly.
Chris Cuomo
You're listening to around the World.
Bill O'Reilly
Let's begin. You would think that the Democratic Party, which has certainly a shot to take back Congress in November, the midterms, would moderate a little bit. You think that they would say, you know what, the crazy progressives, the communists, the socialists, the trans people, all of this let out of jail, criminal people, we're going to tamp them down. No, that's not happening. The leader of the pack is Bernie Sanders, but he's so old now that he's not the force he used to be. So Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is now the face of the socialist movement. I believe the woman's a communist. I don't know if she knows the difference between socialism and communism. I'm sorry to be super silly is here Word of the day, but I'm not thinking we're dealing with a PhD in political science, even though the congresswoman and I attended Boston University. Obviously not at the same time. Anyway, she's speaking at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics a few days ago, and here's what she says.
Chris Cuomo
Go.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (quoted)
America was founded. You look at Thomas Jefferson writing to Madison in Revolt of British Aristocracy. The American Revolution was against the billionaires of their time. And we are declaring independence from such an extreme marriage of wealth and power and the state that the voices of everyday people did not exist.
Bill O'Reilly
Well, that is just a date. That's a D in any history class. And the only reason she gets a D is that she shows up. Number one, there were no billionaires, Congresswoman. Okay? The king controlled all the wealth in Great Britain. There's no, no billionaires. There were lords, there were landowners. No billionaires. Okay? So the king told everybody what they could and could not have. Kind of like you, all right, You're a queen. That's what the king did. King George. And then this statement that the everyday people's voice did not exist. Well, obviously we won the Revolutionary War because the farmers and the merchants and the regular folks said, enough of this. We don't want to be told what to do. We don't want to Be told by a government what we can and cannot have. Okay. That's why I think that's a voice. And they rose up. Half of them, Half of the colonists didn't want to divorce themselves from the crown, but half did and were successful, as everyone, with the exception of AOC knows. So now she's peddling this nonsense as, oh, there were all these billionaires and they crushed the voice of the people. And that's what we were fighting against in the revolution. That is so crazy, I can't even tell you. The only name she got right were Jefferson and Madison, who would have scorned her, by the way, because they wanted a pursuit of happiness. They didn't want the government to interfering in how you live your life. Okay, so then she's on something called It's Open, which is a podcast, and she continues her socialism touts.
Sid Rosenberg
Go.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (quoted)
There's a certain level of wealth and accumulation that is unearned. Right. You can't earn. Earn a billion dollars. That's right. You just can't earn that. That's exactly correct. You can. You can get market power, you can break rules, you can do all sorts of things. You can abuse labor laws, you can pay people less than what they're worth, but you can't earn that. Right. And so you have to create a myth that since you didn't earn that, you have to create a myth of earning it
Bill O'Reilly
again. Twilight zone time. So earn it billions of dollars. Yeah. You can't go out and be a union person and earn a billion or even a million dollars. What you can do, though, is if you find diamonds in your backyard that are worth an extreme amount of money, if you're lucky, then you can incorporate and form businesses. And those businesses, whatever product they're selling or servicing, they are the earner, but you're running them. And that's how the billionaires, as Bernie Sanders would say, get the billions. They form corporations and they have a product that they invented, or somebody invented
Chris Cuomo
it and they bought it or whatever
Bill O'Reilly
it may be, and then they market the product to 350 million Americans who want the product Apple or something like that, and then they become billionaires. But this woman is no blanket clue of how corporations work, how macroeconomics work, doesn't know anything. Now she calls herself a democratic socialist. What is the definition of that? Well, you go to the Oxford Reference Dictionary and it says that, that democratic socialists are committed to overthrowing capitalism as an economic model while maintaining a commitment to political democracy. Okay, so they want to overthrow the system that allows people to accumulate wealth, which is, of course, unconstitutional, because the government has no right to do that. If you want to accumulate wealth, you can try. Now, the government's going to take a big chunk of it in taxes. Gay. And try to prevent you from amassing a fortune. But if you've got a product, as I said, you'll overcome that. So Cortez is a communist. She wants to overthrow capitalism, and it's really what communism is. And the other stuff is just totalitarian methods.
Chris Cuomo
No, no, no. I want people to vote.
Bill O'Reilly
I don't want them to have a Putin or China system where they're told what to do.
Chris Cuomo
I want them to vote.
Bill O'Reilly
Well, that's nice of her.
Sid Rosenberg
Right.
Bill O'Reilly
So, anyway, look, this is the radical progressive movement, and I thought it was going to be tamped down because most Americans are not comfortable with this, that huge government intrusion. But it's alive and well. Here's my News Nation appearance with Leland Vitter.
Leland Vittert
Confronting evil, both confronting Iran and confronting China. The Chinese, we take a live look at Beijing. The famous saying goes, write the symbol for crisis as both danger and opportunity. Is it fair to say that Trump's presidency is in crisis?
Bill O'Reilly
At this point, I don't think that's fair. I don't think there's a crisis going on. There might be a crisis come Halloween, when the midterm vote is a few days away, but right now, it's complicated, as the cliche goes. So I talked to the president yesterday, and I did so because the Chinese,
Chris Cuomo
you may remember, I was in Beijing a year ago.
Bill O'Reilly
I was hosted by the Politburo. They wanted to ask me questions about President Trump, and I answered them, but I had to debrief the president coming and going.
Chris Cuomo
And that's what I did.
Bill O'Reilly
I mean, I'm in a unique position,
Chris Cuomo
as you probably know of, being a
Bill O'Reilly
journalist, but I'm also kind of a diplomat. I don't know how this even happened. But if I'm going to do a call which is set for tomorrow with the Chinese, I got to let the chief executive know that's happening.
