Episode 556 - Ralph And Vicki Cianciarulo || The Old Guard Of Hunting

Summary

Podcast Summary: Blood Origins Episode 556 - Ralph and Vicki Cianciarulo || The Old Guard of Hunting

Introduction

In Episode 556 of Blood Origins, released on May 6, 2025, host Robert Arrington welcomes veteran hunters and media personalities, Ralph and Vicki Cianciarulo, to discuss their extensive 40-year journey in the hunting industry. Known as the "Old Guard of Hunting," Ralph and Vicki share their insights on the evolution of hunting, the challenges posed by modern societal changes, and the critical role of conservation in sustaining the hunting legacy.

Background of Ralph and Vicki Cianciarulo

Ralph and Vicki Cianciarulo have been influential figures in the hunting community since launching their first TV show, "Archer's Choice," in 1985. Over the decades, they transitioned from producing hunting videos and DVDs to broadcasting their adventures on television, carving out a niche that combined storytelling with practical hunting experiences. Their dedication not only fostered a loyal following among hunters but also paved the way for future generations to engage with the hunting lifestyle.

Notable Quote:
Ralph Cintarulo [05:25]: "We just want to go hunting. We got to keep the other venues of marketing and promotion to this younger crowd because we're planting seeds."

Evolution of the Hunting Industry

Ralph and Vicki reflect on the significant transformations within the hunting industry over the past four decades. Initially, their focus was on creating authentic hunting content for a dedicated audience through seminars, conventions, and video releases. However, the advent of the internet and social media has dramatically shifted how hunting is perceived and practiced. They emphasize that while traditional methods catered to a specific hunter demographic, modern platforms expose hunting to a broader, more diverse audience, including those unfamiliar or opposed to the practice.

Impact of Social Media

A substantial portion of the discussion centers around the profound impact of social media on hunting. Ralph and Vicki express concerns that instant sharing of hunting experiences can lead to misunderstandings and misinformation about hunting practices. They highlight how real-time posting can inadvertently showcase illegal hunting activities, despite strict regulations requiring tag applications and ethical hunting methods.

Notable Quote:
Vicki Cintarillo [20:13]: "Social media didn't exist. You didn't have to worry about people drive, walk around everywhere with cameras all the time."

Conservation and Wildlife Management

A pivotal theme in the conversation is the essential role hunting plays in wildlife management and conservation. Ralph asserts that hunting contributes to better habitat preservation and species management, emphasizing that assigning value to wildlife through hunting ensures their longevity and health.

Notable Quote:
Ralph Cintarillo [53:41]: "What makes any speaker successful is to read your audience and go with the flow."

Vicki adds that responsible hunting practices, such as not wasting harvested animals and adhering to game laws, further reinforce the conservation efforts tied to hunting. They advocate for hunters to actively participate in conservation initiatives and support organizations that prioritize habitat and wildlife preservation.

Challenges and Pressures Facing Modern Hunters

Ralph and Vicki discuss the increasing pressures on hunters today, ranging from rising permit fees to heightened anti-hunting sentiments fueled by misinformation. They point out that the commercialization of hunting, especially the influencer model driven by social media, has led some individuals to prioritize fame over ethical hunting practices, sometimes resulting in illegal activities.

Notable Quote:
Ralph Cintarulo [42:54]: "Social media has created it. It's out there, more public and people, more people are hungry and want to be the Robbies or the Ralphs and Vickies."

Additionally, they express frustration over internal disputes within the hunting community, where differences in hunting methods or equipment can lead to fragmentation rather than united advocacy for hunting rights and conservation.

Advocacy and Recommendations for Hunters

To address these challenges, Ralph and Vicki stress the importance of unity within the hunting community. They argue that hunters must present a cohesive front to effectively advocate for their rights and influence policy decisions that affect hunting regulations and conservation funding.

Notable Quote:
Ralph Cintarulo [65:17]: "We need to stay as one group. We cannot keep fractioning ourselves off between dog hunters, for deer, or bear hunting."

Vicki echoes this sentiment, urging hunters to become more active in governmental processes to counteract increasing permit fees and restrictive hunting seasons. They also emphasize the need for hunters to support ethical hunting practices and engage in responsible wildlife management to maintain the integrity of the hunting lifestyle for future generations.

Conclusion

In their closing remarks, Ralph and Vicki urge the hunting community to embrace responsible hunting, support conservation efforts, and present a united front against external pressures and misinformation. They advocate for celebrating hunting achievements, educating the public about the true nature of hunting, and ensuring that the values of conservation and ethical hunting practices remain at the forefront of the industry.

Notable Quote:
Ralph Cintarulo [66:11]: "We have to embrace this and we have to stop the fighting amongst ourselves. If we do that, we help make a difference."

Key Takeaways

• Legacy and Evolution: Ralph and Vicki Cianciarulo have significantly influenced the hunting media landscape over 40 years, adapting to industry changes and embracing new platforms while maintaining authentic hunting practices.

