A Goofy Movie

Summary

Black People Love Paramore: "A Goofy Movie" (March 6, 2025)

Host: Sequoia Holmes
Guests/Co-hosts: Ryann Graham
Topic: Why "A Goofy Movie" is a Black cultural staple, generational shifts in Black media representation, and cartoon characters’ racial identity.

Episode Overview

This episode of Black People Love Paramore dives humorously and thoughtfully into the Disney classic A Goofy Movie, examining its unexpected status as a "Black staple." Sequoia and Ryann break down how nostalgia, animation style, music, and cultural context have given the film a lasting legacy among Black millennials and Gen Z. They also discuss broader topics like Black joy in 90s media, trauma-focused narratives of today, and the "de-Blackification" of animation. The conversation is lively, insightful, and peppered with hot takes and laughter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "A Goofy Movie" and Black Nostalgia

• Why Talk About It?

  • The film turns 30 this year ([04:05]) and is being celebrated for its unique, under-acknowledged place in Black pop culture.

• Sequoia’s First Watch:

  • Sequoia had never seen the movie before prepping for the episode ([04:22]).
  • Surprised by the movie's emotional heft:

    "It broke my heart a lot more than I anticipated it breaking my heart." – Sequoia ([04:31])

• Max and Goofy’s Dynamic:

  • They analyze the troubled but loving father-son relationship, which feels more emotional watching as adults.
  • Max is called out for his brattiness; Goofy is praised for his patience.
  • Both hosts agree Goofy’s method of parenting echoes TV dads like Carl Winslow or Dr. Huxtable, emphasizing loving, non-stereotyped Black fatherhood ([09:37]).

• The Absence of Mrs. Goof:

  • Ryann notes Mrs. Goof is unaddressed, adding a somber undertone ([05:10]).

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2. Is "A Goofy Movie" Black? On Animation, Music, and Vibes

• Blackness in the Film:

  • The music—especially Tevin Campbell as Powerline—is a core reason why Black audiences claim the film ([05:46], [25:09]).
  • Visual cues: Town feels multiracial, many side characters read as nonwhite ([06:08], [06:18]).
  • Both agree: Goofy and Max themselves read as "white kids who grew up with Black kids/the MTV era," but the film’s world is filled with Black cultural signifiers.

• Memorable Quote:

  "Goofy nor Max read as black at all... Max seems like a white kid who grew up on MTV." – Sequoia ([06:29])

  • Roxanne, Max’s crush, is discussed as the "original IG baddie/light-skinned pipeline" ([10:58]).

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3. 90s (Black) Joy vs. Today’s Narratives

• The Shift in Black Representation:
  • Ryann: “Blackness felt mainstream and ubiquitous... Now everything’s an echo chamber," noting the shift to niche and trauma-centered content ([07:25], [08:13]).
  • Sequoia: “A lot of mainstream blackness is rooted in trauma and hardship," contrasting that with the celebration and joy found in older TV and movies ([08:54]).
  • Discussion of how today's mainstream often "de-Blackifies" or compartmentalizes Black culture compared to the 90s.

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4. Villains & Characters: Who’s Really the Problem?

• Primary 'Villains':

  • The principal (for projecting "gangster" onto Max for harmless behavior – an allegory for racist school authority [15:18]).
  • Pete (Goofy’s toxic coworker, possibly abuser, but also sort-of supportive [17:04]).
  • Max (for being a rude, lying teenager):

    “I don't. I hate teenagers... If there's an age group that I actually dislike... it's from about the ages of... 12 to 24.” – Sequoia ([17:48])

• Max's Teenage Selfishness:

  • His lies and disrespect stem from adolescent self-centeredness, which the hosts both recognize and gently roast ([18:11], [36:16]).

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5. Powerline: The Black Pop Icon We Deserved

• Music as Core Blackness:

  • Tevin Campbell’s "Stand Out" and "Eye to Eye" are peak Black nostalgia ([25:00]).

    "Tevin Campbell singing on anything. Right." – Sequoia ([25:09])

  • Ryann notes the musical numbers make the film feel "almost like a musical," with Sequoia later singing a bit.

• Origin of Powerline Character:

  • Powerline is a composite of Michael Jackson, Prince, and Bobby Brown ([33:43]).

  • Bobby Brown may have been cast originally, with references to jacket, lightning bolt haircut, and "bad boy" energy that led to his recasting.

    "I know it was Bobby Brown because of the shoulder pads." – Sequoia ([34:09])

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6. Discussion of Cartoons with ‘Black Energy’

• Game: Is This Cartoon Character Black? ([46:37])
  • A hilarious interactive segment where the hosts debate whether characters (Bugs Bunny, Elmo, Lola Bunny, SpongeBob, Tom & Jerry, Sonic, etc.) code as Black, and why—using speech, style, and "vibe" as their criteria.

    "Elmo is like certainly a black three year old baby. Like, stop playing with me." – Ryann ([47:54]) "Jerry is also resourceful, nimble, flexible... I'm going to get my cheddar period." – Sequoia ([50:11])

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7. ‘De-Blackification’ of Cartoons & Media

• Noting the shift away from Black-coded characters in remakes and redesigns—even the Nesquik bunny and Sonic the Hedgehog ([50:35]).
• Ryann: "What is the deep blackification of mainstream media right now?" ([51:35])
• Sequoia decries the periodic "Black droughts" in mainstream entertainment, likening them to network cycles (UPN, early 2000s, etc.) ([51:49]).

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8. Life Lessons, Adult Nostalgia, and Final Thoughts

• Adult Rewatching:

  • Both reflect on watching the film as adults: appreciation of Goofy’s parenting, nostalgia for 2D animation, and the pain/funniness of teenage embarrassment ([21:44], [38:14], [42:53], [45:15]).

• On whether Max’s quest for Roxanne was worth it:

  "Spending time with your dad's more important. No, I would say not worth it." – Sequoia ([45:03])

• Disney’s Subtle Brilliance:

  • Homages to Disneyland, marketing genius ([45:49], [46:06])

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Notable Quotes

• On generational difference:

  “Mainstream blackness is rooted in trauma and hardship [today]... It was a lot of celebration... Like their blackness just is. It is not a plot point.” – Sequoia ([08:13], [09:11])

• On the Powerline/Tevin Campbell connection:

  “Tevin Campbell was a really big deal in the 90s... And I don't know if he's out..." – Sequoia ([27:02], [27:10]) "He came out in 2022." – Ryann ([28:18])

• On the rise and fall of Blackness in media:

  “Blackness felt mainstream and ubiquitous... Now everything’s an echo chamber.” – Ryann ([07:25])

• On teenage cringe:

  “There was...in my 20s where I look back, I tried. I'm actively still trying to scrub it from my brain right now. You ever have those?” – Sequoia ([37:45]) “Why did I say that?” – Ryann ([38:14])

• On 2D animation:

  “…That type of animation doesn't really exist anymore. Like, everything's kind of 3D or like CGI now, and we don't have that kind of like 2D.” – Ryann ([23:24])
  “I love 2D animation...it's endearing, it's heartwarming.” – Sequoia ([23:36])

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Important Timestamps

• 00:29 – Introduction
• 04:05 – Why this episode: film’s 30th anniversary
• 05:46 – Discussion: Is "A Goofy Movie" Black?
• 06:47 – Max is a “white kid who grew up with Black kids”
• 09:37 – Goofy as Cosby Show/Winslow TV Dad
• 15:18 – Who’s the villain: principal/authority as the “real villain”
• 17:48 – Max/teenager roast
• 25:00 – Tevin Campbell/Powerline & “Stand Out”
• 33:43 – Powerline’s origins: Bobby Brown, Prince, Michael Jackson influence
• 36:16 – Cringe teenage lies and consequences
• 42:07 – Character “Flanderization”/Comedic relief
• 46:37 – Game: “Are They Black?” cartoon debate
• 50:35 – Discussion: De-Blackification of animation (Nesquik bunny, Sonic)
• 51:49 – “Black droughts” in mainstream media cycles
• 53:01 – Hope for a new Black renaissance in media
• 54:17 – Closing thoughts and favorite songs tangent

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Memorable Moments

• Heartfelt Reactions:
  • Sequoia unexpectedly moved by Goofy’s attempts to connect with Max as an adult viewer ([04:31], [45:15])
• Roasting Teen Max:
  • Hilarious and honest about adolescent stupidity, making it relatable for all ages.
• Flanderization Discussion:
  • Insightful conversation about how popular cartoon characters gradually become caricatures ([40:28])
• Cartoon Identity Game:
  • Laughter-filled, clever debate on which animated characters "feel" Black ([46:37])

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Closing / Call to Action

Sequoia invites listeners to sound off on whether to have an emo-themed karaoke birthday and to continue the discussion about "A Goofy Movie" and Black nostalgia on social media (@BPLPPod, @sequoiabholmes) ([55:00]). They tease future episodes, merch, and recommend catching her on the SiriusXM show "The Daily Dirty" ([01:09], [55:37]).

