We’ll Do It LIVE! — Victor Davis Hanson

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

Episode: We’ll Do It LIVE! — Victor Davis Hanson
Date: June 4, 2026
Host: Bill O'Reilly
Guest: Victor Davis Hanson

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Overview

This episode features a wide-ranging discussion between Bill O’Reilly and historian Victor Davis Hanson focusing on the transformation of the Democratic Party, the fracture lines within American politics, the influence of progressive elites, media bias, cultural trends, and the future of political power in the U.S. The conversation dives into the roots of progressive dominance, shifting coalitions among voters, the erosion of analytical tools among younger Americans, and whether the current progressive movement can endure.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Transformation of the Democratic Party

• Globalization’s Impact:
  • Victor Davis Hanson describes how the party shifted from serving the working and lower-middle classes to being shaped by “professional and billionaire classes,” especially after globalization took off in the early 2000s.
  • “[Globalization] basically said we’re going to westernize the whole market world… The people in it, the Harvey Weinsteins, take the Obamas that got out of office. All of a sudden Netflix hands them this contract. They plugged into it, they ended up with four mansions and that was acceptable.” (Hanson, 03:16)
• Elitism and Identity Politics:
  • Hanson argues the Democratic coalition now focuses on a top layer of professionals and a large subsidized welfare state, replacing class politics with race-based identity.
  • “The Democratic Party became like a pyramid, a little bit cone on the top of the professional and the billionaire classes and then a large subsidized welfare state. And they didn’t care about class.” (Hanson, 05:00)
• Media and Institutional Power:
  • O'Reilly and Hanson agree that the mainstream media and elite institutions play outsized roles in promoting progressive narratives and suppressing dissent.

2. The “Cabal” and Consolidation of Power

• 2020 Election Coordination:
  • O’Reilly asks if there’s a progressive “cabal,” citing Molly Ball’s Time article after the 2020 election.
  • Hanson notes elite efforts to “find power” even with unattractive messages—“a great group of elite people got together… even though we have messages that nobody really wants, we can find power.” (Hanson, 07:42)
• Surrogate Leadership:
  • Discussion around Joe Biden as a “waxen effigy” fronting for more radical backers from the Obama era.

3. Funding and Institutional Entrenchment

• The Engine of Progressive Funding:
  • Concentration of wealthy, highly educated professionals, particularly on America’s coasts, funneling money to PACs and foundations.
  • “There’s a large professional class… They just give the money to the Democratic Party or to various political action committees and foundations.” (Hanson, 09:55)
• Influence in Universities and Culture:
  • Leftist philanthropy sustains an academic pipeline producing progressive activists.
  • “They gave billions of dollars to Harvard, Yale, Stanford… And they have institutional power that transcends elections.” (Hanson, 10:35)

4. Progressive Messaging and Its Consequences

• Disconnect with Voters:
  • The left, according to Hanson, has become more radical, misreading electoral defeats (“Their remedy is: we lost the election because we weren’t far left enough.” 14:04)
• Historical Lessons Ignored:
  • O’Reilly and Hanson recall how Democrats after McGovern’s loss pivoted to more moderate candidates, a lesson forgotten by today's progressives:
  • “Clinton was, if we look back at him, he wasn’t that much different than Mitt Romney…” (Hanson, 15:58)

5. Media, Culture, and Public Perception

• Media Uniformity:
  • “Overwhelmingly… it is almost a monolith on social media. Progressives good, conservative traditionals bad.” (O’Reilly, 16:24)
• Cultural Institutions Driving Opinion:
  • Hanson details how ideas migrate rapidly from academia to policy, changing public perception on issues from transgender athletes to immigration in a few years:
  • “The time from a crazy idea in the faculty lounge to the implementation by the democratic orthodoxy is about three years, I think.” (Hanson, 21:17)
• Educational Decline and Youth Distraction:
  • A new generation inundated with progressive content and ill-equipped with critical thinking skills:
  • “They get this progressive message 247 and they have no analytical tools. They don’t know anything… It’s frightening.” (Hanson, 23:27)

6. Fractures Within and Across Parties

• Democratic Uniformity vs. GOP Fracturing:
  • O’Reilly observes Nancy Pelosi’s success in demanding party loyalty from Democrats, versus the fractured state of Republicans (between traditionalists and a populist MAGA coalition).
  • “Every moderate surrendered right on the spot because they knew they were going to be primaried and they knew they weren't going to get any money from the Democratic National Committee.” (O’Reilly, 24:49)
• Antisemitism and Shifting Coalitions:
  • Hanson notes rising antisemitism both on the radical left and (in smaller numbers) elements of the right, but credits “MAGA” Republicans as most consistent in defending Israel and opposing hate:
  • “The only people that are speaking out are the MAGA people... there is a difference between Israel and Hamas...” (Hanson, 27:22)

7. The Evolving Jewish Vote and Cultural Attitudes

• Secularization and Assimilation:
  • Hanson tracks the decline of Jewish communal cohesion and the weakening of traditional connections to Israel among young Jewish Americans.
  • “A lot of the young people are secular. They don’t identify, they’re intermarried with non Jews... For them, Israel is not something that they worry about. In fact, it’s the opposite for them. It’s an albatross around their neck on a university campus.” (Hanson, 30:03)
• Changing Demographics:
  • Growth of the Muslim population and influx of Middle East funding in academia contribute to shifting attitudes.

