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Hey everyone. Welcome to bleep. I'm Anna Navarro. Thanks for being here. We've got such a great show planned for you today. We have Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal. She's here to break down the SAVE act and other complicated things going on in Congress. We're also covering and we're going to talk about what's the revelations about Cesar Chavez. Very hard to talk about, but we are going to do it. But first, I want to start with Trump's comments about Governor Gavin Newsom's dyslexia. Yet another shameful thing that Trump has done. Yet another instance where Trump has shown us the bully that he is. So last week, Trump mocked Governor Gavin Newsom for his learning disability and an appearance at the White House. Governor Newsom just wrote a book. It's called Young man in a Hurry. I went to Miami and saw him speak about it and in it he speaks openly and he discusses his dyslexia, his learning disability. And what did Trump do? This is his quote. We have a low IQ person, you know, because Gavin Newscomb has admitted that he is a, that he has learning disabilities. Honestly, I'm all for people with learning disabilities, but not for my president. I don't want. I think the president should not have learning disabilities. Okay? And I know it's highly controversial to say such a horrible thing. So just let's start with that last line. He knows that what he is saying is horrible. He knows that he is president of the United States where there are so many people with learning disabilities and he doesn't care. He says it anyways because he has no impulse control. He has verbal diarrhea. Is that a learning disability? No, that is something that he chooses to do on a daily basis and hurt everyday Americans. So let's go through some of the statistics. Dyslexia impacts 15% of the US population. Over 20% of the US population, that's roughly one in every five people is affected by a learning disability. There's so many famous people who've achieved so much success because they've overcome a learning disability. They've had to do it some other ways. I know people in my life. One of them is Whoopi Goldberg. She is an egot, something Trump will never be, somebody who's won an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. Whoopi Goldberg has dyslexia, has talked about it openly. Albert Einstein is widely believed to have had dyslexia. President Eisenhower, Winston Churchill, Thomas Edison, Richard Branson, Steve Jobs, Charles Schwab, Henry Ford, Magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali. The list is so incredibly long. And let's just understand something. When Trump says something like that, just so nonchalantly, so flippantly, so cruelly, does he not realize that not only that dyslexia and learning disabilities, they're not partisan. They not only just go and affect liberals and Democrats, they affect all sorts of people, including the son of Senator Bill Cassidy, a Republican from Louisiana. He is a doctor and a parent of a child with dyslexia. And he has been in Congress, one of the most active advocates and champions on the issue. He passed legislation including the Reid Act. National Dyslexia Awareness Month is October. All of those things were championed by Bill Cassidy, again a Republican. And, you know, this is just so par for the course with Donald Trump. He thinks somehow it makes him stronger to pick on somebody he sees as weaker. It makes him weaker. It reveals his own insecurity. It reveals him for what he is, a school bully who happens to be president. And we could spend all day going through the times that Donald Trump has been a bully, has mocked people with disability, has mocked people for their appearance. He mocked the disabled New York Times reporter and did an impression of him in the first campaign in 2015. He mocked Biden for his stutter. He mocked John McCain, who had suffered so greatly as a prisoner of war he could not lift his arm. He calls women piggy. He calls women horse face. The amount of people that he has said are dumb as a rock, that he has questioned, question their iq. The amount of times that he has used racist probes. And I bring this all up because we cannot allow ourselves to get numb to this. We cannot allow ourselves to normalize this. And I'll tell you why. It's not for Gavin Newsom. Listen, Gavin Newsom is very comfortable in his skin. He's very confident. He knows who he is. He knows he has overcome a learning disability and become the governor of California, will be running for president, I assume. But the reason we have to not normalize it, the reason we have to condemn it and call it out every single time and not get tired of being outraged, is for the children. For the children listening, for the children who are going to get bullied by other bullies because they heard Trump say it, for the children who are in classrooms right now struggling to overcome dyslexia. And so that should make all of us pissed as hell at Trump's continued picking on people just because he doesn't like them, just because they are of another party. It's not about Gavin Newsom. It's about our children. So, yes, we have to continue talking about it. We've got an incredible guest. It's Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal. I wanted her on today because I think she is one of the most effective, effective explainers. I always say to her she has got the ability to explain complex shit and break it down into digestible bits. So we'll see her after the break.
