Kimora Lee Simmons

Summary

Black People Love Paramore — Episode Summary

Episode: Kimora Lee Simmons
Host: Sequoia Holmes, with co-host Jewel Wicker
Date: January 8, 2026

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode takes a nostalgic, humorous deep dive into the legacy of Kimora Lee Simmons and her iconic fashion brand Baby Phat. Sequoia and Jewel reminisce on the importance of Baby Phat (and other early 2000s Black urban brands) for Black culture, discuss Kimora’s impact as a Blasian (Black + Asian) pop culture figure, reflect on the evolution of reality TV, and candidly examine body image, familial dynamics, and problematic relationships within Black pop culture history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Baby Phat Nostalgia and Black Fashion Staples

• Baby Phat as a status symbol:
  • Jewel jokes she "literally only wore Baby Phat" growing up, underscoring the brand’s ubiquity among Black girls in the early 2000s (03:07).
  • The hosts discuss the price range and prestige, sharing how important sales and coupons were for their families to access these coveted brands.
• Related brands & memories:
  • Shout-outs to Fat Farm, South Pole, Rocawear, Sean John, Apple Bottoms, and FUBU—the full landscape of “aspirational” Black streetwear brands of the late '90s and 2000s (03:44, 04:11).
  • Iconic piece: Baby Phat puffer with the fur hood, matching sets, and jeans with the rhinestone cat.

QUOTE [03:14] - Sequoia:
“Did you fat farm at all?”
Jewel:
“I had a little Fat Farm because my cousin... But don't let there be nothing new at the Macy's from Baby Phat.”

Kimora Lee Simmons’ Influence & Media Career

• Reality TV Pioneer:
  • Recounting Kimora’s reality TV run: Style Network’s Life in the Fab Lane (2007–2011) and House of Fab (2013), which focused on her personal and business life. Noted her return with Back in the Fab Lane on Bravo, now featuring her grown children (06:35).
• Self-help ethos:
  • Jewel reminisces on Kimora’s ‘fabulosity’ self-help book—“lean in/girlboss” before it was trendy, full of motivational content (07:41).
• Blasian representation:
  • The hosts reflect on Kimora’s role in making Blasian identity visible in pop culture; Sequoia notes, “I feel like she put Blasian on the map” (09:10).

QUOTE [07:41] - Jewel:
“I had ‘Fabulosity.’ Like, what the hell does that mean?... It was like, literally how to live your best life with love.”

QUOTE [09:10] - Sequoia:
“She put Belaysian on the map, on the pop culture map.”

Highs and Lows of Being Kimora (and Her Family)

• Modeling prodigy:
  • Signed by Chanel at 13, Kimora walked for Fendi, Valentino, YSL; appeared on Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, Elle—“icon” status is agreed upon (12:27).
• Fun, authenticity, and shade:
  • Both hosts note Kimora’s magnetic presence (“She’s fun... doesn’t take herself too seriously,” Jewel, 12:51).
  • Sequoia notes Kimora’s recent subtle shade toward ex-husband Russell Simmons on her press tour (13:22).

QUOTE [12:27] - Sequoia:
“She got the Chanel contract... She was on the cover of Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, Elle magazine. Like, icon. You actually can’t touch her.”

QUOTE [12:51] - Jewel:
“She also seems like a person who doesn’t take herself too seriously in a way that I enjoy. Sometimes Kimora be saying stuff, and I’m like, Kamora Walla. Like, I know you was in them streets.”

Reality TV as a Cultural Touchstone

• Old vs. new reality TV:
  • Hosts reminisce about the coziness of “fun” reality TV (Life in the Fab Lane, Rev Run’s House, early Kardashians) vs. the current era’s “maximalist” drama, e.g., Real Housewives and Mormon Wives (14:01, 14:51).
• TV myth-making:
  • Acknowledgement that reality TV often omits or glosses over real, complicated issues—like baby Phat’s near disappearance for years, or not addressing Russell Simmons’ controversy directly (15:11–20:35).

QUOTE [14:01] - Sequoia:
“This is when reality TV was fun, where it was not so much drama that it felt OD. It was like everyday mundane drama, but it was familial. It was cozy.”

Baby Phat’s Resurgence and Y2K Nostalgia

• TikTok and the revival:
  • Noting early 2000s trends and how young consumers are “bringing back” Baby Phat, inspired by TikTok and social media (24:40).
• Body image discourse:
  • Genuine concern about toxic body positivity trends returning with Y2K fashion (“heroin chic,” “ED talk,” 25:08–27:23).

QUOTE [24:40] - Sequoia:
“Do I want some Baby Phat in 2026? I fear that I do. I need that little cat on my ass.”

The Specialness of Baby Phat for Black Girls

• Body inclusivity:
  • Jewel and Sequoia agree that Baby Phat and similar brands catered better to Black bodies than some white mainstream brands (27:45).
• Maximalist, fun aesthetic:
  • From animal prints to monogrammed logos: “Baby Phat was Black people’s Juicy Couture,” says Sequoia (27:45).
• Accessory and detail nostalgia:
  • Commentary on the charms, buckles, and the golden age of maximalist Black fashion (29:33–30:01).

QUOTE [27:45] - Sequoia:
“Baby Phat was Black people's Juicy Couture—not that we also didn’t Juicy, because we did!”

QUOTE [28:43] - Sequoia:
“Baby Phat was maximalist. It was very maximalist... An animal print moment. Like it was giving.”

Body Image, Parenting & Intergenerational Pressure

• Kimora’s daughters, trauma & body talk:
  • Candid discussion of the fraught relationship Kimora’s daughters (Aoki & Ming) appear to have with their bodies and each other, prompted by growing up with a supermodel mom and the hyper-visible Y2K beauty standards (34:55–37:12).
  • Personal stories from the hosts about strict Black (and Asian) single mothers, high expectations, and household discipline (41:07–44:21).

Memorable Moment [35:30] - Sequoia & Jewel:
“Aoki immediately switched... ‘In this house, you know what that word means!’”
Revealing deep-seated body image codes within Black/Asian-American households.

QUOTE [37:12] - Sequoia:
“I can’t imagine she had a healthy relationship with her body. I can’t imagine her kids have a healthy relationship with their bodies in turn, or at least they gotta undo a lot of it.”

The Russell Simmons “Elephant in the Room”

• Omission critique:
  • Extended talk about the discomfort of watching Back in the Fab Lane not properly address Russell Simmons’ scandals or the reality of his being in Bali (16:10–20:35).
  • A nuanced, empathetic conversation about how public and private trauma is handled by families—especially those in the limelight.

QUOTE [20:04] - Jewel:
“I am coming at it from a, like, this is on television. And I do think you have a duty to address the elephant in the room because you can do that and not put us put it on television. It's not my business... But I think when it’s on television, it does become a, like, glaring omission.”

Kimora as Blueprint for the Modern It-Girl/Influencer

• Legacy acknowledged:
  • The hosts agree Kimora laid the groundwork for “monetize every aspect of your life” influencer/celebrity culture—directly preceding the Kardashians (49:52–51:01).
  • The connection in timeline between Life in the Fab Lane and Keeping Up with the Kardashians is noted as more than coincidence.

