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Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast
Karin Adoni: What Most People Miss About GLP-s, Food, Inflammation, and Skin
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Foreign welcome back to Biohacking Beauty. I'm Amitai, co founder of Young Goose Skincare. And today we're diving into a topic that's at the core of aging, younger nutrition and hormones. Before we jump in, a quick reminder. If you want to try any of our young goals Goose longevity skincare products, you can get 10% off@younggoose.com when you use the code PODCAST10 during checkout, just load your cart and when checking out, add podcast 10 in the right slot. Now, my guest today is Karin Adoni Ben David, a certified nutritionist and health coach and the founder of the Empowered Nutritionist and Clean Diet by Karin. She's been featured on NBC, Shape, and Women's Health for her work helping people heal their gut, balance their hormones, and build sustainable nutrition habits that actually stick. Karin's approach isn't about fad diets or restriction. It's about using food as a tool to optimize your biology, support your hormones, and slow down the aging process. From the inside out. We're going to get into the hormone skin connection, how you know your hormones like insulin, cortisol and estrogen literally show up on your face and what nutrition strategies you can use to keep your skin, skin and your body biologically younger. Karin is really a treasure trove of knowledge and it was a very fascinating conversation and I really hope you you're gonna enjoy it. Without further ado, please welcome Karin. Okay, Karin, welcome to the Biohacking Beauty podcast. Hi.
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B
Thank you so much. It's great being here.
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Yeah, I think it's the longest conversation I had. Pre podcast.
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B
At least we know we have many topics to talk about.
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Yeah, I should do a podcast of conversations. Pre podcast might be interesting.
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B
Yeah, I think that's interesting because sometimes offline is like more interesting than online.
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Yeah. So I told you that normally I don't do that, but I think your own health journey is pretty interesting. And so maybe we should start with what inspired you to get into nutrition because you're kind of, you kind of have a meteoric rise in popularity. So how did it start? What got you into it?
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So what got me is that for me came from a very personal story. I grew up having severe eating disorders, which is basically started at a very early age. I was 11. It was kind, it was a minute ago. So it wasn't like during social media era and all the things that makes it like very, you know, easy and, and, and, and fast to grab on. So I struggled with anorexia most of my teen life from the age of 11 until like 20, I was really like, into that. I was consumed by that.
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Wow.
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I was like fasting, starving myself, taking any supplements, any fat burner that you can think of. Legal, illegal. I would do like the cabbage diet, the apple diet, like literally anything you can imagine. I was hospitalized for like a few days. So everything was very extreme for me. But then I also had like that point of view of like, really wanted to be in control and wanted to make sure that everything is, like, good and great. So that was like a lot of my journey. And then When I was 20, I traveled to the Far east with a good friend of mine. And that was, I think, the first time ever that I had the opportunity to, like, be present and experience the moment without having a scale in my car, in my bathroom, in every room, without having, you know, my fat burners, without going to the gym five times a day without weighing myself, 20 times a day without weighing the food. Like, everything wasn't as, you know, extreme. Just because when you change your environment, a lot of things change. And we know that.
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Yeah.
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But when I came back home, everything came back and all of the demons came back, and it was the same thing. And then I realized that I needed to make a decision whether I'm taking over the disease or the disease will take over my life. And I was like, no, this is not the life I want to live. So I went back to my therapist without lying and, you know, deceiving her and hiding from her. And I started my journey. I quit my job. I was enrolled to, like, business and fashion and marketing school, which I also dropped and went to study nutrition, which was never my intention to do as a business, as a profession. It was more of like, okay, let me go heal myself, learn more about the human body. And I was captivated by, like, what I was learning. And then very quickly, I started doing like an internship, like volunteering in many places because I was just so passionate about it. And then that's how it started. And then I feel like a lot of my self healing and my process was through helping other people. And that's how I found my, I want to say destiny, my journey, my life, fulfillment of helping other people bring, you know, them to the point where they can live their life healthier, better, feel better through nutrition, healthy mindset. And it's been a minute, you know, so it's like from helping people lose weight to people with like minor eating disorders, I believe everyone has like some sort of unhealthy relationship with food. Yeah, you need to treat and take care of. But then with the years, a lot of things added like non toxic living, also beauty, wellness, you know, mindfulness. I also studied to be like a health coach. So there's a lot of things that went into that and then that's basically on the tip of the toe. Like I worked with Reebok and Nike and I manage Reebok sports nutrition department and I have recipe book and supplements and a team that I manage in groups. So there was a lot of different hats that I wear in this world and also social media and content creation. But it always comes down to like improving people's lives, eating healthier, treating themselves healthier, making good positive changes for themselves.