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Ana Navarro
Welcome back to the show, everyone. We're going to get right to this next guest because we have limited time and so much to talk about and I really wanted to have Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal on because every time I see her on TV explaining something, she does such a good job. So you know there's a bunch of dumb dumbs in Congress. This woman is one of the intelligent ones. So welcome to the Congresswoman from the seventh District of Washington, Pramila Jayapal.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Thank you so much, Ana. It's so good to be with you. And thanks for the great introduction.
Ana Navarro
I do. I love hearing you talk and I feel like, like there's some times that I'm listening to some of your colleagues on TV and I swear to God, I can feel my brain cells dying with you every time I listen to you. I feel like I've learned something or understood something better than I did before listening to you. So I want to get right into something which I think is really relevant and important and just very confusing. And with so much going on, right? We've got the Epstein files, we've got the war with Iran. We've got so much going on. And this is that I don't think has gotten as much attention as it deserves. But I want to talk to you about the SAVE act. And really specifically I wanted to talk to you because of your ability to explain complicated shit. So can you explain this piece of legislation to us and just give me the kind of like the worst parts about it, the best parts about it. What's going on here? What is the SAVE Act?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
So the SAVE act is a bill that Republicans put forward because they want to restrict your ability to vote and they want to frame it as well. We just need voter id, which sounds okay, right? Like you think about that and you're like, all right, we want to make sure that people have ID when they're voting, that it's legitimate. But I would just point out, Ana, first of all, that there is almost no documented instance of fraud in Voter elections. In fact, in the last election, the Heritage foundation was a conservative foundation. On their own website, they said that there was one. One instance of somebody voting who shouldn't have. So this is a manufactured issue, number one. But number two, let's look at what this bill actually does. It says that the two pieces of identification that you could use would be a birth certificate or a US Passport. That means you can't use a driver's license to show that you are actually who you say you are. It also says that for states that have mail in vot, like my state, you wouldn't be able to use that mail in voting. At the same time, you would still need to show this kind of id. So it essentially eliminates mail in ballots. But now, let's think about passports and birth certificates. I don't know about you, but 50% of Americans. If I said, do you know where your birth certificate is? I think most people would say, no idea. Not sure I even got one. Don't know where it is. And then on top of that, if you look at passports, 50% of Americans don't have passports. They don't travel. It costs a lot of money to get one. And if you are a woman who changed your name when you got married, it probably means that your driver's license is not the same as your birth certificate, which means, again, that you are up a creek without the paddle. And so what would I need to
Ana Navarro
show the birth certificate and the marriage certificate? And what if I'm one of these women who's had four husbands? So Elizabeth Taylor would have been in a hell of a pickle.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
That's right. And, you know, this is affecting everybody. It was interesting. I was on my flight home last week, and the flight attendant came up to me and said, you are going to vote no on the SAVE Act. Right. And I was so surprised that she had heard about it because it hasn't gotten that much play in the media. Um, but she was just livid about the idea that she would have to spend money and time trying to either get a passport. She was a flight attendant, so she, you know, she was like, look, I do travel outside, so I do have a passport. But the idea that somebody would have to either get a passport or have a birth certificate and have to go through this rigmarole every single time they want to vote is, you know, she said, I feel like they're just trying to get me not to vote. And I said, bingo. That's exactly what's happening.
Ana Navarro
But you know something? I don't understand the. Because this is going to affect Republican women, for example, as much as it's going to affect Democratic women or independent women. I live in South Florida. I'm from Miami. In Miami, there's a lot of people from countries that are communist hell holes, like Nicaragua, where I'm from, or Cuba or Venezuela, or places like Haiti. And a lot of these people actually vote Republican, right? The Cuban Americans do, the Venezuelan Americans do, the Nicaraguan Americans do. Getting a copy of a birth certificate from Cuba. Good luck if you needed to do it. So I read this and I think to myself, this is going to cause as much harm and as much pain to Republicans as it is to everybody else in Florida. Absentee ballot mail in voting has been incredibly important. And there was a time when Republicans dominated that because they did the work. So why is it that instead of wanting to win elections and drive people to the vote to vote, they want less people voting? I don't understand that.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
I think they have a theory that if voter turnout is high, that it benefits Democrats. That's actually not true. That hasn't always been the case. It certainly isn't the case in every election. And you're absolutely right about mail in ballots because remember, during COVID there was a big push to try and get people not to vote mail in even if they could. And it hurt Republicans. And so I think that this is something that is bipartisan. And, you know, it's not just those countries you named. I mean, I was born in India. I'm an immigrant from India. If I had to try and get my birth certificate from India, it would be impossible. I'm not sure. I just don't even know that I could do it. And so I think that you're right to point out that this is not a partisan issue, but Republicans are making it partisan. I think it's a big mistake for them because I think it is going to, you know, really hurt their own turnout. But I think it goes to this idea that Donald Trump is obsessed with the idea that we might take back the House, maybe even the Senate in November. And he wants to do everything he can to stop people from being able to vote and has some idea that somehow that's gonna benefit him, which I don't think is true.
