How The Grinch Stole Christmas (2000)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Black People Love Paramore

Episode: How The Grinch Stole Christmas (2000)
Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Jewel Wicker & Ryan Graham (filling in for Sequoia Holmes)

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Main Theme

This episode dives into the 2000 live-action classic “How the Grinch Stole Christmas,” starring Jim Carrey. Jewel and Ryan offer a lively, often hilarious, deep-dive into the film’s themes, Grinch “identity tests,” behind-the-scenes trivia, the enduring magic of Christmas movies, and, of course, the surprising places Black cultural identity meets outsider narratives.

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Episode Structure

• Opening Banter: Who Is the Grinch? (00:18–02:25)
• Recap of the Movie and Cast (04:04–06:22)
• Jim Carrey, Production Drama, and Casting What-Ifs (06:22–10:55)
• Reading Whoville Through a Black Lens (11:11–15:14)
• Film’s Adult & Subversive Humor (15:13–18:27)
• Classic vs. Live-Action Adaptation (18:27–20:31)
• Nostalgia, Christmas Traditions, and Black Santa (20:31–25:10)
• Capitalism, Christmas, and the Spirit of the Season (25:11–26:46)
• Music & Soundtrack (26:47–29:47)
• Taylor Momsen’s Transformation & Rock Career (29:47–32:00, 63:33–68:20)
• Favorite Characters & Best Christmas Movies (46:40–52:28)
• Cultural Context: Black Households & Movies/Music (52:59–56:37)
• Big Themes: Consumerism & Otherness (56:41–63:07)
• Ridiculous Hypotheticals: Grinch-Style “Crashing Out” (70:26–72:33)

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Who is Actually the “Grinch” of the Group?

• Jewel claims Grinch status due to her bluntness, while Ryan counters he relates to “Grinch energy” when alone.
  • “That is the most Grinch answer of all.” (00:42, Jewel)
• Both riff on Dr. Seuss characters and how their temperaments fit into the Grinch lore.

Movie Recap, Cast, and Behind-the-Scenes

• Jim Carrey’s transformative performance, taking 2 hours of makeup, was physically and mentally taxing. The makeup artist temporarily quit because Carrey was “so hard to work with.” (05:26–06:22)
  • “They said they put straws in them [noses] and stuff like that because it was so hard to breathe.” (06:28, Jewel)
• Casting What-Ifs: Mrs. “Seuss” (Dr. Seuss’s widow) only wanted a shortlist of actors. Other names: Adam Sandler, Robin Williams, Jack Nicholson, Eddie Murphy. (09:03, Ryan)
  • “Robin Williams would have ate that up.” (09:35, Jewel)
  • Famous on-set Polaroid: Jim Carrey as Grinch and Eddie Murphy as Nutty Professor (10:09).

Reading Whoville & The Grinch Through a Black Lens

• The Grinch, as the only “person of color” in a sea of white Whos, is cast as an outsider, paralleling Black experiences of alienation.
  • “...people of color can’t get no peace. I moved away!” (13:45, Ryan)
  • “Y’all drove me out of town because y’all some haters and rude. Yes, I’m down and messing up the holiday every chance I get.” (11:56, Jewel)
• Hilarious riff on Whoville “swingers parties”: “I’m like, oh, they were low-key having a swingers party. So that’s why they didn’t notice the Grinch outside... Maybe they were just a queer couple.” (15:13, Ryan & Jewel)

Adult Humor, Raunch, and Dr. Seuss Lore

• Hosts shocked at how much adult humor/swinger innuendo made it into a “kids” movie, despite Mrs. Seuss’s efforts to cut risqué material (15:13–16:06).
  • “Did she not know nothing about swingers?” (15:32, Jewel)
  • Also: Dr. Seuss wasn’t actually a doctor (17:02–18:27); mini-meltdown from Ryan.

Adaptation, Anti-Heroes, and The Meaning of Christmas

• The live-action film adds depth—The Grinch is given backstory and motivation, making him an anti-hero and pushing viewers to question the commercialization of Christmas (18:27–21:29).
  • “I appreciate that it makes us question...what is Christmas and what is it for?” (19:21, Ryan)
• Cindy Lou Who channels childlike doubt, making adults seem childish in their Christmas obsession (20:31, Ryan).

Black Childhood Traditions: Santa, Mall Santas, & “Hot Dogs for Santa”

• Jewel’s “Santa was always Black” experience versus Ryan’s “Santa was always white” (24:00–25:10).
• Unusual family traditions: “My mom told me Santa is tired of cookies...and wanted a hot dog.” (22:23, Jewel)

Anti-Consumerism & Family

• Both reflect on growing up with presents as the main Christmas allure, but recognizing (with age) the real meaning is family/community (25:32–26:30).
• “I love that he was an anti-consumerism king.” (56:41, Ryan)
• Modern influencer culture and relentless Christmas “gift guide” ads drive them up the wall—mirroring the Grinch’s critique of commercial Christmas (57:28–59:49).

Music: “Where Are You Christmas?” and the Soundtrack

• Mariah Carey co-wrote “Where Are You Christmas?” (Faith Hill sang it for the movie). Taylor Momsen’s child and adult “rock” renditions are praised for their emotional punch (26:47–31:11, 29:45–30:20).
  • “Taylor Momsen, this is her first movie...and then she has her version of it in the chorus...so cute.” (29:19–30:45, Ryan & Jewel)
• Busta Rhymes and Jim Carrey’s rap collab (“early 2000s mood”); Faith Evans vs. Faith Hill voice confusion (28:03–28:48).

Taylor Momsen: From Cindy Lou Who to Rock Star

• Rock era discussed: Taylor’s band The Pretty Reckless, the darkness of her lyrics (“You Make Me Wanna Die”) and her comfort with her past as Cindy Lou Who (63:33–68:20, 32:00).
  • Favorite line: “What does me being Cindy Lou who have to do with me being a dark girl?” (68:12, Jewel)

Favorite/Overrated Christmas Movies – “Jam or Pass?”

• The Grinch = “smash,” Home Alone classic, Elf called overrated but rewatchable, Polar Express “boring and scary” (46:40–52:28).
• Jewel’s all-time favorite: “Santa Claus is Coming to Town” (the claymation version: “Put One Foot in Front of the Other”)—which Ryan hasn’t seen.

Navigating Black Cultural Markers

• Differences between Black music households vs. Black movie households.
  • “I was embarrassingly lacking in Black movie knowledge by the time I got to college.” (53:51, Jewel)
• Neither host remembers watching some “necessary” Black movies (Poetic Justice, Menace II Society, etc.).

The Big Picture – What Does the Movie Mean?

• The film’s major theme is acceptance and embracing difference, with anti-consumerism as a major subtext (56:57–57:14).
  • “I think it’s about accepting people who are othered...the anti-consumerism thing is a B-plot but fascinating.” (56:57, Jewel)
• Parallels to present-day influencer and shopping fatigue.
  • “Everyone is screaming at me that it’s an ad… it’s heavy-handed.” (58:13, Ryan)
• Chilling realization: “Maybe Christmas should be something more... Maybe it’s less buying stuff.” (61:15, Ryan & Jewel)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jewel (on who's the real Grinch): “I am the Grinch of the bunch.” (00:45)
• Ryan (Whoville’s diversity): “I feel like the Grinch is the only other person of color.” (11:43)
• Jewel (childhood Santa): “They knew better than to bring a white Santa to Green Briar Mall. It wasn’t even an option.” (25:10)
• Ryan (movie adaptations): “The 2000s How the Grinch Stole Christmas is the best one because it clearly lays out why he is the way he is.” (43:47)
• Jewel (holiday capitalism): “This is the first time since influencing is such a thing that I’m like, the influencers are taking me down. I can’t take any more ads.” (58:56)
• Ryan (themes): “Where your heart actually grows is by doing and being with people who care for you and you care for.” (63:07)

Funniest Riff

• “I wonder if [the Grinch’s grandmothers] were just a queer couple... That’s why they accepted this little green baby.” (15:13, Ryan)
• “Santa tired of cookies. He get cookies too much. Maybe he want a hot dog.” (22:23, Jewel)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:18: Introductions, “Who is the Grinch?” banter
• 04:04: Quick movie recap and adaptation facts
• 05:26: Jim Carrey’s makeup challenges
• 09:03: Alternate casting options for the Grinch
• 11:11: Black perspective—Grinch as a POC
• 15:13: Adult jokes & “swingers” party theory
• 17:02: Dr. Seuss not actually being a doctor: “He lied!” (Ryan)
• 19:21: Anti-hero narrative and capitalist critique
• 20:31: Christmas as magic vs. presents
• 22:23: Santa gets a hot dog, not cookies
• 24:00: Black vs. white Santa, family traditions
• 26:47: “Where Are You Christmas” is a Mariah Carey joint
• 29:45: Taylor Momsen’s grown-up “rock” version of “Where Are You Christmas?”
• 31:56: Iconic “laid to the gods” Martha May Whovier (hair/makeup/costume)
• 43:47: Why the 2000 film is superior to the animated remake
• 46:40: Christmas movies rated “smash or pass”
• 53:51: Black movie vs. music household
• 56:57: Main message—accepting the ‘other’
• 58:56: Influencer/Christmas ad fatigue
• 61:15: “Maybe Christmas should mean something more...”
• 63:33: Taylor Momsen’s rock career, reunion with Jim Carrey
• 70:26: Hypothetical: Which celebrity would “crash out” Grinch-style?

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Overall Tone

Playful, irreverent, and full of self-deprecating humor, the hosts use the Grinch as a launching pad into discussions of Black cultural identity, family nostalgia, pop culture, and holiday skepticism—with plenty of wild tangents (and fake beef about claymation movies). The tone is both loving and critical—of themselves, each other, and the society the Grinch is critiquing.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a quintessential example of how “Black People Love Paramore” uses niche pop culture to unravel larger societal threads, share personal stories, and laugh—loudly and often. If you haven’t seen the Grinch, you’ll be prepped with production trivia, hilarious hot takes, and a better sense of why this “outsider” story resonates so deeply with Black audiences and anyone who’s ever felt like the Other at Christmas.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture podcast, not about the band Paramore, but about the common and uncommon interests of black people in order to help us feel more safe. I am Ryan Lou.

[B]

Who?

I'm sorry, I wasn't prepared.

[A]

I'm Jewel.

[B]

I actually love that intro. It's perfect. I just was caught off guard. Ryan Lou. It was the Lou who?

[A]

Who?

[B]

I'm Jewel.

[A]

Oh, lol. That is the most Grinch answer of all.

[B]

I'm Jewel, and we all know that I am the Grinch of the bunch.

