LeClerc Andre & "Did Black People Really Believe OJ?"

Summary

Podcast Summary: Black and White Advice
Episode Title: LeClerc Andre & "Did Black People Really Believe OJ?"
Release Date: March 11, 2025
Hosts: Turner Sparks and Phil Duckett
Guest: LeClerc Andre
Additional Contributor: Joe the Muscle Russell

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Introduction

In this episode of Black and White Advice, hosts Turner Sparks and Phil Duckett delve into complex discussions surrounding race, culture, and societal perceptions, featuring guest LeClerc Andre and contributor Joe the Muscle Russell. The episode tackles diverse topics ranging from gun ownership disparities to the infamous O.J. Simpson trial and its impact on Black communities.

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Gun Ownership: Cultural Perspectives

Timestamp: [34:00] – [38:34]

The conversation begins with a question from Morton in Denmark, asking, "Who likes guns more, white people or black people?" The hosts and guest engage in a humorous yet insightful dialogue about the cultural differences in gun ownership between Black and white communities.

• Phil Duckett highlights the disparity:

  "White people love guns. White people collect guns."
  [34:27]

• Turner Sparks adds to the narrative with an anecdote:

  "I know white people who will tell you, like in the middle of a story, they're like, yeah, so, you know, I had to check my gun."
  [36:17]

• LeClerc Andre humorously remarks on the disposal of guns in the Black community:

  "No, we throw them in bushes."
  [34:35]

The discussion underscores the differing relationships with firearms—where white gun ownership is often seen as a hobby or status symbol, Black gun ownership is portrayed as a necessity tied to personal safety.

Notable Quote:

"Black people can't report we own them because they're all gonna ask us. We're felons, we can't have guns. So they're like, no, no, I ain't got no weapons."
– LeClerc Andre [34:56]

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The O.J. Simpson Trial and Its Aftermath

Timestamp: [38:52] – [45:43]

A poignant segment revolves around Lawrence from Seattle's question: "Did black people really think OJ was innocent, or was that just the early days of trolling?" The hosts dissect the O.J. Simpson trial's influence on Black communities and the broader implications for racial justice in America.

• LeClerc Andre contextualizes the Black community's perspective during the trial:

  "When Rodney King got beaten by white cops, there was a feeling that justice was elusive for Black people."
  [39:26]

• Phil Duckett elaborates on the collective sentiment:

  "There was this overwhelming feeling that justice didn't exist for black people in America."
  [40:55]

• Turner Sparks connects the trial to systemic issues:

  "He [O.J.] proved it right. The system was broken."
  [41:25]

The discussion highlights how the trial exacerbated existing tensions and reinforced mistrust between Black communities and the justice system. The hosts also touch upon the contrasting public reactions to high-profile cases involving Black individuals versus non-famous Black individuals like Rodney King.

Notable Quote:

"Black people know we ain't got no God. We pray that we make it home."
– LeClerc Andre [37:22]

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Comedy and Cultural Sensitivity in College Settings

Timestamp: [15:00] – [19:56]

Addressing the challenges comedians face when performing in sensitive environments, the hosts explore whether college audiences are inherently more sensitive and how that affects comedic expression.

• Phil Duckett discusses material adaptation:

  "A lot of people, they'll curate their material for whatever venue or space they're in."
  [15:48]

• LeClerc Andre shares personal experiences with college administrations:

  "They don't want to get canceled. They don't want the kids to tell their dad, like, hey, I just saw a gay comic."
  [16:24]

• Turner Sparks observes the social dynamics:

  "Everybody's on their phone by themselves... that's where you used to pick them, get them hoes."
  [17:30]

The segment underscores the tension between maintaining authentic comedic voices and navigating the restrictive policies of academic institutions.

Notable Quote:

"But if you start, you do it in your car, windows up, doors locked, you know, y'all gonna do it regardless."
– LeClerc Andre [26:04]

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Grilling Culture: Suburban Lifestyles vs. Fire Escape Adventures

Timestamp: [13:00] – [15:03]

A lighter topic emerges as the hosts and guest discuss grilling habits, contrasting suburban-friendly backyard smokers with more precarious methods like fire escape grilling.

• Phil Duckett emphasizes the necessity-driven approach:

  "I can't get a place even in New York City if there's not a space for me to have my smoker, I'm not going to live there."
  [13:54]

• LeClerc Andre recounts his fire escape grilling mishap:

  "I had a baby grill, and my boy's like, what if it goes uneven and just drops hot coals?"
  [14:14]

This conversation not only adds humor but also reflects on the cultural importance of grilling within different communities.

Notable Quote:

"I have a smoker, and I get that thing going all the time. Come on, man. No days off, no season."
– Phil Duckett [13:40]

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Addressing Racial Slurs and Language Appropriation in Music

Timestamp: [22:53] – [29:25]

Listener Andy from Cleveland raises a question about substituting the N-word in songs with alternatives like "brother." The discussion delves into the appropriateness, cultural sensitivity, and potential backlash of modifying such a loaded term.

• Phil Duckett dismisses alternatives:

  "Brother doesn't work."
  [24:07]

• LeClerc Andre explains the cringe factor:

  "What's up, brother? It feels like you're mocking me."
  [25:10]

• Turner Sparks highlights the resistance to external control:

  "There's white people out there who don't want a black person telling them what they can say and cannot say."
  [29:22]

The hosts agree that substituting the N-word undermines the word's historical and cultural significance, often resulting in awkward or disrespectful interactions.

Notable Quote:

"It's not just a character or an actor. It feels like you're talking to a national treasure."
– Phil Duckett [08:19]

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Conclusion

The episode of Black and White Advice effectively navigates through intricate issues of race, culture, and societal norms with a blend of humor and earnest discussion. From analyzing gun ownership disparities and dissecting landmark trials to exploring the nuances of comedy in sensitive environments and the cultural significance of grilling, Turner Sparks, Phil Duckett, and LeClerc Andre provide listeners with a multifaceted perspective on race relations in America.

Final Notable Quote:

"What white people don't realize is that you have free will. You can say whatever you want to say, and I can react how I want to react."
– Turner Sparks [29:25]

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Key Takeaways

1. Cultural Differences in Gun Ownership: White gun ownership is often hobbyist or status-driven, whereas Black gun ownership is primarily for personal safety and necessity.

2. Impact of High-Profile Trials: The O.J. Simpson trial reinforced existing mistrust in the Black community towards the American justice system, highlighting systemic racial biases.

3. Comedy and Sensitivity: Navigating comedic expression in environments like colleges requires balancing authenticity with institutional sensitivities to avoid censorship and backlash.

4. Language and Cultural Appropriation: Attempting to substitute racially charged terms like the N-word in music often leads to discomfort and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the term's gravity.

5. Grilling as a Cultural Practice: Grilling habits reflect broader cultural values and lifestyles, contrasting between necessity-driven practices and leisurely suburban traditions.

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Transcript

[Turner Sparks]

Do black people collect guns?

[Phil Duckett]

No, we throw them in bushes.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever had a question you wanted to ask the opposite race but you were too nervous to ask?

[Phil Duckett]

I'm Turner Sparks.

[Leclerc Andre]

And I'm Phil Duckett.

[Turner Sparks]

And this is black and white advice.

[Leclerc Andre]

But we answer all your questions about race, even the scary ones.

[Turner Sparks]

This is black and white advice.

[Leclerc Andre]

You've got a question, but you're scared to ask. Just drop the boys a message. Cause they're up to the task. They're rolling the dice. They ain't always nice? But you can't think twice and give.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

It.

[Leclerc Andre]

Black and white advice.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, everybody. Welcome to the show. My name's Turner Sparks.

[Leclerc Andre]

You know it's the real deal. Feel the thrill. What's going on?

[Turner Sparks]

We got Joe the muscle Russell on the ones and twos, behind the glass, turning the knob, switching the dials. How you doing, Joe? Voice on loan from God.

