Public Reaction to Charlie Kirk's Death, Brett Tolman on the FBI's Investigation, & Forensic Psychologist Kris Mohandie on Anti-Kirk Extremism Online

Summary

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Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: Public Reaction to Charlie Kirk's Death, Brett Tolman on the FBI's Investigation, & Forensic Psychologist Kris Mohandie on Anti-Kirk Extremism Online

Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Bill O’Reilly
Special Guests: Brett Tolman (former U.S. attorney—Utah), Dr. Kris Mohandie (forensic psychologist)

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Overview

This episode addresses the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, examining public and media reactions, online extremism, and the ongoing criminal investigation. Bill O’Reilly discusses the amplification of political hatred, the challenges of law enforcement, and why certain narratives dominate the airwaves and social platforms. The episode also features expert insights on the FBI’s role in the Kirk case (Brett Tolman), and the psychology behind the online frenzy following the killing (Dr. Kris Mohandie). O'Reilly closes by reflecting on Kirk's legacy and the broader meaning of evil in society.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Amplification of Hatred and "Whataboutism"

[00:43 - 11:24]

• O’Reilly opens by criticizing what he calls “whataboutism” in political discourse—a tendency to deflect blame by referencing the other side’s faults.

• He argues that the progressive left’s messaging is amplified by major media networks and social media platforms, making their rhetoric more widely heard than conservative voices (ratio “about 5 to 1 liberal to conservative sites”).

• He rebuffs the idea that both sides are equally responsible for the current environment, noting that right-wing extremism lacks comparable megaphone or funding.

• O’Reilly reads and responds to a listener email blaming “Trump and MAGA” for political chaos, dismissing whataboutism as “lazy” and “fifth grade.”

  "Whataboutism is ridiculous, Ken. It really is. ... Nothing comes of whataboutism. It is lazy. It is fifth grade. Oh, he did better. Okay, let's knock that out." (B, 02:23)

• He insists the progressive movement’s revolutionary energy and access to sympathetic media outlets give it far more cultural power than its conservative counterpart.

• O’Reilly references recent events, arguing that unstable personalities drawn into “the dark precincts” of social media and political activism are highly susceptible to agitation and radicalization.

2. President Trump & the Kirk Assassination – The Call for Nonviolence

[11:24 - 12:07]

• O’Reilly praises President Trump’s response to Kirk’s assassination, highlighting Trump’s call for nonviolent reactions:

  "He was an advocate of nonviolence. That's the way I'd like to see." (D, 11:24)

• Trump expresses suspicion that radical-left organizations, allegedly funded by figures like George Soros, are fueling real-world agitation—not simple protest.

3. Investigation Updates & The Role of Law Enforcement

[16:00 - 22:13]
Guest: Brett Tolman, former U.S. Attorney, Utah

• Discussion on FBI’s handling of the investigation, specifically Director Cash Patel’s public communication missteps and transparency efforts.

  • Tolman downplays the significance of Patel’s mistake in prematurely stating a suspect was in custody, asserting that otherwise the FBI has “been an absolutely terrific partner.”
  • O’Reilly and Tolman agree that the investigation is being handled professionally, with prompt DNA evidence collection and analysis.

  "From my vantage point, I have seen nothing the FBI has done wrong in this investigation. Am I missing something?"
  "No. In fact...the FBI has been an absolutely terrific partner." (B & C, 18:33-18:44)

• On Utah's justice system: Tolman notes the state is conservative and fair, with no recent history of death penalty misuse. The likely defense for the alleged shooter will be insanity, but Tolman describes the insanity plea in Utah as "very difficult."

  "They're going to have to show that he has an incapacity to appreciate right versus wrong...his effort to actually hide and conceal after the murder is evidence, the best evidence for knowing." (C, 19:59)

• Tolman dismisses the idea that the suspect’s roommate’s gender transition is directly relevant unless it surfaces as part of a conspiracy or motive.

• O’Reilly and Tolman agree that, due to the high-profile nature and motive, the jury will likely not need extensive convincing.