[A]

So you think.

[B]

So I got my green on. You don't think I'm the Grinch of the bunch?

[A]

I. You know what's crazy? I think maybe I have a warped sense of who I am, but I think I'm the Grinc.

I do.

[B]

You are a who to your core. I. You think I'm a who, Sequoia. I would be willing to debate whether or not Sequoia or I or the Grinch are the Grinch. And I think we switch off at different times. But you. At no time, no, ever.

[A]

You know what? I'm the Grinch when I'm alone. That's what I'm saying. I think I relate to him in my, like, quiet. It is.

[B]

It's like when I talk to my friends and they're like. I'm like, well, I just hate to be mean. And they're like, what are you talking about? You're not being mean. And I'm like, in my head, I guess maybe I filtered it before I got it out, but in my head, like, I am. And they're like, no, we've never experienced you that way, Jewel. So, yeah, it's interesting.

[A]

That's how I feel about you calling yourself the Grinch. Like, I see, I guess, of the group, for sure. I think it's not that you're the Grinch of the group. I think you are just the more.

Direct, perhaps Blunt, perhaps. I think maybe it's that, like, it's a little bit more. I don't know if it's Director Blunt. I think you're right. I put sugar on almost everything. Like, there's always a level of, like, sprinkles, sugar, sunshine. And I don't think that you do that.

[B]

No, I don't. I'm either gonna not say nothing. Like, sometimes I'm like, just don't say nothing. Just be quiet. If I'm. If I'm quiet, it's because I don't have nothing, you know, positive to say. But if I say It. I am gonna be honest. But yeah, sometimes I'm just quiet and.

[A]

I love that for you. That's the thing. I don't think you're the Grinch. But yes, certainly less maybe the cat in the hat. A little mischievous, a little. I don't know who are the lords?

[B]

I definitely watching. Watching the movie this week. I said I relate to that, to that man.

[A]

Okay, we'll get into it. Because I absolutely get into it. The more I watch him, the more I'm like, yes, he's not. I mean, obviously he's not the villain. But you didn't. You didn't deserve gifts, actually.

[B]

I don't like that we did that. I don't like that y' all got y' all gifts back. At the end of the day, I.

[A]

Wish he would have just saved the little girl and the fell off the mountain, cuz. Cause fuck yeah. That's what it deserves.

[B]

That's the lesson of Christmas. When you cold.

[A]

Correct. You don't need.

[B]

You don't get nothing.

[A]

Exactly. All of you bitches get cold. Yeah. Crazy. Before we get too far into the episode, let's do some housekeeping. Please remember to rate us and write reviews. Five stars. Because we are all what? Five star bitches. That is right. And if you're a five star bitch and a self proclaimed mocha grande, you can head over to the merch shop and get to the store in the show notes. It'll have all the five star bitches. The mocha grande, the merch, the things, all that.

[B]

Do we actually have a five star bitch shirt? I knew we had mocha grande merch. What are you. Do we have.

[A]

Did I make it up? Am I?

[B]

I think you. But I like it. I do like word to yo Gotti. We need a shirt to say word to yo Gotti.

[A]

Word to yo Gotti.

[B]

Who said that's the five?

[A]

I know who it is.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[A]

I think word to yo Gotti. I don't. I don't know why. It's like Ja Rule saying that in my head. Maybe I made that up. I do think that that's a fun shirt. If you guys want a five star bitch merch shirt, let us know. Comment. Five stars in the link. Comment below.

[B]

Sequoia gonna say, you niggas will never get the keys to this ever again.

[A]

We are holding it down for Sequoia this week. Jewel and I, we're gonna do some grinchtastic stuff. And again, she might be like, never again. She was like, you two done?

[B]

But for Today.

[A]

But for today, they got us. You got thing one and thing two. I love it. Full on Dr. Seuss mode. Sequoia is gonna take it back. She's gonna take the keys back. Okay, you wanna just like, I'll give you a little recap on the Grinch.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. We have talked about the Grinch already. He introduced himself as a Lou Hoo. But yes, the show, the episode today is about, is about the Grinch. So, Ryan, give us the rundown on what.

[A]

So, yes, today we're talking about the Grinch. And in this live adaptation of the beloved Children's Tale by Dr. Seuss, a bitter and reclusive green Grinch played by Jim Carrey to ruin Christmas for the cheery citizens of Whoville. He's a hater. I'm sorry. I love Whoville, and I would be a great who. I'm just gonna say that he is reluctantly joined by his hapless dog, Max. See, that's why I kind of relate to him. Cause that's me and Meatball. I feel like she would help me in my chaos.

[B]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

See what I'm saying?

[A]

I know. But yes, he comes down from the mountaintop and he sneaks into each and every one of the who's home to swipe everything that's holiday related from the who's. However, there's a wrench in his plan where he has the endearing Cindy Lahue, played by Taylor Momsen. Shout out Gossip Girl. We'll get there too. Directed by Ron Wait. I love that about that. That's a fun fact for me. I love that this is her first movie because she goes from Cindy Lou who to like, kind of slutty Girl and rock Gossip Girl to, like, rocker like her.

[B]

The rock era is what I want to discuss too. That was fun for me. So, yeah, yeah, I feel like she.

[A]

Would love black people, love Paramore. I 100% feel like she would be a fan because, like, we're very aligned timeline wise. So, like, apparently it took Jim Carrey, like, two hours to get into the makeup, and they had, like, the eye contact, and he said it was like being buried alive. So he hated doing it.

[B]

And, like, the makeup person also took a leave because he was so hard to work with that they were like, I'm gonna quit. And they were like, just take a leave. And, like, maybe he will appreciate you once you have left. And so then he came, Makeup person came back. It all went well. The movie came out. But apparently Jim Carrey was not the easiest to work with on this movie. But then when I look at the movie, I don't know Jim Carrey. I don't know what he's like on other sets, but, like, one, that it's such a physical role. And two, the man does. Barely has a nose. Like, he can't breathe. Like, when I'm looking at the makeup, I'm like, yeah, I too have an attitude if I have to put this on every day.

[A]

To be fair, none of them have noses. Only Cindy Lou, who is like, without a prosthetic, everyone's nose is covered.

[B]

Everybody's noses. I think they said they put straws in them and stuff like that because it was so hard for them. Them to like, breathe. Yeah.

[A]

One, director, Ron Howard was always there. He helped smooth over the drama between the makeup artist and Jim Carrey because they did, they did slow down production quite a bit. But like, I guess my thing is I. I get it that it's a physical role. I'm. I guess I'm more shocked because everything I've seen of Jim Carrey in terms of his interviews and stuff like that, he seems like quite the lovely man. So I was shocked to hear. Really. Oh, wow.

[B]

You know, he does seem like quite the lovely man. I guess in my mind, the who's are not in the movie that damn much. Like, they do not have to do this as frequently and as like long like he is the move. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. To me, he would probably have to have endured that for much longer than like the other folks who were in the movie. I don't know. I can't. That's my thinking about why he was.

[A]

Over it a little bit faster.

[B]

Yeah, because they asked him, maybe it was last year, but they asked him, like, in recent years, would you do a sequel? And he was like, yes, because technology has improved to where I don't have to wear that damn costume. Like, I can. Like, the makeup of it all is not going to be so traumatizing because it's not 2000.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I. I think one thing I like about this movie, though, is that it is practical. And so, like, I think that's like even the sets of like, the, the makeup. And so, like, I understand that it is certainly more taxing. I think that's what makes this movie whole.

[B]

Don't take it away. It doesn't hit as hard. I'm sorry for your trauma.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

If you take it away, I don't want cgi Grinch. Like, I want I'm sorry.

Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I. I feel like him doing. And I think that's maybe why they haven't made, like, obviously they made another one in 2017, but. But it was animated. It was, like, full on animated. So maybe that's why they didn't do another live action because they were like, Jim Carrey went through enough and he gave us his facial expressions. He's so, so good in it. Like, I don't.

[B]

I'm telling you, like, I don't think.

[A]

There could have been a better person to do it. Like, in terms of physical comedy, in terms of, like, being able to fully embody a character.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

He's so good at it.

[B]

Perfect. And so, yeah, I don't know. I would be curious. I would be honest to say I'm not a Jim Carrey. Like, I don't know his life, so I can't say what he's like behind the scenes in other films. But it was really interesting to me learning, like, damn, not. You was up there running. You was up there running everybody out.

[A]

Yeah. And I guess, like, this is, like, peak Jim Carrey, too. So this is like, he is, like, height of his career. So I imagine there's a level of, like, diva dom you're allowed to know also.

[B]

Yeah. So from my understanding, the widow of the, like, doctor, like, Dr. Seuss, the author, Mr. Seuss. That's not her name, but sure. Mrs. Seuss was like, I think when she signed on to allow them to do this adaptation, it was like Jim Carrey and three other people that she was open to.

[A]

It was, like, at least considered was Adam Sandler, Jack Nicholson, Eddie Murphy, and Robin Williams. Now, I will say I forgot Robin Williams was in that mix. Also probably would have made.

[B]

He would have ate that up.

[A]

God, what a.

[B]

He would have ate that up. Yeah.

[A]

Although I don't know that he had the edge. I think Jim Carrey has a fight that is required.

[B]

I think Robin Williams has the physicality and the comical, like, elements of it, but Jim Carrey has. I believe that she was up there harassing them people and making the people want to go home. Like, I believe, like, you can sell that.

[A]

Wow. Maybe he wasn't just kicking holes in walls because of makeup. He was just in character. He was like, this is.

[B]

What do y' all want the Grinch to be grumpy or not?

[A]

Correct. Why would I be happy about this? I'm just.

[B]

My heart is two sizes too small. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. My heart is two sizes too small. And this trailer is three times. It's too small. So I'm putting my foot directly through it. God damn. Like, oh, wow. But you know what's funny? I think the fun fact that it's like a. An image that comes up, comes around, like, every couple of years. The image of Eddie Murphy as the Nutty professor and Jimmy Carey as the Grinch on set. They were filmed around the same time, so there's like a famous. Have you seen this photo? Oh, my God. There's a famous photo of Jim Carrey and Eddie Murphy together. Like, because they were both filming at, like, the Paramount lot. And it's like, around the same time. And it's so funny to think that, like, Jim Carrey was. Or Eddie Murphy was almost the Grinch, like, Or he was considered. I'm going to text it to you. It is very, very. I like, oh, okay.

[B]

You're texting it because I was looking it up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they were like, yeah, my God, isn't that crazy?

[A]

I love that. I'm like, what a fun universe where the native professor and the Grinch.