8. Lack of Democratic Leadership and the 2026 Bench

• No Emerging Leaders:
  • O’Reilly and Hanson express skepticism about any prominent, plausible Democratic leaders on the horizon:
  • “The leadership of the Democratic Party is nil. There’s no leader that I can see. Not one.” (O’Reilly, 37:28)
• Kamala Harris and Others:
  • Harris is dismissed as one of the “worst campaigners” by O’Reilly; other names (Newsom, Booker, Buttigieg) offer little promise.

9. Class vs. Race—and Shifts Among Hispanic and Black Voters

• Democrats Losing Working Class Support:
  • Hanson discusses dissatisfaction among working-class voters of all backgrounds with Democratic priorities, especially on policing and immigration:
  • “In my community...the issues that they’re dealing with have nothing to do with the solutions that the Democratic left is offering... They're very anti-illegal alien.” (Hanson, 40:29)
• Trump’s Class Coalition:
  • Hanson argues Trump's strength was to build class-based coalitions, transcending traditional racial appeals.

10. Prospects for the Progressive Movement

• Will It Burn Out or Grow?
  • Final question from O’Reilly: Is there hope to contain or reverse this progressive wave?
  • Hanson is cautiously optimistic that the movement will “run its course,” but only if enough Americans speak out.
  • “There’s no room or time left to just sit in the shadows and think it’s going to pass... They want to completely erase our heritage and traditions and start anew. They’re really different than the 60s hippies… these people are Stalinists. They mean business...” (Hanson, 46:52)
  • “[Progressives] don’t have the numbers and they’re not very practical… When those people start to get gored, they’re going to see the revolution’s coming after us... You can stop it because nobody wants that message.” (Hanson, 48:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Progressive Tribalism:

  • "Progressives good, conservative traditionals bad."
    — Bill O’Reilly (00:15, 16:24)

• On Elite Self-Justification:

  • “They said we are the brightest, we’re the best. And the guys in the middle, the deplorables, irredeemables, clingers... they’re the losers. We don’t want those people...”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (04:08)

• On Progressive Institutional Power:

  • “They have institutional power that transcends elections, foundations, media, as I said, corporate boardrooms, sports, entertainment, K through 12, teachers unions.”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (12:03)

• On Youth and Critical Thinking:

  • “They get this progressive message 247 and they have no analytical tools. They don’t know anything… It’s frightening.”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (23:27)

• On Democratic Party Cohesion:

  • “Pelosi wiped [moderates] out by saying, if you’re not a progressive, you’re not getting any money to run for re election, so you better be a progressive. That worked. That woman, she tamed that whole house.”
    — Bill O’Reilly (24:41)

• On Antisemitism and Political Realignment:

  • “The only people that are speaking out are the MAGA people... there is a difference between Israel and Hamas...”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (27:22)

• On the Secular Shift Among Jewish Americans:

  • “A lot of the young people are secular. They don’t identify, they’re intermarried with non Jews...For them, Israel is not something that they worry about.”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (30:03)

• On the Impracticality of Progressivism:

  • “[Progressives] don’t have the numbers and they're not very practical…”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (48:03)

• On the Urgency for Americans to Speak Out:

  • “There’s no room or time left to just sit in the shadows and think it’s going to pass.”
    — Victor Davis Hanson (46:52)

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• Transformation of the Democratic Party: 03:16 – 07:32
• The “Cabal” and Elite Coordination: 07:32 – 09:12
• Progressive Funding and Institutional Power: 09:55 – 13:05
• Media & Cultural Institutions' Influence: 16:24 – 22:33
• Educational Decline / Youth Distraction: 22:33 – 24:13
• Party Fractures and Antisemitism: 24:15 – 28:38
• Evolving Jewish American Attitudes: 30:03 – 34:21
• Absence of Democratic Leadership: 37:28 – 39:24
• Class, Race, and Hispanic/Black Voters: 40:29 – 44:15
• Whether Progressivism Will Endure: 46:19 – 49:16

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Overall Tone

The episode is frank, combative, and analytical, with both O’Reilly and Hanson expressing concern for the state of American politics, the dominance of elite progressive interests, and what they see as the erosion of core democratic and cultural values. The tone is urgent, occasionally wry, and unfiltered, staying true to the “No Spin” promise.

