We'll Do It LIVE! — Chazz Palminteri

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Episode: We’ll Do It LIVE! — Chazz Palminteri (May 7, 2026)

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Overview

In this vibrant, wide-ranging episode, Bill O’Reilly sits down with acclaimed actor, playwright, and storyteller Chazz Palminteri for a frank and lively conversation. Drawing from their shared backgrounds as baby boomers from modest, working-class families, they discuss timeless values, the legacy of A Bronx Tale, the blurry lines of morality, Italian-American identity, the impact of art and fame, social change, and the pitfalls of power and media in America. Palminteri’s candor, wit, and personal stories drive an engaging, sometimes fiery exchange about contemporary issues, the entertainment industry, and the meaning of integrity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Enduring Power of A Bronx Tale (02:52–04:43)

• Chazz reflects on the universal appeal of his long-running play, now in its 37th year, staged internationally from London to Portugal.
  • “It's been a brand for me. It's my brand that's been there for 37 years. And people just can't get enough of it. ... It says something about the way America... used to be: father, son, mother, values.” (03:59)
• The play's resonance comes from its nuanced moral message: not just black-and-white good vs. evil, but human complexity and the lessons from both criminals and honest workers.

2. Growing Up Working-Class: Codes, Choices, and Temptation (04:43–07:38)

• Both men recount childhoods in tough New York neighborhoods, where “the code”—loyalty, honesty among friends, self-reliance—was paramount, and lines between criminal and honest life were easily crossed.
• Chazz shares a story about his father turning down easy mob money out of principle:
  • “He said, once they get their hooks in you, that's it. ... The worst thing to do with wise guys is say yes, do it for a while, then say no.” (06:29)
• O’Reilly notes how this code has eroded in modern America.

3. Then and Now: Was America Better Before? (07:38–09:47)

• O’Reilly asks if post-WWII America was a better place. Chazz’s nuanced reply acknowledges both the strong community values and the overt racism of the period:
  • “There was really bad racism back then... In some ways it was better, in some ways it's not.” (08:02)
• On self-reliance: both credit their upbringings and lack of wealth as gifts that forged their work ethic and drive.

4. Italian-American Identity, Stereotypes, and Art (10:09–12:35; 23:20–25:38)

• Discussion on Italian-American mob portrayals in arts, criticism from real mobsters, and the controversy over series like The Sopranos.
  • Chazz: “Drama at its core is good versus evil. … Otherwise, you know, do a documentary about the beauty of being Italian. That's fine, you could do that. Basically nobody's going to tune into it.” (10:30–11:33)
• Pride in heritage balanced by a candid refusal to self-censor for correctness.
• On The Godfather: Both praise the casting, the film’s legacy, and its mark on perceptions of Italian-Americans.
  • “To me, it's probably one of the greatest movies, in my top five greatest movies ever made.” (23:25)

5. Working with Legends & Navigating Hollywood (11:46–15:23; 18:42–20:56)

• Chazz talks about his friendships and working relationships with De Niro (never discussing politics), Woody Allen, Tom Selleck, Pacino, and other top-tier artists.
  • “I want to be around greatness. … I know I'll be, I can hold my own. And that's how I feel, you know.” (19:39)
• Shares an electrifying story of one-upmanship acting on stage with Pacino, Buscemi, Goodman, and Cusack.
  • “I go. And I am going back and forth. I'm ripping it up... In my mind, I'm going, ‘Where's Al gonna go with this one?’ … Al just starts. And Al's tearing it up. And he stands up on the throne and he does the last half standing up on the throne. … To see Al on stage is something else, man.” (21:25–23:07)
• The pain and unpredictability of showbiz rejection—his advice for his kids: embrace the “no’s” because persistence pays off.

6. #MeToo, Public Judgement, and Legacy (12:35–15:48)

• O’Reilly asks about Woody Allen’s controversies; Chazz separates art from private life and laments how one’s lifetime of good is erased by public scandal.
  • “Your good deeds are written in water and your bad deeds are written in stone.” (15:51)
  • Expresses empathy about Joe Paterno, Bill Cosby, and the culture of erasure.

7. Race, Reparations, and DEI (27:54–30:13)

• In a frank discussion, O’Reilly pushes Chazz on reparations and whether today’s diversity initiatives are fair or reverse-discriminatory.
  • “Do I... like Billie Holiday over Mother Cabrini. That I don't like. No.” (28:11)
  • Emphasizes the need for merit but expresses understanding for temporary advantages to other groups after centuries of bias: “We had a leg on them for a long time, so it's okay that they have a little advantage on us now.” (29:39)

8. Truth, Media, and Institutional Distrust (31:32–34:39)

• Chazz admits he no longer trusts the media for honest reporting, watches left and right, and feels confusion about what’s real. Both agree deception in public life has become commonplace.
  • “I don't know anymore, Bill. ... I watch Fox, I watch CNN... I want to see what everybody says... but then I look around and I say okay, I gotta understand this for myself, you know. But I don't know, I'm confused...” (31:46)
• Equates current political/media lying with a loss of integrity once policed by community ostracism:
  • “In your neighborhood, in the Bronx, if you were a liar and everybody knew who the liars were...they were, like, ostracized.” (33:33–33:42)

9. COVID, Government, and Hypocrisy (34:39–39:34)

• Chazz voices anger and skepticism about COVID policy: mandatory vaccines for workers, but not for border-crossers; use of medicines given to elites but not ordinary people.
  • “They gave us a shot, a shot that they knew didn't work, that they knew could get people sick. That is wrong. That's wrong.” (37:32)
• Both agree on widespread distrust in government and bipartisan lack of accountability.
  • “Bush lied, nothing happens. Hillary lied, nothing happens. Everybody lies, nobody goes to jail.” (38:30)
• Speculate on collusion between parties and the profit motive of Big Pharma.