• Social Media's Double-Edged Sword: While providing broader exposure, social media also poses risks of misrepresentation and facilitation of unethical hunting behaviors.

• Conservation through Hunting: Responsible hunting is portrayed as a vital tool for wildlife management and conservation, ensuring sustainable populations and habitat preservation.

• Unified Advocacy: The hunting community must unite and actively engage in advocacy to protect hunting rights and influence conservation policies effectively.

• Ethical Practices: Emphasizing the importance of ethical hunting, including adherence to laws, responsible harvesting, and support for conservation organizations.

Final Thoughts

Ralph and Vicki Cianciarulo’s insightful discussion underscores the necessity for the hunting community to adapt to modern challenges while steadfastly upholding the principles of conservation and ethical hunting. Their call for unity and responsible advocacy aims to preserve the hunting legacy for future generations, ensuring that hunting remains a respected and sustainable practice.

Transcript

[Ralph Cintarillo]

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[Robert Arrington]

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[Vicki Cintarillo]

Hey, what's up happy people?

[Robert Arrington]

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[Vicki Cintarillo]

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[Robert Arrington]

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[Vicki Cintarillo]

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[Robert Arrington]

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[Vicki Cintarillo]

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[Ralph Cintarillo]

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[Vicki Cintarillo]

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[Robert Arrington]

You will not regret it. Ralph and Vicki Cintarillo are the husband and wife team that have been essentially the old guard in the hunting industry space. They first started their first TV show, Archer's Choice in 1985. That was almost 40 years ago. So I wanted to have Ralph and Vicki on because number one, we've developed a pretty good friendship and I also wanted to just get their insights. You know, it's very rare that you have somebody be in an industry space for so long and so I just wanted to ask them questions about what have they seen change and what have they seen in terms of the pressures of the hunting community space and influences and people doing illegal things. And it was just a, it's just a really fascinating conversation to dig into sort of, you know, their mindset about the history and the change that they've seen in the hunting industry space over time and how, more specifically, how they've had to adopt a different mentality because instead of just speaking directly to hunters through seminars and conventions and DVDs back in the day, now they have to worry about the 60% and the anti hunters really also in terms of their messaging that they're putting out there. So thoroughly enjoyed it. I know you will too. So there's a reason why I started Blood Origins and that reason is simple, that I wanted to convey the truth about hunting.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It brings awareness to non hunters that.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It'S more than just killing animals.

[Robert Arrington]

How do I start it?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Brittany?

[Robert Arrington]

My name.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Does my hair look okay?

[Robert Arrington]

My name is Mike Axelrod. Start again. Yeah, I hated it, too. Braxton, you said something in the car to me. You said that you were living on borrowed time. There's a perception around who hunters are, what we're supposed to be. And a feminist that works for a non profit, that is a hunter that has only eaten wild game for the last 20 years is likely not the thing that people think about when it comes to a hunter. I didn't say this off here, but you guys are in trouble because you're in Trinidad, right? Yes, I'm gonna. I drive through Trinidad once a year.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Stop by.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Come on, buddy. We got lots of room.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

We have rooms.

[Robert Arrington]

I. I get. I'm very fortunate. We get given, I think, three cow elk tags every year from Trinchera.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Okay.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Really?

[Robert Arrington]

Which is between, what's it, Washtenburg and Fort Garland.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Walsenberg.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yep.

[Robert Arrington]

Walsenburg. That's it. Walsenburg and Fort Garland. Yep. And so I typically drive in because we've got coolers and stuff like that, and I have to drive through Trinidad up and over.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

So stop by.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yep.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Before, as I say, we're. We're five miles off the I25.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Before you hit Trinidad.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Robert Arrington]

All right. You got a date. My man and my. And my lady.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

We got. We got the room.

[Robert Arrington]

Oh, perfect. Ralph and Vicky, I did get your last name correct in the intro to your kids. Centaurullo.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

That's it.

[Robert Arrington]

All right. It doesn't. It doesn't spell that way, but it sounds right. Right.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Well, it's in Italian. It's ciangirulo.

[Robert Arrington]

Oh. Just like me say in. See, German, it's Kroger. And here in America, I say Kroger. Just like the supermarket.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

There you go.

[Robert Arrington]

They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they look at my id. They're like, you own Kroger? And I said, I say, number one, I wouldn't be shopping here if I did. And number two, typically they catch my name in, like, airports and stuff. And I said, I wouldn't be flying Delta if I did.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, right. I have my own.

[Robert Arrington]

So. Ralph and Vicky Cinterella, welcome to the Blood Origins podcast.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Thank you. Thanks for having us.

[Robert Arrington]

Our pod, our paths crossed in Atlanta, I believe, for the first time.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yes.

[Robert Arrington]

I think I've seen you before. Probably never had the courage to introduce myself. Because you're famous, right? You guys. That's the whole thing, right? That's the. Why don't we just start there what gives with this whole like, I want to be famous and I want to kill things. I know that's a tough question to.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Start from our perspective or what's going on now?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll put it in real quick terms. I'm an Italian from Chicago. I loved bow hunting and I figured I had to come up with a scam so I could afford to go bow hunting. And what it was is started filming, had an archery shop, started actually making hunting videos. And then Vicki came into the shop one day with her ex boyfriend.