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Yeah. Do you think it's since there's such a close, you know, link between being obsessive about what, what comes into your mouth.
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B
Yeah.
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And you know, having eating, eating disorders and then obsessing over, you know, health and you know what, even if it's healthy, what comes into your mouth, et cetera. Do you think it was harder to build a career in health because of that? Because of your tendencies to over obsess about it or was it easy because you could channel kind of your obsession to something positive?
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So look, so the thing is this, it's a great question because it's like as a person I have a tendency to obsess, but I took my obsession and made it more positive. Of course there was times that it wasn't as positive, There were times that it was more positive. It was also went through stuff. But I always try to take that obsession and turning it to something positive. Learning more, seeing more, figuring out stuff more, getting understanding connections, helping out people, helping out myself. So I was always like taking it another step further, taking a deeper dive on everything. So eventually it brought me to a very positive place and I took like that because I do believe, listen, having severe eating disorders and anorexia, it needs a certain personality typecast, like a type A personality overanalyzer, overthinker, does things in a certain way, which has a lot of advantages and disadvantages, like, you know, like everything else. So of course it was a battle for me within the years, but at the end of the day I now bring it to a positive place knowing where are my weaknesses and knowing where do I fall off from those places.
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Yeah, you talk a lot about empowered nutrition.
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B
Yeah.
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So how would you describe the difference between empowered nutrition and like what does it mean to you? How do you see it differ from, you know, any other kind of journey to healthy living?
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Because I think first of all, everything starts like what you eat determines so much, you know.
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Yeah.
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Whether it's like you're sick, whether it's your motivation or whether it's you're depressed, whether it's like everything that you basically do. So a lot of the things is like people don't understand that food is the root cause for so many things. So is it like your immunity? So your gut bacteria is 70% of your immunity? Is it that we know by studies and we see in the field? We don't even need studies for that. People that eat well, do not consume ultra processed foods, sleep well, hydrate, prioritize their wellness, are less depressed, more motivated, don't get as sick, are not inflamed, don't get metabolic syndromes, like obesity is not genetic. I'm sorry, this is a BS that the FDA is feeding you to keep everyone in a chronic state. So everything comes down to that because it doesn't matter which supplement you're going to take or which medication you're going to take. The food that you eat three times a day, four times a day, five times a day, once a day, from the moment you're born until you die, have the most significant effect on your health. So if you use it as a tool and as medicine, it's amazing. But when you don't, it's as destructive.
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Yeah. How do you start with, with someone. So what, what, what do you think are the highest, you know, in order of importance? Like what is, how does the pyramid of, of nutrition look looks like to you? Because obviously it's, it's not, it's not what the, what the fda first of.
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All, for me, yeah, FDA is like whatever. I always thought it was whatever post Covid. I think more or less of that, but that's a different conversation. And coming from a person who went from the academia and everything else, academics, and I was like, yeah, listen, the interest here or like the money, follow the money, like we now see things a lot differently. And then so the thing is this first of all, and I always said that cut back ultra processed food, nothing good happens there. So it doesn't matter. Like even when we had, you know, the trend of the veganism or non meat or whatever it is, I was like, guys, what's most important is not to consume things that are ultra processed, that has an ingredient list of 20, 30 things you can't pronounce, things that looks like a, you know, a laundry list and a chemistry lab. This shouldn't be consumed. That's the Basics of everything, like whether we want to up protein, lower protein, lose weight, that's first. Because A, you consume more calories, B, it messes up your hunger and satiety level, like your girling, and it messes up with your regular hormones, like your thyroid, your insulin, everything. So it's like, it's like it doesn't matter what I'll do because people always like. And I remember like when the veganism was, I'm not eating meat, I'm healthy. And then you look at their plate, it's like ultra processed meat, fake cheese, french fries cooked in like canola oil. And I'm like, okay, we got this so wrong. Even though now it's dropping. But again, it's not the meat, no meat. It's eat real food. Yeah, that's the basics.