10. Fame, Values, and Fatherhood (41:59–48:14)

• Chazz considers himself grounded by therapy: takes his work seriously, not his fame.
  • “I take my work very seriously, but I don't take my fame seriously. … I know who I am.” (42:21)
• Parenting fame: His kids grew up humble and hardworking, not defined by their father’s celebrity, but they appreciate the perks (first class flights, hotel suites).
• The crucial impact of father figures:
  • “But if you didn't have a dad, it would have been tough. ... That's what you're dealing with—a lot of kids today, they don't have... They got nobody over them, and they go the wrong way.” (47:29–47:43)
• Chazz’s father’s message: “The saddest thing in life is wasted talent.”—planted in his and his sisters’ rooms as children.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the American code of loyalty: "You’re loyal. Almost to a criminal extent." — Bill O’Reilly (07:22)
• On growing up poor: "The greatest gift my parents ever gave me was poverty. They gave me so much love, but they didn’t have money." — Chazz Palminteri (09:20)
• On prejudice vs. protection: "My father was the salt of the earth. But if he thought his son was dating a black woman, he would have been upset by that. Not because he was prejudiced... but because ...I don't want this kid to go through this." — Chazz (04:45)
• On art vs. representation: "If you want to talk about art, you have to have drama. Drama at its core is good versus evil." — Chazz (11:07)
• On legacy: "Your good deeds are written in water and your bad deeds are written in stone." — Chazz (15:51)
• On racial progress: "We had a leg on them for a long time, so it's okay that they have a little advantage on us now." — Chazz (29:39)
• On integrity lost: "Everybody lies, nobody goes to jail." — Chazz (38:30)
• On the meaning of life’s work: "There's only two things you can leave behind after you're gone...your art and your children." — Chazz (43:29)
• On wasted potential: "My father... Don't waste your life here. Do something with your life. He instilled that. He made me." — Chazz (47:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:52 – Chazz on the worldwide success of A Bronx Tale, and why it resonates
• 04:43 – Navigating right/wrong in tough neighborhoods; father’s moral lessons
• 07:38 – Comparing America then and now: racism, values, nostalgia
• 10:09 – Italian-American art, stereotypes, and industry pushback
• 11:46 – Working with De Niro, Allen, Pacino; never mixing politics with art
• 15:51 – "Good deeds written in water..."—handling celebrity scandal & legacy
• 18:42 – Mentoring his kids through the challenges of showbiz
• 21:25 – The unforgettable night of acting one-upsmanship with Pacino et al
• 23:25 – On The Godfather’s impact, casting stories
• 27:54 – On the Mother Cabrini statue controversy, racial fairness
• 29:39 – On temporary racial advantages, DEI, and fairness
• 31:46 – Media distrust and seeking truth in a polarized environment
• 34:39 – COVID policy, personal loss, and government hypocrisy
• 38:30 – “Everybody lies, nobody goes to jail” — America’s institutional accountability deficit
• 42:21 – How fame does and doesn’t change a person; parenting through celebrity
• 47:29 – The crucial role of fathers; avoiding wasted talent

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Tone & Takeaways

This engaging conversation is both nostalgic and urgent. Both O’Reilly and Palminteri maintain a conversational, humorous, and sometimes explosive style—especially when discussing integrity, hypocrisy, or family pride. For listeners, the episode offers a master class in authenticity: neither pulls punches, and both reveal the inseparable ties between upbringing, conscience, and adult choices.

Palminteri’s journey from a bus driver’s son in the Bronx to a celebrated artist, mentor, and proud father is a powerful through-line, reinforced by stories of temptation, tested values, and the enduring hunger for honest drama in both life and art.

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Transcript

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[Chazz Palminteri]

Bush lied. Nothing happens. Hillary lied. Nothing happens. Everybody lies. Nobody goes to jail. That's a lie.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So that gets your Italian up.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That gets my Italian up.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Am I allowed to say that?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, you are allowed to say that. Black and white is white. Two and two are four. That's. Could I curse? I mean, I gotta be careful here. Gotta get fired up.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to We'll Do It Live, our long form podcast. So a friend of mine agreed to do the program and a lot of my friends won't do the program because they know how obnoxious I am and so they won't do it. But Charles, Parliamentary and I have been friends for about a decade and we have a lot in common, which you wouldn't think. I mean, get the Irish guy, get the Italian guy. Got Bronx. Chaz got Levittown O'Reilly. But we're both baby boomers. Both came up under the same kind of family situation. Whereas Chaz father was a bus driver. My father's a low level accountant. We didn't have a lot of money. We had used cars. My parents couldn't get rid of me. Get, go out, go play. Be back when the street lights are on, you know, but it was the kid world. It was a kid, not the parent world. And Chaz grew up a lot of the same way. Now, this is an amazing stat. He has had a play called A Bronx Tale. 37 years that play has been viable. And here he is. I can't believe this play is 37 years old. Of course, it was a movie with you and De Niro.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, it was a play first, then a movie.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right, and now you're going To London to do it? Yes. And you get what, 19 shows coming up or something?

