Live with Katie Herzog & Jesse Singal

Summary

Blocked and Reported – Live with Katie Herzog & Jesse Singal

Date: March 12, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Katie Herzog & Jesse Singal
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Episode Overview

In this lively live episode, journalists and co-hosts Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal riff on the latest internet absurdities, rooted primarily in the ongoing “Lindy West saga,” broader media culture, and the evolution of internet-induced social madness. The tone is irreverent and self-deprecating, blending industry gossip, sharp critique of contemporaries, and audience Q&A about podcasting, current cultural debates, and random listener questions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The “Lindy West Saga,” Publishing, and Polyamory

• Lindy West’s notoriety:
  • Discussing West's latest book, polyamory, and her relationship self-help angle.
  • Katie: “That’s so cool, the way she, of her own volition, ended up like one of two girls for a guy... They ended up gay.” (00:09)
• Book advances and publishers:
  • Jesse shares insights from Lee Stein (with Kat and Phoebe) on the book’s original self-help pitch and ambiguity over West’s advance details. (00:39-01:49)
  • Notable Moment: Industry inside-baseball about how Publishers Marketplace codes author advances. (01:05)

Social Campaigns and “Shout Your Abortion”

• Lindy West’s activism:
  • Both hosts question the effectiveness of loudly destigmatizing abortion.
  • Katie: “If you’re trying to change minds... I don’t think being like loud and proud about it... is the way to do it.” (03:15)
  • Jesse: “All shout your abortion did was convince more people that pro-choicers were psychopaths. I think that’s probably true.” (04:08)

Internet Outrage, Topic Fatigue & Political Shifts

• Impact on podcast topics:
  • Discussion about whether finding compelling “outrage” stories is harder now that the culture war focus has shifted right.
  • Jesse: “Has it been more difficult to find good topics... since the worst of the woke left has kind of died down?” (15:36)
  • Katie: “I don’t think there’s any lack of internet bullshit stories... But the stakes are higher, and that makes it less fun.” (15:58)
• Institutionalization of right-wing internet culture:
  • Katie laments that the internet’s most outlandish right-wing figures now have real power: “The right is as like psychotically online as the woke left... but [now] it is institutionalized in the federal government... the Trump administration has been so effective... they are so online.” (16:13)

Specific Individuals & Online Phenomena

• Clavicular/Bone Smasher:
  • Brief assessment of the viral, nihilistic influencer and the bleakness of giving such figures airtime:
    • Jesse: “He’s so devoid of—he’s empty. He’s just devoid, full stop.” (18:24)
    • Katie: “A lot of the right-wing online stuff is covered... whereas a lot of the woke stories, they ignored it. And that was a huge advantage to us.” (19:10)
• Red Scare Girls / Anna & Dasha:
  • Anecdotes about their magnetic effect on media men at parties.
  • Katie: “Every man... was like moss to a flame, like, surrounding Dasha and Anna.” (20:29)
  • Hilarious story about Dasha asking a stranger, “Are you gay? ...You just don’t know it yet,” and walking away. (21:44)

Recommendations & Anti-Recommendations

• Katie’s Picks:
  • Ride with Ian – Instagram/Substack account documented by an ex-junkie world-cyclist:
    • “He is a psychopath who is spending his one precious life riding his bike across the world… never wears a helmet and smokes cigarettes.” (06:05)
  • Anti-Recommendation:
    • Friends Keep Secrets (Dave Burd/Lil Dicky & Benny Blanco) – “It's so boring. It’s people sitting around who are celebrities… convinced they are fascinating. It’s a really good reminder... that stars really are just like us. They’re very boring and convinced they are not.” (07:43)
• Jesse’s Recommendations:
  • Music: Homefront (“Good rock songs with synthy elements, Canadian band”) (09:51)
  • Old-school Internet comedy:
    • Derek Comedy (early Donald Glover work)
    • Good Neighbor (Beck Bennett & Kyle Mooney)

Audience Q&A & Notable Banter

• Aliyah/Jewish immigration to Israel:

  • Lighthearted exchange on whether Jesse would consider moving to Israel for good content and the time zone benefits for podcasting. (13:17–14:38)
  • Katie: “I think Israeli culture and me would be a really good match because I’m very, like, Jewish, masculine, muscular… a pretty militaristic mindset.” (14:35)
  • Bet: If there’s a two-state solution “in the next week,” Jesse will move. (15:07)

• Moose the dog:

  • Several moments featuring Katie’s dog Moose, including playful interruptions and dog admiration by the audience. (02:14, 23:18)

• Sports Question:

  • Off-topic but played straight-faced: Are the Celtics real contenders? (22:51)

• Technical/Behind-the-Scenes Banter:

  • Casual digressions about podcast setups, Google Docs, and bathroom offices. (11:05-11:13)
  • Jesse jokes about Megan McArdle having to take over during his (alleged) drunken podcasting incident. (05:23)

• Running Theme:

  • Reflections on how fame, internet notoriety, and cultural cycles create repetitive (and sometimes joyless) content—both for podcast creators and the public.

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Memorable Quotes

• “I don’t think there’s any lack of internet bullshit stories. In fact, I think... there’s almost more internet bullshit, but the stakes are higher and that makes it less fun.”
  — Katie (15:58)
• “The Trump administration... so effective at seizing control and... implementing some of the elements of the worst of the online right. Like J.D. Vance is a fucking incel... he has that right-wing online ethos.”
  — Katie (16:13)
• “He’s so devoid of—he’s empty. He’s just devoid, full stop.”
  — Jesse on Clavicular (18:24)
• “Every man was like moss to a flame... trying to bump cigarettes from [Dasha and Anna] just to be near them.”
  — Katie (20:29)
• “It’s people sitting around who are celebrities... they are convinced that they are fascinating. But it’s a really good reminder that stars really are just like us. They're very boring and convinced that they are not.”
  — Katie on Friends Keep Secrets (07:43)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00-04:44 — Lindy West, the publishing industry, and “Shout Your Abortion”
• 06:02-09:51 — Recommendations/Anti-Recommendations (Ride With Ian, Friends Keep Secrets, Homefront, Derek Comedy)
• 13:00-15:36 — Aliyah, Israel, podcasting logistics
• 15:36-20:10 — Discussion: Has online culture changed? Is it less fun to cover?
• 20:10-22:47 — Red Scare afterparty stories, Anna & Dasha, fleeting fame
• 22:51–24:41 — Audience Q&A: Sports, random chat, dog stories (Moose)
• 15:36–21:14 — Cultural impact of right-wing figures and coverage

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures “Blocked and Reported” in its element—unfiltered, deeply online, and unafraid to roast both themselves and the internet’s new ruling class. The mix of gossip, sharp social commentary, and beneath-the-surface weariness at the current state of discourse makes for a breezy but incisive listen. Long-time fans will appreciate the banter; new listeners get a crash course in how the sausage gets made when covering internet weirdness for a living.

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Note:
Ads, intros/outros, and technical filler excluded. Only live content, audience interaction, and main topics are included.

Transcript

[A]

Can you reveal who we're talking about?

[B]

Yeah, well, obviously we're. Obviously we're talking about Lindy west, obviously. Do we talk about anyone else at this point?

[A]

One thing I like is how enlightened she is about relationships and polyamory. That's so cool the way she, of her own volition, ended up like one of two girls for guy. They ended up gay.

[B]

Do you, do you want to read the book? I'll send it to you. I've got the PDF.

[A]

I'd like to read it. I don't think I'm going to, but I'd like to based on. Because I thought your and Helen's discussion was all I needed.

[B]

Kat and Phoebe had Lee Stein on their show this week. I highly recommend that for people who are interested in the ongoing Lindy west saga. And one thing I learned from this was that this book. So Lee pulled the. What's it called? Publishers Marketplace. There's this. There's this like, industry publication called Publishers Marketplace, and they publish announcements like your

[A]

agent, a significant deal or whatever. There's a code they use that corresponds to the money range, the amount of

[B]

money that you got. So Lindy's did not have any indicator of the amount of money she was paid for the advance. Presumably it was high. She's. She's a bestselling author. Although her second book didn't sell. Maybe it was a Covid book.