[Leclerc Andre]

This is going on four weeks now. This Rush Limbaugh doing a.

[Turner Sparks]

Rush Limbaugh do the whole thing.

[Phil Duckett]

Voice on loan from God.

[Leclerc Andre]

This is ridiculous.

[Turner Sparks]

Are you familiar with the Rush?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

All right.

[Leclerc Andre]

Wondering what the Going on.

[Turner Sparks]

Joe's a big Rush fan. Oh, I do want to say that I. We had somebody write in Eric out in Sacramento, California. He told me that he works with a woman who's a giant Republican MAGA person and told him the other day that her mom died recently. The bad news is her mom died. The good news is that now she gets to spend eternity with Rush in heaven.

[Leclerc Andre]

Well, that's MAGA for you. No, the MAGA thrives on that ignorant.

[Turner Sparks]

And he forgot about it till he heard Joe's impression on the pod.

[Leclerc Andre]

Rush is in hell.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

So I don't. I hate to. That might say something about where your mom was at.

[Phil Duckett]

We're going golfing with St. Peter.

[Leclerc Andre]

Let's introduce our fucking kids.

[Turner Sparks]

On the show today we got. Oh, this guest is absolutely hilarious. Tonight Show. You seen him on the Tonight Show? Just for Less. Were you on the Wire?

[Phil Duckett]

I was actually.

[Turner Sparks]

Look at that.

[Leclerc Andre]

The Wire, the TV show.

[Phil Duckett]

Like I was on.

[Turner Sparks]

Let me introduce leclerc, Andre, everybody, from the Wire. Welcome to the show.

[Phil Duckett]

I can't use it as a credit card.

[Turner Sparks]

Star of the Wire.

[Phil Duckett]

I was just on set. Hey.

[Leclerc Andre]

Cause I'm like, I've watched that pretty good.

[Phil Duckett]

I was casted as the security guard for the mayor. Yeah. Because I was. Because I was tall.

[Turner Sparks]

Mayor that. Oh, the white guy who's also in Game of Thrones.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Came out in 98.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, yeah. I was still in, like. I was a young dude.

[Leclerc Andre]

I was in fifth grade.

[Turner Sparks]

I didn't realize it was that old. I think I found it, like 10 years later.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, I was super young. Like, I got to set. They cast me because I was tall. So they said just on my. They're like, oh, he's a big guy. And then I got there and they saw my face like this. Too young. Security for the man.

[Leclerc Andre]

Too friendly looking.

[Phil Duckett]

Yes.

[Turner Sparks]

So you were acting in the 90s?

[Phil Duckett]

I was. It wasn't in the 90s. Stop doing that.

[Turner Sparks]

98.

[Leclerc Andre]

I think it came out in, like, 98. Oh, real shit.

[Turner Sparks]

I know I'm the oldest person in this room, so I don't mind saying this, but. So you were like a high school actor?

[Phil Duckett]

No, I don't. I don't think I was in high school at the time. But I do remember. I do remember being. I had no facial hair, and I've had facial hair from almost most of my life. So I do remember being super young. My suit didn't fit. I was baggy as.

[Turner Sparks]

You had brought your own suit?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, I was. I went in. In character. They were like, yes. And then as soon as I got to the director, he was like, you're the security? I was like, yeah. He was like, nah, not on this show you're not. And they just found another big black dude on set. And immediately I got recasted while I was there. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

So it's recast to what?

[Phil Duckett]

No, they recasted the body. Yeah. So they were like, you just hang out and I was just there on set. It was the first time I was pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty co. Cool.

[Leclerc Andre]

We're gonna have to look that up at the end during dark.

[Turner Sparks]

Mayor Caretti. Was that it? I think that was his name.

[Phil Duckett]

Your guess is good as well.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, I was gonna say. He wouldn't. All we know is Avon Barksdale.

[Turner Sparks]

Everyone on that show was British, but they pretended like they were from Baltimore.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's when I first found out that Idris Elba was British. Because I saw the behind the scenes. I was like, why is he talking like that?

[Phil Duckett]

Not Snoop? Snoop is from Baltimore.

[Turner Sparks]

That was the scariest character of all.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, she was gangster.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. That stapler gun. Come on now.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. And she was asking all those questions like I wanted. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I ain't gonna lie. I might rewatch that now.

[Turner Sparks]

So you were just telling us a little bit off air, but tell our audience. So you were on that show, was it, a week or two ago at the Comedy Cellar with John Lasseter. You, A bunch of people. I can't remember who else.

[Phil Duckett]

Leslie Jones.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, yeah. Leslie Jones.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Who else is on the show?

[Phil Duckett]

Chris Rock.

[Turner Sparks]

Chris Rock.

[Phil Duckett]

Chris Rock was on the show. And some whites.

[Turner Sparks]

A couple of white people. This is the sat. The weekend when they're doing Saturday. Saturday night lives like 50th anniversary. So all these people are in town, right?

[Phil Duckett]

All these people are in town. I knew something was going to be wrong because as soon as I got in there, there was like all these super famous people at the back comics table. And that's usually reserved for just the working comics, but it's like all the working comments were at the table in front of it. I was like, oh, my God, there's some.

[Leclerc Andre]

They were at the jv.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

What room is this? The original. The original, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay, so the upstairs. Yeah, gotcha.

[Phil Duckett]

So I get there, I'm early. The show hasn't started yet. But I see all those big faces. I'm like, oh, that's Steve Martin. That's Martin short. That's John Mulaney. They're just hanging out in the back. And I'm like, I'm either getting kicked off this show or I'm doing like six minutes instead of the standard 15. So I go over to the manager and I asked Liz. I'm like, hey, Liz, am I still going on? She's like, yeah, you're going on. Everything's fine. And then she goes, but you might do less time. I know what that means. So. So I go in there. John starts the show. John last, a very funny comedian. And I go up and I start doing my set. I'm trying to, like, punch a hole through the room.

[Turner Sparks]

Of course.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

You want to destroy.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm trying to ruin the show.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Are they in the room watching or they're upstairs?

[Phil Duckett]

No.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So the ol tree, the classic room at McDougall, is so small that there really isn't any seating room that you're.

[Leclerc Andre]

In that little doorway.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Or even standing room. So everybody who's watching the show, if you can, it's like right outside of the room in the hallway.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So I'm doing my set and I can. And that's also where you get the light. That's when you know your time is done. So I'm just doing my set. I'm trying to. I'm trying to cook. I get the light at like, six minutes. I'm like, oh, so. All right, let me get into some. Let me, like, dismount. Hard. Let me really get off.

[Turner Sparks]

Is this like a one minute light, two minute light?

[Phil Duckett]

It's a two minute light.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay. So you got enough time to do something.

[Phil Duckett]

So I start really going into some. I'm like trying to land hard. And then as soon as I get that light, I just see the hallway in my peripheral, just fill up. Oh, God, it's just packed in the hallway. I'm like, I can't even see the light coming in from the hallway.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So I'm like, what is, what is. What's going on over there? But I'm trying to do my material, trying to kill it. And then I get off on a big laugh. As soon as I get off. No. John lights me twice.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, you running the light with the famous people.

[Turner Sparks]

Does the seller not have a built in light?

[Phil Duckett]

They, they, they do in most of the rooms, but they're at, at the door. They just like light it in the hallway.

[Turner Sparks]

It's a flashlight on your phone. Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

It's not even a red light. It's just like lighting the person standing in the hallway.

[Turner Sparks]

Sure. Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Okay. So I go up, I get the light. I try to finish strong. I get the light again. I'm like, all right, I'm not finishing fast enough. So I finally get off to a good laugh. I get into the hallway, and the first person who says something to me is Steve Martin. He goes, hey, man, it sounds like you really killed it in there. I couldn't hear it, but it sounds like they loved you.

[Turner Sparks]

He goes, did you see my light? I was, I had. It was my phone, like the hell off days.

[Phil Duckett]

But he was. I couldn't hear any of it. But they sound like they loved you. I was like, thanks, I'll take it.