QUOTE [50:40] - Sequoia:
“There’s something about the trajectory of Kimora Lee Simmons’ career and the trajectory of Kim Kardashian’s career that feels very inspired by Kimora Lee Simmons… the OG Influencer.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• [03:07] Jewel: “Damn, I was Baby Phat girl, dead. That's all I wore.”
• [09:10] Sequoia: “I feel like she put Blasian on the map, on the pop culture map.”
• [12:27] Sequoia: “She got the Chanel contract... Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, Elle... icon. You actually can’t touch her.”
• [14:01] Sequoia: “This is when reality TV was fun, where it was, like, not so much drama that it felt od. It was like everyday mundane drama, but it was familial.”
• [24:40] Sequoia: “Do I actively want some Baby Phat in 2026? I fear that I do. I need that little cat on my ass.”
• [27:45] Sequoia: “Baby Phat was Black people’s Juicy Couture.”
• [35:10] Jewel: “Aoki immediately switched... ‘In this house, you know what that word means!’”
• [37:12] Sequoia: “I can’t imagine she had a healthy relationship with her body. I can’t imagine her kids have a healthy relationship with their bodies in turn, or at least they gotta undo a lot of it.”
• [50:40] Sequoia: “There’s something about the trajectory of Kimora Lee Simmons’ career and the trajectory of Kim Kardashian’s career that feels very inspired by Kimora Lee Simmons… the OG Influencer.”

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Important Timestamps

• 00:44 – 06:26: Reminiscing on Baby Phat, Fat Farm, Apple Bottom, and shopping memories
• 06:26 – 13:22: Kimora’s career as a model, entrepreneur, and TV personality
• 14:01 – 16:59: Reality TV nostalgia vs. present-day drama and critique of TV “myth-making”
• 16:59 – 20:35: The Russell Simmons Bali controversy and its omission from the new show
• 24:40 – 32:29: Baby Phat’s TikTok-fueled comeback and early 2000s trend revival
• 34:55 – 37:12: Aoki and Ming dynamics, body image, and mother-daughter legacies
• 41:07 – 46:29: Growing up with strict single moms, generational parenting reflections
• 49:52 – 51:12: Kimora’s influence as blueprint for the modern “It Girl”/influencer

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Tone & Style

• Conversational and Candid: Lots of shared stories, affectionate teasing, and open discussion of serious and goofy topics.
• Playfully Critical: Willingness to call out nostalgia’s pitfalls (e.g., body image), TV’s selective history, and celebrity culture’s contradictions.
• Nostalgic but Forward-Looking: Embraces Y2K revival but with a critical lens on what does and doesn’t deserve to come back.

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Final Thoughts

The episode skillfully blends personal nostalgia, cultural critique, and deep appreciation for Kimora Lee Simmons as a Black and Blasian trailblazer. Through candid conversation and laughter, Sequoia and Jewel surface nuanced insights about representation, family, legacy, and the enduring power of Black girlhood fashion. For listeners who missed the 2000s or weren’t there, this episode is a vibrant, honest map of why Baby Phat (and Kimora) still matter.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture podcast, not about the band Paramore, but about the common and uncommon interests of black people in order to make us feel a little bit more seen. I'm Sequoia.

[B]

I'm Jewel.

[A]

And today we are talking about what we talking about Baby Fat and Kimora Lee Simmons.

[B]

What are we talking about? Hello.

[A]

I was reading and it did and it didn't. It wasn't there. So it was computing, you know what I mean? So it didn't compute for me all the way. But before we start talking about the icon, the legend, the myth herself, Kimora Lee Simmons, go ahead and take a second and hit five stars for me. Hit five stars. If you're listening in Spotify. If you're listening on Apple Podcasts, go ahead and rate us 5 stars. Leave a comment. I love hearing from y', all, especially on Spotify. Spotify lets you comment now. Love hearing from y'. All. If you're watching this on YouTube, always feel free to drop a comment and subscribe. Tell a friend about this podcast too. That's something that I would like more of in the new year. If you rock with us, if you rock with me, Jewel Ryan. Tell a friend, hey, there's three very dope that do this podcast and it's so fun and I think you like it. If you like Paramore or pop culture in general, tell your friend.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

I appreciate it very much. That's really it. Also, we have merch, y'. All. Y' all not really buying it, so we might. We might change it or something. Something might have to give. Oh, also, we are really leaning into bonus content this year. So if you are a maximum fun member, go ahead and become one because we are going to be making some bonus content that is solely behind the paywall. You can give us as little as like, I think the minimum amount is $5. You can get us $5 and you'll get access to the entire $5. I think it's $5 a month.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

It's either $5 or a dollar. I really don't know, but that's a lot. That's a 5x difference. Anyways, if you have it, I would love to get it because I'm unemployed now. Me and Jewel both. So not.

[B]

You put my business in it. I mean, it is true. Damn. Maybe I had told everybody I have no job.

[A]

Two broke girls. So he was going to say, you.

[B]

Trying to stop me cuz you didn't already call me unemployed now you can't Be a.

[A]

An unemployed. Really did feel like I was dragging it, so I had to. I had to pull it back a little bit.

[B]

Wait, can you see video? When. So when folks watch on Spotify, is it audio only or is it video too? Oh, that's how you know I'm not a Spotify girly.

[A]

Okay, yeah, she's an apple girl. That's okay. We like apple too. We like them all. So, yeah, come watch us. Come look at our faces. We have a good time. But let's get down to business. We're here to talk about baby fat. Do y' all remember the fashion line that is baby fat by one Kimora Lee Simmons Jewel? Do you remember it?

[B]

You know damn well you were a.

[A]

Baby fat girl, weren't you?

[B]

Damn. I was baby fat girl, dad. That's all I wore.

[A]

It gives me three first day of school outfit.

[B]

No, it was every day of school.

[A]

Oh, you were rich.

[B]

I literally only wore baby fat.

[A]

You only wore baby fat.

[B]

I mean, every now and then I'm sure I would switch it up and wear something. I exclusively pretty much was in baby fat.

[A]

Okay, so you was giving baby fat. You was giving. Did you fat farm at all?

[B]

I had a little fat farm because my cousin. So my aunt would shop for me and my cousin and he would get the fat farm. He would get Rockaware. Sometimes I would get some stuff if she saw some cute pieces. But don't let there be nothing new at the Macy's from baby fat.

[A]

Yep, because we're getting it because it's.

[B]

Already in my closet.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's very fair. Fat farm, South Pole, Rockaware. Oh, Sean John. Even I feel like Sean John was boy, but like, yeah, it was like all of that.

[B]

Oh, bottom to it. Oh, baby apple bottom. I didn't. I didn't apple bottom too hard because I didn't have. You know what I mean? But I feel like that was for the thick girls. I felt it was for the people who had apple bottles.

[A]

Oh, I didn't real. I didn't. It never computed to me that that might. That might be a thing.

[B]

Apple bottom jeans, boots with the fur.

[A]

I have those. Yes, I did.

[B]

So I did. I did apple bottom. I just didn't apple. But there. I didn't do anything the way I baby fat.

[A]

Okay, so baby fat was dead serious.

[B]

Baby fat was dead serious. It was all. I wore it. Like, I was talking to my best friend the other day and she was like, yeah, I remember going to Macy's and asking my mama, can I get that jacket. And she was like, this ain't Jewel house. That jacket. $90, baby. Put it back.

[C]

Ooh.

[A]

Was it that expensive? I actually don't remember baby fat being like that expensive.

[B]

I don't remember how much it cost. I do know if it was up to my mama, I would have none of it. So thank God she also had them coupons on. She had them. She had the. You know what I'm saying? She had the discount. She was a sales girly. She was going to know what day everything this went on sale. So she was never playing for a price. Yeah, if it was up to my mama, I'd have been in none of that. Did you wear FUBU?