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Yeah, you know, it's, it's definitely. I mean, there is a direct correlation between that and inflammation. I mean, normally when we talk to people, people about skin health, you start everything by saying, hey, you can't be chronically inflamed and expect anything to happen. Like, anything positive to happen, anything positive to happen. For sure. Even if, you know, people come, people come to us all the time and say, hey, what do you think about, fill in the blank, this specific laser or radio frequency or something along those lines? And basically every machine, what it does, it introduces selective inflammation. Any, any, any procedure, it's supposed to make you look better. Basically, selective inflammation. Well, if you're chronically inflamed, it really doesn't matter how good the treatment is. Your body has no, has no ability to respond to it positively.
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Exactly. And it will always, and it will always come back. Always.
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100%. Yeah, yeah. So do you get a lot of conversations around, hey, I just want to look better. Like, tell me what to do.
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Obviously, especially working with like, not majority, but like, yeah, majority, majority women. Just because it's like a lot of women, you know, want to lose weight and whatever it is, but because of that reason, a lot of like, I just want to lose weight. This doesn't matter, like how I feel. I don't mind not doing it in a healthy way. I was never okay with that. Like even 10 years ago when, like, you know, we would, you know, say diet and losing weight is more important than anything else. And calories are just calories, and it's calories in, calories out. Like, not that it's through today, but like, it's not just that. I was always about you. I want you to eat, to lose weight and to be healthy, I teach you how to combine them both. Because weight isn't necessarily in the healthy way and eating healthy without understanding how you should like structure your food wouldn't always necessarily bring you to weight loss. Or it will, but not in the results you're looking for or the amount looking for is as fast that you're looking for. So I always went on that and always people that was like either pushing or crazy diets never talked up. Nonetheless, like weight loss shots, medications and all of those things, I was always against it. I never thought there's any shortcuts. And for me it's first of all, if you be healthy, weight loss is the outcome. If can get you in a healthy mindset will follow. And that's where it starts.
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So I think it's basically listen if like you said, inflammation, anti aging cells, inflammation and aging and everything, it all starts with there. So listen, there are things that will just happen. We age, that's a part of it. But on the other hand, when you add things with such a, your cells oxidize so fast you consume, you know, trans fats, you consume ultra processed food, you consume titanium dioxide that changes your DNA, you consume synth like you know, artificial sweeteners and food coloring and you put tons of fragrance on your skin all the time. And whatever it is Those things do change your hormones, your DNA, increase the inflammation in your body. So eventually this will make you age faster. In all means. Of course there's genetics, which is 50%, but 50% is epigenetics, which is basically how your cells will be expressed. And 50% is a lot.
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Yeah.
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And people don't realize that. And that's got to do with like inflammation, aging, even cancer. The majority of the people think cancer is genetic, which I don't know, don't quote me on the number, but if I remember correctly, I think 90% isn't. It's environmental which people do not understand that. It's like yes there's genetic involved, but what you do is huge and makes a bigger difference than what it is you're in a certain way, but what you do it. That's everything.
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Yeah. So you know, we are talking about all the things that, that people consume and are harmful. But there is the flip side of that. A lot of people want, you know, I would say like tips on what is, what is kind of, let's say a lot of people want to lower inflammation. A lot of people listening to this podcast, one of the main goals that they have is yes, I understand inflammation is bad for me, I understand drives aging whether it's in the skin or in the body. But really what I want is ways to lower inflammation. What are your to lower inflammation.
