Wicked

Summary

Black People Love Paramore

Episode: Wicked
Date: February 20, 2025
Hosts: Sequoia Holmes & Ryann Graham

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Overview

In this lively and comedic episode of Black People Love Paramore, hosts Sequoia Holmes and Ryann Graham do a deep, critical, and irreverent dive into the world of Wicked – both the Broadway musical and its much-anticipated film adaptation, particularly in light of the recent Oscar nomination and pop culture ripple effects. The conversation spans from cultural moments surrounding the musical, casting choices and “cash drama,” personal connections to the show, sharp observations about Black representation, and the ever-presence of Internet-fueled drama. Along the way, they roast and reflect on the characters, performances, and personal Wicked-related beefs—with their signature wit.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Wicked? (00:53)

• Wicked's relevance resurfaces with Oscar buzz (Ariana Grande's nomination) and an adaptation starring Ariana and Cynthia Erivo.
• Sequoia and Ryann riff on their musical theater upbringings and share their varying levels of pre-existing affinity for Wicked.

2. Ariana Grande’s EGOT Potential & Broadway Chops (01:52; 11:43)

• In-depth debate about Ariana’s awards trajectory: “I think she’s definitely in her Broadway bag now…that Tony is probably closer. That Oscar, she—I don’t know.” (A, 02:15)
• Discussion of Ariana’s past TV roles (“Victorious”), doubts around her casting in Wicked, and how she won over director John Chu through multiple auditions (“…she kept being the most interesting person in the room.” – A, 12:09)
• Ryann and Sequoia agree Ariana embodies Glinda and successfully sheds her pop persona for the role.

3. The Origin and Layered History of Wicked (05:22–06:38)

• Ryann explains Wicked’s roots, tracing it from L. Frank Baum’s Wizard of Oz, through Gregory Maguire’s 1995 Wicked novel, to the 2003 Broadway hit. Fascinating tidbit: Wicked was a “post-movie prequel written decades after the original,” (B, 06:15) resulting in fresh, political and campy energy.

4. Wicked’s Political Currents and Timeliness (06:38–07:39)

• Ryann brings up political satire embedded in lyrics (e.g., George Bush jokes in “Popular”) and how the musical remains eerily timely: “Every time Wicked is coming around, something’s bad in the world…” (A, 07:11).
• Sequoia draws parallels to the “lipstick effect” (07:19) and contemporary anxieties.

5. Casting and Representation: On Ariana, Cynthia, and Diversity (09:00; 23:39; 54:09)

• Praise for Jonathan Chu as director, with a nuanced sidestep into Asian-American casting debates connected to “Crazy Rich Asians.”
• Both hosts laud Cynthia Erivo’s singular voice and acting prowess (“It just feels like it’s falling out of her mouth…Effortless” – B, 23:43).
• Discussion of the significance of having Cynthia and a Black Elphaba, noting the Black-coded undertones of the character and the rarity of Black actresses in the role: “There’s only been two Black Elphabas before Cynthia Erivo.” (B, 54:18)

6. Comparing Stage vs. Movie Wicked (16:00+)

• Ryann shares memories as a theater kid, first encountering Wicked in London; contrasts the depth of stage characterizations vs. the film.
• Sequoia describes experiencing the musical with “fresh eyes” through the film and the LA Pantages staging, noting different emotional takeaways from Glinda’s character between the versions.

7. Glinda and Elphaba: Character Dissection (15:58–22:48)

• Detailed debate about whether Glinda is “shallow, dumb, or calculated,” with Ryann defending her complexity: “She’s too calculated to be dumb.” (B, 18:20)
• Sequoia is more critical, finding Glinda “super one-dimensional” and emblematic of white privilege.
• Discussion segues into contemporary social/political parallels (i.e. privilege, allyship), with pointed takeaways: “Again, nothing changes unless the dominant people…change it.” (A, 57:12)

8. Musical and Performance Highlights (41:19–41:56)

• Both hosts praise standout musical numbers: Ryann for “The Wizard and I,” and Sequoia for “Defying Gravity.”
• On “Defying Gravity”: “Winning despite limitations…it’s like, I wasn’t supposed to be here, but here I am…and I did that.” (A, 42:18)
• The impact of performance on viewers, especially Black women, is noted: “I’ve seen lots of particularly Black women feeling like they catch the holy Spirit during that.” (B, 41:43)

9. Notable Cast Drama and Internet Speculation (36:15–48:37)

• Sequoia and Ryann fully recap the “Ethan Slater–Ariana Grande–divorce–baby–backstage” tabloid drama, with hilarious and incredulous reactions:
  • “Let me tell you something. I would wipe the floor with…both of you.” (A, 43:22)
• Musings on “proximity attraction” and why “pretty girls date odd-looking men.”
• Internet drama around supposed relationships between Ariana, Cynthia Erivo, and Lena Waithe, with both hosts poking fun at wild fan theories: “Are you guys okay?” (A, 47:49)

10. The Connection Between Wicked and Blackness (54:09–56:55)

• Exploration of the play’s racial undertones, analogies of “otherness,” and why viewers (especially Black women) experience the story as both powerful and triggering.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Ariana Grande’s transformation:
  “She does an amazing job of stripping away Ariana Grande—like, I’m like, oh, such a good job.” (B, 12:47)

• On the power of manifestation:
  “…that was like one of the tenets of manifesting…every day she’s having this little tiny reminder, physical reminder, Glinda, Glinda…” (A, 62:00)

• On Glinda’s privilege:
  “That feels so personal…just very white privilege coded…I’m like, I know I could care but it’s safer for me not to.” (A, 56:49/57:00)

• On Nessa Rose:
  “Nessa Rose, though, you’re not wrong. She was stank from like damn near scene one…she never stood up for her sister, not once…” (A, 27:51–28:29)

• On favorite song and feeling triumphant:
  “Defying Gravity would be my favorite…Like, I feel the swell in my body for that one.” (A, 41:43, 41:48)

• On representation and being “seen”:
  “Elphaba is so Black coded, like, everything about it is Black.” (B, 54:20)

• On Internet drama:
  “To assume Ariana Grande is throwing shots at Lena Waithe feels so crazy…are you guys okay?” (A, 47:32, 47:49)

• On Wicked’s enduring relevance:
  “Every time Wicked is coming around, something’s bad in the world…” (A, 07:11)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:52–02:22: Oscar and Tony award buzz for Ariana Grande
• 05:22–06:27: The complicated origins of Wicked (book, movie, musical)
• 06:38–07:39: Political humor and Wicked’s ongoing relevance
• 11:43–12:13: Ariana Grande winning the director over
• 15:58–22:48: Glinda character analysis and her relationship to whiteness and privilege
• 23:39–24:39: Cynthia Erivo’s “effortless” vocals
• 41:19–42:34: Favorite songs and why they resonate emotionally
• 43:01–44:05: The Ethan Slater/Ariana Grande baby drama
• 46:09–47:49: Internet speculation about cast relationships
• 54:09–56:55: Race, otherness, and how Wicked speaks to the Black experience
• 62:00–63:28: Ariana Grande’s lifelong manifestation of the Glinda role

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Flow & Tone

The episode flows as a blend of sharp dissection, personal anecdotes, uproarious laughter, and blunt critique, maintaining the distinctively candid, lovingly roasting, and insightful style of BPLP. The hosts tell stories, address Internet rumors, and get reflective about Blackness and the arts—all with a mischievous sense of fun.

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Final Thoughts

The hosts close by remarking on the continuing resonance of Wicked around issues of representation and survival, with a special nod to Ariana’s journey (“power of manifestation!”) and a nudge for listeners to check out Ryann and Sequoia’s other projects. The episode is an engaging, hilarious, and heartfelt conversation that connects Broadway, Blackness, and messy pop culture with warmth and wit.

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For anyone who hasn’t seen the stage play, movie, or even listened to Wicked, this episode covers everything from the plot’s origins and controversies to its deepest social themes—plus, you’ll be ready for all the Internet drama too!

Transcript

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Foreign. Welcome to Black People of Paramore, a podcast not about the man Paramore, but about the common and uncommon interests of black people and in order to help the community feel a little bit more seen. I am your host, Sequoia.

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And I'm Ryan. We're back.

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We're. Today we're talking about Wicked. But before we do that, if you could like comment, subscribe when you're watching this on YouTube and if you're watching this anywhere else or listening anywhere else, please leave us a review. Yeah, would really appreciate that. That'd be wonderful.

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I never know what you want me to do during these. You just listen. Okay, great. I'm just smiling and nodding. Yeah, okay, great.

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In the background. Ad libs, if you will.

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Oh, okay. Oh, you know I can't roll my R's. That's gonna peak.

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I'm sorry. But yeah, yeah, we're peeking. The audio. Sorry, Jimmy. Wicked.

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Wicked. Unlimited.

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Together we're unlimited. I'm sharp. Yeah. Unlimited.

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O. I didn't drink any tea before this, so it's fine.

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I. I didn't have to, but I do understand. Oh, oh, we. Oh, okay. Did you see our girl, Sabrina G. Sabrina Brier. Briar.