Ana Navarro
And ironically enough, there's now several states and most of them are Republican states like Florida that have passed versions of state, versions of the SAVE Act.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Right.
Ana Navarro
So they are, I think, going to shoot themselves in the foot. But why do you think Trump is so obsessed with this? My Theory is that his base is pissed. His base voted for him because they said. Because he said he was not going to go into forever wars, because he said he was not going to start more wars. And he has. His base is pissed with him because he hasn't released the Epstein files because nobody's getting prosecuted, nobody's getting investigated regarding the Epstein files. So I think that in addition to trying to use this as an intimidation tactic and get people not to go out and vote, he is also trying to get his base all riled up and to rally behind something which is the SAVE Act.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
No, that's right. And no, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, I was on the floor this morning and you know this because we've talked about immigration so much in this country. You know, they, this was an issue that Trump ran on. And you could argue that in many places people sort of went to him in part because of the immigration issue, in part because he said he wasn't going to get into forever wars, in part because he said he was going to lower costs on day one. Remember that. But what has happened now is that the country has turned against him, not only on immigration, but on the economy, on the war. And he is still of the mind that if he blames everything on undocumented immigrants in this country and he makes this about voter fraud around undocumented immigrants in this country, that somehow that's going to be a winning tactic for him. And this morning we were debating a bill called the Bow Wow Act. Basically, they have the same formula every time they take something that is already a crime, that is already a deportable, you know, issue if you are convicted of that crime. And then they try to say that without a conviction, just for being accused of a crime, you can now deport people. And I got up there and I said, why are we wasting time on this? I don't even understand. Because the reality is that gas in Washington state is now over $5 a gallon for unle regular unleaded diesel is over six bucks. Childcare has gone through the roof. Health care has gone through the roof. That's what people care about. They care about the war in Iran, which is another senseless war that now the Pentagon is apparently going to request $200 billion from us for that war, which is not authorized, it's illegal, and it is driving up prices for Americans along with 13, at least 13 service members, lives that have already been lost. So I think you're right. It is an attempt for him once again to try and have people not pay attention to all the things they're angry about. Even the people that voted for him.
Ana Navarro
The Heritage foundation, in their study, they found something like 77 cases of voter fraud with non citizens trying to vote or voting in 24 for years.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
That's right.
Ana Navarro
I mean, and people, you know, to me this is so ridiculous and I don't even understand how people buy it. So let's just be practical about where we are with how undocumented immigrants in this country are feeling. They are having their appendixes burst, they are having all sorts of medical emergencies and they're too afraid to go to the hospital, they are afraid to send their children to school, and they are afraid to go out and work. And so you think these same people who are afraid to take their children to school and go to the hospital when they have medical emergencies are going to show up at an election site and vote illegally? I mean, what are these people smoking? It's just so patently ridiculous to me. The other question I have on the SAVE act though is if I try to go get a driver's license or if I try to go get Social Security benefits, the government has the ability to cross check whether I am a citizen or not and whether I am eligible for these entitlements, whether I am eligible for a real id. So why is the onerous on me as a voter to show you that I am a citizen when you as a government already have the ability to check whether I am a citizen or not? I don't understand that part.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Well, you're trying to make things be logical and none of these people are logical.