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So the first thing as I said this is okay, so you, okay, so you remove ultra processed food, number one, you avoid any seed like industrial seed oil. So it'll be like canola oil, soy oil, soybean oil, sunflower oil, all of those things from your house completely like you never consume them. You can move to like olive oil, avocado oil, butter, ghee, tallow. I would advise getting like extra virgin, cold pressed, like high quality because that also makes a difference. But the oils are a big deal. I would look into water. People underestimate the importance of not drinking tap water with chlorine and fluoride and microplastics and so many things like literally just ladwp and issued like a report la like water department of like how many pollutions they have in their water. So and it's like we're 70% water so it's kind of important doing that. So whether you home filtration system and if not under a sink or just get on the counter, you know, just your water, it's that important. Sleep. It doesn't matter what you do. If you don't prioritize sleep, your body doesn't heal itself. Immunity doesn't reset, hormones doesn't reset that your thyroid doesn't function. Nothing happens. Like when you sleep, everything happens. So those would be like the four major stuff now, of course, workouts, exercise, lifting weights. It's anti aging. But that comes after like sometimes people. I'm going to the gym. But your food is all over the place. You don't sleep well, you drink Diet Coke, you live on coffee all day long. Go to the gym, it's great. But it's like dropping a glass of water into the ocean.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. So what would you say? So these are kind of the, the things to eliminate and that's definitely the most important. Like you want to drive the road. Doesn't matter what, what car you drive. If there is a bunch of rocks on the road, you won't be able to drive. Right?
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Yeah.
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So boulders. Right. Like you won't be able to. There's no road. Right. So you need to clear the debris first so you can even drive. But what are some of the foods that you found are. Yeah. That are the best at lowering inflammation.
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So we have basically the high antioxidants, you know, levels that we can see that. So it'd be like all berries, like blueberries, raspberry, blackberries. Yes. Consume it organic because otherwise the pests are like just like terrible. I would add on top of that, like you know, wild caught fish. I would add like high quality meat, like grass fed meat. I would add like the filtered water as I said. And you can do like, you know, healthy carbs such as like sweet potato, potato stuff like that. Vegetables that I would add. I'm not the person who's against vegetables. I do not agree with that thing like thinking that spinach is your, you know.
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Yeah.
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Like we have so many other things to avoid from other than that. So. Yeah, so. So it's like going back to basics. But like the proteins, the fruits and vegetables, our body needs the protein to flourish, to thrive, to succeed. For like his immune system to build. Like his hair, his nails, collagen. Yeah, everything comes from that. So I do think that that. But consuming like protein from real sources, not like ultra processed protein. Yeah.
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Yeah. Is there. Are you, are, are you in favor of trying to like have as many colors on your plate as possible?
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Colors are great.
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Yeah. Okay, great. What's your take on fasting, especially for women?
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Because I do think fasting has some advantages. I do also believe that. So the thing is this, it's more important what you eat and what you don't eat versus just the fasting and not fasting. I am more of a person who believes that you need to finish eating early and then like, let your digestive system rest and eat in the morning. And like, as it goes by, the metabolism slows down. Like use, you know, use that for energy, not the other way around. But I don't think fasting, fasting, yes, we do see, the immune system boosts itself, renews itself. Cells can renew themselves. But again, it's very specific. And it's also for people that know what they're doing. And then if we're talking about intermediate fasting, I would just stop eating at 6, 7, because I think the rest. If we're a full day of fasting, you need to know what you're doing. You can just do that.
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Yeah. So to connect to that, you did me. You then mentioned the digestive system and you do talk. You emphasize gut health quite a bit.
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Yeah.
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How do you see the gut microbiome specifically impact, you know, skin health, the aging process as a whole? You mentioned it being 70% of the immune system. What is the role of gut health as far as aging and skin aging?
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So basically, as we said, like 70% of your immunity is in your gut bacteria. So unbalanced microbiome is a lower immunity, is in predisposition for more diseases, can create inflammation in the body. You don't go to the bathroom sometimes as often, and you don't clear out toxins as efficiently. You feel more bloated. And that also impact on your skin directly. So your skin can be impacted from your gut bacteria, it can be impacted from your hormones, it can be impacted from like everything. So from that perspective, it has a direct correlation which. Which we know a lot of the things is like, it's not for reason. It's called the second brain.
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Yeah, I mean, for sure. And. And there is a study, so there's. There is a company, granted, that they do make products that are specifically for acne. So are they biased? Yeah, probably. They're called Crown Labs. It's one of the biggest companies in acne care. But they published a study. They showed that they basically smeared a bunch of cutie bacterium, which is C. Acne bacterium, on people's faces and people who are more predisposed, Their immune system basically was more predisposed to then express itself in acne. You could have introduced just a little bit and they'll flare up and people that. That they are not predisposed to get acne, whereas their immune system does not Respond in a way which causes acne. You could have a thousand times more bacteria spread on their skin and they will not develop acne. Or at least it's not going to be as bad.