[Chazz Palminteri]

I got 19 shows coming up in the United States. And then I decided to do it at the West End. I sold out at the Leicester Square Theater on the West End. I sold out June 6th in 24 hours. Then I'll be in Portugal at the St. George Theater June 10th. And I sold out there.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So it's a universal thing.

[Chazz Palminteri]

It's amazing, Bill. I really mean it. I'm so humbled by it. I really am. You know, it was a big hit as a play, a big hit as a music, a musical, a big hit as a movie. And it just rolls. The musical's still running out of town. It just rolls on, man.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And I don't really understand why somebody in Leicester Square would want to know about the Bronx. Who would want to know about the ethnic upbringing of an American working class in the Bronx. Would they want to know?

[Chazz Palminteri]

It's been a brand for me. It's my brand that's been there for 37 years. And people just can't get enough of it. It's like you don't just see it once. People see it 10, 20, 30 times. I think it just. It says something. It says something about the way America I think I could be romanticizing used to be father, son, mother, values. It's really, really see, it doesn't make Where Goodfellows was one of the great movies of all time that was about black and white. My plays about gray and gray. Sonny is telling the boy exactly the same things as the father.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And he's the mob guy, but he's the mob guy.

[Chazz Palminteri]

But he's saying, stay in school. Make something out of yourself. Don't be like these jerk offs around here. You know, do something with your life. Don't do what I do. Do it. And so it's so weird. And so it's like the essence of. You have to navigate. You have to navigate with him. How do you tell what's good and what's bad? Sometimes good doesn't look. It looks good, but it's a little like my father was. My father was the salt of the earth. But if he thought his son was dating a black woman, he would have been upset by that. Not because he was prejudiced, because my father was also over trained and he had black fighters. It was because he looked at me and said, I don't want this kid to go through this. In this neighborhood where Sonny, you would think he was prejudiced. He wasn't.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But your father could have Been a mob guy. Anybody in the Bronx could have been mob.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, my dad. Nah, he didn't. My dad was just always so sweet and humble. Me, I could have been. Absolutely. No question. I could have been.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. But your father, who came obviously before you, chose to be a working person.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And to forego the easy money of shaking people down and doing what the mob did.

[Chazz Palminteri]

More than that bill, he was offered $150 in 1960. $150 was a lot of money. Our rent was $38 a month, and all he had to do was pick up numbers. A guy was going to hand him a slip of paper on one bus stop. He was going to go to the end, the last stop, and hand it to another guy. That's all he had to do. For $150, he would not do it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Did he ever explain to you why?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Well, yeah, he said, well, as I got. When I got older, he explained to me. He said, because once. He said, once they get their hooks in you, that's it. He says if you're going to say no, you have to say no from the beginning. He says the worst thing to do with wise guys is say yes, do it for a while, then say no. Can't do that. No.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They don't like that.

[Chazz Palminteri]

They don't like that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So you mentioned that it was a different era, different country. You know, United States, coming off World War II, you're a baby boomer. So am I. Yeah. And we lived according to a code. And you're a Catholic.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes, I am.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I am. Okay. And the code was you don't lie, particularly to your friends.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I mean, I lie to my parents. I was the biggest.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Big.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Oh, huge.

[Chazz Palminteri]

So. Right. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And you, you're loyal.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Almost to a criminal extent.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The other way, if your friends are in trouble, you're not a rat, you know, rat. And it was a simpler way of life because there was a code, particularly here in New York.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Where you were and I was. That code is gone.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So the question then becomes, and you have to keep it. And you mentioned it, the African American experience as well. Was it a better country Post World War II, when you and I were kids coming up, than it is now.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Wow. You know, no one's ever asked me that question, like you just did. Was it a better country? I think. I don't know if it was a better country because I still believe we're the greatest country in the world. Was America as a whole in a better space? You know, there was really Bad racism back then, that I have to say. So I can't say it was better. I say it was less out in the open. The problems, I mean, the racism in the 50s and 60s was pretty bad, so I wouldn't want to have that again. But in some ways it was better. In some ways it's not.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I think that's a fair answer.

[Chazz Palminteri]

I think so. Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That we are a country even today that's struggling to do the right thing about certain social problems that are very, very difficult and people see things different way. I mean, look, you and I in a million years would never have voted for Ma'.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Am.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Donnie.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

In a million years, never. Okay. Because our experience is you're self reliant, you make it on your own.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. You, you go into the arena, you fight the fight.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And you come out either bloodied or successful.