[B]

The Grinch having, like, the longest little nails. Little tad. They weren't really nails, but they really were, like, fabulous. Like, I. I'm screaming.

[A]

It's kind of pre. Elphaba. Like, Elphaba with the long nails. Yeah. Also, he's throwing. It looks like he's throwing up, like, his peace sign.

[B]

And it's like, very, like, fl. Anyway, good for you.

[A]

But you know what? I also love the idea that the Grinch, like, the Grinch is the only person of color. There is, like, one black cashier in the movie. Other than that everybody in Whoville is white, which, you know, fairly.

[B]

I didn't even notice the black whoever was a person of color in the movie.

[A]

I only. I imagine that they. He was literally the cashier. He was a non. He's like a background character. He was at one of the shops. They were ringing it up and he was there. And then I feel like the Grinch is the only other person of color. So, like, I feel like the Grinch having an attitude that makes a little bit of sense.

[B]

Well, y' all drove me out of town because y' all are some haters and y' all are rude. Yes. I'm down and messing up the holiday every chance I get.

[A]

Now, why would you ruin everybody else's holiday? Because. Just because it kicks you out, you think that's the right response?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You literally shrug your shoulders and go, yes, yes.

[B]

And mind you, every time I come down here, y' all be like, ugh. Here he go. So, yes, here I go also.

[A]

Yeah. They're, like, quite literally deathly afraid of this man. Like, And I'm like, I don't think he hurt anybody, mind you.

[B]

Last time y' all saw him, he was a tiny tot. And he just stormed off because y' all didn't like his gift. Like, y' all were. He threw some stuff down, but, like, he was this big, like, so, yeah, I'm coming down there and mess it up.

[A]

He only threw gifts because they made fun of him. It wasn't like he was. It wasn't. They made fun of him trying to shave because they also traumatized him for having hair. So it was like, it wasn't even my fault that I crashed out at 8 years old. And yes, now I had to go move away in the mountain. And I'm sad that this little boy had to raise himself. I'm like, it's not his fault that he doesn't have social skills. Like, it's like, you traumatized this child. He ran up to the mountain, and then y' all bother him in his mountain. He went to his own space like this. The movie starts, and then y' all.

[B]

Used to come up there harassing.

[A]

And me. Correct. Why Cindy Lou's brothers are climbing up there, being funny. They're trying to, like, impress these two other suho. I'm not gonna call them Hoo Ho.

[B]

Su Ho. Hoo Ho. Yeah.

[A]

Who Hoes? They weren't hoes. They were just teenage girls. But who. Hoes is funny.

[B]

Cancel him right now on Today or the Grinch. No, you for the who. But Hoo Ho is kind of funny.

[A]

I got Hoo Hoo. I would say I want to be a Hoo Hoo. Why'd you? Would you?

[B]

Why not? It's kind of. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

It kind of eats.

[B]

It kinda does. Anyway, so, yeah, so they're. They're trying to impress those two girls, and they go up the side of the mountain and bother the Grinch unprovoked.

[A]

They're at his house. You. You come to my door. I've intentionally moved away from you all. It's like, damn. Like, it's like people of color can't get no peace. I moved away.

[B]

Isn't that a question? Why would I come down and harass y'? All?

[A]

Every holiday I'm talking myself into.

[B]

Yeah, like, you're like, why would you do that? Why would I not? Because y' all deserve it. Y' all don't deserve peace.

I don't care I don't care.

[A]

You don't care about them enjoying their little shop fest, their little holiday cheer? It's the most important holiday, the hoobilation. It's the thousandth hoobilation.

[B]

Mind you, the part that I do like is when it's the very. When they're explaining, like the lore of the Grinch. And they show him coming down from the. Like, he's like in his little carrier coming down and he like the other baby out the way, and he's like, this is my favorite part. Cause I'm like, not. You knew you was finna come wreak havoc on this little town.

[A]

From the beginning, he was a minister.

[B]

He said, soon as I get here, things will change.

[A]

I also love that, like one. Do you think his grandmothers who raised him, they were like roommates. But I wonder, were they roommates, do you think?

[B]

I never considered it. But that's a good question because.

[A]

Okay, so they explain all who babies, tiny who gals and little who fellas, as they like to say, come down in the stork like other. Other babies. And then they were like, they were having a party. And the other weird thing is, like, at their party, they're like putting their keys into a bowl.

[B]

It is little swingers.

[A]

That's like, known things for swingers. And so I'm like, oh, they were like, low key having a swingers party. So that's why they didn't notice the Grinch outside. And then these two, like old ladies raise him. And I'm like, maybe they were just like a couple, a queer couple. And I think progressive. Like, that's why they accepted this little green baby. You know what I mean? They loved him.

[B]

I can get down with that. You know what? So one of the things I read was that again, the widow of Dr. Seuss, I think they went through like eight or so script. Like, they went through several script revisions. Because she kept being like, this is a little too Raunchy. This is Dr. Seuss and this is a children's thing. And I am like, did she not know nothing about swingers? And so that completely went over her head and that's how it got to stay in. Did she say, I'm gonna let y' all have this little one little thing? Like, I'm trying to figure out how.

[A]

That made it in.

[B]

Yeah, because apparently there was a lot of other, like, sexual innuendo stuff that end up getting cut.

[A]

That is wild to me because, like, I feel like there are lots of jokes that still are in it that are like, Way more adult. That, like when I watched this as a kid, like, I didn't get, you know, I didn't get that. Or there was also, like. Because, like in that same sequence where they're talking about the stork bringing babies, like one of the Whoville. He opens the door, he goes, oh, our baby's here. It looks just like your boss. And I'm like, as a kid, I didn't get that. But like, yeah, there's tons of little things like that that I am surprised they let it in, especially knowing that, like Mrs. Seuss, I don't know if that's her name. That's what I'm going to call her.

[B]

Not that lady name. Why is it not his name is not Seuss? His name. That was like a pen name. Dr. Seuss name is not Dr. Seuss.

[A]

Dr. Seuss.

[B]

Now, I'm sorry I don't know it by heart, but Dr. Seuss's name is. What's, what's Mr. Seuss name? Hold on.

[A]

His name, Dr. Seuss's name is. Oh, his middle name is Theodore. Or is Seuss. Theodore Seuss. Giselle. Giselle. So, okay, but.

[B]

Okay, so Seuss is his name, but that's not her last name because it wasn't his last name either.

[A]

Okay, I. Is he not a doctor? I'm. No, I'm being so serious.

[B]

Is he really? No, I know he's not like a psychiatrist.

[A]

Maybe that's what I'm asking.

[B]

Like, I now I now I don't know because I have a clue.

[A]

Blowing my mind. I don't think I realized that he was not Dr. Seuss. I full on thought his last name was Seuss.

[B]

And now I'm like, your childhood dreams is nuts.

[A]

I. Oh, my God, he just adopted it. An undergraduate. He has a graduate degree. This man is not a doctor.

[B]

I did assume that the man was not. I have to be honest, Ryan. Why would you think that man was a doctor?

[A]

It's his name. It's Dr. Seuss. What do you mean? Why would he not be doctor? Like, is Dr. Phil not a doctor?

[B]

Barely. I mean, that's what I'm saying. He is, but like, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

I'm like, I don't. I didn't know you could just put Dr. In front of your name. I thought you had to be a doctor.

[B]

It's a pen name. It's a pen name. Shakespeare.

[A]

That's not the same as doctor.

[B]

Well, that's true.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Doctor is A title I thought. I. Wow. No, I legitimately did not know that.

[B]

You having a meltdown over this is.

[A]

Sending me because I feel like he lied. He lied. Wow. Yeah. No, I did not. I am sorry. Sorry for the mini crash out about Dr. Seuss not being a doctor. That blew my mind.

[B]

Incredible. Okay, so. Okay. But the thing. Here's the thing. So I went back and I read the book. Like, I read the Grinch book because I wanted to see how different it was. And I watched. There was a. There's like a 30 minute, like, from those, like, 60s.

And it's so interesting. I think what I love about the live action is how much character development they put into him. You know what I mean? Because the Grinch in the book and in the 60s version is just grumpy. He's just me and he's grumpy because his heart is two sizes too small and he just want to fuck up Christmas. But, like, I really appreciate it that they gave his character more of a heart. They obviously also develop out Cindy Lou who. Cause in the book, she's two, so she doing all the things she doing in the movie. But I appreciate it that they developed out those two characters because I think that's really, like, the heart of the movie. And it makes it so compelling to me.

[A]

I agree. Because it flips the idea of obviously, it's like one of the first movies that like. Or it's around that era when they were introducing anti heroes. And so he is an anti hero where, like, he is a villain, but, like, he obviously has a reason why. And then it flips kind of the way we, the viewer look at Christmas because obviously we still struggle with this. Capitalism is everywhere. And, like, a lot of Christmas is commercial, like, commercialized. And I feel like he is directly questioning that and being like, the whole point is, like, loving and giving to others. And the time I tried to do that, it backfired on me. I was trying to do the right thing for Christmas. And so, yeah, it's like, I do appreciate that it makes us question, you know, what is Christmas and what is it for?

[B]

Yeah, it's also smart to do it through the lens of a little girl because she is, like, struggling to, like, I'm struggling with the concept of Christmas. I'm struggling to understand, like, she's, like, having this, like, identity crisis. Almost like, y' all are telling me I gotta love Christmas, but it's given. I got a few questions and ain't nobody trying to answer them for me. Like, what is going on Here. And so I think having a little girl be the, like, source of that conflict is really smart. Like a small child. Yeah.

[A]

Also because I'm like, I. It's like, it makes the adults feel like children because they're all like, super into. Because I feel like at 6 years old, I don't give a fuck. Were you worried about what the meaning of. The meaning of Christmas at 6 years old for me was?

[B]

Why would I give a damn? First of all, I believed in Santa Claus until I was way too damn old.

[A]

So please tell me when. When.

[B]

I'm not going to give you that age. Oh, no, you have to, Ryan. I was. So here's the story. Here's the story. My mother. Because when. When I found out that Santa wasn't real, I think I found my gifts or something like that, and I was devastated. And I caught her crying and I was like, it's a lie. Like, I was like. And she was like, I need you to be serious as a human. She goes, mind you, when you were a small child, I sat you down and said, santa Claus is not real.

[A]

Oh my God. Why would you.

[B]

Because she was like, I. Like, she just was one of those parents that, like, even when you were a kid, I never was. I never wanted you to be under the illusion that Santa Claus was real. But all my friends at school believed in Santa Claus. So I responded to her, yes, he is. I would like for him to be real. And she said, girl, okay.

Yeah, I.