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Yeah, of course. I thought you meant carpenter, but Briar.

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Sabrina Briar, yeah. She got merch that says oh with an exclamation point. Funny.

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No, but I do love her.

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It's really good merch.

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That is good merch.

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It is good merch. Shout out Sabrinas.

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Wicked. But back to Wicked.

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We're back to Wicked.

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I know. Because Oscar season is coming up.

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Oscar season's coming up. Wicked is nominated. Ariana Grande.

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Yes, God damn it.

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Is nominated. She's gonna eat. God, not for this, but you know.

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She'S on her way over the course of her career. Absolutely.

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Yes. Does she?

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She doesn't have any. She hasn't Grammy. She only has Grammy.

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She doesn't have no Tony.

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No, she. She hasn't been back on Broadway since.

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She was a teenager and she didn't.

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Get done for that. No, no. But I agree. I think she's definitely in her Broadway bag now.

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Yes.

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So I think that that Tony is probably closer that Oscar. She. I don't know if she.

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She don't have a children's Emmy for Victorious.

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I don't think that. I doubt it. No. I mean, an Emmy is an Emmy is an Emmy. So like. Yes, But I don't believe that any of those shows would have been nominated for, I swear to God. Children's Emmy. You're saying that Very confidently. And I don't think that there's a such thing as a children's. You mean a Nickelodeon's choice?

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No, I mean a child. A children's enemy. Yes. Victorious was nominated for four Emmy Awards. Wow. She was one its favorite TV show. That was a kid's choice. It didn't. No, I didn't win an Emmy. But it was nominated for four Emmys.

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I. Wow. I am mind blown. But for this. For what?

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For songs. Don't be rude. You didn't like.

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So again, like, you know how you were not a Disney kid? Yes, I. I was a. So you were a Disney.

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I was a Disney Channel kid, but I was not a Disney kid.

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And so yes, I was a Disney Channel kid.

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Yes.

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The only things on Nickelodeon I watched were cartoons. I did not like Nickelodeon's Live.

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So you didn't watch. Okay. Because Victorious was Nickelodeon's response to Hannah Montana. Right.

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And you know, I have trauma with Hannah Montana.

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You have trump personal trauma that we don't have to get into.

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We can't. I auditioned and they. And I even met with producers and did not make it.

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They didn't quite make it.

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And so I never watched it. I. To this day I've never even seen the movie.

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You know what? I have a hot take. Hannah Montana was really not that damn good.

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I believe that.

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Like I think a lot of people show really give Hannah Montana a lot.

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Really A lot.

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Like they regard it as like the best show Disney Channel has ever put out. Silly, unironically, not even joking. Like they're dead serious. Hannah Montana was too. For me personally, I liked. I did watch it, sure. But it was not like a stronghold to me. If I never saw it again, I would. I wouldn't have been pressed about it. It was too. Here's the moral at the end of the story for my personal taste. Really.

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And that seems weird because I don't feel like the other shows felt that they didn't.

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The Hannah Montana was super morally for weird. Like it was always like Hannah has learned her lesson the hard way. Miley has learned her lesson.

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I was going to say maybe they were trying to keep my. She said she couldn't contain.

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Maybe the straight and narrow.

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They were like, this is for you. We were talking directly.

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You need it. Okay.

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Miley Hope.

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Destiny. Hope. Destiny. Hope. Oh my God, I forgot that it's her name. Wow. She.

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But okay. But yes. Did not know that dad was a nominated for Emmy. So maybe I don't believe she has an Emmy.

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I don't think I don't think she has an Emmy. I think we would know that she would be closer to egot everybody be more freaking out about this. Yeah. She would only need the tea, which feels very doable.

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I think all of it. Of all the people like of that generation.

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I agree.

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I think she distinctly feels like the one that like is the most easily like. Sure. I think the others I'm like, like, like. And even like. And this is not to do with talent or not even like a Zendaya, for instance. I think me seeing her, I'm not saying impossible.

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Yeah. I would be more surprised.

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Right. I'll be like, oh yeah. There are things I think you could.

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Do to do that.

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But Ariana feels like you absolutely will.

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Zendaya love Zendaya. The singing voice isn't sure for a Tony. You know what I mean? To like, to like she could give.

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It a Tony for a non musical.

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Right.

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The Grammy will be the thing. I think I'm like, where's. Right. I can. I'm like, yeah, I can see her. But not that she couldn't. No. Yeah. More effort.

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No.

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Where Ariana Grande I think will effortlessly get an ego for sure.

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100 degree. But okay. Just a little bit of backstory on Wicked, based on Stephen Schwartz and Winnie Holtzman. 2003 Broadway. Sorry, I would have to make sure I was pronounced Holtzman. Right. Yes. 2003 Broadway musical that is loosely based on the 1995 novel by Gregory Maguire, based on the children's book Vision of Oz about a misunderstood. Because of her green skinned young woman named Elphaba, she forges on an unlikely but profound friendship with Galinda, a student with unflinching desires for popularity.

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Right. So it is like a prequel to the wizard of Oz, the movie we know and love, which is based on a book. So these are both books. So this is a musical based on a book that it's written. It's so weird because this is a book that was written after the movie and the. The book a.

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A. A book that was written after the.

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Right. So Wicked.

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Yeah.

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Is based on a book that was written after really the wizard of Oz and the original wizard of Oz.

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Really? Yeah.

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So it's a prequel that was written in 93. Oh, I didn't know. It's like way later.

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Way later.

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So he like made this world to give backstory to the Lord.

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That's probably why it's so.

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Yeah, it's.

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And it feels very current. Yeah, it is very silly, very camp. Very current.

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And you know what's Funny. So like the music, it's obviously the music. The musical gets into a lot of like political things which are scarily similar now it does. But you know this movie, it came out like in the post George Bush era. So a lot of the jokes and things like that are written targeted to that president. So like, so in popular, you know when she goes, do you think they had brains and knowledge? Don't make me laugh. They were popular. It was a joke about George Bush not being smart and being popular. Yeah, yeah. That whole like that joke is really written about George Bush. But it's funny because is happening again.

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Oh my God. We should know every time Wicked is coming around. Oh no.

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Is that, is that a. Oh my God.

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It is. It's like the, the lipstick effect.

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What is that?

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Have you heard about that?

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No.

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Lipstick demand goes up every single time there is an economic downturn.

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Wait, is, are we, is lipstick going up right now? What? Why? What is that?

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I think people just like find more joy in like little things like oh, a nice shade of lipstick like. Yes.

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And people are buying lipstick right now. Oh girl. It's about to get bad.

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Yeah, we are we. Yes, it's about to get kind of bad.

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But we, you know what, we'll stop buying avocado toast. We'll start buying houses. That's what's gonna happen.

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We wrapped up the avocado.

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So yeah, we've been saving for that house for this economic downturn. So we can start buying house.

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Yes. Yeah.

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So perfect. We're ready this.

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100% ready.

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Of course this time Wicked.

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Wicked was started off like that. And then last year they made a part one film adaptation of it starring Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo.

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Yeah, long time in the making too. This movie.

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It was a really, it feels like five years or so more than like a really long time in the making.

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Look up the tweet. There was a tweet where they were saying Wicked, the movie is coming out and I should you not. 2016. They were saying it was going to come out in 2016. This was like before production had even started, right. No cast. But then obviously got pushed and they had been talking about it for a while and then it came out. But yeah, it was.

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Damn. I'm just looking at when it started filming cuz I, I couldn't find, I don't know about.

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It's fine. Like I, I, I could look this up but it's whatever. I should have looked this up before. But yeah, I know that they have been talking about making a Film adaptation of this musical since 2016. Yeah. Like for at least a decade.

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I did hear the like. I wonder if I had to do with the fact that the director changed.

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Sure.

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Cuz I. Cuz it was.

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Who was it?

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I don't remember who it was but.

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John Shoe came in later.

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Then it changed to John Great.

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He did. Honestly. Because everything he does is great. Crazy.

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Like crazy rich Asians. And I know that lots of folks don't.

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Don't like that movie.

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There's like feelings about.

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Is it from the Asian community?

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I've heard it from Asian folks. I've heard. Yeah. People are like okay, hey I. I've heard that. I've heard Asian folks say that they don't like that the male sex symbol or whatever had to be half white. Ah. In order that they hired like a half white actor in order to portray that. And that kind of. That's how I feel about a lot of it. And I'm like oh I get that.

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Cuz I get when I. When straight men play gay characters. Specifically when the gay character's focus is love. I hate it. I don't care if you are straight and play gay and that's just like a part of who you are. But if the main part of your character is love. Cuz then it just perpetuates the idea that like masculinity is the most important thing and the most. Those are the people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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So I get it.

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So I get it. And then there was the Aquafina of it all. Oh lol Herbing lol Silly Pein or whatever.

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What the was her name?

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That was. Her name was Peak Lynn Picklin or Pickling something. Is that his fault?

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Is that John Chu's fault?

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I don't know whose fault it is.

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But I know I imagine a studio somewhere was like this girl's house in here. Yeah.

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And let her say Block Bog.