[Turner Sparks]

That's really cool.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, he was really funny and cool about it. There's something about, like, guys, go ahead.

[Turner Sparks]

Did he go next?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, immediately after me.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

[Phil Duckett]

But there's something about guys from like that era. He was almost regal. He was. It was like I felt like I was shaking hands with Bill Clinton.

[Turner Sparks]

He's like a senator or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

He's like not even an entertainer. He's like.

[Leclerc Andre]

Because he's bigger than comedy at this point, you don't even really know him for saying. Unless you were from that era. Like, I know him from movies.

[Phil Duckett]

Right.

[Leclerc Andre]

I didn't know him as a stand up until he was.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, he's like father of the bride.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's how I remembered him as a kid. You know what I mean? So I get. They're saying he's very. Has that aura about him. Like, this is somebody.

[Phil Duckett]

It's not just a comedian or an actor. It feels like you're talking to a national treasure. Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Would we go as far as, say he's an A list celebrity?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Leclerc Andre]

He.

[Turner Sparks]

He was so Saturday Night Live, they were trying to figure out that 50th episode. They've had 50 years of stars on that show, and they were like, who's gonna be the one to essentially host it? No one hosts it, but come out first. And they. They were even saying, like, oh, you know what? They can't just get one. There's too many egos. They're gonna split it. Like, four people will come out together. No, it was just him.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And that means you're the number one of that show for 50 years.

[Phil Duckett]

Most impactful person.

[Turner Sparks]

That's pretty crazy.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

The top of the list.

[Leclerc Andre]

He was on back in the 70s when it first started.

[Turner Sparks]

He never even was on.

[Leclerc Andre]

He just.

[Turner Sparks]

I looked it up. He was never a cast member. He's just hosted it so many times.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Really?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

He was too big to do the show in the 70s.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

I guess that's pretty sick.

[Phil Duckett]

SNL wasn't big enough yet.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, that's.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.

[Phil Duckett]

He was like, hey, get y'all weight up first.

[Leclerc Andre]

I'll host it.

[Turner Sparks]

You know, he was bigger than, like, Chevy Chase, Bill Murray, all those guys.

[Leclerc Andre]

Pretty cool.

[Phil Duckett]

When A Living Color dies off, hit me up. That's the type of time that's the.

[Leclerc Andre]

Show I wanted to get on. Oh, man. No offense. I would love a job, but, yeah. In Living Color. If I had, like, both people wanted me, it'd be In Living Color hands. Of course, that's my people. I'm gonna go with them.

[Phil Duckett]

Chris Rock left SNL to be on. Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

I mean, honestly, I don't think that's a horrible decision, especially depending on what type of humor you have. Yeah, they. Their sketches were way better on In Living Color.

[Phil Duckett]

I mean, they just had so much freedom.

[Turner Sparks]

There was an era when it was. It was bigger. Like, at least it was cooler with everyone culturally.

[Leclerc Andre]

SNL wrote a letter because the Wayne brother who started it, they said he got a letter from sn.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Asking him to stop the show.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

It was too much competition. They were plummeting their numbers.

[Phil Duckett]

The cultural impact of that show, bro, was crazy.

[Turner Sparks]

I think I was, like, in fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Literally everyone watched In Living Color. I don't know Anyone who watched snl, that.

[Leclerc Andre]

That one era, I was in kindergarten, and I remember, homie, don't play that.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

I always go around saying, homie, don't play that.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

As a kid.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Turner Sparks]

How is this? How is his set?

[Phil Duckett]

So Steve, he's such a. Such a problem. He goes up there. He's there to work out material for SNL50. So he goes up there, he has his papers in hand. Well, as you know, when they introduce the comic, this happens all the time at these shows. And you guys have seen it before. The host will say their name and the audience will kind of respond to it. But they don't explode until they see their face, because they don't believe. Like, is this a gag? Is this person doing a character? Is the person. Oh, it's Steve Martin.

[Leclerc Andre]

I saw that when they did. Kevin Hart came to New York, and they're like, kevin Hart, ladies and gentlemen. They were like. And it was. Yeah. They had to see it to believe it.

[Turner Sparks]

So.

[Phil Duckett]

So when they hear the name, people clap instinctually and then they process the name. So, like, all right, give it up for Turner. And then, like. And then, like, oh, wait, you mean Det.

[Turner Sparks]

Turner. It usually explodes like that at country clubs.

[Phil Duckett]

And then you see, it's always the head turns. That's when you know it's getting crazy. Like, they say a name, it's like you say Louis CK and people just.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. They're like, oh.

[Phil Duckett]

And they start reaching for the phone.

[Turner Sparks]

There's also a room of, like, a hundred people total, right? Maybe 110.

[Phil Duckett]

It's a tiny comedy room, but it's like you can feel people's body heat. It's like that tightly packed in. So once that first head or that first head turns and you see that. That, like, noise of recognition, it just, like. It's just a cascading effect that happens throughout the entire room. And people are like, oh, Steve, Steve. And people just start going crazy. He doesn't acknowledge any of it, really. He doesn't acknowledge. He.

[Leclerc Andre]

He's used to it. This is every time I get called.

[Turner Sparks]

But he never does stand up. Like, when's. That's my question. Like, what did he do? Because when's the last time he even. It's not like he's a working comedy.

[Leclerc Andre]

But he was doing.

[Phil Duckett]

He. Yeah, he does tour, him and Martin short. They have a. They have a touring act that they do together. Oh, yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Ever since Only Murders in the Building. That's probably when that came back.

[Phil Duckett]

But you won't see that improv like they're doing. Yeah, it's a big show.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

But, yeah, he gets up on stage, he has his papers in hand. People are going crazy. He just waits for them to die down, and then he. He never. Usually a lot of comics will say, like, lower your expectations. Thank you so much. You're so kind.

[Turner Sparks]

Famous people hack.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, they'll do all that. They'll, like, bring the room down. They'll try settle the room. He does none of that. He just wasted him to settle a little bit. Once they do, he goes straight into his bits on the paper, and I'm just like, what a pro.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow, dude, that's cool.

[Phil Duckett]

What a.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's pretty cool. That's different. That's next level. But I mean, if you've been doing it for 40 years, what. I mean, can anything shake you? You've seen it all. Well, one thing I do know, you know, transitioning here, that I know about leclerc, that I've always been impressed with. The comedy's great. Okay. He is a certified grill master. All right. I don't know if you know that now. I take pride in my grilling. I could grill. This is the smoke champ.

[Phil Duckett]

All right.

[Leclerc Andre]

He can smoke a brisket, a human, a horse.

[Turner Sparks]

Where do you grill in New York City?

[Phil Duckett]

In my backyard. Yeah?

[Turner Sparks]

You have a backyard?

[Phil Duckett]

I wouldn't call it a yard. Sounds like a flesh. But I would.

[Leclerc Andre]

I would.

[Phil Duckett]

But, yeah, I have a smoker, man. I have a smoker, and I get that thing going all the time. Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Do you smoke in this winter or just the summertime?

[Phil Duckett]

Come on, man. No days off, no season. What, smoke?

[Turner Sparks]

You live, like a suburban lifestyle in New York City?

[Phil Duckett]

Very much so, yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

I mean, he's a father.

[Turner Sparks]

Got good for you.

[Phil Duckett]

It's mandatory. I move with it. I'm like, I. I can't get a place even in New York City if I. If there's not a space for me to have my smoker, I'm not going to live there.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's fire.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow.

[Leclerc Andre]

Meanwhile, I was literally grilling on my fire escape about to ruin.

[Turner Sparks]

I thought you were going to say, like, Fort Green park or something.

[Leclerc Andre]

No, I own my fire escape. I had a. I had a baby grill, and my boy's like, what if it goes uneven and just drops hot coals? I'm like, well, somebody scarred. But the steak was well worth it, I'll tell you that.

[Phil Duckett]

Right?