Ana Navarro
So what are the possibilities? Because I keep reading that the SAVE act doesn't have a chance of passing. But then I keep seeing Republicans really trying to do all sorts of things with the filibuster in the Senate. And it actually, the Senate last week took it up for debate. So what are the chances of passing and what should American citizens be doing right now to fight this?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Well, right now everyone should be calling your US Senator and telling them, do not vote for this. Vote no on it, kill it, for all the reasons that we've been talking about. It passed the House on a party line vote. Barely. It went to the Senate. They cannot pass it in the Senate unless they have state 60 votes. That's the filibuster. I always say the filibuster gives 40 mostly white men, who represent about 12% of the country's population, the ability to block everything. It comes in handy every once in a while. This is one of the places where it has come in handy, because they do need 60 votes to pass this. That means they've got to get Democrats on board and they've got to keep their entire Republican caucus on board. Lisa Murkowski had already said that she was not for this bill. So there are some Republicans, one or two, that are saying that they're concerned about this. And so what Thune is doing, John Thune, the Senate Majority leader, is he's trying to appease Trump. Trump has suddenly decided that this is his number one priority. Not to bring down your gas prices, not to bring down cost of living, price of groceries, not to address this illegal war, none of those things. He's decided this is the number one priority. And so Thune is. And what he's saying is, Anna, that he's not going to endorse John Cornyn in Texas for his U.S. senate seat unless the Senate takes up this bill and pushes it across the finish line. I just don't think that that is going to be feasible. But I don't put anything past them. They may just decide in a procedural move to end the filibuster tomorrow because of Trump's bullying. And that would be very, very bad. And so that's why it's really important for people to call their US Senator, whether you're a Republican, whether you're a Democrat, whether you're an Independent, and tell them, this is not good. I should not have to do this. You already have my information.
Ana Navarro
Can we talk about a minute? Because a lot of people tell me, a lot of people ask me, what can little old me do? I'm just a regular American. What does it matter? So when somebody calls your office, right? When somebody calls a congressional office, what happens? And at what point does it matter?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
It really matters. So what happens is it gets logged into the system that you called and why you called. It's particularly important if you're a constituent. You know, we log things differently if you're calling from outside of the district. But if you're calling from my district, it means that you have the potential to vote for me. And I'm particularly paying attention to what you think, because I am representing you, right? That's who I represent. So we log it by and we look at the numbers, and I get a report every day from my staff. How many people called in on what issue? How did they feel about it? What did they say about it? We track emails in the same way so that I really have a sense of what my constituents are thinking. So Your call really does matter. I will say your phone call is more impactful than your email, just because somebody gets to talk to you and they get to hear what you have to say. And a personalized email is much better than sort of a form email, because we can see if, you know, 300 people are sending me the exact same email. I take that as a campaign. If somebody sends me their personal story, like the flight attendant that stopped me and said, here's why I'm really angry. I sometimes use those stories on the floor. In fact, I just did that this morning because I had an Afghanistan war veteran who stood up at a town hall that I had last week and told me he had been a sergeant in the Marines. And he said, I have been in forever wars my entire adult life, and I don't want another one. And so those stories are very powerful because we can give voice to them on the floor, and we can use them to connect with other people who might be in the exact same situation as you are.
Ana Navarro
And the phone number, guys, for all of you, it is 202, 225 3121. You can call that hotline and you can ask to be switched over to your congressperson or your senators. We've talked about. You've brought up the Iran war, and let's call it a war, because I know your Republican colleagues are calling it all sorts of things. Trump is calling it an excursion. Like if I was getting off a celebrity cruise ship and going to swim with dolphins. It's not an excursion, it's a war. So let's talk about the Iran war and how you're feeling about it, what your thoughts are. I mean, I have a lot of thoughts. I think Trump has what I call Venezuela derangement syndrome. He thinks everything is going to be as easy as Venezuela. And he thinks that if you go out there and you show the military might of America, these regimes are going to get scared, be afraid, put down their arms, and if you get rid of the head, then you can find somebody to negotiate with, like he did in Venezuela, the vice president. But that's my theory. What the hell is going on here?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Well, I think this was about changing the headlines, right? It was changing the headlines on the Epstein files and Trump's. Whatever Trump's role is in. In that whole scandal, it was changing the headlines on the cost of living and the fact that people can't afford to live. And one way to do that is to go to war. And I do think you're right that he was told, and he believed that this was going to be quick. This was another way for him to enact regime change. And early on they said, this is a regime change war. Now, they backed away from that since then, but they have been saying it. And listen, every day their story changes. But here's the basic fact of all of this. Number one, you cannot go to war without authorization from Congress. Actually, the founders who crafted our Constitution were trying to get away from kings and monarchs who suddenly decided, because one guy said it was going to be good for him and good for the people, lied about that, that one guy could decide to send a country to war. And so they explicitly wrote it into the Constitution. And then it was, you know, essentially reinforced again after the Vietnam War that you have to get authorization from Congress for a war. So, number one.