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Did she say, you know what? I have not watched Crazy Rich Asians in a long time.

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I watch it almost every time I'm on a plane. I watch that and Creed. Those are like my go to movies if I'm not feeling in the mood for something new to try to broaden my horizons. I'm like turn on the Internet. Yes. I love the Intern.

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I've never seen it but it's probably.

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One of my favorite movies actually.

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Really?

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Yes. It that moves me. Me and Ryan were just having a conversation about things that move us. Movie and movies and music that move us sure to tears that one Moves me.

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I've never seen it. It's.

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Whoa. I love the intern. It is precious. Yes. Wow.

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Yes.

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Watch that movie. I think you would like it. It's like, it's. It's a good feel. Good like it's an E. It's good.

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It came out in the same era of like whenever. What Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds are in a movie together.

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The Proposal.

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It reminds me. It feels like. And not in a bad way.

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That was a really good time for movies.

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Cuz it was the mid budget comedy.

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It was a movie. We really do.

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Really do. I'm like, yes, you. Cuz wait. Now all of our big stars either do action movies or some Oscar baby movie. And I'm like, do something fun. Something.

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Thank you. One of them days. Thank you, Issa.

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Thank you. One of them days.

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One of the days is really funny.

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Fun.

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Yeah.

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But I guess speaking of Oscar bait.

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Right? Yeah. That's what we here talking about. We here talking. But yeah. Love the cast.

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Yeah.

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Did a really good job of deciding who was going to play every character. And he said he had his doubts about casting Ariana. Did you hear about this?

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Oh, no.

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Yes. He said that he like, he said he explicitly didn't want her. In fact, like she was auditioning for it. And he was like, like he heard that she was auditioning. He was like, I don't want this pop star. She's not really going to get it. Like. And she auditioned and she did a really good job. And he was like skeptical. He was like, that was weird that she did really good. He like made her audition like three times. Wow. And he said she kept being the most interesting person in the room.

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I agree.

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Like, she was Galinda.

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I believe that.

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And I'm like, that's crazy.

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Good for our girl. Truly. I know. You know, she's both like art. Like we truly. And I'm like, it is very cool to know that like she like A, worked that hard for it and B, also was like up against. Because you get it when you someone you don't like. It's like, it's like you have to do extra work.

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You have to like 10 times as good because you. He came in being like, not her.

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Yeah.

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So who else is in the room?

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And I get it because I'm like, I understand the idea of like that kind of would suck. And I think she also has to a be good but also not suck.

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The air out of the 100% beat. Ariana Grande.

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Correct. You cannot. And I do think she does an amazing job of like, stripping away Ariana Grande.

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Like, I'm like, oh, such a good job.

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I her. She's well deserved for this nomination.

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100%.

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Really does fall into the character in a way that insane. It's insane.

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And you know, she's like going by Ar Grande or her hyphenated last name her. In order to distance herself.

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I thought it was like, to honor her.

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Oh, I thought it was. Yeah, I'm sure. And yes, I'm sure it is a little bit of both. But, yeah, know, really proud of her.

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I agree. Like, the moment she walks, I. I think she's so funny in a lot of ways.

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Where I.

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So I know you watch Victorious. I saw clips and not once. I remember distinctly watching her act and being like, that's not good. And now seeing her in this, I'm like, oh, maybe you were directed to behave that way because you are fantastic.

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She was really good, I thought. I realized she was good and Victorious once she became Ariana Grande and I was like, oh, you are nothing like Cat Valentine. That's crazy.

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On the show. She also became that character. No, no, no.

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After, you know.

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Right.

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Once, like, she got famous and she was Ariana Grande and she was on Sam and Cat at the same time and she was still Cat Valentine, but she was also Ariana Grande.

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And I'm like, this is a different.

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Person that be acting.

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Yeah.

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Because, like, that's really crazy.

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I. I think I just hate that character.

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That is really annoying. Cat is a very annoying character. You know, I was just watching a Victorious deep dive and apparently kids felt way more connected to Cat.

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Sure.

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Than they did to Tori Vega, which is the main character. And that was apparently a lot of the.

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A lot of kids were left behind. Oh, sorry, you're saying that. No, I think it's just like kids like Ed and Eddie and spongebob too.

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Like, I'm really offended as a Cat Valentine fan. Oh, I'm really offended that you would try to compare me to the ED. ED and Eddie's and the SpongeBob.

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There are a lot of SpongeBob. I'm sure some of you are SpongeBob kids and that's.

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And love that for you.

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Love that for you.

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Genuinely do. And I watch SpongeBob. I can probably reference most episodes before 2005. I could probably. Oh, reference them for you. Yeah.

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If you talk to me about it, I get it. But was not.

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I was not Eddie's.

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Another level.

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Like, I didn't even like to watch that one. That one. I felt like I was losing Brain cells as it was come. As it was on my screen, I felt like I was.

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It was an assault.

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It was actually an assault. It wasn't.

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It was kind of crazy.

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That shouldn't have been on air. That's kind of like.

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I agree.

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It's like Coco Melon today. How they found out that that's bad for kids.

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Oh, yeah. Over stimulation.

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It's like brain Ed and Eddie is bad for kids.

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Wow.

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We shouldn't have watched. We shouldn't have been watching that.

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But, yes, Cat Valentine's different. She wasn't that bad. She wasn't that brain. Rowdy.

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Yeah. But, yeah, Ariana Grande. Cat Valentine felt very pre Galinda. Like, very kids. Galinda.

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You think? Like, the essence of. She's pulling from that character.

[A]

The essence of Cat Valentine is definitely in Galinda.

[B]

Interesting. Okay. I feel like Glinda is not dumb. I think Kat is dinghy in a way. Like, I think there's, like, a little vacancy behind Cat in a way that I think Galinda uses Vacancy to get her way.

[A]

That's as though she grew up. It's as though Cat grew up a little bit. Oh. And she's like. Oh, like something happened to her. And she's like, now she's a little jaded. Still dumb, though.

[B]

Weird, but a little weird. Different spaces.

[A]

Yeah. No, we're not. No.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

Linda, to be fair, you have a deeper relationship with Wicked than I do.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Yeah. Because you were, like, in on it. I went in blind. Like, I had. I didn't know about Wicked.

[B]

Oh, wait, so, like. Like the. So obviously, yes. It's a Broadway musical, and it was, like, I think of the first showings. Not before Broadway. Before Broadway was, like, 96. Like, they were doing, like, early runs of it. And I think 2003 is when it kind of, like, really hit Broadway and really blossomed. So, like, that was, like, my high school era when I was a theater kid in high school. So I am a theater kid. And so we were. Okay.

[A]

We figured.

[B]

We know. So. So I remember listening to it in high school. I saw it in London in high school. And I remember, like, we were singing the music. And so I. Yeah, I have a relationship with Wicked prior to our undergrad. Like the Adina Menzel, Kristen Chinowitz.

[A]

Did you ever. No, we never did it because I never did Wicked.

[B]

No, we. I don't know that we could have. It was still too new to have, like, a school do it. I'm sure schools do it now, but no positive yeah. But no, no, I think it was too new for us.

[A]

Okay. Because I was gonna say you probably.

[B]

But I know the music.

[A]

Yeah. Just like formed a deeper relationship with the characters and probably had, of course, we read more of a understanding of their, you know, motives and all that type of stuff.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Versus I'm going into the movie where somebody else has kind of fleshed out the motives of the characters that weren't fleshed out right. In the. Whatever. So I'm seeing. In the. In the play. So I'm seeing Galinda through John M. Chu's eyes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And what he's decided are her motives and what she's here for. And. Yeah, she seemed dumb to me. I don't know. Not in like a. Not in a completely vacant way, but definitely in a. I can't think deeper than this. She's shallow in a. In a shallow way. Dumb in a shallow way.

[B]

Interesting. I will. I agree with shallow. I still don't think dumb.

[A]

Okay. Kind of like, she doesn't have the range type way. For me, that. That was my elaborate.

[B]

What that mean?

[A]

Like, when Elphaba and the prince are kind of talking about how unfair it is that the animals are being treated that way and she genuinely, like, doesn't get it. You know, like, it, like, doesn't, like, really affect her like that. She's like, no, Yeah, I thought about that character. I thought about that all day. Like, yeah. You know, she, like, can't. I wonder if she just is. She's just not that deep. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

She doesn't have the range.

[B]

To me, that doesn't fall in dumb. But I agree. I think vapid. I think shallow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And self centered. But I don't think any of those things are necessarily dumb. That's fair because I. I think she's too calculated to be dumb. I think she's.

[A]

You know what? I think part two will tell me more. So I did end up seeing Wicked the Musical live at the Pantages in Los Angeles. And I guess I kept waiting to get to a point when I would, like Glinda, you know, where I was like, okay, they're gonna clear up her heart and they're gonna make her a good person somehow. And it just never came. And I was like, oh, so this is the extent of her.