[Chazz Palminteri]

I, I think that's what makes, that's what made America great, is, is that you had to do. You can do it, but you got to do it. You know the old cliche, pick up yourself by your bootstraps and do it. The greatest gift my parents ever gave me was poverty. They gave me so much love, but they didn't have money. So to me, I was like, you know, my age now, I still work as hard as ever.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But you don't work for money though. No, I mean, you're an artist. I saw you in the Bronx Tale. It's amazing how your delivery is flawless. I don't work for money either, but I understand what you're saying. It was, look, we're poor, so what we'll get, we'll work.

[Chazz Palminteri]

So we're not exactly.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And we'll have a different circumstance, the Italian thing. So you haven't come under a lot of scrutiny. I came a little bit before you with Colombo and those guys. Real big time mobsters.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That objected to actors and people like you portraying Italians.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

As gangsters.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

What do you feel about that?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Well, you know what? Colombo, Colombo was a gangster and a very big gangster and a very tough gangster. So, you know, if you're going to walk the walk, you know, talk the talk, you got to walk the walk. Colombo used that look. Was he a proud of Italian? Yes, but he was also a gangster at the same time. So I don't want to hear Colombo tell me we were gangsters now. But can, can you tell me that I can't play a gangster in a movie? People hated the Sopranos. I said, why did you hate the Sopranos? Sopranos, to me Was a great, great television series. Why do you hate it makes Italians look bad. But if you want to talk about art, you have to have drama. Drama at its core is good versus evil. That's it. That's what drama is. To show the good, you have to show the evil. It's very simple. Otherwise, you know, do a documentary about the beauty of being Italian. That's fine, you could do that. But basically nobody's going to tune into it. A lot of people won't tune into it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, the tenors might get some people, but yes. The truth is that in the New York area, organized crime is dominated by Italians.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And there's a history to it I wrote about in Killing the Mom.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No question.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Now, when you were making a film with Robert De Niro, explosive guy, brilliant actor, no doubt about it. Did you guys ever come up against each other politically because he so left.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Oh, no, no, not at all. I never talked politics with Bob. Ever. Never. No. I believe in everyone has the right to be whatever they want. You know, I'm an independent. You know, each election I decide who I want to vote for. But never once, even till this day, never once do I ever talk politics with Bob. I respect Bob to the ultimate high heavens. He's an artist.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And he didn't saw with you.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Never. Never. We never done that. We all. Yeah, never ever. He's one of my dear friends and I love him to death. And we'd never talk about that.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Now Woody Allen, I know a little bit and obviously he's had a very controversial life.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Any inkling of that when you were working with him?

[Chazz Palminteri]

No, but if, if the movie I did, I. I don't know anything about Woody's personal life at all. As an artist, he's like to me like Charlie Chaplin. He. He will be looked at many years from now like that. His personal life. Yeah. I mean probably could have made better choices, but he, to me he's. But you could see in his art when I did Bullets over Broadway, let's

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Chazz Palminteri]

about each artist creates his own moral universe. If you listen to the dialogue on that and it was almost like him speaking, you know, to me. But I never spoke with him about his personal life because that's his. And I don't know right or wrong what happened, but I know as an artist he's truly one of the greatest that ever lived.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Did you feel sorry for him when he got into that trouble?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, I did. I did. Because, you know, I don't know who said it, it was in the Bible, but they said you, your good deeds are written in water and your bad deeds are written in stone. And it's, and it's amazing. You know, it's like Joe Paterno who had 50 years at Penn State and then because of a misjudgment of not, you know, telling his friend that he should have, you know, informing the authorities on his friend, all the good deeds he did, gone. Bill Cosby, all the good deeds he gone. Temple University, taking down his statues. All these people that did so much in their whole life, their legacy, gone. That breaks my heart. It really does. I see that and I go, my God, 50 years Bill Cosby was America's dad. He was loved by the world. And then that's fascinating to me, Bill. It really is.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's kind of culture, judgmental place. America is, I mean form these judgments a lot of times without due process, a lot of times false information.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Not in the case that we're talking about. But as a human being, you go, whoa, their whole lives evaporate right before their eyes. Yeah, I know. And it's something. And nobody is spared from it. If you get involved with this kind of stuff now, if you had to do it over again, because I know your kids are enacting now, right?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. See, showbiz, kind of, to me, and I'm just on the periphery of it. I'm not sure I want to put my kids through that. The rejection level is unbelievable.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Unbelievable. It really is. And I said to them, because they. They grew up in the business, and they. And my wife had them performing when they were very young. And she said, well, let's see if they like it. They both loved it. They both kept it up. They went to great schools. I said, look, if you want to do this, you got to graduate, you got to go to. You got to get into a great college, and you got to study and work hard and graduate. Otherwise, don't even talk to me about this. And they both did. My daughter went to University of Michigan. My son went to Berklee School of Music and Art in Boston. They both graduated, and they're both working hard and they're struggling. Absolutely. But they. See, I said to them, no is always the answer you're going to get. But think of it this way. If I told you right now that you're going to get 100 no's, but the 101st is going to be a yes, how would you feel? And then you just got a no. They would go, well, I would feel, all right. 99 more nos. That's how you got to look at it. Right? That's how you got to look at it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

One of the advantages that you've had in your career is that you work with an amazing amount of talent.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And even on a show like Blue Bloods, you know, the segment with you and Selleck.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. Where you're his buddy from the neighborhood.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Interesting. They ripped that off from you.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Whatever. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And he's a police commissioner and. But there's something about those scenes.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You know, that when the audience is paying attention to them, they go, this is a little bit elevated here. These two guys, they know what they're doing.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, well, he's a great. But, you know, Selleck is a real pro, a great actor, you know, And I. I like being with someone like that. It's. It's great to play. You know, I love playing. I would like to play basketball with Michael Jordan, you know, because people just elevate you. Not that I could ever be in the same.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, I know. You just want to be around.

