Father's Day with Luis and Lin-Manuel Miranda: Joy, Hustle, and Building a Legacy"

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Father's Day with Luis and Lin-Manuel Miranda: Joy, Hustle, and Building a Legacy"

Podcast: Bleep! with Ana Navarro
Host: Ana Navarro
Guests: Luis Miranda & Lin-Manuel Miranda
Episode Date: June 22, 2026
Production: iHeartPodcasts / Hyphenate Media Group
Duration (key content): ~01:25:00

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Episode Overview

Ana Navarro hosts a heartfelt and lively Father’s Day conversation with Broadway creator Lin-Manuel Miranda and his father, political strategist and activist Luis Miranda. Through humor and candor, the episode explores generational legacy, the joys and quirks of parenting, building a family ethic of activism, challenges of success and representation, and the evolving meaning of home and community for Latino families in America.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Intro & Dynamic (02:35–07:00)

• Father-son dynamic: Ana highlights how Luis and Lin-Manuel are both radically different and strikingly similar—playful banter demonstrates their mutual respect and affection.
• Origin of Lin-Manuel's name: Luis shares the moving story of naming his son after a poem reflecting the intersection of Latin and Vietnamese cultures, rooted in Vietnam War experiences.
  • Quote: "I read a poem when I was an adolescent ... the Vietnam War was very impactful in my life. So I always said, when I have a boy, his name will be Lin Manuel. And it was part of the contract with my wife." — Luis Miranda (04:05)

2. Family Legacy & Parental Involvement (07:00–13:00)

• Luis and wife Luz intentionally cultivated a close-knit family, vowing never to become estranged from their children.
• Lin-Manuel explains that his creativity grew from parental modeling—constant exposure to music, art, and passionate living rather than explicit permission or support.
  • Quote: "Kids don't look at where you're pointing; they're looking at the person who's pointing." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (09:20)
• Discusses differing parenting strategies for Lin-Manuel and his sister, and how being the youngest affected him.

3. Work Ethic, Community, and Raising Children (12:00–15:00)

• Both Mirandas emphasize the family’s ethos of relentless hustle and community engagement.
• Lin-Manuel highlights that ambition and social activism are part of the family legacy.
  • Quote: "I cannot remember a time when either of my parents only had one job." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (12:12)
• Discusses the challenge of raising kids with privilege and instilling empathy and connection.

4. Philanthropy & Success (14:47–16:25)

• Luis reflects on how gaining "financial independence" has enabled deeper philanthropy—not just giving money but building "life with the people that are making change."
  • Quote: "Giving money by itself, it's 20% of the battle. The other 75 is really make life with the people that are making change." — Luis Miranda (15:23)

5. Grandparenting & Family Roles (19:17–23:21)

• Luis is a permissive grandparent—"my job is to deregulate them and then send them back"—contrasting with how he raised his own children.
• Lin-Manuel shares memories of growing up with TV as the "third parent" and the differences in generational discipline.
  • Quote: "TV was the third parent in my house. Cause they [his parents] worked. So I was home with the TV." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (21:35)
• Family ‘connectors’: After Luis’s mother passed, he became the "bochinche in chief," maintaining extended family connections.

6. Working Together & Setting Boundaries (23:27–25:19)

• Lin-Manuel and Luis discuss working together and intentionally establishing family–work boundaries.
  • Quote: "Let's find the lanes in which we work together best. And let's find the lanes where I just want you to be my dad" — Lin-Manuel Miranda (23:43)
• Luis credits competitiveness and goal-setting for family motivation.

7. Identity, Immigration, and Representation (26:16–30:05)

• Ana and the Mirandas discuss the complex identity of Puerto Ricans as US citizens and immigrants.
  • Quote: "Our experience is the same experience, even if your papers are in order." — Luis Miranda (26:58)
• Lin-Manuel reflects on "In the Heights" as a love letter to Washington Heights—and a meditation on "home," immigrant belonging, and generational inheritance.

8. Colorism Criticism and Latino Representation in Hollywood (30:05–34:16)

• Ana challenges the backlash Lin-Manuel faced over colorism in the film adaptation of "In the Heights." Lin-Manuel and Luis share their measured, philosophical responses:
  • Quote: "The art... lives on its own terms over many years." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (33:01)
  • Quote: "You apologize as often as you have to, because at the end of the day... let's go and enjoy this." — Luis Miranda (32:02)
• Ana and Lin-Manuel lament how these controversies can deter further Latino-centered film productions.

9. Marc Anthony's Cameo Story (34:16–35:23)

• Humorous interlude about Marc Anthony playing a disheveled character in "In the Heights":
  • Quote: "The makeup folks go, ‘You’re good.’" — Lin-Manuel Miranda (34:37)

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10. Hamilton, Arts & Political Action (38:16–43:00)

• Lin-Manuel discusses pulling "Hamilton" from the Kennedy Center due to political changes, emphasizing the importance of artistic moral decisions.
  • Quote: "It was a very simple moral decision... if there's no contract, we're not doing that." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (39:44)
• Recounting the Mike Pence/"Hamilton" episode and becoming a target in the culture war.
  • Quote: "We found ourselves in these cultural moments. But again, like, we respect anyone who comes to see our show." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (42:52)

11. Hurricane Maria & Puerto Rican Advocacy (43:00–50:12)

• The Mirandas recall family coordination and activism post-Hurricane Maria—dividing relief efforts, activating networks, and bypassing ineffective government strategies for direct action.
• Ana praises Bad Bunny's aligned activism and shares stories of effective celebrity advocacy.
  • Quote: "All hands on deck. That really became, everyone, do what you are best suited to do." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (43:16)
  • Quote: "It was much more difficult to work with a whole bunch of mayors... but at the end, it paid off." — Luis Miranda (49:46)
• Discussion on artists like Bad Bunny using their influence to drive policy commitments for Puerto Rico.

12. Culture, Joy, and Representation in Music (51:06–52:22)

• Discussion of Bad Bunny's Super Bowl show as a love letter to Latin America, celebrating cultural unity rather than individual celebrity.

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13. Recent & Upcoming Creative Work (57:32–62:09)

• New projects: Moana live action (directed by Tommy Kail), Octet musical adaptation, Warriors theatre project, Buena Vista Social Club’s extended run.
• Lin-Manuel discusses creative process and joy in collaboration.
  • Quote: "I'm at my happiest when I'm making something." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (65:19)
• Lin-Manuel on "We Don't Talk About Bruno" and Encanto being inspired by family togetherness and the pandemic.
  • Quote: "It's about a family all cooped up together. And, you know, the joy of writing Encanto really was throwing all of our family stories in the pot." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (59:55)

14. Politics & Activism Ongoing (66:12–68:02)

• Luis focuses on electing Latino candidates in pivotal districts, working through Latino Victory and his family's involvement.
  • Quote: "Politics continues to be. It's part of my DNA... I'm concentrated on [flipping seats]." — Luis Miranda (66:12)
  • Lin-Manuel is selective in lending his activism: "But when it's something I agree with, like, these are districts that need to flip, I'm happy to help." (67:55)
• Both men find hope in cultural resilience, cross-Latino unity, and youth preserving tradition (e.g., through Varsity Mariachi).