[A]

I can't remember if I FUBU'd. I don't think so, though.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't think I ever really. Fubu.

[B]

Did you? I'm pretty sure I had fubu. If it was street wear. FUBU had some. I don't remember if fubu. I know for sure. Fat Farm. I feel like I had some Sean John. I just know if it was street wear and they sold it or Macy's.

[A]

That was happening. No, that's fair.

[B]

That was really it.

[A]

I would get it like a little bit secondhand from like Marshalls or Ross or something like that. Like, if they had a Rockaware or Baby Feather, boom, I'm going to get it.

[B]

That's how, you know, I didn't grow up in a shopping household, though, because that took vision and effort to go and like, you know what I mean? Like.

[A]

And I planning hate it, actually, if it's one thing that I don't like, it's a store where everything is kind of mixed together.

[B]

And so you just kind of got to have the vision. You got to have a patience. You got a plan. I ain't never had none of it.

[A]

And I don't. And I don't. I was. I was in there grabbing whatever said baby fat on it. No matter if it looked good together or what, it didn't matter.

[B]

And one thing about me again, my auntie shop for all my clothes, but one thing about me, I had the sets. I had the matching skirt.

[A]

I loved a set. Okay, wait, before. Okay. I feel like we. We getting.

[B]

Yeah, you jumped ahead. Okay.

[A]

Baby fat started in 1999.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I didn't realize that it was that old question mark.

[B]

It makes sense because by the early 2000s.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right. She ventured into reality television. Kimora Lee, I mean, alongside her family, starring in a Style network reality series. Kimora Life in the Fab Lane that ran Style network. You don't remember sound network?

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. I think it has stuff like this. Like, it wasn't okay. It wasn't like, you know, okay, it was cute. It ran from 2007 to 2011. And then she had another show, Kamora house of Fab that came out in 2013, and that one focused primarily on her business side of things. Whereas life in the fab lane was her family and her business. It was kind of Kimora's whole life and her whole entity. And then now she has a new show on Bravo, Kamor, back in the fab lane, all her kids are grown up. These are the same kids that we watched on the initial shows. It's insane that they're grown now. It's really cute.

[B]

I also think I was. I watched the show and the new show and I just was like, oh, I not only was into baby fat, I was like, very into Kamora. I had her book. She had a self help book.

[A]

You had her book, baby?

[B]

I had fabulosity. Fabulosity, like, what the hell does that mean?

[A]

Kimora?

[B]

What was she talking about? I had. It was like, literally how to live your best life with love.

[A]

Is it soft girl before soft girl, or was it like lean in girl boss?

[B]

Yeah, it was close to the leading girl boss, from my recollection. And I went back and I read some reviews too, and I was like, yeah, like the. Like she talks about how she wrote herself, like a check with a big number on it because she knew she would one day be able to cash it. And that was like her vision board check. Like, it was very like.

[A]

Like that.

[B]

It would have been an Oprah book club. You know what I mean? Like, Oprah, like the secret. Like, it was very much in that vein. Like, she was. I do remember feeling like some of it would probably be outdated today. Dating stuff. She was young. Like all of this stuff. You know what I mean? But she had a lot of like, oh, if he invited you today, don't call that man back. You're not available.

[A]

Stop it.

[B]

Because why did he call you today? He had somebody else that was supposed to go and they dropped out.

[A]

I don't. I mean, it's low key. Giving words to live by. Because that feels true today to this day.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I remember. But I would have been in middle school reading that book. Like, I remember. I was very much. You know, I was an auntie. I read. I had fabulosity. I had confessions of an heiress By Paris Hilton. I had all the girls self help books because I was determined to live my best. Fabulous heiress, mind you. Heiress, you have to be born into that. That's not. You do that you can just hop into. But not to me, in my brain, I thought I could.

[A]

That's okay. I respect that.

[B]

Yeah. So, yeah, I was into it. I was into it.

[A]

Now, Ms. Kimora Lee Simmons has done so much for. For Blasians, for the Blasian community. I feel like. I feel like she put. Obviously, Blasians exist before. I feel like she put Belaysian on the map, on the pop culture mat.

[B]

You know, it's interesting because they have a conversation in the new show where they're going to like, this, like, Asian American, or. I don't know if it was just Americans, but Asian, like, award show kind of thing where you honor, like, folks who are in Hollywood and in media and entertainment who are of Asian descent. And her kids are like, I want to find me a Asian. Like, I want to find me. Like, they talking about all the different, like, me and they trying to find or whatever. What is a. Oh, that's a white. A. Like, she was like, what's that? And I'm like, Mara. So anyway, it's just really funny because she did not seem very into the Wan Blasion conversation. She seemed very over it when they was in the car talking about it. And I said, girl, you don't know how many conversations you done spun about ablation. And I get why you sick of it, girly? Because they did does get a little bit reductive. They are playing with you just a little bit.

[A]

She said, I've absolutely had enough of this. I'm not mad at it. Who are some other relations that came after her? We got Janae Aiko. We have Tyson Beckford. Question mark. Yes. I'm. I'm like, hold on. Is Tyson Beckford Asian? It literally came up. It was the first. Oh, he's. He's not.

[B]

Because what? Oh, hold on.

[A]

It says this is the AI overview. So, you know, this should be playing. Yeah, no, he is. No, Tyson Beckford is not Asian, but he has significant Asian heritage through his father, who is half Jamaican and half Chinese. So, yeah, he's Asian.

[B]

I had no clue. Mind you.

[A]

You can't see it. Me too.

[B]

I had the huge. I did not know that. But I was Tyson Beckford, me was fine.

[A]

He was my background on my screen for a really. It was actually. It was too long, actually. It was a little embarrassing.

[B]

Finally, we have found a Man. That Sequoia and I can. Can be in agreement on.

[A]

What's crazy is it has to be the most undeniably beautiful. Literally this, though, you know, Literally, like, we can't agree on the regular, but we were like, we have to agree on an actual perfect. Like a perfect specimen.

[B]

Specimen of a man. Yeah, absolutely. And we're. We're aligned there, sister.

[A]

Just like this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyways, at. Did you know at 13, Kahmora was signed to a modeling agency with Chanel? Sure.

[B]

I read it in the book Child, but I do not remember that. I know she modeled from a young age, and she.

[A]

13.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Isn't that crazy?

[B]

So in the new show, her son was 15. Is like, I want to be a model. And she's like, I don't like that because. And I think a part of it is because she was a model at 13.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was a model in the, like, model era, like, supermodel. You know what I mean? Like, it was getting a little. It was the height, but also a little spooky. Ooky.

[A]

Like, very spooky.

[B]

You know what I mean? So I think she talks about the fact that her kids, although they have model. They always model for baby fat. They always model under her to where she kind of knew supervision, where things were going. Because I'm like, I can't even imagine the type of stuff that she probably. You know what I mean? At 13.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a lot. Yeah.

[A]

Being a model. Like a Runway model at that. Yeah. She got the. The Chanel contract. She then went on to walk runways for Fendi, Valentino, ysl. She. She was on the COVID of Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, Elle magazine. Like, icon.

[B]

You.

[A]

You actually can't touch her. It's. It's. It's insane. It feels like to me, she's like the OG Kim Kardashian.