Ana Navarro
But everybody does it.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Everybody does it. And I've been against it for some time now. Interestingly, even George Bush during the Iraq war came to Congress and asked for authorization. I was not in Congress at the time. I was on the outside protesting that because I knew it was going to be an endless, forever war. And unfortunately, too many people on both sides of the aisle sort of fall for this instead of really thinking about what are we trying to achieve, what is the best way to achieve it, what are the potential consequences of what war? And so you're right, I've. I've fought against both Democratic and Republican presidents who have tried to do this. I spoke out against Joe Biden in the last administration when there were several occasions when he didn't come to us for authorization. This is even worse than that because Trump didn't even claim that he needed to have authorization from Congress. And this is a full scale war with massive consequences. The 13 service members killed within the first week. Right. And global oil prices now going through the roof and really creating all kinds of challenges for the region, the Middle east, where people are being drawn into this with strikes on their oil facilities, on their cities, on their civilians. And you know, it has been an incredibly ill consumer perceived war. And I think we have to do everything we can to get out of it. It's costing one to $2 billion a day.
Ana Navarro
And we just heard, you know, it's been reported that one, they're thinking about having to put boots on the ground in some sort of capacity, and two, that they're talking about coming to Congress and asking for a 200 billion with a B B supplemental, and that is something that will require congressional approval. So that's something that people can call their Congresspeople and senators on. And you should begin doing it right now, if you're listening to this.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
That's right.
Ana Navarro
I want to ask you. You're just so smart and I. So I want to ask you. And you know, you're also an honest broker. You know, you're an honest broker.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
I try.
Ana Navarro
Let me ask you, you brought up your flight attendant friend. Talk about tsa. I think a lot of people are worried about this. I'm worried about this. I travel four times a week. You do, too. But for me, my inconvenience is minor in comparison to the TSA agents who aren't getting paid. So are there any conversations actually ongoing right now to try to get this solved? And what is it going to take?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Well, we have been pushing very hard for Republicans to fund TSA and fema. Right. We can fund other parts of dhs. Dhs? Is this really unwieldy? That's for another podcast. But, you know, we never should have created dhs. It's so unwieldy. It's got all these things thrown in together.
Ana Navarro
And then, and then Trump puts the most unqualified people in the world, people
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
in charge of it. Yes. Like Kristi Noem. And so who's. Bye, bye, Kristi Noem. You know, I think that we have said, let's fund tsa, let's fund female. We have a discharge petition on the floor right now to do that. I know in the Senate, they've put up bills and the Democrats have put up bills and Republicans have refused. And this all comes down to the fact that we don't want to continue to fund a lawless ICE and CBP that has been killing American citizens and kidnapping people and deporting them across the country, including most recently in Minnesota. And so we are very happy to fund the rest of it, but we want to make sure that US Citizens are not killed. So we've asked for a set of significant reforms to CBP and ice, and we've said we'll fund the rest of it. Republicans are saying no, they don't want to do it. They want to continue to have the ability for ICE and CBP to work completely unfettered to kill whoever. They want to continue to detain U.S. citizens, to continue to violate people's rights and bash indoors without judicial warrants. And we've just said no, we have to continue to protect our Constitution and the rights of our citizens across the country.
Ana Navarro
A lot of Americans always feel like at the end of the day, Democrats always give in. They can't you know, Democrats don't have the stomach to see the suffering of people the way that Republicans do and not act. Do you think Democrats are going to stick together on this and continue demanding these reforms?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
I feel like we are because the abuses of ICE and CBP were so outrageous and the whole country saw it. And we have members of Congress who were never interested in immigration before, Anna, are paying attention now in a way that never has been the case. They all have a story of a US Citizen, of a legal permanent resident, of an undocumented immigrant who had never committed any crime, who's been picked up and detained and deported and perhaps killed.