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For those who haven’t listened:
This episode offers a critical, historical perspective on the current state and future of American politics, focusing on progressive ideology, elite influence, and the evolving coalitions among voters. The dialogue is deeply skeptical of current Democratic leadership, critical of cultural and media trends, but ultimately suggests that progressive dominance is unstable and could be reversed—if Americans are willing to speak up.

Transcript

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Progressives good, conservative traditionals bad.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

The Democratic Party became like a pyramid a little bit cone on the top of the professional and the billionaire classes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The we are a nation now that is so distracted.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

They get this progressive message 247 and they have no analytical tools. It's frightening.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

I am Bill O'Reilly and this is our long form podcast called We'll Do It Live. And it's done very well in the last, I guess it was about four or five months ago we started. So now I routinely makes all of the social media outlets and once in a while the straight television news picks up what we say here because we are serious people here. We don't go in to hammer other human beings. We don't make a living by besmirching people.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Sometimes I wish we did it, but not really. It's just cheap and easy. But that's the trend here. You're going to learn something and we're not going to waste your time. So I booked today Victor Davis Hanson. You probably know him if you are conservative or an independent American that leans a little bit traditional. So Professor Hanson has made a huge name for himself at Stanford University, basically analyzing the news, what I do. But he does it from a point of view of being a farmer. I was never a farmer. I have trouble even buying farm products. But he came from the soil and then rose up to be, I think one of the most effective educators in academics in the country. Joins us now. Thank you. From California. So what I got for you is this. The Democratic Party senses weakness in the Trump administration because of the high prices, the Iran situation, all of that. We know that all the polls show that what is holding the Democratic Party back is the progressive cadres who have taken the party over almost completely aided by the media. So you're not just voting for Harry Truman anymore, you're voting for Nancy Pelosi's latest protege who wants open borders and free needles and everything else that traditional America they're going no. How did that happen?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Professor Well, I think you can look at the it's a good question. But I think you look at the break at the end of the Clinton administration when they ran in 92 and 96 and Mark Halpern and Mark Penn wrote their their agenda at the convention. It was pretty much closed borders, tough on crime, balanced budget, which he and Newt Gainwich did But I think we underestimate globalization because that really took off at the millennium and it basically said we're going to westernize the whole market world. Then people woke up in this century and they said, you know, if I have skills that transcend the United States, law, media, university campuses all over the world, corporate boardroom, international sports, entertainment, Hollywood, you know, movies were 85% of the revenue on these questions. And they became rich. They had a $7 billion audience or clientele or consumer base. And then there were others that traditional farming, manufacturing, assembly, they didn't have those skills and they were outsourced or offshore. So that was the background. And then they made a post facto exegesis. The Democrats or the people in these global, not everybody, but most of them were on the left or the democratic liberal side. They said we were the winners and we have these skills and now we've got more money than we've ever had. So when I was at Stanford in the 70s, Silicon Valley was affluent, but it has $11 trillion now in market capitalization. It's just insane. But they made a self fulfilling prophecy. They said we are the brightest, we're the best. And the guys in the middle, the deplorables, irredeemables, clingers, garbage chumps, they're the losers. We don't want those people, they didn't code or they didn't get on it. So we've got enough money now that we don't worry about food or transportation. So we're going to go into utopianism. And part of that agenda was shut down fossil fuels, nuclear plants. Part of it was we're guilty of creating the criminal, not the criminal himself. Part of it was we don't believe in a utopian world, that we need borders. And in that process they also replaced race for class. The Democratic Party used to say, you know, we're going to protect and enhance everybody in the lower middle classes. But then under Obama especially it became, well, it's not 9010 affirmative action, black, white, it's 30% the victimized, regardless of their income, regardless of their circumstances, if they're not white, they are victims. And we on the coastal elite who were so wealthy and are never subject to the consequences of our ideology, we're going to champion these people. So the Democratic Party became like a pyramid, a little bit cone on the top of the professional and the billionaire classes and then a large subsidized welfare state. And they didn't care about class. So they had these absurdities that you've here you have Mondame talking about he's going to go after the white, nicer neighborhoods when on basis of per capita income, the wealthiest group in the United States are his own Indian American. So I think globalization enriched the Democratic Party. The people in it, the Harvey Weinsteins, take the Obamas that got out of office. All of a sudden Netflix hands them this contract. They plugged into it, they ended up with four mansions and that was acceptable. And then they basically say the white middle class or the deplorables, they're very racist, they're terrible people. We've got to protect the poor. But they want nothing to do with the poor. They don't live with them. And then the other thing very quickly, Bill, is they don't have any power. You were right that that message of these boutique issues that they Transgenderism, open borders, illegal, it never affects them. And that makes them psychologically feel good about themselves at no cost to themselves. But they lost power. So we're speaking now. They don't have the House, they don't have the Senate. They may have the House, but right now they don't have the House, the Senate, the White House or the Supreme Court. And so they.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Or the goodwill of the traditional American, which when you say they, is this a cabal, do they meet in Switzerland?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Well, you know, that's a very good question. Molly Ball, B A L L wrote a very revealing piece right after the election of 2020. She was so ecstatic that they had won. It was a Time magazine, February of 2020. And she said she used that term Bill, cabal and conspiracy. She said, now we can tell how we won. We got the corporate boardroom, we got the media. We suppressed what she called misinformation or disinformation. Twitter, Facebook stopped the story on the laptop. We changed the balloting laws in 28 states. We suppressed people who were trying to mislead you. And we partnered, we used the street people, the 2020 dimension and it just entailed it. And the left got very angry when she wrote it, but she was basically saying that a great. A group of elite people got together and they said even though we have messages that nobody really wants, we can find power. And one of the ways they got the White House, of course they took old Joe Biden from Scranton and passed him off at something out of the 70s, that he was this conservative blue collar champion of the working classes. And then he was like a waxen effigy. And behind it were the ex Obama people, Jill Biden and others who ran by who used him as a surrogate to push through, I think the most radical agenda we'd seen since the New Deal.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, there's no doubt about it. And it was never explained. And the anonymity of the people still cloaks them to this day. The money is phenomenal that comes into the progressive movement. Now we all know George Soros and these billionaires who interfere with local races now with hordes of cash coming in to elect people who will carry out the progressive vision. Is it just individuals who are fueling the progressive movement financially or are there other concerns that Americans don't know about?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Well, there's a large professional classes basically in California. It's San Diego to Berkeley, 50 miles within the coast and New England down somewhere in the Carolinas and then places like Austin or, or places in the Midwest around Chicago. And they are people highly skilled or at least degreed and entitled. They have letters after their names and they're in these, in the media, in law, in the corporation. And they make a lot of money and that's part of it.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And they just give the money to the Democratic Party or to various political