4. Corporate & Public Reactions to Kirk’s Death

[22:30 - 25:45]

• O’Reilly reports that (per NPR) at least 30 individuals across the country have been fired or suspended for celebrating Kirk’s death online—including employees at major corporations such as American Airlines, Office Depot, Nasdaq, Perkins Coie, and the Carolina Panthers.

• Several NFL teams did not hold a moment of silence for Kirk, which O’Reilly calls a missed opportunity for respect and urges listeners to contact teams with concerns.

  "There's nothing wrong with having a moment of silence. It's respectful." (B, 24:36)

• O’Reilly sharply criticizes Stephen King for spreading a false story claiming Kirk advocated stoning gays, even noting King’s eventual apology.

  "Why would you do that?...It's not true. And King's apologized, but it's way too late, Stevie, baby, you know you need to go and see a therapist." (B, 26:36)

5. Psychology of Online Extremism

[27:54 - 32:39]
Guest: Dr. Kris Mohandie, forensic psychologist

• Mohandie explains that digital platforms reinforce extremism by providing validation communities for radical views.

  • The sense of validation online encourages people to become more strident and less empathetic.

  "There's a lot of validation in the virtual world. I think that people seek it. ... We need to find our humanity here and draw a line in the sand and say, no, this isn't okay to celebrate. It's something to mourn." (F, 28:16)

  • Mohandie estimates the percentage of the population with radicalized views is “single percentages” and that the number willing to take violent action is even smaller.

• O’Reilly describes social media as a “cauldron of hate” and reiterates his view that evil flourishes when good people withdraw from public life.

  "About 15% of human beings around the world are evil." (B, 30:22)

• Mohandie agrees, noting that helplessness and powerlessness in society result in not confronting evil, allowing it to flourish.

6. The Broader Evil in Society & Civic Responsibility

[32:39 - 35:40]

• O’Reilly discusses the broader threat of evil and societal complicity, citing cases like a North Carolina judge who released a dangerous individual who went on to kill, urging listeners to demand accountability.
  • He encourages viewers to contact government officials—specifically North Carolina Governor Josh Stein—and advocates for polite but direct civic pressure for change.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Whataboutism is ridiculous, Ken. ... It is lazy. It is fifth grade.” (B, 02:23)
• “The messaging that the far left progressive movement puts out ... gets vastly heard more than the traditional message just by the nature of the communication.” (B, 04:44)
• "He was an advocate of nonviolence. That’s the way I’d like to see.” (D, 11:24, President Trump)
• “From my vantage point, I have seen nothing the FBI has done wrong in this investigation. Am I missing something?”
  — “No. ... the FBI has been an absolutely terrific partner.” (B & C, 18:33-18:44)
• “They are going to have to show that he has an incapacity to appreciate right versus wrong. That’s going to be a very difficult burden in this case...” (C, 19:59)
• “There’s nothing wrong with having a moment of silence. It’s respectful.” (B, 24:36)
• “Why would you do that? ... You know you need to go and see a therapist.” (B, 26:36, on Stephen King)
• “There’s a lot of validation in the virtual world. I think that people seek it... We need to find our humanity here and draw a line...” (F, 28:16)
• “About 15% of human beings around the world are evil.” (B, 30:22)
• “When the population turns away, then evil rises in a very dramatic way and terrible things happen.” (B, 30:42)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:43 – Main theme: Media amplification, hate, whataboutism
• 11:24 – President Trump’s response to Kirk’s assassination
• 16:00 – Brett Tolman on the FBI investigation
• 19:59 – Insanity plea discussion; Utah justice system
• 22:30 – Corporate reactions, workplace firings
• 24:36 – NFL teams and moments of silence
• 26:36 – Stephen King’s social media statement
• 27:54 – Dr. Kris Mohandie on online extremism
• 30:22 – O'Reilly's 15% “evil” estimation
• 32:39 – Accountability for judges, civic action
• 34:50 – O’Reilly on Kirk’s legacy and final reflections

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Reflections on Charlie Kirk's Legacy

[34:50 - end]

• O’Reilly expresses newfound respect for Kirk after studying his career, noting Kirk’s devotion to bringing conservative and religious ideas to young Americans at just 31 years old.
• He emphasizes the importance of engaging with opponents respectfully and decries any movement—even in opposition—that seeks destruction over dialogue.