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15. Personal Joys & Reflections (73:32–78:48)

• Family traditions: stories about shared moviegoing, favorite films, and cross-generational bonding through pop culture.
• Both Mirandas discuss their marriages, crediting their wives' differences as foundational to family balance and happiness.
• Pandemic memories—different family experiences, but underlying message of finding joy and connection in adversity.
  • Quote: "For some of us to go and others don't make no sense, we all just stayed home and had a great time and got dressed up." — Luis Miranda (62:10)

16. Father's Day Celebration (78:22–78:48)

• Plan to attend a live performance of the Encanto score with the New York Philharmonic as a multi-generational family celebration.
  • Quote: "So that was what I wanted for Father's Day, was I wanted us all to go watch Encanto with a big orchestra." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (78:33)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On modeling values: "Kids don't look at where you're pointing; they're looking at the person who's pointing." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (09:20)
• On family boundaries at work: "Let's find the lanes in which we work together best. And let's find the lanes where I just want you to be my dad." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (23:43)
• On resilience through creative legacy: "I'm at my happiest when I'm making something." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (65:19)
• On cultural activism: "We still choose joy. We still know our value, and we have each other's backs... I think there's a greater understanding that we're so much stronger together." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (68:02)
• On philanthropy: "Giving money by itself, it's 20% of the battle. The other 75 is really make life with the people that are making change." — Luis Miranda (15:23)
• On the immigrant/outsider ethos: "He reminded me of my father, first of all. ... It's a proto version of the immigrant story." — Lin-Manuel Miranda, on Hamilton (56:44)
• On living legacy: "My dad's favorite sentence is, okay, what else? It's a lyric in Hamilton." — Lin-Manuel Miranda (57:25)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• Name origin & family contract: 03:58–05:08
• Work ethic & artistic inheritance: 09:12–10:45
• Parenting/Grandparenting differences: 19:17–20:55
• Colorism controversy on In the Heights: 30:05–34:16
• Marc Anthony cameo story: 34:33–35:23
• Pulling Hamilton from Kennedy Center: 38:16–40:40
• Hurricane Maria relief & Bad Bunny advocacy: 43:16–50:12
• Hamilton as the immigrant story: 55:36–57:13
• Encanto, pandemic, and family: 59:05–60:33
• Joyful family traditions & film favorites: 73:39–75:57
• Father’s Day plans: 78:22–78:48

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Tone and Style

• Warm, boisterous, witty: The Mirandas riff affectionately, with warmth, brisk humor, and a lack of pretension.
• Emotionally candid: Vulnerability about family, identity, conflict, regret, and activism.
• Proudly Latino & generous: Celebrating culture while grappling honestly with both communal pride and internal critiques.

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Conclusion

This Father’s Day conversation radiates with love, complexity, and legacy—capturing what it means to parent, to build community, and to create change across generations. The Mirandas’ stories model both how Latino families power each other’s dreams and how public visibility and activism can serve the community. With Ana Navarro’s sharp yet affectionate interviewing, this episode is a masterclass in intergenerational joy, hustle, and the conscious building of legacy.

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

By the way, I have to ask you about this. I hope you guys are already rolling. Do you have a stylist?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

No, myself.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

This is all you.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

All me.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

All of your like peacock colored outfits, your gold lemay.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I wanted to make sure Mercado looks subdued.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I wanted to make sure that my shirt matched with my pin.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

All right, well, let's get started. So this is a. I'm thrilled to have you both here. I'm honored to have you in my life. You bring me so much joy. Not only your artistry, your activism, but your friendship. So I'm thrilled to have you here. And I had asked for this weeks ago because I wanted to have you here as a Father's Day treat. So Father's Day, this comes out on Monday. Father's Day is on Sunday. And every time I am with the two of you together, I can't stop laughing. I can't stop, like, looking at this relationship of yours. You are such yin and yang. I don't know a father and son who are as different and as alike as you both are. And you just, like. I mean, it's just you are. Sometimes I think he's the father and you're the son. I don't even know where to begin. So I want to start by asking you, because I love this story. How did you decide? How did he come up with the name Lin?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Lin Manuel? Not Lin.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I'm sorry.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Oh, shit.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I'm sorry.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

With iPhone. We thought this through. I read a poem when I was an adolescent. I met the author much later because he was a Professor Torres Santiago at Hunter. But I read it when I lived in Puerto Rico, and it was a father who was in Vietnam. And when his son was born, he figured a name that could be Latin and Vietnamese because it was the baby being born while he was fighting in Vietnam. And the Vietnam War was very impactful in my life. So I always said, when I have a boy, his name will be Lin Manuel. And it was part of the contract with my wife. If it was a girl, she will name the girl. If it was a boy, his name would be Lin Manuel.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

So much so that when I had a little success within the Heights, one day we're at the theater, and my dad comes rushing in at intermission and goes, my high school sweetheart is here at First Wife. And First Wife, who he was married to for.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Wait, are they different people or are they the same?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

No, no, the same person. Same person. And I got to meet her after the show, and she lives in Chicago. And she said, I saw the news about the Tony Awards, and I saw the name Linguanuel Miranda. And I go, oh, my God, that's Luis Mirandas. We have to go see the show.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Because you had told me, 13 years old, you had told your high school Sweetheart, this is. We have a son.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

This is the name. If we have a son, his name will be Lin Manuel.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

What was it like meeting your father's first wife?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And sweetheart, it was worth it for my mom folding her arms in the car. I'll be in the car. But she was very sweet.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

She was very sweet. She is.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And I had not seen, seen her for 50 years, so I didn't even know initially it was that.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It was that Latin thing of he heard someone say Luisito.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And if someone calls me from Luisito, it's from my town, it's from Alta.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

So he's a junior on the island.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And then I realize, oh, it's Brunilda. So. But that contract, only Manuel is so old.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

My God. So, okay, so let's talk about your relationship because you're both, I mean, you're both just.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Thank God we're sitting the same.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You're like forces of nature.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

No, not.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

What are you all doing?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I didn't realize I was sitting in the same position as him and I changed it.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

All right, so listen, I mean, Lynn, I don't need to introduce you unless somebody's been living under a rock. You know, you created and starred in Hamilton in the Heights. You've got Moana coming out at the end of the beginning of next month. Encanto. Oh, my favorite of all time. I mean, you've got me watching Disney again as a 54 year old menopausal woman without children. I take Cha Cha to the theater to have an excuse of why I'm watching Encanto for the fifth time. And you, you know, you also have so much artistry in you, but you're a philanthropist, an activist. I mean, you know, you're so politically impactful, you're so thoughtful. But to me it's just this father and son dynamic. So how do you. How did this happen?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