Chris Cuomo
So that was the impetus of me
Bill O'Reilly
talking to President Trump, who was in pretty good spirits. He believes that he will prevail, but it's easier said than done. That's the second cliche I've used, because there's a whole bunch of stuff.
Chris Cuomo
Let me give you an example.
Bill O'Reilly
So one of the things the United States wants from Xi is cooperation to bankrupt Iran, because Iran sell so much
Chris Cuomo
oil to the Chinese.
Bill O'Reilly
And part of the deal is we'll sell it to you. The United States has an overabundance of oil. We'll sell it to you. You don't buy from Iran. And once that deal is even announced, they'll have to surrender because they'll collapse.
Chris Cuomo
The economy will collapse, which is true.
Bill O'Reilly
The problem with that deal is that in order for Xi to do it, he's going to want Taiwan. He's going to want all protections for Taiwan to disappear.
Chris Cuomo
That's how this stuff goes.
Bill O'Reilly
And it's very brutal because the United
Chris Cuomo
States can't really walk away from Taiwan.
Bill O'Reilly
We've been protecting it since 19, what, 46, 47. And that would be a huge victory for China. If the US Said, ah, we don't
Chris Cuomo
really care about Taiwan anymore. That would send signals all over the world. So you can see how complicated this
Bill O'Reilly
is for the President. Now, I don't know any inside baseball,
Chris Cuomo
what he's going to bring to the negotiations. Two days isn't a long time, so
Bill O'Reilly
I assume they'll set the table for a longer chat, but it'll have to
Chris Cuomo
be sometime this summer.
Leland Vittert
All right, so, Bill, I think you're right that the Chinese would demand a very high price to bankrupt Iran. But, you know, you think about this in a different sense. The Iranians and the Chinese both use the same playbook. They both stroke Trump's ego. They both tell him that he's the one who can make a deal. They both offer him these imaginary big wins, and then they turn around and don't deliver on any of them. When is Trump, both with Iran and with China, going to have to demand that all of these flowery promises are met with good actions or there is serious consequences that no one seems to be scared of?
Bill O'Reilly
Well, with Iran, it's easy because there's really two things that are verifiable. Number one, you have to let the weapons inspectors in to see what you're doing with your uranium. Okay. And number two, you gotta get out of the Straits of Hormuz. Nobody can control it.
Leland Vittert
Yeah. The Iranians have been playing Trump along for weeks now. At what point does he look weak by not extracting a price for them making him look silly?
Bill O'Reilly
I don't think he's making them look silly. I think that the American people have expectations of victory seeded by President Trump. But he doesn't want to kill civilians,
Chris Cuomo
and Trump doesn't want to kill civilians.
Bill O'Reilly
He could do it. He and Israel could go in and just wipe out all the communication centers
Chris Cuomo
in the entire country.
Leland Vittert
Oh, come on, Billy. False choice here. You're saying I have a false choice here between killing a bunch of civilians and continuing the war or starting to prosecute the Iranians in a forceful way. There's a big gulf between those two things. But I want to stick on this phone call that you had with President Trump. You say he's in good spirits. What does he feel like he needs right now to get a win that changes the narrative for the American people?
Bill O'Reilly
Well, he needs the Iranians to do those two things I just mentioned, get
Chris Cuomo
out of the Straits.
Bill O'Reilly
How do you know? Because Trump just told us to go tonight.
Leland Vittert
No, because Trump just told us the Iranians said they weren't going to do anything, and that's what their proposal was that he called garbage.
Bill O'Reilly
They weren't going to give up the
Leland Vittert
uranium, the enriched uranium, and they weren't going to reopen the Strait. They wanted to control it.
Chris Cuomo
Yeah, that's what came in today, what's
Bill O'Reilly
going to come in tomorrow.
Leland Vittert
So that's. So look, that's the plan is you see what the Iranians come back with?
Bill O'Reilly
No, I don't know what the plan is, but the threat of military obliteration certainly is there for Iran. But Trump doesn't want to kill all those people, and that. That's what's holding him back from that. I think Netanyahu would go into Mara and kill them all, and maybe that's being unfair, but I believe he would. Trump doesn't want to do that.
Chris Cuomo
Trump's playing
Bill O'Reilly
the game of everything changes every day, which is true. So if he can get Xi on board to help out by pressuring the mullahs to do these two things, then Trump wins this. All right, but then you got Taiwan. What's he going to do about Taiwan? And then you got AI, artificial intelligence.
Chris Cuomo
The Chinese are ripping off the world,
Bill O'Reilly
not just the United States stealing AI stuff. Now there, you can't control it.
Chris Cuomo
China's going to do what it wants. It doesn't care what you think.
Leland Vittert
Well, so when China sees Trump draw these red lines day after day after day with Iran and not follow through, you don't think that emboldens them? How is Trump, in your phone call with him, going to let the Chinese know that there's going to be consequences for their actions?
Bill O'Reilly
But this has been going on for
Chris Cuomo
three years because of Putin.
Bill O'Reilly
So nobody went in. NATO didn't go in. United States didn't go in and push Putin back because they didn't want to start World War Three. So this isn't new. And this is the way diplomacy works. That I assume President Trump will stay to Xi. Look, the clock's ticking and if these people continue to do this, we're just going to blow them off the face of the earth. Now, whether Xi believes that or not, I don't know. I'll get a little taste of it tomorrow when I talk to the Chinese guys.
Leland Vittert
Yeah, you think, you think the Chinese fear Trump?