[Chazz Palminteri]

I want to be around greatness. I want to play I have a very. You know, I have. I have a lot of confidence, probably too much for my own good, as my son would say. But I want to be with the greatest actors. I'm not worried about me. I. I know I'll be. I can hold my own. And that's how I feel, you know.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So you're not intimidated at all? You walk into these people, and Gandolfini, he was an intimidating guy.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, yeah, he was. But, no, no, I mean, look, I. My first movie was with the. To me, the greatest act of my generation, and that was Robert De Niro. And I wasn't intimidated at all. And I think Bob appreciated that, because if I was intimidated, then, well, he wouldn't want to work with me. I wouldn't have been good. You know, I just felt like I belong here at this moment in time, and I didn't feel. Did I feel intimidated. I remember the first time I read with him, I was over his apartment, and he said to me, he goes, why don't we just read the dialogue, you and I? And I was, sure. And we read the dialogue, and he said, oh, that's great. All right, I'll see you tomorrow. And then I left, and I got in the elevator. And then it hit me. When I was in the elevator, as I was going down, I went. I just acted with Robert De Niro. And I went, damn. And I went, wow.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It's impressive. Sure.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah. I remember I said that. Yeah. I mean, he's. He's one of the greats, you know.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Is there ever any one upsmanship when you get great athletes together? They try to, you know, outdo the other. Yeah, things like that. I mean, I certainly am guilty about that. I want to be the best in the world, and if I see somebody, you know, I want to go up against them.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

See what you got. Is there any one upsmanship when you're doing scenes?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

With these legendary people?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Well, we had. I was doing a play with Al Pacino in New York, and it was out. And in this one scene, there's Alpa. The play was the Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui. It's a Brecht play. And Al was the main character. I was his partner, Roman. And then there was John Cusack and Steve Buscemi, me and Al, the four of us on stage. And Steve Buscemi had this monologue. He does a monologue. We all do a monologue. He did a monologue. And you could tell the audience. I mean, the audience had Paul McCarthy in it. I mean, it was Like Harrison Ford. And he's just ripping it up. And then John Goodman, another incredible actor, he takes it to another level. And I was like, oh, damn, I'm next. You could just feel it that this night was different. But I had an advantage because I was allowed to walk where they had to stay in place. So then I go. And I am going back and forth. I'm ripping it up. I'm doing. We all improv a little bit as far as doing things. And I ripped it up, even the next level. And in my mind, I'm going, where's Al gonna go with this one? And Al just starts. And Al's tearing it up. And he stands up on the throne, and he does the last half standing up on the throne. And I just looked at. I'll never forget. I went, son of a. Look at that. In my mind, watching him do that, he was. You know, for people who don't know Al Pacino, they know him on. On film, but to see Al on stage is something else, man.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah. He commands the audience.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And that brings me to the Godfather, which is now in the culture as the defining look at. From the outside, of course. Organized crime.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Now, what do you think about that whole project?

[Chazz Palminteri]

About the Godfather?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Oh, to me, it's probably the, you know, one of the greatest movies in my top five greatest movies ever made. I mean, Godfather 1 and 2, which is very rare to get a sequel.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Sure.

[Chazz Palminteri]

As good as the first and maybe even better. Maybe it was brilliant. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you know Coppola?

[Chazz Palminteri]

I met him a bunch of times. I met him, like, two or three times. I don't know him. Okay. I can't say I know it, but I met him. And he always. Very cordial to me because all of

[Bill O'Reilly]

these characters were perfectly cast. That's what made the film.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I mean, every one of them, from Fredo on to, you know, Tom Hagen, Robert Duval. I mean, it was perfect after. Perfect, perfect.

[Chazz Palminteri]

They wanted Robert Redford, you know, for the part of Michael, and then they wanted Ryan o', Neill because he just came off Love Story, and Coppola refused.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He said, no, no, that would not have made it.

[Chazz Palminteri]

You know, I always wonder. I wonder what it would. Cause it's such a great movie. What would it been like if they did it? I don't know.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Too wasp. Yeah.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Too Wasp. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You can't have the Wasps in there.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah. Al told me he was getting fired right from Al's mouth, he said. Until I did the scene in the. In the restaurant where I killed Solazo and the cop, when they saw that, they went, okay, he could stay.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Now, after the Godfather, that's when a lot of the anti Italian stuff rushing, right?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Were you involved with any of that?