[B]

I. Yeah, I. So. Cause I remember, like. So I had not seen this show since like 2010, maybe 2011. And I remember being like, yeah, they make her better. I remember telling you that after because we talked about the movie. And I was like, yeah, she's gonna make. Because I remember her being a part of Spoilers. She is sort of a part of Elphaba's ending, and I remember that. And I don't think I remembered the exact details. So I also went and saw the at the Pantages and I was like, oh, she is, like, very loosely a part of this.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And kind of it happened to her.

[A]

It very much was not yet.

[B]

I was like, not a good person. I know. Yeah, you're right. She is not a good person.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. She never becomes a good person.

[A]

She never recovers.

[B]

She does have a redemption arc, but it, again, happens to her. It is not like she, it feels like her redemption arc comes because of Elphaba having her own redemption arc. Like, Elphaba goes through another whole thing and then her overcoming that is the reason that Glinda overcomes her.

[A]

She's a super one dimensional character. Like, I'm like, you actually have no dimension. You are.

[B]

Yeah, you are just shall.

[A]

You're.

[B]

Yes. You're shallow. Is the character.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

There's nothing more to you or the part. I guess what made me think she was dumb was that line in the movie, this might not exist in the playoff, where she's like, why do we have to keep talking about the past? Can you just teach us history?

[B]

Right? Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, that's representative of her as a character to me. I'm like, you're dumb. You know what I mean?

[B]

And so I guess, like, you're right, because there are lines like that. And maybe I'm just offending this girl. Okay.

[A]

No, it's fair. No, no, no.

[B]

Because I'm like, I, I think in some ways I, I feel like I relate to Glenda in a lot of ways. And so I, I do.

[A]

Oh, oh, please, please.

[B]

I, I, maybe I do. I don't know. Maybe I, I don. Because that line, I think, is a line to be funny. Like, I think, but I write.

[A]

Right, Exactly. Is she. Does the character Galinda know that she's being funny?

[B]

No.

[A]

No, Exactly.

[B]

Oh, you're right.

[A]

Is it written to be funny?

[B]

She is. Yes, but she is.

[A]

But does she know she means funny?

[B]

She meant it. Yeah, she meant, she meant.

[A]

That's what I mean about she, like, she can't think that deep. You know, it's just.

[B]

And I guess, I don't know. Do you always think deeply?

[A]

If you ask me, yes. Maybe if you ask somebody else.

[B]

No.

[A]

They're like, look at this dumbass.

[B]

No, stop.

[A]

But I don't know. You never know. You never know. I could be GL in real life for all I know. Be thinking that I'm so smart, and then somebody else outside watching my play life, life of my play being like, oh, here's this annoying character.

[B]

I don't think that's happening. But, yeah, I guess you're right. When I'm really sitting here and discussing, I'm like, you're right. I do feel like she is dumber than I am. I'm trying to fight for her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I guess. I guess I'd say she's not dumb in the sense of. I do think she knows how to get her way and that. I think she is more. And I think she is. She thinks about herself and plans, and I think that that takes some level of smart.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I even think her not leaving with. With Elphaba made sense to me because I'm like, what the are you gonna do? Like, I literally. Yeah. This is the end. At the end of act one. Like, I don't. What is she going to do with.

[A]

Alphabet except go be a good person?

[B]

Is it. You think so?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

What do you think?

[B]

No, no, I don't. I. I don't think I've thought about, like, if it's a good or a bad person. I just am like, what would you do with me? I. Yeah. I don't know that staying is the right answer. But I also, like, go and do what? Like, and I also get the idea of being scared. And, like, it's like the. You cling to what feels comfortable, and you're like, all I've ever.

[A]

That's a way scarier option is to go. I get that. Yeah.

[B]

And that's what I'm saying. I think that she is like, this is. That's scary. What am I going to go do? All I know is being here. And it's. Yeah. It's just choosing that. And I think in the. The second act, you see her kind of dealing with the consequences of that. And that's what I'm saying. Like, she has a arc, but again, it's not. It's an arc that happens to her, not her choosing.

[A]

It's not intrinsically motivated.

[B]

Correct. Yes. Things are being thrust at her, and she has to make choices, right? Yes, correct. Yeah. But either way, Ariana acts down. We kind of dissected this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ariana acts down.

[A]

Oh, she really did.

[B]

I'm so funny.

[A]

I'm so glad people back and they see that my girl is really about.

[B]

This because people really, like, try to act like she's not funny and she's one. She's funny.

[A]

She's been funny. So she looked that damn donut. She's been funny to me. Sorry.

[B]

I hate America. Hilarious. That was so funny, Right? She was ahead of her time.

[A]

I'm so sorry. Right? What?

[B]

Like, girl. Yeah, she was right. I think so. The rest of the cast, obviously, Cynthia Erivo. Like, that way she sings things. So this is. Okay. So I love the way she sings things. I love that Ariana Grande also separates her pop voice from this, and that is Hell yeah. She makes it musical theater in a way that I'm like, oh, you are a musical. The theater singer.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Cynthia rivo.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Finds a way to make these. Cynthia. These songs, they don't sound musical theater. It just feels like it's falling out of her mouth. I love it.

[A]

Effortless. It's effortless, and it's not musical theater. Cynthia Erivo. And it is effortless. Like, she could do anything. She could do any genre of music, I feel like. And it would just be like.

[B]

Yes. It'll be very good.

[A]

Oh, my God. What is that voice?

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's dumb.

[A]

How do you have so much control? Like, your vocal cords are golden and strong and just flexible and.

[B]

Should we try the challenge?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And nobody and all of us, no.

[A]

Wizard that there is or was is ever gonna bring me down.

[B]

Sorry. That wasn't it. I'm gonna.

[A]

Yeah. You know. You know how it sounds when audio is peaking, like when you have on headphones. It sounded like that, but not with headphones to me. Like my. It was peaking in my natural ears.

[B]

Peaking. Your interest.

[A]

Peeking. My eardrums. Peeking in my natural ears.

[B]

As in the peak of talent.

[A]

As in like the peak of a mountain.

[B]

Oh, exactly. Right. Like, my vocals were so tip top. Mount Everest, Honey.

[A]

No, Sweets, I do understand what you mean about feeling like you have stuff in common with Glinda now. Talented. I didn't even know half the beginning lyrics that you.

[B]

I jumped around. You can just do straight. Go straight to. I'm sorry. Garrick is in the other room for Hazel. And I'm so.

[A]

This is for baby Hazel.

[B]

Oh. Oh, okay. That was really. You were being serious. I was trying to be funny, so. Okay. If we're gonna really.

[A]

Weren't trying. No, hold on. That's what you sound like.

[B]

I didn't. What was. I didn't hear the laugh. Okay, give me a sec. I thought we were being funny. I didn't know we were going to actually try.

[A]

So I only know how to be serious. I yeah, I do when it comes to my voice. Like it doesn't really do the fun. Hold on.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

Get into the correct doctor whenever you get. Whenever you get a chance.

[B]

Okay, let's get into the things though, so I know I've wasted time.

[A]

One's got to go amongst these characters. Alphaba. Is her name Galinda or Glinda?

[B]

Why is it is now Glinda?

[A]

She.

[B]

She told you that in the movie it was Ginda with a guy.

[A]

With a guy. Alphaba Galinda.

[B]

It's just Glinda now.

[A]

Nessa Rose. Including her adorable baby version. I love her. Oh yeah. That was so good. Fiero, who's gotta go for you of the.

[B]

Okay, I, I so I know that Nessarose ends up becoming a dictator and a tyrant and a terrible human being. But I can't get rid of baby Nessa.

[A]

It's.

[B]

She's doing this. Every time you're mean to Nessa Rose. Every time you guys are mean to Nessa Rose, you're mean to that little girl.

[A]

You don't even like kids.

[B]

I love that one. From a distance. She was so sweet. Did you see her on the red carpet? It doesn't matter. One of the videos.

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

Oh, there are videos of like the little actress because she's like, she's literally a differently abled kid. Yes. That kid actually is in a wheelchair. So she's like on the red carpet in her little dress is so.

[A]

I would die.

[B]

I love her.

[A]

She's very, very cute for her.

[B]

Yeah, she's very sweet. One of these people have to go. I think Fiero, honestly, Fiero's boring. I don't know why either of these girls are fighting over him. And that song. Dancing Through Life. I agree. It's one of the worst. And why is it 10 minutes not good?

[A]

It is long.

[B]

It is bad.

[A]

The choreo for it. Don't like nothing about that.

[B]

I'm like, can we just get to the eyes?

[A]

Yeah. Please move along, move along.

[B]

And you see, he did get nominated. But I do think Jonathan Bailey is very hot. Very hot little man.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But yeah, I, I think Fiero has to go.

[A]

Okay, Fiero. I, I understand that reasoning and I didn't. I felt mostly indifferent toward Fiero. But I also, I kind of liked him cuz he had that humanitarian edge to him a little bit.

[B]

A little. I like that.

[A]

I like that a little bit. Nessa Rose though, you're not wrong. Was a. I just. She was stank from. From. From, like, damn near scene one. Whenever the first time I saw her, I was like.

[B]

When she didn't want help from her sister, I feel like she was just like, hey, I got it. Imagine your whole life being. Baby.