  “As long as he’s not pushing hatred or violence, he’s a right to his opinions, the right to state it.” (B, 35:13)

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Tone and Language

O’Reilly’s tone is earnest, direct, and occasionally combative—particularly when discussing media bias, online hate, and what he sees as double standards. He appeals to reason and facts but is unapologetically critical of perceived missteps by public figures and institutions of all political stripes. Guests provide matter-of-fact, expert commentary, reinforcing the main narrative.

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For those who have not listened:
This episode delivers a pointed take on America’s polarized media climate, the ripple effects of a political assassination, and the dangers of digital echo chambers. It features firsthand legal and psychological analysis, and it closes with an earnest call for civic engagement and introspection on the meaning of evil—and our society's willingness to confront it.

Transcript

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Here. Welcome to the no Spin News for Monday, September 15, 2025. Stand up for your country. So, another intense news week unfolding. We are very glad you are with us. We hope you've taken advantage of billoriley.com we have insights there that no one else has about the Charlie Kirk assassination, about Putin, about President Trump. I wrote a column about my meeting with the President on Thursday at Yankee Stadium. We have a message of the day today showing a timeline of exactly what happened, what is true. You got to understand the media. A lot of this stuff they're reporting is not true. And they don't care because nobody holds them accountable. We care. So we have a lot of resources to bring you most accurate information and responsible analysis. Now we begin tonight with the growing chasm. You love that word, chasm. C H A S M in the United States of America. Now I'm going to do this unemotionally, with no ideology whatsoever, which I hope you will find refreshing. But it is a major story. So we all know what happened immediately after the assassination. There was a flood into social media. Never a good thing. There is no policing of social media, no editors, no fact checking, nothing. And many mentally disturbed human beings park themselves in these political websites. Okay, so I get a letter from Ken in New York City. Obviously not going to tell you his last name because I, I don't want anything to happen to Ken. But here's what Ken writes to me. Quote, what about the rhetoric from Trump and Maga? Trump and MAGA are just as responsible for all the chaos we have in politics. Please tell Bill O'Reilly, if he is truly to be fair and express the opinion for both political parties, he should read my email, unquote. Okay, no problem reading your email, Ken. And whether I'm fair or not is up to you. But I'll tell you this, the what about ism is ridiculous, Ken. It really is. You can do that for every story in the world. Well, what about the. Well, you can always find somebody worse or said something. Nothing comes of whataboutism. It is lazy. It is fifth grade. Oh, he did better. Okay, let's knock that out. What about let's deal with the problem at hand. You believe, Ken, that the Trump administration and the people who support it are just as responsible for vitriolic rhetoric as the progressive left. Apparently that's what you are believing. That's fine with me. You're an American. You believe what you want to believe. But I'm going to make a case to you now, that is you cannot refute, all right, about how wrong you are as far as the spread of hatred, verbal hatred. Okay? Now surely, Ken, you know and every other person who owns a television set knows there are five major corporate networks allied with the Democratic party and progressive movement in America. 5 ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Ms. 5. Allied with the traditional conservative movement is Fox News Channel and Newsmax. But Newsmax's audience isn't at the level yet to come close to the others. Okay? So the messaging that the far left progressive movement puts out as well as the Democratic Party gets vastly heard more than the traditional message just by the nature of the communication through the television news agencies. And it's the same thing on social media, about 5 to 1 liberal to conservative sites. So any kind of hatred is amplified at a much greater level on the progressive left. Again, you can't refute it is absolutely true. So to say.

[C]

Oh, oh no.