[A]

Love that your mom was like, if you want to live in this fucking delusion, whatever.

[B]

So I forced myself to believe in Santa Claus so hard that she just went along with it after that because she was like, I tried to tell. I tried to tell this girl. She didn't want to hear it. I'm not going to argue with a toddler.

[A]

I love that you forced yourself to believe it.

[B]

And so I convinced myself so hard that I was damned. I was too old to be believing in Santa Claus. By the time I figured out this.

[A]

I figured out like high school.

[B]

No, probably sixth grade. 12ish. Okay, that's too old.

[A]

I just, I mean, like, I don't think it's too old. I think sixth grade is where I'm like, it start. The line gets a little blurred to me. I. There were definitely moments I can remember moments up through high school where I. Like, I knew he didn't exist, but there are moments where I was like, but maybe I'm wrong. The right Christmas movie will throw me right back in. It's like Ecstasy I will. I'm serious. The right. The right thing will. It is. It's like you. Well, maybe you've never.

[B]

I've never done ecstasy, so I can't say.

[A]

Sometimes you get thrown back into a loop. Like, you'll start to come down and you'll be like, I had a shot. Or like, I took a hit of weed and I'm like, woo.

[B]

And that's on the train. And bring me back into that moment.

[A]

That's how I feel about the Christmas season.

[B]

So interesting.

[A]

Every once in a while, the right Christmas movie will make me be like, but what if.

[B]

Here's the thing about me and Christmas. I love a Christmas tradition.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

More than like, this. I don't know. So, like, me and my mom had weird traditions too. Like, my mom, weird lady. Like, she was like, santa tired of cookies. He get cookies too much, so maybe he want a hot dog. She told me, santa mind you. Cause she's eating it. She's like, I'm gonna tell her what I want. So she was, santa tired of cookies, he get cookies at every house. Maybe let's grill him a hot dog. And I was like, okay. So every year we grilled Santa a hot dog. And it's funny as an adult to think about not. This lady Jedi mind tricked me into making her a hot dog every year.

[A]

Like, she's placing an order. I love the idea. Santa really wants some pizza this year. Yes.

[B]

Cause think about it. Santa's always getting them cookies and milk. He don't want that. He gets that all the time. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. So I think, like, when I look back on Christmas, I loved we. And we would grill them over because we had, like, an open fireplace. We would grill the hot dogs over an open fire. So, like, that was a Christmas tradition that I loved. I loved Christmas music. Like, I loved stuff like that. But the Santa of it all, when it left, it left. And I was okay with it.

[A]

Interesting. Okay. So I guess I don't. I don't know that I distinctly remember, like, having, like, I don't remember meeting Santa. Like, I'm sure I have photos as a kid, but there was just something about Santa represented magic to me.

[B]

Interesting. Okay.

[A]

And I think that is why I, like, there are moments where I'm like, oh, maybe I still believe because there's just something. So, like, it's magical. It is.

[B]

And it's like, yeah, I get that. I wouldn't quote did y'. All. Was it popular for y' all to go to, like, the mall and take the Santa photos.

[A]

I. I know we did it. I don't think we did it often. Like, I think I did it when I was very, very young. But, like, I can't remember doing it past five. So. No, but I just think there are certain movies where, like, Santa would appear. And it just. I don't know. It. It always made people feel more hopeful. It made people, like, believe in something, like. And I think it was something to believe in. And so that's what always made me, like, oh, feel warm.

[B]

I want to believe. Yeah, there is. And I know now that, like, growing up in Atlanta, which is, like, obviously a, like, pretty black city, like, we would go to the mall, and Santa was always black. Malls we would go to. And so whenever I, like, got. When I got older and I talked to black people and they would be like, oh, I always took a picture with a white Santa. I was always. I mean, I believe it, obviously, but it was all. I mean, it was always a black Santa. When we went to the mall, and it was, like, a tradition because we were in a black neighborhood.

[A]

I never. I don't think I ever had a black Santa. Like, really? No. I know the photos. I can remember. I was certainly with a white Santa. And then I remember we collected, like, black Santa dolls, like, in the house. They were black Santa. I don't think I ever.

[B]

No Santa. They would. They knew better than to bring a black. A white Santa to Green Bar Mall. It wasn't even an option. Santa was always black. Yeah, that's so. Yeah. So it's just stuff like that that I, like, hold on to. That's, like, fond childhood memories around Christmas. But did I. I. Y' all could have told me Cindy Lou who herself was gonna bring me them gifts as long as.

Well.

[A]

And I guess that's so. It's like, you did get this meeting of Christmas at an early age. I feel like in this movie, like, that's the whole argument is, like, the Grinch. And also, he's mad at them because he is seeing, like, all you guys care about is shopping, presents, gifts, more and more stuff. And he's like, I don't think you guys actually care about each other. So that's a part of, like, what sets him off to steal the stuff. Like, he's. Sorry. He's.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

For sure. No, no, no. I'm thinking about if I got the meeting at Christmas. You're correct. I. I think that I was very much in it for the gifts. For sure. Oh, the other stuff Was nice. But like if you. If we had grilled hot dogs and I woke up and it wasn't no gift there said, well, say that made an accident. Give me my hot dog bag. Yeah. So like, I do think it had to be when I got older that I realized what it was about.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is supposed to be about family and community. I mean, if you're a Christian, it's supposed to be about that. But like for, you know, in general, it's supposed to be about like family and community and giving back and like, you know, spending time with one another. I don't think I got that until I was much older.

[A]

I love like the song that Cindy Lou who sings like questioning like, what the meaning of Christmas.

[B]

Where are you? Do you know? I think Mariah Carey co wrote that. Did you know that?

[A]

Now? Now that I hear it, it sounds right.

[B]

But then again, why wouldn't it soundtrack because.

[A]

Okay, so here's the thing. Faith, not Faith. Lol, not me saying Evans. I get them confused and I know that they are wholly different people.

[B]

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

[A]

I get Faith Evans and Faith Hill confused and I don't know why. I know, I know, I know. I know that Faith Evans is black, was married to Victorious Big, right.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And Faith Hill is a country singer. But I for some reason fuse them in my brain.

[B]

Let me tell you something. I can name every Faith Evans song. You asked me to name a Faith Hill song.

[A]

It's this. Where are you Christmas?

[B]

Oh, did she?

[A]

Well, so, yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I would be surprised if like this, the version of it I know is Faith Hill, not Faith Evans.

[B]

And see how I didn't know that.

[A]

Are you serious? They play it at the end of the. They play it at the end of the song. She was married to Tim McGraw.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't know.

[A]

What are you Christmas? Hold on, let me see. Who wrote this song?

[B]

Mariah co wrote it.

[A]

I know. I believe you. It sounds like a Mariah Carey song. Yes. It was actually not even yes. Co written by Mariah Carey. James Horner and Will Wellington. They wrote it for this album. Wow. But I wonder what made Mariah not perform it. I love the song.

[B]

I remember and I don't want to be wrong, but I think it was like a scheduling conflict or something. I don't know. Don't quote me on that. But like I know she co wrote it and I just learned that detail. I was like, that's so fun. I love that Mariah is the Christmas lady. I love that.

[A]

I do. I mean, and through and through. She's always like the go to person. Well, that's why when this. So the album came out and like, lol. There's a Busta Rhyme song where the Grinch raps. So Jim Carrey, as a Grinch raps on it with Busta Rhymes. It's very silly. It's like, it's very. That early 2000s when, like, they, you know, they love to bring in, like, Busta Rhymes. Yin Yang Twins. Like Yin Yang Twins and Britney Spears have a song together. It's very that.

[B]

And now. And I'll never turn it off.

[A]

I said it's also great. Those songs are all.

It's like, yes. Or like Christina Ailera and Little Kim or Red Man. It's like all those things. Like, it was so cool.

[B]

I also love Christina Aguilera and Lil Kim and the Red Man. Yeah. Great song. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So it's. It's that energy in a Christmas song. So it's like, quite silly, quite stupid. And Jim Carrey, like, quasi rapping. It's like pre ke, but I'm saying. So, like, this is when movies had, like, albums. So, like, NSYNC is on here. Busta Rhymes is on it. Faith Hill. Yes. Mariah Carey wrote the Where Are youe Christmas song. And apparently she did record a demo of it. She says she has it somewhere. But she said she.

She said she's enthusiastic and hesitant. I don't know. I guess they just didn't release. Why she didn't. I'm reading why. But apparently there's no, like, distinct reason why she didn't. Yeah, but, yeah, she wrote it. But also, Taylor Momsen, this is her first movie. And then she has her version of it in the. The actual course of the film. And it's like very little kids, you know.

[B]

Okay, so do you know, I think it was either this. Is this the anniversary? Like the big anniversary for the Grinch, or was it last year?

[A]

It's this year. Today's 25.

[B]

So I think this year, like, recently she released on YouTube a version of her singing it. And it's like a rock version. But at the beginning, they, like, put her childhood voice on top of her singing it now. And she's like, my world is changed. And, like, on the tv, you see her as Cindy Lou who singing it, and then they, like, rock out afterwards. And I'm like, this is so cool. Like, that turned me away from being a Grinch. That literally did something to my heart. Like, I was like, why am I emotional looking at this? This is so cute.

[A]

It's. Honestly, even the way she sings, it is. It's just like. Because my world is such. It's such a little kid. It is little kid choir in the best way possible. I'm like, it's because it's, like, good, kind of bad. Like, I'm like, oh, I love it.

[B]

It's like, it don't matter if the baby on key or not. Do you hear her singing? You know what I mean? Like, it's like, when you watch a kid, like, perform is like, the talent isn't really the point of this.

[A]

It's not. You know, it's the cuteness and the confidence.

[B]

I'm like, so I. I saw that recently, and I thought that was such a cute thing for her to do. I love that she still embraces.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like that. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, I feel like a lot of child stars could easily, like, be like, I hated that time.

[B]

They're like, we want to talk to you about the Grinches. You're like, I don't want to talk about it. You know? But she's always like, I had a great time. Jim Carrey was so nice to me.

She's always really fond about talking about that, which I really like.

[A]

Yeah. I also imagine, again, like we were saying, the set is practical and it's so magical. I think being in that space, it feels like it would be such a fun movie to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you're a kid and you're literally on Whoville. Like, this is such a magical place to be. And then, like. Like I'm saying, I. Jim Carrey always seems very kind, and I imagine he would be super kind to kids. So I think he's really of kind. I feel like it'd be so fun working with. I think he would make those scenes where he's supposed to be mean, because even when he is doing it, it's like. It's funny. It's so silly to watch him be me, where I'm like, as a kid, I think I'll have the time of my life. And then obviously, like. Like we were saying with the sets and even the hair. Like, her hair was always, like, cute and made and done up. Like, it's so iconic. I could think there's nothing more iconic than, like, a little.