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Summary

This episode offers a mix of humor, critique, and nostalgia, centering "A Goofy Movie" in the Black cultural canon. It explores why a film with ostensibly "white" main characters resonates so deeply, highlighting the importance of music, background culture, and the depiction of Black joy and family bonds. Broader reflections on cycles of Black representation in media—and the loss of "mainstream Blackness"—tie the subject to generational experience. The “Are They Black?” cartoon segment, insightful music history, and honest talk about growing up add depth and fun, making this episode a must-listen for anyone who loves pop culture, animation, or just a really great laugh.

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[B]

And I'm Ryan.

[A]

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It out there and it is a really fun show. Like it is like legitimately a lot of fun. You all are. You break down lots of random things. Not random, but it's like all the pop culture stuff. It's pretty random. I catch up on of things from you. Cuz I did. I don't watch Love is Blind like that. And like today you. Well, today are. Today you guys are going through it and I was like, oh, I made you tell me more about it when I got here. I was like, please give me more detail. I don't know what's going on.

[A]

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[B]

But today a goofy gor.

[A]

Are you goofy? How was you goofy?

[B]

How is. What is that? How is you goofy?

[A]

Tik Tok TikTok, like has this new thing where like a creator will make some video and in the comment, the top comment will always be like, how is he? How is you? Me? Oh, how is you silly Ariana Grande. Somebody's like singing Ariana songs. What was you Ariana?

[B]

You know, like, gotta know I'm with you.

[A]

Something like that.

[B]

So it's like, how is you?

[A]

How is you goofy? Yes.

[B]

I've been practicing this little goofy goof your whole life. It's the.

[A]

You've been.

[B]

All right. I did. That didn't. That didn't feel good that you kind of did. Like I have to.

[A]

I kinda.

[B]

I have to give you that one.

[A]

I do. I feel like I actually don't.

[B]

That was kind of. Wow. Wow. Delish.

[A]

Thank you. Wowzers.

[B]

Okay, so yes, but a goofy movie.

[A]

It was good. It is really.

[B]

And also it's turning 30 this year.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. So it's the 30th anniversary. That's why we're doing this.

[B]

That is why we're doing it.

[A]

We're trying to celebrate 30th anniversary of a goofy movie with none other than black people. Because we love.

[B]

We do. This is like randomly a black staple.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this was your first time watching it now?

[A]

This is my first time seeing it. So I've never seen it before. Today we watched it today in preparation for this podcast. And it broke my heart a lot more than I anticipated it breaking my heart.

[B]

I don't remember it being this much of an emotional roller coaster as a kid. I think I was just watching it for the cartoon of it and I'm like, oh, Max is kind of an asshole.

[A]

Max is like aggressively an asshole. And Goofy's commitment to, like connecting with his child, even in the face of him treating him like was really doing something. My 30 year old heart. Maybe if I had seen it younger, you know, if I seen it right. If I had seen it, you know, sure. At 11, like, whatever. I'd be like, whatever. Yeah. Like, he is. He's annoying. He wants to go to the party.

[B]

Why would you not? Roxanne is right there, dad.

[A]

You don't see, but maybe if you.

[B]

Had a girl you were obsessed with, you would understand, but you don't.

[A]

So don't even act like you know what it's like to have a girl.

[B]

Exactly. He doesn't.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Unclear where Mrs. Goof is. I thought she died. I have a memory in my brain of her being dead right unaddressed in the movie. And I don't know, I think in the. There's an extremely goofy movie which is a sequel. And maybe they address it there, but I distinctly remember Mrs. Goofy. Mrs. Goof.

[A]

Miss Goof.

[B]

Yeah, Miss Goof being gone.

[A]

Madam Goof.

[B]

Madame Goof.

[A]

Madame Goof. Yes.

[B]

Madame Goose.

[A]

But. Yes.

[B]

But this movie, very fun and surprisingly black. Black, not black.

[A]

So, okay. Because it was my first time coming into it, I expected it to be a lot blacker. I will say.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it wasn't not black at all. And in fact, I see how people see it as like, the music is very black. The Tevin Campbell of it all is very black. Like, lots of the characters read as black, but Goofy nor Max read as black at all.

[B]

Like me when we're like watching the opening scene, like, you see him go through the town and they're due. The town feels very ethnic. Like, there's like lots of like, black people.

[A]

Multiracial. Yeah.

[B]

I think Pete is Latino, which I'm from Missouri.

[A]

You know, people think Ariana Grande is Latino. Same thing.

[B]

I was like, you know, I don't know. So, yeah, I was like, it feels like they're. These people are distinctly not white.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But yeah, Max and Goofy. Specifically Goofy. I think Max has a little bit of like, all right, maybe a white kid who grew up with black kids.

[A]

Right, right. A white kid that grew up is actually what Max seems like to me.

[B]

Yes, because it's funny. Like, the very. The dream sequence literally has, like, a white jumpsuit and he's, like, looking up at Roxanne. He's dressed like Jodeci. Like, there's a Jodeci music video where he's wearing, like, a white. You know what I mean? Like, and that is what Mex. It looks like he is a white kid who grew up on mtv.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. Back when MTV did have a lot more blackness to it. Yes, yes. The 90s was a much blacker decade. And even the early 2000s was a lot blacker than what we have today. What media is today? You know, it feels like media is a lot more segregated today.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Or I'm trying to think, because media also felt segregated. Thin, though. But it felt like celebrations of blackness, you know, because, like, upn. White people weren't watching upn.

[B]

I know what you mean, though. Like, it feels like. And maybe this, the, The. The blackness of the show is a testament to that. Blackness felt mainstream and ubiquitous. Mainstream in a way that.

[A]

That's fair.

[B]

Now I think everything, every, like everything's an echo chamber now. So you go to wherever you need to go to find your thing. And I think that that makes it very niche. And, and, and, well, you know what? Okay, maybe a controversial take. Hot take. I wonder if gay culture, queer culture is the new black culture. Because I think queer culture now is like the kind of ubiquitous, like, drag races every there where like, like the slang that people use is like kind of queer coded black femmes. Black film. I'm sorry. Black again, still rooted in blackness, but like, like, because a lot of queer culture is just regurgitated black queer culture, which is just regurgitated black women culture. But, you know, you know, it's just black femmes. I feel like black femme culture.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, I wonder if that's kind of where we are now. Whereas I feel like blackness felt. I don't know. I don't. I'm kind of losing the train of thought there, but.

[A]

No, I think I understand what you're saying. It feels like blackness. Back in the 90s and the 2000s, as. As far as the media went with regard to blackness was like a lot more. It was a lot more ubiquitous, like we said, or a lot more uniform. Should I say 1 and 2. It wasn't rooted in trauma. It was like joy. A lot of. Lot. A lot of black joy. A lot of celebration. And today it feels like an echo chamber one. So, like, you find your niche of Blackness as I have a LOL podcast. Lol. You find your niche of blackness wherever you find it, but also a lot of mainstream blackness is rooted in life steeped in trauma and hardship.

[B]

Yeah. Struggle or some type of, like, not crime, but, you know, I mean, like, some type of, like, struggle story that is, like, not fun.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Where I feel like this or even, like, the early 2000s was, like, girlfriends or things like that were just, like, regular, everyday black people just existing, having fun. And, like, their troubles were, like, everyday troubles.