[B]

They both do it. Well, there are loons in both parties or extremists. But on the right you don't have nearly the megaphone, not even close. And the money factor that drives these social media operations from the progressive point of view is in the billion with a B, billions of dollars pouring into the media matters and all these other places. Right. Doesn't have that. Okay? That's number one. Number two, the progressive movement in America wants to overhaul or overthrow in some cases the entire American system. They don't like capitalism, they don't want laws enforced. They don't like religion. They want to overthrow it all. It's like the Revolutionary War. The rabid people, the loudest voices were the patriots who wanted to throw the king out. They got all the attention. They were the rabble rousers, okay? Because the other people, 50% of them back then, wanted to stay with the king, but they didn't say much or they'd be tarred and feathered. Now the progressive movement is the rebellion. So they're 10 times as loud as the so called silent majority. And again, it's picked up and amplified by a very sympathetic national media. You see, see where we're going here? So if you are an unstable mentally Ill person. And you live in the progressive world. You are constantly agitated. That's what happened to Utah. This kid was in the dark precincts. Agitation, agitation, agitation and boom. He splits, he breaks. Same thing with the kid in Butler. Okay. Try to kill President Trump. All right. Now everything I have said in the last 7 minutes and 49 seconds is true. No. What about none of this, none of that Solid rock truth. So Ken, do you get it now? Are you getting it that the hatred is driven? It's not unique to the progressive left. There is plenty of hatred on the crank right, but they don't have the ability to to get it out there. Let's face it, the US economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered. Thousands of 5 star reviews and an A from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text BILL to 998-899 again that's 866-326-5576, or text BILL to 998999. Did you know that Fast Growing Trees is the biggest online nursery in the USA? Thousands of plants, more than 2 million happy customers. They have everything your yard needs. Fruit trees, privacy trees, shrubs, more whatever plants you are interested in. Fast Growing Trees will deliver your dream yard right to your door. They're alive and thrive guarantee ensures your plants arrive happy and healthy. And this fall they're the best deals up to half off selected plants. Plus my listeners get 15% off the first purchase with code BILL at checkout. That's an additional 15% off with code BILL@FAST Growing Trees.com Again fast growing trees.com code BILL now is the perfect time to plant save today with code Bill offer valid for a limited time terms conditions may apply. And that's the memo. Okay. President Trump, to his credit and I discussed this with him last Thursday said this about the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination. Go. How do you want your supporters to respond, sir?

[D]

I think that way he was. He was an advocate of nonviolence. That's the way I'd like to see.

[B]

People, okay, excellent statement, totally appropriate. But Donald Trump, in his heart sincerely believes that the radical left is a huge threat to this country. And so do I. Roll a tape.

[D]

They get paid for it, their profession, from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a RICO case against him and other people because this is more than like protests. This is real agitation. This is real riots on the street. And we're going to look into that.

[B]

And he's a perfect right to look into it. Now, it's going to be a tough case to make on a RICO against a guy like Soros because Soros got a battery of lawyers and he stays within the law as far as where he moves his money. But there is no question, as I said, huge money coming into these radical progressive organizations and they should be checked out. Okay, update on what's going to happen this week. Tomorrow, the alleged shooter, we say alleged, he did it, but due process is 40 to everybody will be in Utah to answer the charges. He, you know, will be charged with murder. I believe Utah will execute him eventually. It'll be a state case. I don't see a federal charge here could be wrong on that, but I don't think so. The funeral memorial service will be held Sunday night in Phoenix, Arizona at the State Farm Stadium where the Arizona Cardinal football team plays. 63,000 people. Capacity will be sold out. You can go, you have to contact the stadium and give your name and all that. President Trump will be there, as will Vice President Vance and a variety of mostly Republican. But I think Kelly will probably show up, the senator from Arizona, a few others. So that's Sunday. In the meantime, you have to consider a few things that the families and Donald Trump made this point. Family of the shooter is, you know how much damage that is. See, evil spreads. Evil spreads. It's not only Charlie Kirk's family, two little kids and his widow, devastated, changed forever, negatively, it's the family of the shooter parents and I think he had three brothers. Two brothers. They're Mormons, they're conservatives. Their whole lives never be the same. That's what evil does. Cross the board. Here it is. OK. So just keep that in mind. Bill O'Reilly here. I recently sat down with President Trump in Florida and I can tell you he is laser focused on helping America, Americans prosper during his second term. That's why I have joined forces with Alexander Green, chief investment strategist at the Oxford Club for a special presentation called the Rebirth of the American Dream. In this groundbreaking event, you will discover why Donald Trump's policies could trigger an economic boom. How the AI revolution could help create more millionaires than at any other time in history. Details on six specific stocks that could soar during Trump's presidency, and most importantly, how you can achieve the American dream. Now, I followed Alex's work for more than 20 years and he spotted some of the best performing stocks of our time. So please don't miss this opportunity. Visit trumpsamericandream.com TrumpsAmericanDream.com Joining us now from South Dakota is a former U.S. attorney for the state of Utah who knows the system inside and out. Brett Tallman. Cash Patel, head of the FBI, is a report on Fox News today that the Trump administration is turning against him. Do you have any idea why? What, what is causing that?

