Have White Women Successfully Stolen Yoga?

Summary

Black and White Advice - Episode: "Have White Women Successfully Stolen Yoga?" | Released February 18, 2025

Hosts: Turner Sparks (White) and Phil Duckett (Black)
Description: Comedians Turner Sparks and Phil Duckett tackle all your questions on race, addressing even the most challenging topics with humor and insight.

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with Turner Sparks and Phil Duckett welcoming their regular co-host, Joe "the Muscle" Russell, who joins them remotely. The trio engages in light-hearted banter about upcoming Patreon rewards, specifically Phil's potential stage dive at a punk rock concert in New York City. They discuss various bands and the dynamics of mosh pits, setting a casual and engaging tone for the episode.

Patreon and Upcoming Events

Turner and Phil express excitement about nearing their Patreon goal of $250, which promises Phil a spot in a New York City punk rock mosh pit. They explore different bands, including Fishbone, Nerf Herder, Diesel Boy, Hell Beach, and more obscure acts like Kidnapped, Livid, and Groin. The conversation highlights the intensity of New York City mosh pits compared to other locations, with Turner sharing his own experiences of stage diving and Phil expressing his eagerness to participate.

Notable Quote:
Turner Sparks [05:02]: "New York has like the real down and dirty. The mosh pits are more insane in New York City."

Listener Question 1: Cultural Appropriation of Yoga

The first listener question comes from James in Memphis, who observes that yoga is predominantly associated with white women rather than its Indian origins. He poses a two-part question:

1. Is yoga the most successful cultural appropriation by white people?
2. What have black people appropriated from white culture?

Discussion Highlights:

• Yoga as Cultural Appropriation:
  Turner acknowledges that yoga has been widely adopted and commercialized by white communities, often disconnecting it from its Indian roots. Phil adds that the popularization of Bikram yoga in Beverly Hills contributed significantly to its mainstream acceptance among white women.

  Notable Quote:
  Phil Duckett [14:38]: "They completely took that. They took that and it started getting big in LA, in Beverly Hills."

• Black Cultural Appropriation:
  Transitioning to the second part, Phil discusses basketball as a major cultural element black communities revitalized. He emphasizes that while basketball was invented by Dr. James Naismith, it was black players who infused it with the dynamic energy that saved the NBA during its merger with the ABA.

  Notable Quote:
  Phil Duckett [23:00]: "We revamped it for you. Basketball 2.0. A little razzle dazzle."

Listener Question 2: Land Acknowledgments in Black Communities

Spencer from Eugene, Oregon, raises a question about the prevalence of land acknowledgments in black communities compared to white communities, noting their brief surge in various public settings around 2022.

Discussion Highlights:

• Turner and Phil explore the concept of land acknowledgments, noting that they are more commonly practiced in white institutions and seldom adopted by black communities.

• They reference Australia's continued practice of land acknowledgments and the lack of similar movements in black communities, emphasizing the need for genuine reparations beyond symbolic gestures.

  Notable Quote:
  Phil Duckett [28:29]: "White people need to apologize because they have a lot to atone for. They normally don't make us apologize."

Listener Question 3: Misconceptions About Black Individuals

Fun Kilo from Phoenix, Arizona, submits a question addressing misconceptions that Phil wishes people had about him. Specifically, he mentions wishing people thought he was "packing a niner" (a slang term for a handgun) to deter unwanted attention.

Discussion Highlights:

• Phil humorously responds, expressing his frustration with stereotypes that undermine his persona as a comedian.

• Turner relates by sharing his own wish for slight intimidation to gain respect, highlighting the nuanced ways white and black individuals navigate societal perceptions.

  Notable Quotes:
  Turner Sparks [32:07]: "I wish people thought I knew kung fu so they wouldn't mess with me."
  Phil Duckett [32:48]: "Laugh you right out of that. Victoria's Secret, come fucking with me."

Listener Question 4: When Do White Parents Let Their Kids Cuss?

Kim from Charleston, South Carolina, seeks advice on understanding at what age white parents typically allow their children to use profanity in front of them. She highlights her experience raising black children in predominantly white schools.

Discussion Highlights:

• Turner shares his personal experiences with parental discipline, noting generational differences in attitudes toward punishment and expression.

• Phil contrasts black and white parenting styles, emphasizing the harsher disciplining methods often present in black households compared to white ones.

• The conversation delves into societal expectations and the impact of disciplinary practices on children's behavior and self-expression.

  Notable Quotes:
  Phil Duckett [36:06]: "We got beat. Dog walked, if you will."
  Turner Sparks [41:12]: "It was that, yeah, yeah, yeah, get all your feelings out, get your emotions out."

Fact Check Segment: Yoga Pants and Lululemon

Joe Russell leads the fact-check segment, verifying claims made during the show.

Key Points:

• Lululemon's Name Origin:
  Joe confirms that Lululemon founder Chip Wilson named the brand to be difficult for Japanese speakers to pronounce, reflecting a racially insensitive intent.

  Notable Quote:
  Phil Duckett [50:16]: "Remember? What an asshole."

• Legality of Spanking:
  Joe addresses the legality of spanking in the United States, clarifying that as of 2024, spanking remains legal in all 50 states despite opposition from medical and social service professionals.

  Notable Quote:
  Joe Russell [49:38]: "Despite opposition from medical and social service professionals, as of 2024, the spanking of children is legal in all 50 states."

Closing Remarks

Turner and Phil encourage listeners to join their Patreon for bonus content and continued discussions on race and societal issues. They reiterate their commitment to providing honest and unfiltered advice on black and white interactions.

Notable Quote:
Turner Sparks [51:19]: "You’ve got a question but you’re scared to ask. Just drop the boys a message because they’re up to the task."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Turner Sparks and Phil Duckett delve into the complexities of cultural appropriation, parenting stereotypes, and societal misconceptions. Through humor and candid conversation, they challenge listeners to reflect on deeply ingrained norms and advocate for genuine understanding and respect across racial lines.

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Transcript

[Turner Sparks]

I wish people were even just slightly scared of me. That would be. I don't intimidate anyone, but any type of. Just respect. A modicum of respect.

[Phil Duckett]

I was just a pinch would be helpful. Have you ever had a question you want to ask the opposite race but you were too nervous to ask?

[Turner Sparks]

I'm Turner Sparks.

[Phil Duckett]

And I'm Phil Duckett.

[Turner Sparks]

And this is black and white advice.

[Phil Duckett]

But we answer all your questions about race, even the scary ones.

[Turner Sparks]

This is black and white advice.

[Phil Duckett]

You've got a question but you're scared to ask.

[Turner Sparks]

Just drop the boys a message. They're up to the task.

[Phil Duckett]

They're rolling the dice. They ain't always nice, but you can't think twice and give it black and white advice. Black and white advice.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, everybody. Welcome to the show. I'm Turner Sparks.

[Phil Duckett]

Phil Ducket, Real deal.

[Turner Sparks]

We got Joe the Muscle Russell behind the glass on the ones and 2. How you doing back there, Joe?

[Joe Russell]

Good.

[Phil Duckett]

And got a microphone. He's got creepier without the crank camera. Now it's just his voice, like.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, it's just like a floating ghost.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

We got a lot coming at you guys. We got. We're going to answer your black and white device questions. We got Joe. We got Joe Russell doing the white lies and dark truths. Our fact check segment at the very end of the show. But right now it's just us.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, no.

[Turner Sparks]

But right now it's Patreon. That's what I wanted to get to you guys. We're incredibly close to hitting that. Our first goal, $250. We're going to put Phil Duckett in a mosh pit at a punk rock rock concert in New York City.

[Phil Duckett]

The rest of the sharpies with X is on me.

[Turner Sparks]

There you go.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Should I be looking up? I. I said. We said last week we would do it. Right, or we said last. Last time we talked about this that we would do it. So should we just look up some punk shows you might want to go to?

[Phil Duckett]

Sure. Just. Just read me off a couple of the names. All right.