[B]

I also want to say she's fun. Like, it's not even really just that she's, like, pretty and successful. She also seems like a person who doesn't take herself too seriously in a way that I enjoy because sometimes Kimora be saying stuff, and I'm like, kamora Walla. Like, I know you was in them streets. Like, you know how they say scissor be lying? Sometimes I look at Kamora and I.

[A]

Be like, a liar is that you're not telling the truth. You're not.

[B]

But it's so fun. Like, she just seems like such a fun person to be around. Yeah.

[A]

I've been watching her on this press tour that she's on to promote Back in the Fab Lane. And it is very fun. She seems so authentic, so comfortable in herself, and also entertaining and engaging and funny, like you said. I like she been throwing a little shade at Russell lately because, as you should through a little. I think they were married for 10 years. I think they got married or something about it.

[B]

More than that.

[A]

Okay, okay. Something about that. They were. They were married for a. A minute, obviously. And we have since found out that Russell Simmons is an abhorrent human being. I wonder how Rev running them felt about that. That's what I've been thinking about for a long time. I'm like, how did the reverend feel about. About his brother being weird?

[B]

Being. You know what I will say, though, is like, I want to circle back to that. But one thing I will say about, because you mentioned Rev Run is like, I was watching Back in the Fab Lane this week, and I was like, this is when reality. This reminds me of when reality TV was fun, where it was, like, not so much drama that it felt od. It was like everyday mundane drama, but it was familial. It was fun. It was cozy. Like, it just. You know what I'm trying to say 1000%. Like, I feel like Rev Run show was like that. I feel like back in, you know, Fab Kamora's show was like that.

[A]

I used to watch early Kardashians was.

[B]

Like, yeah, Like, I feel like those shows were like. I was watching that this week and I'm like, dang, I missed when reality TV was fun.

[A]

Like, no, me too. Now it's just like, od. Now we have Mormon Wives. Have you. Have you watched Mormon Wives?

[B]

I watched the first season.

[A]

Okay. I watched the first season, too. People keep telling me to tap into the third season because they said I didn't need to watch second season. Like, I could just happen to. Third season is going to be very interesting. My issue with, like, Mormon Wives and the like is it is just so dramatic. It feels like I'm watching people ruin their lives sometimes, you know? And I'm like, yo, that's not fun.

[B]

And here's the thing. All reality TV is a little, like, everybody lying. Like, even when I was watching Back in the Fab Lane, and she's like, you know, baby fat is celebrating 25 years. I'm like, technically. But baby fat just kind of came back. It was not like this full 25 years. Baby fat has been, like, up and running and successful. Right? I get that on a TV show Though you got to say that, because that is how you make baby fat become up and running and successful again, is to, like, sell this, like, image of baby fat, right? And so, like, some of the stuff when I'm watching the show, I'm just like, girl, that ain't the full truthful. That ain't really quite how to happen. Yeah, but it's so fun that I don't really care, but it's it. And it's lying about things. I mean, I'm not saying that that's a minimal thing to lie about, but the drama on certain reality TV shows, it just gets to be like, okay, please, it's maximalist.

[A]

And I'm like, I just want minimalism. Can I just have a little bit of interpersonal family drama? Like, you know, like, something cute. Like, everybody mad at Aoki for leaving the country and coming back or whatever. And I think she went with her dad, question mark.

[B]

Okay, okay. Because that's the thing again, like I said, this is very, like, image making, myth making stuff, because again, we don't mention that baby. Where did baby fat go? It was not been here this whole 25 years. Also, the overarching plot line of the series is Aoki going to Bali and saying she was gonna go for a couple weeks, being gone for six months, coming back, and her siblings being like, we feel neglected. You've been. You think you can pop back up here and get back in our lives? Like, I'm 15, I'm 10. I don't remember you. Or you. Like, I. I got resentment because you've been gone. You know what I mean? Whatever. Like, all of this, like, melodramatic teenager stuff, but fair. And then she goes back at the end of the season, and it's like, we not gonna mention who else live in Bali. Like, they never mention why she's in Bali. And I. I'm not in Bali, so I don't know. Maybe she was randomly in Bali at the same time.

[A]

Girl, now, you know damn well she was not.

[B]

Allegedly. You know what I'm saying? Who am I to say?

[A]

They said she spent the holidays with him.

[B]

Like, but the kind of part where I'm like, okay, like, we are telling a full story without telling the full story, because this is literally. It's not a small part of this.

[A]

It's actually huge.

[B]

It is a major plot point in the season that she goes off to Bali.

[A]

I will even say Russell Simmons is a major part of baby Fat and Kimora Lee Simmons life because they were married for so long. They had so much public stuff go on together that it kind of is a weird gaping hole to never address again. Yeah. She's with her dad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In Bali.

[B]

I would allow, because in a lot of the, like, episodes, she'll be like, my three exes, and then they'll, like, show a face and, like, blur them out kind of thing. That's a funny way of acknowledging that is hilarious. Be married, we ain't got. That is hilarious. They pictures ain't gonna be shown on my TV show. Like, I think that's funny. Okay. You don't have to acknowledge it much more than that because this is your show.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Bali being a major plot point for eight episodes and U.S. not acknowledging why she might be in Bali for six months feels strange.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially for Kimora to then go on her story. Well, I guess Russell has been like, yeah, saying some little stuff. You're keeping me away from my kids. Blah, blah. So weird to say about grown ass women.

[B]

Call them baby.

[A]

They're so old.

[B]

What do I have to do? That girl is in her mid-20s.

[A]

That same line doesn't work when they're in their 20s, y'. All. But y' all all be trying to run that same play Kanye said about Kim Russell saying about Kimora. The children are old, baby. They have their own phones. You have a direct line to them. You don't have to go through me.

[B]

I really don't even have to be involved about it at all.

[A]

I don't have to know, actually. At all.

[B]

Yeah, I thought that was a weird thing. But, yeah, like, I, I, I didn't know how much of a story. I'mma be honest. I didn't know nothing about the girl going to Bali. I ain't know none of that until I watched the show. And then I was like, oh, she was over there for six months. And I literally, like, four episodes in, I'm like, wait a damn minute.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Rustling. But, like, I lit because they did it so much that I forgot. And it was like four episodes. And I said, russell Simmons.

[A]

Yeah, he do.

[B]

I'm on thread searching Russell Simmons, Bali, Aoki, Russell. Like, I'm literally being like, is anybody gonna mention that? No, we need eyes on Bali. What is going on? So that was weird to me. But overall, the show is fun.

[A]

And then Kamora went on her story and said, russell and Bali, because. Right. United States can't extradite him from Bali in order to process him.

[B]

And I will say, listen, this is not me excusing Russell Simmons because I don't Give a damn about Russell Simmons. I do not have a parent who has been accused of such egregious things.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I, in my late teens and early twenties, have to reckon with the person I know versus the person who is being accused of things. It is mortifying to me.

[A]

Traumatizing.

[B]

So, like, I'm not even coming at it from a super. I do think, eventually think it is a moral and ethical decision that you have to, like, figure out. But I'm not even really coming at it from a, like, judgment of AO at all.

[A]

@.

[B]

All. I am coming at it from a, like, this is on television. And I do think you have a duty to, like, address the elephant in the room because you can do that and not put us put it on television. It's not my.

[A]

Business.

[B]

Right. That's your parent. That's your family stuff. You figure it out. But I think when it's on television, it does become a, like, glaring ocean to where it's a little weird.

[A]

Yeah. That's your journalist brain turning on for sure. Yeah. She said make it make.