[Victor Davis Hanson]

action committees, various political action committees and foundations. And so you get this situation where they sold us on solar wind. Here's California, we have the highest kilowatt hours. We're higher now than Hawaii in kilowattage. When you look at it, China's building three coal plants a month and they are selling solar panels below the cost of production to destroy the US market. And we're all buying that. And we think that we're going to reduce global fossil fuel emissions when what we're saving is just a fraction of what China's contributing. And that if you look at where Europe was, same things happened in Europe where Germany was the powerhouse of Europe. It's been absolutely decimated by these suicidal policies. And so these left wing people in their utopia, they don't realize how easily manipulated by the Chinese for one example, and by the universities for another. They gave millions of, they want, they've given billions of dollars to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and they have no idea where the money is going except they want their name. The John Smith professor of Middle Eastern studies, the Bill Jones professor professor of Environmental studies. And then that money subsidizes these professors who are not subject to market realities. Students. And they're turning out each year thousands of people on the left. It takes them maybe 20 or 30 years to wise up. And that's, that's one of their strengths. So they feel that they don't have to govern. Even when they lose power, they're angry about it. But they have institutional power that's transcends elections, foundations, media, as I said, corporate boardrooms, sports, Entertainment, K through 12, teachers unions. And that's, that's where the power is for them, the institutional. And that's why Donald Trump scares him so much, because he's the first president in my lifetime that didn't deal with the symptomology. He's actually going to. How do they fund the foundations? How do they use universities work? Why do they get federal money? Are they racist in their admissions? And that's that, that's very alarming to them that somebody's actually question not the symptoms, but the cause of where their power is.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You know, it's funny because most of these people have conventions and they show up, you know, CPAC and all that, and they wave the flag. You never see that. The progressives never see that at all. They don't seem to have learned anything from the Trump second victory. So yeah, they got Biden in there and Biden did a lot of damage. They won't acknowledge the damage and the press won't either. Press a big factor here because it enables a progressive movement. But the folks went out and said, you know, we don't like this. We don't like what Biden and his hidden cadre are doing. So we're gonna put Trump back in with all his idiosyncrasies, let's use that word. I don't think there's one progressive in the country that learned anything from that at all. I don't see them.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