[Turner Sparks]

Let me Google real quick.

[Phil Duckett]

You know who's playing the matinee?

[Turner Sparks]

The matinee? I don't think they have matinees. We got.

[Phil Duckett]

You ever heard of Fishbone Turner, Just start. Don't ask me anymore, though. Have I heard of. I've heard of none of them. You've heard of Fishbone?

[Turner Sparks]

Fishbone's great. Fishbone, by the way, has a black lead singer.

[Phil Duckett]

We're there.

[Turner Sparks]

Where you want to go to that one.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm Gonna support the brother.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, we can go see Fishbone. They're playing Saturday, March 22nd.

[Phil Duckett]

Saturday, March 22nd. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

We got a show in March. We got Nerf Herder, one of my favorite bands, coming with Diesel Boy and Hell beach opening the show. That's more like nerd punk. It's going to be a lighter mosh pit. That's Sunday, April 13th.

[Phil Duckett]

Nerd punk.

[Turner Sparks]

Fishbone is ska influence. They. I don't know. They used to have horns. They might still. They used to have horns, like horn players. Oh, okay. Trumpet.

[Phil Duckett]

I was like, what?

[Turner Sparks]

So there's like that roots element of it, you know, and then. But then you're getting. You're getting punk. You're getting like. Like a little bit of funk in there, too. I think Fishbone might be the one.

[Phil Duckett]

Might be the one.

[Turner Sparks]

All right. That. They're like. Everybody loves Fishbone. They're Fishbone. If you've heard of Red Hot Chili Peppers, biggest influence is Fishbone. Fishbone was a LA band in the 80s that Red Hot Chili Peppers basically ripped off.

[Phil Duckett]

And then they became.

[Turner Sparks]

And they became super famous.

[Phil Duckett]

And then Fishbone was like, we're still.

[Turner Sparks]

Fishbone's still playing the Brooklyn Monarch.

[Phil Duckett]

Okay.

[Turner Sparks]

Coming up on March 22nd. All right, those are good. One. Oh, this one's called Boston Marathon. That's probably not going to be.

[Phil Duckett]

That is a wild name.

[Turner Sparks]

That's a tough band.

[Phil Duckett]

That is a tough Boston Marathon.

[Turner Sparks]

That's a tough band name.

[Phil Duckett]

Okay. Punk is different.

[Turner Sparks]

Here's one called Blame God.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, we're not going that.

[Turner Sparks]

And by the way, they're opening for a band called Kidnapped, another band called Livid, and another band called Groin. I've never heard of any of these bands.

[Joe Russell]

This sounds like the show.

[Phil Duckett]

Sounds like the show.

[Turner Sparks]

Kidnapped, Livid, Groin and Blame God.

[Phil Duckett]

Is that a big one or a small one?

[Turner Sparks]

That's small. I've never heard of those bands.

[Phil Duckett]

That's gonna get wild.

[Turner Sparks]

I think that's gonna be. Oh, here's one that has two X's. I was telling you about the X on the hands. Oh. Means it's. They're straight edge and they don't drink alcohol. And if you do drink alcohol, they try to fight you.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm gonna go in there with a handle of liquor.

[Turner Sparks]

There you go.

[Phil Duckett]

Who's gonna stop me?

[Turner Sparks]

Go get blasted. Straight Edge concert. And then you got. Okay, here we got the dopamines, and they're open for them is Shell, Shag and Fat Heaven.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm gonna let you make the pick on these because I'm like, I have no idea. Fishbone sounds good, but if you want to do Dirty Groins and I'll look.

[Turner Sparks]

All these up and there's all these different days. It's New York City, so this is like the home punk rock in America is either from la, like most things, LA or New York.

[Phil Duckett]

Right.

[Turner Sparks]

And. But New York City is like the hard la. Fishbones from la. But they're really good. They tour everywhere. New York has like the real down and dirty. The mosh pits are more insane in New York City. So you've come to the right place.

[Phil Duckett]

Is there any chance to let me stage dive?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

No way.

[Turner Sparks]

Yes.

[Phil Duckett]

I've always wanted to do that.

[Turner Sparks]

We're going to Fish.

[Phil Duckett]

I've always wanted to.

[Turner Sparks]

We're going to Fishbone.

[Phil Duckett]

But I always. I've always been afraid. I jump and turn and they just clear out. That's like my biggest fear.

[Turner Sparks]

Well, I've staged. I have a bunch.

[Phil Duckett]

Really.

[Turner Sparks]

The only issue is they got to be. It has to be a big enough crowd. A lot of these are going to be like. To go see. What do they call. What was the one? I was just looking up the. You know, Fat God or whatever. That's going to be like 12 people in a bar watching this show. You want it? Fishbone is going to be probably like 500 people.

[Phil Duckett]

That's where I need. Because I want to jump in and.

[Turner Sparks]

They may be even more so. We'll jump up.

[Phil Duckett]

I feel like I'm nervous. Like, people like. Like try to grab your nuts and like punch in the dick while you're.

[Turner Sparks]

Honestly. They used to. Yeah. Before me too. Era. And also women would get like. They try to grab boobs and stuff.

[Phil Duckett]

That's crazy.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Nowadays. No, no, no. And not only. No, no, no. If anyone tries that, the crowd like beats them up.

[Phil Duckett]

Really?

[Turner Sparks]

People will see it. And then I'm telling you, this is.

[Phil Duckett]

Like they like rip women's dudes.

[Turner Sparks]

Go look up old videos of like Warped tour in the 90s and you'll see somebody crowd sur and they're in. And then like a woman crowd surf. And then as she's getting passed around, you'll just see like, groping going.

[Phil Duckett]

Passed around is crazy. Yeah, I get it. But it. It all sounds like assault. As they passed her around, they broke.

[Turner Sparks]

Stock 99 that video, that was like that different.

[Phil Duckett]

That was crazy. They didn't have any laws out there, though. I mean, it was.

[Turner Sparks]

Not only did they not have any laws. I was watching. There's a documentary about it and about how, like, just everyone got. Can you say it on YouTube? Everyone got AR'd.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

When they were there.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And I'm watching this. I'm on an airplane, I'm watching the documentary. And then they're interviewing people who are at the show. This documentation, like a year ago. And then guess who pops up. Who was at the show? Jessica Levin.

[Phil Duckett]

She was in the woods.

[Turner Sparks]

This comedian, Jessica Levin, who's hilarious. And she goes, yeah, I was there. I was hanging out hammer. And they're like, yeah, I saw it.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, exactly.

[Turner Sparks]

They're like. They're like, what? What did you think everyone was getting, you know, molested? She goes, no, molested. Me, I could have used. Must be nice. Must be nice to get molested. Warped. Woodstock, nine to nine. I swear to God, I'm on an airplane, I take a picture, I pause it. I tell everyone around me. I'm like, I know this girl. I take a picture of it. I send it to her immediately. And she's like, oh, my God. I didn't even know that was out. I didn't even know you could get it anywhere. I'm like, can watch it on Delta flights.

[Phil Duckett]

That is amazing. Yeah. The crazy part is I can hear that being said. Bunch of.

[Turner Sparks]

I was hanging out in the porta potty the whole time. Nobody came in. I was waiting unlocked, left the door. It was on green the whole time. The porta pot was on green.

[Phil Duckett]

That is so funny.

[Turner Sparks]

Must be nice, ladies. Must be nice lady. Must be. God, that's so woodstock99.

[Phil Duckett]

I think if you know her, it makes it even funnier because it's just, like, so on point.

[Turner Sparks]

It's what she. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Russell]

She could be a guest soon.

[Turner Sparks]

We gotta have.

[Joe Russell]

Gotta have her.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, I did. I actually thought about having her on. I was thinking about, like. Like having her on this week. And. Yeah. Was like. I hope she won't mind me saying this. Yeah. Was like, I don't know. It's gonna be real loud in there with her and Phil and you. She's like, you're the three loudest people I know. All in a room.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Just screaming.