[B]

Sense. I don't like.

[A]

That. She said, it's not quite. It's not quite you pretending that.

[B]

Baby fat has been around for 25.

[A]

Years. It don't make.

[B]

Sense. It don't make sense, but.

[A]

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[A]

Podcast. Now. I will say baby fat is having its little resurgence. I was looking at Tick Tock. Me too. I was looking at Tick Tock preparing for this episode. And I'm seeing girls in their matching baby fat sets. And I'm seeing baby fats, actual social media. And I'm seeing Kimora lay out all of the jeans that they currently offer at Baby Fat. And they look modern and nice. And I'm like, wow, do I actively want some baby fat in 2026? I fear that I do. I need that little cat on my ass. I need that little cat on my back pocket.

[B]

Immediately. You know, I think that the girls are having an early 2000s nostalgia moment in a way that I gotta be honest, I'm a fan.

[A]

Of. I'm into.

[B]

It. I was there the first time and I'm here the second.

[A]

Time. You know what? I'm into it when it's positive because sometimes it gets real funny. What you mean the girls getting funny about their bodies again? Oh, it's that heroin chic that was happening at the same time, when low rise pants were in, everybody was showing how teeny tiny their.

[B]

Stomach. Stay out of it. I feel like everybody turns a blind eye to, to that stuff when it's. They fave. A lot of people's fave where I've been looking at and I'm like, this is like very toxic body discussions that are going on on this website. I am a little appalled that we are turning this into a trend. That this is becoming weird.

[A]

Dude. Even you know, you know they pushing Tick Tock Shop so hard. Yeah, everybody that puts on an outfit, all the influencers that put on an outfit from Tick Tock Shop, I got this in a size extra small. Small. I'm a size extra small. A size small. We, we weren't doing that before. That's.

[B]

New. That's new. We ain't got to bring that back.

[A]

Baby. We don't have to bring that back. I don't want.

[B]

It. And then I hate the part where it's like, well, because I've seen this when again when certain folks start acting up and people are like, hey, this is actually like Ed talk. This is actually really unhealthy. Like hey, this is not okay for them to be posting about. I know you think this is a cute trend, but this is unhealthy. Well, so you can be body positive if you're plus size but you can't be body positive if you're skinn. It wasn't created for.

[A]

That. You guys don't.

[B]

Please. So why, why do you have to be so silly? Don't be.

[A]

Obtuse. You're being purposely.

[B]

Obtuse. That's you're being purposely obtuse. And you know that's not what it was.

[A]

Created. Now Jewel, I'll raise you this. I want to say people are being purposely obtuse.

[B]

But. But they might also just be a little.

[A]

Dumb. It dawned on me that people might not be pretending and purposely missing the point and that they actually are stupid. And it's when I came to that realization, I literally jumped. I was.

[B]

Startled.

[A]

Yes. I just knew everybody was trying to antagonize each other. But no, some people are.

[B]

Stupid. Many people genuinely feel like we must stand up for the tiny. And I'm just like as.

[A]

Hello. I mean and you know, I feel like there is a place to have the conversation. It just isn't in tandem with, you know, bigger bodied people. It's not the same.

[B]

Conversation. It also means having a level of self awareness. My frustrations around shopping or whatever they may be I don't need to have them in the body positivity ready. Do you know what I mean? Like, I know that that's not my. That's not my forum for that. I'm not gonna go over there and in people's space and have that conversation. Like that feels.

[A]

Disrespectful. I agree. But Kimora Lee Simmons and Baby fat and all of the kind of blacker brands, I will say I feel like they did cater to black bodies a little bit more than some of the other ones. So like, I'm thinking about baby fat. To me, it's contemporary. Feels like Juicy couture. And I don't know if it's just me, but it feels like Baby fat was black people's Juicy couture. Not that we also didn't juicy because.

[B]

We. I was upset because I had the bracelets. I had.

[A]

To. Oh my God. I was just thinking about that charm bracelet. I hope it's coming back because I loved that charm.

[B]

Bracelet. First and foremost. If I start dating a boy, I'm starting to send the.

[A]

Links. Where's my wrist? Get me ice. My.

[B]

Wrist. I want the charm.

[A]

Bracelet. I want the charm.

[B]

Bracelet. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And it had that class. It really was. It was so thick and it made noise and it had that clasp where you like put the.

[B]

Bar. Yeah, I like. I love it. Actually, you know what? They could bring that back. I can't hold you because I.

[A]

Feel like my 18 year old cousin. If it's.

[B]

Back. Yeah. Or what did she.

[A]

Say? She said no. I said.

[B]

Oh. Cuz I feel like we're in the era of like the dainty bracelets, which don't get me wrong, I love a dainty jewelry, but I feel like we're. Because we're in that era. The next era has to be a little more maximalist. So we gonna get there. We gonna get.

[A]

There. Definitely gonna get there. We're moving into a maximalist era. I'm happy for Baby to usher us back. I'm happy for Juicy Couture to usher us back. I need a matching.

[B]

Tracksu. Baby Fat was.

[A]

Maximalist. It was very.

[B]

Maximalist. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. An animal print moment. Like it was.

[B]

Giving. There was a. I got. I might not. Might have deleted the article, but there was. I was reading a review of Fabulosity earlier today and she was like, how to stand out? And she was like, no beige, no tans. It was like bags. No beige, no tans, orange. Like it was like period green. It was like, I don't remember the color, she said, but the colors were very, like, bold matte, like. Like, we're not. We're out of the tan era. Babes. Like. Yeah. So I was like, okay, Kimura, that's funny.

[A]

Yeah. No, I do think that we should be out of it. I think that we should stop trying to cosplay quiet luxury or whatever. The. If you're simply not, or old money or whatever. Jackie I know, just posted a video where she said, I am not trying to look like my oppressors. I said, period. And that's. And that's actually what I'm.

[B]

Talking. If that's your taste and that's what you like, cool, go for.

[A]

It. No.

[B]

Absolutely. Right. Totally fine. But I do think I'm happy for that because baby fat was very maximalist. But it was fun. Did you ever wear the. The belt buckle with your name on.

[A]

It? Yes. With the. With the marquee, like, it was.

[B]

Flashing. It was electric, different. I had one that was rhinestones. I had one that was a marquee.

[A]

Flashing.

[B]

Yeah. I had, mind you, this very Atlanta. A town cap with my name embroidered into the.

[A]

Back. Did you.

[B]

Really? Multiple.

[A]

Colors. I can't even imagine you wearing a cap. Like, you don't give cap girl at.

[B]

All. A town fitted. And if the hat's brand brown and the A is in a dark brown, my name is in a dark brown to match it on the.

[A]

Back. Okay.

[B]

Well. Okay. This is giving. This is. I don't care. You don't have to understand it. This.

[A]

Is. This.

[B]

Is. This is. It's giving. The Sierra Goodies era. It's giving. That's what it. That's what it's giving. And let's all remember I grew up right down. I could walk to the gas station where Goodies was filmed. Like, this was my.

[A]

Like, you know. Okay, I'm gonna get us back on topic in a second, but I was listening to O the other.

[B]

Day. Oh, when she got on that.

[A]

Car. Hello. Hello. The music video is the best. 2. The beat is underrated. It's honestly very timeless. You listen to that today. It could have come out.

[B]

Today. I have been interviewing a lot of the new singers of today, and you would be surprised how many, when you ask them what their inspiration is.

[A]

It'S here that makes so much sense to me. She doesn't get her flowers.