[A]

Exactly. Their blackness just is. It is not a plot point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just is.

[B]

Yeah. They're just not a black people doing these things.

[A]

Which I thoroughly enjoyed. And a goofy movie kind of feels like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It kind of feels like it's not paying attention to race, and therefore blackness is just a part of the world. You know what I mean? Like, it just is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's, like, not.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's not devoid of blackness at all.

[B]

No.

[A]

And it is not like Goofy. That's a nigga. It's not like that either, you know.

[B]

No. You know what? While we were watching. You brought up a good point. It's like Goofy feels like the Cosby version of the Cosby Show.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Yes. Not.

[A]

Not the weird man.

[B]

Of course not. But yeah, it feels like he is. Like, he went to that kind of school of fatherhood, like that kind of TV dad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the Carl Winslow. Is it Carl. Carl Winslow. It's, like, very. That type of dad who's just like a. A loving, kind of dopey dad who just really does a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you have this bratty teenage son, which I know, Max. I feel bad because I get it. I rem being a teen, and I, too, is a little dick, but, like, a little dick.

[A]

Lol. It was.

[B]

It was a little dick, but I feel like Goofy's really trying to bond with his son, and, like, I don't know. I mean, I feel like a lot of times men will be like, legacy, legacy, legacy. And I feel like Goofy was about that life.

[A]

He really was.

[B]

Really was. He was like, this was. Me and my dad went on this road trip, and I'm trying to take.

[A]

I'm trying to take you on this road trip and go to Yosemite and Fish, too.

[B]

You know what you want to do? Chase.

[A]

You want to chase Roxanne. That's all you worried about. Roxanne.

[B]

Roxanne crazy. I mean, to be fair, Roxanne is baddie. She's kind of.

[A]

She's a baddie. I understand. I I totally understand that. Roxanne does seem black. Roxanne seems biracial.

[B]

I. Yeah, biracial. Because we met Roxanne's dad. Yeah. And like.

[A]

And that wasn't a black man. He had an orange mohawk, which I mean, maybe is.

[B]

Black people can have orange mohawks too.

[A]

Can definitely.

[B]

You're right. It's not right.

[A]

But it's not.

[B]

But in general. I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah. Roxanne definitely gives. I think she is the reason like, like black men today are like obsessed with like light skinned women. Because she definitely is like, like, you know, I mean, she gets like, quote unquote exotic and I feel like she is like every straight black boy's first.

[A]

Right.

[B]

She got a little like mole. Like. I mean. Yeah, it's a little like. All right. And so, yes, the pipeline. Just like the. The Roxanna IG baddy pipeline is right there. Right there.

[A]

Wow. Wow, wow. No, that is very true. Not. The mouse brought colorism to the black community.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

It's like Ronald Reagan and crack.

[B]

That's. Yeah, that's what Walt Disney.

[A]

Oh, you.

[B]

Hey, when you really peel behind that mouse.

[A]

That mouse. Mouse you. I know you paying for your. Right now, Walter.

[B]

I mean, that's if he's dead. You know, he. He tried to freeze him. You never heard that theory?

[A]

Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like cryogenically froze his body or something. And they're waiting until science catches up and he can turn his brain back on.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Or like put a brain into him. That works.

[B]

Whatever Walter is. He's on ice. He's coming back.

[A]

Oh my go. We don't want. Oh my God. What if Elon Musk is Walt Disney? Disney, honestly, put a different. They put a robot brain in them and that's why he acts like that.

[B]

Makes too much sense.

[A]

Honestly.

[B]

Honestly. Kind of scared, cuz I'm like, you.

[A]

Know what conspiracy theory.

[B]

Put your little tin hats on.

[A]

Yeah, we got the tin hats, baby. That was a good one.

[B]

Fully could see that unfortunately, cuz. Yeah. Cuz who else would have this like weirdly fantastic mind? Fantastic as in like thinking of like abstract things?

[A]

Yes, fantasy. Fantastic.

[B]

And yeah. Because if you really look at Fantasia, that. That old school Disney movie kind of scary. And I feel like when you look at Tesla, kind of scary.

[A]

Well, well now, hey now, hey now. This is what nightmares are made of. Yeah.

[B]

Wow. Wait. Kind of love that remix.

[A]

Hey now, hey now.

[B]

Tesla's what nightmares are made of.

[A]

That cyber truck. Are you. Are you one of the boys that like cybertruck. Because every boy that I speak to.

[B]

Is like, are you being funny?

[A]

No, I'm not.

[B]

Oh, I have a theory that they're all lying. I think anyone who says they like it, I think they're trying to gaslight you.

[A]

Have you talked to a straight man lately?

[B]

I think they're all lying. I have. I've legitimately.

[A]

And you and you have heard them say yes.

[B]

And I feel like they're trolling me. I legitimately, like, I remember when they first popped off, I was talking to two of my straight friends and they were like. And I was like, you're being funny. There's no way.

[A]

Until they all were saying, yes. I'm prompted like, look at the car.

[B]

And go, yes, what about it? What?

[A]

Cool.

[B]

What about it is cool? It look, it looks silly. It literally looks like, like, like a four year old drew a car.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

That's.

[A]

It looks bad to me, but I agree. But no, no, no, no. I've heard enough straight men at this point be like, it's really cool. Like, they whisper what is cool? It's really cool. And I'm like, why?

[B]

Yeah, like they mean something inside of it is cool.

[A]

No, no, they definitely mean the way it looks on the outside when it's driving around.

[B]

Is it possible, like, you know how like color theory where it's like, your orange is not my orange?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you think that straight boys look at the. The cyber trucks and see something completely different?

[A]

Maybe. So Maybe. Maybe. Okay. May do with like comic books or something. You read comic books? Yeah.

[B]

I mean, no. Oh, this is the. I. I read. I read a couple of mangas. Yes, but not comic books. Not like straight up comic books.

[A]

No, I do know color theory. Maybe they are seeing something that we are not seeing.

[B]

What about. So you're thinking like, because they read comic books, it changes their brain chemistry.

[A]

I'm thinking like, no, just like maybe they saw something that looked like that. Maybe it was like a futuristic car. And they're like, wow, that's it. You know, it's the Batmobile. Exactly, exactly. Something like that. Something wrong.

[B]

But I understand how they arrive and sure, that's what makes you happy.

[A]

What am I to tell you? I mean, you know, that man is objectively horrible and yeah, no. Which you wish they know. Which is why they're whispering.

[B]

Can you guess?

[A]

It's cute. You know they're whispering.

[B]

They can't say it out loud.

[A]

No, they're not like, oh, I'm about to buy a cyber truck. But they're like, I would I do see it. And I'm like, damn, I hate that for you.

[B]

I do. But back to Goofy.

[A]

Yes, Goofy and the Goofy movie. Who do you think is the real villain in the movie? Is it Goofy? Is it Pete? Okay, Is it Max? Is it the principal? Is it Roxanne?

[B]

So, okay, there are a couple of villains.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

I think the principal one, because the principal off Rip Max was just doing a fun little skit. He was dancing and singing on stage. And then he. He calls Goofy and is like. The principal calls Goofy and is like, your son's a gangster. He caused a riot. Gangster racist.

[A]

Why? People like Max is black.

[B]

That right. They feel for him because they're like, I too had a white principal who looked at me doing normal kids.

[A]

Dumb kid and black gang member.

[B]

But Tommy. Yeah, Tommy from. He's.

[A]

He's over there doing the bonds with his grease back hair. He's just a school guy, right?

[B]

Literally bleachers. And he's just like, boys will be boys.

[A]

He has a leather jacket. He's kind of an all American bad boy, you know, it's an all American bad boy. He's not a.

[B]

It's a. There's some good people on both sides.

[A]

Not a gang.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

There's some very good people on both sides. There's some very good people on both sides.

[B]

That's a good truck.

[A]

And people never give me my trump. But I'm like, yeah, no, I think I have a good.

[B]

Pretty good job.

[A]

Thank you. But yeah, no, that's what I was giving. I definitely think the principal is one of the villains.

[B]

And not for sure, because also, like, like, you're not calling me about this school. It was the end of the school year, about to go on summer vacation.