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Interesting. But is it, is that their immune system specifically responds to that? Because they could have a strong immune system and respond specifically to death. Because immune system has different like things. And it's like people that are more, you know, sensitive to viruses, bacteria, people that get it, get fat, get to heal very quickly. Like it's like immune system has different stuff, which makes sense. We do know that predisposition does play a role in that. And the end goes to genetics. The 50% does determine that.
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Yeah, that's a great question. I don't remember if that was a flawed immune system or a sensitive or an over expression of like mast cells or something like that through the immune system. Or was it really their pre, like genetic predisposition to get acne. That's a great point. But I remember the conclusion which was acne is immune system driven rather than specifically like a bacterial colonization, if you would. It's more like a reaction to the bacteria.
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Would love to see that. Super interesting.
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So I mean it's very interesting. Within that, you know, talking about bacteria, are there certain probiotics, prebiotics or you know, fermented foods you believe are must for skin health? Obviously for anything for gut health. But specifically that you saw expressing in the skin. And you can answer more generally it doesn't have to be.
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I don't know if they're specifically because I do feel that it changes. I do know there's like some ones that really work well for like people and then helps to like balance their gut bacteria and then it helps their skin. Yeah, I do feel that it's a little bit more individual than what I like from what I've seen throughout the years. Like I have a few brands that I recommend that I love working and of course there's like Kefir and like sauerkraut and like kombucha and there's a lot of great fermented food. But to tell you that it's always a direct correlation. Tell you this one. So it's like you different kind of probiotics. Probiotics for like different situation. And also people will respond differently.
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Do you recommend probiotics especially? There is now a craze around Akkermansia. Right?
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Yeah.
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What, what is your take on taking akromansia or taking probiotics in general? Or are you more in the camp of it's more not necessarily about the probiotics, but really about the prebiotics. Like where do you stand there?
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So I think it's first of all, it depends. Okay, so when I see clients one on one, when they're not in my groups, when I see them. So first of all we wanna analyze the situation and want to see what's going on so they could come to me. And a lot of them, it's like they suffer from some sort of IBS or like they get bloated all the time. They flare up so many times. I don't start off with a probiotics, I actually start off with the food. And I want to see the response of the body to the food, their bowel movement. I want to see how their body first of all operates without anything, just solely like good, high quality food. And then we can add on stuff as needed or whatever it is. But I don't feel that it's necessarily needed. But it could be that a person is like, is he, he eats healthy, like his lifestyle is great. But I do feel that, okay, let's up it, like we can out. Like I build that up by tears, like where's your starting point and what are you trying to get to? But if someone comes to me and his system is all over the place, I first want to clear up and then I want to build up on that not to just now, okay, let's bombard you with seven different supplements. And then it's like first of all, if his digestive system and microbiome isn't absorbing so it's not being utilized and it's not converting into what it needs. And then B, how do I know what works? And then C could be that something like there's so many different things that comes to that. So I would start off with first seeing what the person needs. And then from that it could be sometimes we need enzymes, sometimes we need a probiotics, but we need lower amount because it's like it's too sensitive and it will be overwhelming for a system. So it's like that, that's the thing when sometimes like people miss that point of like there's be individuality in a lot of things because it's your genetic, your epigenetics, how old are you? What's your lifestyle, how stressed are you? What are the, what can you do? What are the changes and habits you can actually do? You know?
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Yeah, if you have seven kids and you're a single mother, good luck.
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Yeah. So it's not like just as straightforward. I know everyone are looking for that, but yeah.
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B
Okay, I didn't know that, but I.
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Don'T to the extent. So there is a company that is called Image. It's a pretty large company for professional skincare. So they've basically started a subsidiary company called Vololift.
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Okay.