[B]

Enough. She really don't get her flowers enough. We're just now in the era where she's starting to get her flowers. And it's like, been 25 years. It's been 20 years, you know, I mean, it's been enough time that, like, we can look back on it and be like, oh, you did that. Like, it's been 20 years. You know what I mean? But, yeah, you would be surprised how many of the new girls, when you ask them, who did you look up.

[A]

To? Sierra Victoria Monet is very Sierra coded, for sure. I mean, all my mom, she's from Atlanta, isn't.

[B]

She? She was born here. She was not raised.

[A]

Here. Got it. She was in, like, the south or.

[B]

Something. Yeah, like California area, but she was born in Atlanta and she hired Sean Bankhead pretty early on and Sean Bankhead is from.

[A]

Atlanta. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And so when you look at a lot of his stuff, it just feels like you watch on my Mama and it feels like Sierra. It feels like the skating rink in the South. It feels like a lot of that stuff. So you can understand, like, if you think about him, you get why her stuff feels.

[A]

Like. And what better to wear to the skating rig than a little baby fat. Put on your puffer jacket with the hood with the fur around the trim. Put on your. Your track pants that are velvet with the baby fat logo on the back in.

[B]

Rhinestone. On the.

[A]

Booty. On the booty in rhinestone. I need that today, wherever I can find that. I was gonna get a juicy couture tracksuit, but now I'm like, why, when I can get a baby fat tracksuit? Actually, black owned support. Black owned.

[B]

Brands. That is fun. I'm serious. Like, even when they did a photo, they were doing a photo shoot on Back in the Fab Lane for baby fat. And it was just so, like, I immediately feel like I was transported back to, like, early. It was like Aoki and she was like, hanging off a car. She had, like, the big bamboos. Like, it was just like a big hair. I was just like, oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Speaking of Aoki, her and Ming's beef about somebody being.

[B]

Smarter. Okay, have you seen. Okay, where have you seen it.

[A]

At? Because you didn't watch the.

[B]

Show. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm just like, okay. I also wonder, though, two things. I wonder. One, Ming is very Kimura coded. She seems. She seems like she, like, one of the. One of Kahmura's friends in the show said something about, like, Aoki feels left out because it's you and Ming. And then it feels like it's her because they are so similar. Right. She's the oldest. Like, they the first.

[A]

Baby.

[B]

Yeah. And I can see that because Ming, which is why it's so funny to me, when Ming is like, when Kimura is lecturing Ming about stuff, I'm like, you either lying to her or you lying to us, because I know you used to be in the streets.

[A]

Doing the same thing like her. Like, just like.

[B]

Her. Yeah. You lecturing a girl. And I know where it's coming from. That's coming from. You've been there, done.

[A]

That. It.

[B]

Is. But yeah. So I think it. It probably fuels some, like, sibling rivalry, but I also just be wondering, like, what don't. Like, like, there's got to be something we don't know that is, like, underneath.

[A]

That. Yeah, yeah. It is giving. I mean, I didn't, you know, I haven't consumed the entire thing, but it definitely gives a sibling rivalry feel like Ming is like the high fashion girly who is taking after Kimora. And so in my perspective, it seems like Aoki needed to forge her own lane because she didn't naturally go the route of Kimora. Right. And so she went to Harvard and, you know, got a degree and really drilled into the academics. And then that, in turn, made Ming feel a little bit of a way, feel a little inadequate. It's like they're just, like, touching each other's inadequacy, pushing each other's butt.

[B]

Constantly. There was this scene, and I was like, oof. And I'm like, there's something we not talking about there that's, like, underlying here. I don't want to get into it because that's y' all family business, but it don't sound great. But there was a moment where Aoki comes back, and she comes back just in time for their photo shoot, of course. And, like, she walks in and she's like, where's Ming? She's supposed to be the first time she's seeing me. And Ming is like, oh, you look so helpful, healthy. Like, you look so.

[A]

Healthy. I saw this coming back from.

[B]

Bali. Now, me personally, and this is me from my body and my experience. I know I. I didn't. It never occurred to me that you look so healthy in that tone and in that way would have been her trying to call that girl. I heard Aoki.

[A]

Immediately. I heard.

[B]

It. Are you trying to say to me, like, Aoki immediately switched to flip the switch and was like, I saw in the. And Aoki's like, in this house. You know what that word means? And when she said, in this house, I'm like, oh, damn. What kind of. You know what I'm trying to say, like, what is going on in this house? That, like, how are y' all speaking to each other in this house? How did y' all grow up being spoken to like, your mom is.

[A]

A supermodel from the age of 13. That's what's happening in this.

[B]

House. All of this stuff. Like. But. But. But I say that because it was like, a few scenes earlier, like, Ming had said something about drinking tequila because it's, like, skinnier, no sugar. And Kahmora was like, well, it's not just about how you look. It's about how you.

[A]

Feel. And I'm like, baby boy. No, you did. You.

[B]

Did. Like, I feel like Kimora looked at the camera before she said that. Well, it's not just about how you look. It's about how you feel. You know What I.

[A]

Mean? 1,000%. She could hear what was.

[B]

Happening. She said, that lady is. She's been. Don't implicate me in the limelight since she was.

[A]

13. She.

[B]

Has. She is media trained. She knows y' all ain't gonna come at me for that, so I'm gonna get ahead of it. But she wasn't in the room with that healthy comment. It was just one of those things where it made me go.

[A]

Huh? Very much. Things that make you.

[B]

Go. Because where did y' all get up? Where that would even be? You know what I'm trying to.

[A]

Say?

[B]

Yes. Yeah. That was the one part in the show where I went, oh.

[A]

Okay. There's been some trauma here. There's some things here. Yeah, that body image stuff. Totally get it. Again, children of the early 2000s, your mom was a supermodel. Very tall, very thin, you know, stunning in the face. It's a difficult legacy to live up. I can't imagine in general. And her. Her entire brand rests so much on her physical appearance. Her ability to sell baby fat and turn it into a. At some point, it was valued at a billion.

[B]

Dollars. That's.

[A]

Crazy. In the early 2000s, you know how much money that would be today? Like, that would be so much money. But, yeah, it. It requires so much for physical appearance in order to sell that and turn it into the brand that it was. I can't imagine she had a healthy relationship with her body. I can't imagine her kids have a healthy relationship with their bodies in.

[B]

Turn, or at least they gotta undo a lot of it. Like, now they have to work to, like, actively undo a lot of that.

[A]

Stuff. For.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Yeah. I'll be working on it in therapy, too. I.

[B]

Understand. Hey.

[A]

Man.

[B]

Okay. I love to see it now.

[A]

Jewel, you can only Keep one of these things. Okay. A baby fat flip phone.

[B]

Case.

[A]

Okay. You remember.

[B]

Those? Yes, of.

[A]

Course. Okay. And it had, like, the cat on the front. Okay. And rhinestone cat on the front. Exactly. Baby fat faux fur winter.

[B]

Jacket.

[A]

Okay. Baby fat tracksuit. Baby fat jeans with the logo on the boutique. You can only keep one.

[B]

One. I' ma let go of the tracksuit because I could get a juicy Couture.

[A]

Tracksuit. Okay. That's very.

[B]

Fair. I'm gonna liquid a flip phone because I'm not young drawing. There's no reason for me to have a flip phone in.

[A]

2025. Now I. I downvote that, but.

[B]

I love that for young dro. Good for him. I do need to have a flip.