[Phil Duckett]

There's not a lie told. I'm very boisterous.

[Turner Sparks]

We'll get her on. Yeah, she's got to be on soon.

[Phil Duckett]

That's funny.

[Turner Sparks]

Anyway, all right, so I think we're gonna do it. We'll.

[Phil Duckett]

We'll.

[Turner Sparks]

We'll map it out. We got to hit that 250 number first. But once we do it, I think Fishbone's the move. And then we Put it out. We get you staged 251st.

[Phil Duckett]

Then I'm stage diving at Fishbone. I can't wait to get that on camera. That's like a bucket list thing for me. And I was like, I'll never be a rock star, so I don't see any chance I would ever get to do that.

[Turner Sparks]

Dude. I'm like, it's the most fun thing ever.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Joe, have you ever stage dived?

[Joe Russell]

No.

[Turner Sparks]

Really? No.

[Joe Russell]

I'm afraid someone. They won't catch me.

[Turner Sparks]

They all know. They always catch. They always catch.

[Phil Duckett]

Except on tv, because that's all that.

[Turner Sparks]

Except that they never catch.

[Phil Duckett]

They just run and jump. And I'm like, oh, no, they never catch on tv.

[Turner Sparks]

The only TV I remember them catching on is Clueless when the Mighty, Mighty Bostones played at the high school dance. And then the guy stage dive in.

[Phil Duckett]

A high school dance is absurd. That's the time they would move.

[Turner Sparks]

They were 100% move. And there's only like eight people on the dance floor. And they all run over and catch them real quick.

[Phil Duckett]

It's just sweet.

[Turner Sparks]

But a punk show, it's when it's packed, they have no choice but to catch. You're literally jumping into human beings. So either they put their arms up or you just fall on their heads. So they put their arms up. I've never seen someone get dropped and.

[Phil Duckett]

Then they pass you around, they put you down, they pass you back to the stage.

[Turner Sparks]

Like that happens too. Some people get passed back and then you have to stage up again. I've seen people have to do it like four times before they can actually get off.

[Phil Duckett]

Because are they just passing back to the back of the room? Eventually, otherwise.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, it's the back of the room or it's. They just. You just kind of like. They'll guide you down. People are nice, though. Yeah, people are nice about it.

[Phil Duckett]

Gosh. As well. Now that has kind of changed my excitement about this.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm like, you're gonna stage.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm definitely gonna stage that in some Doc Martens.

[Turner Sparks]

Just you. We gotta get.

[Phil Duckett]

You kick somebody right in the forehead.

[Turner Sparks]

Doc Martens.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Oh, all right. I'm hyped now. I'm hyped now. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

This is way better than what's going to happen to me. We just said that for the next. We talked about it on our Patreon show last week. And if you want to go to patreon.com blackand white advice put in money to get us to 250. But also you get our bonus show Every week.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Right. When these mics turn off here, all of our Patreon listeners stick around and they get to listen to an extra 15, 20 minutes, whatever it is, of us hanging out, coming up with ideas. And we were talking over there last episode about how what I'm gonna do at 500. 500 is going to be the next one. We get to Turner and the.

[Phil Duckett]

Going to be a rapper. We're.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm going to be a rapper. Well, it's better. The first idea you came up with was having me get jumped into a street.

[Phil Duckett]

I wanted you to get jumped in.

[Turner Sparks]

By the Bloods, which apparently is. Is possible.

[Phil Duckett]

It is, but then you'll be an active member and you might have to.

[Turner Sparks]

That's. No, I think getting punched in the.

[Phil Duckett]

Face, you might have to put in some work after you get your flag.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, so we're not doing that.

[Phil Duckett]

All right, so a little. We're going to go to the studio, record a song, and then we're gonna shoot a music video for that song.

[Turner Sparks]

And we're gonna put it out on Patreon.

[Phil Duckett]

And it's gonna be on Patreon.

[Turner Sparks]

A rap song?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

They call me Sweet the center like, Ah, stop it. Super Bowl Shuffle.

[Joe Russell]

You know what?

[Phil Duckett]

I'm about to just turn into Drake. I'm a ghostwrite for you. I'm gonna ghost write some.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, that would be great.

[Phil Duckett]

Because I'm like. Because if you come out with a doo doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo doo doo. I'm like, that ain't it.

[Turner Sparks]

Remember in what's the NWA Movie?

[Phil Duckett]

Straight out of Compton.

[Turner Sparks]

Straight out of Compton, when Easy E's trying to rap and he keeps messing up and it takes him, like, all day to get one verse out.

[Phil Duckett]

And if it was that hard for him, imagine what it's gonna be like.

[Turner Sparks]

That's what it's gonna be for me.

[Phil Duckett]

My name is Turner, and I'm here to spark.

[Turner Sparks]

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All right, we're back with your black and white advice, questions and answers. The first question comes from James in Memphis. James says, first time, long time. You gotta love that when people start doing that, right?

[Phil Duckett]

First time, long time.

[Turner Sparks]

You ever hear that on like sports radio? They go, oh, first time listener, long time caller.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

No, first time caller, long time listener.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And then they just start saying, first time, first time, long time, first. It means the same thing. It's just without saying the first time caller. First time, long time, first time writer, longtime listener. James of Memphis says, it just hit me that when I think of yoga, I think almost exclusively of white women and not at all of India, where it was place that it originated.

[Phil Duckett]

Correct.

[Turner Sparks]

He says, is this white people's most successful cultural appropriation? And he says, what? Have a two part question. What have black people appropriated from white people?

[Phil Duckett]

Well, you had me there in the first half. Thought you were a fairly.

[Turner Sparks]

Well, let's tackle the first half first. This is a great question. I love this question. So is that white people's most successful cultural appropriation, yoga? I think it is. Because I honestly also don't think of India when I think of yoga at all ever.

[Phil Duckett]

Right. Meanwhile, they're doing Bikram, which is so Indian, it's 120 degrees in that room and it's all rich white moms. So you're right. No, you don't even think about India anymore. And that's. And that's true. Yeah, they completely took that 100, took it over. They took that. But it started, it got big in la, in Beverly Hills. Like the Indian guy who started, you saw that documentary.

[Turner Sparks]

It was. Didn't he end up like the Bikram guy? He got me, dude.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, he got me. But he was huge in LA and he was like working in Beverly Hills and that's why you saw such an influx there. And then it spread to the smaller parts of the world. But it started in LA west coast because he took it there from India.

[Turner Sparks]

There was a yoga class. Yoga. When I was In China, still two, 10 years ago, yoga was just getting there. And the gym I went to offered yoga classes at like 8am and they moved over Indian guys, they literally paid guys from India to come over. They gave him an apartment. And they're like, all you have to do is three days a week. You got to teach yoga to these like Chinese women. Right? And these guys, I got to know them because they, we all hung out at the same bar. They knew nothing of yoga.

[Phil Duckett]

They were just from India.

[Turner Sparks]

They were literally just from India. And they'd be like, this is the best life.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

He's like, I don't have to do. All I have to do is three. And we would be, we drink till like 3am and they'd have to be up at 8 teaching yoga and they'd be like, oh, I smell like booze. Like no one cares as long as I'm Indian.

[Phil Duckett]

Just go stretch. That's all he was doing. He didn't even know the fucking downward dog is like just stretching. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

There's a go after for a little while. But that those days are gone, man. It's all, it's all white people and.

[Phil Duckett]

They'Re certified and they're deep into it.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Now they go to Bali for like yoga excursions or yoga retreats, vacations.

[Turner Sparks]

You pay like three grand to go to yoga just in another state on.

[Phil Duckett]

The beach and then drink wine the rest of the day and you hang.

[Turner Sparks]

Out with all the yoga people.

[Phil Duckett]

And I, let's be honest, there's some just real smoke shows out there because let me say that's a, that's a rich leisure activity. Poor people don't have time to go to Bali to do yoga. So you are wealthy and you normally are fine and you just, yeah, you're.