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They're basically took a product that they've had forever that wasn't selling well and they, they changed the name is like, oh, this is a specific product for when people are on skinny shots, basically. But first of all, and now the statistics that I've read, I don't know if it's true or not that one out of five people in the United States is taking some kind of skinny shots. So whether it is, you know, ozempic, semi glutide. Yeah, we go benjaro. How often do you see it? Do you see one? Maybe you see more than one out of five people because you see people who are interested in weight loss. Maybe more. And then what do you do with it?
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So I'll tell you what, I do feel that, by the way, like a year ago it was like every second person. I do feel that now people understand that it's not so magical as it is. It doesn't work on everyone. You had a plateau. Side effects are horrendous. I think Ozempic are now facing a $2 billion lawsuit.
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Wow.
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Yeah, they deserve $20 billion lawsuit. But anyways, I'll tell you what. I have worked obviously with people much prior to Ozempic being for the entire population, because it's being. It's for people with type 2 diabetes, like the GLP one that actually helps with people that are metabolically broken. What do I think? I think it's terrible. I think is that it's a shortcut that comes with such a high price. I think that people don't realize what are the side effects? Like, not even to you about the crazy side effects, but just talking about the fact that once you get off it is that it's like in a predisposition to get like, diabetes, GI problems. Gi like paralyze your stomach. Stomach, pancreas, cancer problem in your liver. Like, I. I had clients and friends that got the most horrific side effects from like, wow, hospital, heart problems, liver problem. One of them, their liver almost crashed. Like, dude, they lost 30 pounds. Like, is it worth it? Like, see what you're talking about now. Never mind. Let's put even think, like, let's not even go so far. Like, the doctors don't even tell you that you literally need to use it for the rest of your life. Because when you get off it, your hunger levels spike through the roof. Your metabolism gets messed up so badly you lose the majority muscle mass, which is like impairing your longevity and your metabolism. And you haven't learned how to eat properly. And now you come back to reality getting off it and you gain weight like crazy. So that's the problem. There's no shortcut. Like, if you want to take that and use it as a booster, okay, you still need to do the job. You still need to eat healthy, you still need to learn how to cook, you still need to learn what to order at restaurants. You still need to work out, you still need to sleep well, you still need to do it all. You can use it as a Kickstarter, which you can, like the people who've done bariatric surgery, you do it as a Kickstarter. But then if you're not following what you're Supposed to be following. You're A, not gonna lose weight or B, you're gonna gain it all back. So it's the same. It's just, it's now so easy. You don't need to go to surgery, you don't need to be evaluated. Every doctor prescribes it. They get tons of money from it. From them. It's the magic solution. They sponsor studies saying that it's good for your heart, it's good for your cholesterol, it's good for all of the BS stuff, which could be because if you weigh 400 pounds and you lose weight, of course, but like. No, it comes with a price. Nothing doesn't. Nothing comes free. And then the OIC phase is because you lose. You lose muscle mass.
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Yeah.
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B
Lose a lot of that fat bone too. You look like that and then. And then it's just.
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Yeah.
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B
So many things like, you know, and. Oh, and by the way, never talk about depression, anxiety, you know, change of mood, change of behavior, like suicidal. Like.
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A
What would you say to a professional that says it's because it's over prescribed and it is overdosed, that it should be microdosed and that is the. That way it is in a positive adjunct. Do you think that there is. There are microdose levels that are.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That are kind of mitigating the bad effects and are kind of helping?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think that you can take a micro dose to help you, you know, get out of the gate. Like, you don't know where to start. You feel like you need a boost. And then work like, if you work with like a health professional, nutritionist, dietitian, someone who can guide you through and you're using it as an aid. I'm not against it, but again, it's like, it's like the majority of the people don't do that. The majority of people are looking for the shortcut, for the higher dose, the bigger weight loss.
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Yeah. And I think what you said, and it almost connects to what you said about veganism. It doesn't really matter the. I would say, like the choices of roads you're taking, but there is not going to be a road that actually requires less of you.
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B
Exactly.
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A
So if you're a vegan or if you're, you know, whatever else. I don't know how many names we have already for diets, but whatever you are, you then need to become a better cook. You need to understand how to make your food at home or whatever that is, because now you need to have significantly, you're Just more limited in your options. Right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And with those, I mean, with any skinny shots as well, do you direct people to then prioritize protein? Like, what do you. What.