[Leclerc Andre]

Like, I. I didn't care about that. And then, yeah, I only got in trouble one time. They're like, you gotta they're like, just take it inside.

[Turner Sparks]

I did a George Foreman out a window one time.

[Leclerc Andre]

You threw a George.

[Turner Sparks]

No, no, I held it out to clean it, just to get. Because there's, like, the smoke coming out of it or whatever.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, so you held it.

[Turner Sparks]

I literally held it in college. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, shitty dorm I was living in.

[Leclerc Andre]

Okay, that. Well, that's acceptable.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

I mean, the fact you're using a George Foreman is unfortunate.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, it was rough. What I'm saying is I have no grilling abilities.

[Leclerc Andre]

I would have done an open flame. Do white people barbecue like that? Do y'all take pride in it?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, I mean, my dad does.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. They just don't season.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, yeah. It'd just be raw meat. It's just be raw meat. Ain't clean season none.

[Phil Duckett]

The smoke is the flavor plan.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, wait, we do have a question today. About. About me.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Pause.

[Leclerc Andre]

Thank you. Have some respect for me.

[Turner Sparks]

Should we get to the question?

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, let's get into it.

[Turner Sparks]

Wait, one last thing.

[Leclerc Andre]

You.

[Turner Sparks]

You do colleges?

[Phil Duckett]

I do colleges, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

How does I know it pays well? How does that. Do you enjoy it?

[Phil Duckett]

Does anybody enjoy college?

[Turner Sparks]

I thought you're gonna have to say yes. No, we. I don't. I've literally never done them.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Which I'm surprising, because you would be the kind of comedian they want clean, Not. I don't know. Where you at? Little, like. I don't know.

[Turner Sparks]

I make excuses for myself. So I've never. I've never had colleges be interested in working with me. Maybe because I talk about. Well, what do you talk about? Because I talk about. Most of my stuff's about, like, my wife and, like, having it and, like, it just doesn't relate. You know what I mean?

[Phil Duckett]

My material has never changed. So a lot of people, they'll curate their material for whatever venue or space they're in. I never really did that. I have to start pivoting a little bit now that so much. My material is about, like, family life.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

And those students are like, what is? What are.

[Turner Sparks]

Because they haven't been through it.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Super sensitive, though. Like, you notice, like, is it, like, worse than a Brooklyn room?

[Phil Duckett]

So the reputation that you hear about college is about them being super sensitive and, like, they can't take a joke. That part isn't really the student body themselves. That's the admin, the admin. They're the ones like, don't.

[Turner Sparks]

Don't talk about the student admin or, like, their. Their teacher.

[Phil Duckett]

Both.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay. Okay.

[Phil Duckett]

Because they're Both trying to cover their. Their ass. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

They just don't want to get in trouble.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. They don't want to get canceled. They don't want the kids to tell their dad, like, hey, I just saw a gay comic. Like, they let the gays in. Yeah. That's where that real pushback as far as content comes. But the. But, like, they're. The kids themselves are not particularly sensitive.

[Turner Sparks]

I've heard this recently.

[Phil Duckett]

They just don't laugh at much. So that might make you feel like if you tell a joke and they're just like. It's like, oh, you think they're being sensitive, or you think they're being offended?

[Turner Sparks]

Just, like, nervous.

[Phil Duckett]

They're just scared of each other.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. They don't know why makes eye contact anymore. They don't talk to people.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

We were just saying that a couple weeks ago, I walked by Long Island University, like, eight at night on the way home. Next. The cafeteria is right on the street.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And it was a hundred kids in there, none of them talking to each other in their cafeteria, all on their phone by themselves.

[Phil Duckett]

Right.

[Leclerc Andre]

Which is crazy.

[Turner Sparks]

And I'm like, that's where you used to, like, pick them, get them hoes.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. You was over there like, hey, hey, I'm gonna get that number today.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Like, throw food at nerds. What you do whatever you have to do. That's where you. That's where you live and die.

[Leclerc Andre]

What year were you@NerDS2000. I was bullying in college.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Also, a lot of these college events are. Are, like, in the very beginning of each semester.

[Turner Sparks]

So they don't even know each other.

[Phil Duckett]

That's what I'm saying. Like, most of the tension and conflict that you're feeling is like when you go to a comedy show with the homies. Y'all are laughing. He's a fool. You know? But if you don't even know the people you sit next to, you're afraid to laugh because they're going to judge you about what you're like.

[Leclerc Andre]

You thought that was funny.

[Turner Sparks]

That's right. I can never understand when people go on first dates at a comedy show.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Because, like, though, if you're the dude. All right, first of all, I got a buddy who says this all the time. He's like. He's not a comic, but he's, like, the last thing I want. I want to be the funniest person.

[Phil Duckett]

On the date, for sure.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't want to go be like, here's people way funnier than me.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

But that's the problem got people. Guys think they're funny and then they're not. So I think this is an escape because they're like, if I can make her laugh, chances are she might let me get some. Yeah, because the way to woman's heart is through that point is you're just.

[Turner Sparks]

Introducing her to people who are funnier than you.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, that's why I normally fucking them, but yeah, exactly. So let me take this one off your hands there, bucko. I got it from here.

[Turner Sparks]

This is why I would never do.

[Phil Duckett]

It past that baton, my boy.

[Turner Sparks]

Giving women the fill.

[Phil Duckett]

You brought them to the race. I'mma take them across the finish line, my boy.

[Turner Sparks]

I got it. I got a friend who met his wife that way.

[Phil Duckett]

Thank you for your service.

[Leclerc Andre]

Hit me up. I'm doing the heavy lifting here.

[Turner Sparks]

My friend met his wife because another guy took her on a date to his comedy show and now he's married to her.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, I'd be sick.

[Turner Sparks]

Be sick.

[Phil Duckett]

My boy paid that two drink minimum, four drink minimum. Both of them.

[Leclerc Andre]

Damn. All right.

[Turner Sparks]

And then the second reason is if you laugh at the thing that they don't think they're supposed to laugh at. You know what I mean? You're nervous about what to laugh at.

[Phil Duckett]

The entire time because it feels like an endor. It feels like an endorsement. Right?

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, Like, I agree with him.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Oh, that's so funny.

[Leclerc Andre]

Even if you don't, it's just like, I can find the humor in any situation. But then there was like, no. You agree?

[Turner Sparks]

Really think that trans.

[Leclerc Andre]

Trans people aren't people.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, that's what it always is.

[Leclerc Andre]

Well, they said tranny in Congress the other day, so I think we're pretty much scot free now.

[Turner Sparks]

In Congress.

[Leclerc Andre]

In Congress. One lady was reading, she was like. She was like. And then. And then the trannies. And the lady was like, wow. The slurs. They were like. They were like, director, please tell him. He was like, I'm not well versed enough in what's offensive in the.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, he didn't know that word.

[Phil Duckett]

He was like, is it?

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the lady was like. She was like, that's not my problem. She kept reading. I was like, oh, we're in a different time now. Yeah, you start saying that now freely. We about to start saying tart and shit. It's about to get back.

[Turner Sparks]

I think that's back.

[Leclerc Andre]

It is. I say it all the time.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, we'll be right back with your black and white advice, questions and answers.

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[Turner Sparks]

To get bonus content, early episodes and have your questions answered on the show?

[Leclerc Andre]

Well then subscribe to Our [e-mail] Black and white advice and subscribe right now.

[Turner Sparks]

Do it and we'll give you a shout out on a future episode and.

[Leclerc Andre]

I might call you the N word.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, we're back. Question number one comes from. Let's go with Andy. 38 year old white guy in Cleveland, Ohio. This is a follow up to, I think two weeks ago's episode. He says one question you answered in the last episode was about using the N word when singing along to songs. And I was wondering. I was wondering. Welcome to the show, leclerc.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, welcome to the show.

[Phil Duckett]

Why'd you look at me when you say N word?

[Leclerc Andre]

You looked right at me.