Bill O'Reilly
Fear him? Yeah, I think they fear him economically because they are going down a chute on their, on their export economy. So, yeah, I think they fear that if they can't sell their goods to
Chris Cuomo
the United States and around the world,
Bill O'Reilly
they got 1.5 billion people to feed every day. That's a daunting task, let's put it that way.
Leland Vittert
All right, Bill, thank you.
Bill O'Reilly
Here's my weekly appearance with W. Mark Simone.
Mark Simone
Hey, I love chess Palmenary. That was a great, great thank you.
Sid Rosenberg
And thank you.
Mark Simone
Not afraid to say that he's not a left wing kook. He doesn't fear Hollywood. That's pretty good, isn't it?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Most of the actors that have reached, I'd say 40, 45 years old because of their life experience, have kind of walked away from the madness on the left. Some of them have liberal sensibilities, but they're not activists like the younger guys are because the younger people in show business understand that the more anti Trump they are, the more jobs will come their way. It's like a transaction. And we see that in music, too. That nitwit Rod Stewart said some very inappropriate things the other day. Well, guess who's going out on a summer tour and the tickets aren't really selling. Yeah, that would be Rod Stewart.
Mark Simone
So he's trying the, trying the Bruce model.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Yeah, well, Springsteen and is a pretty good draw no matter where he goes. I've never figured it out myself. I mean, he's okay, but if I have to choice between Bruce and the drifters, I'm taking the drifters. So anyway. But the ones that are on the margin know they can trade anti Trump feeling for commerce. And that's what you've seen a lot of.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah.
Mark Simone
Hey now, Bill O'Reilly, the president goes to China. Later today. He leaves for the trip. You have just recently been to China. So you know everything he's in for. First of all, how bad is the plane ride?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Well, it's not, not the greatest. You got to bring some books and stuff to amuse you. In fact, in 15 minutes after I get off the Mark Simone show, I'm having a zoom call with some of the politburo over in China at their request. So they want to, I guess, figure out what the last stand is before Trump leaves. And I did talk to the President on Sunday because you have to brief him on this stuff, because I'm in a very unique position. I'm a journalist, but somehow I got dragged into diplomacy. I don't even know how that happened. So I did call, talked to him and told him that this call was set for today. And that'll be interesting to see what
Sid Rosenberg
the Chinese have on their mind. Hmm.
Mark Simone
Now, just tell us some things, like when you're over there, security wise, you can't bring your phone because they'll embed stuff in it, right?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Yeah. You gotta bring a burner phone. You can't use your regular phone. You're being surveilled 24 7. If you're person of note from America, that's for sure. I had one very famous journalist call me up, not going to tell you who it is, and said, hey, I hear they take pictures of you in the shower. I said, number one, nobody wants a picture of you in the shower. And number two, I wouldn't worry about it. They'll tap your phone and they'll probably have a listening device in your room. So I wouldn't be giving away any secrets, but nobody's following you around with a camera.
Mark Simone
Oh, but they will have a microphone in your hotel room.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
The odds are I didn't. I did a James Bond thing in there and I looked all over the place and I didn't find anything but James Bond.
Mark Simone
That was like in the 60s. Nowadays it's so tiny you wouldn't be able to spot it.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Yeah, I mean, and they can do all kinds of things through walls and windows and you have to assume you're being surveilled. It was funny when I got picked up over there at the airport. Mercedes Benz, you know, and the guy who's driving it would have taken you 30 seconds to figure out, this is not a driver,
Sid Rosenberg
this guy, you know,
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
he's not an Uber guy. And he was there to listen and, you know, make sure we got where we're supposed to go.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Yeah.
Mark Simone
So when you meet with Chinese officials, what is your impression of them? Totally untrustworthy, Totally devious?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
No, no, no. They come across the politest people in the world. They are, you know, the ones that I spoke with last May when I was in Beijing, half of them spoke English, half of them use headphones the guys will talk to today.
Sid Rosenberg
They speak English.
Chris Cuomo
Yeah.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
And they're very, very differential. They're not competition at all.
Sid Rosenberg
They're not.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
There are a few menacing guys in there. The director of security, that's, you know, the big guy put it, if you're a weaker, you're in trouble. You know, he can incarcerate anybody wants. Yeah, those are kind of menacing guys, but most of them are very, very polite and they'll never let you know what they are thinking. Yeah.
Mark Simone
If you were to negotiate with them and get something from them, is there any guarantee it'll happen? They're known for never ever living by any negotiation.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
No, but that's all over the world. So you get the best deal you can get and then you get an enforcement clause and that's all you can do because you can't force nations or leaders to do what you want them to do. You try to make it very attractive. And that's what Trump is very good at in his negotiations, saying, look, this is going to benefit you a lot. If you help us out with Iran, Iran is going to be number one in this two day conference over there. The United States could use China's help because these are mad men. These are literally crazy people who would destroy as much as they could destroy. And that's not good for China. So there'll be a number of discussions about that. But China's gonna want some benefits on Taiwan. That's the problem.
Mark Simone
Okay, so if he says, help us, and China says, all right, we'll, we'll help you with Iran. Now they see how much it bothers them, so they whisper to Iran, hey, keep it up. You're really driving them nuts. What are we doing?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Maybe, but it's more likely to be if we help you, Mr. President, then we want you to renegotiate the Taiwan stuff. That's the quid pro quo. Yeah, that's more likely to happen. Deceit is not something that plays well in the international world. It depends on the leadership, of course. But China needs the United States to sell its products and they don't want to get on the wrong side of Trump.