It just. I remember when the kids were little, we will hear parents talk about how the relationship. Because a lot of our friends are older than us. So the kids were older than Lucas, Italian Manuel and Ed, Miguel. And they were talked about how they will not talk to their son or their kids for months, that they will see each other. And Luz and I always talked about that is not going to happen with us. We're going to be involved in our kids life. We will meddle as often as they allow us to. And it's incredible. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't talk to my kids.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It helps.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Do you think that if you weren't Luis Miranda's son and Luz Miranda's son, you would have been a Broadway star and pursued that, right? Because I mean, like, I mean we, you know, we're Latinos. I mean, when your son comes over to you and says, hey dad, I want to write Broadway plays, I think a lot of Latino dads would be like, can't you be a lawyer?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Instead be like, ruin blades.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And that's what they said. But I think that not your mom,

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

your mom was always in your corner.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

But here's the thing. I think that it's all their fault. That's the other, like they couldn't be too mad because you can say, be a lawyer. But if you're blasting the Dirty Dancing soundtrack in the car at Todo wo looming and you're blasting Men of La Mancha and crying at the end of Camelot, like kids don't look at. It's just like dogs. Kids, kids don't look at where you're pointing. They're looking at the person who's pointing. And so they can point at law or point at medicine and be like, be a lawyer, be a doctor. But they're there and they've got a wall to wall vinyl collection that is Fania and Broadway cast albums made of. I was telling someone earlier, it was like the old, like you had NYU shelves. It was like bricks, those yellow bricks and wooden slats that held all the vinyl. And I saw, I grew up seeing how much music moved them. Yeah, my mother would listen to Les Miserables and she'd play Colm Wilkinson singing Bring him Home and cry on cue every time we'd listen to Dirty and listen to Dirty Dancing and he wouldn't let us get to the second song on the cassette in the car. It would be like, I've had the time of my life and play it again. He'd hyperpop fixate on these songs he loved. And so how do you not want to make the thing that moves your parents that much?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And so when you came and you told them what you wanted to do, when you told your father what you wanted to do, it wasn't even a

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

matter of telling them. It was a matter of just again, I'm the youngest, right? So I just did whatever I wanted. Like my sister would have these fights and again, there's just some baked in sexism there. But there's also just, I was the baby. I watched my sister be like, it's not fair, it's not right. And like fight for the right while I quietly did whatever ever I Wanted.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yeah, I. I always tell the story. We were sitting in the living room. I was talking to some friends, and my daughter goes by. Sita goes by, and I said, can you bring me a Coke? And she looks at me like, refrigerator is 100ft away. Get up and get your Coke. And walks away. Emmanuel comes by and says, papito, can you get me a Coke? He comes over, kisses me in the forehead, leaves, and never brings the Coke either. So the impact is very different. And he tells you each of them.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And how does. How has. How has having him as a father impacted the way you are as a father? Because you have two sons.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah, more every day. Honestly, I think that.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Please don't tell me you're turning into your father.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Oh, yes.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I went back into the position

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

in

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

a couple of ways. One, I think. I think the greatest legacy my parents gave me was just their incredible work ethic and legacy. Like, I cannot remember a time when either of my parents only had one job. You know, my mom was a psychologist, but she was also working at the Hispanic Women's center and working at Aspida and always doing whatever else she could for the community. My dad, same deal. Like, we would have Christmas, but then we would also do the Three Kings Day toy drive, where we're next to Polito Vega collecting toys for needy kids on January 5th, all night a la mega. And so it was always that work. Like, I'm the laziest member of my family, and I still get a lot done. And so, you know, I married a very ambitious woman who also is brilliant and works really hard. And so I hope our kids inherit that work ethic and the ethic to go after what it is you want.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

How is that, though? Because, I mean, so when you were growing up, you all, you know, didn't have money, you were working. You were working a bunch of jobs because you had to in order to put food on the table and pay your bills.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

College in the monthly plan where you will make 10 exact payments every month, and we will teach at night as adjunct professors, and that's the money we put away for each of the monthly payment we had to do with Sita and then with him.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And your kids are growing up with, you know, I mean, your kids are growing up with wealth and privilege. That was unimaginable to you as you were growing up. So how is it different raising kids like that? Or is it.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It's two things. One, the challenge is the same. Like, you want to raise empathetic kids who live in the world, and See that they are no better or worse than anybody else. And we teach that. I mean, I think something that helps is we're still in our neighborhood. We still live in Washington Heights. Their grandparents are very close. My in laws are very close. So they're growing up in family and they understand the importance of family and community and empathy. But the other ways in which wealth has changed is, is my father couldn't afford all this fancy clothes when I was a kid. Success has changed him way more than it's changed my outlook on my kids. This is a fancy man now and so that that is harder to navigate.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I have seen him in head to toe Gucci.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

No, no, this is, this is the, this is the one who success has changed. My kids are fine.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

But it's also enabled you to be philanthropic. It's enabled you to give money and have make a difference.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Only vice. I love clothes. I always did. I just couldn't afford it. And whenever my wife who bought everything at the Salvation army will see something that she knew I would like, we will buy it and then fit it for me because it was usually 40 and I needed 38 short.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Now you know the measurements.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

But at the end, what has been the best about having some financial independence? It's that we could help others. You know, we have a house where we have lived all of our lives and where we will die full of my wife's things, lots of things. And it allows us to be philanthropic in a way we couldn't. We always get involved right in community organizations. But now our philanthropy, we're involved and we could give money as well. I always believe that giving money by itself, it's 20% of the battle. The other 75 is really make life with the people that are making change.

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I'm heading straight to Dom Minnows.

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I have to ask you because you know I follow your father on Instagram, which is one of the joys in my life because one day he's giving Spanish lessons, another day he's giving dancing lessons, another day he's giving lessons on how to bake a cake. And then I see that there's weekends when he has your kids and I kind of feel like your kids going to your father and Mother's house is like going to camp, right? I mean, is there any discipline? How does he discipline your children differently than he disciplined you?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Well, he doesn't,

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

but that's not my job. My job is to deregulate them, and

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

then I'll send them back.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yeah.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Sebastian says to Frankie, hey, Lolo's house, no rules. Yeah, they're getting better about the bedtime thing. Because they would come to our house totally feral and having gone to bed way later than they've ever gone to bed in their lives. After eight and a half King a gremlin after midnight.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

The eyes going in every however, I will do. My house, my rules. So I don't like to take care of children. Never did with my daughter, who also has a thousand rules in her house. So they come to my house with their astrays. But if they tell me I have to do something with them, I will do something. Like this week, I needed to do math with Sebastian, and I will do that part, but it's because it's something that needs to happen. Otherwise they have so many rules. I hear the tools of them. Vanessa Al Emanuel.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I'm like, he literally forgot how he was as a parent. I had no rules. Que mutero. The other funny thing is that they will always come home with some new thing that is not quite child appropriate that they watched. So they'll come home and be like, daddy, we have to start watching the Daily show. Or daddy, Leila loves law and order. SVU. We were watching SVU.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I was five years old.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I went to bed, like, watching NYPD Blue and Hill Street Blues and whatever was the NBC 10pm thing.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

At what age?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

At whatever age. I had a TV in my room. TV was the third parent in my house. Cause they worked. So I was home with the tv.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And so you just talked about having friends who had estrangements with their children, who didn't speak to their children for weeks or months.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