[A]

Let the kids go, nigga. I have a job.

[B]

I am done at the JCPenney working my ass. Also very black of Goofy to work at the jcp.

[A]

Ye getting smacked by his boss. Wait, was this boss Pete?

[B]

I don't think Pete is actually his boss. I think they are co workers and Pete is just an baby.

[A]

Imagine you at work and you getting on your co workers nerve. So he. He all off and smacked the dog out.

[B]

Literally the dog.

[A]

Literally the dog out of Go Pop.

[B]

And you know how Goofy ate that?

[A]

He just.

[B]

He took it.

[A]

Goofy eat them.

[B]

He don't give a. Don't mean to me.

[A]

I eat those. I don't care about that said Goofy. Wow. I not mad at it.

[B]

Crazy. Yeah.

[A]

Principal is a. Is a villain. Pete is a villain. Keep your hands to yourself, okay?

[B]

Yeah. Pete should not have hit Goofy.

[A]

Don't touch Goofy.

[B]

But Pete had Goofy's back.

[A]

So did he have his back?

[B]

Pete went and told Goofy about.

[A]

No, but he say that. Did he say it in a like, I have your back here. You really need to know this piece of information or was he trying to hurt Goofy's feelings?

[B]

Damn. Pete's just an.

[A]

Pete's an unforged.

[B]

Yeah, it's crazy, cuz. Pj, Pete's son, who is Max's friends.

[A]

Sweet kid. I really like pj. He seems like a really cute, sweet kid.

[B]

Maybe he. I hope he doesn't grow up to be like his dad. His dad. Okay. Also a villain. But I don't think any of them are as big as a villain as Max.

[A]

Max.

[B]

Awful.

[A]

One thing about me. You don't like kids. I don't. I hate teenagers.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

If there's an age group that I actually dislike.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

It is from about the ages of. I'll even say 12 just to really capture them.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

To all the way up to probably about 24.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Right. Probably. All right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From 12 to 24, you're a teenager.

[B]

And you're gonna be a.

[A]

You are a piece of garbage. In fact, it's probably worse with each passing year at that age because you think that you know so much.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

But. And you think that you're so cool and smart.

[B]

When do you finally realize you don't. Because I agree.

[A]

When you have one big traumatic thing happen to you and you cannot get yourself out of that is when you. I think so. And you just have to kind of let it pass and you realize like.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

That happened to me in 2019. I was 25.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That was me.

[B]

What was it? If you don't.

[A]

I was just. It was honestly nothing actually happening to me. I just wanted another job really bad and I could not find one for one year and nine months. And I was just crying, hyperventilating. It was just like.

[B]

Like, I remember.

[A]

Very hard time.

[B]

I think the. Not. There was one phone call, remember? I was like, oh, I think it was the first time you ever called me crying. I do remember this phone call. I was like, oh, whoa.

[A]

I was panicking. You sent me a Popeye's chicken sandwich.

[B]

Did I.

[A]

Forgot.

[B]

That was when it was new. That was when people were stabbing people.

[A]

It's when people were stabbing people. So you. You put your life at risk in order to ensure that I put someone's life at risk. Right. You were willing to risk somebody's life to Give me for my.

[B]

I do Okay. I was like, I remember this now. I remember that call. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Because I'm not always the best at dealing emotional.

[A]

You're. You're an Aquarius moon. It's really not too much. Aquarius Rising, Capricorn moon. There's really not much that you can do about that.

[B]

I. I try.

[A]

It's okay. No, you do good. You do good. So Gemini. You. You do really good. You do good.

[B]

But, yes, okay, I do remember this. I'm trying to think of the time that I. I remember the moment I felt like an adult, but I don't think that I remember, like, feeling like it was the time I was like, oh, I can handle things. But I also know I don't know anything more of the story. Max doesn't know anything.

[A]

Max doesn't know anything. He thinks he knows cooler than Goofy, which is just such a loser.

[B]

And it's crazy because at the end of the movie, Roxanne is like, the things I like about you are the things that your dad. In fact, I want to fuck your dad.

[A]

Hello. And I will your dad in front of you if you don't stop fudgeing, lying, and playing with me.

[B]

Kind of neat.

[A]

That's what he does. What she really should have said.

[B]

I need a different type of extremely goofy movie where. Where Roxanne is like a. Yo, Max.

[A]

We taking it extreme with 3X. Extremely goofy movie Roxanne. Wow. Don't even give the porn people.

[B]

They probably ide. I know.

[A]

You know that somebody has dropped dressed up like Roxanne because as we talked about, every first crush is Roxanne from a goofy movie. This movie came out in 92. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, whoa.

[A]

Did it.

[B]

Why do I think. Okay, I did not realize it was, like, early 90s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's no 95, girl.

[A]

Oh, never mind.

[B]

Math.

[A]

30 years.

[B]

I was gonna say. I'm done.

[A]

Yeah. Help me.

[B]

It's. Yeah.

[A]

I'll be needing a little bit.

[B]

30 years is here. It's fine. Yeah. 95. 95.

[A]

Yeah. I came out of 95.

[B]

30 years. I do feel like Max is the biggest villain, because he does. He's going through that teenage phase where he doesn't think his dad's cool. And I do agree. The teenagers think that they know everything. And he is so focused on going to this party with Roxanne. When I'm like, I get it. I do. I understand that this party feels like the end of the world to you.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But you really are gonna Like, I feel like I wish my dad would have like been like, hey, let's go do a road trip.

[A]

I know, right? It's one of those things where as you get older and you see your parents get older, you know you'll have wished that you took that road trip with your dad. And there will have been a plethora of parties that you could attend with. With a plethora of Roxanne's little light skinned baddies. So many of them. You'll be able to find one. He goes to college in the next movie.

[B]

It's gonna be a lot.

[A]

You'll be able to find one. It'll be fine.

[B]

It will be.

[A]

You might not always get your dad a road trip with your dad.

[B]

Goofy could be gone tomorrow.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

The mouse is always got him working. The mouse keeps him at every part. Leave the alone at all.

[A]

He can't retire for, you know, he well past 60.

[B]

And what I'm saying is, you know what he did to Pluto? Pluto's in a doghouse. Your dad is one hop jump in a skip away from the doghous bags. So while you're playing games, your dad could be in a doghouse and you want to go to a party.

[A]

Oh my God. Something that dawned on me during this movie is that Goofy's bald?

[B]

Yeah. No, I did not notice this.

[A]

And it's supposed to be bald because.

[B]

He has like little strings.

[A]

He has a couple like three little cowlicks of hair. And Max has a full head of hair. Right? They all have a head of hair, but not Goofy.

[B]

You know, also, I feel like Max's hairstyle is very boy hair. It's kind of like just like shaved on the sides a little bit.

[A]

Oh, is that his hairstyle? Is it shaved on the side?

[B]

I mean, like, it's like short on the side. It's his ears. Look at him. Like, I feel like.

[A]

Yeah, let me look at cuz. What? I thought his hair was kind of like spiky, like of the time.

[B]

I guess it is that, but it reminds me a little bit of like. Do you remember Hurt bae?

[A]

Oh my God. It is boy. Hurt bae. Whoa.

[B]

Doesn't it kind of look like you.

[A]

Just reminded me of her? I totally forgot about that. Yeah, Max does have like a little side shape like that.

[B]

The sunglasses. Wow.

[A]

The teeth hanging out his mouth backwards. Sunglasses.

[B]

It's so 90s.

[A]

It is very 90s 90s.

[B]

I kind of love it.

[A]

No, this was. That was something that felt very heartwarming watching this. I'm like, wow, this is Such a blast from. Blast from the past. So nostalgic. And I've never seen it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it just has energetically tenants to it. Energetically. It is a very. From the sound of it to the look of.

[B]

Feels like happy childhood. And I. We talked about this a little bit during the movie too. Is that like. Like that type of animation doesn't really exist anymore. Like, everything's kind of 3D or like CGI now, and we don't have that kind of like 2D.

[A]

I love 2D animation.

[B]

I agree. It's so fantastical. It feels beautiful.