Mark Simone
Yeah, hey, there's a lot of people worried about his safety over there or the poisonous food or something. How safe is he over there?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Listen, compared to New York City, China is about as safe as you can get because there's one real law, Crimes against the people. Which covers everything. Yeah, everything. You spit on a sidewalk. They don't want you spitting on a sidewalk. You know, we'll see you around a couple of months. And no lawyers, no due process. You know, if you're a miscreant in China, you're in trouble because they can arrest you for anything and everything. And they do. And that's how they control the 1.5 billion people that they have living there.
Mark Simone
Hey, now, Bill O'Reilly, you were there. Aside from whatever business you were doing there, did you say to yourself, what a wonderful place, I'd love to come back here?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Well, you know, look, culturally, I got the Great Wall, which was stunning.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
I mean, that was incredible to see that walk, that thing. And then you had Tiananmen Square and then you had, you know, a bunch of stuff that you want to see. I do as a journalist, historian. But, you know, we were three days in Beijing and I said to my son, you said, the lead. He goes, no, because you're, it's an uneasy place. You're not comfortable there and you cannot pursue happiness. That's the big thing in America. You can, you know, pretty much say, I want to do this and give it a try. Not in China. They tell you what to do.
Mark Simone
Well, interesting stuff. Hey, here in New York, you've got, you got these anti Semitic protesters, they're terrorizing people at a synagogue. It happened again last night. You got a mayor that never says a word about it, doesn't do anything. Have you ever seen anything like this in New York?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
I've never seen a man in office as radical as Mamdani. He's the most radical elected official I've ever seen. The guy's a flat out communist. He despises Israel, thinks it's a fascist state. His wife's even worse. And the fact that he's the mayor of New York City does not speak well for the city.
Mark Simone
But as the great historian, we'll get through these four years, won't we?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Oh, yeah, but it's going to be a lot of pain for New Yorkers because of the taxes and the draconian rules that they're going to put into place. And that's why a lot of people are leaving. They don't want to be subjected to this. I mean, you could lose if you're making a lot of money, you're an entrepreneur, so you own your own business, your own restaurant, whatever it may be. You can lose half million dollars in four years. City will take it.
Bill O'Reilly
Yeah.
Mark Simone
Well, Bill no, go ahead, finish.
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Well, I mean, look, you got to sit down with your accountant and go, do I want to lose a half million dollars on my primary business because Mamdani is a communist? I mean, that's what it is. It's income redistribution so the people voted for it because the people who voted for Mandani, generally speaking, don't have any money. And so they want yours.
Mark Simone
All right. Thanks for being with us.
Bill O'Reilly
Chris Cuomo and I duke it out on News Nation.
Chris Cuomo
The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think about anybody.
Jesse Watters
Let's bring in Bill O'Reilly. I don't think about the American financial situation. I just think about the regime not having a nuke vote for Republicans in the midterms. What kind of message is that? Bill O'Reilly?
Bill O'Reilly
Well, number one, I enjoyed your full Elmer Gantry rambling here in the beginning of the program.
Jesse Watters
I hope you heard it. I hope you take it to heart, because you need to live the message I was delivering.
Chris Cuomo
And that's what Elmer Gantry told me, that I need to devote my life to something I was going for.
Jesse Watters
Norman Beal,
Chris Cuomo
Bert Lancaster was, was Elmer.
Bill O'Reilly
Anyway, look, I'm here and, and I'm not really interested in the trivia of this.
Chris Cuomo
I did talk to the Chinese today. Your producers should have informed you of that at noon.
Jesse Watters
What are the Chinese say to you?
Chris Cuomo
I have some pretty good information.
Bill O'Reilly
So, number one, there will be discussions about China helping the United States with Iran to tamp Iran down.
Chris Cuomo
That's number one.
Bill O'Reilly
But in return, the Chinese are going
Chris Cuomo
to want something and that will center around Taiwan.
Bill O'Reilly
Not a handover or anything like that, but maybe the beginning of a discussion about do you like that trade?
Chris Cuomo
Yeah, I think it's good for us. 2049 is the 100th anniversary of the evil Mao Zedong's takeover of China.
Bill O'Reilly
And they want they being the politburo,
Chris Cuomo
want the Chinese flag flying over that island nation. Now, whether that happens or not, who knows?
Bill O'Reilly
It's a long way out. But there's room for discussion about a
Chris Cuomo
number of things with Taiwan. And the Chinese at this point are just trying to get into the room. Now, as far as America is concerned, what do you expect Donald Trump to say?
Bill O'Reilly
He's not going to say, oh, yeah, I'm weak.
Chris Cuomo
I see the prices going up. So I'm going to sell out my original concept of denying Iran nukes.
Jesse Watters
That wasn't the original concept. The original concept was America first. The original concept was prices are everything and they have to come down. And I remember you pounding that mantra to great effect all through the campaign. And then as soon as he got elected, remember what the message was? Bringing prices down Is hard. That was his original history. This is not Iran. Can't have a nuke. He never said that during the campaign. That wasn't a big thing. Now it is.
Chris Cuomo
This is history. This evolves. So you're a President of the United States, Cuomo, and you have intel coming in from the CIA, the nsa, and Mossad that says these people, the Iranians, are very close to getting a nuclear weapon.
Jesse Watters
That wasn't the intelligence he got, I think.
Chris Cuomo
Yes, it was.
Jesse Watters
Well, we just had the US Intelligence agencies put out information that they were not weeks away from having a nuclear weapon, just like Grassi from the iaea. Hegseth either made that up or got it wrong.
Chris Cuomo
Okay. No, it's a Reuters report. That's what you were citing last week, which was totally phony.
Jesse Watters
Oh, really?