More than estrangement with the relationship was weird in my head. You know, my parents were in Puerto Rico. There was no FaceTime. And I talked to my mother and my dad all the time that I would call.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah, I will tell you, another big change was when his mother passed away. When my grandmother Eba passed away, she was the Radio Bemba la prince. Like, she was the presenta in chief. And she would call everyone. And she connected New York family to Puerto Rico. Say, your brother's doing this, your sister's doing this. No se que ta pasando concita. And she was the one and so when she passed away, he was like, I'm the bochiche in chief.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Yeah.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It falls to me to keep us connected to the island and keep us connected to our family.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And my wife and I tell each other because my wife, it's not that way. You know, half of the stuff that Luz learns about what's happening, she learns from me.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I have a feeling it's more than half, but go ahead.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And I talked all the time. Cuando yo me muera who has this role. Somebody has to be connector of family members and feel comfortable when they push you away and you just push back or try to figure out a way to get in and feel comfortable.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Do you still meddle in your kid's life?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

All the time.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I will say, though, I'm about to pay you compliments, so relax your shoulders.

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I figured we had a real conversation, like, a year and a half ago, two years ago, of like, because we work together, right?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You know, he works together, which is strange, too.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And we had a real, like, let's find the lanes in which we work together best. And let's find the lanes where I just want you to be my dad and I don't want to talk about work. And it was a really great and productive conversation because he's very good at what he does. Like, if you were to distill, Luis Miranda's superpower is he will see any situation and find the most efficient way to do it. To his great concern, he sees a line that he's not in charge of. He goes, why are they running the line this way? And he will try to change the line. It's like, you're invited to this event.

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But it is his superpower, and that is immensely helpful for me, who has a lot going on, and we find the best and most efficient ways to do it.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And I was thinking about you guys knowing that we were gonna have this interview. I was thinking about you guys regarding the Brunsons, right, The Knicks, who just won the championship, and he's the coach and the father, and there was that moment where they hugged. So, like, I don't know what. How did you feel when Lin, you know, gets nominated? When Lin wins? Tony's. When Lin wins. Like, what was the feeling, the vicarious feeling for you?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

For me, it's always, we did something right, and he's on the right path. I never think that. It's just enough. It's not enough to have one Tony. You should have 10.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

So how many do you have, Lynn?

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[Luis Miranda (Father)]

So he has six to go.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

But that's such an immigrant parrot.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I'm very competitive, and I always believe that you try them to have the next goal, because goals center you and makes you continue to work hard. And so, you know, looking forward to warriors, to his next musical, because, again, I think it's another piece of art that it's gonna revolutionize theater. And I always want my kids to do that, to sort of reinvent themselves. I have reinvented myself so many times because it's fun, because it maintains you alive.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You just called him an immigrant parent. But you're Puerto Rican.

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So you are U.S. citizens. You were born, you know, as a Puerto Rican, you're born. Much to the chagrin of many people.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yes. Who don't, by the way, these days. I think that if they exchange us with Greenland, I'm fine with being Dutch citizen,

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

but it's very cold there. But so, okay, so you're Puerto Rican. Such a huge part of your identity. It comes through in so much of your work. But you're, you know, you're also immigrant. So there's this dichotomy. Right. Because, like, I'm constantly telling people, Puerto Ricans are US Citizens, Puerto Ricans. But Puerto Ricans are also immigrants to this country. How do you explain that?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Listen, two weeks into being in New York, you know, when I came to New York, I couldn't afford phone all the time, so I literally wrote letters to. To my family in Puerto Rico, and I was sending a package to my parents, and I went to the post office. I lived in Chelsea with my aunt. And the guy says, oh, Miranda. Oh, Miranda. And then I speak, he hears my accent, and he says, oh, but I'm not a Miranda of your kind. So our experience doesn't matter. That's why the whole thing, papers or no papers, is such a ridiculous argument, because the experience is the same experience, even if your papers are in order.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And Lynn, you. You know, I guess your first big hit was in the Heights. Sure. Which you wrote when you were how old?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I started when I was 19.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I hate that you're such a late bloomer.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And I. Well, I figured it out eventually and finished with Kiara when I was 28.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And so. And it's. I mean, the storyline of in the Heights is Dominican parents without papers and what they're going through and the immigrant experience and all of that. So what? But in the Heights is the story of your neighborhood.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah. And it's a love letter to that neighborhood. And it's a love letter to you know, I always said I wanted it to sound like you're walking 10 blocks through Washington Heights. You're walking from 175th to 185th. What are the different kinds of music you hear? And those are the kinds of music I wrote for the score. But also, it's a love letter to the musicals I love about community. And, you know, people always compare it to west side Story, which is so silly. Its ancestors, really. Fiddler on the Roof. And Fiddler on the Roof is a musical about a town where nothing has changed for centuries and tradition is changing. And I always thought of in the Heights as like, a spiritual sequel to Fiddler on the Roof. Okay, so you left Anatevka. You came here to this neighborhood. I live in a neighborhood that has always been an immigrant neighborhood. Even before it was a Latino neighborhood, it was an Irish and Polish and Jewish neighborhood. And I remember seeing those signs change as I was growing up, seeing the last of the Irish pubs leaving Inwood in Washington Heights as I was growing up. And so our word was not tradition, but home. How do you define home if your parents idealize a place you've never been to? How do you think of home when you know it's here? But it's complicated to be here. And so it really was sort of grappling with all of those things. I'm in awe of the immigrant experience. I think it's what makes our country great.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And, Lynn, when you. You turned in the Heights into a movie, you know, something happened that I tell you, broke. Still to this day, I can barely talk about it because it's just. It infuriates me, and it breaks my heart. And it's that you got cannibalized by our own community, the Latino community attacking you for what? Colorism? What did they say? That the. The people that you had cast were not dark enough, were not Latino enough. And to me, I really took offense to that personally, because you are the guy who cast black and brown people as the founding fathers in Hamilton. Nobody has done what Lin Manuel Miranda has done to open up Broadway and the arts to people who look like me, who look like you, who look like your father, who, you know. And then for you, for this love project. Project of love of yours in the Heights, to be lambasted by our own people, where they're, like, making, you know, Rita Moreno apologize on a late night show for standing up for it.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Five seconds.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I know, but. No, but you know what? I disagree with you because I think it has cost the Latino community particularly in the arts, longstanding harm. Because people are afraid that it won't meet the expectations. Because people are afraid that if you cast Javier Bardem as Desi Arnaz, there's gonna be backlash because he's not Cuban, by the way. Desi Arnaz came from Spain, so there shouldn't a problem. But there was a problem. Nicole Kidman got cast as Lucy. She's Australian or wherever the hell she's from. And nobody said anything about that. So I don't know that it was five seconds. Because I. I talk to people in the Hollywood industry, white people in the Hollywood industry who have all the money, who, you know, make a bunch of decisions, who are wary of making Latino films for fear that they will somehow step on cultural landmarks.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

My sense is that even if they do, they should continue to do it. Let me tell you what I have learned with 48 years of marriage. You apologize. You apologize as often as you have to, because at the end of the day, and I remember when it started, it is the eye of the beholder. If you think I'm not dark enough, I can't change the way you feel. So let's move on. You feel that way. I'm sorry that you don't think it's dark enough. Now let's go and enjoy this. So that's how I have gone through life.