[A]

Phone.

[B]

Yeah. You ain't never gonna hear me talk about that ever. But I'm gonna let that one.

[A]

Go.

[B]

Okay. I think I would take. What was the pants that was in the tracksuit. Maybe I would take the jeans. Okay. Because I like the. I like the coat, but I feel like the code is very, like, specific. Trying to reach for.

[A]

Your. It is very.

[B]

Specific. Please. We're pushing.

[A]

It. Okay, now, what if it was a monogram? Baby fat matching set, not a.

[B]

Tracksuit.

[A]

Cute. But like every day, even if it's monogram, if it has the baby fat cat logo literally everywhere as the.

[B]

Pattern. Oh, everywhere. I can't take. I never liked. I would wear it because again, I wore. My auntie bought me. But I like stuff that was more like, logo is not.

[A]

Everywhere.

[B]

Yeah. Like you can have a cat and see. I don't want to see the cat. Cat.

[A]

Cat. You don't want it to be monogram, like, everywhere. Logo.

[B]

Mania. No, I don't like that. Yeah. I always liked a little less. So I like, I said I would wear it if I had it, but it wouldn't be the thing I would reach for. The thing I would reach for would be like, maybe there's a baby fat logo on the side or on the. But. But that's like it.

[A]

Yeah. Something cute and subtle. I think I'm going for the jeans, too. Jeans. Jeans are just so timeless. And there's something so, ooh, chic and it girl about having that cat on the butt. Don't let it be embroidered. I can take embroidery or the sparkle.

[B]

Version. I know that's.

[A]

Right. I really think I need that in my Life. I fear 2026, you know? And like, if you go look at Kimora Lee's recent video, she showcased all the jeans, and they look really good. Very updated, very Modern. She has a baggy fit one. I'm a.

[B]

Baggie. You love a baggy.

[A]

Now. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, I would love a baggy fit. She had on the baggy few ones, but they're a little tight on her. She said she doesn't like him as bad as baggy as the other girl. She doesn't believe in that said. Okay, supermodel Kamora, here we are. We know. We know. How old is this lady.

[B]

Kimura? She turned 50 in the show, so she had to be, like.

[A]

51. Oh, she's 50? Yeah, she's 50. She's turning 51 this year in May 4th. She's a.

[B]

Tourist. She's a Taurus. She's. Yep.

[A]

Yep. Which is aesthetics and beauty. That totally makes sense, because I.

[B]

Said, what do you mean? Anyway, I'm sorry. I forgot we are in a new year. But yeah, she turned 50, and they had, like, a little birthday party for her. Whatever. They got our Birkin. But Yeah, I'm like, 50 is.

[A]

Crazy. Oh, I wonder if that's her first Birkin or if she has others. I'm sure she has others. Why would I even ask.

[B]

That? There's many montages of Kimora's like them panning around her closet to show all her.

[A]

Bags. Oh, my God. Yeah. An.

[B]

Icon.

[A]

Yeah. Something else. She's a little ghetto, and I like it. Yes, she's a little ghetto. I was watching a clip from the original Life in the Fab Lane, where Aoki's crying. They're like, sitting at a dinner.

[B]

Table. Not drop that.

[A]

Plate. Screamed. I screamed. She said, don't nobody get. Don't nobody care about your little tears. I said, oh, my.

[B]

God. I think that to me, a black mom. Yes. But it's so funny because she, from my understanding, grew up with her mother, who is Asian, and not with her.

[A]

Dad. Interesting. She said she never knew she was a black.

[B]

Mom. She said she never really knew her dad. She's so. I'm like, you did? She didn't even really grow up with him. But some of the stuff she does is very single mama coded. Even when she was, like, married, like, she gave single mom a little bit. And I think there is an overlap in strictness between black single mamas and Asian mamas, too. Now you to where I'm like, oh, it's just a circle. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, yeah, sure. You didn't grow up with your, like, black dad. And I don't know if she grew up around her Black relatives. I'm not trying to say she didn't, but I'm like, oh, yeah. But some of this is overlap. Some of this is a.

[A]

Lot. The verbiage might shift a little bit, but yeah, the strictness, the levels of strength very much feel like, yeah. Venn diagram a.

[B]

Solid. His mama very strict to the point where my aunts had to say, calm.

[A]

Down. Did I ever tell you one of my best friends in childhood was like, hey, if you ever need to come live with, like, that's okay. I said, what do you mean? They're like, yeah, your mom is.

[B]

Just like, my mama was so strict to where it was like, girl, like, nobody raised you like that. Why are you doing this? Calm.

[A]

Down. My mom was weak. It was a.

[B]

Lot. And it's really funny, because when I got to, like, my mama was like, you got an A minus. You finna get put out the house? Because I.

[A]

Know. Oh, you had them. Oh.

[B]

Yeah. Because I know that you could get an A plus. And so that means you're not applying yourself. And I will not have somebody who's not applying themselves in my.

[A]

House.

[B]

Whoa. And so she called my aunt, and my aunt said, she's not coming.

[A]

Over here, so stop playing with for an A.

[B]

Minus. Like, mind you, Chad at her house, didn't go to class, so you don't even call.

[A]

Me. Stop playing. I actually don't have.

[B]

Time. Don't call me with these issues. I don't care, and I don't.

[A]

Want to piss me.

[B]

Off. I get to college, and I'm like, oh, my God. I gotta be like, I'm damn near fetal position. Like, I can't breathe. Anxiety attack. And my mom was like, that's a good job. Like, what are you.

[A]

Doing? What a switch.

[B]

Up. And I remember being like, I don't like this. Because for you to have given me this anxiety and then to sit here and act like I'm the problem and to be like, you need to calm down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I. Listen, listen. If you grew up with a single mom, and especially if you grew up with a strict single mama, I feel you. I feel.

[A]

You. I. I remember my dad telling my mom, stop threatening to put my child out of the house. I don't like that. Stop threatening to put my child out of the house. So are you guys okay? Like, why would you be threatening me to put me out the house.

[B]

If I told y' all some of the stuff my mama did, that y' all would be like 91 1? It was a different time. It was the 90s, promise you. But sometimes I be listening, and I'm like. And you felt.

[A]

Okay. Like, you felt okay after I read my childhood journal. And it was a jump scare. It was a jump.

[B]

Scare. Yeah, because you weren't taking your medicine. It's nasty. I didn't want. Like, that's a very child thing to.

[A]

Do. Flintstone vitamins are really nasty. Like, they were really nasty. I remember.

[B]

Those. God forbid. Well, two things. One, I'm like, yeah, baby, you better thank your lucky stars you had me in the 90s and then not in the.

[A]

20S. Then people would be coming to.

[B]

Pick me up because they would have been knocking down, knocking on your door. That's the first thing. Second thing is children are trying. And I think the older I get, the more I'm like, ooh, they are trying. You were on your last scene in season, girly, and you were trying to figure it out. You were divorced. You was holding down the house. Can you imagine? And I'm coming in here crying about.

[A]

That. Like, I was literally talking to somebody earlier. I was like, imagine. You are a single mom. You've been at work all day. You all. Your child. Your child is at home for the summer. So they're chilling at the house. The only thing you asked is that they took that chicken.

[B]

Out. And the chicken is.

[A]

Not. The only thing you asked is that they took the.

[B]

Chicken. Like, I. I come home and the chicken is frozen, Working my little butt off. So you can go to school, maybe do a little cheerleading on the side, maybe play a little violin on the side. Maybe do. I mean, the bare minimum, you know what I mean?