[C]

Well, I don't believe it. I don't believe, I think what, that, you know, the articles I've seen, they're sourcing individuals within the FBI who were anonymous in their comments. I think it comes as a result of him perhaps jumping the gun too soon, wanting to have transparency and then, you know, let people know what was going on on the ground in the investigation. Perhaps a little too early. He, he indicated that there was a, you know, an individual in custody. That was not the case at that moment. When he sent that out, he had to, you know, backtrack on that. Look, I think this is, you know, it is unusual to see the director of the FBI willing to give, you know, real time information as he gets it. I think he's probably learned a bit from this and, and, and may hold his cards a little closer to, to confirm.

[B]

I mean, what's the big deal? So he made a mistake. So what?

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

I mean, look, I'm not sticking up a Cash Patel. We've been trying to get him on a program for six months. He's given me the big middle finger, so I have no reason. And I'll be honest, he didn't want to answer my questions. I mean, that's the last thing on earth he wants to do. Okay, okay. So I'm not a big fan of Cash Patel at this point in history, but I don't see what the FBI, who's assisting the state of Utah in this investigation, I don't see what they did wrong. Did they do anything wrong that you saw?

[C]

No, I didn't know. And I think, you know, that's a fair point by, by you who, you know, he hasn't come on the show. I'd love for him to come on the show. I think you should answer those some questions that you have for him and I'll tell him that when I talk to him. But I think, look, they, the DNA evidence, they, they did that very quickly that they, they found. They also have been analyzing other evidence quickly, putting it as a top priority. They're doing what they need to do and keep in mind they are going to lead the investigation into whether or not there were co conspirators and if there are, then they will be the point of the spear.

[B]

So that's a conspiracy, right? Right. And Mangino hinted at that today. But again, we're not going to get out of what we know and speculate because that's what all the others do. It's a total waste of everybody's time.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

But just bear with me for one more on this Patel and then I want to get into the state of Utah right now. From my vantage point, I have seen nothing the FBI has done wrong in this investigation. Am I missing something?

[C]

No. In fact, my comments from my friends in law enforcement in Utah, in Utah county that are involved in this have indicated the FBI has been an absolutely terrific partner.

[B]

I'm glad to hear that. State of Utah. Conservative state. Not crazy, but small state. Death penalty is there. Can't remember when the last time it was used in Utah. Can you remember the last time death penalty was used?

[C]

Gary Gilmore was executed.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Yep. I believe Gary Gilmore was the last execution by firearms squad, which is still legal in Utah but very unlikely in this case.

[B]

It is no soft on crime stuff like Chicago and New York City and la. You don't see that, right?

[C]

That's right.

[B]

All right. Mormon based. All right. Which means Christian tenets from the Mormon point of view. So this guy goes through the system, his lawyers are going to plead, you know, he's insane. You know that that's the only way they can go to try to save his butt from the execution. But I have confidence that the state of Utah will be able to try this case in a fair way. I haven't. Again, it's like the FBI haven't seen any evidence where you're handing it over to people who don't know what they're doing. You know, way better than I do.