[A]

It's like endearing. It's heartwarming. It's nice. And I don't know if that's just because of. It's the era that I grew up in. I wonder if kids that are born, you know, my niece was born in 2012. I'm always like, that's not a birthday. Grow up.

[B]

I agree. 2020.

[A]

Don'T exactly. You know, that you almost didn't make was a baby.

[B]

You know, you almost had.

[A]

Parents were taking a risk trying to get you out here in 2020 12.

[B]

Did they see the movie? Wow. You should. Have you shown her the movie?

[A]

No, she's never. I don't think she's ever seen a goofy.

[B]

You should show her the movie and tell her it's a documentary. You I. Whoa. 100. You should show the movie and be like, this happened.

[A]

This.

[B]

This happened the year you were born.

[A]

Not a goofy movie. You're talking about 2012.

[B]

The movie 2012. Yeah. You want to show her the goofy documentary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, yes, that is. Well.

[A]

But yeah, the movie 2012. Right.

[B]

This happened.

[A]

Did you know that the year that.

[B]

You were born, this what were going crazy.

[A]

What was going on?

[B]

Chanel is awesome.

[A]

I don't know what the hell.

[B]

She grabbed a. A hair tie.

[A]

Okay. Chanel, please. Anyways, yes. Really good movie. It is a good music.

[B]

Okay, let's get into it.

[A]

So.

[B]

Okay. Because one they. I didn't realize that there's more songs than just the T. Campbells, which obviously hits. But there's also cute, like nostalgic.

[A]

It's like a musical.

[B]

Yeah. There's like several songs that I did not remember, but obviously the big hits are the Tevin Campbell Eye to Eye and what is the other one called? Stand Up.

[A]

Stand Out.

[B]

Stand out. Stand Out. That's the one he's doing as a talent show. Stand out is the very first song we hear. Yeah.

[A]

And it's that I understand is why people think the Movie is so black.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I'm like Tevin Campbell singing on anything. Right.

[B]

Really have a good singing voice. You do. And I don't think you've ever, like, put this out.

[A]

People. Don't be trying to give me my credit.

[B]

It.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You don't. You also. You're supposed to say it back.

[A]

To who? To me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

I'm doing karaoke for my birthday this year, and obviously we're gonna do it.

[B]

Yeah, we can. Can. We have to do, like, battling duets.

[A]

Okay. I love that.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

Yeah. Now we're on a tangent, but should I make it an emo karaoke or. No, like, as in everybody has to come dress emo, but you can actually perform whatever songs you want.

[B]

I think the other way makes more sense.

[A]

Which one? You have to perform an emo song.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like.

[A]

I feel like.

[B]

You're right. That's fair. No, this is also a sidebar.

[A]

This is very much a sidebar. But y' all let me know. Y' all sound off. Yeah. You know, message me. You know. You know, my socials and all that. Let me know if y' all think I should do emo karaoke for my birthday.

[B]

Dress up as emo. Actually. Yeah. Kind of.

[A]

Yeah. My concern is that.

[B]

Don't know what emo looks like.

[A]

Not my friends. They don't be knowing emo music to. To do emo. They will know how to dress the part. But if I'm like, you can only do emo songs. They'll be like. Like Misery Business by Paramore. Misery Business by Paramore.

[B]

I write since I tragedies.

[A]

Well, imagine. Yeah, people know that one.

[B]

That was a hit. Big hit.

[A]

Anyway, sorry.

[B]

Sorry about it. Sorry about that.

[A]

Kevin Campbell. Kevin Campbell. Also saying, can we talk?

[B]

Which I don't think I realized.

[A]

So.

[B]

I know Tevin Campbell by name.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

As in I recognize the brand because it is not Telfar.

[A]

Wow. Yes.

[B]

Literally is.

[A]

I'm surprised Tevin Campbell did not suit.

[B]

I don't. Well, I thought at this point that symbol looks more like Telfar.

[A]

That.

[B]

Yeah. So I didn't realize that was his song. I know that song, obviously, but. And now that I hear it, it sounds so much like Power Line.

[A]

Tevin Campbell was a really big deal in the 90s. You remember who was on the episode of Fresh Prince of Bel Air where things to Ashley. Happy birthday. She faints.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Because that is, like, her number one crush. He was like a heartthrob in the 90s. Like Kevin Tevin. Campbell. And I don't know if he's out.

[B]

He's gay.

[A]

You tell me.

[B]

Oh, let's.

[A]

I don't want to say. You tell me.

[B]

That's a room.

[A]

But I don't know. This little.

[B]

Let me look at the eyes.

[A]

It's always, you know, like.

[B]

You know what? He does look like John Waters. Do you know. Do you know that is.

[A]

No.

[B]

He's like a very old gay man. Gay white man.

[A]

Okay. He looks like a gay white man.

[B]

That photo makes me think of him. You see what I'm saying?

[A]

This is insane.

[B]

If you look at this and, like, think. Think 20 years younger and a.

[A]

No, I.

[B]

Definitely similar. And this is like, a famously gay man. Like, he's famous for, like, a lot of, like, very queer campy movies.

[A]

I really don't want to sit here and say that Tevin Campbell is gay because perhaps. Right. I don't know if he's out. Let's. If he's out.

[B]

As crazy as if. Sorry, when you say it that way, it makes it sound like, you know, he's gay. He's not. Like, that makes it worse.

[A]

No, I have no idea if Tevin Campbell is gay. I. I speculate.

[B]

Yes. He came out in 2022.

[A]

Okay. So, yeah, he came out recently. I kind of remember being, like, some public discourse. I remember there being like, some. Some pieces around that.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

About him being gay. But I remember in the 90s, watching him on that episode of Fresh Prince. I mean, like, that's a gay man. Oh, that's a gay teenager.

[B]

You're like.

[A]

Like.

[B]

I was like, she's like. She loves her bestie.

[A]

I was like. I was like, actually, he's gay, sweetie.

[B]

Well, but, you know, when girls are young like that. I had a girlfriend. She didn't know.

[A]

Does she not know? You know what I mean? I don't know what you mean by that. I don't know what you mean by that.

[B]

I couldn't fathom. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, she would. Yeah, she wouldn't. She wouldn't know.

[A]

No, it's just like, I get it. Yeah. I don't feel like I've, you know, she didn't.

[B]

You, like, you weren't around him and go. I just feel really safe.

[A]

Oh, my God. You are such a safe place. I love. But yeah. Tevin Campbell. Love that, you know, out gay man, 20, 22. Happy for him.

[B]

Let's look it up. He's got to be.

[A]

He has to be like, 40, 48. Okay.

[B]

48.

[A]

Yeah. So. Oh, my God. So he only came out probably publicly. Maybe he's been out without telling the Internet.

[B]

Right, right. The world as a famous person.

[A]

Yeah. But like, yeah, so good for him.

[B]

Also, looking at him in the Can We Talk? Music video, he. He's cute.

[A]

He's handsome. Very, absolutely handsome.

[B]

I'm. I'm telling you, I don't think I realized what he looked like.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I only know him as an entity. And I'm like, I don't think I actually knew what he looked like. And I'm like, he is handsome even today. But I'm like, specifically, like, as a. Like a young adult.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He's like. I'm like, oh, very attractive.

[A]

He's really handsome. And he can sing. You know, he can have whatever draws he wanted, which.

[B]

Who.

[A]

Whomever draws he chose.

[B]

Box.

[A]

He was singing.

[B]

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The Flop House. New episodes every Saturday. Find [e-mail] obviously, power line is like the. The big draw, I think for like black people with this movie. And you called it out. And I didn't want to, like, I was like, I want to talk about it here. You're like, this is Bobby Brown. And so the character is based on a combination of Michael Jackson, Bobby Brown and Prince.

[A]

So I called that out. Do y' all see my cultural references? Truly don't ever play with me.

[B]

You were. And you know what? Even more so, there's a. Although not confirmed, it is a popular belief that Bobby Brown was the originally cast person for it and he stepped down. So, like lots of their, like, it's like mixed reports on like if he was actually cast for it, it. But apparently Bobby Brown laid down songs for it that were going to be different to what we actually got. And he backed it at the last minute because he had his bad boy image at the time.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then they picked up Tammy Campbell to pick up the songs.