Chris Cuomo
How do you know the Wall Street Journal? Because the Wall Street Journal citing the
Bill O'Reilly
Institute for Science and International Security, whereas
Chris Cuomo
Reuters cited nothing, just anonymous sources. The headline was U. S. Israeli Strikes
Bill O'Reilly
Set Back Iran's Ability to Build Nuclear Weapon.
Chris Cuomo
The headline of Reuters that you jumped on was, Iran no Further from Nuclear Weapon than Before War. Reuters is not a legitimate news agency. It's a partisan news agency that hates Trump.
Sid Rosenberg
But.
Jesse Watters
But the Wall Street Journal is a fair broker. Wall Street Journal. No, it's what you think it is, but the Wall Street Journal is a fair broker. And the American intelligence agencies have said nothing about this. So odd in the Trump era. Bill, don't you think that something said that's not true and he doesn't have them speak up and correct it? How do you explain that?
Chris Cuomo
Well, listen, the American intelligence agencies and Mossad and Netanyahu confirmed it. I mean, I know you don't consider him a valid source. Was that.
Jesse Watters
When did I say that?
Chris Cuomo
Within weeks of getting enriched uranium? Okay, So I agree with that. We can wipe them all out.
Jesse Watters
I agree with that.
Chris Cuomo
So if you're a.
Jesse Watters
There's just a difference between having grade uranium and having a weap.
Chris Cuomo
That's all.
Jesse Watters
It's not me making this up. It's called, you know, it's called nuclear physics.
Chris Cuomo
Okay, fine. So if you're a president and this is what you're presented with, and you're presented with a scenario where you can take out the top terrorist leadership of the country. Most presidents, not all, would do that. Okay? So that is not something that's from outer space or a diversion of anything else. Now, the problem is there are unintended consequences, and that's inflation. That's angry voters because they don't like this they don't know about what the danger is. They know about their wallets shrinking. And that's reality.
Jesse Watters
It is.
Chris Cuomo
So President Trump is gambling that he can turn it around, all right, and that all the prices will come down quickly if he. He can negate the Iranian government. So he goes to China, he asks China for help. This is not going to be made public, of course. Okay. China will say either yes or no. But it's in China's best interest, because if you know anything about the country, what they value above all else is order. They don't want disorder. It's bad for business. They don't want Hormuz. They don't want any of this. And I understand that President Trump is going to offer China an alternative oil buy, so they'll be able to buy from the United States.
Jesse Watters
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Chris Cuomo
Rather than Iran.
Jesse Watters
That's a great idea.
Chris Cuomo
Okay.
Jesse Watters
No question about that. Much better than the come build your manufacturing factories here. I hope that's not true.
Chris Cuomo
I don't care about the factories. But there was a reason 16 CEOs went on this trip, and that is
Bill O'Reilly
to negotiate the beginnings of a major,
Chris Cuomo
major trade deal with the United States. That's why they were on the plane.
Bill O'Reilly
But anyway, what we're looking at here
Chris Cuomo
is another gamble by the biggest presidential gambler of all time, Donald Trump. If he wins and the Iranians do pull back and the economy does, you know, explode in a positive way, that's going to mean a lot in the midterms. One more thing that I saw on NewsNation last night, it was shocking. So this guy Moulton, the congressman from Massachusetts, comes on News Nation, and he says, oh, we already had a deal. Barack Obama had a deal. Already had a nuke deal. We didn't do this. Barack Obama had negotiated a nuke deal and they weren't going to develop nukes. Well, if that were true, which it isn't, okay, why wouldn't the mullahs then agree to weapons inspections if they don't have it, if they never did it, if they abided by what Obama wanted, why wouldn't they let you in to take a look?
Bill O'Reilly
I mean, it was.
Chris Cuomo
So I'm sitting there going, are you crazy? And the answer is, of course, yes.
Jesse Watters
Do you hear a lot of people who are knowledgeable about the nature of the jcpoa, which, by the way, had a huge benefit over where we are right now, is that right now we're alone with the regime's biggest enemy, which is the IDF. And then you had the P5, one who had signed onto it that could enforce snap sanctions, leverage their relationships. So just on that, on the face of that one facet of it, it was far superior to where we are right now. But do you believe that all of the experts who say, well, if we had stayed in that we wouldn't be in this situation right now because at least you had something and they wouldn't have been able to enrich the uranium the way they did. Only after Trump walked out of the deal do you say they're all right,
Chris Cuomo
who's going to stop, who's going to stop him from enriching? And weapons inspectors are not allowed in. So who's going to stop him?
Jesse Watters
But why haven't they enriched the uranium until after he walked out of the deal?
Chris Cuomo
I don't know the timeline about enriching uranium. I know that they were doing it when these intel reports came into the President's desk. I talked to the President on Sunday, by the way. I'm not name dropping. I just want people to know I know what I'm talking about.
Jesse Watters
Well, you mean that you're talking to him. That doesn't mean that you have better handle of the facts just because you're talking to the President.
Chris Cuomo
Look, I mean, come on, Cuomo, I have to do my job, okay? And if you don't want to believe it, you don't have to believe it. I'm just reporting what is said and what makes sense.
Bill O'Reilly
All right?
Chris Cuomo
Donald Trump is not a self destructive man. He's not going to blow up the Republican Party and his own administration by doing something that's not necessary. There was no reason to do that. All right? So I am saying that it looks like there is a reason to do it. Now, whether he can get anything done with a genocidal regime like Iran, I don't know. I don't know. And Netanyahu doesn't know. And the Chinese are sitting over there. Again, I'll reiterate this point because an important, important point going, why'd you do it? That's a Chinese view.
Jesse Watters
Why bother with these people, not just the Chinese?