[A]

No, no, I get it. I do understand. If that were happening in isolation, it would be like, yes. No, that totally makes sense. Like, you know, whatever. But it is that coupled with her being ashamed of her sister right when they felt. Feeling all that.

[B]

Yeah. Why are you ashamed of me?

[A]

Like, what are you ashamed of?

[B]

What, are we trying to help you out?

[A]

I've been your caretaker your whole life. Like, and you acting ashamed of me, like, I'm getting on your nerves also.

[B]

And I do. That is one thing I wish that they explain. Expand on, I guess. Never mind. There. She's just. It's just like having a different sister.

[A]

She did. And she never stood up for her sister, not once. She's like, like, what was that line? There was a line where they're like, you're. Oh, you're. You're tragically beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then turn to her sister and be like, oh, beautifully tragic, or whatever. Her sister.

[B]

Oh, yeah. She says, yeah, yeah, yeah. She says, I'm beautifully tragic.

[A]

You say, no, I know you. You go to your sister. Don't say that about yourself. You are beautiful. But she's like, no. Yeah, you green bastard. You are weird.

[B]

Don't touch my chest.

[A]

Like, I didn't like it. I didn't like. I didn't like nothing about Nessa Rose. Not one single time.

[B]

Also, her. And the whole Bach thing is also sa.

[A]

Like your sister trying to tell you.

[B]

That man don't want you.

[A]

That man.

[B]

And she said that I don't want you.

[A]

She sets you up. You look silly. Your hair. You're not even that cute. Okay? And you didn't give a. You didn't want to hear none of it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Now you had to be embarrassed.

[B]

Well, yeah. And then she does get embarrassed, and.

[A]

You do get embarrassed.

[B]

And also it's. Yeah, okay, that's fair.

[A]

And then you turn into a dictator trying to trap. Trap this one man.

[B]

Kind of crazy, actually. It does get nuts. That's a spoiler. But, yeah, she gets a little. She gets a little nuts over the.

[A]

Time I was like, I don't like. So Nessa Rose and baby Nestled. Everybody can go. Everybody can go. If it mean that big Nestle gotta go, then little Nestle can go, right?

[B]

So you gotta get out of here.

[A]

Like, I did not.

[B]

Like, did you see that people were actually like, sending death threats? Not death.

[A]

I did.

[B]

Girls, please come down.

[A]

And this is what concerns me about the current state of the United States of America. I'm like, you guys cannot separate that. That is someone playing a role. That is not that character. Issa Rae talked about that recently. She was like, yeah, people would like, cuss me out on the street and call me a cheater when Insecure was on air because they could not separate.

[B]

What'S happening, what's going on.

[A]

Children were left behind. George Bush.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Absolutely. Left behind. George Bush. Yeah.

[B]

Cause I'm like, why? You know what? The Internet also makes it easier to do it to people. Like, you feel bold behind a keyboard. That I can do it.

[A]

You would never say no like that to people in real life.

[B]

No. Also. Yeah, yeah. The Internet gets too much access, unfortunately.

[A]

Too much access to everybody and everybody's thoughts. Like, I, I, I don't care. Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to hear that.

[B]

But either way, yes. Neither here nor there. Damn. So you're getting rid of Nessa Rose.

[A]

And baby, I'm getting rid of Nessa Rose. Personally, me.

[B]

Yeah. I love that we're both keeping Glinda and Alphabet.

[A]

Yeah, obviously.

[B]

I mean, what's the story? What else are we doing?

[A]

I mean, now if I can only keep one. Obviously I'm keeping.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Is everybody or some people keeping Galinda? Because she's.

[B]

No, you're right. Elphaba is definitely the more interesting character.

[A]

Also, Cynthia looked really good green.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

She just like looked really stunning. Yeah.

[B]

The way they contoured person.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. You look great. Like, damn. I do kind of want to be.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

Yeah, for, For Halloween. I'm like, maybe I'll be off for Halloween. I was gonna be that or Doji. Unclear.

[B]

It's a big gears for black girls ones easier.

[A]

Which one?

[B]

Dolce. I imagine you're gonna paint yourself green.

[A]

Yeah, Just for one day. Okay. Now if I do doshi, I gotta get tape on you. I gotta get cornrows and I gotta sit for that for hours.

[B]

Does she have cornrows?

[A]

Yeah, she always has, you know, like that's like her signature look. I feel like she is like corn rare cornrow.

[B]

Like, I mean, not these type of brace. But she has like, she has like a bunch of micros right now, does she not?

[A]

Not to my knowledge. At the grip.

[B]

It's not micros, but she has. It's not cornrows at the grandma.

[A]

It's not cornrows, but she usually does have cornrows. I feel like that's her signature. Yeah. Like this is like her signature hair and I was gonna do that. That more or less.

[B]

That's fair.

[A]

Yeah. The look I was going to do, but yeah, I was going to do, but. It's a big year for black girls.

[B]

It is really a big year.

[A]

Galinda Ariana Grande was another black girl.

[B]

I love another black woman led by two black women.

[A]

Like, when was the last time we had. It's. It's one of them days. And wicked insane. Back to back, back to back.

[B]

Great year for black women.

[A]

2024.

[B]

Did both of us know one of them days came out. But I'm with you. I'm understanding. We rolled into Damn.

[A]

It did happen this year, huh?

[B]

Hey, January was a long year.

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Cash drama/mess. Was there any cash trauma?

[B]

Well, there is the. The drum. Yeah, that's how Ariana Grande in.

[A]

Oh, what do you mean? Like.

[B]

Yeah. What?

[A]

I totally forgot that is all of this. Oh, also. Oh my God, I forgot, you know. Okay, it's the munchkin man.

[B]

It is literally Bach.

[A]

That is so crazy.

[B]

You know what's crazy? So I saw this movie with a bunch of my gay friends and they all were like, yeah, I see it. And I was like, I still hear Ethan Slater. They did. They were like, after watching the movie, they said seeing him in motion really made them feel.

[A]

Is everybody okay?

[B]

I agree. I was like, you guys, I'm terrified. I'm so sorry. But I understand how Ariana Grande ended up there because everyone else in that movie is gay. So she like. There was no one else to hook up with. So of course it's like theater camp. There's always one gay or one straight boy and he gets all the girls. Cuz everyone's gay.

[A]

Cuz everybody else is gay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. So that's really the place. Garrett, wasn't you in theater? What? Garrick was in theater, y'. All.

[B]

You seen this yearbook?

[A]

Oh, God. If y' all ever seen Garrick's yearbook, it's just on talking about, my man, my man, my man. Anyways, moving along.

[B]

But yeah, I see how she got there because there was no other options and you know, yes, riding off a divorce.

[A]

But like Ariana Grande, there's. There's not. Got 800 men throwing themselves at you at any given time, but you're not.

[B]

With them all the time. You were never in like an activity where there were Other boys.

[A]

I wasn't a joiner.

[B]

That's okay.

[A]

I didn't do anything.

[B]

Close proximity, you know, that. That can make you be like, wow, maybe this is it.

[A]

No, I don't think that ever happened to me. I'm not gonna hold you.

[B]

Oh, I have definitely. Like, I remember there was, like, a study abroad trip I did where, like, one of the other. He was like a student teacher, and we were like, in this therapy class, whatever, and we were just with him all the time. And I remember thinking, am I attracted to this man just because we were with him all the time? And I look back and I'm like, he was not cute.

[A]

He was just kind.

[B]

And, like, he was. I mean, he's also just out. So, like, it was a kind out gay man that I was with for what, like two weeks?

[A]

And you were in high school?

[B]

No, no, I was in college at this point.

[A]

Okay. And you came out in college, right?

[B]

Yeah, this is by. This was grad school, so, like. Yeah. And I remember being like, oh, wow. And I look back and I'm like, what the. Like, I remember it was. I don't know, it was like, proximity. It really did a spell.

[A]

I've heard about that before. That's not. It just hasn't happened to me. But I definitely have heard that.

[B]

That's like.

[A]

Like a common thing that happens, isn't it? So the case. Was it theater camp? I think it was maybe the movie theater camp when they were like, you're gonna think you like him. You don't. It's just. It was something that was probably where it's like, yeah, you're gonna think you like him. You don't. You're just spending a bunch of time together right now. And he's straight. That's it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's just that. That is literal. That is real.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Because that man. I don't want to say, you know.

[B]

At this point, they're still together.

[A]

So to be fair, pretty girls, like, like, not super attractive men.

[B]

Often I wonder if it's a power thing. I don't know about this. With this. I'm just saying in general, is there a level of like.

[A]

Yeah, like, for what the man.

[B]

For her being like. I know. I know that you are dating up. So the fact that you were dating up, to me, you're not.

[A]

Men don't work that way.

[B]

I mean, I.

[A]

Men do not work that way. Right.

[B]

You know.

[A]

At all. That only thing you setting yourself up for is to be dogged out by an ugly. That's It. That's it.

[B]

You think Then I have the idea.

[A]

You think he knows that he can never do better than you? You think he knows and then he started treating you like. Like he is the hottest man on the planet.

[B]

Junior Warren.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That's real. That's exactly what it is. Wow. Now. Wow. Okay, fair enough. The face you just made, it really a visceral reaction in your body.