No, they haven't. And so they are running in the midterms. None of, I mean, we have this candidate in Texas that says she wants to put Zionists in camps. We've got this Totenkopf, formerly tattooed person. They've even gone further. A rational analysis would have said you went way to the left. Their remedy is we lost the election because we weren't far left enough. They're running on basically two strategies. Donald Trump is the essential evil. And we've got to say in the debate on California, on the mayor gubernatorial debates, if you watch them, it's nothing about the record of California, it's all Donald Trump. And then the second is, we don't like the system, we don't like the electoral college, we don't like the filibuster, we don't like the 169 year nine person court, we don't like the 50 state union, we don't like the electoral. We're going to change all of this system because we have a message implicitly that people don't want. But if we can get power through these institutions, maybe we can still keep the progressive, hardcore, revolutionary fervor and get power again. And they have to be defeated at the polls. One or two times we saw a little bit. Bill, you remember, we're in the same generation. At the McGovern period, he really, he wanted to cut the defense budget in half and give this. And then he was wiped out. And then Jimmy Carter came and he had a Southern accent. It seemed like they could not nominate somebody without a Southern accent after McGovern. I mean, it was Jimmy Carter and then it was Bill Clinton and then it was Al Gore. They understood that at least they had to seem moderate. And Clinton was, if we look back at him, he wasn't that much different than Mitt Romney or somebody.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, he was a practical politician.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

He was. And so I think they learned their McGovern lesson and then they got lax and they said, now we've done this. And Obama said to them, I got elected as a black man from the north and I'm very liberal. I hid my liberality a little bit and deceive people, but you can go build on what I've done. And they lost that lesson. And I think they're going to have to learn it by electoral defeat.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Now, in the culture area, I want to know what you think about the, let's use the word preponderance of entertainment vehicles in the United States. They're all, I would say 90%, maybe 80% are progressive. So you get late night TV across the board. Fallon doesn't care. But the others are very fanatically progressive. Morning shows don't matter anymore because they're just making omelets down there. They kind of given up on any of that because women watch morning and women don't want all this stuff. So they're out of the equation. The network news, the three of them, all tilt left. And then you have two very, very hard left progressive cable outfits and two, if you count Newsmax conservative. But overwhelmingly, as the Saturday Night Live analysis this week shows, it is almost a monolith on social media. Progressives good, conservative traditionals bad. How much?

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Does that have on individual voters in your opinion? Dr.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I think it has a lot and it has a lot on issues. If we had had this conversation 15 years ago, and I would say to you in Fresno, California, the champion of most of all of the regional high school track events is a man, biological man, and he's competing. We would have thought we were crazy. Yet that has been normalized to the extent that if you object, you're a transphobe. Same thing about illegal immigration. We we went from illegal aliens and then to illegal immigrants and then you were not supposed to say legal or any prefects. It was just migrants. And so they and that all that came from npr, pbs, the institutions that you mentioned, the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller, the whole bunch of them. So they have a very profound effect in shaping public opinion. When you have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Mark Milley, saying before Congress, as he did after the George Floyd, that he recommended that people read Professor Kendi. And then you see the performance of the military and the Afghan withdrawal or the 50 billion in weapons that were left behind. It's very profound what these cultural institutions do people make fun of the university rightly so, but the time from a crazy idea in the faculty lounge to the implementation by the democratic orthodoxy is about three years, I think. Three or four years.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The distraction that this has brought to

[Victor Davis Hanson]

the world

[Bill O'Reilly]

is profound. So that there are many people who have lose themselves in their own world now. I think we're seeing that with the Iran thing. You can't sell Iran having a nuclear weapon because number one, people believe what they want to believe and if they don't believe that Iran has a nuclear weapon, they're not going to believe it. Number two, they go, well, they're over there. It'll bother me in Tulsa. We are a nation now that is so distracted based on TikTok or whatever. They're consuming that millions and millions and millions of people don't know what's going on and don't care to know. How important is that to the progressive advancement?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

It's very important. When I pick up my phone, I had never asked to be a subscriber to Apple News or Smart News, but all of a sudden this stuff pops up with all of. And it's completely left wing. And then all these things on YouTube, TikTok, they all have a particular. They're either left wing or they're a crudity or a diminishing of the cultural standards of the tradition that we grew up with. But that's the sin of commission. But there's a sin of omission. Because if you look at the curriculum Now, K through 12, these people, and I have been an educator for 50 years, they don't know what the judicial branch is. If you said to these graduates of very good schools, can you name five of the Bill of Rights of the amendment? They could not. So they don't really have the capacity or the tools to make empirical decisions or analyses anymore.

[Bill O'Reilly]

This.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I don't think the general public realizes that the level that we have diminished part of it was DEI and trying to say, you know, we're gonna, at Stanford, we're gonna give 80% A's to everybody and we're gonna have remedial math. And then the employers in Silicon Valley after four years said, wait a minute, these kids. I can get a better graduate at Georgia Tech. What are you doing? And now they're trying to catch up, and I don't think they are. But what I'm getting at, this generation is the first that lives by these appurtenances, iPads, iPhones. They get this progressive message 247 and they have no analytical tools. They don't know Anything, you know, and it's, it's frightening.