[Chazz Palminteri]

No. No, I was not. No.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Get out of it.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No, I mean, I wasn't famous then. I was still a young actor in New York. No, I wasn't involved in that at all. You know, I just. I. You know, don't get me wrong. Do we get known as the Mafia a lot? Yes. But you know what? I'm proud of my heritage. I'm proud of what Italian Americans did, and I always fight against it. You know, they told me not to do the documentary for Columbus, and they asked me to be the voice of the narration, and I did it because I'm proud of the Italians, and I thought we should do it. You know, that was my opinion.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And you got really angry about Mother Cabrini.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Well, Mother Cabrini, I hit the ceiling. I hit the ceiling on Mother Cabrini.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I got to set it up. Is that Bill de Blasio? Probably the worst mayor. We have to give Mandani a little time on that.

[Chazz Palminteri]

But

[Bill O'Reilly]

she objected to New York City honoring Father Cabrini.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, but they came up with the rules. She did. She said, let's have a vote of. For all the women. She said, his wife. Let's have a vote for all the women. And we're going to put seven statues up for all the women. And let's see who comes in first. Mother Cabrini comes in first. Triple more than anyone. Anyone. She goes, well, we'll put Mother Cabrini on the next round, which means it ain't happening. I know that. So they asked me my opinion, and I thought it was not. I thought it was wrong. I said, if anything, it was biased. I mean, I'm sorry. That's wrong. You can't do that. She won the vote. Sure. Does Billie Holiday deserve it? Rosa Parks? Absolutely. Great American women, Billy. Yes. But Mother Cabrini won. She can't go in. Is that a problem here? So she. They refused to do it. I hit the ceiling. So I started speaking out. Bill de Blasio said, you called my wife. He said, chaz Palmitari called my wife a racist. So he was on the. He was on the radio once. It was front page news. Front page, Daily News, front page. And I called up and he said, did you. And they put me through. I couldn't believe it, because he was on the air with people, the mayor. And he goes. And he must have said, yeah, put him through he goes, chaz Palmiteri. Did you call my wife a racist? I went, yes, I did. Silence on the phone. Then I thought, everybody's hearing this. I said, yes. I said, at least it was explicit bias. I said, she won, mayor. She won. Why wouldn't you put a statue for her? She's going to be on the next round. I go, why? Why? She tripled the vote.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It was skin color. I mean, you know, of course it was. Everybody knew.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That's not fair.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's true.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That's not fair.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you believe, though, that African Americans are owed a debt by this country?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Mean reparations?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, that and preferential treatment. Like Billie Holiday over Mother Cabrini.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That I don't like. No. Do I? Look, I mean, if we got to be honest, we got to be honest. I try to do everything I can for civil rights. I really do. I write all my movies. That's why I wrote the story in Bronx. Taylor. That's me. I had. I would date black girls in the 68. That's true. And I love when people go, that would never happen. I go, well, I'm Cologgio. That's my name. It did happen. So I wanted to put that in to show how racism affected me and affected that time, how people were racist. That was important to me because I wasn't. My father had black fighters that he trained, and they would come up the house in my building on 187th street, and people would go, hey, Lorenzo, what are you doing? What's going on with this guy? My father said, he's one of my fighters. Leave him alone. So my father was always like, you know. And I grew up, hey. My father would get off out of the seat, help a black woman out of a bus, pick up bags up. You would do that, white or black. So I never grew up racist. So to me, anything I could do would help. But getting back to your question, I didn't dodge it. I want you to know that, you know, a lot of people go, hey, you know, now it's like. It's really. You know, the black people and Hispanic and Chinese are getting a really a leg up on even white people. And my two kids are in the business, and they lost parts to a different color. And I say to them, it's okay. I said, it's okay. You just keep hanging in there, and it's okay. And I look at it this way, you know, we. We had a leg on them for a long time, so it's okay that they have a little advantage on us. Now I'm all right with that. I really, I really am. I'm okay with that. But I just want the best person to get the part when you said

[Bill O'Reilly]

something a moment ago that it's not fair. The DEI stuff isn't fair.

[Chazz Palminteri]

I don't think it's fair.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right. It isn't fair. It isn't fair because you're choosing someone on a basis of their skin color. Martin Luther King didn't want you to do that.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That was the essence of what he said, right? Martin Luther King.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you have you said you're an independent?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

When you are following the news, are you satisfied that the media is being honest with you?

[Chazz Palminteri]

I don't, you know what, I don't know anymore, Bill. I have to be honest with you. I don't know anymore. I, I, I, I see. You know and I always watch, I watch Fox, I watch CNN or I always watch other channels. I said I want to see what everybody says. So I like to watch as much as I could. I go on, I watch podcasts, your podcast, you know, the no spin zone. And I watch other people's too. And I watch Tucker Carlson. I watch, I look at a lot of different people way to the left, way to the right. Because I said is somebody who is lying here, who is lying? And I just, but then I look around and I say okay, I gotta understand this for myself, you know. But I don't know, I'm confused a lot sometimes I have to be honest with You.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Everybody's confused. That's why I've been in a business 50 years to unconfuse them.

[Chazz Palminteri]

I can't.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, but when you're watching, because you are a patriot. I mean, you love your country and you are an independent, do you think that you're getting the information you need?