[Turner Sparks]

I will say this though, usually a little boring. The type of people who just spend most of their time doing yoga. I mean, you're right, incredibly attractive. I don't know if I want to spend vacation time with them outside of the Attractiveness. Just in terms of the conversation.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

You know what I mean?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. I think they're there. They know what they're doing. They're there to get fucked up. It's like a girls trip. So to us it would be boring, but for them, it's like the time of their life.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, okay. All right.

[Phil Duckett]

I wouldn't go, but that's my point. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't think I would want to hang out with yoga people, but I'd.

[Phil Duckett]

Go on like a. Like if they had like a three on three basketball retreat, me and home.

[Turner Sparks]

I might do that.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, we hoop for the week in Bali.

[Turner Sparks]

Come on, you remember. Hoop it Up. Did you guys have Hoopa dub?

[Phil Duckett]

What's that?

[Turner Sparks]

The Hoop it up, the 3 on 3 tournament for kids. It was sponsored by. I wasn't. ESPN, maybe Inside Stuff magazine or something. And it was the Hoop it Up tournament. They. It would come to Sacramento every year. And then if you won your city, you could get to go play against others.

[Phil Duckett]

Are you sure that won the N1 mixtape tour before that?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, maybe you were. Maybe you're too young for it.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, maybe.

[Turner Sparks]

Anyway, three on three. So anyway. Yes. I think. I think yoga is our number one cultural appropriation. Successful. Number two, I would put rock and roll music.

[Phil Duckett]

Because y'all know who y'all took that from.

[Turner Sparks]

But it's not number one. Because you can. Yeah, because you took it from black people. But you could still think of like Jimi Hendrix is still people. A lot of people would think of him. So he's black. Right. Yoga. I don't think of a single Indian I can't name. I guess Bikram.

[Phil Duckett]

Right outside of him. No, no, no, no.

[Turner Sparks]

It's all in shape. White ladies.

[Phil Duckett]

Exactly. And what have black people appropriated? Is what he wanted to know the next part of this question.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, and the one last thing is yoga pants.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh. Specifically, Changer. Do you want to talk about changing the lives of many?

[Joe Russell]

We live in a special time, guys.

[Phil Duckett]

We do. I'm telling you, these women would have been stoned to death 50 years ago and now. I mean, honestly. God. And the thing is, it's like, what's it called? Fabletics or felt. Where you can. They wear. They're wearing workout clothes as regular outfits.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, just.

[Phil Duckett]

And I'm not going to lie, I don't hate it. I'm. I've never hated it.

[Turner Sparks]

Do you remember the first time you saw. I know where I was.

[Phil Duckett]

I thought she was a porn star.

[Turner Sparks]

I did. I was like, that woman doesn't Have. She doesn't have a dress on.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Skirt. Because there was an era when women would wear yoga pants, but underneath a skirt.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And then one day, the skirt just disappeared.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And all of a sudden, it's just. You watch your leggings.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, leggings. And just.

[Turner Sparks]

But on an airplane.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Like, just in public. I mean, like, that's a wild movie.

[Phil Duckett]

Some of them, they're just like, wow.

[Turner Sparks]

Well, and then we just went for Christmas. We just went to the Cayman Islands. We're flying down there, and. Yeah. It was like, I'm the only person on this flight without. It was all the entirety of Long island dumped onto our airplane. I felt so bad for the Caymans because it was just Long island dumping into the. Like, screaming at each other, dumping in. But all the women wearing yoga. She was the only person without yoga pants on. The whole thing.

[Phil Duckett]

Just class, class, class.

[Turner Sparks]

Good job, India.

[Phil Duckett]

Good job.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't know if they did the yoga pants.

[Phil Duckett]

I don't know if they had anything to do with the pants.

[Joe Russell]

They're probably making them. Probably.

[Phil Duckett]

I was going to go with China, but maybe in India as well.

[Turner Sparks]

It could be. All right, so then what if black people appropriate from white.

[Phil Duckett]

Well, hold on. Before we get that.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Do you know where Lululemon came from?

[Turner Sparks]

I heard it was a Japanese.

[Phil Duckett]

Japanese. It was an Asian guy. Was it? As you're going to fact check this because it's a little rusty. I want to say he was Japanese or he was Chinese. I can't remember, but he did. Lululemon. The name. He named it that because Asians have trouble with L. And so he named it Lululemon because he didn't want Asians wearing it originally.

[Turner Sparks]

No.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. I want to say maybe he was in. Maybe it's a Chinese guy from Canada, maybe somewhere.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, it was like Fubancouver or something.

[Phil Duckett]

What?

[Joe Russell]

I'm going to look it up.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, look it up.

[Turner Sparks]

It was Fubu, but opposite.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, but.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, for you or me.

[Phil Duckett]

But he did. He never had any intention of it being worn by Asians. And so. So he made it Lululemon because he said they had trouble with the. With the pronoun and he was Asian. Yeah, something like that. And I think. And I was like, ruru R. Yeah, that'll do it.

[Turner Sparks]

What a son of a.

[Phil Duckett]

But, yeah, but I'm just telling you. And we're gonna have to look it up. But I know, because I've looked it up before, and I was like, oh.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow, what a racist.

[Phil Duckett]

It was racist. It was racist. As when he came up with it.

[Turner Sparks]

He didn't want to see people wearing it. I got news for him. That must have been a long time ago, because Asians are like, have status now.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

You know what I mean?

[Phil Duckett]

And when I say that, I think it came out maybe early 90s before Crazy Rich Asians.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

I think it was like 92. But it was. Yeah. And we'll fact checked it, but I've read it before, and I was just like, this is pretty crazy.

[Turner Sparks]

A buddy of mine's a Chinese American guy and his. His wife is white. And they came to see my show the other day, and I talk a lot about Chinese wife, white guy, you know? So we're hanging out after at the bar, and he was like, oh, I got with. They were. They were both like. We got to tell you the stereotypes that are the opposite. When it's like an Asian man and a white woman, I'm like, yeah, hit me. He goes. Every time we go into, like a designer store, they just assume I'm rich because why else would she be with me if I wasn't rich?

[Phil Duckett]

Right?

[Turner Sparks]

So he's like three. Like, anyone who's helping any other customer, they all drop the other customer. And they just come over to me and they go, oh, what can we. What can we do? Do for you? You want some water? Do you want, like, what do you need? Come in.

[Phil Duckett]

Amazing.

[Turner Sparks]

Isn't that crazy?

[Phil Duckett]

I always have to buzz like twice when I go in the designer store because they normally don't let me in the first time. I'm like, no, I'm fine.

[Turner Sparks]

You got a white girl, too?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Yeah. I normally let her lead so they don't feel so threatened. So. But it's different, you know, it's definitely stereotyp. Especially those designer stores are like jewelry stores sometimes, like. Like where they sell diamonds. Yeah, I'll have to buzz a couple. I'm saying they'll look me up.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm like, some of them, don't they. You have to have an appointment or something?

[Phil Duckett]

Some of them do, yeah. It's always a weird thing, but what black people have stolen, that's what I want to know.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, I got one good credit, I guess so. I got it. I got one, though.

[Phil Duckett]

What?

[Turner Sparks]

It's going to infuriate you.

[Phil Duckett]

Please.

[Turner Sparks]

Basketball. Dr. James Naismith in a peach basket invented the sport of basketball. And for the longest time, it was just us.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, I know.

[Turner Sparks]

It was accountants.

[Phil Duckett]

I know.

[Turner Sparks]

And lawyers.

[Phil Duckett]

He created it at the University of Kansas in his pe Class, it was.

[Turner Sparks]

A bunch of jump stops, set shots. It looked like women's basketball. It was pre Caitlin Claire.

[Phil Duckett]

And what they don't tell you is we didn't take shit from y'all. The NBA was actually about to go under until they started letting Negro things. Nobody went watching that shit.