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But what's interesting is the, the other

[Bill O'Reilly]

side, the counter to the progressives is a conservative, traditional side. And what you are starting to see there is a fracture. See, there is no fracture in my estimation between the Democrats and the progressives. I don't know any mainstream Democrats anymore. Pelosi wiped them out by saying, if you're not a progressive, you're not getting any money to run for re election, so you better be a progressive. That worked. That woman, she tamed that whole house.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yep, he did.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Every moderate surrendered right on the spot because they knew they were going to be primaried and they knew they weren't going to get any money from the Democratic National Committee. So they're going to be a progressive on the Republican side, conservative, traditional. You take what you want as a description. You're getting a fracture now between the Holocaust deniers, the anti Semites, the people who will certify Donald Trump's actions no matter what he does. No matter what he does. Okay, so you're getting a fracture over there rather than a united front to logically take on a destructive progressive movement. Or am I wrong?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Well, I think you're right. Though I might nuance it. I think the majority of the Republican Party would say we don't want to lose nobly with McCain and Romney, and now we're willing to win if it's ugly. And so they overlook what you, I think, aptly called idiosyncrasies of Donald Trump. They wish he wouldn't tweet, they wish he wouldn't make fun of Rob Reiner after he died. But the message that he conveys, that we've got to build a wall, we've got to stop illegal immigration, we've got to deport 500. They feel that prior Republicans were not willing to do that. And in their view, he's sort of like a Shane or somebody out of the classic Western that had uncouth skills but a skill set. And he comes in, he solves the problem, he rides off, and then the townspeople don't give him credit. They don't admit they couldn't solve it, and they dwell on his crudity. The other thing, what you said, I'm more worried about because the number of people who are openly anti Semitic has grown. It's still a small percentage, but they have much more audiences than their numbers reflect. And the problem with that is when you had anti Semites in the past, you had, it used to be when I was growing up, Every farmer in this area said that the Jews in New York, they never met a Jew in their life, but they'd say every Jew in New York is controlling the commodity market. That's why we're broke. Then the left said, no, no, no, go look at Gentlemen's Agreement or Hollywood or the left was stopping that. Now it's flipped. The left is Hamas anti Semitic. But we don't have that right speaking out now. We have a right that is almost 360 with them. Candace Owens is. You know, they. Tucker's gonna have Graham Platner on his show. Candace Owens is interviewing Tom Massa. They're gone completely. So when you have both parties have elements, the majority of the Democrats and a growing little minority, it's very hard. The only people that are speaking out are the MAGA people. I don't mean the extreme maga, I mean all spectra of Magrav that so far have been sensible to say, wait a minute, there is a difference between Israel and Hamas. Wait a minute. The Jews don't control everything. There are very hardworking people. Stop that. Wait a minute. You're lying about World War II. That's the only group in America that I can see hasn't lost its mind. And they're traditional Republicans or traditional conservatives or MAGA people. And they're very worried about people within this traditional movement that seem in their zealotry or maybe it's desired for clear. I don't know what is motivating them, but they almost gone completely to the left.

[Bill O'Reilly]

But their point of view is suppressed, as many points of view are by the media. They suppress it. So it used to be that Jewish Americans and about six and a half million of them, not many, were 80% liberal. Steven Spielberg's of the world, Hollywood moguls, if you were a conservative person. And I've had four movies produced, so I know what I'm talking about. We got lots of stuff turned down because I wasn't liberal biology. And this was before the progressive craziness. This was standardized liberal people and they would always vote Democrat. And in New York City, which is the largest population of Jewish people outside of Israel, Imam Doni could never have been elected even 10 years ago, 10, 15 years ago, the Jewish vote and media would have risen up and crushed him. Now the majority of Jewish New Yorkers voted for Ma'.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Donnie. Yep. And very few people can understand why. I don't even understand why.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Well, I think there's a lot of reasons. One is we're now six, five, six, four Generations away from the Jewish Diaspora. Reminds me of the Greek lobby. When I was in college, when Turkey invaded Cyprus, there was a huge Greek lobby in Congress that tried to stop Kissinger from tilting toward Turkey. They don't exist anymore. They've all been assimilated, acculturated. And what's happened to the Jewish community is that a lot of the young people are secular. They don't identify, they're intermarried with non Jews. But for them, Israel is not something that they worry about. In fact, it's the opposite for them. It's a albatross around their neck on a university campus. So that's hurt the Jew, then the Islamic people who identify as Muslim. It's rocketed. It's almost 5 million now. And when you look at the money from the Middle east, from Qatar and UAE and Saudi, it's in the multi billions, these huge Middle east programs and they're embedded in the general curriculum. So you're getting a much stronger message from the Middle east, very radical message. You're getting a diminished Jewish population, a secularized Jewish population. And you put into the equation that Israel is not 1947, 1967, this tiny little country. It's very, it's got a technological revolution. You go to Haifa today, it looks so much better than San Francisco. It's a powerhouse. It's running the Middle east as far as technology and finance. And so it doesn't have that empathy as an underdog. And people just resent it now because it's powerful beyond its numbers. And you put all of those centrifugal forces together and I think Israel's, I think it just, they were there, but it was like clouds in a perfect storm. They've all, they've all come together and it surprised everybody, the level of antipathy for what is the only democratic, consensual, intolerant society in the Middle East.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, and Donald Trump has been the most, the friendliest president toward Israel of any president we've ever had. And it is not even close. Truman would be second and still most Jewish Americans vote against him.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