[A]

Much. You know what I.

[B]

Mean? And the ground beef is still rock.

[A]

Hard. Meanwhile, I'm trying to cook it for. I just worked, and now I'm trying to come home and cook for.

[B]

You. I could just go to churches. Like, I could just hit up Popeyes real quick. You know what I'm trying to say? If it was just me, but here I am trying to create a healthy environment for you. Make sure you get veggies. Make sure you get a robust meal. And it's frozen.

[A]

Solid. I do have to. I do have to lose it. I.

[B]

Do. A little bit of you was pushing it, sister. Yeah, a little bit of, oh, that was. And again, our mom. Well, I can't speak for your mom. My mama had me at.

[A]

27. Okay? My mom's 30. A couple weeks for.

[B]

31St. That's fair. I still feel like I'm not old enough to.

[A]

Have.

[B]

Hello. I promise you.

[A]

2027. It's a.

[B]

Baby. Do you know what kind of foolish decisions I was making at.

[A]

27? A baby. And now you got a whole human life that you're responsible for. How old was. How old was tomorrow when she had her first.

[B]

Child? That's a good question, because I feel like she was young, but maybe I'm thinking of.

[A]

It. I think she.

[B]

Was. I remember Kimura being. And wasn't she significantly younger than Russell, or am I making that up? There was an age gap.

[A]

There. She was 14 when she had.

[B]

Ming. No, that can't be right. No, that can't be.

[A]

Right.

[B]

What? It can't.

[A]

Be. Okay, this is the AI Overview. So again, yeah, grain of salt. But it says. I'm gonna read it verbatim. I'm reading verbatim. It says Kimora Lee Simmons was 14 years old when she had her first child, a daughter named Ming Lee Simmons, born January 2000. Though Simmons was d. Russell Simmons, who is significantly older. And they married later with reports indicating she was around 14 when Ming was conceived or.

[B]

Born. What's the true.

[A]

Story? Because how. Because she just turned.

[B]

50. Oh.

[A]

God. That means. Okay. In 2025. So she was born in 85. No. Oh, my God. I can't do math at all.

[B]

No. If Ming was born in 2000, when was Ming.

[A]

Born?

[B]

2000. So she was 25. If she's 50.

[A]

Now. Oh, how will this mangle.

[B]

You? So if Adam had six apples.

[A]

Please. I swear this is why my mom was getting frustrated with.

[B]

Me. Knock off the table. Because, mind you, if Rain and my mama came in here and said Jewel solved the math problem, like, they would literally be like, oh, babes, everybody's in.

[A]

Distress. It's really.

[B]

Bad. Yeah. Figured it out. Everybody is.

[A]

Probably. Can you imagine? This is so sick. The AI Overview. Y' all have to stop depending on that. You have to stop depending on.

[B]

It. Now, I do know that there was an age gap because I do remember, and I do remember. If I'm not. If I'm not mistaken, I do feel like he met her at an age to where, you know, I'm trying to say if I remember now, I ain't read Fabulosity in a long.

[A]

Time. There's an 18 year age gap between.

[B]

Them. Yes. And I feel like it was one of those. We met when I was 14, my late teens, 100. We met, but we didn't start dating, allegedly. I feel like it was one of those things, if I am not.

[A]

Mistaken.

[B]

Right. I remember even as a kid being like. Because again, As a kid, I'm not that far off from 14. I probably was 12, 13 when I read that book. And I remember being like, now if he approached me, I'm calling my mama. Like, the stuff that was acceptable.

[A]

Because, you know, that was unacceptable in the first place. But, you know, in 2025, they would never write that in a book. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't going to make it into the book. This reminds me of Celine Dion and her man. Did you.

[B]

Know. Do you know an age gap.

[A]

Thing? Yeah. Big age gap. And she was really young when they.

[B]

Was. Not great. It's not.

[A]

Great. It's.

[B]

Not. That was one of the ones where I went, oh.

[A]

Yeah. Clutch. Very clutch.

[B]

Pearls. Yeah. And again, I don't. He wasn't her manager at the.

[A]

Time. She made him.

[B]

Her. She made.

[A]

Him. Let me not get your line. I would think that he might have been her.

[B]

Manager. It was one of those things where I said age gap, position of power. And she was again, very similar to Kimura. Child prodigy, became famous, got a record deal, kind of JoJo age. You know what I'm saying? Like as an early teen kind of.

[A]

Thing. Well put. A.

[B]

Girl. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I think that's the.

[A]

That. Yeah, that's a little iffy. That's a little iffy. I don't have too much else on Ms. Kimora Lee and Baby Fat and Fat Farm, etc. You have anything else you want to touch.

[B]

On? Anything interesting from the show, bringing that time back? I just think it was so fun. It was light, it was imaginative and creative, you.

[A]

Know? Yeah. Colorful.

[B]

Colorful. Vibrant. Yeah. Vibrant. All the.

[A]

Things. Yeah. Sexy, young.

[B]

Hot. And again, similar to Google. AI. Should you look to reality TV to be the factual story of a person? No, this they is their depiction of the story. They're going to leave things.

[A]

Out. Was it also you executive producing the.

[D]

Show?

[B]

Yeah. But was it a good time? Yeah, I had.

[A]

Fun. I. I agree. The last thing I want to say, I do think Kimora Lee Simmons is the blueprint for a lot of reality TV that we see today. She said this in an interview recently, but her show premiered. Where's the.

[B]

Date? Was it.

[A]

2006? Her show premiered. Life in the Fab Lane premiered August 5.

[B]

2007.

[A]

Okay. And Keeping up with Kardashians premiered October 14, 2007. Obviously, I'm sure Keeping up the.

[B]

Cartridge had to be was already in.

[A]

Production. In production when it came out, but you know what I mean, like, there's something about the trajectory of Kimora Lee Simmons career and the trajectory of Kim Kardashian's career. That feels very inspired by Kimora Lee Simmons, you know, like kind of the OG Influencer. The OG I'm going to monetize my entire life. You are going to watch me monetize every aspect of this life that I can. Relationship, personal life, professional. And I'm gonna be the it girl, and you are going to try to look like me and be like me. That's exactly what was happening in early 2000 before the Kardashians had it like.

[B]

That. It's funny. She was making it in one of the scenes from the new season. She was like making a. She was making some kind of coffee beverage, and she was like, I want to be an influencer. And Ming was like, you are. Like, you are the influencer. You are not a influencer. You are talking about the influence. And she was like, oh, yeah, that's true. But I meant like the ones on Tick Tock. You know what I mean? Whatever. But we were like, girl.

[A]

Them. So all you got to do.

[B]

Is start you right here. Like you're the be it girl. Like, stop it. Yeah, it was really funny because I'm like, yeah, girl, ain't no influencers if you didn't come. Not a single and. And do all of.

[A]

That. Right? Well, that's really it. Me and Jewel are about to record a segment called In My Defense for bonus content. So if you would like to hear our unpopular opinions, because that's what In My Defense is, then go ahead and become a Max Fund member. Donate to the show. You'll get access to that and that'll be lovely. But in the meantime, you can find us across all social media platforms at BPL pod. You can watch us on YouTube, of course, just search Black People love Paramore. You can comment on Spotify. Once Again, comment on YouTube. Talk to us. I really enjoy when y' all talk to us. And if you have anything that you would like to say that's a little bit more substantial, you can email at Black People love Paramore.