[Turner Sparks]

And I was wondering if I. If substituting the N word with the word brother would be problematic. It has the right number of syllables and not to mess up the beat. It doesn't lose the overall meaning. But although it isn't the N word, it still kind of feels not okay. If you wouldn't mind speaking for all black people and either approving or denying this request, that would be great.

[Leclerc Andre]

Well, because I answered last week, I want to have the clerk answer first and I'll throw in any 2 cent that I think it seems like there's.

[Turner Sparks]

A lot of options, but go ahead.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, no, brother doesn't work.

[Leclerc Andre]

I said ninja last week.

[Phil Duckett]

Ninja. You're gonna have people say, what'd you say?

[Leclerc Andre]

Ninja.

[Phil Duckett]

Real close. Ninja. Is soup almost too close to risk it?

[Turner Sparks]

Yes. Yeah, Little Icarus.

[Phil Duckett]

Ninja might not even.

[Leclerc Andre]

Icarus.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, Ninja might not even, like, warrant a follow. Like a clarifying question. Like, you might hear ninja. And I'm like, that's. That was close enough.

[Turner Sparks]

And you think you heard it.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, you whoop his ass out and.

[Turner Sparks]

Then all of a sudden you're getting punched in the face and you don't have time to explain. No, no. I was. I listened to a podcast. They said I could.

[Leclerc Andre]

Ninja's okay.

[Turner Sparks]

They said, ninja's already getting beat up.

[Phil Duckett]

Imagine he pleading like that. I said ninja. Like, famous last words.

[Turner Sparks]

Phil Duckett on the black and white advice podcast said I could say ninja.

[Phil Duckett]

I said, ninja's crazy, brother.

[Turner Sparks]

So he asked about brother. Why is brother not work?

[Phil Duckett]

I don't like brother, period. Like, what white people say might be like, what's up, brother? I'm like, why?

[Leclerc Andre]

What's up, my brother? Yeah, I've heard that. And it feels a little more cringe, too, because it feels like you mocking me, like you're making a mocker. What's good, brother?

[Turner Sparks]

Is it? Or is it white people trying really hard to.

[Leclerc Andre]

It is, but it's way more cringe. Yeah, I mean, if You're a real gangster. Just replace the N word with vinegar.

[Turner Sparks]

What about person of color?

[Phil Duckett]

What about person?

[Leclerc Andre]

How could you write that in a song? In a song, butcher the entire flow.

[Turner Sparks]

That was Joe's suggestion. I just wrote it down.

[Phil Duckett]

That's how, you know white people don't care about rhythm. Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

You can just put it.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm add 30 syllables to this part. That has two.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

How about my neighbor.

[Turner Sparks]

Persons of. My neighbor is persons of color with attitude. Does that.

[Leclerc Andre]

See, you see, That's a. That's a mouthful. Big pause.

[Turner Sparks]

What about nephew?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, what's up? My nephew.

[Leclerc Andre]

He sound like Snoop.

[Turner Sparks]

That's.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, let's see. My nephew. My nephew.

[Phil Duckett]

No, nephews in Paris.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, nephews.

[Turner Sparks]

Nephews in Paris.

[Leclerc Andre]

A family reunion. No, no. Brother go. I'm. Be honest. Like I said yesterday, if say, do what you want, but do it in your car, windows up, doors locked, you know, y'all gonna do it regardless. But if you start.

[Turner Sparks]

Why are you looking at me? I've made it known to you. I don't say this word.

[Phil Duckett]

You're an avatar. You're speaking for the people.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay. Okay.

[Leclerc Andre]

Anytime I bring up white shit, I was like. And y. Oh, no.

[Turner Sparks]

I think I will say from our YouTube comments that people seem really interested in saying it.

[Leclerc Andre]

White people love saying.

[Turner Sparks]

That's what I mean. Love it more than I realize.

[Leclerc Andre]

I had a white. I knew a white comedian. Pissed me off one time. He was doing a joke, and he said I was like, I should really just slap the. Out of you. He was like, it's not Phil. He was like. As a comedian, he was like, I don't understand why I can't make a. Especially if it's a good bit. I'm like, well, you're not funny enough to make those type of bits. Number one, and it's a. Number two is like. I don't. I don't really get. He was like, phil, you telling me I can't use an N word for a joke? Is like telling a painter there's a color he can't paint with. I said, are you out of your mind?

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, that's not the same.

[Turner Sparks]

You know what happened? It's that Louis CK did it, like, 15 years ago or something.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And there was an era where he was like, just everyone meeting. It was all white people's favorite comedian. Right. And so then everyone thought because he did it, and then, like, he just kind of got away with it. No. 1.

[Phil Duckett]

That's. That's the crux of it, you know, Just do it. He did it. This is before Cancel Culture. He did it and it slid.

[Turner Sparks]

It slid.

[Phil Duckett]

It really slid. And everybody was like, you know, culture. That's like, we all took a beat. Like, is. Is. Is there no type of backlash? And there wasn't.

[Turner Sparks]

There wasn't.

[Leclerc Andre]

Because he was going to Jack.

[Turner Sparks]

And Chris Rock was immediately like, backing him up.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't know if he was specifically career wise. Chris Rock was backing him up. So it just kind of went through. And then like a week later, at every open mic.

[Leclerc Andre]

Was it a great joke?

[Turner Sparks]

I don't even remember what it was.

[Phil Duckett]

A throwaway.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, like, so Lou was. What Louie was doing was the equivalent of like Jordan dunking from the free throw line. And all these open micrs were like, well, I don't know how to dribble a basketball yet, but I'm going to want. I want to do that.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And it's like, all right, maybe start at the basics.

[Leclerc Andre]

Gotcha.

[Phil Duckett]

What, what. What those up. My comments were doing? They were just lowering the rim, right. And also lowing the bar, like creatively just to get the ball through there.

[Turner Sparks]

And tripping on their way to the free throw line and getting.

[Phil Duckett]

And getting beat up. I don't know what the curiosity with that word is. I don't understand why people want it.

[Leclerc Andre]

Because we make everything cool.

[Phil Duckett]

I know that we make it cool, but like the risk and reward for that word.

[Leclerc Andre]

But that's.

[Phil Duckett]

Is so high.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's the thing, though. Can I tell you, the risk is minimal. We ain't slapping the shit out of white people like we used to for saying there was a time you just wouldn't dare. It was like, this is really dangerous. Now. We're like, well, he said it with the A, not an er. So it's like. And people have gotten real lax.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, but you only need to get caught once.

[Leclerc Andre]

Well, you. All you need is one good ass whooping.

[Phil Duckett]

All you need is one good. One good slap.

[Turner Sparks]

Can I tell you what it is? This is a dark reality. It's. There's. There's a. There's white people out there who don't want a black person telling them what they can say and cannot not say. That's literally it. And so. And you're like. Because you can see it in our comments, people are like, you can't dictate what I say.

[Leclerc Andre]

Right.

[Turner Sparks]

That's just it. It could be anything.

[Leclerc Andre]

You have free will.

[Turner Sparks]

And it's.

[Leclerc Andre]

And so do I. And that's the. But they don't realize you have free. You can Say whatever you want to say, and I can react how I want to react. And so when I dog walk your.

[Turner Sparks]

Ass, that's what needs to happen.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, I'm not crazy. You. You know, I mean, but we don't do that. Like, we've gotten really, really nice.

[Phil Duckett]

I'm not gonna include myself in that weed part, man. I'll still face somebody over the N word.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, no, I ain't been. Last person called me, and I split his head up with a bar stool. Yeah, there you go at barfly. Now we're on 3rd Avenue. I'm talking about. Put that work on statute limitations. No, the cops came and everything, and they were like, what happened here? I mean, the dude was bleaching blood. The bartender was like, he called Phil the N word. The cop said, looks like you did your job. The white cops.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

So.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, here's the question. Next question.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Lawrence in Seattle. This is what I was referencing earlier. I'm a black guy, 35 years old. My question is, why do white people like their steaks rare? My friend group is racially pretty mixed. And the white guys are always eating raw cow. That is still bleeding. It's gross.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, what's his name?