Chris Cuomo
Because China is on one side of
Bill O'Reilly
the globe and Iran's on the other
Chris Cuomo
side of the globe. And China doesn't have to deal with all the terror that Iran is imposing. And so when Trump is over there this week, very important meeting, by the way, the Chinese are, number one, thrilled to have him because it elevates their country in the eyes of the world. Number two, the agenda that they put together is pretty good. He's got the A team over there. Marco Rubio has taken on more and more authority, as he should. He's proven himself okay. And the president and Xi get along personally, which is a very, very important thing. So if you're an American rooting for your country, you want it to all go our way over there, correct?
Jesse Watters
Yes, but I think that it is unfair to accuse people of a lack of patriotism, because that's the implication. So if you don't, if you have
Chris Cuomo
any implication, I ask if you have
Jesse Watters
concerns about the setup and the factors in bringing over big business guys when you're supposed to be helping the American worker, that means that you want America to lose. I reject that pride premise. That's all I'm saying.
Chris Cuomo
Look, I didn't get into any of that, but it's by implication into a very simple question.
Jesse Watters
Right?
Chris Cuomo
Simple question is this is the structure. This is what's happening. Do you want your country to win? And you answered appropriately, I believe. Yes.
Jesse Watters
We'll see. Bill O'Reilly, I appreciate you laying it out for us. Thank you for laying the reporting both from the president and China.
Bill O'Reilly
Please join me and Sid Rosenberg on WABC Radio.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
You went to China a couple of months ago. President Trump was very interested in that whole trip. Now, you've said that. I'm not, I'm not saying something that's out of line. You said that, you know, you talked to him before, you talked to him after. So you got to know China just a little. But it does seem like whatever it's worth, that China has really rolled out
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
the red carpet here the last two
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
days, and they're telling President Trump a lot of things he wants to hear, including, you know what, we'll buy our oil and gas from you. How about that?
Bill O'Reilly (continued, possibly in a different segment)
Yeah.
Sid Rosenberg
I don't know. You know, I talked to the president on Sunday this week, and then I talked to a couple of the Chinese big shots on Tuesday, and look what they say and what they do. You know, I'm not a Chinese sympathizer. I think I understand the culture. And they want to overthrow the United States, the most powerful nation in the world. That's their goal. But the president knows that he is trying to harness some power to deal with the mullahs right now. So what they call triangulation, that's really what's happening over there. You're never going to get what happens behind the scenes. You're going to get the little hoisting of the toast and the tea and then some girl with an umbrella come Dancing by and you know, it's kind of like the old time laughing. But you know, they being Xi and Trump, they understand that they have to impose order on the world. And for the Chinese, order is everything. Everything. And they don't like this stuff with Iran. They don't, they don't like, doesn't help business. And China needs to sell their products. So when we speak with Mr. Met tomorrow, I'm just going to go over to see if his head is made in Shanghai. Is that, Is that head or an American made head or is it.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
I doubt it. It probably is Shanghai or Beijing. But that may change because, you know, as you point out about the business aspect of this trip and a lot of the discussions about Iran and Trump will yell at him or grab him by the ear and say, stop giving those guys weapons and all those types of things. But the business side of this is so huge. Sixteen or seventeen of our biggest and best CEOs, Elon Musk, I watched him on television this morning sitting there with Marco Rubio. And you have Jensen Wang from Nvidia and you've got Tim Cook from Apple and the guy from Boeing as well, Nvidia saying yesterday they're looking forward to selling chips to about 10 different Chinese firms. So it looks like already the business side may be paying off for us.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah, I hope so. We need to calm everything down. But the Chinese have to give back a little bit. They have to help us. And they're never going to do it publicly. They're going to announce it, but behind the scenes, I mean, they got to get these mullies under control because that's just disrupting the whole world's economy. And I'm hoping the President can pull that off and that she will go along with it.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
He seems very confident. And that's Trump.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Of course, that's part of the reason why you love him. Yeah, I know.
Sid Rosenberg
Always going to do that.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Always.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
So, you know, he's, he's not talking about a timeline though. He's just, you know, he talked a couple of weeks ago, May remember, talked about the length of Vietnam, he talked
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
about the length of other wars.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
You know, he said, yeah, but he
Sid Rosenberg
doesn't have it now.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
I told. Exactly. He said, we've been doing this for five weeks. Right. He doesn't have it because the midterms are right around the corner. That's, that's the bottom line. But he was very confident, obviously on
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Tuesday about the midterm outcome. What about you?
Sid Rosenberg
I don't know. I, I mean, all I know is I'm trying to get as much information as possible to do my analysis on those vendors. Another, you know, on wabc, a news nation, the information that I'm getting is that they will, they, the Chinese will make a deal, but they always want a little bit more. You know, it's, it's not like a even deal. They always, they always want a little bit more. And that's difficult. Yeah, yeah. You know, and, but Trump understands that the Chinese are the key to American prosperity in the short term. And that's important because we have to. Once we get this Muller thing under control, I think the economy will bounce back big, which is why you're getting all the dissent from the Democratic Party. They, they know that if this thing goes down. I interviewed Andrew Cuomo on We'll do it Live, which would drop today. And he wants to throw infantry in there and he's like a big let's go. Yeah, I was surprised. Yeah. And we're not going to do that. But certainly there's urgency and the President understands that.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
One of the huge issues, we talk
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
about business, we talk about Iran and a host of other things, but one of the huge issues that has come up during these high stakes meetings, Taiwan.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
And the Chinese are making it very, very clear that keep your distance.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Okay.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
You know, they got Taiwan. Basically the whole perimeter is Chinese military. You know, it's almost that they're going in tomorrow. And the United States have made it very, very clear that if you do that, you can have a big problem
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
with us as well as other countries.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah. China can't do that because of the economic sanctions and all that. But China, people don't understand this around a world. That's an emotional thing with them. So in 2049, that's going to be the 100th anniversary of Mao, one of the most evil people on the face of the earth. People should keep that in mind. His takeover of China, and they avowed that by that date and that gives us some time that the Chinese flag will be flying over, over Taiwan. And you could do it a number of ways. You don't. It doesn't have to be an out and out military takeover because I don't think that will happen. But there can be negotiations about governments that do certain things and that, you know, but they are so emotional about that. And the rest of the world doesn't understand how the emotion. Because she wants to be like the second mal. So like Trump wants to be the best president ever. She wants to be the best chairman ever. And he sees that pathway as China controlling Taipei, which I've been to Taiwan, one of the worst places in the world. Oh, really? I get to tell you stories.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Oh, that bad, huh?