[A]

I hate that man.

[B]

Your spirit rejected.

[A]

Oh, my God. And I'll be trying to not to hate people who I don't know personally because the Internet could have done whatever.

[B]

Sure. No, he seems exception also because the content he continues to make seems to be annoying. He seems annoying.

[A]

Oh, God. Hate his guts. Best song in the film for you.

[B]

Oof. I. This is hard for me because I so going in because I had seen it before. Popular. Was it? It's very fun. Very, very fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't like Ariana Grande's version. I will say.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

I think Christian Chin was version is very better.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

In this movie specifically, the wizard and I does it for me every time. Like we were talking about being moved by a song. That song makes me feel like I. Every time I listen to it, I have to perform. Like, I feel like, yes, I am on the precipice of something amazing in life. And then also knowing where it goes. It's just a bittersweet because she doesn't know what she's saying, but she literally is having a vision. It's all true. She's like. She's literally having a vision of the future. She just doesn't know. But, like, it's. I don't know. It's beautifully, beautifully tragic. It's a great song. It makes me feel things every time.

[A]

I think you might convince me about that one. It's so pretty. And then the way she falls into.

[B]

It actually happen, like, you know, like.

[A]

Cynthia does a really good job with that too. Like, she does a really good job portraying the emotions of that scene.

[B]

Okay. For you, what is good?

[A]

I guess I would say.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Unlimited. Is that it? No. Defined gravity. Yeah, Defined gravity would be.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

My favorite one. Yeah.

[B]

Like, I've seen lots of particularly black women feeling like they catch the holy Spirit during that.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like being like.

[A]

It really does feel like that. It really does feel like that. Like, I feel the swell in my body for that one.

[B]

Is it. Is it just like. And I wonder, is it feeling. Feeling like the thing that makes it stick out to me is like the playing by the rules of someone else's game. Do you ever feel like you're like, I've had to rid myself of those things. Is that like what makes things of playing by the rules of other people's rules, living other people's limitations? Like, what about that song?

[A]

I think it's winning despite limitations.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, it's like defying the odds. Like, it's like, oh, I wasn't supposed to be here, but here I am, you know, and I'm doing it. Yeah. Y' all told me I couldn't. Y' all told me it was impossible. Y' all told me. Y' all told me it didn't matter. I believed in me and I did that. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, I think it's similar. I think what we're saying is like, similar. I feel like it's like resonant for similar reasons because I feel like she.

[B]

It's like looking at it from two different sides of the same story. Because I feel where I'm seeing it is that she's on the beginning of it. Like she's saying, I'm. I'm going to. You were seeing it from the triumphant side.

[A]

Right, Right, right. Do notoriously. Really like a triumphant song.

[B]

Sure, sure, sure.

[A]

Oh, back to the cash drama.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no, we have to say there's lots going on.

[A]

We missed Ethan Slater.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so the story is Ethan was married.

[B]

Yes. To a psychologist.

[A]

To. Oh, she was a psychologist. To a psychologist. Newborn baby. Yeah, he's doing wicked.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

That baby is born like at the end of them. At the end of them doing wicked. Right. Because that baby was a newborn. Ariana held that baby. Baby. Allegedly. That's apparently. Apparently I would.

[B]

Woo.

[A]

Let me tell you something. I would wipe the floor with. I will both of you.

[B]

I have to hurt both of you because by the time this happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You knew that you were her.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I have to hurt you. You brought your mistress to. I did not hold my newborn.

[A]

Probably when I'm throws of postpartum depression and you riding a hive movie that you leaving me and your kid at home by ourselves.

[B]

4 and you're someone else. Not only are you happy about this movie, you're happy because you're this. Sorry, I didn't realize I would hurt you. I would have to.

[A]

No. 100 easily. Right? Yeah, Allegedly.

[B]

You know, I don't know.

[A]

I wasn't there.

[B]

I'm not the baby.

[A]

But allegedly, I'm not the baby. I'm not the baby, Mom. I don't know.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But allegedly she held that baby sure. While she was that. That girl's man.

[B]

That seems also crazy on Ariana's part. Like, I don't want to. I don't think I could do that. I think if I knew I was the other person, maybe there's a world where like, I would have to be around you. Like. And so like I. But I'm not going out of my way to be around you. I know that feels. I would be like, avoid you.

[A]

I saw something on Tick Tock that was saying, like, people who do stuff like that are so in the throes of love that they like, don't even see it as bad. You know, like, they're like, this is the love of my life, period. And then this is his baby.

[B]

Sure, sure. And also, again, she was also fresh off of a divorce, so emotions are all over the place. So like, not to excuse it. I mean, do not.

[A]

Do not.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Bad all around.

[B]

But. But I guess I can understand how 1. Emotionally you're in a place where you're like, yeah, this makes sense. Go for it.

[A]

You're like, sure, yikes.

[B]

I don't think. Yeah. And so. Right. So this is literally happening. It is. That's pretty bad.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Was that the most of the drama? And then I guess there's.

[B]

Then people are annoyed with the Ariana and. And Cynthia.

[A]

Reboot Cynthia. They're weird clutching and the hand and the rubbish.

[B]

Like they're. Well. And so. Because then there's the post drama with Ariana, Cynthia and. And Lena. Waithe. So have you seen? Oh, have you not seen?

[A]

Yeah, allegedly they're there to get like, Ariana and Cynthia are now or dating.

[B]

I don't see this. All of their things feel very normal to me.

[A]

It feels girl. It feels like girl. You know, it doesn't. I think the part that's throwing us off is Cynthia's involvement with it because Cynthia doesn't feel like, oh, she doesn't.

[B]

Feel warm in a way.

[A]

Yeah. You know what I mean? In the way that Ariana Grande way. And I don't mean like Cynthia doesn't seem feminine. She just does not have that, like.

[B]

No. Girly and not like, not feminine girly, but I mean like really as in.

[A]

Like childlike, like, let's hold hands and like, whatever. Whereas Ariana definitely seems like she always had that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like always trying to hold somebody, always trying to do something. And Cynthia seems more like she's like kind of obliging Ariana Grande.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

More than she is like in on it. Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like anytime I see them like interacting.

[A]

It.

[B]

It feels platonic. Like nothing about it feels sexual to me.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

I like, I'm like, I think it's funny for the memes of it all, but like the way people are diving in and then like people are looking at like Lena Waith's. So like, I guess there was a theory that someone was a. Lena calls Cynthia Revo's sister. Like that is her thing. Which is weird. And then so Ariana, she calls her sister. I agree. This is. This is a. What are you talking about? I'm saying this is a fan theory that like she got mad at Ariana Grande because she referred to her in an Instagram post as her sister and she knows that that is the pet name that it's very.

[A]

Lena. Wait. Legitimately calls allegedly her sister.

[B]

Allegedly. This is what. This is where. Cuz like it was an Instagram post that Lena said. Like, like, where's. Like, that's my. Like something like that.

[A]

For those of you who don't know, Lena wa is an act. Is a writer, producer. Producer and actress in Hollywood dating. She's dating Cynthia Aro.

[B]

Correct?

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

But yeah, so apparently her and her Instagram story was like, that's my sister. Something weird like that. And like, so fans are connecting that with like being angry at her. Being angry at Ariana Grande. And then they also Alina with reposted a clip of Ariana Grande saying, oh, yeah, we were so annoying on the press tour. She was talking with I forget the actor's name. They're doing actors on actors. And he was like, yeah, you and Cynthia on the press tour. And Ariana jokingly is like, I know we're so annoying. Right? And Cynthia or Lena waithe repost that clip in her story.

[A]

Oh, so they're like. And I'm saying like she likes to be true. Like, yeah, everybody.

[B]

But like people are using those things.

[A]

To assume to think that Ariana Grande is throwing shots at Lena Waithe feels so crazy.

[B]

Would hurt her.

[A]

Like, yeah, it just very much. I'm like, what is this? Feels like the strangest crossover episode. Like, no, she's not throwing shots at Lena Wade.

[B]

I think that is happening.

[A]

Are you guys okay?

[B]

Yeah, I think people are weird and bored. That is where the drama is now. Now people think that Ariana has moved on from now.

[A]

Ethan did just. Just post a photo of Ariana when she got nominated for the Oscar Cute love. He posted in his it might have been greater story. I can't remember. He posted like a photo of her from behind in like their hotel room. In like a sepia tone. And he was like, congratulations to this one or something like that. Some. Some type of caption like that. Sweet, like. And that re upped because again, everybody thought that their relationship had kind of fizzled or something. Like you never heard anything about it. And then for him to just re up it like that.

[B]

They're fine.

[A]

Feels crazy. Does it? Yeah, it feels a little crazy to me. How so? Like, it's like that just died out. We just stopped talking about. We just were like, oh, maybe it's like over, like. Okay. And then you go ahead and post her from the back. Casually, like, reminding us like, oh, yeah.

[B]

That'S mine, that's mine.

[A]

Yeah. No, like, yeah, no, we really did do that. I don't think it's that crazy. I'm like, oh, very similar to Prior.