[Enrique Santos (Podcast Host)]

It's.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

What is it that you think, oh, okay, I can. Let me tell you what I had in my mind. We may disagree, and I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Oh, I'm even more Zen than that. I mean, for me, the art. What I love about film was it's forever. It's a Wonderful Life was a poorly reviewed, poorly seen movie, is now one of. Considered one of the greatest movies of all time. Like its initial birth into the world is the rough draft of how it will be seen by the world. I'm so proud of that movie. I was so proud to film that movie in Washington Heights with so many of our own all over the movie, like so many neighborhood residents in the movie, casting from the neighborhood. And it's gonna be a lot longer than the moment it was born in, which is, you know, a moment where colorism was what we were talking about. So, of course, this giant Hollywood movie, you know, is going to be the face of that conversation. And that's okay. It's good that we have a conversation about colorism. But the movie itself outlives the conversation. It lives on its own terms over the course of many years.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Okay, so it's Time for me to let go of my grudge.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yes, you should.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You think I've held it long enough?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Let go of your grudge. People love that movie.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And think about the people in that movie are doing now amazing things.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Well, one of the people in that movie who was. Who had a teeny little cameo, but, my God, this story. And I think I said to him, I think you made the movie was Marc Anthony, our Joan Frank. Marc Anthony. Okay, but tell the story. Cause Mark says to me, you can't believe what happened to me.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It's a very funny story.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Okay, you tell it.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Am I talking out of school to tell the story?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

No, no, no, no.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Go ahead, Mark, you know, Tiene mil ta tuaji. So Mark shows up, and the character Mark plays is Sunny's father, who is really, you know, has an alcohol problem, is not really the most upstanding present dad. So he's supposed to look kind of drugged out and drunk in the one scene he has. And so Mark Anthony goes to the makeup folks and goes, all right, what do I need to do? And the lady looks at him and goes, you're good. And he thought that was so funny. He was like, oh, all right. Like, I'm good.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

He's like. I said what? He says. He told me the story. He said, okay, wardrobe. What do I need to change? Nope, nothing. Makeup. What?

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Yeah, he thinks it's hilarious. You know, he's performing. He's performing at the ceremony for the Obama center, and I was so happy about that.

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

So let's talk about Hamilton.

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And I want to ask you a few things on Hamilton first. You were one of the first productions to pull out of the Kennedy center when the whole thing happened.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Right.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And I don't know what cost they had. I don't know how much you thought about. Tell me that story.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It was a very simple decision with a very interesting domino effect. You know the first thing that happened? One, the Kennedy center has been a nonpartisan theater and institution forever. Truly. Like, you know, Stephen Sondheim got his Kennedy center honor under the Bush administration. Like it's not about politics, it's about recognizing excellence in the arts. You know, Lo Quesea, our current president, strips the board of its bipartisan members and installs all his guys who know nothing about the arts and installs a guy who knows even less to be in charge of it as the chair. As the chair. And Jeffrey Seller looks at our tour schedule and goes, oh, in the Heights is supposed to. In the Heights. Hamilton is supposed to play there in a year and a half. And he calls me and Tommy Kail and Luis Miranda and says, we Have a problem. This thing just happened and Hamilton's supposed to play there next year. And we go, have they signed the contract?

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah, we're not doing that. It was literally a 10 second conversation. If there's no contract, we're not doing that.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

But then you got a lot of backlash when you. Or you got a lot of positive feedback and backlash when you announced that you wanted.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

This is not the Kennedy Center. That has been a nonpartisan bastion of the arts for as long as it's existed. He stripped it and he's changed it, and we're just not gonna be a part of it. And we also knew it was gonna fall on the 250th anniversary when we were supposed to be there. And we're not gon to have our show next to what it's going to be. You go from the cage match outside the White House to go see how old it's happening.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

It's happening.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

So it was a very simple moral decision from our end and simple legal decision because we hadn't signed a contract yet. And then the dominoes fall where they fall. But I sleep fine at night.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Have you ever had second thoughts or. I'm sure you have had people tell you not to be politically active, not to take the positions that you do, not to go out and defend the community the way you do. Because we all know. I know you know that it has costs.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Sure.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

So have you have those come. Have you have your managers and your PR people and your, you know.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

No, our managers and PR people know who we are. We are who we are. But, you know, it's. It's. Sometimes those moments are thrust upon you, you know? Eleven days after the election of 2016, the then Vice President elect Mike Pence came to Hamilton.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Oh, God, yes.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And they called us and they said, he's coming. And I think Jeffrey was like, we want to make a speech before the show starts about, listen, you ran on division, and we hope you represent all of us. That simple. Just like, congratulations, we hope you represent all of us. And we said, don't do that speech before the show. If we believe in our show and the way it upholds American values as we see them, then allow the show to do its work and you can make the speech after. And we, you know, we did our show, we did our little speech, which basically boiled down to represent all of us. And Trump mischaracterized what happened in that theater and lied in four tweets where he said the cast of Hamilton booed and attacked Vice President Elect Pence, which didn't happen. It's a fiction, because this president runs on fiction. And that became the first sort of volley in this culture war. But also, we realized we were the first play in a playbook that he runs, which is. Let me go right to the cultural moment, right? Let me show up and say, they attacked us. You know, he did it again later with. When people started kneeling in protest at the NFL. Send Mike Pence to the game. Mike didn't even stay for the game. They send him to a game, they say he gets booed, and they go, we were attacked. It's this. Throw a rock and then say, we were attacked. So we found ourselves in these cultural moments. But again, like, we respect anyone who comes to Sarah.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And when you talk about cultural moments that are thrust on you, I can't think of one that was more poignant than Maria. Hurricane Maria, where the Mirandas had to step up and had to respond and had to be part of helping.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I mean, you want to talk about Father's Day? All hands on deck. That really became, everyone, do what you are best suited to do. As the hurricane was making landfall, I started writing a song. I was like, this is going to be really bad. We're going to need to raise money. And all I could think to do was let me write a song.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

You're on vacation with your father.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I was on vacation. I was not in the United States. And I literally holed up in the bathroom. My wife and kid were sleeping, and I wrote almost like praying. And the lyric was just, every pueblo in Puerto Rico as like a prayer. As like a prayer to protect them. And then as we realized how bad it was, it was like, all right, let me get my Rolodex and call all the Latinos who are here on the island. We flew to la, we flew to Miami. It happened within a week. Luis is the founder of the Hispanic Federation. They were the first ones to make landfall from New York with relief and supplies. And we basically, for the better part of a year, put our lives on hold just to jump up and down and raise money and get aid and supplies to Puerto Rico.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And for us, it was also. All of my life, I have been pro independence in Puerto Rico. I always believe people have to take care of themselves. And this is the first time, because remember, this is way before Bad Bunny, way before Bad Bunny, where people in Puerto Rico realize, oh, shit, help is not coming help. It's coming from our brothers and sisters in the United States and ourselves. So we better get ready. And we Better begin to help ourselves. I remember meeting with Bill de Blasio, who was the mayor then, and said, we need stuff. I said, I'll open all the fire departments throughout the buildings throughout for people to take stuff. And then we figure out that's too cumbersome to take all of that in Puerto Rico. And then we went and talked to stores. Well, we have stuff in Puerto Rico. We'll sell it cheaper, but we need to. So we changed strategies, but it was something that we did very deliberate and very thinking surgically. Yeah, what is that we need to do?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