And

[Bill O'Reilly]

that's another thing. But I think your point about secularization, watering down Jewish history and Jewish traditional beliefs is probably the reason. And again, the industries that Jewish Americans dominate stem from financial to entertainment. They're in the big industries that affect people.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

and because I know them all, and believe me when I tell you, the Hollywood moguls, you can't get further left than these people. You cannot get further left. Now, they got the gates, they got the armed guards, the open border to mean anything to them because you can't get into the property anyway. But therefore, it, they don't want any restraints on it. Homeless people, drug addiction, whatever, Maybe they don't have to deal with it, but they're for it.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I don't think they realize, though, that it's, they make the distinction that they're more secular or less observant or less concerned about Israel or they're not. They're married to someone. But the people who hate them don't make that distinction. And they think they can negotiate that. But I can tell you that I know a lot of students who would not identify as Jews who are considered Jewish by the Hamas people. The river. Exactly. And so I think they're going to find out, to their dismay if this continues, that as it happens in history, people will say, well, why did they come for me? I, I, I had a iron cross in World War I. I was a hero, and why am I in Auschwitz? And nobody could really explain that to them that they didn't. The not, they don't care. And I, I think that's kind of a hyperbole to compare it to that period. But I'm a little worried that a lot of people in the Jewish community either want to get on the bandwagon and criticize Israel or their own community, or they think they can negotiate with these people, an Ilyan Omar or Graham Platner, they can't. Or Daryl Cooper.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It's like the Chinese going to China trying to negotiate with them. Yeah, well, I'll be out. Okay.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

You know a lot of people, I know them, and you know them from Fox, who are not at Fox anymore. And if we were to look at what they said 10 years ago, five years ago, when you were an anchorman or when I used to appear on Tucker's A Lot and Megyn Kelly's. And it's not. It's not. What they're saying now is a complete antithesis of what they said before.

[Bill O'Reilly]

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Description I was looking yesterday at a survey. Both parties in Congress are below 20% approval rating. So Americans don't like either party at this point. And the leadership of the Democratic Party is nil. There's no leader that I can see. Not one. Do you see any leader of the Democratic Party? Anybody coming out a populist leader or a moderate Democrat or, or even a progressive? I mean, AOC gets all the ink. And now we got Kamala, you know, moving to Malibu, saying she's going to give it a go again and this is it. Is that all they got on the bench?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I think Gavin Newsom is going to have to say, I'm going to do to United States what I did to California. Look at Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg. I mean, there's nobody there. And in addition to the names that you mentioned, they're none. It's 2020. They had this problem in 2020 and then they basically had a coup. And they said, Elizabeth Warren, you, Bernie, Corey, all of you, you're out. And we'll give you certain prerogatives, but we're going to bring Biden in and that. And then Clyburn got the South Carolina primary, Nevada. And then all of a sudden it was kind of like they anointed him. And then when they wanted to get rid of him after the first debate as president, they, they got the same people got rid of him. And they knew that, that they needed some kind of veneer, but I don't see a veneer. That Fetterman, they would never run. So I don't know what they're going to do except disguise their message. I mean, Kamela tried that. She said she really didn't mean that she was against deportation. She said she wasn't really against fracking, but it just made it worse. Nobody believed her.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And she's one of the worst campaigners I've ever seen. And I wrote Confronting the Presidents. I've seen some bad campaigners. I've never seen anybody as bad as Ms. Harris. And she's just inarticulate. And you can't teach that. I mean, you just can't. Going forward in this country. We're becoming more divided. And you see the race hustlers now starting to emerge again. Sharpton's day is over. He's through. And Jesse Jackson passed. So what you have now is some of the younger. A lot of them are. Princeton guy I listened to is from Princeton. Who are trying to divide race. The African Americans and the progressive movement. I don't see it. Do you see that they'll go in great numbers over to the progressive movement, Black Americans?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