[A]

I say this as a poorly selling author, but if you had one bestseller like a decade ago, that doesn't mean you're. If you've had bad results in the meantime. Yeah, I don't think you're going to get good.

[B]

My guess is that. Okay, so this one. So what Lee saw from the Publisher's Marketplace announcement was that this was originally pitched as self help.

[A]

Nobody. If you're a woman and you want your husband to move another woman in.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But you don't know how to ask.

[B]

Yes. This. Yes. Okay, so thank you guys all for being here. We have. People are trickling in. You want to do a reveal of my. Of my. Of my special guest? Let's see if he do it. Let's see. This makes for great audio.

[A]

Yeah, this is really good stuff. Aw, Moosey pie.

[B]

There he is.

[A]

Moosey poo.

[B]

Now you guys can all spend a moment talking about how adorable he is. Look at that. Just hanging out. Hanging out in his chair in my

[A]

office a while ago, I went on. Oh, wait. The last thing I was going to say is I think. I don't think I can read the Book. Because whenever I see someone in like the Lindy west or Michael Hobbs orbit talk about weight loss, drugs and kids and how we don't know the long term effect, I just. My brain rage. It's just so fucking insane that they can hold those two positions at the same time.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, there is a. Yeah, there's definitely some strange element of that. There was something else about Lindy that I forgot to talk about with Helen on our episode, which is shout your abortion. Do you remember that?

[A]

Oh, yeah. It was basically like, not just destigmatizing having got an abortion, but like shouting it.

[B]

Advertising, which I'm not sure abortion is. Is very common. I don't know what the exact statistics are, but like, lots of women have had abortions. I might be the only one who hasn't had an abortion. At least in this room. Yes. In this chat between the two of us, I'm the one less likely to have had an abortion. And you know, I think the. I think the intention of that campaign was it made sense, right? Destigmatizing this thing. But I think that there's also something like. If you're trying to change minds, I don't think that's the way to do it. I think that people who are opposed to abortion, if you want to change their minds, I don't think being like loud and proud about it. I think taking it like.

[A]

By the way, just in the chat, Greg has offered to crowdfund your abortion.

[B]

Will you crowdfund my IVF first? That's gonna be quite a bit more expensive, but you know what I mean, like, yeah, someone says in the chat, all shout your abortion did was convince more people that pro choicers were psychopaths. I think that's probably true.

[A]

It was. I mean, I think it's an issue where most people have like pretty moderate sort of European views. No, I did like, actually pretty moderate views, but for me, the line that always stuck with me was like, it's just. It's just like any other healthcare decision when it's just like. It's not. Because if it was, people would be upset about miscarriages.

[B]

Like, right.

[A]

Like it's. It is. It's more morally weighted than right. Can I go through. There was one thing I wanted to address just from the questions we got on substack.

[B]

Sure. Are these from the. From the page or from the chat? I posted it in the chat today.

[A]

From the page. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I love you guys so much, but I hope Jesse isn't drunk at a friend's house. For this like, heart. First of all, we like you too. That was a one time thing. First of all, I wasn't that drunk. I wasn't that drunk. I was at a friend's house. Megan McArdle was there. I thought having her come on as like a special guest would counteract the fact that I was drinking whiskey, but it was like a little douchey of me. I apologize for that. This is the only thing I've ever

[B]

to force Megan to sit in for you. This is the only time Jesse's ever met.

[A]

I passed out. I fell off the street and Megan was like, I guess I gotta take over.

[B]

No, the bad part of what you did was drive home after it was publicly admitting that you were driving home after you were drinking whiskey.

[A]

You're mixing. You're mixing up two different things. That night I, I waited a while. I was like five to drive. There was.

[B]

Never mind.

[A]

I don't. We don't need this.

[B]

Will Crowdsworth A Breath of legend Jersey.

[A]

Has it been more difficult to find good topics for the pause since the worst.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. I'm not ready to move into the questions. Oh remember we were. We discussed this yesterday. We were going to do start with recommendations.

[A]

Oh I. Oh yeah. Okay, you go for recommendations.