Ana Navarro
And so, Camilla, I see those stories from Miami, from South Florida.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
That's right.
Ana Navarro
Of people who supported Trump every single day on my timeline. People who are legal permanent residents. Cubans, you know, Cubans have never been touched in this country and they are getting deported, some of them to places like Sudan and Eswati.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Yes.
Ana Navarro
I have a last question to ask you, and I'm getting told that you have a hard out. I know you got a plane to catch recently, so this is going to be my last question, I promise. I could talk to you all day. Trump, in a recent interview with FOX morning host Brian Kilmeade, made a statement. He said that brown people have different genetics which make them more prone to violence. You're brown, I'm brown. So just how do you, how did you feel when you heard that?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
It's so infuriating. And I hear this every day. I'm on the Judiciary Committee. I'm the ranking member on the Immigration Subcommittee. This is an argument that they are making every day. They're not even trying to hide the racism. They're not even trying to hide the fascism that is so much entrenched in this. They have come out with this white nationalist agenda led by Stephen Miller, led by many of those others. It was very clearly articulated, articulated in Project 2025. Anybody who read that saw it throughout. But this is what they want to do. They want to make you and me less than anybody who has white skin. And it is really awful to me. I call it out all the time in Judiciary because what they do is they say immigrants commit crimes at higher rates than native born U.S. citizens. Number one, not true, not true. Number two, what they try to do is take one bad actor and every population has a bad actor. Right. And they try to say this is who immigrants are. What you and I know from our own experiences is that immigrants have helped build this country. Without immigrants, there would be very little that would work in the United States of America. And we have so many, you know, they try to make it seem like all the undocumented, all the Latinos in the United States are undocumented also. Not true. And so I think it is just really important that we call it out. But we also recognize that what they are trying to do is divide us and have people feel like somehow we are less than. And, you know, listen, you and I could take on any of these people and run circles around them in terms of our arguments, in terms of how we think about things. And I think we just have to continue to stand strong for the people across this country who listen to this also and feel so hurt, angry, furious, because they are contributing so much to our country and they are being made to feel like somehow this is less than, but this is a race war, and we just have to be clear about it and stand up against it.
Ana Navarro
Thank you so much for your time. I know you carved some time for us. Go catch your plane. Thank you for your wisdom. Thank you for standing up and standing strong and calling out the abuses of power. And I hope you become a recurrent guest on here because like I said to you, for me, I always hear what you have to say just because you explain it in such a wonderful way that I can understand it much easy.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Well, right back at you.
Ana Navarro
How do you say thank you in India?
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
Dhanyavad. You could say Dhanyavad, which is thank you in Hindi.
Ana Navarro
Dhanyavad. Thank you. I'll give it a. I'll practice for the next time.
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal
You did great. Thank you so much for having me. It was great to talk to you. Take care.