[B]

I feel like they are going to be in a relationship for the next. You know what? And maybe it's the press run.

[A]

Maybe they're like, Gary the Grandy, he got six more months.

[B]

No, they gotta get through the.

[A]

Do you know you have 30 minutes?

[B]

Do you? Yeah, 30, 30, 30.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They're gonna go through at least a second movie.

[A]

Okay. They have to.

[B]

This is a. I mean, like. I mean, we have to keep it alive.

[A]

I ain't seen them do press together at all.

[B]

They were during the premieres. They've been photographed together this winter.

[A]

Yes. Have they done any. Sit down?

[B]

No, but what they wouldn't do together because it'll be her and there's no need for them to. Yeah, but they are seen together.

[A]

All right. Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, they're gonna stick through. Through at least the movie.

[A]

I hope so.

[B]

Maybe the long haul. Maybe.

[A]

Oh, it's already. It's already filmed anyways. But they do have to do press like each other. They could fake that, though. You know that's what I'm saying.

[B]

I think that they, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Stick around.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I like them. I like them.

[A]

You like them?

[B]

Why not?

[A]

I don't. They're small. Yeah, they're small.

[B]

Cute little small.

[A]

They're a cute little small couple. He is funny looking. Why do they keep calling him spongebob?

[B]

Because he played spongebob in spongebob the musical.

[A]

Oh, he plays.

[B]

He is a Broadway boy as well.

[A]

I kept being like, he don't sound like the voice of SpongeBob. So I'm confused. What? I keep calling.

[B]

No, he was in spongebob music.

[A]

This how far removed I am from Broadway.

[B]

Yes. That's what.

[A]

I'm not that girl.

[B]

That's okay. Hey, you have. We all have different.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, I. I think the drama. I think that's most of the drama. I'm trying to think if there was anything else. I don't really think. I think it was really just Ethan and then.

[A]

Yeah, them. Them just talking about the lyrics to define gravity are really.

[B]

Oh girl. Yeah.

[A]

Saving space for saving space lyrics and defying gravity.

[B]

But you know what's funny about that is that they also were like, I didn't understand what she was saying. And I love that they were being honest about it because I also was like.

[A]

But I didn't know that was happening.

[B]

Right. Because I don't know what the that means.

[A]

Yeah. R. R, like do you get it? Do you. Are you okay? Are you okay? Is this something bad happening? What do you mean by imagine?

[B]

I feel like what a strange thing to be on a press tour where like cuz you. I guess in theory somebody might say some wild like that and you have to respond in a way that's like, wow, I'm really respect.

[A]

What if I was just like, what do you mean?

[B]

What is that?

[A]

What's happening? No. Yeah.

[B]

What are they saying?

[A]

I didn't know anything specific was happening.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like how.

[B]

What does that mean? I guess. Yeah, how. And then also what am I supp to say to that?

[A]

Like, oh, don't know what I'm supposed to do.

[B]

Love that for you guys.

[A]

But I did think they were annoying on the press tour. Really?

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I mean not like aggressively so, but yeah, like just like, you know, this feels contrived. Like can we. Okay.

[B]

It started to get a little annoying to me when she was like Ariana Grinder goes, yeah, I think Galinda was definitely gay. And I'm like, what? Yes, she said that. And then Kristen Chinn was chimed in as well. Like I thought the same thing. And I'm like, stop it, stop it. I'm like, nothing about. Nothing about that character feels gay.

[A]

What are you all talking about?

[B]

Talking about because they're trying to like, you know, they're trying to like.

[A]

They're trying to make her be a good person because she didn't have any redeeming.

[B]

I'm imagining that the second movie will flesh her out and make her nicer. They will have to.

[A]

They have to.

[B]

Watching this. Yeah. Watching Act 2 of the musical, I was like, oh, she's just a bad person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It does not Glenda.

[A]

And even the way they set it up like the open. Them being like, would you were her friend and her being like, kinda. I knew her. I mean, we crossed paths once at school. Baby, that was your best friend.

[B]

And also technically, spoiler. This is happening presumably hours after you.

[A]

Found out she.

[B]

Was blaming her. Like, girl, you. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Yeah. No, it's not good. It's not good. I really misremembered that. And when I watched it, I was like, oh, yeah, she's kind of bad. Awful all the way through.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because even her getting spoilers mad about the Fiero of it all. I'm like, I mean, girl, you also didn't. You knew he wasn't for you.

[A]

You didn't like. Yeah, like, you didn't like same. He like, you didn't understand this relationship sucked. Right? Like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it was not good. She's not good.

[A]

She's not bad. It was bad.

[B]

So I. But I imagine that the movie will make her better now.

[A]

You know what I did not see coming? What? I didn't see that damn twist coming or not twist. But I didn't see the getting away.

[B]

Or them becoming who they are.

[A]

No. I didn't see the teacher. Oh, being bad and being part of the trailer. Yeah, it.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

I didn't see that coming in the movie.

[B]

In the first movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really? Oh, I thought she.

[A]

Sorry, I didn't go implying I gasped.

[B]

Wild. She's honestly arguably worse than the wizard. You know what?

[A]

I will say she is worse. She is horrible.

[B]

I think I like her better in the musical than the movie.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The movie. She's a little boring.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Not that Michelle yo. Is doing a good job. I just think that the character is more interesting on stage.

[A]

I was. I loved the actress who plays that character at the pantry. She was so, so fun. She was really good. I was like, oh, she bringing something to this? Yeah. But she has some to her. Yeah.

[B]

I. I think they. They split that character into two in the movie. Cuz like, she's also the orientation leader effectively in the. On the. In the stage version, trying to make.

[A]

Sure it's not about to go off.

[B]

But yes, in the play she's just like. Or in the movie, she's just. And I thought that the actress who played her on stage was the actress in the movie who was the orientation leader. They look and sound exactly the same.

[A]

And I should look into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because you know. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I do kind of remember that.

[B]

I'm like, is that the same?

[A]

Is that her?

[B]

She Is great on stage. She really. The tour coming to your town.

[A]

Go definitely go see. But yeah, no, I didn't see that coming at all. Shock that bad. Bit bad at that.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

And then, yeah, the obviously the racial undertones of the entire movie.

[B]

So like, that's what made me like, it's weird to me that she's not black in. So there's only been two black Elphabas.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Period before Cynthia Erivo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Only one of them is on Broadway now.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And like, yes. Like, they're the first full time black Alphabet's happening right now. There was another one on the West End, but like, the character Elphaba is so black coated, like, everything about it is black.

[A]

I was like, what statement are y' all trying to make? Yeah, I really wanted to understand. I was like, if not black, what are y' all saying?

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Is it just different like anybody who's ostracized? I'm sure. Yeah, but yeah, but it feels very black. Very black girl.

[B]

Yeah, very, like, yeah, well, and it's, this is a detail in the stage play that it's not necessarily the movie movie, but in the, the play they go to the Emerald City and they. Everyone in the Emerald City wears green glasses. So that's why. Oh my God.

[A]

So that's why they did not explain that well enough in the movie because. Okay. Yeah. I was like, why they still haven't seen a green person. Like, why? Because everyone's green.

[B]

And then in the. And so like, oh, how free.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And that's why she so in the stage, she has a line that isn't in the movie where she goes, wow, I want to remember this forever. I, I, no one's staring. And like, she doesn't realize why they're not saying, but they literally, she's like, it's the first time that everyone just sees her as a person.

[A]

I have to go visit the homeland.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I love this. Your takeaway. I have to go back to Africa.

[A]

Make my way to the homeland.

[B]

In the, On Broadway, the originally, Glinda has yellow glasses and so she sees Elphaba as she like, like the, the yellow glasses makes her see Glenn or Elphaba as a, a white person. Like her skin. Well, not white, but like.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, right, right.

[B]

So she's just like, oh. But like, I mean, it's just like a fun detail. I don't know that it changes.

[A]

That's really interesting.

[B]

Everyone else wears green and she, that's why her dress is also yellow in the stage Play because she's wearing yellow glasses and she looks like. Oh, yeah. Like, she looks at her like she's a normal person. Like it's supposed to be like, this.

[A]

Is her like, the whole time.

[B]

Only in the Emerald City. Only in the Emerald City. When they're there, her glasses are yellow. So she sees Elphaba as a regular person, but everyone else wears green glasses.

[A]

Oh, my God. Those are really good. Details, details. I'm sad I didn't get to. I didn't see even in the play.

[B]

It's like one of those things I remembered from seeing it as, like, in. And like, my teacher telling me about it. That's why I knew.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I don't think that they have the glasses in the movie. Maybe they wear them and they don't say anything. But yes, that is why everyone sees her.

[A]

Very interesting. Yeah. But, yeah, the racial undertones really felt triggering to me. I think that's extra why I'm like, Galinda, that has to go. Because that feels so personal. Interesting. Like, just like. Like it's just very white privilege. Like, it's just so white privilege coded. And I'm like.

[B]

I guess I never looked at it that way.

[A]

But it is extremely white privilege. It's very. Yeah, very white privilege.

[B]

I can leave this. I. I know I could run away with you.