[C]

Though they do know what they're doing. They've handled their fair share of very difficult homicides. One thing you know, for folks at home to understand, the insanity plea is very difficult in Utah. In essence, they're going to have to show that he has an incapacity to appreciate right versus wrong. That's going to be a very difficult burden in this case because there's plenty of social media, there's plenty of other witnesses that are going to come forward. And his, his effort to actually hide and conceal after the murder is evidence, the best evidence for knowing. Right.

[B]

It's not going to work. He's going to get the death penalty, but it'll take forever. Last question to trans business. Does that have anything to do with this case? Do you feel that that's going to be injected because he's apparently this guy, the alleged shooter was living with a guy who was trying to be a girl or something. Anything there?

[C]

I've not seen anything that suggests that it's a part of the evidence building against, you know, the individual in question here, Tyler Robinson. But I, I do know if there is a conspiracy, if there is an individual, his partner and roommate is involved in it, then it will be injected into it. Because it certainly may be the motivation. It may be what the evidence, you know, that gets presented by a prosecutor to say this was an effort, the motivation behind, you know, this was the justification for his action. So I guess it's too early to tell at this point.

[B]

You bring up an interesting question. Does the prosecutor have to give a motive or just show that he did it? No.

[C]

You're usually there does have to be a motive to get juries, but in this case, I think, I don't think they're going to need a motive because it's so apparent. You know, an assassination is so different than any other homicide. So I think they'll be very, you know, probably relieved that they just.

[B]

It might happen. I mean, certainly the news media wants, desperately wants it, but the prosecution is not going to have to convince the jury.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

The assassin legislation's own family will be enough to do that. That's right, because he was radicalized. All right, Brett, as always, you really deliver very good, pithy analysis, and we appreciate it very much. Thank you.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

There have been, according to NPR, 30 people across the country either fired or put on leave who expressed joy after Charlie Kirk was killed. I think it's a lot more than that, but it's hard to get the whole country involved. But here are the major corporations that have fired people. American Airlines, Office Depot, nasdaq, Perkins Coy, Carolina Panthers football team, University of Miami's health system, Children's Health Care of Atlanta. Just a partial list. So companies have to take it seriously. You can't have haters rocking around screaming about, oh, I'm happy that somebody got assassinated. You can't. It just deteriorates the whole workplace. And so that's what's happening in the National Football League. The commissioner, Roger Goodell, gave each team, home team the choice on whether to have a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk. Five teams did not. They are Detroit Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, Minnesota Vikings, Indianapolis Colts. All right, the Vikings say they honored all victims of recent gun violence. The Steelers, who aren't on that list, said that they're not going to have a moment of silence, but they're going to fly the flags at half master. Look, this is certainly your purview to make a judgment about those teams. If I were you, I would write them a letter to the marketing director and say why didn't you have it? And they'll come back with some excuse. But remember, you can do five things at one time. You can fly the Fred flags that have staff and have a moment of silence. If I were the president of the team, I would have had a moment of silence. Okay? There's nothing wrong with having a moment of silence. It's respectful. Let's face it, the US economy is under stress, national debt rising, trade war shaking the markets. And meanwhile China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver. Theroux, the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax Advantage Gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k tax and penalty free with billions in precious metals delivered thousands of five star reviews and an A plus from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do. Please call 866-326-5576 or text Bill to 998-899. Again, that's 866-326-5576, or text Bill to 998-899.