[B]

Yeah. When she comes down the stairs from being asleep and the hair still.

[A]

Still up.

[B]

And I'm like, cindy, how did you go to bed, baby? But, like. Yeah. Like, even when he's like the. The. The Grinch. And she's just like, hello. Like, she is, like, very. It's so cute the way she is, like, deeply unfazed by this man. Correct. Like, he's like, I'm trying to scare you. And she's like, okay, but you're not.

[A]

She's like, but you're not.

[B]

If you want to, that's fine. But, like, I'm having a good time. Are you like, she is. It's so cute.

[A]

Yeah, it's so funny. So cute. And I love that she. Throughout her character, Cindy Lou, who is just so. Like, no, he deserves. Cause she's right. He does. No one deserves to be alone on Christmas. And, like. Like, why not him? Also the mayor. Sorry. I'm just thinking about the time she stood up to the mayor, and, like, she's. It just. It clicked in my brain. I had to say the mayor, because he was like, oh, I'm gonna receive the award. And she goes, actually, we're gonna nominate the Grinch. And he goes, well, you can't, according to the book. And she goes.

[B]

She's like, it don't say that. You a lie. Never seen you say that. Why tell a story? Like.

[A]

And I love that it's. Call it out the Bible, basically being.

[B]

Like, you're reading from the book. I love that about kids, though, because I think, like, it's a thing about parenting, at least from, like, our generation, where it's like, the do as I say, not as I do. So it's like, you got to treat people how you want to be treated, and you got to do all of this. And then when a kid is like, you're not doing that. You're not treating him well. You're not treating him the best. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. Not him. And it's like, no, no. If you tell me I have to do that, I have to do it for everybody. And that means him, too. Like, correct. Why did you teach them principles?

[A]

And honestly, like, again, it's especially someone like him. Like, especially someone who is ostracized and, like. Like different and, like, not receiving love and care and kindness. I feel like those people specifically need it. So it's weird that we do this for all people who are, like us, are following the rules, but not for the people who maybe are not following the rules, because people treat them like shit. Like, you know, I mean.

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[A]

So, yeah, I feel like as an adult re watching this, I was like there are so many like good life lessons, especially about the holidays and like it's not just commercialism. And I was just kind of like, oh, it's still. I think this movie holds up and I think it, it message wise, acting wise. It's so fun, so cute, so good.

[B]

For sure, for sure.

[A]

I mean, and like while we're on costumes and hair, I mean, I guess you know that a this was nominated for Golden Globes. Yeah, it was like nominated for the Golden Globe for best production design, best costuming and hair, Best makeup. Oh, it actually won for best makeup and hair. And then Jim Carrey was also nominated for best actor for this. And again, I don't think there could have been a better Grinch. But the hair, the makeup. Cause when we get to Ms. Martha Mae, who va the way her outfit, that is who I want to be. I aspire in my heart of hearts every Christmas morning to wake up and be oof, laid hair, laid makeup to the gods house like lit the fuck up. She looks so fucking good as Martha.

[B]

I think about it, I was thinking about it because I watched the Gilded Age now and she's in the.

[A]

Christine Baranski.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think about, like, her character and how they're both so regal in both, like, very different characters, but both very much like, do you know who I am? Characters. And I'm like, I love it. Cause Marta May was that girl, like.

[A]

Bad, baddest bitch in Hoover.

[B]

A baddie. Yes, yes.

[A]

And also, like, I think watching it as a kid, I don't think she was ever a villain. But in my brain, I thought of her as, like, a mean girl. But rewatching it, I'm like, oh, she wasn't mean. I think she was misunderstood. Like, I think she was just very beautiful. And then, like, just very fortunate. And so, like, Mrs. Or, what was Cindy Lou, who's mom? Betty. Like, so Betty's, like, putting all the lights up outside, and she's like, fuck that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She was like, literally, like, let me get the light bulbs from the fridge. And she's like, I'm gonna be Bartha May Hoovier. And then Martha comes out and goes, betty, hi.

[B]

And then she goes, martha said, just because I'm a baddie, don't be mad at me. I'm a mean girl. Like, I said, I think she was.

[A]

Kind and she was just hot. And so she kind of got, like, not directly hated on. But I think Betty was a little jealous. And I'm like, I think maybe it's hard to be the hot girl in Whoville.

[B]

I think Martha was one of those people who like beauty. And it looked. She was one of those people that. It looked like everything came easy to her. So it was easy. Easy to, like, dislike her. Yeah, right.

[A]

Exactly. It's like, I want to dislike you so bad, but, like, I also. You're not. She didn't do anything. She was just beautiful and kind. I also love that. Like, so when they're doing, like, the discussion of the Grinch, and, like, everyone was like, God, the hair not good. And they were like, he was so angry, so green. And she goes like, the muscles.

[B]

The funniest part about that whole movie is how every time that man is in a room, she's in the corner, like. Like, she is wooing the whole movie.

[A]

And I'm like, girl, get a grip.

[B]

Get a grip, and fast. Like, yeah, she.

[A]

Yeah, she couldn't. Like, also, when there was something else she did or Cindy Lou who was interviewing her. And then she goes, did I have a crush on the Grinch? No. And then Cindy's like, didn't. I didn't ask.

[B]

I didn't ask. You that, babes. I was trying to get a backstory on this, man. Where did you get. Where. How did we get.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

How did we get.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love yak character a lot.

[A]

She was so fun. And also, when she was a kid, the ABC in her hair, they had to have a black braider because, like, she had. It was like, bap style, like, updo with, like, ABC written in her hair as a kid. And I'm like, I don't think white people.

[B]

Who did that? Who styled that? Who styled that?

[A]

Yeah, but, yeah, no, I. I, again, great acting all around. Loved it. And then Anthony Hopkins as a narrator. Random. Random to me, because, yeah, he's Hannibal Lecter. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's not scary to you? You seem unfazed by the fact that.

[B]

No, I didn't think about it that way. I forgot about the narrator. But, yeah, it is a. It's a fun. It's unexpectedly fun. Yeah.

[A]

Right. You said you watched a couple of the other Grinches. Do you think. Yeah, tell me. Because, like, to me, I've only seen the 1961, and this one, I have not seen the 2017 one. So tell me.

[B]

Be real. I turn that off so fast.

[A]

This one?

[B]

No, the 2017 one.

[A]

Oh, okay, great.

[B]

I was gonna say, I gave it my best. I. So I said, I'm gonna watch them all because I want to be able to compare. I turned it on. I didn't like the animation. It was a little too, like, everything was a little too jovial for me. That's not the point of this movie.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Even the Grinch was too jovial for me. Like, why? Like, the Grinch was a little too, like, he had too much pep in his step. He's curmudgeon.

[A]

And let him be. That is it. It's the same animation style as, like, Despicable Me, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very similar. Very similar. And it was too cute. I felt like the Grinch was a little too, like, bubbly and upbeat. I didn't like that. I. I just wasn't into it. And they made a lot of changes. Again, I turned it off. I did read this, the plot, but I said, I'm not interested in this.

[A]

Can't do this well.

[B]

But they. But they, like, they. They make a lot of changes. Where, like, Cindy Lou, who got a single mama. Oh, why is her mama single? The brothers are not like teenagers. They're like young kids. Like, they make a lot of changes to the movie that just don't make sense.

[A]

Do they add. I'm like, I Wonder, I guess, like, I wonder how they up and read.

[B]

From it, because I thought it was really interesting.

[A]

Well, but part of me feels like I. And I think every generation probably feels this way. I'm like, I wonder if kids movies, kids movies now feel.

Like they, they lose a little bit of their grit. Like, I feel like that, like this, this Disney move or this Grinch movie that we had in the 2000s was like, it still had a little bit of grittiness to it. It was like four kids, but also adult, but not like sugar. Like, I feel like it wasn't just like bubblegum and sugar. Where I feel like things now just feel way too bright, too colorful, too not set in the reality where I think you like don't learn as much, if that makes sense.

[B]

Okay, so it was released in 2018, not 2017. And here is the. It's basically, you know, they give the story of the Grinch. The Whoville are humanoid people, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're excited about Christmas. One day, six year old Cindy Lou, who notices her single mother Donna, is overworked and trying to take care of herself and her twin infant brothers, Buster and Bean. Cindy Lou initially decides to send a letter to Santa Claus. Oh, spoiler alert. Because I know how y' all do, right? Okay, okay. Cindy Lou initially decides to send a letter to Santa Claus to help her mother. But after an encounter with the Grinch, who sarcastically tells her that it if the matter is so urgent, basically the Grinch tricks her into going to the North Pole. Oh, she runs away to the North Pole. She decides to try tapping. I don't understand this. Like, what are we doing?

[A]

So wait, is Santa a real character in this movie? In the 2018 one, this is a whole different story.

[B]

Yeah. Where I'm like, she decides to go to North Pole to talk to Santa himself. Donna tells her that a round trip to the North Pole would take a month. So she decides to try tapping her friends. And somehow the Grinch decides to steal Christmas In Olive.

[A]

That feels like a whole separate event. Like, I'm like, I'm not understanding how these things are happening. Like, shouldn't we be focused on the Grinch? This feels like it's about Cindy Lou who? And I'm like, I thought it was the Grinch who stole Christmas. What is going on?

[B]

What's happening? Like, I'm reading this and I'm like, what?

[A]

Like, why would this be the storyline? Well, also, I feel like, how does she have infant twins? Donna have infant twins without. I mean, now I get it. You can't. Hey, you can't. That.

[B]

I was gonna say, don't question how Donna get down. Don't question how Donnie gets down.

[A]

A hoo hoo. Through and through. I didn't mean to call her a hoo hoo. I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah, you keep bringing up hoo hoos, and when they cancel you for. For that, I ain't gonna say nothing.

[A]

So, you know, it is what it is, but. Yeah, that feels like. I wonder if it just sounds too convoluted when, like, we already know this story. And maybe. Then again, maybe that's why they did it, because they were like, well, you know the story. Let's do something new and different, I guess.

[B]

But it's not fun.

[A]

I don't want it.

[B]

To me. To me. But, yeah. So, like, he decides he's overwhelmed. He resolves to steal Christmas from the who's to alleviate his. His distress. And I'm just like.

[A]

That feels way less motivated. Like, yeah, like, what his motivation in this one makes way more like, to me, I think the 2000s, how the Grinch Stole Christmas is the best one, because it clearly lays out why he is the way he is. It tells you why he wants to steal it, and then you understand why his heart grows and he has a change of heart. I think it has a very clear point in it.