[Turner Sparks]

Lawrence.

[Phil Duckett]

He's Jamaican.

[Leclerc Andre]

Lawrence wants a well done steak.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, that's a Caribbean boy.

[Turner Sparks]

Is that a thing?

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Like, a lot of my cousins, like, a lot of my cousins who aren't from, like, nice areas. Yeah, they're not gonna eat anything that's pink.

[Turner Sparks]

That's what this guy was saying.

[Leclerc Andre]

My cousin was like, I only eat pussy. Why I'm gonna eat a pink steak. I said, that says a lot about your relationship. But, like, you know what I mean? More than I ever needed to know about why you're always getting broken up with. But this is the truth. I, on the other hand, I'm gonna go mid rare, medium, every time.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, me too.

[Leclerc Andre]

As a matter of fact, I order medium rare. Cause if they fuck it up and overcook it, I'm still at medium medium. But I prefer medium rare. That's my thing. But a lot of my cousins, they're like, I want well done. And I'm like, I could just feed you my Air Force One and it would taste.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, you guys wanna. You guys want, like a funny take on it? You want like a historic, like. Because I can give you guys.

[Turner Sparks]

Give us. Give us everything.

[Phil Duckett]

So there. So we talk about.

[Leclerc Andre]

Me talking about give us.

[Phil Duckett]

It's gonna be so many pauses.

[Leclerc Andre]

Rare.

[Phil Duckett]

Me not. So there was a. So a lot Of. So my family's from, my family's from Haiti, so we're from the Caribbean and we just, it's just something that for the longest time, like, oh, you have to get your steak well done. You have to get your meat well done.

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, really?

[Phil Duckett]

But it also comes from like domestically in America, oftentimes you had to make sure you cooked all of your food thoroughly through and through because we were also not. We didn't have access to the best quality meats as well.

[Leclerc Andre]

Back in our.

[Phil Duckett]

Yes, historically, we didn't have access to the freshly cut beef. Right. So if you didn't make sure you cut it. It thoroughly, then you're running the risk of eating old meat that probably has bacteria that, that will make you sick. So if you risk it with older meat, then that sounds. So there's so many pauses, but you're, you're taking a gamble with your, with your health, with the, with the hygiene of the meat. So that's oftentimes why they couldn't afford to risk eating it at these, at these lower temperatures.

[Turner Sparks]

And then people just got used to the taste.

[Phil Duckett]

Taste. They didn't get used to the taste. It's the only taste that they knew.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So if you've been eating, if you've been eating cereal your whole life, when it's soggy and somebody gave you some like crunchy cereal, like let this marinate for a little bit. Right. So there's. We culturally, we're just accustomed to eating. That's the texture that we're familiar with. So it just makes sense to us.

[Turner Sparks]

Okay.

[Phil Duckett]

But if you, if you're introduced to, to both of them early enough, then you can of course compare objectively and be like, oh, I actually prefer a medium. Or prefer medium rare.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, that's why I need you.

[Leclerc Andre]

I would have been able to articulate.

[Turner Sparks]

That's what I was going to say.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. I was like, that was. Wow.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. But again, like the medium a medium steak is. When people talk about how good medium and medium rare steak is, they're not talking about specifically the flavor. They're talking about the bite, the texture. It's not as chewy, it's not as, as tough because you've been cooking it for so long.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So when you cook it for that, when you cook it good, especially a good cut of steak. Come on, bro.

[Leclerc Andre]

I had a dry aged ribeye from Whole Foods that was so good. It took me like two. I couldn't eat it in one sitting. As a matter of fact, I cut it, then I Ate it like a four hours. Oh, that's the best. And when you cook it perfect, you can reheat it and it's still not overdone.

[Phil Duckett]

That's the best because all the fat hasn't rendered out of it. Yeah, you still.

[Turner Sparks]

So we're all medium rare here.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. Okay.

[Leclerc Andre]

We're all classy.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, Lawrence.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Lawrence. Sorry, buddy.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Shot down. All right, next question. Morton in Denmark.

[Leclerc Andre]

The country.

[Turner Sparks]

The country of Denmark.

[Leclerc Andre]

Get international with these questions.

[Turner Sparks]

He says, I've never been to America, but I consume your TV and movies all my life. I guess for all my life. My question is, who likes guns more, white people or black people? Wow. That's a hardcore.

[Leclerc Andre]

That is a hardcore question, because I.

[Turner Sparks]

Actually, from an outsider perspective, it might be hard to.

[Phil Duckett]

That's not a hard question at all.

[Turner Sparks]

Who likes guns more is the question. Likes my own. Why people like 35.

[Phil Duckett]

White people love guns.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

White people collect guns.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, that's true. That's what I said. My uncle.

[Leclerc Andre]

Guns that won't even shoot.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Do black people collect guns?

[Phil Duckett]

No.

[Turner Sparks]

They're all like, we throw them in bushes.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

That's how little we care about our guns.

[Leclerc Andre]

These are throwaways.

[Turner Sparks]

There's no gun care case. No gun rack.

[Leclerc Andre]

Not unless you want to get the electric chair. All them guns got bodies on them.

[Phil Duckett]

We use guns like. Like disposable cameras. Like, once we get the shot, we toss in that joint, bro. I should have wrote that down.

[Leclerc Andre]

That is phenomenal. That is so good. Once we get this shot, we.

[Phil Duckett]

We getting rid of that and we wiping it.

[Turner Sparks]

It is. When you watch the Olympics, the gun, the American gun, it's all white guys.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

The. The shotgun competitions and stuff.

[Phil Duckett]

It's a sport for you. That's how we know y'all love guns. You guys made it a sport. You love guns. Black people. It's a necessity.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. It really is.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. It's like.

[Phil Duckett]

It's just a means.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. It's like your wallet. I mean, like, you're just gonna keep it on you because you. But you don't.

[Turner Sparks]

You know who is, but who. Okay, this is another. Okay, what about this? Who's caring just right now in America, which race is carrying a gun more?

[Leclerc Andre]

You ain't been down south long.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

White people.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. White people.

[Leclerc Andre]

I mean, black. Both.

[Phil Duckett]

Both.

[Leclerc Andre]

But white people, they are way more unapologetic because only white people can walk down the street holding their AR15 and a cop be like, he's not shooting it. If they see Us with a gun. They're drawing their guns. That's just how that goes. So it's different. Like I said, it's a necessity. But with white people, it's more of like, yeah, it's like, I don't know. I think it's like showing off their wealth. Like, I know guns are expensive.

[Turner Sparks]

I know white people who will tell you, like in the middle of a story, they're like, yeah, so, you know, I had to check my gun. Like, they take a flight with a gun they won't even need. They're going on a business trip or something. I've actually heard this exact story, guys. Like, I was going on a business trip. You know, you can't bring a concealed weapon into Pennsylvania. I got off the flight in Philly. They were like, you can't have a gun. I'm like, what?

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

You know why people love their guns? Because they'll tell you the specs. Like, this is a.22 gold chrome. And it's like, oh, meat, I don't know me specs. All right, let's clean that up. All right.

[Turner Sparks]

Just telling us. Saw me got the specks of the. I'm not gay no more, Porter.

[Leclerc Andre]

Half I'm delivered.

[Phil Duckett]

I like women's women. Nah, but the meat specs is crazy. No, no, but it's true. Like, I feel like. I feel like culture that white people are like, oh, yeah, what type of. What type of pistol you got? Oh, yeah. 22 or. 45.

[Leclerc Andre]

Look at this beauty. I just.

[Turner Sparks]

Black people ever talk about the second amendment as like a big thing to, you know, that you can't take my guns.

[Phil Duckett]

That's not our amendment.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's not our men. The law was not written for black people.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

I'm just wondering, do people talk so.

[Phil Duckett]

No.