[A]

And what did I say in the end when we were looking at him on stage? I'm like, look at this villain looking ass. And Bobby Brown was a villain at that time. He was a bad boy at the time. I know it was Bobby Brown because of the shoulder pads.

[B]

And.

[A]

I don't. What was that lightning bolt? Yeah, Something on the side of his head. Yes. I'm like, but I know Bobby Brown when I see Bobby Brown. That's definitely him. Villain look and all.

[B]

Can you imagine a world where Powerline was Bobby Brown?

[A]

You know what? Okay. One of my hot takes. And this really isn't that hot of A take. But it seems to be amongst our generation, Bobby Brown is one of the best performers of all time.

[B]

Okay. I. I don't have a.

[A]

It's because we don't go back and look.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But when I have. Because I watched. I went through a whole little New Edition phase when the New Edition movie came out. Out, and, you know, Bobby Brown was a new addition. And so then naturally, I kind of transitioned to a Bobby Brown face. I was like, yo, really? That stage performance, stage value, stage presence unmatched, especially.

[B]

I can imagine. But men nuts.

[A]

That went crazy.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Then it wasn't like he had, like, strong vocals or anything necessarily, but just, like, the stage presence on that one.

[B]

It's like when you're w. You're like, oh, I'm watching you.

[A]

I was like, yo. Oh, Bobby Brown. Like, I get it. I get it. And he wasn't, like, particularly cute. I'm so sorry.

[B]

No, but I feel like at the time. No, I meant that's not where I was going.

[A]

Brown was never particularly.

[B]

I admit, at the time, I don't think you. Because TV was. We didn't have hd. You didn't have.

[A]

That's fair. So you couldn't see him for real.

[B]

Right. You just needed to have kind of, like, a shape.

[A]

And he was right. He was. He. I think that's all you really need in shape. And he was really confident. Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And there. That was really all that was necessary into it. That's what Max needs to understand. Understand is that confidence is all that's necessary. And you don't have to do all the faking and lying. And he was outright lying.

[B]

He lied to Roxane and his.

[A]

And his dad.

[B]

And his dad lied throughout the whole movie. Like, insane. Because why. He's. Yeah, I'm going to California with my dad. And also my dad knows Power Line. And also we're gonna get on stage and say. I'm like, shut up.

[A]

Like, why did you just make that up out of thin air, out of nowhere? What. Where did that come from? Where did it come. That was. So y' all not going to Los Angeles? First of all, you're not. You don't know that at all. And you definitely not about to get on stage. And then you have the audacity to thr. Throw in. I'll wave at you from on stage. So now she's gonna be watching, looking for you to make sure that you waiver.

[B]

And you know she's gonna tell people. And now I look dumb because I've told all my friends oh, I'm about to get a shout out from Max.

[A]

From, my man, my man, my man.

[B]

And now we're watching this. And now what? And then, you know, we have to go to school together.

[A]

Now they're making fun of her, talking about, that's not your man, right?

[B]

Because where is he?

[A]

Where is he?

[B]

Like your boyfriend.

[A]

Your boyfriend. Your little boyfriend, right, who goes to another school very much. Your little boyfriend goes to another school.

[B]

Actively insane. And now I look stupid. Now I have transfer schools.

[A]

And, like, something else about Max. None of his lies made enough sense. Like, I'm like, this is so teenager. And this is why teenagers piss me off. Y' all be doing to seem cool. And it doesn't. It's mag. You end up looking incredibly stupid. Because anybody with a brain, AKA I don't want to say anybody over the age of 25. I don't want to age him. Y' all have brains under 25.

[B]

Y' all really do. Underdevelopment.

[A]

Flipped. Literally, quite literally, right? A little literally here. But, you know, once you. Once you snap into it, you know, you're into. You look back and you'd be like, now why the Did I say that, dumbass? To that girl?

[B]

Truly. Truly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's so many times you look back and, like, that was, like. Didn't even make sense.

[A]

There was. I did in my 20s where I look back, I tried. I'm actively still trying to scrub it from my brain right now. You ever have those?

[B]

No.

[A]

I do.

[B]

I yell at myself. I'm like, what the? Like, it'll be something, like, from, like, 2016. And I'm like, like, why did you say that? You dumb? And I'm like, ryan, that. Literally, that person is not thinking about that. But I will get a flash of. It'll, like. It'll, like, touch me in my.

[A]

While I'm sleeping. Like, literally.

[B]

Why would you.

[A]

Dumbass. Oh, my God. And that's exactly what Max is going to be like when he gets older and he thinks back about that. Dumb. He said to Roxanne, he's going to be like, why the.

[B]

Did I say.

[A]

Why did I say that? And him thinking he could change the trajectory of the trip by simply drawing on the map that, like, your dad.

[B]

Is going to look at that and know that Yosemite is not Los Angeles.

[A]

Can he not read?

[B]

Like, damn, he's goofy, but he is not dumb. What? And then he gave you an out. He told you, like, hey, all right, navigator. And you lied.

[A]

Let me know where you're. Where we're going, see? And this is like, kids always think they can outsmart their damn parents.

[B]

And they always.

[A]

They always know, don't you? Not outsmarting your parents. They know. They probably ran. All the same. They know all the dumb. They look back at the dumb and be like, that was so stupid. And now they're watching you do it in their face right now, and they have secondhand embarrassment. They're cringing, but they're also offended because that you think that they're so stupid.

[B]

Do you think they're more annoyed that you think I'm stupid or more like. I'm gonna let you figure it out because I feel like I would want to see you do something dumb because I'm like, you'll learn. I. That's the kind of parent I would want to be.

[A]

No, that's fair.

[B]

I'm like, please.

[A]

I do think trial by fire is a very fair way to parent your. As long as it's safe. I'm gonna. I'm gonna let you make a fool of yourself, Especially if I tell you, you like, okay, that's not gonna go the way that you think it is. And then you do it anyways. I'm not gonna harp on it. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna be mad if you do it. You got it.

[B]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What do I know?

[A]

What do I know? Who am I looking for?

[B]

The guy.

[A]

Hey, hey. I don't know. Yeah, but, yeah, that was Max. He was definitely the worst, I think, for sure. Most villainous, insufferable character.

[B]

Insufferable is hard because he came back and apologized. I do think in the end, it became sweet.

[A]

I didn't forgive him.

[B]

Oh, whoa.

[A]

Maybe I'll forgive him in an extremely goofy movie. Maybe if it's. Maybe if it's clear he's really learned that lesson, and he does not find his dad to be an annoying burden anymore.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

See, to be fair, I want a different plot line, because that one's breaking my heart.

[B]

I will argue, you know, sequels often are cash grabs. The sequel is Max Goes to College, and, well, Goofy becomes more annoying. Max goes to college, and then Goofy decides that he also wants to go to college because he never finished.

[A]

Oh, I. Oh, yeah, I am right.

[B]

And so then he goes and he kind of makes a fool of himself at school, and I'm like, yeah.

[A]

Have you ever heard of flounderization?

[B]

What the is that?

[A]

Let me make sure.

[B]

In short, no, I don't know it flounder.

[A]

I Say, let me make sure that that is actually flanderization.

[B]

What the is that?

[A]

Flanderization is the process through which a single element of a character's personality, often an originally mild element, is inflated in importance over the course of a work until it become the character. Until it becomes the character's primary. Defining the Urkel effect.

[B]

Urkel was kind of funny.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And then it became the show. And that's why the show was exactly. Landerization.

[A]

Yeah. It's like Ned Flanders. It's named after a character in the Simpsons.

[B]

Ned Flanders. Yeah.

[A]

Who went on. Who, like, started off as one thing.

[B]

And then it kind of became his thing.

[A]

And that happens in so much tv. I think about. You say you didn't even like the show.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like that. We might have to cut that if you don't want that to be known. Boy Meets World.

[B]

Does that bother me? No.

[A]

I mean, it's.

[B]

I didn't like Boy Meets World. What are you gonna do about it? Yeah, I don't care.

[A]

Eric from Boy Meets World.

[B]

Which kind of dumb?