No. And it's, it's even worse than that because they have entirely lost the white working class. So we're not talking about, as we saw in 2024, you don't need 50% of the black vote. You need 15%, 17, 45% of the Hispanic vote. And they can get that. And the problem that they're having is in those communities, and I'm speaking from a town that's 95% Hispanic. The issues that they're dealing with have nothing to do with the solutions that the Democratic left is offering. In my community, the police chief, all the policemen are Hispanic, the city council is Hispanic. And what do they deal with? They don't have any white races to rebel against. They're dealing with M13, Nortegno's gang, Sereno's gang, imported drugs, DUIs got illegal aliens, are very anti illegal alien. They've swarmed the dialysis centers, the emergency rooms. There's no. That's what they're concerned about. When they look to the Democratic Party, all they tell them is, well, you're not very smart to know the insidious covert racism all about you from white people. That's what Obama's message he remember in the 2024, he, he flew in and he got some black Democratic activists, young men, very proud people. And he said, you don't know what you're doing, you don't. I can tell you what's good for you. You have to vote for Comella. And that was sort of what Joe Biden said, you know, you ain't black or going to put you back in chains. That audience, he said put you all back in chains was very talented black independent CEOs and people. But their message is only for an elite like themselves. But it doesn't address the problems. That's why I think a lot of the hatred of Donald Trump was that he saw that and he tried to substitute class concerns. So he was basically saying, if you're a Mexican American electrician or a black truck driver or a white manufacturing assembly line worker, you're all got screwed by terror. Whatever the message he had, and that was a very radical message for the Democrats because they had wanted race, race, race. And he transcended that at least. And he also, as I said earlier, addressed the roots of their power. And it's, you know, if every major

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[Victor Davis Hanson]

Sometimes his message and his language and vocabulary hurt that message, but people were ready for it. They were tired of it. They were tired of the race, race, race. And they were interested in class, class, class, not in a Marxist sense, just sort of what the old Democratic Party appealed to in, in some parts of the Republican Party. And so he doesn't need, you don't need. That's what the left doesn't. That's why they're so paranoid. They don't need large defections because they've lost the white working class, especially white working males who vote in inordinate numbers greater than their demographics. Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And I don't think they're doing well with Hispanics and blacks. The men are starting to wise up a little bit. Women with the preachers and the Sunday sermons and all of that is a great effect on the woman. African American woman.

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[Bill O'Reilly]

Last question, then we'll hold you over for a special comment for our Premium members. Are you hopeful that this progressive movement, which I think is the most dangerous, even it's much worse than what we saw in Vietnam with the SDS and those people, those radical people back then. Are you hopeful that this is going to run its course or are they going to get even more powerful?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I think it'll run its course, but it requires everybody according to their station to speak out. There's no room or time left to just sit in the shadows and think it's going to pass. And you were really good to make that comparison with the 60s and 70s. The difference between those people, I was a conservative, but I was at a radical campus, UC Santa Cruz. Those people were demonstrating in really destructive, self destructive and destructive manners. But their message was Nixon. And all the right have detoured from the Americans. We want to go back to the founding. We want to be the real Americans. These people never liked American. They didn't like the foundational date, 1619. They're year zero Jacobins. Change the names of the months like the Jacobins or tear down statues, rename. They want to completely erase our heritage and traditions and start anew. They're really different than the 60s hippies, you know, tune in, drop kind of Timothy Leary type people, you know, whole Earth catalog. That's not these people are Stalin us. They mean business and they don't.

[Bill O'Reilly]

They do mean business. But you think that their day is not assured.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

They don't have the numbers and they're not very practical. So the biggest thing that gave me encouragement, I never thought they would turn on the billionaire class, the Marc Andreessens, the Horowitzes, the Elon Musk even. And they did. And now they're really going to town. So it's going to make it almost impossible for the Ken Griffiths or the Jeff Bezos to be with those people. And they were one of their chief sources of funding. But when you have a billionaires tax or a net worth tax or even a millionaire's tax, that's where their strength was, the millionaire professional classes. And when those people start to get gored, they're going to see the revolutions coming after us. And the same way that that I think a lot of liberal Jewish people are going to say the revolution's coming up. These things get more and more radical. The French Revolution or the Roman Revolution, they get very dangerous, more radicalized. The Bolshevik. It doesn't mean that minorities can't take power like the Bolsheviks. But if everybody calls them out and tries to form a coalition against them, something like Fetterman or something like that, you do, you can stop it because nobody wants that message.

[Bill O'Reilly]

This is the best friend of the progressives because it is. It makes the accumulation of knowledge and perspective much, much harder when you live in a world of your own. So, Professor, I think you're one of the strongest voices in the country and we know that you've had a little health thing going and that makes it more extraordinary. You spend some time with us. I'm going to take a quick break here. Then we're coming back with killing time for Billorilly.com premium and concierge members. And I'm going to ask about the Pope.