But, Luis, help would have come the same way that it went to Texas that was also affected by a hurricane that year, the same way that it went to Florida. I mean, except that, you know, it was Trump who showed up and threw paper towels.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Correct.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And there's, you know, so, I mean, that kind of inequality. And, you know, you just brought up Bad Bunny. And I don't know if I've told you guys this story. I might have told you, but told you, Luis. But, you know, I had a very close friend, Christy Hauberger, you know, her, who was working in the Kamala campaign. And she was. One of her roles was Latino surrogacy and Latino celebrities and getting us all together and getting us out there. And they contact Bad Bunny and his team, and he says, no, we're not getting involved. We're not getting involved. We got involved for years. You know, we got involved with Biden, and we didn't get what we wanted. He didn't do anything that we wanted for Puerto Rico. We're not getting involved. We're not. We're sitting this out. And they stay on him, and they stay on him, and they stay on him. And his team says, okay, tell you what. Here's what Bad Bunny wants. Here's the list of things involving the Jones act, involving equality, involving the electric grid. They put up an entire list of a Puerto Rico agenda, and they said, until and unless Kamala Harris commits to this Puerto Rico agenda, you know, we don't do it. So they talked to her. They went through the entire thing, and she committed to that Puerto Rican agenda, and Bad Bunny came out and endorsed her. And the coincidence was that all of this happened the day after the Trump rally in Madison Square Garden, where that comedian called Puerto Rico a floating island of trash. So people thought Bad Bunny was reacting to that horrible, horrible slur against Puerto Rico. He wasn't. Yeah, he'd been working on a serious Puerto Rican agenda. And, you know, that impressed me so much. Because so many celebrities, what they're like, okay, we want to get invited to the White House Christmas party. We want to be invited to a state dinner. We want to, you know, we want our nanny to be able to get a visa at the embassy. And, you know, in Managua, whatever. Bad Bunny like you, the Mirandas, you lead with a specific agenda. And this is not about you, the people. It's not about you, the celebrity. It's about. This is our community. This is our agenda. This is what we want. And I've been so impressed by Bad Bunny in the same way that I'm impressed by you in that regard.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Well, that halftime show was like all of it, right? They were trying so hard to paint him as this divisive, evil man. And then he hosts a wedding, he throws an actual wedding on the field. He shows and the specificity and love with which he paints our community, which comes from an honest, authentic place. Like, my favorite part was the little boy asleep on two plastic chairs. Cause we've all been that kid at the grown up party. And so, you know, it has been beautiful to watch. You know, the world's biggest global artist who grew up in Puerto Rico and represents it beautifully and speak so eloquently as to what it has and what it.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

He's from the town next to you guys, right? You're from Vegalta and he's from Vega Baja.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

He is from Vega Baja. Yeah, he is. But, you know, when. When we did Maria, we debated a little bit, do we work with central government? And we said, you know what, let's continue with this theme of the song where you have all towns at the song, it's about all the towns. So we literally started working with organizations and mayors in all of this town

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

because they knew what their communities needed.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

We figured a top down approach, and believe me, it proved us right. When then bad things started happening, when they kept seeing things that were not coming from towns. But we decided it will be more work. It's much more difficult to work with a whole bunch of mayors and organizations that with one central government. But at the end, it paid off.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

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[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And made it about the music.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yeah.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And he also, by the way, said paramedica. And he named all the Americas.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

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[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Latin America.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Canada has never been so happy to be part of a clique. They were like Canada

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Guiana.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I mean, it was.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It was really. It was such a. A generous super bowl and really founded in love. We were very, very proud to be Puerto Rican that day with him representing.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And you went. You actually. You did. You went to the concert, the residency he did in Puerto Rico.

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[Luis Miranda (Father)]

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

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[Luis Miranda (Father)]

We did.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Did you go together at L. Manuel Liu.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Manuel was a family.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Limanuel was at the casita.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

With his wife.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Oh, I love that.

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

That was a Broadway musical, that show. It was like a Broadway musical about Puerto Rico. Piesla Montana, pelmina con salsa in the middle of la casita. It's a show.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

What we did, we brought a whole bunch of philanthropists, heads of foundations, to see the show so that they will continue to be involved with organizations in Puerto Rico.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I tell you, there is something that I regret is having missed it. I was out of the country, and I wasn't able to get to Puerto Rico because, I mean, still to this day, when I'm having a bad day, I play on a loop. The moment that Marc Anthony came out and sang Preciosa with Bad Bunny, that just. I mean, I play it on a loop like if it was porn, over and over and over again. I want to watch this moment.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

It was a beautiful generational moment.

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I want to talk. Go back to Hamilton because it's the 250th anniversary. You just made reference to that. If you, you know, you would have been at the Kennedy center on the 250th this year. What do you think, Hamilton? What do you think the founding fathers would think of the moment we're living through?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I don't know.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I don't know. I mean, I have my fictional rapping version of them, which is very different from who they probably were. You know, I think for what interested me about that story, as someone who was not an American history buff growing up. Like I wrote a paper on Hamilton in high school. That's how I knew enough about him to want to read that Ron Chernow's amazing biography. And then I started reading the book and was like, this is just an amazing story, history aside. But I think one of the things that attracted me to that story was that Hamilton was the outsider among the founders. He was not born to Virginian farm stock. He did not come over on the Mayflower. He was born under really difficult circumstances in Nevis, then moved to St. Croix and got here on the strength of his intellect. He wrote a poem about a hurricane that destroyed the Caribbean. And on the strength of his writing, got a scholarship to New York. Like Ektayaki. Same deal. So he reminded me of my father, first of all. He also reminded me of my father and his inability to be content accomplishing one thing. He was always sort of like, what's next? What's next? I always tell people when I play Hamilton, I'm laid back, I'm easy breezy. When I'm playing Hamilton, I'm playing Luis Miranda, because to me, it is the story. It's a proto version of the immigrant story. We come from somewhere else. We help build this nation, but we are always viewed with suspicion because we weren't born here.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I had never heard that. Did you know that you had inspired the way he plays Hamilton?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

No, Hamilton did. But, yes, I had heard him talk about that.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