[Turner Sparks]

Is that true? What about the aba? Aba, I felt like was the more. Because that. That was more like the Philadelphia 76ers. Dr. J.

[Phil Duckett]

Which is when the merge. It helped save the NBA. Because that's what the merge did. It helped save.

[Turner Sparks]

Who was Chocolate Thunder? Daryl Dawkins.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm not sure. Chocolate.

[Turner Sparks]

You know what I mean?

[Phil Duckett]

I've heard that was his name. I don't know if that was his name.

[Turner Sparks]

And Dr. Dunk. No. Dr. Dunk might have been Daryl Dawkins.

[Phil Duckett]

I don't follow the aba.

[Turner Sparks]

Also, you're not an ABA guy.

[Phil Duckett]

No, no, that was a little before me.

[Turner Sparks]

I think Clyde Fraser might have been.

[Phil Duckett]

They all were. Dr. J was in the ABA. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Philadelphia Jelly bean Brian, Kobe's dad.

[Phil Duckett]

Kobe's dad before he went overseas. Yeah, yeah. And that's. But you know, I don't take away from the grace because I'm an avid basketball fan. So even when you watch like old school, like there were white players who were like Jerry west people. He was nasty for that time. Like see.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Because. But forget all that. Pistol Pete is still one of the coldest point guards to ever do it.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

And he was playing against black people. So we ain't going to do that. You know what I mean? But you're right, we did take it and revamp it. We revamped it for you. You know what I mean?

[Turner Sparks]

Basketball 2.0.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. And a little razzle dazzle.

[Turner Sparks]

That's the number one thing I could think of.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, that's actually really good. And yeah, it is infuriating, but it's the truth. We did take that.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, should we go? Next question.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

We got Spencer in Eugene, Oregon. He says during the early 2000s piety renaissance in America, there was a six month period where every church, parent teacher conference for my kids and Little League baseball game I attended did a in quotes land acknowledgment. Then around 2022, it all went away.

[Phil Duckett]

I just like to go on the record. I don't know what the fuck he's asking.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay, my question. I'll finish the question and I'll explain. He goes, my question is, did land acknowledgments ever happen in black communities or was that exclusively A white thing. Okay. Land acknowledgments. Joe, do you know what this is?

[Joe Russell]

Landing, I think like before, like a sports game. Someone goes. Just so y'all know. Yes, there used to be. The Hawktua tribe. Used to be here. And now we built this stadium.

[Phil Duckett]

The Hawktua tribe.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, we're all on the. We're all on the ancestral tribal land of the Hoktua community, the natives. And we need to do a prayer for them before we do this, you know, strip show or whatever.

[Phil Duckett]

White people just feeling bad for all that history.

[Turner Sparks]

So there was. I remember this. There was like a six months, maybe a year. Wherever I went, they would do the same thing. They go, welcome to my church. Used to do it in Brooklyn Heights. Welcome to the first church of Brooklyn Heights. And on the ancestral land of the like Arapaho natives. I don't even remember who they were.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, I want to do everything but give us reparations.

[Turner Sparks]

And then, and then they would. And then you had to acknowledge, yes, we're bad people. We shouldn't have done this.

[Phil Duckett]

Are you serious?

[Turner Sparks]

We don't do anything about it. No one's donating this.

[Phil Duckett]

Right?

[Turner Sparks]

Money changing.

[Phil Duckett]

Just say you're a piece of shit so we can get done with this.

[Turner Sparks]

And then we move on with our day. And my buddy was telling me his parents went to Syracuse University and they. But they're like boomers. They're like in their 70s. And he was like, oh, dude, all hell broke loose last weekend at this. It was like the 60th anniversary of graduation or 55th or something, you know.

[Phil Duckett]

And they were mad. They weren't the orange men anymore.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, that was already infuriating. Right? And then they're sitting there and then there's like 150, 70 year olds and they go, before we start, we want to say we're on the ancestral land of the blah, blah, blah tribe. And everybody's what, where are we? Are we in the wrong place? Where is this? What's going on? And they're trying to figure out. And people started like there was a.

[Phil Duckett]

You know, I thought this was the Carrier Dome.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, they don't. They're already confused. These are elderly people. They don't know where they are. So did this happen? Did you. Did this happen at any.

[Phil Duckett]

They don't make us apologize. We was the ones getting up.

[Turner Sparks]

So. No, this is the question.

[Phil Duckett]

This is the old slave quarters.

[Turner Sparks]

No, no, they slave quarters are on the ancestral land. Right. Going to apologize.

[Phil Duckett]

Right. They're like, they never make us go, that's a good point. Do that. Because they're like, no, they had it pretty up. I think maybe. Maybe we should not bring that up. But no, it didn't last long, though.

[Turner Sparks]

Because ultimately it didn't do anything.

[Phil Duckett]

I don't know, like, when you say that. No, nobody ever makes you stop and just acknowledge. But, like, there's certain places that are like black burial lands that people believe are home. Like in Georgia. Lake Lanier.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

It's a known fact. Like, people. I mean, they have, like, four or five drownings a year. One of Usher's kids died in Lake Lanier. Every time I'm in Georgia, I'll go swimming like Lanier. But Lake Lanier was built over an old black slave town, and then they dammed it up and flooded it and made the lake. And so they never. They say, you go down there now, there's still cars and things like that. So they're like, those are all those spirits. People genuinely believe it's spirits pulling in lake.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't mean. This is very different. I don't mean to laugh.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm like, that's the only serious. That's the only thing I know. Like, this is once the land of. I'm like, the only one I know of is Lake Lanier.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't think we're trying to, like, pray away the bad spirits.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, well, then, no, we don't acknowledge.

[Turner Sparks]

It's more apologizing. We're it. It's. When I say we, I mean, like.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, white people need to apologize because they have a lot to atone for. They normally don't make us apologize.

[Turner Sparks]

That's a great point.

[Phil Duckett]

Since we were kidnapped and brought here.

[Turner Sparks]

Have you. So in Australia, they still do this. That's a good point. I never thought of. That's the. Okay, that exact reason is why this show is so good, I think.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Because that's honestly an answer. I never. It's the most obvious answer. That's right in front of your face.

[Phil Duckett]

Right. Do you guys ever apologize?

[Turner Sparks]

Apologize for stealing people's land? Like, we didn't. Stealing.

[Phil Duckett]

We were the stolen people. What are you talking about?

[Turner Sparks]

In Australia, it's big. They still do it. This apologizing. I went to comedy shows.

[Phil Duckett]

It's because they treat the aborigines like dog to this day.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. But also. I agree. But then they're not doing anything about. There's no money. They're not like. So 10% of this comedy shows. Every comedy show still at the festival, they do the Melbourne Comedy Festival. They go, we Want to open by apologizing to the. The. The land of the people who, you know, toiled the fields and worked in the. Blah, blah, blah, blah. The whatever Aboriginal tribe. So a moment of silence for them. They do a moment of silence. They go, and now on with the show. And then the guy comes out and he goes, so I was jerking off on a chick.

[Phil Duckett]

Well, that's.

[Turner Sparks]

But, you know, honor the tribe or whatever.

[Phil Duckett]

Of course, I've never been to Australia, but they say it's fucking, like, the Aboriginal treatment. They're like, that's horrible. No, like, I asked Australian chick one night after the show, we were talking and we had some drinks at the bar, and I brought it up. I was like, if you brought an Aboriginal man home right now, she's, oh, my dad would fucking kill me.

[Turner Sparks]

She was like, still?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. They were like, you don't do that.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

I said, you don't do that. She's. That's just something you wouldn't do. I said, because they're dirty to y'all, ain't they? In the outback in it. Yeah, they don't like that shit. You think the south is bad? I bet you. I bet you it's fucking crazy down there.

[Turner Sparks]

I think it probably is.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Joe Russell]

There's a difference between a guy from the black, guy from the south, and, like, a bushman that you bring home.

[Turner Sparks]

No, they stole their land, too, though.

[Phil Duckett]

They pushed them into the bush.