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[B]

Expedia made to travel display to show the world that we don't condone this. But you know, you know how it is. But if your team's on that list, then call them up. Stephen King. Now I'm picking on him. I'm sorry to do it. I don't know him. I know he is a very ardent far left person. Always has been. He's a Gazillionaire, doesn't need any money, doesn't need to sell books. Certainly his craziness is going to hurt his book sales. So apparently what he did was right after people were expressing grief for Charlie Kirk's death, he said, well, Charlie Kirk advocated stoning gays to death. Just saying, this is Stephen King. Why would you do that? You know why. And number one, it's not true. And King's apologized, but it's way too late, Stevie, baby, you know you need to go and see a therapist. And I'm saying that for your own good, because to say something like that when it's not true, you took it off some crazy, crazy Internet site. That's not responsible. It's not humane. My God. Joining us now from Arcadia, California, is a forensic psychologist, and I. I asked for Dr. Chris Mon Hundy. I hope I'm saying your name right, Doctor, to come on in and. And I set you up with King. I don't understand it. I mean, I'm sure you do because you've seen this kind of stuff, but why would you inject yourself into a horrible situation like this and try to justify some kind of an assassination by saying something bad about the victim? Is this common or what's your take on it?

[F]

Well, I think there's a lot of people on social media having all kinds of strong and strident opinions about this and other things. And that's part of the place where people go on deep dives and get reinforcement for becoming more extreme in their views on all sides of.

[B]

But why do they want to become more extreme? Why?

[F]

Well, I think that there's a lot of validation in the virtual world. I think that people seek it. And it's an unfortunate thing because at the end of the day, we have to find our humanity here. Kind of what you've been talking about. We need to find our humanity here and draw a line in the sand and say, no, this isn't okay to celebrate. It's something to mourn. There are multiple layers of loss and grief to be had here for what, you know, what this terrible incident represents. So, you know, it's not the right response. I believe the right response is to be respectful and to be very clear that this behavior is not acceptable by anyone.

[B]

What percentage of the population do you believe is radicalized? Both sides? What percentage?

[F]

I'm not sure what the percent would be, Bill. I don't know that I have a hard number on that. You know, I'd say it's. It's single percentages. Would be my. My academic educated guess would be, would be single percentage of people that would, you know, have any kind of identification with this and those that be willing to do anything, you know, a fraction of that percentage.

[B]

But it's being spurred on by the social media cauldron of hate. Right. So it's elevated now.

[F]

In years past, you know, you have these kinds of ideas and you seek validation for them.

[B]

You didn't have a forum, there's nobody to go. Yeah, there wasn't a let's kill everybody club except for the Ku Klux Klan and neo Nazi groups and things like that. But my estimation, based on my research of 50 years in the arena, about 15% of human beings around the world are evil. That's why I wrote Confronting Evil. 15, 1 5. All right, now, there's obviously degrees. You read Dante's Divine Comedy and the Nine Circles of Hell, there's obviously degrees of evil. But what I find now in American society is that a lot of people turn away from evil. So it's easy to build a bubble around your life now. And you don't want to deal with, I don't want to deal with this south side of Chicago gang thing. I don't want to deal with this migrant criminal thing. I'm going to just turn away from it. And in the book Confronting Evil, when the population turns away, then evil rises in a very dramatic way and terrible things happen. Are you seeing that?

[F]

I think that I'm seeing a couple things. One is exactly what preceded this discussion, which is validation in the virtual world for things that people wouldn't get validated for before, which, you know, reinforces it. And I do think that when people become so overwhelmed and feel helpless and turn away, it does prevent the boundary setting that needs to take place for some of these ideas and some of these things that occur.

[B]

So, yeah, let me give you a very concrete example. The drug cartels run Mexico, and they run Mexico because everybody's afraid of them. Nobody wants to confront them, including the president of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum. So they've been able to amass an evil empire which kills millions of people all over the world because people just don't want to take them on. And I'm seeing more and more of that people just shrinking inside themselves and their own little virtual world and saying, ah, hell with it. I'm not going to put myself at risk.

[F]

I think that's growing fear and powerlessness, I would agree, are the byproduct of these kinds of things. And many people, they just can't handle it and then they just turn off. It's too much with the day to day that they have to manage their own lives and that translates into helplessness, powerlessness. And then what do you do? You stay and you face it or are you just too overwhelmed and you got to turn away? And I think, I think you're right, Bill. I think a lot of people do.