[B]

It also has a little bite in it. Even though it's a family movie, of course, this, to me, is missing the bite again. I didn't watch the whole thing. I watched, like, the first 20 minutes.

[A]

And I said, no, won't be doing.

[B]

But it just. I didn't feel no bite, and I wasn't interested.

[A]

Yeah, I. I wonder what does that one have on Rotten Tomatoes? Because I was actually surprised that this. The 2001, is, like, 59% on rotten tomatoes. It actually does. I know. I was like, I didn't realize, people. I mean, whatever. What is Rotten Tomatoes? But I didn't realize.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dislike this one like that.

And I Wonder what the 2018 one. Rotten Tomatoes.

Grinch. The 2001 is sitting at 50% and then 2017 is sitting at. Or it's 2018. I keep saying 2017, child. I want it to be 2017 so bad.

It's sitting at. It better be lower. 60%.

[B]

I knew it was gonna be higher. That's why I went to what's wrong with Y'? All. I knew it. I said, I bet you it's higher.

[A]

That's. You all are insane. I'm so sorry. That's crazy. To me. That's insane.

[B]

I knew it. I said, I bet you it's higher. I turned that shit off.

[A]

What did you mean by the time.

[B]

Cause I. And I like Tyler the Creator. I don't want to hear him happen in this. Cause, you know, Tyler Creator does, like, soundtrack stuff for this.

[A]

I did know that.

[B]

Yeah. It just. I don't want it. I don't. That's not what I want for the Grinch.

[A]

Maybe that's what it is. You know what it is? Because I'm pretty sure this is the same people who did Despicable Me.

[B]

Cause it does give me.

[A]

It is. I think it is elimination.

[B]

Yep. Yes.

[A]

So, yes. And I wonder if it's, like, the meme culture of it all. Because, like, you know how Despicable Me became a meme? Like, I wonder if that Grinch also became a meme in that way. And so, like, oh. Cause remember, like, young men were wearing suits to go see the Despicable Me movies. Like, that was. They were dressing up, right? So, like, I wonder if, like, that army. That same army of people is behind this one, and they bumped that score up because you were wrong. The 2000s Grinch is by far better. Better. It's so much better. It's so much better. It is.

[B]

It's a better movie. I have so many meltdowns on this episode. It's really incredible because I.

[A]

This is by far my favorite Christmas movie. Like, leaps and bounds. I can't. I watch this movie in July. Like, I start watching this movie very early. I love, love, love this.

[B]

And you feel like you watch it every year?

[A]

I do watch it every year. I watch it at least once a.

[B]

Year because I can't tell you the last time I've watched. I love the Grinch. It is a great movie. It holds up. But I can't tell you the last time I watched it, so it's okay. This is like an annual tradition for you.

[A]

Do you have a Christmas movie that you watch? Ann.

Okay, well, this. Okay, now I want to play, like, a game in terms of, like, do you like. Which Christmas movies do you think are smash or pass? Basically, like jam or pass, if that makes sense.

[B]

You gonna ask me, and I'm gonna be like, I can't remember. So. But go ahead, try.

[A]

Okay. How the Grinch Stole Christmas. This one, obviously, I'm gonna jam it. I'm smashing.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Home Alone.

[B]

Keep it. That's a classic.

[A]

I'm 50. 50 on that. I think it's fine. Home alone one home alone two.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I was very much talking about the first one. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Y. Please.

[B]

The first one, I think, is a classic. Can we keep.

[A]

I agree. Do you remember Jingle all the Way? I'm.

[B]

I don't know what the hell you talking about.

[A]

Shut up. That's the movie with Sinbad and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's about them fighting over the. The toy they want to go get the little. Oh, my God. You don't watch Christmas movies. That's insane. That is.

[B]

I like the one put one foot in front of the other, and it was like Kris Kringle. And it was the animated one. That is my fate. Now. If there's a movie that I watch every single year, it's called Santa Claus is Coming to Town. If there's an old watch. Yes. If there's a movie that I watch. Yes. It's like Claymation. If there is a. I know y' all said Claymation freaks y' all out. If there is a movie that I watch every single year, it would be Santa Claus is Coming to Town. It's that. It's just something about that is, like, very, like, put one foot in front of the other. I love that movie.

[A]

I love that you keep singing the song like I'm gonna remember it. I don't.

[B]

Yeah, because it's not ringing a bell to you. And that's it.

[A]

Is it the same one that I'm Mr. White Christmas, he's Mr. Snow. Is that not. No.

[B]

If it is, that's my least favorite song in it. Cause I don't know that.

[A]

I'm telling you, those movies are always on at Christmas, and I never.

[B]

I. I will stop. Like, I could be headed to the store. And if I.

How is Roger do it?

Why did she do that?

[A]

Why would she do that?

[B]

She could literally be headed out of the house. And. And if I see that is on the tv, I'm gonna sit down and watch it. It's a classic.

[A]

Insane. Okay.

[B]

It's a classic.

[A]

We can't all have sex jam.

[B]

What's next?

[A]

Elf?

[B]

I. I was scared. Cause I thought Elf was gonna come up, and I don't know. I can't remember nothing about that movie.

[A]

Really. Okay. I remember I used to say, pass. I watched it again recently, and it actually is a. It holds up.

[B]

I've heard.

[A]

I think it is. It's not better than how the Grinch Stole Christmas to me, but I understand why people like that movie.

[B]

I.

[A]

It came out in, like, saturation of. I guess it was the beginning of the saturation of Will Ferrell for me.

[B]

And I can understand that.

[A]

And so I was just like, I'm writing it out, but like, I do think it holds up better than some of his other movies.

[B]

I went to like a. I don't know if you. If you. Or if it's even a, like, big thing in la, but the, like Christmas bars around, like Christmas time pop ups. So. Yeah, so I went to a Christmas bar with some friends last week and he was like, like, it's time to watch Elf, the greatest Christmas movie that ever was. And I was like, I can't have this debate with you. Cause I don't remember nothing about that movie. I mean, I obviously know based on the title, I know the general contours of the damn movie, but I don't remember nothing about that movie.

[A]

It is good. But greatest Christmas movie of all time is.

[B]

He said it's time. And he was like, everybody knows what that is. And I was like waiting for him to tell me what it was. And he was like, elf. And I was like, oh, okay, sure.

[A]

Well, whatever that means.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Because when he was like, everybody knows what it is, I was like, no. Do we.

[A]

I can't tell. Actually. Yeah, I think Elf is fine. I think Elf is a little overhyped to me. It is overhyped, but it is good. It is. It holds up. But people love it. Polar Express also pass. I hate that movie.

[B]

I don't remember liking the Polar Express.

[A]

It's boring. It's boring in. The animation is scary. All those people look scary.

[B]

And I can't tell you the last time I watched it. And I don't plan to. Elf. I'm like, enough people say it holds up that I'm gonna rewatch that soon. I'm not watching Polar Express.

[A]

Do you remember the ultimate Christmas present? It was a dcom. And it is good.

[B]

That sounds so familiar.

[A]

It was like the one where they had like the weather machine and I think the song is in.

[B]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[A]

I barely remember the plot of that movie, but that was one of the movies I remember watching in high school.

[B]

Yeah. Because I'm like, I don't remember what it's about, but I really do remember the movie.

[A]

I remember that one being one of the movies. Like when I was saying earlier, there are movies that make me like, feel Christmas spirit. That is one. I don't know why, but something about that makes me feel like I love that.

[B]

Do you think that, like Brenda Song and Macaulay Cole can be making Their kids watch their Christmas movies around this time of year. I love that. Cause that's what I would do. Don't let me have nothing that I can turn on. Cause y' all gonna watch it every year.

[A]

I love that. I didn't even consider, but absolutely. They're like, back to back. Run it back. Like, you know how. What is that? The movie you'll get your eye. A Christmas Story. I wonder if they like. Like that's on a loop on tbs. I wonder if that is how they are. They're like, we just play Home Alone and the Ultimate Christmas, where if we.

[B]

Talk to their kids, like, when they become adults, they're like, I can't stand home.

[A]

I hate that.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

God damn. I don't want to see that shit again.

[B]

Good for them.

[A]

But honestly, your parents being like, two iconic people in Christmas movies, Great. I love this.

[B]

I think that's the thing that you come to appreciate when you get well, maybe. No, because that's fun enough that it's kid friendly.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

There's some things where, like, you hear celebrity kids be like, why would I give a damn that my mama did that? You don't come to appreciate it until you're, like, an adult and you can understand the light. But a Christmas movie is something that even a small child can enjoy. So I do think they would find it fascinating that their parents are in that. Yeah.

[A]

Especially I think the younger you are, the more you're like, look, it's you. Like, you. Yeah, it's cool to see your younger parents. And then the last one is Christmas with the Cranks, which I got. Never mind. You don't watch Christmas. It's one of my favorite movies. This one is like an adult Christmas movie about parents. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I love it. It's. They like. They pretend. I'm not gonna argue with you. Never mind. Never mind. You just don't tell me what.

[B]

They proceed to. What? Tell me.

[A]

They. Their daughter is not coming home for Christmas, so they cancel Christmas. And all their neighbors are pissed at them because they do like a. Basically, like, candy neighborhood street. Yeah. Like, everyone is like, oh, we decorate. And they're like, fuck that. We're to going at Tahiti. And then their daughter, last minute, is like, actually, I'm coming home. And they have to scramble to, like, bring Christmas together. It's very cute, very fun. I love that movie. But I feel like as a kid, I don't think I would have liked it. I liked it, like, as a teenager and adult, it's fun.

[B]

You know what's so funny is I. Like, the older I get, I realize I grew up in a music household, but not a movie household.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

I grew up in a household where music was always on and we were always listening to something dancing in the living room together, like mute. We were a very. We had a very musical household. And I realized I people, everybody didn't grow up with that. Cuz Ryan will come. Like, my boyfriend will comment sometimes where he's like, yeah, you're always playing music in the house. And like, I like it. It's just not a thing I grew up with. But on the opposite side, he is like a movie encyclopedia and can tell you every single movie known to mankind. Because he was. He grew up like they had all the. The movie channels and he was always watching films. And I just am realizing, like, I was not that kid. That's. So were you like that?

[A]

I. We were also a movie. Like, we would sit down and watch a movie or TV show. Like, there are several shows I remember watching with my family. We watched Desperate Housewives all the way through, like, as we did. And like, we would watch the Wiz all the time. Like, we were very much. We watched the Grinch together. Yeah, we were. We were a movie and TV family for sure. And not really music. I can't remember a time that, like, music was just in the house.