[A]

I know I could care, but it's safer for me not to.

[B]

Do you think she doesn't care?

[A]

I think she doesn't care enough to put herself on the line, which is true of a lot of people.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But again, nothing changes unless the dominant.

[B]

People do step out.

[A]

Change it. That's it again.

[B]

To be fair, in the end, she does kind of change things. Sort of. She sends the wizard away. She takes over and, like, fixes after.

[A]

Her main and died. And she didn't deny that she knew the. And all types of stuff because then how could she help change?

[B]

If they knew she was with the Wicked, they had to believe she was bad.

[A]

I hate her. You're like, you didn't even fix her legacy or nothing. You just let her keep being this fake evil.

[B]

I'm trying to find a way to defend it and I really can't. Yeah, she kind of just lets her go. Yeah, that was. I kind of knew her in college.

[A]

Kind of, you know, good news.

[B]

I mean, so sort of. Yeah, a little bit knew her is crazy.

[A]

I, like, pitied her. Yeah. I, like, honestly, I really pitied her.

[B]

We were at school and I, like, barely talked.

[A]

There was one time she was doing.

[B]

This weird dance and like, so I was like, oh.

[A]

And so I was like, oh, my God. Let me like, make it cool and cute. And so I like, did that. It. My charity, you know.

[B]

Very sweet.

[A]

I did a lot of charity back.

[B]

We had a couple of wizard classes together. We did when the. When Ms. Marble picked me and when the wizard.

[A]

When she really wanted me to be her protege. And I was like, well, I won't do it without the weird green girl because she needs a friend.

[B]

And you know, I wouldn't say friend. I wouldn't.

[A]

Oh, oh, sorry. I didn't mean friend. She needs a mentor, you know, she needs guidance. She needs help. And I'm just really.

[B]

That's why I let her stay in my room, you know.

[A]

So, you know. Yeah. I let her live in my. My room.

[B]

Was very kind of me. I gave my granny's hat.

[A]

Yeah, so.

[B]

So. So I mean, like, yeah, she died in that hat. She. She died.

[A]

So.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

At the end of the day.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah. I did a lot for her anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It was just that. Yeah, it was. It was. It was actually triggering. The whole movie is triggering for me.

[B]

Triggering.

[A]

Not in like a deep like. But like in a. I'm having an emotional response to this movie for sure. But not in like a. Oh, I'm about to cry.

[B]

But like in like a. Yeah, yeah, like.

[A]

Like I've been here, like with you. That's annoying. Very annoying to say the least. Like, I. Oh, I don't like. I don't like it at all. I. Wow.

[B]

I. I hate that I. Maybe I'm a bad person. Cuz I keep being like, I understand Glinda.

[A]

It's scary. It's not that I don't understand it. It just. I've been on the bad end.

[B]

You've been on the.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So I feel like I understand the implications of it. Even though it's. Again, a. I'm not. I think many humans would make that choice. That choice, you know, like. And not because they're bad humans, just because. Again, it's scary. Yeah. But there are consequences. And other people have to pay those consequences. Glenda do same. The El did run. Yeah. She came flying. You're a bad. Be a more powerful witch. You know. She told her get on the back. She told her, get on the back of my broom moon.

[B]

We. I don't even know that you can fly at this point.

[A]

Find out around and find out.

[B]

So we are both.

[A]

I'm supposed to be. We're supposed to be here. Like if we're gonna die. At least we die together.

[B]

You.

[A]

Are you about to make me? You about to let me die alone and you're gonna sit here with these evil hooting.

[B]

Now that's tarnish my. You know that.

[A]

You know, you know, you've seen it. You couldn't believe it with your own eyes.

[B]

You don't care about those.

[A]

And you didn't give a.

[B]

You don't care about those animals.

[A]

You don't, you don't, you don't. And you don't care about me. You see me as one of them goddamn animals. Well, okay, that's a leap because I'm green. I don't you think. Cuz I'm black. I'm a monkey.

[B]

Okay, yeah. That's why you're letting them put children in cages, separating them from their mothers.

[A]

I'm telling you. So I can't talk and teach, which.

[B]

Is kind of crazy.

[A]

And read and write.

[B]

But you know, it's kind of scary for real though, because I'm like, they really are banning books and all the things right now. It's real life.

[A]

It's a joke.

[B]

Not a joke. It's actually real.

[A]

Wicked in 20. Life is a very scary experience. No, it's kind of as we watch the Department of education be shut down.

[B]

Sorry, we're about to go on a whole other tangent. But yes, it's scary. It's bad, it's not good, but it's okay.

[A]

Crazy, scary, spooky, hilarious.

[B]

It is hilarious.

[A]

Yeah, you got to.

[B]

Otherwise you gotta last.

[A]

Keep it crying. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I mean, I didn't have much else to say about Wicked. Do you have any other thoughts on as the Wicked connoisseur? No.

[B]

I feel like we really talked about a lot of, like, there's a lot of fun facts that I'm like, that was like, oh, like the glasses and stuff like that. I. I love the surprise of Kristen Chenowitz and Idina Menzel popping up in it. That was because I did not know that was gonna happen.

[A]

It was really cute. Yeah. Oh, the thing I wanted to say. Oh my God. Ariana Grande manifesting this role for.

[B]

Okay, yeah.

[A]

Forever.

[B]

Like, yeah. Because I've seen videos of this and I'm like, please explain.

[A]

So Ariana Grande went to go see Wicked for the first time when she was a child with her mom on Broadway. Kristen Chenoweth's Wicked. And somehow I think her mom, Ariana, they got backstage. Yes. And they meet Kristen and Kristen is talking to Ariana, like being very nice and gives her this little bottle of glinda shampoo. Pink sparkly shampoo. And it's like a little travel size bottle. And Ariana said every day until she ran out of it, she dipped a pinky into it and washed her hair with it. And people say that's like one of the tenets of manifesting, like, bringing your thing into your conscious reality. Bringing the thing that you're manifesting into your conscious reality right now. So every day she's having, like this little tiny reminder. Physical reminder. Galinda. Galinda. Glinda. Is she doing this for years until she, you know, ran out of it entirely. And then on top of that, she's doing little things every now and again. Speaking about Wicked. Every chance that she gets, speaking about her desire to play Glinda. Every chance that she. She gets, speaking about or like making that one song popular with m. That remake of it. Just like she was always manifesting this to the point that she was undeniable for the role. Even when they did not want her.

[B]

To have it say no.

[A]

It was like, oh, but she is. Because she really was.

[B]

Wow. I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know. I think I remember hearing about going backstage, I know she had like a little freaking.

[A]

A little vial of shampoo appear.

[B]

Pink Glenda shampoo. What? Honestly, a good lesson to take away. That's a good lesson we can take from Glenda.

[A]

It is. It is. If nothing else, it is the power of manifestation. And what did Ariana Grande say? She did say she has that song about manifestation.

[B]

Just like magic.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I snap my fingers and I got it.

[A]

Just like magic. Yay. Just like magic. Yeah.

[B]

That's where her. Yeah. Is.

[A]

Middle finger to my thumb and then I snap it.

[B]

Yeah, it's. You're way too.

[A]

No, it isn't.

[B]

You're way too short.

[A]

Is my phone at.

[B]

It's way too short.

[A]

Finger to my th. And then I snap it.

[B]

Yeah, you're too.

[A]

I feel like we're doing the same thing.

[B]

Yeah, you were rushing.

[A]

I don't like how deep you made your voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she has other l about manifestation too. She's like, huh? I vibrate high in my circle. Right? We ain't really. Yeah, I. I vibrate high and my circle. It. She also talks about. Oh, she says, keep my conscious clear. That's why I'm so magnetic on that song. But I guess my thought is, but does she.

[B]

She does. She does.

[A]

She seems like she tries these days. Yeah. It wasn't always. It was not always that, but it does seem like she tries Now.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Since she made that song probably about. Yeah, since about us Positions.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Yeah. Well. Huh. Cuz she was holding babies that she was their daddy.

[B]

We have relapses.

[A]

That's a fact. So. Hey, that's a fact. Who am I? And. And who am I?

[B]

He without sin cast the first stone.

[A]

Period.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah. Anyways, y', all, that's it for this episode of Black People Love Paramore. If you would like to reach me, you can find me at Black People Love Paramore gmail dot com. You can find me across all social medias at BPL Pod or at Sequoia B. Holmes. I have a daily live show on air on Sirius XM with Unwell on the Unwell channel. So if you want to find me there, you can find me every day live from 3pm to 4pm Pacific, 6pm to 7pm Eastern. The show is called the Daily Dirty.

[B]

You can find me everywhere at Good Guy. Rai. That's with a U, G. U D. Good Guy.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

I have questions about the. But yeah, I'm excited.

[A]

This is fun. Yeah.

[B]

I'm excited for your show. I'm. It's. By the time this comes out, will the first ep, they will already be out?

[A]

Yeah. First. Yeah. You'll be able to listen daily. By the time this comes out, you can check me out. You have listened.

[B]

You have already listened to it. You already know. We're talking to you from the future.

[A]

We're talking from the future.

[B]

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