Sid Rosenberg
I couldn't wait to get out of there, boy.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Wow.
Sid Rosenberg
If you go to the night market in Taipei, you'll never go anywhere again. I mean, they're cutting up snakes. Oh, it's like, get me out of here. Yeah. And it's so crowded. It's so dense. You know, it makes queens look like Montana people all over the place. But the other thing is that Taiwanese will fight. They will fight and they're well armed. So it's not like China can just walk right in there.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
No, it'll be a blood.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Yeah.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Be a bloodbath. Like watch a Ukraine. I mean, let's face it.
Sid Rosenberg
But it would be worse in Ukraine.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Even worse.
Sid Rosenberg
Wow. Yeah, because the Taiwanese are. Have really sophisticated weapons. They know how to use them. There's not a big movement to. They don't want to be part of communist China. They want to keep their capitalistic system. But this is, you know, these, these boys are not going to give up easy over there.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
I agree. So, Bill, you're not Jewish, last I checked. Even though you got a lot of Jewish friends, including me.
Sid Rosenberg
I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
I think you want to be.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of chanting.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Chanting is good. But, but, but you.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
You are sensitive to what's going on. I mean, what happened in Midwood?
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Just disgusting swastikas in Queens every night. Now, yesterday at the NYU commencement address, they flew a swastika flag. People murdered on the streets of New York in London. I mean, it is so out of control. Anybody who downplays or minimizes anti Semitism is either stupid or they're an anti Semite. There's only. And then, you know, look, you're a great dad.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
I love Spencer. He's a beautiful boy. Like my son.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
And Spencer would never do or Gabriel, what this idiot Rand Paul's son did, but he did it. You know, William Paul got all drunk in a bar in D.C. and went after Mike Lawler. He thought Lawler was Jewish. And then when he found out he wasn't, he was like, oh, I'm sorry. But he wasn't apologizing for talking about the Jews. He was apologizing for attacking Mike as if he was Jewish. He went on to get worse, said, I wish all Jews were dead. I wish all gays were dead. The Jews this, the Jews that. And I Keep saying all morning long, kids got problems. Okay?
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
So do I. I'm in recovery.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Send the kid away. You want to use drunk as an excuse?
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Fine.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
I will deal with that because I'm in recovery. Where's his father? You're going to tell me that Rand Paul shouldn't say something like, that's not my son. That's not how we raised him. Just say something. How can Rand Paul, a member of Congress in that same chamber as Mike Lawler, not say a word?
Sid Rosenberg
I don't know. I think his wig is too tight.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
He does have horrible hair.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah. Whatever's going on up there cuts the blood flow. So I know him a little bit. Rand Paul is an outlier. I wouldn't say he's irresponsible in. In the way he conducts himself, the senator from Kentucky. But certainly it's not a, you know, it's not a normal thing what's going on. But I don't know any more than that. I think you're correct. If it were your son or my son, I mean, they'd be in some clinic in Botswana. See him like, you know, we're gonna get you out of here, number one, and figure out what the problem is.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Right.
Sid Rosenberg
And then try to lay. Lay low on it. Whereas, you know, St. Paul really hasn't stepped up. But we don't know what happens in family dynamics behind the scenes. We don't know if the boy is suicidal. We don't know any of that. So I kind of veer away from that kind of analysis because I just don't know. What I do know is I'm very disturbed about how the media is handling this anti Semitism. So instead of destroying lives like they did with me too. Okay. I mean, they destroyed thousands of lives. They. The media, and they concocted this incredible thing where, you know, all men were horrible. And what now? When you really have something that is damaging and dangerous, what do you hear from them?
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Nothing.
Chris Cuomo
Nothing.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
No, they run. They run cover for the mayor, who is not going to the Israeli day parade. He'll be the first. And by the way, let's not talk
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
about Jews for a second because people get upset.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Let's talk about Christians. He did not go to the installation. When Ronald Hicks replaced Cardinal Dolan at
Sid Rosenberg
St Patrick's Cathedral, he didn't show up. And. Right. He clearly has no respect for non Islamic religion, which is a hallmark of the fanaticism. You gotta get along.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Right.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
And don't you believe that a lot of these pro Hamas animals, that's what they are some of them, yeah.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
They get paid by Soros.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Not all of them. I'm tired of hearing that, too. There's a lot of really lost people in our society. They got nothing. They got no jobs, no family. They're miserable. They want a cause. This is their new cause. Let me hide my face. Which you can't do in your county, in Nassau county, thanks to Bruce and my. Let me hide my face and hate on the Jews. It's cool now. It's great. Don't you think that the mayor, the way he's talked about the Jewish people, the way he's gotten rid of some of the, you know, the executive actions he did on day one three against Israel on day one. Don't you think the way he acts, the way he talks, he's encouraging these people to do what they do?