My dad's favorite sentence is, okay, what else? It's a lyric in Hamilton. He's like, okay, we did that. What else?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Okay, so what else, guys? So what? I know Moana's about to come out. So what else?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Moana's an octet.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Tell me about Octet and Moana.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Sure. Well, Moana, I mean, I've just breathed a huge sigh of relief the moment they said Tommy Kail is directing Moana. Because Tommy Kail first took a chance on me in the basement of the drama bookshop. Directed in the Heights, directed Hamilton. He's my. I probably talk to him more than anyone in my life.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You talk to him more than you talk to your father?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I talk to him every morning. He has an innate ability to call me right when I'm taking a shower. I mean, I bring him in, I'm like, what's going on? And so, yeah, I FaceTime with Tommy Kail every morning, whether we're working together or not.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And so the fact that he was gonna be in charge of the movie made me breathe easy. And it was a joy, like getting to go to Hawaii with my family to watch him finish production and film the movie writing a new song for not only our current, our live action Moana, Katie, but our og, Moana Auli, who's become such an incredible singer and actress. She was a literal kid when we met her on this movie all those years ago, and now she's just an outstanding performer and human in her own right. So writing a duet between them was really fun, and the movie's great.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Lynn, I have to ask you, because this mo. This song, I just couldn't get rid of this song for this is another thing that I played on a loop when I was having a bad day. We can't talk. We don't talk about Bruno.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

How did you. I mean, is that somehow inspired by. Cause there's nothing. I feel like there's nothing in your family that you don't talk about, or is there something. Is there a Bruno in your family?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Well, it's funny, I really. I think of Encanto as my lockdown musical. You know, most of it was written in 2020, and in 2020, we took on my. My brother in law, my wife's brother, who was living in downtown Manhattan, which was a scary place to live during COVID So he came up to live with us and the oldest members of our family, which are my wife's parents. So my in laws are living with me, my brother in law is living with me. It is not an accident. We get from there to we don't talk about Bruno because the subtext of it is, what are we allowed to talk about in front of your mother?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Right.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And it's about a family all cooped up together. And, you know, the joy of writing Encanto really was throwing all of our family stories in the pot. But like, at the inside, each song is a kernel of truth. You know, there are the stories that you can tell with your brother and sister that you don't say in front of your parents.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Right.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Surface pressure, which is Luisa's song at the bottom of that song is, how do I keep my family safe? And who am I if I can't keep my family safe?

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Oh, wow.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

In the midst of this global pandemic. So all of those fears and all of those concerns are in the DNA of that music written at that moment.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And is that the one that you get Oscar nominated for? You're all dressed up and ready to go in la, and one of you gets Covid.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Vani got Covid.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Oh, Vane got Covid. But you weren't.

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We all watched it at the home we rented in la. And wait, here's the.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

But you were, like, in full gold LA maneuver.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Because we continued to. We dressed.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

We got dressed in our house to take pictures. To take pictures. But then, I mean, smash cut 2, we're watching the Oscars. Will Smith slaps Chris Rock, walks back to his seat, which I know is like three feet from where I was supposed to sit. And I remember saying, everybody say, thank you, Vanessa. Thank you, Vanessa. Cause I would have been a meme. I would have been a forever meme like this had I been at the ceremony that night. At the weirdest.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

When you watched that happen, did you think it was part of an act, or did you think this is actually happening?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I like everyone else. I was in disbelief like everybody else.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And we knew the director of the show. I am texting him and his wife Was that part of the show. And his wife text back right away.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

That was.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

No.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

So I would. I mean, never good to be grateful for Covid, but I was grateful Vanessa got us out of the Oscars that Sunday.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yeah. And none of us. We all decided that, you know, we. We've been big proponents of what do you do to get safe from COVID So for some of us to go and others don't make no sense, we

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

all just stayed home and had a

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

great time and got dressed up. No, no, no.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I've heard. I saw the pictures. You were far more dressy than he was.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

He didn't wore shoes.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

What do you mean?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

He had the tux. But he decided there's no one more

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Chronically Online than we made out. He's like a teenage girl in the picture we took together. Why would I put on my shirt? The shoes are the most uncomfortable part. So I was barefoot in the ngava.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Now picture we took, and he couldn't deal with it.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Okay, Chronically Online, let's talk about Octet.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Sure. Octet is a brilliant musical I saw off Broadway in 2019 by my friend Dave Malloy, and it's about a recovery group for Internet addicts, and each one sort of comes by their addiction differently. One is addicted to online gaming. One cannot stop with dating apps. There's a woman in the show who says, you all recognize me from my white woman goes crazy video. So she's like a canceled Karen who's had an incident, a rage incident, and has become a living meme, but she can't stop reading negative things about herself. And I just think it's one of the most brilliant musicals I've ever seen. And so. And so incredibly timely and so by the way, timely in 2019 and even more timely now. And so, you know, I just. I couldn't stop thinking about it. I think you can only chase the ideas that don't leave you alone. And so I contacted Dave and said I would love to adapt this musical into a film. And so we shot. I just finished production last week. We filmed it locally. We filmed it upstate in Yonkers, and not Upstate. Upstaters will get mad at me if I say that. We filmed it up the road in Yonkers and just had the most killer cast of musical theater Avengers possible. Amanda Seyfried, Rachel Zegler, from my crew, Pippa sue and Jonathan Groff. The brilliant Tramell Tillman, who, you know, from Severance Gate. Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Just Cheryl Lee Ralph. Sherylee Ralph, one of the original dream girls.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I ran into her at the up fronts. She was so excited about it and telling me just how much fun she was.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Having a great time. It was a dream. Dream project.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Is it my wife, when Once went to.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

What? He doesn't like to give proper nouns in his stories.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

She went to Octet once. She actually went twice. But the first time, she just.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

To the Broadway show?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

No.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Oh. To the filming.

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[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And Manuel sat her at a chair while they were changing cameras and lights so that there was a body.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah, I made her a stand up. I was like, if you're gonna be on your phone, sit here and we'll light. We'll light you.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And Luz comes back home, and she says, he was like, in a play day. It's like for all of this day, he goes to a play day every single.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Well, I'm at my happiest when I'm making something. So, you know, directing is just the absolute joy of joy. This is what I wanted to do

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

first to make room. Okay, so you've wrapped up Moana, you've wrapped up Octet. What's next?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Well, you know, hopefully Warriors. So I've been working on warriors with Issa Davis for the past couple years, and we're working on bringing that to. On bringing that to New York.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You know what I'm excited about is Buena Vista Social Club, that you're both producers in the Broadway show that won. Tony's coming to Miami. It's going on the road finally. Are you guys gonna come down to Miami for the.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I don't know if. To the opening, but it's gonna be. I know that I am gonna go.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

It's gonna be extraordinary. Yeah, I mean, I think I'M gonna go watch it every night that I'm in Miami because I love that show so much. And what's next for you, Luis?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

For me, I want to begin to help Emmanuel in whichever way I can. I sold my companies right where I spent a lot of time on lobbying and politics. Politics continues to be. It's part of my DNA. But this year, for example, we're concentrating on five Latinos who will flip. Horrible Republicans or who are they? We have a candidate in Colorado, one in South California, one in Arizona, one in Omaha, Nebraska, and one in New Jersey. So far, four have won their primaries. Because what happened with Latinos is the party doesn't pick us to be the candidate. We have to fight it out in the primary, and then we face the incumbent. And I'm concentrated on.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And when you say we, you're talking about the organization that you founded, Latino Victory.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