[B]

Okay, so I have recommendations and anti recommendations. So for the recommendations there is an Instagrammer and like I think he's on TikTok too. I follow him on Instagram. His account is called Ride with Ian and he is a psychopath who is spending his one precious life riding his bike across the world. So he has now ridden across I believe every continent except Antarctica. And that is next on his list. So I was following him as he was riding from Portugal to Japan and he's a. He's like a very interesting storyteller. He's an ex junkie who's who like never wears a helmet and smokes cigarettes and has a big American flag that he, that he puts on a po. Like on a flagpole on his bike. So he was like riding through China with this American flag on his bike. Didn't take long to get stopped by the police and, and, and, and told to take that thing down. He was in Iran when they were bombing Iran. So it's. That's my first recommendation. Ride with. He's also on substack. Ride with Ian on Instagram and substack. My anti recommendation. Jesse, have you heard of Friends keep Secrets?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, so this is a, this is an anti recommendation for many reasons. So you know Dave Bird, you resemble him and Benny Blanco, you resemble both of them. So Dave Bird from what's his show called? Little Dickie, Little Penis.

[A]

Well, his day he's Little Dicky.

[B]

Right. What's the show called? Dave.

[A]

Jesus. Dave.

[B]

Dave.

[A]

The first season of which was great. I never really got into the second season.

[B]

I really like his show, I think and I really like his. His hip hop. He's like very funny. So he, he's best friends with Benny Blanco, the music producer who was married Selena Gomez, who married so far incredibly out of his league. No, there's never been.

[A]

We also have a very good homoerotic episode about that in Date About Date about their friendship.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So their best friends and they started. Just started this show. It's like a. It's on Apple and Spotify. So it's like a podcast is show but it's with video. So that's first of all an anti recommendation. I'm like very opposed to this pivot to video. Don't want to do it. Might have to. Don't want to do it. But so this show is. They have. It's like it's filmed in Dave and his wife's house and they have cameras all over the house. So it's sort of like reality TV but without a crew. And they just have their famous friends come over. So like the first episode was just like the two of them and Dave's wife, who wasn't famous, I can't remember her name. And the second episode was Selena Gomez. That one was slightly more interesting. The third one is. Is what's the like the ginger who looks like half. Like the super famous ginger musician who looks half baked, not high. He looks like he. Like he wasn't the British one. Yes, Ed Sheeran.

[A]

Oh, Ed Sheeran. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So. So they're just. It's so boring. It is people sitting around who are so con. Who are celebrities. So for good reason. They are convinced that they are fascinating. But it's like anybody who sits around with their best friend and thinks like we are so funny, we should tape this. It's that and it's a really good reminder, I think that stars really are just like us. They're very boring and convinced that they are not. So that is my anti recommendation. Watch it but hate it. Do you have one, Jesse, Would you like to add one?

[A]

My recommendation for music is there's a band called Homefront. I can't stop listening to their. I don't know what to do about the album titles. I can't help it. Games of power. And watch it die, you'll know pretty quick. These are like 2 to 3 minute really good rock songs with, like, Cynthia Elements. They're a Canadian band. And then old school Internet comedy. Before he was super famous, Donald Glover was in something called Derek Comedy, which is just great. Like 2000. When was it? 2008, 2010. Just really goofy comedy. And then along those same lines, Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney had a troupe called Beck Bennett Kyle Mooney Comedy Troupe. What was it called? Oh, Good Neighbors. Yeah, Good Neighbors. All this stuff's on YouTube. It's just like, not enough people know about it. It's so, so funny. People are once again addressing the camera, pointing up. Which is less flattering than if I was like. But I'm just not. I don't. I like you guys, don't get me wrong. But I don't. It's fine. I'm not in New York. In New York, I have a nice setup with a big monitor and a camera. Up here, I'm in California and they don't have.

[B]

They don't have tables. Yeah. So are you. Are you in a bathroom? It looks like you're in a public. Like a public bathroom and like a nice. Like a bank.

[A]

Yeah. I'm having, like, some really serious stomach issues. So I'm just doing this from the.

[B]

Live from the. That's another thing about the Dave Bird Benny Blanco Show. Dave is oftentimes peeing, which he does. Sitting down with the door open while they're.