[Turner Sparks]

The answer is no. I hear it at dinner conversations. I wouldn't say the nra.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's all they talk about. This is my God given right.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Black people know we ain't got no God.

[Turner Sparks]

Is God involved in guns for you guys?

[Phil Duckett]

No.

[Turner Sparks]

Is it a God given. Is that just.

[Leclerc Andre]

We pray that we make it home. Yeah. I mean, that's about it. Pray this gun get me home for the night.

[Phil Duckett]

But like, our relationship with firearms is. Is directly tied to, like, our relationship with. With safety. Like, we. When. When black people talk about, like, yeah, I'd never leave house home without it because I always want to come home. So that's. That's what people's relationship with guns. When in the black community, white people like, brandish firearms well, it's a sport, as you said.

[Turner Sparks]

You got hunting and.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, they're like cure. Hey, what you got?

[Turner Sparks]

Let me. Yeah, let me hold that thing.

[Phil Duckett]

Oh, feels good.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

How's the kickback on that high school party?

[Turner Sparks]

Somebody always gets other dad's gun.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Let's do shots.

[Phil Duckett]

Put them on the wall. Yeah, put them on the wall is crazy, bro. Ours are under the mattress in a safe.

[Leclerc Andre]

Couches.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, man, It's. It's just a different. The relationships with. With guns are just so, so different now.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, Morton. So the answer, I guess, is white people. If the white people.

[Leclerc Andre]

Easy.

[Turner Sparks]

Who loves guns more? Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Easily. Who uses them more? That's a difference.

[Leclerc Andre]

I was literally gonna say that. Who bust that gun more? Probably us, but has them.

[Phil Duckett]

Who looks better?

[Turner Sparks]

All right, next question. This is from Lauren in San Diego, California. She said, I've always wondered. These questions are crazy. This week she goes, did black people really think O.J. was innocent, or was that just the early days of trolling?

[Leclerc Andre]

Well, all right. Well, at the. At the time. Yeah, at the time that it happened, I think black people might have had an inkling that he did it. But you have to understand, Rodney King had just gotten his ass beat by them white cops. So what? Nobody gonna side with white people on that. And they were like. They were like that. Fuck that white lady, the way they beat us. This is why we didn't. They couldn't really empathize with her because the Rodney King incident was just such a crazy thing. The riots, I think it just happened. So white versus black was a major problem. Like, black people were not fucking white. So no matter who did it, who.

[Turner Sparks]

He killed, it could.

[Leclerc Andre]

Anybody white. It was a victory in our eyes. So. Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't him just killing them that we were celebrating. That wasn't.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, that's what you just made it sound like.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. You're like, yeah, we got one. We got away. No, that's how.

[Turner Sparks]

I don't think that's the waiter plus that guy.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

I think. I think, like, the real celebration was, I think, the temperature. What you talking about? The Rodney King. What happened with Rodney King? There was also, like, riots happening.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, the LA riots.

[Phil Duckett]

Right. It was crazy. It was really, really tense. And also it felt like black people culture. We're just taking L after L after L, Right?

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

So when. What happened to Rodney King, when that went nationwide, I feel. This is before the settlement, by the way. He got the cops, got off. Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

He got paid I think was 92. O.J. was 94.

[Phil Duckett]

Right.

[Turner Sparks]

And the riots were right after Rodney King, obviously, for like, it was the bridge to O.J.

[Phil Duckett]

Right. But the tape came out way before. We didn't know if he was gonna win. We didn't know if it was gonna be enough. If we didn't know if there's any consequences for the police officers. So it's like, damn. Yeah. For Ronnie, like, damn, they're getting away with anything if. Because if that wasn't recorded, we all understand that that was happening. It was.

[Leclerc Andre]

But it would have kept.

[Turner Sparks]

And there were no consequences. Am I right?

[Leclerc Andre]

They got to remember he got the settlement years later. But they got them cops when he got off.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, they didn't go.

[Phil Duckett]

They just went to a different.

[Turner Sparks]

So then. So then the black community, you said, connected OJ that he was black and killed a white person.

[Phil Duckett]

No, it's just that there's this overwhelming feeling that justice didn't exist for black people in America.

[Turner Sparks]

Shouldn't exist for white people.

[Leclerc Andre]

And I think something.

[Phil Duckett]

No, it's not that it shouldn't exist, but we, up until that point, I think there was a feeling in America that, like, the chances of us getting justice, the chances of, like the government and the, the system working in our favor just wasn't likely. It wasn't going to happen. So we're all watching this trial take place and we're thinking, all right, there's about to get locked up. We never get. We never get off. The system is broken. Everything is unfair.

[Turner Sparks]

But he proved it right. The system was broken.

[Phil Duckett]

But O.J.

[Turner Sparks]

Because he was clearly.

[Phil Duckett]

O.J. is a Rodney, though. That's the thing that people, people conflate the two like, oh, Rodney King. Nobody knew who. Rodney King's only famous because he got beat up. Yeah, OJ Was famous for years and was retired for years.

[Leclerc Andre]

A household white name.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

White people love the Juice.

[Phil Duckett]

Exactly. So. So we were not. We're not just rooting for a stranger like with Rodney King. We were hoping that this. Because Rodney King represented all black men. He was. He was a faceless, non famous black person who something terrible happened to. So we was like, when he didn't get justice or if he got. If they got away with it, we would understand, like, yeah, if that happened to me, they would get away with as well.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

But now we have the Juice, man. Somebody we've all rooted for, somebody that we're wearing his jersey. He's now getting prosecuted.

[Turner Sparks]

He was clearly guilty.

[Phil Duckett]

He was clearly guilty. If you're watching the Trial. We don't watch trial.

[Turner Sparks]

There you go.

[Leclerc Andre]

So we just heard the story. Heard the story. Like, he didn't kill it.

[Phil Duckett]

Black people, like, we saw him in a Bronco. We're like, run. Like, that's all we thought.

[Turner Sparks]

I remember in science class, they were teaching us about the DNA.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Because there was the double helix and all that. That's where we learned about DNA.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Through his trial. And they were like, There is a 99.9999% chance this is him.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. And the other theory, they were like, it's either him or it's his son. That because they share the same DNA.

[Phil Duckett]

Have you heard the son theory?

[Turner Sparks]

The sun theory is wild.

[Phil Duckett]

It's fascinating.

[Leclerc Andre]

How old is his son?

[Turner Sparks]

He would have been, like, 18 at the time. He was from a previous marriage.

[Phil Duckett]

But there's a storyline behind that that ties him. They say the evidence is stronger for his son being the murderer.

[Turner Sparks]

Son did it. And O.J. covered.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, but it's a crazy story. It's. You should watch.

[Leclerc Andre]

I saw. Wait, there's a documentary on it, like, on YouTube.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, there's so much.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, that. 30 for 30. When I saw that. Yeah, when I saw that and they showed the body and the. The stab, I said, yeah, he.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, he.

[Leclerc Andre]

Her. I'm like, that's her.

[Turner Sparks]

But isn't it wild that in my seventh grade science class, they were teaching us science based off the O.J. trial. That's how big of a trial it was.

[Leclerc Andre]

All white town in California.

[Turner Sparks]

I was. No, no. Bill Carter had lived there.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, sorry, sorry.

[Phil Duckett]

One.

[Leclerc Andre]

One ex NBA player.

[Turner Sparks]

He just retired from the Chicago Bulls. And. But. And then they. We watched it in class. Did you guys watch the trial? I mean, the verdict in class?

[Phil Duckett]

I don't remember where I was.

[Leclerc Andre]

I don't either. 94. I was sick, so I don't. I just remember, like, watch my dad watch. And he was like, yeah, he got off.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

I was like, crazy. That man got off.

[Phil Duckett]

By the way, not all black people celebrated. The ones that they. Televised tv, that was like the Knicks winning the championship. It was crazy because a lot of black people saw him get away with it and were like. They were like. It was. It was very much like, yeah, somebody.

[Leclerc Andre]

Would have to pay for this.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah. Like, he got away with it, but. But this is gonna be bad for black people moving forward.