Sid Rosenberg
I don't know about encouraging, but he certainly punches Pilate. I mean, he's allowing this kind of carnage take place. There's no doubt about that. But the most disturbing thing to me, and I dealt with this with Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo in that podcast, was the Democratic Party is accepting money, huge money from anti Semites, enormous money. And it's tied in that progressive communist socialist movement with hating Israel and individual Jews. It's all tied in together. Where is Hakeem Jeffries, please? Where's Schumer?
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Schumer's Jewish.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Was he right?
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Where's Bernie Sanders?
Sid Rosenberg
So if you're going to take their money and use it to try to gain power, which the progressive movement is doing, all right, and you're dealing with the devil, all right, and that's okay. It would be like the Republican Party saying, yeah, you know, we're going to take the Klan's money. Well, we're going to take it. Klan run is a big check. I'm going to put it into the RNC treasury.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Yeah, well, I will tell you, you're right. And they're not politicians like the Democrats.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
They are politicians or actually con congresspeople,
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
senators that are out spewing hate every day. But the Tucker Carlson's and the Candace Owens, you know, the overwhelming majority of very smart people believe they're getting paid because why would they do something as
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
stupid as what they do every day?
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Why?
Sid Rosenberg
Well, we speculate on that. I don't know anything about why they do what they do other than when we discuss this, they want attention and any kind of anti Semitic stuff they throw out there or anti Israel stuff. Imagine this story that's going around that the Israeli army was ordered to go in and do what the Russian army did after World War II in Berlin. That's the story that the New York Times is peddling, that the, you know, the Israeli forces were. Yeah, yeah, let's go in and rape everybody. I mean, how insane is this? But it's allowed in the sense that there's no pushback on it. Who's pushing back on it?
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
No one. Nobody.
Sid Rosenberg
I mean, that really is disturbing to me. Yeah. So you have nobody sticking up for the Jews in the sense that this is absurd. This isn't a story about overreaction. All right, to September 7th.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Right.
Sid Rosenberg
Like that. It's not a story about. It's a story about calculation. We're going to go in and abuse these Palestinian people. That's going to be the order of the armed forces. There's not one shred of evidence that points that way.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Not one. Other than pictures that keep getting recirculated over and over again. Videos. You know, we know this already.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
It's. It's old. But you know, Hamas, there's a reason
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
why they set up their headquarters in nurseries and hospitals and mosques and all these places, because when Israel bombs them to kill them, they send out a picture of a little kid bleeding on a rock. And I go, oh, look at these Israelis. They're genocidals and murderers. In the meantime, Hamas does that. It's all very strategic. It's all very smart. See, they won this PR war. I can't believe that people in this country and around the world fell into this, but I knew it was going to be the case on October 9th of 2023. I can play you the tapes. I knew it. They've won the PR war because they do things that are so horrendous and the public can't wait to buy it, including setting up their headquarters in places like this, making it very easy to call Israelis and Jews genocidal baby killers. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are not us.
Sid Rosenberg
Yeah, but then you have to look at who's. Who's allowing this as far as the media is concerned. I mean, where's the pushback on the media? On. And there's none. And I'm going. I mean, the Wall Street Journal occasionally will debunk these myths, but television, they set it out. They don't want to get involved with this. You know, you mentioned Jane Paul. Jay Paul want to go and talk about anti Semitism. I'm sorry. You know, and I'm sitting there going, this is. This is crazy. Our job is to try to get the truth out and to debunk falsehoods. And then the media goes, ah, we're not going to do that anymore. What the deuce are you doing?
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
I don't know.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
I don't know.
Sid Rosenberg
What's your job now?
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
I don't, I don't know.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
I can't even tell you. Like, you know, like, who are my favorite media people?
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
Who are the people I really respect and love and network tv, forget about it. Bill Ritter, I want to kill myself.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
Cable tv, I had you. I like the guys on Fox News.
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
You know, your friends are nice. Sean is great. And Levin and those guys.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
But they're, maybe you can fit them
Unidentified Male Caller/Guest (possibly a commentator or caller)
on one hand, One hand. It's just, it's becoming possible.
Sid Rosenberg
Thanks for having me, sir.
Unidentified Male Host (possibly radio host)
God bless you. The best ever. There he is, the best ever. Bill O'Reilly,
Bill O'Reilly
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In this episode, Bill O’Reilly goes “O’Round the World,” focusing on the intersection of American politics, global diplomacy, and contentious domestic issues. The show features O’Reilly’s signature direct analysis, reactions to recent statements from progressive leaders, and insider commentary on U.S.-China diplomacy and the Iran crisis. Frequent guests and callers weigh in, with cross-talk from Chris Cuomo, Sid Rosenberg, Jesse Watters, and Mark Simone.
This episode blends O’Reilly’s sharp, sometimes caustic, assessments of American progressivism—particularly targeting AOC—with a candid exploration of high-stakes U.S. foreign policy as Trump attempts a diplomatic balancing act with China over Iran and Taiwan. O’Reilly leans heavily into themes of media complacency, dangerous political extremism, and the intersection of commerce and ideology in both Hollywood and international relations.
He uses first-hand experiences in China to paint a picture of the complexity and risk in U.S.–China diplomacy and insists that while order and economic ties are China's primary concerns, their ambitions remain clear. Meanwhile, on the home front, anti-Semitism and radical city leadership are cast as growing threats ignored by the mainstream press.
For listeners, the episode is a survey of how political, economic, and cultural narratives intertwine in shaping America’s confrontations abroad and crises at home.