[Chazz Palminteri]

I. I don't. I don't think so. I. I think. I think there's some stuff they just hide from us for some reason.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, they don't like Trump. So Trump is going to play negative.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

In most of the media outlets. But I think people know that now, right?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Oh, yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And it can work for you if. And certainly he's used that to set up. Look, these people are never going to tell the truth about me, but I get upset when there's basically people being paid to lie.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You know, in your neighborhood, in the Bronx, if you were a liar and everybody knew who the liars were.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Everybody knew.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, they were, like, ostracized.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No, no question. No question, Bill. Absolutely. I could so. Well, I don't like when something is so obvious. So obvious. That's when I get upset. When you say. And again, this is how I felt when I can. I have to go to. When I go to work. I couldn't go to work unless I got a Covid shot. My family had to get Covid shots. I could not go on the set. I just got a movie, and they would not hire me unless I got a Covid shot. Then the same day, 10,000 people over the border who are strangers, that we have no idea who. They are not vetted. They don't need no Covid shot. That's a lie. I go, black is black and white is white. Two and two or four, That's. Can I curse? I mean, I don't know. I don't want. That's a lie. Period. That's a lie.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So that gets your Italian up.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That gets my Italian up.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Am I allowed to say that?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah, you are allowed to say that. You know, when Dr. Fauci says certain things, I don't want to get into him because he's an Italian American. But when you stop us from doing certain things that. You know, Bill, I mean, I gotta be careful here. I get fired up. When I get fired up, I want

[Bill O'Reilly]

you to get fired up.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No. When I got Covid, the first time I got Covid, I didn't even know my wife got it. And my wife almost died. And I think about it because my best friend died. They were in the hospital at the same time, he died. And you know what? She almost died, but thank God to Jesus Christ that she didn't die. She could have gotten certain things, but they wouldn't give it to her. They wouldn't give it to her that finally she got some. I'm not good at remembering the names. And it pulled her out of it. Thank God she's okay. But if they would have been able to give my friend that, who had it before, he would have lived. I'm only saying this to cut to the second time I got Covid, I got real sick. And being who I am, a celebrity, I know all the doctors in the big hospitals, and they said, we can't give him that. The government took it away from us. And I said, I want what Trump had, because I knew what he got. I said, I want that. They said, we can't do it. So I called another one of my very high profile friends and he said to me, don't worry about it. I'll have the doctor there in three or four hours. Don't worry, he'll give it to himself. I was like, great. It costs. It was a lot. It was a lot. Whatever. I think it was $9,000. I said, not a problem. Get him here. The guy comes. I'm sick as a dog. Temperature. I am sick. Trouble breathing. I mean, I'm getting ready to go to the hospital. He walks over to me, he goes, how long you had this? I said, this is the third day. He goes, okay, you'll be fine. He gives me the intravenous bill. Right after the intravenous, he gives me another thing called a vitamin thing. And he goes, just rest now. You'll be better tomorrow. I'm like. I'm looking at it better tomorrow. I'm like a wreck, right? I swear on my mother and father, Bill, I Woke up at 4 in the morning, gone. It was gone. It was like it never happened. I had my bathrobe on. I was sweating. I went, what the hell? I was like. I slept downstairs on the big reclining. I didn't want to go near my wife. It was gone. And I said, well, why didn't they do this for all these people that were sick? Why didn't they? So they gave us a shot, a shot that they knew didn't work, that they knew could get people sick. That is wrong. That's wrong.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're looking at it now. Interestingly enough, hasn't gotten a lot of attention, but Fauci's top guy has been. Is now being investigated by the Department of Justice for doing just what you've described, not being upfront about the medicinal potential of certain drugs. But the government. I don't trust the government.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No, no, I know.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'd rather trust your guys in the Bronx.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

At least if they say something, I know they're going to do it, even if it's bad.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Bill, you can answer me this question. Why is it when both Democrats and Republicans do something wrong, nobody ever goes to jail? They don't go to. They go, yep, we caught him red handed, but nobody goes to jail.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, it's hard to get the convictions because of the lawyers and, you know, nobody.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Okay, Bush lied, nothing happens. Hillary lied, nothing happens. Everybody lies, nobody goes to jail. I mean, so what is this? Sometimes I think they're in the game together. I think the Republicans, they're in the. Behind closed doors, they're going, all right, I'll blame you, you blame me, but

[Bill O'Reilly]

there's gotta be a reason to deny you medicine that would cure you that fast. There's gotta be a reason for that.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And we don't know what the reason

[Chazz Palminteri]

is because the reason was they wanted everybody to get the shot. Money.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Could be. But Bush, Trump, I should say, he did a good job. I was in some of that with that operation, Warp speed.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He got it out there and he made deals with these pharmaceutical companies who made a bloody fortune.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But the deals didn't go far enough. And I don't know if the president knew, I don't know what the potential was or not. Yes, he had it. I don't know. You know, you would like to know what he had. I would, too.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Chazz Palminteri]

Yes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. It's like Babe Ruth. He's this fat guy, has a plate in there and goes 450ft.

[Chazz Palminteri]

You know, it's.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Hey, that's the babe. Yeah, we don't really, you know, he's doing crazy stuff post midnight. It doesn't matter. You're one of those icon guys. And has that seeped in?