[Leclerc Andre]

And I was impressed, I think. But then when he went to jail 15 years later for stealing his own highest, I said, if I'd have beat A brutal murder like that, you couldn't get me to jaywalk, and your dumbass went and robbed somebody. Like, we don't know the Juice, man. You were one of the most famous.

[Turner Sparks]

People on this planet.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, even worse.

[Turner Sparks]

Stealing his own Heisman, right? Yeah, even worse.

[Phil Duckett]

He wrote a books. And if I would have did it.

[Leclerc Andre]

That was the craziest thing I remember. I remember seeing that book. And I was like. Like, that seems dumb. My mom was like, well, double jeopardy. They can't retry him. I'm like, but that's like.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, but they got him on. They put eight years for stealing a Heisman.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah. Which is.

[Turner Sparks]

I was like, basically, they got him.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, we.

[Turner Sparks]

The murder.

[Leclerc Andre]

You're going to have to sit in here for something.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Do you think he would have had a better life overall if he just went to. If he did get convicted and then got out, like, 15 years later?

[Phil Duckett]

Hell no.

[Turner Sparks]

Do you know what I mean?

[Phil Duckett]

Hell no.

[Turner Sparks]

Because his life seemed to suck after that.

[Phil Duckett]

It did. But you have to understand, he would have went to jail for murder.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, that's different than ever.

[Leclerc Andre]

It wouldn't have been 15.

[Turner Sparks]

He would have got life anywhere in two people.

[Phil Duckett]

That's.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's right. The lover was there, too. Yeah. Life, if not the. The needle.

[Turner Sparks]

The waiter.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, yeah, the waiter.

[Turner Sparks]

That's crazy.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

You know, his thing. His family was. He said he was just there. The waiter was just there delivering. She forgot her jacket.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, he was delivering, all right.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah.

[Phil Duckett]

Prison is different from violent offenses like murderers. That's weight than stealing something. That's a different sentence, bro.

[Leclerc Andre]

But he would have been treated like a king. Let's be honest. In prison, he would have been fine.

[Phil Duckett]

I tell you, the time Aryan race would have found him.

[Leclerc Andre]

They would have. But I think it would have been a race war, because the brothers, like, y'all ain't touching Juice.

[Turner Sparks]

He would have been protected.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Murder. You're like, murder's like the. What, you want to be in prison? If you're gonna go to hard prison, you don't want to be in there for parking tickets, I'll tell you that. You won't murder on your rap, it's for sure.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah, I saw him at a concert one time.

[Phil Duckett]

O.J.

[Turner Sparks]

O.J.

[Leclerc Andre]

What concert?

[Turner Sparks]

It was a Marley Festival in Miami. Like, the Marley family did a yearly festival. All the kids, you know, have their own bands and stuff. And then Bunny Whalers there from the Whalers. And then the whole festival all day long, they're like, we're gonna have. At the End of the show, everybody, stick around. We got a special guest coming out to introduce the final band, which was the Whaler. Like the surviving member of the Whalers.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And they wouldn't announce who it was. Wouldn't announce who it was. Finally, at the very end, it's O.J.

[Leclerc Andre]

Oh, did they boo?

[Turner Sparks]

No, it was me. And all black people. Everyone went nuts. They loved them. It was like, yeah, what'd you do? I was clutching pearls of other people.

[Leclerc Andre]

He's a serial killer.

[Turner Sparks]

It's like, what?

[Phil Duckett]

What?

[Turner Sparks]

It was me and my one Jewish friend, Andrew Unterman. And then standing next to us was Lennox Lewis. Oh, we're just in a field.

[Leclerc Andre]

Standing there in a field with black people. There's two white men.

[Turner Sparks]

Yeah. And he was like, Jewish, I'll be fine, or whatever. You know, that's what he was saying.

[Leclerc Andre]

The arrogance of that statement. I'm Jewish, brothers.

[Turner Sparks]

Like, you gotta get out of here. And so then, yeah, they bring out the placement banana. Everyone loved him. They were like, yeah. And then he introduced the Whalers. And I was like, that was probably 2002.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

And I was like, wow. That's when it really struck.

[Leclerc Andre]

Like, yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

I was like, wow. He's Phil.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

There's an old lady at my wedding, like, sitting in the back. I don't if you ever noticed her, but that's my wife's aunt Dottie. And her husband was best friends with O.J.

[Leclerc Andre]

Really?

[Turner Sparks]

All right, that's it, everybody. Patreon subscribers, stick around. We didn't even pump the Patreon this week, but you guys, guys, go to patreon.com blackand white advice. Join the party. We do bonus content every single week on that show. And we're about a hundred dollars away or less at this point from sending Phil to his first punk rock concert. We're gonna film the whole thing. Phil's gonna stage dive, jump in a mosh pit, and it'll go out exclusively to our Patreon subscribers. And if you're a Patreon subscriber, stick around. After the music. We got bonus bonus show with leclerc. Now, Joe White lies and dark truths. What do we get right? What do we get wrong?

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

Well, you guys are talking about Steve Martin. He has hosted SNL 16 times.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

The only person that's done it more is Baldwin. Alec Baldwin did 17, but he had.

[Leclerc Andre]

That murder thing he was trying to beat, so they probably couldn't have him. Was he at the 50, I wonder.

[Turner Sparks]

I doubt.

[Leclerc Andre]

He's probably not making public appearance.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

Anyway, back to Beef. Beef usually only gets bacteria on the surface of the meat cut. That's why as long as you sear the beef surface, you should be good. But ground beef is a little bit more dangerous because grinding it up, you massively increase the surface area.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah, well, I can assure you they weren't feeding us rib eyes. It was chitlins and in cow uteruses and shit. So you need to cook that through.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

And the last thing I looked up. Gun ownership is most common among white men.

[Turner Sparks]

Boom.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

With 36% of whites reports they own guns.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

And about 24 of blacks.

[Leclerc Andre]

Also, black people can't report we own them because they're all gonna ask us. We're fellows. Felons can't have guns. So they're like, no, no, I ain't got no weapons. Yeah.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

15% of Hispanics say they own a gun. And So I just.

[Phil Duckett]

50%. 15. 15.

[Turner Sparks]

I was like, Bill, 50%.

[Phil Duckett]

50 is.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow.

[Phil Duckett]

Flip a coin like a war's coming. I did.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

I did a little math. I'm terrible at math, so people can probably fact check me, but if there's two, there's 212 million white people in the United States. So 36% of them. That is 76 million white gun owners. And there's only 41 million black people. So there's almost double the white gun owners than there are black people.

[Leclerc Andre]

Right?

[Turner Sparks]

Oh, just human beings.

[Joe the Muscle Russell]

Yeah.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

Wow.

[Leclerc Andre]

White people running this gun.

[Turner Sparks]

There you go.

[Phil Duckett]

Hey, man, every time I hear about a race war. Listen, this is. It's not gonna feel fair.

[Leclerc Andre]

It's not.

[Phil Duckett]

Yeah, that's cr. Those numbers are crazy, by the way.

[Leclerc Andre]

That's a lot of guns. 71 million.

[Turner Sparks]

My uncle has 35, I think.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yeah.

[Turner Sparks]

See, and it's the first thing he shows you when you go to his house.

[Leclerc Andre]

Even the most strapped up brother I know has maybe four or five tops.

[Phil Duckett]

You got two trigger fingers. Right?

[Leclerc Andre]

Right.

[Phil Duckett]

What are we talking about? That's so crazy, bro.

[Turner Sparks]

All right, that's the show, everybody. Everybody. Patreon subscribers, stick around. Everybody else, stay black.

[Leclerc Andre]

Yes, sir. You've got a question but you're scared to ask. Just drop the boys a message. Cause they're up to the task. They're rolling the dice. They ain't always nice, but you can't think twice. Thanks for giving black and white advice. Black and white advice.

[Phil Duckett]

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