[A]

He was kind of dumb, and then he was ridiculously.

[B]

Yeah, I remember that because he was never.

[A]

It was like, oh, he's bumbling. Like, he, like.

[B]

Yeah, he became like an idiot. He was. He was kind of like, maybe airheaded, maybe. And he became an idiot.

[A]

And that happened to a lot. Lot of characters.

[B]

Kim Parker on Moesha. Like, when she. When they went to the Parkers, she became an idiot. And I'm like, she wasn't.

[A]

She wasn't dumb. She was a little airheaded.

[B]

And she was just, like, more ghetto than she was.

[A]

Right. But she was not dumb. And then they just really leaned in on that dumb. I feel like Chelsea from that's so Raven probably had a dumber. Got, like, really dumb. Like, and it feels like it's always that dumbness that is, like, played up and that feels like. Is what happens to goofy based on what you're saying. Like, he gets dumber.

[B]

Milk becomes very. That. And. Yeah. And I'm like. And it makes. I'm like, I get why Max is In the first movie. Max is wrong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the second movie, I'm like, goofy, you are being annoyed.

[A]

Like, you're annoying. Yeah.

[B]

At this point, it's like, yeah. Because they add more. Like, let's do more. I've never heard that, but correct.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He gets Flanders.

[A]

I remember hearing about that in, like, multimedia class or something in college and being like, yes. I can think of a few examples.

[B]

Dumb, too.

[A]

I don't know. Well, I Guess that's comedic relief. Like, they're like, oh, maybe that's.

[B]

It's a.

[A]

It's cheap play up the dumb way to write. Oh my God. People say that about spongebob Bob. And that's why we feel how we feel about spongebob. Probably. People say spongebob just like kept getting dumber and dumber and dumber to where spongebob was unrecognizable in some of the later seasons versus like the beginning. Yes.

[B]

Cuz I'm like, to be fair, we've talked about that. I don't like it. So I don't know if he got.

[A]

I don't like. I did like spongebob. It just was never something that was like. It was never my preferred. I. I was a Rugrats kid. Rugrats was my favorite show and SpongeBob was everybody else's favorite show. And so I'll watch it and I'd be like, huh?

[B]

Like, okay, yeah, same if it was on. I'm like, I won't turn it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. I'm never picking, like, I'm never gonna.

[A]

Actively go out of my way looking for spongebob. If there's nothing else on and it's on Nickelodeon, I'm gonna watch Nickelodeon. Sure.

[B]

I'm not about to go see a spongebob movie. That sounds.

[A]

Hell, I did see the spongebob movie and I will say the spongebob movie is better than the show. Oh me. The spongebob movie is better than the show. It feels like I should have been rated PG 13. I think it's rated PG. But if it was giving, there was like the end part where Patrick becomes a stripper and he has on the I'm so fishnet tights.

[B]

That's from the movie.

[A]

Yes, that is.

[B]

I've seen the meme. Yeah. Sexy Patrick or whatever.

[A]

Yes, it was from the movie.

[B]

They.

[A]

Somebody didn't make that up. That's from the movie. Also, at the end of the day.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Was Roxanne worth goofy hurting his goddamn dad's feelings and taking him across the damn country and doing all the Is. Was the party worth it? Was wrestling worth it?

[B]

Clicks did you get the girl?

[A]

Did you get the guy? Did you get the engagement.

[B]

To me? No. I mean. Well, all's well that ends well. Max gets a girl. He does seem happy. But what I am saying is, is I think all high school and college relationships deserve a break. Even if they are the person for you. I'm not saying that they're not your person. That is Possible. What I'm saying is, is that if they are their person, you will come back to them and it'll be fine. You should break up with.

[A]

Deeply, wholeheartedly. Could not agree with more with you.

[B]

Yeah, it feels like a really. And I get when you're young, you think this is your world and I understand because your world is small. Your world is limited. So you really think this person is the end all. Be all. There are probably so many people like that person and that person is not even who they are going to be.

[A]

There's people who are better for you certainly. And you won't be able to find them because you're hung up on Roxanne.

[B]

Roxanne. And I'm like girl. And she seems sweet, cute. I. I don't know. She seemed lovely.

[A]

Seems a lovely perhaps. Yeah, she had.

[B]

She seemed. She had a good friend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe sm. Maybe.

[A]

Perhaps.

[B]

Can't tell.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

However, spending time with your dad's more important. No, I would say not worth it.

[A]

It's always. Yeah, I agree. It just wasn't worth the potential trauma that you put your relationship through. You really hurt your dad's feelings.

[B]

I felt for Goofy.

[A]

No, I really so many times this movie made it clear to me that Goofy is my favorite Disney character. Like, he's so endearing. His eyes are really expressive. Like the way that they draw. Goofy's face is particularly expressive to me. He's just so kind and patient and he just really wants to connect with his child. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like in a way that like it was really lovely to see a father be so like, oh, I just want to bond with my son in a sweet way. And like I feel like he never felt like he was like trying to force Max to be anything he wasn't. Even when he gave Max the chance to. To say like, do the right thing, he's like, all right, I guess we're gonna.

[A]

He got. I guess go do the. I guess that's what it was. And the movie really made me want to go to Disneyland, which I guess that's what that mouse does. You saw the drop you in a world. They had all the Disney Easter eggs in Disneyland that they didn't clear that didn't. They didn't say was Disneyland, but that was Disneyland.

[B]

You cuz you know when you've seen it, you put Disney.

[A]

Yeah, I know Disneyland when I see Disneyland.

[B]

Marketing genius. You know what the mouse.

[A]

Hey, the mouse.

[B]

The mouse knows how to market.

[A]

Hey. Real bad. Yeah. Cuz I. I need a beignet from Princess Tiana Land.

[B]

Crazy. If you say that and you've never seen that movie. Don't do that.

[A]

That I've been to New Orleans, me. I know they. Okay, thank you. Okay. You said you had a game.

[B]

I do, I do, I do.

[A]

Okay, so I'm excited in the.

[B]

In light of characters who are non human that feel black.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have a list of cartoon characters and I want you to tell me if you think they're black or not.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[B]

Okay. So I have.

[A]

I'm so excited. Excited.

[B]

I have photos and then, and then.

[A]

You say if you think you're. They're black or not.

[B]

Okay. We'll discuss together. Okay, so first one, Bugs Bunny, black or not black. Knock. I. Okay. I feel he's always getting. Hi, Jinx. He's always in a little bit of trouble.

[A]

O.

[B]

Never mind. I don't want to put that on black people.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

Yeah, he's always in trouble.

[A]

He's always. That trick.

[B]

Like the cops are constantly after. I'm going to say I'm not black. Spicy white.

[A]

Spicy white.

[B]

Spicy white.

[A]

I. I'd say Italian.

[B]

Italian.

[A]

That's an Italian.

[B]

That's an Italian.

[A]

Yeah, that's an Italian man, for sure. Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Second up, Lola Bunny.

[A]

Black, Black.

[B]

Oh, crazy to me. Lola Bunny, Lola already. That sounds Latina to me. She gets Latina black.

[A]

Oh, you're like, okay, that's a. Yeah.

[B]

Elmo. Black, black, black, black.

[A]

Elmo Black as hell.

[B]

Elmo is like certainly a black three year old baby. Like, stop playing with me.

[A]

The blackest.

[B]

The way he be trying to fight. Rocco done hate him. He hates him. Go immediately on site.

[A]

So nice and warm. Any other time. And get that rock out of here.

[B]

Skeeter from Doug Black, of course. Do you know this character?

[A]

Is that Goku?

[B]

It is the right show, but that is.

[A]

Oh, it's Vegeta.

[B]

It's not. No, this is Piccolo.

[A]

I would never. I would never come up with that. But just looking at Piccolo, that looked like a. To me.

[B]

This is a prison. Piccolo has been in jail. Piccolo is built. Piccolo has done some time.

[A]

That's a.

[B]

That's a certainly. Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Spongebob. We brought him up.

[A]

Sponge. I'm gonna say no, but Squidward is black. Spongebob is not. But Squidward is black.