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B
What are the Prioritize protein. And you need to do workouts and you need to do strength training because you don't want to lose basically, you know, your muscle mass, your bone density. I would prioritize healthy fats like avocado and nuts and whatever it is. Also to replenish that and not to mess up their hormones completely.
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A
Yeah.
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Because fats are important as the founding start of hormones and everything else. So there's a lot of things that I would guide them through. And then also not to go in a crazy calorie deficit, because when you do go beneath 1200 calories daily for a long period of time, you do up your metabolism and at some periods it doesn't recover as efficiently or it takes too long to recover. So there's a lot of things that I do advise them to do and I do look little bit further down. But, but listen, it's like, it's. It's also something that, like, I, I had someone that I know that had crazy side effects. She was five times.
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A
Wow.
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B
Five times. She was only three months.
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A
You said you were. She was on. Only on it for three months.
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B
Three months.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah. And she's obviously off of it, but she told me, I wish I could go back to it.
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A
Wow.
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B
And of course, I had a serious conversation with her and we talked for an hour and she came out looking at things differently. But that's the thing. It, like, it makes people think that this is the only thing that can help them. This is the only magic. And that's, listen, that's got to do with so many things like the media, the diet companies, the culture, the diet culture in America. Convincing that obesity is genetic, convincing the diet needs to be perfect, that you need to fast, that you need to do crazy stuff, that you need to eat a salad and a chicken breast. All like, all this stuff that like, basically those diet industries there, it's a billion, billions of dollars industry, one of the most successful industries in America by far. And it's growing and obesity is growing and diabetes is increasing and kids. Obesity is growing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But the diet industry is also growing. What is it that it's not like, working.
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A
I don't. No pun intended. But they are feeding off each other.
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B
Of course they're feeding off each other. Like the food in the cafeteria. Like Michelle Obama trying to make the cafeterias healthier and Defining like pizza as a vegetable. So we're not talking here. No politics. I don't care which side you are, your kids health should be in the priority and your priority like should be on the top of your priorities. It's not a conversation about which party you're at. It's a conversation like we need a healthier America. Our kids deserve better. You go out, out of this state and out of this country and you travel to Europe and everything actually has a flavor and you don't get from gluten dairy. You eat like.
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A
Yeah. And I. Yeah. And not to idolize. I mean there they do obviously other things poorly. But I think as far as like nutrition, it's incredible to see how financial incentive which is, which is incredible in the United States. How, how close. Close to the decision making center nutritional. Whether it is nutritional additives or just food manufacturers are to this decision makers and their ability to invest money into legislature really then transforms our society to a, to a sicker and less society.
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B
Is not pharmaceutical Lobis.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They work together. We saw that. We know that people are like, no, they have our best interest. I'm like, yeah, that's why when they had the oxy pandemic, they were the one that created the pandemic. They were also the one that created the rehab centers. Yeah. Just just to put it out there. Very like very. Just, just not. It's not even conspiracy. It's just. It's just look at the things like do you think that this is normal? Like where, where like how far changing the narrative has gone that like eating Lucky Charms considers to be like a good breakfast that like you know, diet soda is, is normal. Is like.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then another thing that bothers me, the doctors and pediatrician, which I'm not going against doctors because I do think that there's.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So many things science and doctors are contributing to us. And I think like every, every profession there's great professionals and there's not so great like, like everything else.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I do feel that the fact that doctors do not learn anything about nutrition and do give nutrition advices is problematic.
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A
Yeah, I agree. I agree. I just, I mean I saw someone on Instagram and that would be. I mean I'm not going to throw the person under the bus. But first of all, everything they say is like as an oncologist, an oncological practitioner.
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B
I know.
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A
Then they say whatever they say, first of all, they are not a doctor. I just don't want to say what that is. But they're not a medical Doctor and they are, you look at their credentials, they've never learned. They didn't even have even one course in nutrition. Maybe they had a ChatGPT5 course in nutrition. You know that there was, there was, there was nothing there. And the advice is, is accordingly. Right. The advice has nothing to do with, with reality.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But Karin, I, I, I do want to talk about a big subject that I feel is also underrepresented and also very, very vulnerable to outside influence, which is women's hormonal health.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you do work a lot with female hormones. How do hormonal hormones, you know, like insulin, cortisol, estrogen, how much attention do you give those and how do you see them affecting aging with, with people you take care of?