[A]

Because he has hypoplastic. He has that penis problem with his penis.

[B]

He has a penis problem. He also. We did. Do you remember the episode that. Actually I did this one with Hadley Freeman. We talked about Arfid, this, like, eating disorder where people have, like, textural issues. So Dusty doesn't listen to the show. It was.

[A]

No, I listen to it. I'm just saying our fit is like, It. It's always been a hard thing for me to understand what it would be like to happen. No, I think it's real.

[B]

So Dave Bird has this. He, like. Because they're. And I don't know that they've only watched the first. The first couple episodes. Actually. In the first, maybe the second episode, Benny Blanco tries to get him to eat a pickle. And he does it, but he can't even chew it. It just like falls out of his mouth.

[A]

I want to watch this show. This is like my kind of shit. One guy trying to get another guy to eat a pickle.

[B]

It's. But they're also like, there's girls there. You wouldn't. You wouldn't understand it.

[A]

Oh, I wouldn't like it if there's girls there.

[B]

Yeah. So he. I have seen some other shorts that he's done on Instagram or whatever where Dave Bird tries different fruits for the same. For the first time. Like, the dude has. Did, like, didn't eat a vegetable. And I think this is a storyline in Dave the show. He didn't eat, like, a vegetable or a piece of fruit until he was, like, in his 30s. And he seems to have, like. I believe this when I watch him. I don't think he's acting. I believe that he has these just, like, absolute disgust reactions to anything that isn't, like, dino nuggets and probably French fries.

[A]

I just want to quickly address one question from the chat. Well, Katie, tell me if you know what this means. Jesse, can you think of anything that would motivate you to make aaliyah? Do you know what that means? Aliyah or Ali.

[B]

How do you spell that?

[A]

A L, I, Y, A H?

[B]

No.

[A]

How many tabs do I have open? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. I have 11 tabs open. That's where Jews from elsewhere uproot their life and move to Israel. Do you think that I will be doing that?

[B]

I think you should. I think it would be great if this was. I think that. I think that the. The content would be great. Like you podcasting from a bomb. She would be great. Also, I think you joining the IDF would be hilarious.

[A]

That's one word for it. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And also, you love the food. I know that. So I think you would be happy there.

[A]

Well, I love Middle Eastern food. Anyway, I'm, like, strongly considering this, so I'm probably going to do it.

[B]

Okay. I think also, I think, like, it'll

[A]

affect the podcast time zone wise.

[B]

No, I think it'd actually be good because you preferred a podcast later and I prefer to podcast earlier.

[A]

Let's see, when it's 8pm in Israel. What time is it in?

[B]

It's probably, like.

[A]

It's probably, like, worse than you think. Oh, 10:00am in Seattle is 8:00pm in Israel.

[B]

Perfect. I like to. I like to record at 9, but I'll do 10.

[A]

Never mind. There's a post.

[B]

Yeah, you have to explain it now.

[A]

Oh, I'll text you.

[B]

Should we take.

[A]

I think I would. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Well, I just want to say I think Israeli culture and me would be a really good match because I'm very, like, Jewish, masculine, muscular. I Have sort of, you know, a pretty militaristic mindset. If they can. If. Okay, fine. Last thing I'll say about this compromise. If they can do the whole peace process thing like a two state solution and add the occupation, I will move there. If they do it in the next

[B]

week, would you be. Would you be allowed to move to Israel? Just because, you know, I believe there's

[A]

a very generous system where as long as you can prove you're like a pretty Jewish. Yes.

[B]

Do you think I could do it?

[A]

I believe so. No, because you're not Jewish. Have you ever done a 23 of me?

[B]

I share a last name with the president of the country. My last name is much more Jewish than yours. Yours is Hindu.

[A]

It's also much more German than mine.

[B]

So Jewish.

[A]

Okay. The question I wanted to address first, has it been more. And this is substantive. And then we'll go back to jokey stuff about me moving to war zones. Has it been more difficult to find good topics for the POD since the worst of the woke left has kind of died down and everything seems to be more serious and depressing? Short answer. I think yes, Katie, care to expand?