[B]

I was like, embarrassedly. I was embarrassingly, like, lacking in my black movie knowledge by the time I got to, like, college to the point that, like, my friends were like, this is socially unacceptable. And they put together a must watch list. Like, you need to watch this. And then we will discuss. Because you are not going to be out here going around the world and you ain't never seen none of these movies. And so I. And I like, went to my mom and was like, why didn't you make me watch that? And she was like, I don't know.

[A]

Well, okay. I. Cause I'm like, I will align with you there on some of the, like, black movies that people say that you have seen. Like, I've never seen Poetic Justice.

[B]

Oh, I had never seen that, but go ahead.

[A]

Yeah. I'm saying there are some of them that I'm like. Like, there are quite a few that I'm like, oh, I've never seen that. Like, I think I've seen. I get them confused. Don't be a menace. And then. What's the funny one?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is that the funny one?

[B]

Yeah. Don't. There's. Why drinking, yo. While drinking. You do?

[A]

Yeah. I don't think I've seen that one. But then there's Boys in the Hood, and I think that I get those confused. Are they the same? Are they not the same?

[B]

No, they're not the same. No.

[A]

Oh, I get those two movies. I put them as one thing. Don't Be a Menace and don't, don't, don't.

[B]

And boys, you're not getting no listener. That's the listener comments. The whole conversation next week is gonna be why Ryan Graham needs to be canceled. Because he thought Don't Be a Menace to Society and Boys in the Hood was the same.

[A]

Are they not? Are they. One is a spoof of the other, right?

[B]

No, but don't be a minute. The comic version of Don't Be a Menace is a. Is a spoof of Don't Be a Menace to Society. Like, it's a menace to society.

[A]

Oh, my God. That is a whole separate thing. I. Wait, no, no, no.

[B]

You could be right now, because now I'm confused now.

[A]

You throwing me off could be wrong. I thought. I think. I think they're the same, because in my brain, Don't Be a Menace is a spoof of Boys in the Hood. I don't think I've seen either, to be fair. Wait, no more stress than I get shot at the end of one of those.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, Don't Be a Menace. You throw me out. Don't Be a Menace is a spoof of Menace to Society.

[A]

But I don't know what the fuck that is. I've never even heard of that. What the fuck is that?

[B]

The wood.

[A]

I know what the wood is.

[B]

I've seen that.

[A]

I've seen the Best Man.

[B]

So. Yes, So I. But to be fair. To be fair, when I was, like, 18, I hadn't seen nothing. Oh, I hadn't seen nothing. I was like, mama, why you ain't made me watch Boys in the Hood? And she said I didn't want to see people die.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't want to see someone.

[B]

That's what she said. So I was not interested. I had seen Friday. Like, I think I had seen Friday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, there was a ton of movies that if I went down the list and named them all, everybody would be like, girl, what? We're never gonna speak to you again. This is deeply embarrassing. And I. I just didn't grow up in them. But I can. Encyclopedic knowledge of music, interesting. Of movies. I had to. And remember, like, I minored in film in college. So, like, then I started to, like, really have an interest in movies. I had that list for my friends. Like this was all around the same time, but before then, couldn't tell you.

[A]

Hate to say it. Hope it don't sound ridiculous.

Okay, I do want to ask one more question about the Grinch. Like, what do you think the overall, like. Cause obviously there's some themes of like racial tensions, but like, what do you think the overall thing is? Do you think it's more about like accepting people who are othered or do you think it's more about like, like anti consumerism? Because I love that he was an anti consumerism king.

[B]

I think it's about accepting people who are other. I think the negroes have made it a, you know, or people of color have made it like a like rate. You know, like played up the black thing. Yeah, yeah. The anti consumerism thing I think is like a B plot but also like very fascinating to me. Yeah, I.

[A]

To me that those elements of the movie. Like, I was like, oh, because we still struggle with this today. Like, I think everything just gets especially in the whole like, what's that? Mariah Carey just got in trouble for that ad with her It's Time video. How she's.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, it's interesting that like we still today like are like starting to wake up. Like this movie is 25 years old and I feel like we haven't completely woken up to like, hey, maybe Christmas.

[B]

Shouldn'T be slow it down. You know what's so interesting is like, this is the first year in a very long time that I've that in the influencer economy. Right? Because like five, six years ago, I don't think I was thinking about influencer. The influencer economy. But like, this is the first time in the influencer economy that I'm like, like, stop trying to sell me things. I am realizing that like it's specifically around this time. Like a lot of influencers talk about this is a really busy time of the year because a lot of brands are doing brand deals right around this time of year. And so like the gift guides, the this everything got a link.

[A]

I don't want.

Feels so blatant. Like, it feels like everyone is screaming at me that it's an ad. Like it's not even like hidden anymore where I'm like, I don't want everything to be buy more, sell more. Do that.

[B]

I'm like, can you just. So the guy, the links, the like, hey, this is the stuff you need to buy on Black Friday on Cyber Monday. On Small Business Saturday on Da da da Da. Like, I am just like, I am overwhelmed and I. This is for sure after Black Friday. This is the first time where I've been like, the influencers are taking me down. I can't take any more ads. I can't take any more like links or like gift guides or like I'm watching a YouTube vlog and the vlog is sponsored by Da Da. Like, I get it and I know you gotta get paid, but it is so heavy handed this time of year and I am stressed.

[A]

And also I just feel like some of it, something about this year feels like. Read the room.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I know. It feels mad. Like I don't know if this is the time for this y' all to have nothing.

[B]

We don't have it. Stop. Sufficient fund or like do a thing. Stop.

[A]

I'm trying. I tried to hit.

[B]

If you were going to do a thing, at least acknowledge it. Hey girl, I know y' all ain't got no money. This is the one thing you need to get on Black Friday if you gonna get anything. Because I know we really gotta pick and choose. Telling me to buy 55 things, I'm not doing it.

[A]

It's simply not like.

Also some of the Black Friday deals, I've been seeing people at Target like lifting up the signs and it's like the same price. It's the same price. Or. And it's like candles, two for $7. And then you lift up the side and it's like candles actually 14 or like. Yeah, it' one candle is.

[B]

Yeah. So it's just like, why are we playing? Like, I. But mind you, again, I've never been a shopper. I've never been a person who like, likes that. But in high school, just as a like social thing, I would get up every morning at the crack of D with my friends to go Black Friday shopping. I would just stand. I would just like go with them. I wouldn't buy nothing but like, I would go. And I'm just like, yeah, these prices. The Black Friday sales is not given. Black Friday is not giving sale.

[A]

These feel real prices. This feel expensive. It's like normal, normal prices. So yeah, I'm like, I don't, I don't. You're not selling me anything. Yeah, no, I do feel like this year it's is a little, little chaotic.

[B]

Yeah, I need everybody to cut. And I also, when I was in my early reporter days, I used to have to work the day after Thanksgiving and I used to have to go around to the Malls and, like, report on, like, the Black Friday lines and stuff. And that just pissed me off because why. Yes, there is a line like, do you want me to go out there in the event that they start fighting over a TV or something? What you want me to do about it? Like, I just never enjoy that coverage. Like, it annoyed me. Huh.

[A]

And also, in some weird ways, those feel like ads, too, because then it makes you the person at home being like, oh, I guess I need this tv. Because everyone's fighting over it. Everyone's fighting over a Beanie Baby or a Furby.

[B]

Why is everybody standing outside in that line like that? Like, yeah, so it just. I don't know. I never. I never liked it. And this is the first year since, like, influencing has become. I mean, you know, since we've kind of, like, had this, like, culture we're influencing is such a, like, natural part of it to where I'm just like.

[A]

I'm over it. I feel like you. Then you were. You would be a Cindy Lou who. Today you'd be like, hey, guys, maybe Christmas is something more. Maybe it's less buying stuff.

[B]

My mom is like that more and more, and my family hates it because she's like, what if we don't get each other gifts this year? What if we sponsor. What if we sponsor a family in need and we don't get each other gifts? And I'm always like, that's fine. And the other people in my family are like, like, no.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Why? And I'm like, good Lord. Yeah. Like, they're like, we'll. We'll send you some money to sponsor the family, but we're gonna give each other gifts. And my mom was like, I don't. And so my mother, being the baby, is like, I don't want a gift this year. And so then they're fighting because she's saying, if you get me a gift, you're ruining. That's my Christmas.

[A]

You're ruining my Christmas.

[B]

I don't want a gift. And then they're like, well, I'm gonna get you a gift. And it's like, oh, girl, just take the. Take the gift.

[A]

At that point, it's like, okay, if you must. If you must. Fine.

[B]

Yeah. So it's. It becomes a thing. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I. I do think the older I get, the more I also understand, like, a. I get what myself, what I want generally throughout the year. So I don't need.

[B]

I don't want that for you.

[A]

Oh. I mean, I don't mean it in Like a. Not even in, like, a flexing way, but just like.

[B]

No, but I think that's good.

[A]

So I don't know.

[B]

So by the time people ask you, I wanted it, I would have gotten it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So don't.

[A]

I often tell people, like, don't give me anything. Like, if you do something, I'd rather do something together or like. Like, send me. Give me a class. Like, do me something where I'm, like, doing something.

[B]

Oh, I like that.

[A]

Yeah. I don't. I don't need stuff. I feel like I have enough stuff. And I do think things together. Things like class together, eating together, dancing together, doing stuff like that.

[B]

That's a good idea. I really like that.

[A]

Yeah. To me, those are always better gifts. Stuff where you were with people and connecting. And I think that's kind of like the point of this movie to. For me, I think that. I think the bigger theme is a Accepting others and then also just. Just the. The spirit of Christmas and where your heart actually grows is, like, by doing and being with people who care for you and you care for.

[B]

So I don't know.

[A]

That's my home. That's my spiel. My soapbox for that. Yeah. Come on.

[B]

Heart, hands.

[A]

I know. Oh, I know, because.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know how to do that, and I'm not gonna try.

[A]

It hurts, and it's not a heart. It's much hard.

[B]

It hurts. It hurts. It's crazy.

[A]

The Gen Z heart hand is ugly and it hurts. This is painful.

[B]

Is that how you do it?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There it is. Look at it. Isn't it ugly? It's so ugly. But, yeah. No, I don't. Is there. I'm trying to think. Is there anything else while we.

[B]

Oh, well, we have not discussed Taylor Momsen's rock career, and I've been waiting for you to bring it up.

[A]

I am so sorry. Well, you could have interjected with her rock career. Because to be fair. Right. Okay, now I will say I know after I loved her in Gossip Girl, that was where I really tapped in.