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B
So it's a great question. We have about nine hormones that critically like influence our body. Estrogen, progesterone, insulin, cortisol, leptin, ghrelin, like it's like there's a few things that goes into that equation. Testosterone and whatever it is when they're thrown off. It's got to do with everything like more severe menopause, more severe pms, fatigueness of brain fog, lack of sleep, lack of motivation. And it's something that we see. So when I started working with like women during menopause or 40 plus, it was like years ago and it was very untouched topic. Now we see hormonal problems starting at a very, even in an earlier age. And we see that like girls at the age of nine get their period. It's not normal. By no means. Yeah. Now that's got to do with the lifestyle we live. Plastic water bottles that mimic bp like the BPA mimics like estrogen that like captures into like our cells. And like estrogen, it got to do with the fragrance. We're using the body lotion, the shampoo, the bleach, the Clorox, the acne, like all of those disruptor homes, the Tide, like the laundry detergent. We're using skin, our biggest organ, it absorbs everything. So it's like it's, it's a bigger thing and those things affect your hormones completely. Now it became more of a conversation like hormonal disruptors. And what does it do? And, and again I would start it like slowly and gradually because it can be very overwhelming even for me. Who someone who lives a non toxic lifestyle for many years. And I've been doing this for a long time. It's like it takes a minute. You need to like get rid of all the plastic. You need to through the Filtration system. There is no fragrance in the house. I haven't yet wore perfume for like 10 years. Like, but like, and I literally, I can smell it. It gives me a migraine because I'm so sensitive.
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A
Yeah. Things will be the next smoking. Like people who enter elevators with like crazy strong perfume. To my. In my opinion, it's going to be the next is going to be as perceived as obnoxious as someone like smoking.
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B
So all of those things influence our hormones. Obviously the food. But it comes together and once you remove that and then obviously like people like, yeah, girls get their period early because like there is like injected hormones into our food. True to a certain extent. But it's like it goes more further down why everything is so like interrupt. So I do feel that hormonal balance and women. Hormonal balance is one of the most hottest upcoming relevant, popular trends topics that should be talked about much more. I do feel that it's kind of, I don't want to say neglected, but even hormonal, like the studies and the research on women's health is like allocates only 5% of the research for that which is like it's nothing. Which is like hormones. They're the big boss of our body. They like literally control everything.
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A
Yeah.
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So I do feel that's something that everyone should take more of a careful look and start understanding how you can start balancing it a little bit better and doing like small changes.
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A
Yeah. Anyway, Karin, I feel we can talk a lot more but I know you need to go. So maybe for, you know, in the last couple of minutes, how do people learn more like your credo and kind of the way that you view nutrition? How can people work with you whether it is in groups or one on one on one.
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B
So you can reach out to me so you can visit my website@corinnadoni.com I do one on one. I do 21 day group for weight loss. I do 21 day groups for hormonal balance which is a combination of like healthy eating and removing all the hormonal disruptors. I do, you know, longer programs of 90 days and ETC. I do one on one with clients as well. And you can always leave us a message. We can, you know, send schedule a call with me or one of my team members and then you can always follow me on Instagram and TikTok for Corinha Doni nutrition which I, I post daily. There's a lot of information, there's a lot of content going on. I try to make it as available and easy to understand. I know sometimes it can get overwhelming.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But this is what it is. And I promise you're gonna get so many useful tips, information swaps.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Tips that it will, like, literally, I get hundreds of messages every day. I change my entire house because of you. I lost weight. I feel so much better. My. Like, every single day with people that I've never probably had a conversation with. So that's, like my biggest. Like, it gives me so much satisfaction.
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A
Yeah, I. I know. It's. I. I mean, you're very influential and. And it's a pleasure to see the content that you're. That you're putting out. In any case. Yeah. We're going to have everything in the show notes, and I really appreciate your time. And we're going to have to bring you back because that. That was. We didn't cover everything.
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B
I would love to come back.
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A
All right. Thank you, guys. Thank you very much.
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B
Thank you so much.