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Episode Title: The Rise of Evil, Dr. Owen Anderson Reflects on Working With Charlie Kirk & Heather Mac Donald Calls out the Media’s Response and Hate Speech
Date: September 12, 2025
Host: Bill O'Reilly
Guests: Dr. Owen Anderson (Arizona State University), Heather Mac Donald (Manhattan Institute)

Episode Overview

This episode revolves around the theme of the "rise of evil" in the U.S. and around the globe, prompted by recent tragic events, notably the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Bill O'Reilly frames these issues within the context of historic evils, the current media narrative, ideological battles on campuses, and America's apparent apathy toward confronting malign forces—both externally and domestically. The episode features notable guests: Dr. Owen Anderson reflecting on his experiences with Charlie Kirk at Arizona State and Heather Mac Donald critiquing the media and academic responses to hate speech and free speech.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Rise of Evil” and Charlie Kirk’s Assassination

• O’Reilly’s Opening Monologue (03:00-10:30)

  • Addresses a surge in evil acts globally: Charlie Kirk’s murder, missiles into Poland, destruction in the Middle East.
  • Draws historical parallels to the 1930s, arguing that America no longer stands at the forefront of the fight against evil.
  • Warns: “We are entering a new age of evil. The last age that we had was in the 1930s with the rise of dictatorships … Now, the United States is not engaged in battling evil any longer.” (09:10)

• Blame and Responsibility

  • Suggests societal apathy allows evil to gain power: “Too many people in the world and in this country are looking away. We allow evil to gather power.” (10:30)
  • Points to progressive policies as facilitating crime and violence, referencing judicial mishandling and public safety.

2. Charlie Kirk, Academia, and Censorship

• Interview: Dr. Owen Anderson (14:49-20:38)
  • Served as faculty advisor to Turning Point USA at Arizona State; only a few professors willing to fill this role due to the campus climate.
    • “The students had a hard time finding a faculty advisor, which is rare, but it shows you the climate at ASU and I think really is a window into the spiritual condition of our universities.” (14:49)
  • Notes faculty hostility: recounts how 37 of 41 Honors College professors protested Charlie Kirk’s campus appearance, branding Kirk with labels (white nationalist, bigot), citing left-wing sources.
    • “These are research professors … and their example of research is Media Matters.” (18:01)
  • ASU’s climate is “off the chart progressive,” with training centered around “problems of whiteness” and “anti-whiteness.”
  • Highlights how rhetoric about “hate” is weaponized:
    • “If you give an argument to suggest that John Money’s sexual philosophy is false, then you’re attacking students. They use that language.” (19:23)
  • Predicts Kirk’s killing won't change progressive academia’s attitude; policies and ideas are merely renamed, not replaced.

3. Media Response and Enabling of Hate

• O’Reilly Critiques Mainstream Media (20:38-24:00)
  • Sharp rebuke for MSNBC, labeling it “vile, hateful,” and accusing it of blackballing non-progressives:
    • “There has never been a more vile, hateful network than MSNBC … What [their CEO] allows is not just opinion, it’s hateful opinion. There’s no dissent.” (20:38)
  • Characterizes Anderson Cooper as “a sniveling coward” for not engaging with differing viewpoints.
  • Observes immediate “blame the victim” narratives after Kirk’s murder. Matthew Dowd on MSNBC cited speech supposedly leading to hate-fueled violence:
    • “Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which then lead to hateful actions.” (23:51)

4. Academic Culture, Student Activism, and the Speech-Violence Conflation

• Panel with Heather Mac Donald (25:17-30:23)
  • Describes how anti-Western narratives and conflation of speech with violence have deeply penetrated even conservative campuses:
    • “Before Kirk was going to speak, there were nearly 7,000 signatories to a petition articulating … that somehow speech equals violence.” (25:17)
  • Links this to a broader “student narcissism,” loss of Western ideals, and forceful ideological orthodoxy:
    • “The universities … are the source of a complete rejection of what has been the founding ideals.” (26:30)
    • “If we can’t agree there’s such things as males and females … I don’t know what the heck we do.” (30:23)
  • O’Reilly draws parallels to Marxist rhetoric, arguing that dissent now justifies retribution under a guise of protecting the community.
    • “If you oppose communism, you oppose the people. You’re hating the people, okay? And so we can execute you, we can kill you, because you’re hating the people.” (27:36)
  • Both agree the situation is unlikely to improve, even in light of tragedies such as Kirk’s murder.

5. Reflections on 9/11 and National Unity

• Lessons from History & Polling on Education (30:23-end)
  • O’Reilly discusses the 24th anniversary of 9/11, his personal memories, and the need for unified education about the threat radical Islam posed.
  • Shares poll result: 60% of Americans support schools teaching that 9/11 was a terrorist attack by radical Islamists; large agreement across political lines.
  • Expresses hope for renewed American awareness and resolve, but remains skeptical about confronting the “evil” within.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On societal apathy:
  • “Many of us in America look away … They want to be on the Internet, … watch football games … They don’t want to be involved with reality. Got to stop now.” (09:45, O’Reilly)
• On academia’s climate:
  • “The hate that's been aimed by faculty members … toward Kirk specifically is monstrous.” (16:19, Anderson)
  • “The prevailing wisdom at ASU… off the chart progressive. We had required employee training to teach us about the problems of whiteness … classes on anti-whiteness.” (18:29, Anderson)
• On the progressive use of language:
  • “If you give an argument [against progressive sexual ideology], then you’re attacking students. They use that language.” (19:23, Anderson)
• On the media:
  • “Anderson Cooper is a sniveling coward. That’s who he is.” (20:38, O’Reilly)
  • “Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which then lead to hateful actions.” (23:51, Matthew Dowd on MSNBC)
• On speech and violence:
  • “Somehow, preposterously, students are put at risk from words that they don’t like … then switches to … violence is justified against violence.” (26:08, Mac Donald)
• On national division:
  • “We’re at a divisive state that rivals the Civil war. There’s no doubt about it.” (30:23, O’Reilly)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:00-10:30: O’Reilly on the rise of evil, Kirk’s murder, media coverage, historical parallels
• 14:49-20:38: Interview with Dr. Owen Anderson about working with Kirk and academic hostility
• 20:38-24:00: O’Reilly’s critique of MSNBC, media response to Kirk’s murder, Matthew Dowd’s comments
• 25:17-30:23: Heather Mac Donald on academic culture, free speech, and societal division
• 30:23-end: Reflections on 9/11, education polling, hopes and doubts about confronting evil

Takeaways

• O’Reilly frames America and the world as entering a dangerously apathetic era regarding evil, drawing lines to global conflict and domestic polarization.
• Dr. Anderson and Heather Mac Donald both highlight the hostility to free speech and robust debate within academia, noting how labels like “hate speech” are weaponized to silence dissent.
• The media, especially MSNBC, is accused of fueling division and targeting conservatives, reinforcing echo chambers.
• The tragic murder of Charlie Kirk is seen as both symptom and possible turning point for national attention and debate, but guests are skeptical that cultural or institutional attitudes will change.
• The episode closes with personal reflections on 9/11, underscoring the persistent need for Americans to recognize and respond to the mounting threats, both internal and external.