[B]

I don't think there's any lack of Internet bullshit stories. In fact, I think the Internet bullshit, there's almost more inner shit. Excuse me? There's almost more Internet bullshit.

[A]

You said inter shit. Inter shit is shit between two other pieces of shit shit.

[B]

Yeah, I think there's more of that, but I think that the stakes are higher and that makes it less fun. Does that make sense? Like, I think the right wing, the right is as like psychotically online as the woke left. But I don't think it's for the most because they have power and like it is institutionalized in the federal government in a way. And yes, like there were attempts to do some of the same stuff when Biden was in office, some of it. But the Trump administration has been so effective at seizing control and using it and they're so online and like implementing some of the elements of the worst of the online right. Like JD Vance is a fucking incel. I mean he's not an incel, obviously, but he has that like that right wing online ethos. And when you have.

[A]

He says he does. I don't really know what he believes.

[B]

Well, that's why like the stuff about like the, the Haitians eating cats, like all of that stuff being institutionalized in the White House, like it's, it's not. I mean it's funny, but it's so dark. Funny It's Right, right. It's like, I'm gonna kill myself. Funny.

[A]

Right, well, same with like. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[B]

No, go ahead.

[A]

One of the biggest far right figures right now. He's not like, strictly speaking far right. He's just a moron. But like clavicular. So there was this, this.

[B]

I don't think he's even political. He's. He's.

[A]

Well, no, he was chanting about Hitler in a car with.

[B]

Yeah, he. Yeah, but he also. That he would. That he would vote for. For Gavin Newsom over J.D. vance. Because Gavin Newsom mogs. And J.D. vance is subhuman.

[A]

Sure. But I. PJ Vote did a really good episode on that with Jasmine's son, who's a really good reporter on like all things Bay Area. And there was Joe Bernstein. A lot of good journalists covered it. Joe Bernstein did something for the Times. And I was like reading and listening about this guy Clavicular, who. Who's very much in our wheelhouse of like super online bullshit. And I'm just like, yeah, same as you. Like, I'm gonna blow my brains out. This is so fucking dark. Clavicular, who, like, has a huge audience among teenage boys mostly.

[B]

I'm a fan.

[A]

He's the most. He's so devoid of. He's empty. He's. He's just devoid, full stop. Whereas I think a lot of good bar pod characters, like, they're a little bit more complex than that. Like a lot of them are opportunists or we'll throw other people under the bus for power. But that's like very human stuff. They're human beings. Is JD Vance still a human being? I don't know. Is Clavicular a human being? Definitely not.

[B]

So, yeah, I think the other thing is. So those stories. So you mentioned Clavicular. Clavicular. We did an episode on Clavicular right after he started to go viral for that. Insane.

[A]

Talked about him a little.

[B]

Yeah, no, we did a. We did a full segment on him.

[A]

A full segment. I just. In terms of like, we'll start continuing.

[B]

Okay, so my point is someone like that. So yes, this is the Bone Smasher. So someone like that. He's getting covered in right wing main or I'm sorry, in mainstream media immediately. Whereas, like the blow ups that we talk about, that we were more talking about. And we do still. We still do these stories, but. But a lot of them are completely ignored by mainstream media. And like, are we going to do a good job as good a job on a Clavicular story as The New York Times sending Joe Bernstein to his parents house in wherever or his apartment in Miami and like going out with him while he's live streaming at the club. No. So I think that's where. That's where it gets a little bit trickier is that a lot of the right wing online stuff is covered but by these big institutions and these great reporters. Whereas a lot of the stories, the, the like woke. Love stories, they ignored it. And that was a huge advantage to us. And we don't. We just don't have that advantage as much today.

[A]

Asuka says, Jesse, if you saw the Red Scare Girls today, would you still get all flustered? I don't think I ever got.

[B]

Oh, come on.

[A]

You would ever fluster.

[B]

When we were in la, when we went to. I don't know if you were flustered, but every man we. So we went to this. This was in the Free Press was doing this debate on.

[A]

Just say it. There's no way to not sound douchey. We were at the roof, the rooftop after party.