[B]

Gossip Girl. Like that.

[A]

Her as Little J. She gave.

[B]

I mean, I know the show. I've seen it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

She gave them a run for their money. I love that she was like. She wouldn't put up with the shit, and I love that for her. My favorite line from Gossip Girl. Oh, go, go, go.

[B]

Oh, no, go ahead. What's your favorite line?

[A]

It's like, when it's like, why I love gin martinis. It's like Little Jay was at a Party with Blair. And she goes, oh, do you want a martini? And Lil J was like, Taylor Momsen was like, oh, I don't like vodka. And Blair was like, good, because these are gin, like a good martini should be. And I'm like, ever since then, I'm like, I will not have a vodka martini.

[B]

I won't have a vodka Martin martini.

[A]

Blair Waldorf said it has to be Jen.

[B]

I watched Gossip Girl, but I didn't like, I've seen episodes of Gossip Girl, but I was not like, watching it every week. I'm sure I haven't seen every episode kind of thing. No, I gotta be honest. But my favorite thing about Gossip Girl is like, the music from the folks that came out of Gossip Girl. So, like, good girl's gone bad, right? But what the hell is going on here? Why was she singing what's Happening but also Taylor Munson? Cuz I listen. I don't know if you listen to her rock songs. I listen to them. You make me wanna die. I'll never be good enough. Like, why, girl, are you okay?

[A]

Like, whoa, wait. It's dark like that.

[B]

You make me want to die. I'll never be good enough. You make me want to die.

[A]

My God. Cindy Lou who? What happened? I did not know. I knew she. Because I knew her rock era was like, very dark. Like, cuz it bled into her. Gossip Girl where like, her character also became like dark Eyeshadow.

[B]

And I like, you make me Want to Die was a single. That's make me want to Die. Yeah, that's. That's how she sing it too. And then what was the other one? Ms. Androgyny. Ms. Don't Care. Like, it was like very like.

[A]

Oh my God, like super moody. Not just like even normal moody. It's like.

[B]

No, Miss Nothing. Oh, that's the name of the other song. Ms. Nothing. Yeah.

[A]

Even her, like, rock Air. She's. Oh, she was at the VMAs this year and even then she was him. She's got abs like. Oh my God. She looks very strong. She looks like a wrestler.

[B]

Not as kind of scary good for Taylor. Don't do that. I like.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like not bad. It's just. I'm shocked by like, she's like, she could. She doesn't look like a wrestler. Like, I. I don't. I don't mean it in a bad way. She does look good. She's just very fit.

[B]

She is very, very fit. Wow. Yeah. But she missed nothing again. Y' all know I was.

I like to make fun of Sequoia, and Sequoia say that Sequoia liked the aesthetic of emo, but I was truly emo.

[A]

You were in it. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But, I mean, I never really wanted to die. That. That was a little much. But I did like the song. Yeah.

[A]

I did not know her music got that dark. That actively is crazy to me.

[B]

And it's just. I think it was really funny to me, the idea that this girl had a song called you'd make me want to die. And she was on Gossip Girl.

[A]

And also Cindy Lou Hoo.

[B]

She's literally also Cindy.

[A]

Like, her first thing was Cindy. Oh, you know what's crazy? They also just reunited.

[B]

Okay. So. Yes. Yep.

[A]

They reunited at the Rock hall of Fame this year. Holy.

[B]

I don't think I realized that she performed at the Rock hall of Fame.

[A]

Oh, is that where she did the song?

[B]

No, no, she did the Christmas song on YouTube. Like, she just made a YouTube video. But she performed at the Rock hall of Fame. I think they were inducting Soundgarden, and I think Jim Carrey did the, like, speech to introduce. I'm pretty sure I know she performed, and Jim Carrey did something there.

[A]

And.

[B]

And that's when they reunited. And she was just saying, like, she said she immediately felt like home. Like, he just felt like home for her because she remembers how, like, how well he treated her when she was a child.

[A]

I love.

[B]

I thought it was really great.

[A]

So sweet. Wow. Oh, I also. I love when, like, child co stars grow up and then they still, like, those reunions are always so cool and so sweet because it's like. I mean, I feel like the industry has to be hard and so, like, for them to continue in it and stay in it. And then also, like, like, oh, this person was kind to me.

[B]

And, like, I'll never forget that. And she was like, we had lost touch, but she said now they. I mean, mind you, the Rock and Roll hall of Fame was yesterday. But she was like, now we're more into, like, we're. We're. We've. We're in touch now.

[A]

We're in touch. Like, sure.

[B]

But yeah, So I thought that was really. I thought that was so cute. But I just remember being like, Taylor Momsen as Cindy Lou who. But I guess maybe that's why it made it so nice to me that she still embraces being Cindy Lou who because her rock is so, like, hard shift. Could the eyeliner be any thicker? You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, her lashes, like, basically touch her Eyebrows. And the eyeliner comes down to, like. It looks like she has, like, black eyes almost. It is, like, intense.

[B]

I love that she's like, what does me being Cindy Lou who have to do with me being a dark girl? You know what I mean? Like, I like that she is. She's not embarrassed. And I like that she's like, two.

[A]

Things can be true. Yeah. Why not? Cindy Lou, who grew up and got it.

[B]

The emo girls don't like Christmas.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. What is that? What has got to do with me?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And in fact, it makes the most sense that Cindy Lou, who grew up to be like this, she's like, did you see my family? Did you see the city I grew up in? Those people didn't give a It.

[B]

Actually, this is. Actually, this is the sequel. Who grows up and it's like, I'm starting a rock band. It's a little too. It's a little too.

[A]

Too cheery around here to get out of here. Have to, like. God, you're right. I'm sorry that I did not bring up the rock career because Fair and I don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And also, I didn't realize that they reunited because of her career. It's truly. And because of that. Wow. Wow. Okay. I. I will end this by asking. This is still my favorite Christmas movie. I know you don't watch them that much, but do you have. Do you have to name one? Oh, you told me. Never mind. It's the. Ah. Whatever. There's the Walking song. I was gonna ask you, but I remember it was something stupid because it was.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

I don't even know the One Foot.

[B]

In Front of the Others.

[A]

No one else tells.

[B]

Everybody knows it.

[A]

No, you don't. If you know this Christmas movie that Jewel is referencing. One Foot in Front of the Other doesn't even sound like Kringle. That. Yes, Kris Kringle exists. That's Santa's name. What I'm saying is, is that no one would. I don't think anyone knows this movie.

[B]

Yes, they do.

[A]

That One Foot in front of the Other doesn't even sound like a Christmas song.

That doesn't sound like Christmas.

[B]

I don't give a damn. And I'm gonna tell you right now, that was my movie. I loved that movie and put Christmas behind it because you know it's not gonna come up if you just put that. It's from Santa Claus.

[A]

Santa Claus is coming to town. This looks like a nightmare.

[B]

What year. What year did that movie come out? I. I Promise you it's from like the 50s.

[A]

It. What movie is this? Put one for 1970.

[B]

Okay, so it's a little older. I mean, it's a little newer than I thought, but that's my movie. I mean, I will say how to Grinch Stole Christmas to me is an instant classic. And like, it would be like, for sure for me. But yeah, I love Santa. I don't care. I love Saint clients come to town.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

I don't care.

[A]

Stupid.

[B]

I don't care.

[A]

Oh, wait. Okay, sorry. I do want to ask. I know I said this last, but now I want to ask this question. Who do you think would have a worst Grinch style crash out? Nicki Minaj, Donald Trump, Azalea Banks, or Drake?

I. Okay, I'm a ruling Drake out immediately. I don't think his Grinch style crash out. He's too. I think he's petty and it will be something like, quiet. It wouldn't be like a blow up. Blow up. But I definitely think he would do.

[B]

Something behind the scenes. It's behind the scenes, correct?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm torn between Trump and Azalea Guts, to be honest.

[A]

I agree. I think Nikki would just get on live. It's some kind of rant, like, it'll be some kind of like, long rant about why the. The who's were wrong and how they put one foot good foot, whatever. The. It would be something bad.

Yeah, please.

I think Donald Trump. I think Donald Trump would have a bigger crash out. He would be mad.

[B]

I wouldn't enjoy it. So that's why I gave it to Azalea.

[A]

Oh, that's fair. You know, Azaleas would be fun because she would be the one calling out consumerism in a way. She would do what the Grinch did. She would go down there and be like, you're buying all this back. Like, I feel like broken clock. Like, she's right, but she's wrong.

[B]

Really laugh at Azealia Banks either. Like, I find it hard to find any of these things funny, but I would find that funnier than Donald Trump. Yeah, Yeah. I was listening to. I was listening to our episode on Paris is Burning the Other. Like, literally earlier this week. And it was. You were like the problematic Gemini and you were talking about Azalea, but it was. The answer was not Azealia, but. And I was like, why are you dragging that lady out of nowhere? It was so funny. Like, good for Azaleas.

[A]

What was the answer? I love it. I can't remember what we were she.

[B]

Is a problematic Gemini. We were talking about work this pussy and.

[A]

Oh, and it was Teyana Taylor. Lol.

[B]

It was Teyana Taylor and it wasn't. But you were like the problematic Gemini, you know, And I was like, what? Like, how did. How did Azealia Banks get dragged in this? This is so funny.

[A]

To be fair, work that pussy sounds like an Azalea Banks song.

[B]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say to be fair, she is both problematic and two things can't be true.

[A]

Yes, both. All of those things are true.

[B]

That is a fair description of that lady. Yeah, whatever. All right.

[A]

And that's all we have for the show today. Thank you guys so much. Don't forget to write review us, comment, like, share on YouTube, Spotify, all the places. You can find [e-mail] BlackPeopleLoveParamore and you can find us on socials, PLP. And if you have questions, don't forget to send them to [e-mail]. we'd love to hear from you. And if you are also have never heard of that movie that Jewel has seen, please leave Snowman's in the comments.

[B]

I have to.

[A]

I'm going drag Dr. One more time. I am leave some snowmen in the the the comments. If you know that movie and if you don't, leave green hearts for the Grinch, that's what we're gonna do. If you made it this far and you don't know that movie, we need to let Jewel know that she's watching something that no one knows. Or maybe I'm wrong. I'm sorry I had to circle back.

[B]

The funny part is it could be nothing but green hearts and I'm still not gonna give it. Damn. It's still going to be the movie that I like. I'm still going to talk about it. You're not going to shut me up. So here we go.

[A]

That's fair, you know. And so what? And so what now?

[B]

So what now?

[A]

Now we wrap up with the end of this podcast. Thank you guys so much for listening and we will see you next week. Bye.

Sam.