[Chazz Palminteri]

No, no. And it's good that it didn't, because I learned something because I was in. I was in therapy. I still am. Once in a while I go back, and what I learned from that is that I take my work very seriously, but I don't take my fame seriously. I don't know.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The fame doesn't mean that much.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You guys who act says you got your own restaurant, no question. Right.

[Chazz Palminteri]

But I don't take it seriously. To the point is I don't know who I am. I know who I am.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You're the same guy.

[Chazz Palminteri]

You are my friends who grew up with me in the street.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, me too.

[Chazz Palminteri]

You're the same guy, Chaz.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, my friends go a step further. How come you're not in a penitentiary? That's what they say to me. I mean, really, These are guys that I've known since I'm six years old.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That's funny.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You should be in jail. What are you doing?

[Chazz Palminteri]

My friends say you're the same crazy guy you always been. Because I am. Because fame. I know fame will go away, you know, it will go away, you know, and it does. And I. I'm.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, the fame. But the accomplishment won't.

[Chazz Palminteri]

My. My work will last forever. That's what I'm right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The Bronxdale's not going away.

[Chazz Palminteri]

There's only two things you can leave behind after you're gone. In my opinion. Your art and your children. And I want to leave good, great kids, and I want to leave my art. That's all.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you have any struggles with the kids?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Oh, God. Thank you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, no, they were good kids to raise.

[Chazz Palminteri]

They were good kids.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They bought in.

[Chazz Palminteri]

They were bought in. They were great kids.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Did you ever have to tone the kids down because they were the sires of a famous actor?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Toned them down. No, no.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I mean, a little strut around and stuff.

[Chazz Palminteri]

No, they weren't like that. Like. No, no, they were never. In fact, they don't. They talk. They don't talk about me. In fact, when my son had his first play date when he was 7, 8, I'll never forget it. When all the parents came over the house, I opened the door and each one would go, I'm sorry, you're transplantary. I said, yes, Dante is your son. I said, yes. They went, oh, my God. Never said a word.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, they never did.

[Chazz Palminteri]

They never knew. No, they never knew.

[Bill O'Reilly]

See, my kids think I'm so obnoxious. They don't want to talk about me.

[Chazz Palminteri]

My kids probably do. They don't want to. You know what? The only time they really started digging it, I'll tell you when they started getting just old enough, where we walked into a really good restaurant and my son would walk in, he'd say, we like it. And they said, I'm sorry. And then he would wait till I walked in and I walk in right behind him. They would go, oh, just give us a minute. And he would go, you know what

[Bill O'Reilly]

it is for my kids? First class air. They get first class air.

[Chazz Palminteri]

First class. Right, First.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's all.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That's all they want.

[Bill O'Reilly]

That's it.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That's it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They don't care about, you know, we'll do it live. No spin zone. The O'Reilly factory. Flying first class.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Are we flying first class? Yeah, my kids used to say that. And they used to say this other thing when we got to the hotel. Dad, is it a single door, Double doors? Because they knew if it was double doors, it was a huge suite. If it was single doors, it was a nice.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I see. So they were looking at the hotel accommodation.

[Chazz Palminteri]

They're looking at the double doors.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right.

[Chazz Palminteri]

But look, were they a little spoiled? Yes. But they had to work. They always did something. They had to go to school, they had to work hard.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Final question for you on this first round. We're going to hold Chaz over for our premium members just for about 10 minutes. Some of the guys you grew up with didn't make it.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Drugs. Levitano was big. They came in after the Vietnam War and narcotics. When you watch that happen.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Because you have emotion invested in all the neighborhood people. Right?

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Is there any kind of thing that you could have done that you didn't do?

[Chazz Palminteri]

I don't think so. Not at that age. No. Some of them. See, back then it was different build. Good guys and bad guys would all hang out together because we were all from the buildings and we would hang out on the corner. And when the bad guys did something, they would slide off. When the good guys did something, they would slide off. But we were all together all the time. And it was always like tempting, tempting, you know, but there was really. I see. I never really. Did I get high? Yes. Did I use pot and did I cocaine? Yes. Back then was. I was in a band when I was 19 years old in the 60s. So that's. You know. But I never was. I was always an artist. Like music, art, poetry, writing. I just. I was blessed. My mother and father wrote the saddest thing in life is waste of talent. Put it in my room, my two sisters rooms. My two sisters were very successful. And then I was the last. And it was really my parents who just. My father. Don't waste your life. Don't let the streets. Don't waste your life here. Do something with your life. He instilled that. He made me.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But if you didn't have a dad, it would have been tough.

[Chazz Palminteri]

I might have been. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You know, and that's what you're dealing with. A lot of kids today, they don't have split.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They got nobody over them.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And they go the wrong way.

[Chazz Palminteri]

Yeah. And I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong having. And I say this about people that, you know. Don't be proud that you have four or five illegitimate kids. You know, I don't care. Even if you're rich and you pay, you're not giving the five loans. I don't care.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You gotta be there.

[Chazz Palminteri]

You gotta be there. If you're not, you've gotta show up. But writing a check is easy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Be there. Be at his games. Talk to him. That's different.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay.

[Chazz Palminteri]

That's different.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right. So we're gonna break away from Chaz and we very much appreciate his time. Of course. And we'll have a 10 minute overtime with our premium and kind of members starting right now.