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Ana Navarro
Welcome back everyone. As we do every week, we try to highlight Heroes of the Week and Cowards of the Week. For me, the heroes this week are TSA agents. I go through airports every single week, at least twice a week, sometimes four or more times a week, and it breaks my heart and it enrages me that these TSA agents are having to go through this again. Let's just remember that it was within the last year that TSA agents were not getting paid because of the last government shutdown and they are heroes because they are showing up to work to keep us safe in the skies without getting paid. Some of them are having to sleep in their cars at the airport because they don't have money to put gas in the tank. Some of them are having to go to community kitchens and find people that give them donated food so that they can feed their families. This is just outrageous. I'm going to ask all of you, please, please, please, if you have to travel, give yourself time. Give yourself patience. I have seen some people lose their patience and they're cool when it comes to TSA agents, it's not their fault. And they are showing up when I think most of us wouldn't show up to work in what is already a tough, thankless job. So when you see a TSA agent if you're going to travel, be polite, be courteous, thank them, ask them how they're doing, smile and be patient and thank you to the TSA agents and and their families. Because it's not just the agents, it's the families that are wondering how the rent is going to get paid that are also heroes for Sticking with us. So for the coward of the week, this week we're going to talk about Cesar Chavez and the revelations of sexual assault committed by him, the allegations against him by women who have come forward to say what they went through. And this is a very hard topic. It's a painful topic, it's a heavy topic. But I think we all have the duty to hold people accountable, to hold sexual assaulters, particularly those who committed the assault against minors. We have to hold them accountable. Whether we like them or we don't, whether we admire them or we don't, whether we know who they are or we don't. We have got to hold everyone accountable. And so let's talk about these revelations. It was reported in the New York Times. This was a story the New York Times had been working on for several years. And it's a story about two very young girls at the time. Just shocking, shocking to read. Very young girls. Ana Murguia, she was 13, Deborah Rojas, she was 12. And they are accusing Cesar Chavez of having assaulted them when they were this age, when they were young children, living in basically the. The commune that they all shared. And, you know, there's such a common thread to these cases. There's a common thread of men in power who think they can get away with anything and think they can do anything. And there's a common thread of a circle around them that looks the other way and enables them. When one of these girls was talking about what happened to her, both of them talked about walking past Cesar Chavez's secretary into his office, where he would lock the door and then sexually assault them on a yoga mat. One of them talked about a bodyguard who stood guard outside the motel room as she was getting raped. So always, always, always, it's the men themselves committing crimes, particularly against people that can't talk, that are weaker than they are, that are vulnerable, and the people around them who enable it. I don't give any of them a pass. So this is very painful, obviously, first and foremost, for these women, these women who have carried the shame and the secret and the trauma in them for decades and decades and decades. Let's remember this happened 50 years ago. Cesar Chavez has been dead for 30 years. It's also very painful for the Latino community at a time when our community is under attack and being discriminated against and persecuted and prosecuted. We so badly need heroes. And for so many in the Latino community, Cesar Chavez was a hero. This is the month where it's his birthday. And there are so many places around the country that celebrate Cesar Chavez Day, that have schools and streets and boulevards named for him, there's parks, there's all sorts of things. Marches held all over the country to commemorate his birthday and his legacy and his actions as a civil rights leader, as a farm workers rights leader, as somebody who led that movement back in the 60s and 70s and 80s. So this is very hard for the community because I can't think of many or any other Latinos who are as widely admired nationally and even internationally as Cesar Chavez. I can't think of many other Latinos who have as many things named for them as Cesar Chavez who get taught, whose story gets taught about in history books. And so, yeah, it's the pain of the girls. It's the pain of a community reeling from current events and now having to deal with losing somebody that was an icon and a legend. And it's also personal pain. I read this week the reaction of one of the victims, I think it was Deborah Rojas. And she said she had thought about Cesar Chavez's family, his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren and the pain this was bringing them. That really touched me because think about the grace of that woman who was a sexual assault victim and her thoughts are for his family and the pain they're going through. And actually one of his grandchildren, one of his granddaughters, Julie Rodriguez Chavez is one of my personal friends, somebody I am very proud of and who has done great things. She served in the Obama White House. She was the highest ranking Latina to ever serve in a White House under Joe Biden in the capacity as senior advisor. And she loved, admired her grandfather. She was raised by him and with him. And so for her, this has been personally devastating. And it just makes me think about when something like this comes out, just the number of lives that are touched and destroyed and negatively affected as a result. To me, if there's, there's something positive out of this horrible, horrible story, it's that women, Even if it's 10 years after, 20 years after, 50 years after, in this case, are finding their voice and speaking. And I'd like to think that it was the women who spoke up against Harvey Weinstein and created the MeToo movement that gave the women, the Epstein survivors, the courage to speak. And I'd like to think it's the courage of those Epstein survivors in speaking and in showing their names and faces and sharing their stories that has given these women the courage to speak out. And I hope that the courage of these women, they were 12 and 13 years old at the time I hope their courage and their stories helps other women come forward and tell their stories and point the finger at their, at the, at their aggressors and the men who have victimized them. Mostly men. And that's why I want to give out the number for the sexual assault hotline. So if you know anybody, if you yourself are a victim or know anybody right now or suspect of anybody who was victimized, you call that number and it is 1-800-656-Hope 1-800-656-4673. And again, I want to thank the women, all the women who have ever come forward and spoken and shared their story. You give us all strength. You give us all courage. That's it. Heavy thing to end on, but that's it for this episode of Leap. Thank you again to Congresswoman Jaya Powell. Thank you to all of you for giving this podcast a listen and a chance. Thank you to all of you who leave me comments and suggestions. I am reading them. 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Bleep! with Ana Navarro
Episode: Voter Rights on the Chopping Block + Cesar Chavez's Fall From Grace
Date: March 23, 2026
Host: Ana Navarro | Guest: Rep. Pramila Jayapal
This episode tackles two major stories:
Ana Navarro’s passionate, direct style guides the episode through outrage, deep dives, and calls to action—aiming to transform despair into knowledge and courage.