[Turner Sparks]

I mean, they. Well, although stole the land, I will say that the white people went to Australia unwillingly. They were prisoners who got sent there.

[Phil Duckett]

Right.

[Turner Sparks]

And then when they got out of prison, they were halfway around the world. It wasn't like, you get out of prison and we're getting you a charter flight back home to England. It was like, all right, you live here now, right? And there's no flights. And.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, and also we have the seven deadliest creatures in the world also right here on this island. Would you. Back then was probably 11 and entire.

[Turner Sparks]

Tribes of Aboriginals who you're going to have to go fight, and they're going to skin you. Yeah. They can't kill you.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. No, it makes sense somehow. They made it out pretty good. And they.

[Turner Sparks]

They did all right. Patty Mills is doing okay. The NBA player.

[Phil Duckett]

You know. Gonzaga.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. No, no, no. St. Mary.

[Phil Duckett]

St. Mary. That's right. That's right.

[Joe Russell]

So it sounds like if you're Australian, dating an Aborigine. Guy is a real didgerido.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, boy. Joe the Muscle Russell.

[Joe Russell]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Turner Sparks]

Behind the glass ones and twos all right. That's a Patreon subscriber. Fun Kilo. Hey, what's up, Fun Kilo in Phoenix, Arizona. He says racism has a lot of misconceptions. What misconception do you wish people had about you?

[Phil Duckett]

He said, for example, do I wish they had about me?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. He says, for example, I wish people thought I knew kung fu so they wouldn't mess with me. Because, like, people think Asians know kung fu. He's saying it would be. He's a white guy. He's saying, it would be good for me if people thought I knew kung fu so they wouldn't mess with me.

[Phil Duckett]

I wish people thought I was packing a niner.

[Turner Sparks]

That's the best way I've ever heard. The best phrasing of that sentence I've ever heard.

[Joe Russell]

I think people do think you're packing a niner.

[Turner Sparks]

I think that's not a misconception.

[Phil Duckett]

They assume it, but some don't. Some like. I don't know about that one. I don't know. At least girls told me. They're like, can you. I mean, I think girls have asked me that. They're like, phil, can you? I'm like, why? They were like, you just seem so goofy. I'm like, what the fuck type of shit is that?

[Turner Sparks]

It's the curse of being funny.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. I'm like, what is it? They're like, I just don't feel like you would take anything serious. I'm like, well, let me get up in that thing and you tell me.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm so sick of this. Women who like the strong, silent type, Right? The guy's boring. He has nothing to say. There's nothing going on up here.

[Phil Duckett]

And I am goofy, and I do have a good time, but. But trust me, the penis works. All right.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Being able to make a room full of people laugh.

[Phil Duckett]

Laugh you right out of that. Victoria's Secret, come fucking with me.

[Turner Sparks]

They're not mutually exclusive.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Doesn't mean.

[Phil Duckett]

But I've had that question.

[Turner Sparks]

You're not packing a niner.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Packing a tour. I'm gonna go with the same. I mean, like, I. It's. I know. I'm. I'm more on the funkilo side. I wish people were even just slightly scared of me. That would be. I don't intimidate anyone. You know, I think being intimidating. I'm not saying, like, I. People cross the street when they see me, you know, I'm not. But any type of. Just respect, a modicum of respect.

[Phil Duckett]

I would just say just a pinch.

[Turner Sparks]

Would be helpful, I think.

[Phil Duckett]

You know, I think people think I'm intimidating until they talk to me. Like people when they say. Cause I don't. Like, well, I didn't realize. I guess I have like, resting bitch face. Most of them. Like, if I'm not like, if I'm just in thought, my face is like my dad. Like my dad. You always thought my dad was pissed off, he'd be perfectly fine, but he would just hold his face. And I didn't realize this when. Till my boys were like, what's good? What's you good? I'm like, yeah. They're like, oh, you look pissed the fuck off. I'm like, do I?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So I'm just thinking, but a lot of people are like, if you don't know you and you don't know how goofy you are, like, just looking at you. I said, well, I am six two and black as hell, so I can see that a little. But yeah. And if I'm not talking or joking around, I normally do keep to my. Like, if I go to a new establishment and I don't know anybody.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm not that type of comedian. Like, some people, most people, they're like, you don't seem like. I mean, I was like, because I'm not standing on the table.

[Turner Sparks]

Because you're not on all the time. Right.

[Phil Duckett]

And I hate that. But. But like, especially a lot of. They expect that from a comedian. So with me, if I don't know you, if I'm not in a comedy setting, I'm literally just chilling, like. And people like, you just don't seem very comedy. Like, I'm like, cool.

[Turner Sparks]

I get that too.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. I'm like, that's cool. You trust me, you don't want me to seem comedy. Like, because those people suck. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

You want me to be tap dancing all the time.

[Phil Duckett]

So what's the deal with espn?

[Turner Sparks]

No, hey, this is wacky. What are your terms? Why is it spelled with an H?

[Phil Duckett]

I hate those people. Yeah, just be a normal.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. And people will always tell me after a show, they go, who have they. If they've known me from some other aspect of my life, they're like, wow, I didn't know he was going to be. You're going to be so funny and animated. I'm like, yeah, because that's on stage.

[Phil Duckett]

That's my job.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. That's what I do for a living.

[Phil Duckett]

That's what I do. No, I get that's how I am.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, next question. Kim in Charleston, South Carolina.

[Phil Duckett]

She what up, home girl? From the. From the home state.

[Turner Sparks]

Charleston. Yeah. Kim says I'm black and my kids are in junior high and go to a school with a lot of white kids to prepare for this world my kids are now in. I need to know, at what age do white parents let their kids cuss in front of them? What age?

[Phil Duckett]

You got to answer that.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Okay. So my. I still don't cuss in front of my parents, which is just.

[Phil Duckett]

I respect that so much because y'all don't get spanking. So the fact that you don't cut. Y'all did.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Oh, Turner. But. But my mom denies it to this day. She'll. She has no memory of it, really. But I've talked to my brother about it. He's like, have you realized that mom had, like, has amnesia about the fact that you suspect us when we were kids? I'm like, yeah, it's so weird. But she'll say. She's like, did you know these other people spanked their kids? Oh, my gosh. We're like, you did it.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And she's like, I did not. But I also remember when I got faster than her, and I could run away from it because we had, like, our. My brother and my bedrooms were here, and then we had a connecting bathroom, but then there was the front. Right. To go out to the rest of the house. So there was a circle. So once, like, you got to, like, 10 or 12, and you could run faster than her around that circle. You could just run her out. You could wind her.

[Joe Russell]

Wow.

[Turner Sparks]

And then when she wouldn't catch up.

[Phil Duckett]

That is why I've never even heard of that from our side. Because, you know, I got beat, not spanked. We got beat.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. We didn't get beat.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, we got beat. Dog walked, if you will.

[Turner Sparks]

What's up, Drew?

[Phil Duckett]

Hey, let me tell you something, bro. Like, them ass whoopings used to be so. I mean, they would beat you so good. And they make you go sit in the bathtub and. And. But I'm telling you, you want to talk about good sleep? I don't know. I don't know if I've ever had a really. It's. You're worn out. You're exhaust. You just took a lot.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, but don't you have, like, cuts all over your body?

[Phil Duckett]

Welts and stuff you sit in the.

[Turner Sparks]

Ground stuff you still sleep with that you. The way you hurt to move?

[Phil Duckett]

No, that's what I'm saying. You've cried. And first of all, you sat in that bathtub Shut up before I come in and give you something to cry about. You're like, oh, and for my sister, see, that's the thing. I. I hated getting spanked. My sister was a gangster, so she would take the spankings over getting grounded because they'd give her like, either you want to get your ass beat or you're not going out any week. And she's like, I'll meet you in the room.

[Turner Sparks]

So she could still hang out.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. She's like, well, my. She said, phil, it lasts for like, three, five minutes. She said, then you're done. I said, keegan.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, but it hurts.