[B]

I don't. I don't think that. I think either of them are black.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think Plankton might be black because he'd be. He don't put up with. He don't put up with none of them. He's angry, he's annoyed with that I'm screaming. I do think that spongebob might have a touch of the tizzy. Yeah, certainly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's representation.

[A]

Yeah, that is representation. Yeah.

[B]

Cookie Monster black.

[A]

Really? Yeah. I think most of the Sesame street characters are black. They read. Most of them read pretty black to me.

[B]

Me. Okay. I think he might be the last one. Oh, and then the last one is Tom.

[A]

Jerry. You look like Jerry from Tom and Jerry. If y' all have not seen Erykah Badu drag. What's that name?

[B]

Academics Drag.

[A]

DJ academics. To Helen. Back within an inch of his ass life.

[B]

She plants the seed so early. She goes, you remind me of somebody. Literally.

[A]

Literally. He's interviewing her like, this is a serious interview, Right. And she's like, you're my. At the dead beginning. Yeah, you remind me of somebody.

[B]

45 minutes later, she comes back, literally.

[A]

Jerry.

[B]

She said, this looks like a mouse.

[A]

That was the craziest thing I've ever heard, silly. I think I say yes. I.

[B]

Okay, I agree. I think Jerry is also black.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cuz he don't around with Tom.

[A]

No, he doesn't at all. And he's like. Jerry is also resourceful, nimble, nimble, flexible.

[B]

Like, he's like, oh, he'll make it work.

[A]

He's going to make it work. He's going to make. He's going to get.

[B]

I'm going to make. I'm going to get some cheese at the end of the day. The day's got to end.

[A]

And I'm going to get my cheddar period. Okay.

[B]

So that's the game. There's. There's two more things I do want to show you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Are we over?

[A]

No, no, no, we're good. So they're.

[B]

Apparently these tweets have gone viral this week.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So there are two cartoon characters who have race swapped.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The Nesquik kid.

[A]

What does it look like?

[B]

This is.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[B]

In the 90s. So the Nesquik. The bunny from Nesquik. He used to wear like baggy pants, backwards hat, jerseys. It was very. And again, I think this goes to the 90s of it all. And now he's like in skinny jeans, Chucks, and he's like a white twink. I know.

[A]

What the.

[B]

It's so weird. I feel like cartoon characters in the 90s were very bl. Black and like super white.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So there's that. And then someone retweeted that, said that happened to my good friend Sonic and Then I looked at a photo.

[A]

Sonic did used to be black. He did.

[B]

He's.

[A]

I do recall that Sonic.

[B]

Him like, he's very black.

[A]

Sonic.

[B]

Knuckles is still quite black. Shadow is also black. But I feel like Sonic is not as black as he used to. You don't know who those people are?

[A]

No. I never heard of shadow or not.

[B]

Are you being funny?

[A]

No.

[B]

Have you never seen Sonic?

[A]

No. Lives in this house.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Did you know?

[B]

I some. I've. You know, the boys sometimes.

[A]

Sorry, girls. If y' all love Sonic.

[B]

Not.

[A]

I'm not saying that y' all can't.

[B]

That's true. Sonic is for everybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah. I think he also used to be blacker than he is. And now he's WI fi.

[A]

Yeah. What is the deep blackification of mainstream media right now?

[B]

Because like when we were talking about like cartoons and shows. I do feel like black culture used to be so much more mainstream in a way that I feel like now it is just very much shifting away from that.

[A]

It's very interesting.

[B]

I don't know what's happening.

[A]

I feel like we're in a drought again. I feel like every now and again we go through or for long periods of time, we go through black black droughts. Like it was like UPN was very black. Like the 90s was a very black time on TV.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

And up 2007 ish. Then it like fell off and it was devoid until insecure. It was all carried by reality tv. Why by black people in reality tv Not.

[B]

But even the black people on reality TV was like. And then you're right. Because I'm like. That was like the rise of like the Gossip Girl era.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And the party girl.

[A]

Because is that the OC and the Hills and all of that type of like white white, you know?

[B]

And also like very white. Very thin, very rich.

[A]

Very white, Thin, rich, very white. That is not influenced by blackness at all.

[B]

Oh yeah. Devoid, in fact. Yes.

[A]

Of blackness.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Then there was the rise of anti black white culture.

[B]

Right, right, right. Which kind of feels like we're at that.

[A]

And it feels like we're Sorry.

[B]

Beginning on that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like we are. The pendulum is swinging to where now people are like hardcore anti things 100.

[A]

We're circling back. Feels like that. Yeah. That.

[B]

I guess as long as we survive. Hey, hey. That means on the other side, another black renaissance.

[A]

I would love that.

[B]

I would too.

[A]

I will say art is really good right now.

[B]

Oh yeah. That's like, why can't we have. We can never have economic Security. And also good music.

[A]

Oh my God. The moment we've seen Gaga come back with abracadabra that it was not going to be a good year economically or politically. It was not going to be fun.

[B]

But hey, I mean, at least we can dance our way through it.

[A]

Yeah. Abracadabra. Abra amar una ab.

[B]

Hey baby. I don't know what the she be saying.

[A]

I don't know either, but I'm casting a spell right along with her.

[B]

Well, it is the devil, I'm sure very much is.

[A]

Do you have anything else you want to say about a goofy movie? Any final thought thoughts, you know, after.

[B]

Watching it again as an adult? I do agree that the, the highlights are very black. I think overall, yes. Kofy. Not a black character.

[A]

I agree definitively not black. I agree with that.

[B]

But a heartwarming film nonetheless.

[A]

Really heartwarming. That was a good movie. I get why y' all like it so much. It was like a. A really long time. I was avoiding watching it because I was like me, like. I can't imagine this actually being that good. It was good. Who am I to be talking about Disney's not actually that good? Lol. I think I'm right. I think I'm the one that that's. I can right. I'm. I'm. I'm above the mouse. I'm clearly right as I listen to seven things for the 15th time today.

[B]

Oh my God. You're seven things over see you again crazy H or fly on the wall. Actually fly on the wall.

[A]

Fly on the wall is like, oh.

[B]

I think that's my favorite.

[A]

Not even close between those. No, I'm dead. I would not even put fly on the wall between those. I love see you again and. And I love seven things that they don't feel similar. Like I'm going to. I'm going to listen to both of them, you know? Know. But if I had to only listen to one again, I'd probably listen to see you again.

[B]

Oh, I would pick seven things.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I love seven things, but that's okay.

[A]

Yeah. I probably shouldn't say this, but at times I get so scared about the previous relationship they shared. It was awesome.

[B]

It was lost.

[A]

For me.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I care. I dear. She was eating that. But yeah, that's all I had for this week's episode. If you want to find me on social media to talk to me about whether or not I should have an emo themed karaoke birthday and that and whether that means we should all dress in emo but you can sing whatever song you want or if you can only sing emo songs, let me know. I actually really need help with this decision, so help me with that. And if you want to tell me anything else about a goofy movie, anything we miss, you can find me at BPLP Pod across all social media platforms. You can find me personally at sequoiab Homes. You can email me at. At black people up here.

[B]

More gmail.com and also listen to you.

[A]

On the Daily Dirty.

[B]

I like this. Yeah. Oh, wait, I love.

[A]

Yeah. Every day live, 3pm Pacific, 6pm Eastern.

[B]

That's what, four, 5pm Central. Yes, I think so.

[A]

Yes, it is. Yes.

[B]

Wow, look at that.

[A]

And again, it is not a podcast live show. It's a live show.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So.

[B]

And you can find me at Good Guy.

[A]

Rai. Rai.

[B]

And if you're in Los Angeles, I have an improv show called Coming up in March. I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, you can look. A Tribe Called Melon is my improv group, and our show is on March 17th. I think this will be out by then.

[A]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

Will it be? I don't know. It's okay. Look up A Tribe Called Melanin. And our schedule will be there.

[A]

Right? You can find other improv shows. Yeah, we have all the time. It'll be super fun. And if you want to get some product. Grande merch. We also have other stuff over there, too. Like we have black people up here. More merch as well. But. But the proud mocha grande one was a specific, you know, request from me, so that's that. Okay. See y' all in a couple weeks. Bye.