[B]

We were at the after party of the Free Press thing. And every man was like. It was like moss to a flame, like, surrounding Dasha and Anna. And the funniest part was that there were. They smoke cigarettes, of course, and they're like. And they're men, like, like trying to bump cigarettes from them just to be near them, which I like. I'm telling you, like, no woman is like, yes, this dude. Like, unless she's already into you, that's not a good technique. Like, she doesn't want to give you her cigarettes. But so I saw men who like very clearly had never smoked a cigarette before. They're like holding it. Yeah, yeah, like holding it between like a pinky and a ring finger, trying to look cool and get near them. You didn't smoke to your credit.

[A]

But I told you my. I told you my story, which was I met a kid. A kid. A guy, A journalist I hadn't seen for a long time. Actually a long time ago, intern of mine. And we were catching up and he was saying like he really wanted an invite to get introduced to Dasha. I, like, I didn't really know them, but I helped facilitate the intro. And then apparently they talked for a while and then Dasha just all of a sudden is like, are you gay? And he's like, yeah. And then.

[B]

Is he.

[A]

Yeah, he's not gay. Sorry.

[B]

No, he should have just lied and

[A]

said, yeah, he's a straight man. But then she's like, you are gay. You just don't know it yet and walked away. Which is the most, like, aloof, like Red Scare, but they've gone so fucking crazy. That's the other thing is like, this sort of. We've talked about this, but, like, head. I don't know if they're heterodox. They were heterodox. There was a time when, like, you know, the Atlantic would. I'm making this up. But the Atlantic has a story where the headlines like, why your teenage son is a rapist, even if he isn't, or something like that. And there weren't a lot of people who could just openly say, maybe that's done. And it was. It brought a lot of relief to listen to them or the Fifth Column. And then Fifth Column didn't go crazy, but a lot of other people really went crazy. Although Bret Weinstein is now apologizing. Well, did he apologize?

[B]

He didn't apologize? No, no. He. No, he said, I'm not going to apologize for voting for Trump. He did the. And then he. And then he followed it with some conspiratorial thing about justifying his vote for Trump.

[A]

Someone said, cool. I just wanted to. Someone said, cool story, Jesse. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Should we. Should we take another question? Do you guys want to see Moose again?

[A]

Let's see Moose again. Okay, here. I'll handle this question while you do this. Are the Celtics a legit title contender With Jason Tatum back? How does Vucevich's injury affect your outlook, if at all? Of course, these questions are for Katie. The Celtics are a contender to get to the finals. The Vucevic injury barely matters. If the Celtics get to the finals, they will probably lose to whoever comes out of the west, but I think it could be a good Series K. Did you agree?

[B]

Yes. Do you see how Moose and I are holding hands?

[A]

Moose is so cute.

[B]

Yeah, he is really cute.

[A]

A dog randomly wandered into my garage yesterday.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

That's not very good garage security.

[B]

No, it's not. Okay, more questions. All right, what else do we have? Do you have the page pulled up?

[A]

Oh, wait. I started making my own Google Doc with the. You mean the questions from subset?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who won the pigeon wars? We know I won the pigeon wars.

[B]

You're with you. How did you. Oh, wait, no, you. You.

[A]

You nuts.

[B]

Nuts. He caught them in an east river,

[A]

and then I tortured them to death for information. Okay, wait. I'm going back to the subsect page to make sure I didn't miss questions.

[B]

Someone said, what's with this weird episode? They're really phoning it in guys. This is not an episode. It like every, we do one of these, these lives somebody will complain. This is not an episode. This doesn't take away from your unbelievable. I promise you we are still, you're still gonna get your like prepped episodes this month. This is not an episode. This is a casual chat between two business colleagues who sometimes like each other and sometimes don't depending on Jesse's period.

[A]

Okay, my cycles.

[B]

Yeah. Have you, Jesse, have you considered peptides?

[A]

No. Have you?

[B]

I'm considering it now.

[A]

Which, what's your stat? What's gonna be in your stack?

[B]

I want collagen. That's like the main thing is I want my face to stop aging. Moose is trying to leave. He doesn't like it when I talk about peptides. He's like they're not FDA approved. So I, and I do find them, I find.