[Phil Duckett]

He beat the shit out of me today.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Then she was like. She was like, well, you're a pussy. But I remember, bro, not.

[Turner Sparks]

Was she older?

[Phil Duckett]

Younger? My sister was a thug. I remember one time I tried to be noble, and I was like, I'm gonna be the cookie, brother. I was like, I'm gonna take her ass whooping for us, man. My daddy beat the shit out of me. I looked at her, I said, don't ever fucking talk to me again.

[Turner Sparks]

Wait, your parents went through with it?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

They were like, yeah, you can take.

[Phil Duckett]

They were like, that was a solid move on your part. They were like, all right. Hands on the bed. I was like, what?

[Turner Sparks]

You're like, this is an empty gesture.

[Phil Duckett]

It was. It really was. They were like, all right. He's like saying, as long as I get my pound of flesh.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm telling you, this shit used to be so crazy. But I tell you, when you say you get quick enough at a certain age where you can run. Yeah, well, we all hit that puberty.

[Turner Sparks]

But my dad wasn't a college basketball coach.

[Phil Duckett]

Right. Right. But the thing is, God rest my father. So I. We used to prefer my dad to whoop my ass over my mom and give him my dad. My dad was organized with ass whoopings.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay?

[Phil Duckett]

He would tell me beforehand. He was like, all right. He. What's the offense? My mom would tell him, he's all right. You getting six lashes or six licks?

[Turner Sparks]

Singapore.

[Phil Duckett]

Six licks. He was like. He was like. He was like. He was like, hold on. He said, hold on to the bed. Look at the wall. Don't look at me. He said, every time you look back at me, I'm at another lick. So I'd be like, all right. So I would just muster up and just, you know, I was like, denzel and Glory. That one scene. But I remember that. And I was just like, just be A gangster, bro. Don't be no bitch. And I was like. Because if you don't add more. So I would just do it. My mom was ridiculous. So she. What she was doing, she would just hit, and then she'd bring out a Bible verse. Psalms, if she called Psalms. You're like, oh, I'm getting beat for 15 minutes. That's the longest verse.

[Turner Sparks]

And she wouldn't. So.

[Phil Duckett]

Because every word was a hit.

[Turner Sparks]

Do you know what the difference was? Is that she was the one.

[Phil Duckett]

He.

[Turner Sparks]

Your dad was just administering it.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

He wasn't there when it happened.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. So he was like, what happened?

[Turner Sparks]

There was no emotional attachment.

[Phil Duckett]

My mom had been dealing with it all day. But I remember one time, and I know this has gone on way too long, but I have to.

[Turner Sparks]

No, no, no. Go ahead.

[Phil Duckett]

One time. Girl, you hit that age where you start feeling yourself, you know, you got a little hair under your arms. You put on deodorant now.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm a fucking man.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

The difference is in the black community, and this is not just my mom. This is because I've talked to plenty of black people. I was like, you ever been getting an ass whooping and then you catch the belt? Because she'd be hit, and you catch it, and you look. And my boy was like, worst mistake. I said, this the worst mistake you can make. Because now she goes 10 times hard. And not only that, after she beats your ass, she calls everybody. You know, your son tried to hit me today.

[Turner Sparks]

And you're like, what, she calls your dad?

[Phil Duckett]

She calls whoever my grandma. You know, your son bowed up, thought he was grown, tried to hit me. And you're like, hit you? I caught the belt. I figured that got to be like a bonus point or something. Like.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

The agility of this. Yeah. Just caught it. Hand burning, like. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Duckett]

No. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

What is. What is your. If you're getting beat or say your sister's getting beat and you're in the other room, but you're not in trouble.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm in there laughing.

[Turner Sparks]

How does that feel?

[Phil Duckett]

Depending. Depending how bad of an ass woman. There's been a couple times I've gone in and got my. I was like, hey, you need to calm down.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, really?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Yeah. You need. And she's like, you want some of this? I'm like a prison guard if I have to, but I ain't gonna let you beat up on my dog no more. You know what I mean? But my mom, looking back, it's crazy. My mom's like, I think I beat y'all too much growing up. I said, you probably did. They focus a couple times, but, nah, dog, it makes a man out of you.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, should we get back to the question?

[Phil Duckett]

Trauma bonded. Yeah, let's get back to it.

[Turner Sparks]

The question was, what age do parents let their kids. Cousin front of them? So I like, I said, I've never cussed in front of my parents for white people. I've never cussed in front of my parents. But I remember, I want to say, starting when I was, like, 10, you would go over to other kids houses, and depending upon how liberal their parents was. I think I've sort of talked about this before, how liberal their parents was. The earlier they would start, the more liberal, the more early. They would just start cussing out their own parents.

[Phil Duckett]

Because I want you to be able to express yourself.

[Turner Sparks]

It was that, yeah, yeah, yeah, get all your feelings out, get your emotions out. And they would just start. You see a kid scream in their. Like, f. Their parents scream in their face, you know, And I'm like, that. You just couldn't do that.

[Phil Duckett]

Now think about the ass whoopings I just told y'all about when I used to go to those white kids house and hear that.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

My ass cheeks would start sweating. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, they're gonna kill him. They're gonna murder you. And then they were like, oh, Timmy, would you like to make some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? And I'm like, oh, my God.

[Turner Sparks]

There wasn't a lot I. I can think of, like, two or three specific families. Yeah. And guess what? Surprise, surprise. Those kids didn't turn out well.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Rest in peace to my boy. He one of them's dead. But for sure, though. Rich kid. Really, really rich kid. Yeah, I used to do that overdose.

[Joe Russell]

Phil, did your drugs. Did your mom or dad ever hit anybody else's kids, like, in your family, like, cousins and stuff?

[Turner Sparks]

All.

[Phil Duckett]

All the cousins. Any cousins? No. Anybody. And that was a rule. And that was for me, too. If you come to this house, you live by these rules. Same with me if I went. But like. Yeah. So if they came to our house and they messed up while I was, like, with us and we were playing around, everybody. Everybody.

[Joe Russell]

My mom spanked a cousin or two.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. And then we'd go over there and my aunt beat the. Out of me for.

[Joe Russell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

My gr. I remember one time we were playing around because, like, my grandma's house in the country, they had, like, this Heater, this portable. Not like an old school heater, though. They had like real flame, got real hot.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

And they used to sit this pot on top of it and put potpourri in it with water so it heat up and make the house smell good.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Now I remember one day, me and my little cousin were six years apart. So I'm like, probably, yeah. I'm 12, he's six. I'm damn near too old to be playing. But we start playing tag in the house, fucking around because we were bored. And my grandma's like, don't run around that hot pot no more. It'll ruin you. You'll be scarred, burned for your life and mutilated. And so we were like, all right. And then we kept playing and she was like, I'm not gonna tell you again. So she, she raised her voice. But then she pointed the fly swatter at us because that's what we. She said, run again in this house. And I'm whooping everybody in here. And so. Okay, so we didn't run, but then we did one of those quick tags like that, like this. And she saw it. Not only did she get us lined up, she called my sister and. And my other cousin, the girls like the girl cousins. She lined all of us up. She said, now turn around everybody. And just went down the line whooping.

[Turner Sparks]

She beat the girls who had nothing to do with her.

[Phil Duckett]

Beat the whole. Yeah, beat the whole house. Beat the whole house.

[Turner Sparks]

And the six year old boy. Yeah. Hell yeah, you would. I think you could go to jail for that these days. Right?

[Phil Duckett]

These days probably you can go to jail for pretty much any type of discipline these days.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

But, yeah, back then, no, it was.

[Turner Sparks]

I love how your. Because your girl cousins are just like playing whatever video games. And all of a sudden, everybody in here, all of a sudden they get beat. They're like, we don't even know what's going on.