[B]

Turn away and there you go. And that's all evil needs is arise. Dr. Thanks very much. Appreciate your expertise. And on the evil front, we told you last week that we were going to try to do something about this Judge Teresa Stokes in Charlotte, North Carolina, who allowed this heinous killer out on the street when the judge knew he was dangerous, knew that he was violent and the guy killed the 23 year old Ukrainian woman, Irina Zarutska. She needs to be removed. All right. So we called for the judge in the case, Roy Wiggins, he is a district court judge, has power over Judge Stokes. Who's what he put out, quote. Please be assured that my office is reviewing this matter with careful and deliberate consideration. As this involves a personnel matter, be handled with the confidentiality required by law. I truly appreciate your perspective and concern regarding that this matter. So that's why you're gibberish. I don't know if Wigan's going to do anything or not, but I do know this. All of us can get involved directly by writing to the governor of North Carolina, Josh Stein. Okay. Every single person listening to me right now should fire off. Very polite. You governor, need to get involved. This Judge Teresa Stokes needs to be removed from the bench. You can reach the governor is governor.nc.govcontact/contact.

[G]

Governor Stein, recently we asked some people about sharing their New York Times accounts.

[H]

My name is Dana. I am a subscriber to the New York Times, but my husband isn't. And it would be really nice to be able to share a recipe or an article or compete with him in wordle or connections.

[G]

Thank you, Dana. We heard you introducing the New York Times family subscription. One subscription, up to four separate logins for anyone in your life. Find out [e-mail] family so it's a little bit complicated.

[B]

I'm going to keep it up there for a moment. Now Stein, of course, is MIA he doesn't want to get involved. He doesn't want to get his hands dirty in this. We can force him to by embarrassing him. Now all of our viewers in North Carolina, come on. I mean this is. But everybody listening to me all over the world should get in touch with Governor Stein and say, do the right thing. There is no competent judge in the country that would have allowed this man out on the street. A violent man. She knew he was violent. Beat up his own sister. 14 arrests and you're letting them out? No bail, nothing. Come on. You're not qualified to serve. Madam, I'm back with a final thought about evil in a moment. All right, Final thought of the day. It is very difficult for me to discipline myself in a way that is not emotional, because you got Charlie Kirk. I didn't know him, so I'm not in that world. I'm not in the ideological world at all. I mean, I know the broadcasters, but I don't know the younger people. I might have met him when he was really a kid. But just consider this for a moment. When I was 31, I was lucky I wasn't in prison, okay? I mean, I was still formulating what my philosophy of life would be. I was making a good living reporting the news, but I didn't have any astute vision at 31 years old. Charlie Curtis is 31 years old. Just listen, you know, whether you like him or not, whether you agree with him, it doesn't matter. So he takes his philosophy of life, which is that America is a noble nation, that traditional tenets have made it a strong noble nation, and that Judeo Christian philosophy, religious belief systems contribute in a very positive way to this country, takes all that, all right? And he puts together an organization to bring that message to non believers, like a missionary in college settings. And he tours the country and he's got a website and he's engaged with conversation at the highest level, and he wins over traditional America and then he brings his message out to the rest of the folks. 31 years old, this guy does this. I mean, I'm looking at him going, whoa. If you read Confronting the Presidents, most of the presidents were like me at 31. They were kind of wishy washy. I mean, Donald Trump will tell you at 31, but Kirk, he was right on it. Now, I respect that, all right? And I. Whatever he said individually about certain things, it doesn't matter to me. He's an American. As long as he's not pushing hatred or violence, he's a right to his opinions, the right to state it. Same thing with the ladies on the View and everybody else. It's when you cross that line into, I want to destroy people who disagree with me. But that's not what Charlie Kirk did. He wanted to engage them, right? So once I started to study him and put into perspective his life's work. Boy, oh, boy, it comes out unbelievably impressive. And I wanted you guys to know that I spent a lot of the weekend doing that. Thank you for watching and listening to the no Spin News. I'm Bill O'Reilly. We'll see you tomorrow.