[03:24–09:56]
“He knows that what he is saying is horrible. He knows that he is president of the United States where there are so many people with learning disabilities and he doesn't care. He says it anyways because he has no impulse control.” — Ana Navarro (04:09)
[14:20–41:30]
[15:50] Rep. Jayapal breaks down the Republican-sponsored SAVE Act:
Notable Quote:
"You would have to get a passport or birth certificate and go through this rigmarole every single time you want to vote ... I feel like they're just trying to get me not to vote." — Rep. Jayapal, relaying a flight attendant’s reaction (17:58)
Ana and Rep. Jayapal stress that the law would hurt all demographics, including Republican-leaning groups like Cuban, Venezuelan, and Nicaraguan Americans in Florida—many of whom struggle to retrieve foreign birth certificates.
Both agree the legislation is rooted more in partisan voter suppression than in actual fraud prevention (which remains vanishingly rare).
Notable Quote:
“This is going to cause as much harm and as much pain to Republicans as it is to everybody else in Florida ... why do they want less people voting?” — Ana Navarro (18:46)
"There is almost no documented instance of fraud in voter elections … this is a manufactured issue." — Rep. Jayapal (15:50)
“Your call really does matter. I will say your phone call is more impactful than your email ... those stories are very powerful because we can give voice to them on the floor.” — Rep. Jayapal (28:52)
[30:38–35:15]
“You cannot go to war without authorization from Congress ... the founders who crafted our Constitution were trying to get away from kings and monarchs who suddenly decided ... to send a country to war.” — Rep. Jayapal (33:10)
[35:23–38:43]
[38:43–41:30]
“Trump ... said that brown people have different genetics which make them more prone to violence. You're brown, I'm brown. How did you feel when you heard that?” — Ana Navarro (39:14)
“They're not even trying to hide the racism ... this is a race war, and we just have to be clear about it and stand up against it.” — Rep. Jayapal (41:30)
[46:28–51:00]
“Some of them are having to sleep in their cars at the airport ... Some of them are having to go to community kitchens ... and they are showing up when I think most of us wouldn’t.” — Ana Navarro (46:36)
“We have got to hold everyone accountable ... sexual assaulters, particularly those who committed the assault against minors.” — Ana Navarro (47:30)
On not normalizing cruelty (re: Trump):
“We cannot allow ourselves to normalize this ... it’s not about Gavin Newsom. It’s about our children.” — Ana Navarro (07:57)
On constituent power:
“Your phone call is more impactful than your email … those stories are very powerful because we can give voice to them on the floor.” — Rep. Jayapal (28:52)
On voting rights and the SAVE Act:
“I feel like they’re just trying to get me not to vote.” — Flight Attendant, relayed by Rep. Jayapal (17:58)
On holding Latino heroes accountable:
“It’s painful for the victims, for the community, for his family ... but we have the duty to hold people accountable, whether we like them or we don’t.” — Ana Navarro (47:30)
Ana Navarro delivers her signature mix of anger, empathy, and hope. The conversation with Rep. Jayapal is both accessible and substantive, breaking down complex legal and legislative issues with personal stories, lived experience, and clear calls to action. The closing segment on Cesar Chavez is somber but courageous, urging accountability and visibility for survivors.
Listener Takeaway:
Stay informed, reject normalization of hatred, use your power as a constituent, and always support survivors.
Key Resource:
For anyone seeking to understand the latest threats to voting rights, the impacts of current US wars, and the ongoing challenge of confronting hero-worship in light of abuse revelations, this episode is essential, energizing listening.