[Phil Duckett]

It was my grandma, so it wasn't like my mom's be like. Because my grandma. Grandma was sweet, but it's still. My grandma never hit me before, so it really, like, made me, like, hurt my feelings emotionally. Yeah. I was like, wow, you really gonna beat me for real? And it was a little light one, but nah, I. That's crazy. Let me ask you something, Turner.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

What age did you start cussing? Not at your parents. What age did you start? You don't really cuss now, though.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't a lot. I kind of grew out of it though. I think junior high, seventh grade is in at least in California when you switch schools.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And you have seventh and eighth grade is its own school.

[Phil Duckett]

Junior high, I've heard of that.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, Junior high. And obviously have elementary school through six. And you have high school like nine through 12. Right. The middle, that seventh, eighth grade, junior high. No one cares about you. The teachers don't care about you. The state doesn't care about you. The, they don't. It's. It's like they're just killing time till you get to high school. And that's when you actually have to study for college and everything, you know. So my parents, I remember being pissed at the school because like the cops were at the school every day. This is like a white neighborhood in suburban Sacramento and kids are getting arrested for drugs every day. Every day really. And every. Because everybody had an older brother who had something who could get him something. It was the biggest school of screw ups you could ever find. And everybody cussed. And at the elementary school in my little neighborhood, like nobody did. But then you went to junior high and they also, they had these kids come from like up the hill. So we lived on the base of this mountain, the Sierra Nevada mountains. But every mile you went up it just got more and more like white trash basically. Yeah. And they would bring them in from 20 miles away.

[Phil Duckett]

Smell like Mountain Dew and Sigs.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, Mountain Dew. Cigs and meth. These seventh graders. And it would. Yeah, they would smoke cigarettes. I remember outside of school, the first time I'd ever seen you would do that in like 12 year olds, you know. And then they would come in like cuss and everything. So if you want to be cool, you had to. Like we thought they were cool. Like we were trying to fit in with the, the trashy kids.

[Phil Duckett]

Right.

[Turner Sparks]

They should have been with us. But it didn't, it didn't work out that way.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Turner Sparks]

I, that was so. I really let loose for a couple of years there.

[Phil Duckett]

I remember.

[Turner Sparks]

What about you?

[Phil Duckett]

By time I started cussing around, probably like fourth grade, I think third or fourth. But I started cussing good around sixth grade.

[Turner Sparks]

Really? You got good at it? Oh, I was bad at it. I was good at grade. I don't even know what I was saying. I was saying stuff that probably didn't even make sense.

[Phil Duckett]

I remember I had a buddy who was bad at cussing. He just like, he's like fucking shit cunt bitch.

[Turner Sparks]

Like what? But when you're bad mad at it, you think you're pretty good.

[Phil Duckett]

I mean, you flowing with it because you're dropping everything. I'm like, that doesn't work, though, you know, I mean. But no, I remember the customer. Yeah, I got good at cussing right around fifth, sixth grade.

[Turner Sparks]

You want. If my advice to kids would be get good fifth, sixth grade so that when you hit seventh, you're. You're running.

[Phil Duckett]

I mean, you cutting people's ass with that tongue.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. You're cussing at the teacher.

[Phil Duckett]

All right, don't listen to turn. You're getting you put out.

[Turner Sparks]

No, there's something to be said for getting detention on purpose early in junior high. So everybody.

[Phil Duckett]

I don't want us to encourage people to get detention. You'll get somebody left behind.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm just trying to help kids out how to be cool. You want to be popular?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm not saying all the time, but you get it once or twice just to let them know.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

It's like first day in prison. What do you say? You have to beat somebody up to.

[Phil Duckett]

Beat the biggest guy's ass or punch them. Right?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Senior year, high school, I had detention every single day.

[Turner Sparks]

Every day.

[Phil Duckett]

Well, it was only. It was one day a week. Detention was on every Friday.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, they didn't offer it seven days.

[Phil Duckett]

A week or five days a week, just Friday. And they kept you till six and.

[Turner Sparks]

You had it every Friday.

[Phil Duckett]

Friday, my senior year. To the point. Yeah, to the point where I didn't have to look. I was on the schedule because I went to a private school, it was a uniform, and I refused to tuck my shirt in. I was like, I'm not doing it.

[Turner Sparks]

And did they. Because at my.

[Phil Duckett]

Every time I'd walk in, like, duck it. Detention.

[Turner Sparks]

And did it compound? Like they would say, they go, ducky, you got detention. You go like, I don't want. That's it. You got two. All right, One more word. You got three. This is an embarrass.

[Phil Duckett]

Bueller's Day off.

[Turner Sparks]

They would do that at my high school. I went to a Catholic school.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, okay.

[Turner Sparks]

And they would also. I knew guys who had detention. It would be like February 1st, and school would end in middle of May, and they had to. We had five day week detention, and they had more dates than days left in school.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Because of that stuff. Did you get. There's another one. There's another one. There's another one.

[Phil Duckett]

Thank God I didn't get that bad, but no, it was miserable. It was a good time.

[Turner Sparks]

All right.

[Phil Duckett]

Damn it. I had so much fun with y'all today talking about my traumatic childhood, but it really. I don't even think it was traumatic. Like white people. When I tell this that y'all's jaw drops.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Anytime I tell a black person that, they're like, dog, let me tell you how my mama beat me with this extension. I'm like, word.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, well, but they. We are gonna. We can continue it on the Patreon. We got more Patreon stuff for all of our Patreon subscribers. If you're not subscribed and you want to hear the end of this conversation, go to patreon.com blackandwhiteadvice right now and you'll get the end of this episode. Last thing we got to do before we get to that. Joe. White lies and Dark truths, our fact check segment. What do we get right? What do we get wrong today?

[Phil Duckett]

Talk to me, Joe.

[Joe Russell]

All right, folks. The first pair of yoga pants Lululemon, sold in 1998, were a simple item for women to wear at the studio. In 2014, teenagers began to prefer leggings over jeans.

[Turner Sparks]

2014.

[Joe Russell]

Yeah. Then people started wearing athletic clothing to run errands, and now people are just wearing them in the office.

[Phil Duckett]

Yes, but what about the owner? Did we. Did we find out about the Lulu?

[Joe Russell]

Oh, let me find that out, because.

[Phil Duckett]

I didn't make that up.

[Turner Sparks]

I read that he was a Japanese guy.

[Phil Duckett]

He was an Asian.

[Turner Sparks]

Asian in Canada.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. And the reason it was to deter Asians from buying Lulan.

[Joe Russell]

And while I look that up, I'll tell you one more fact. Despite opposition from medical and social service professionals, as of 2024, the spanking of children is legal in all 50 states.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow. It's legal.

[Phil Duckett]

America ain't lost yet.

[Turner Sparks]

We're back, baby.

[Joe Russell]

Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Phil was right about Lululemon.

[Phil Duckett]

Told you.

[Joe Russell]

The Lou Lemon's founder, Chip Wilson, chose the name to make it sound western to Japanese buyers and make it difficult for them to pronounce.

[Turner Sparks]

What an asshole.

[Phil Duckett]

Remember?

[Turner Sparks]

Wait, but also, the only part is, his name's Chip Wilson. So he was.

[Phil Duckett]

It might have been white dude then.

[Turner Sparks]

What a.

[Joe Russell]

Was he in the Beach Boys?

[Phil Duckett]

I had the fact that he was an Asian man trying to deter his own, but I knew it was a racist thing behind it for sure.

[Turner Sparks]

Jesus. What an asshole. I do like that. He was. Was he the bass player? He was Brian Wilson's brother. He was one of the Wilson brothers in the Beach Boys. Wow. What a piece of shit.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, I'm so glad I've never worn Lulu.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Turner Sparks]

All right. That. Wait, what? Oh, yeah. So we got to it. That's it everybody. That's the show for all you Patreon subscribers. Stick around. Everybody else, if you're not on board, get on board. Patreon.com Black and white advice Stay black. You've got a question but you're scared to ask Just drop the boys a message cause they're up to the task they're rolling the dice they ain't always.

[Phil Duckett]

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[Turner Sparks]

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