We're doing it through Latino Victory. But it's really. I have now corralled all of my family to do this.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Well, haven't you been doing that your entire life? Corralling your entire life?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I'm still at the toy drive with Polito.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yes, yes, yes. In fact, you know, for the primary, we brought the candidates to New York and did a fundraiser. And Divided.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And Emmanuel did a video for each of the candidates. Yeah.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And we continue to them.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I say no all the time.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

No to him.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Oh, yeah. I say no to him all the time.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

All the time.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

But when it's something I agree with, like, these are districts that need to flip, I'm happy to help.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

What's giving you hope?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

What's giving me hope is that we've never been in a more divided time. And we had the Benito Bowl. Do you know what I mean? Like, we're still here. We still choose joy. We still know our value, and we have each other's backs. And I think more and more across our divisions, Latino, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican. I think there's a greater understanding that we're so much stronger together. So much of In Heights is about that. It's about what we share. It's not actually about the differences that divide us.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And for me, you know, Buena Vista is an example of how a culture can thrive on Broadway. When I got the treatment for going varsity in Mariachi.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Oh, I love that movie.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Again, in my head, it's like, this needs to exist, because in my head, Texas, it's the place where you have a horrible governor who tries to do horrible things for Latinos, and there is all of these mariachi kids. Keeping Mexican culture alive. So in my head, I want to do more of that.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

We just saw where some of these mariachi kids were detained by ice. But I can't believe that I didn't know about that movie. And then all of a sudden, I got on American Airlines, and there's this movie called Varsity Mariachi. And I'm like, I need to. Okay, let me watch this. And then I see. Produced by Luis Miranda. It is the most beautiful, wonderful movie. I hope you do more of that, because the world needs to see more of that. I'm gonna let you guys go. Cause I know, you know, I can talk to you the rest of the day. And I know Lin Manuel has a press tour that he's on.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

When does. So moana comes out? July 10th.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

July 10th.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And octet.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I don't know. I just finished wrapping it, so I gotta go edit it. And we'll probably take it to festivals.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And how long is that process?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I don't know. I mean, honestly, I'll be done editing it by the end of the year, and then we'll submit it to festivals. But we really, like, financed it ourselves and just it needed to exist, so we made it.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And remember, he did this in between gigs, right? He knew that he had three months, so he said, okay, so now we have to go and raise the money and make sure it happens when he is between kids.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Do you guys ever turn off?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

All the time.

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

I want to end with this story because it was fantastic. You were just telling me about how you took him to see he man.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Sure, he took me to see Dolph Lundgren in 1989. It was 1987 at the now no longer existing Coliseum on 181st Street.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

And I took you to see he man live at Radio City Music hall.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

When I was younger than that. So I took him to see the new he man movie last weekend.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And what happened?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I scream.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

He screams. He's like.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I scream all the time.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I love taking him to action movies because he cannot. When I was a kid, he would take me to Vendam and Seagal. And anytime they bend someone's arm at you, they go, who is that loud lady in the audience? It's Luis Miranda. But it's so entertaining to watch him scream. So he man just.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

You also talk about though, like watching him watch his favorite thing musical that he's watched a hundred times.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

The greatest show on earth. The greatest showman.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Greatest showman. Yeah, that's his. That's his favorite movie.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Listen, I.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Wait, that's your favorite movie? I thought it was the Sound of Music.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

No, my favorite movie. It's the Unsinkable Molly Brown.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I thought we'd go an hour before without talking about Unsinkable Molly Brown. But here we are. If you want to understand my father, go watch Debbie Reynolds and the Unsinkable Molly Brown. It is about a girl in a small town who wants to get out. And that's Luis Miranda in Vega Alta, Puerto Rico.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Just.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I'm in a small town, but I dream big. I want to go to New York and have air conditioning and a big brass bed.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

In fact, I just went campaigning for our candidate in Denver, Colorado, and the Malibra Museum was closed. But I went and took a picture in front of.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And what's your favorite movie?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

My favorite movie. I'm a nerd, so I'm a film nerd. So my favorite movie, Seven Samurai, which I showed my kids this year for my birthday, they said, what do you want to do for your birthday? And I had a 12 movie marathon, and we watched some kids movies. We watched Mulan, we watched Ghostbusters.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

But I was like, vanessa lets you show your kids.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I said, kids, this movie is three and a half hours long. It's in black and white, and it's in Japanese, but it is the best movie ever made. And I'm telling you, they loved it.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

They loved it.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

They loved it because it's a great movie. And now they're both old enough to read subtitles, so they loved it.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Do people know you're married to this brilliant engineer?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Everyone who knows us does. I mean, when I won the MacArthur Genius Award, every call I got from people who know us were like, it said Vanessa's name on there, right? Like, surely there's been a clerical error. But yes, my wife is the smartest person I know. MIT grad. She's now an attorney.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

And I've heard you say that about your wife.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Yes. Luz is. She's also the opposite of me, you know, Luz is very chill and the most chill person I know. And quite frankly, it's the only way our marriage can work.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Cause you're a lunatic.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Because I could be.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Because you're a lunatic.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Yes.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

I could understand. I could be a bit much. So I need someone who's chill.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

And I will say I think the best model they showed in terms of their marriage and how you grow up and what you look for when you're looking for a partner is they had very different lives, and they're very happy to see each other at the end. End of the day. And I think that's. That was an amazing thing to model. My wife has a very different job with very different responsibilities than I do. But we're very happy to see each other at the end of the day.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

The pandemic. The only good thing of the pandemic. I remember telling loose because for three months we were by ourselves, right? Facetiming people. I said, you know what?

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

I really love you. The pandemic was a marriage test for a lot.

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[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Yes. Yes, it was.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

For us. The test was not our marriage. That was fine. It was kindergarten. Zoom. Because my son was in kindergarten. And it was like, you're putting kids who can't read in front of a screen all day, and they're expected to click the button to go into the next Zoom room. So we would have a glass of wine ready for whoever was overseeing kindergarten Zoom that day.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

My husband says it was his favorite time ever, the pandemic. Because I was, you know, locked up in the house, not traveling, cooking, making food, Instagram, and I'm like, did we go through the same pandemic? Because they were the two most miserable years of my life. That's very tough. But anyways, I wish you guys the best Father's Day. How are you all celebrating?

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

We are, believe it or not, seeing Encanto. The Philharmonic.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Yeah. Encanto's playing New York. Phil is playing the score of Encanto.

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[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

So that was what I wanted for Father's Day, was I wanted us all to go watch Encanto with a big orchestra.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

How long is that going on? I gotta go see it.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Just this weekend.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

Oh, man. Wow. That's terrific. I love you both. Thank you for spending this time. Thank you for having me. You all, you're my people.

[Lin-Manuel Miranda (Son)]

Thanks.

[Luis Miranda (Father)]

Thank you.

[Interviewer (Ana Navarro)]

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