[Robert Arrington]

Was it the next boyfriend? At the time?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Long story.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Anyways, and you know, it just. She and I got together and. And at that time there were no couples hunting, you know, especially making videos. And we were fortunate, hit a little niche. And from the videos went to DVDs, from DVDs went to television.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

But. But it goes back to. We did television and videos and stuff because we love to hunt.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And it was a way for us to go and do a whole bunch of hunts that we would never be able to do on our own because we didn't have the money to do that. So we use that as a marketing thing. Nowadays though, I think people think that it's cool to hunt because you think you're gonna become famous.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

See what I'm saying?

[Robert Arrington]

But don't. Don't. I want to. I want to. I want to catch something. You said earlier and you said you think there's a difference between today versus when you guys started and you guys have been in the game for how long now? 30 years.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Oh, yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

At least. She started filming in 85.

[Robert Arrington]

Okay. So almost. Yeah. This is year 40. 20, 25. 1880. 18. 18, 85.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Oh, no, not. Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

He's that old.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I'm dead.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

He's that old.

[Robert Arrington]

1995. 1985. Sorry. Yeah. 40 years. Do you. How many other people do you think are still around that are the old God? Can I dare I call you the old God? But that's fine. Look, guys, I'm a hunter, right? And when I go hunting, I like to figure out how to get my trophies back home as expeditiously as possible. Well, you don't have to look much further than Safari Specialty Importers. We know that trophy importation can be quite a headache. That's why Safari Specialty Importers strives to make it as easy and hassle free as possible. They have access to a bonded warehouse. You won't be charged storage fees and you get a dedicated team that's readily available and Will update you at every step in the process. They'll even go one step further. Safari Specialty Importers is working with us at Blood Origins and they are going to donate $100 from every shipment that they work with to conservation projects that include anti poaching, community development and wildlife conservation. At the end of the day, choose to spend your money with a team that's dedicated to you and is dedicated to helping show how hunting is a great conservation model. Hassle free logistics, fuel and conservation go with Safari Specialty Importers. Did you know that in 42 states it is 100% legal to buy a suppressor and protect your hearing? Silencer Central pioneered the simplified silencer buying process. It allows you to buy a suppressor online or over the phone. You go through all the paperwork with a certified expert and that suppressor ships directly to your front door. I don't even believe it, but I've done it and it's come to my door. You can buy a suppressor and have it shipped to to you. They offer the best in service, a suppressor expert to make sure you get the suppressor you want. And from there they take care of everything. They take care of the paperwork, the applications to the atf. They even set up a free trust if you want one. And if you don't have the money, put down an interest free payment plan. It's incredible. You get access to your own customer portal online. It tracks your progress. So why not go get started today? Go to silence central.com or call 866-811 6536 and with today's fast approval times, you're actually going to be shocked at how quickly your suppressor arrives at your door. Bushnell has been a longtime supporter of Blood Origins and in keeping with the spirit of our collaboration, we've come up with an amazing idea. Bushnell is eager to help you get set up for conservation success. That's right. They want to help you. The conservation and research community is dominated by good people doing good things and investing significant time and effort for the benefit of habitat and the species. So what do you need to do? Pretty simple. Send us your conservation story and or your conservation wish could be managing whitetails. Could be understanding your environment or species or something else related to conservation. What would you be able to do if you had a great trail camera setup? We will select the best story every other month and send you a camera bundle. Cell camera, normal SD camera, SD cards as well as optics. Everything you need to get set up for success. I can't wait to see what you submit. You can email [e-mail] DM US. Message us whatever you want. We are not hard to find. Good luck.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

There's still some old guard out there.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, I'd say there's a handful of them today. You know, as you know, I mean, it's changed where there's a multitude of ways of getting yourself out there if that's what you want to do. Before it wasn't that way. It was, you know, possibly writing, which no one understands anymore. You know, writing articles, getting that exposure.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I was at seminars at different, like consumer shows, the deer classics and the Midwest and stuff like that.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But as you know, those, those have even gone to the wayside. You know, when we first started speaking at all those, I mean, it was.

[Robert Arrington]

Packed, but it was the only place that you could hear somebody like that. Right.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

You didn't have YouTube, you didn't have that crazy Internet stuff that we have nowadays. You didn't have it back then. So you had to go to the different consumer shows, to the deer classics and the expos to go and listen to someone and ask someone an actual question.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, I mean, it wasn't. The availability wasn't there, period.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

No.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

And if, you know, hopefully you had some type of support either in the magazines, you're going to laugh at this one. But radio or, you know what I mean, or what personally helped me was a gentleman by the name of John Hussar. He was the outdoor writer for the Chicago Tribune and that was a syndicated newspaper. I don't even know if it's still around, to be honest with you. But the big thing was he started on. On his Sunday columns. He was writing about my bow hunting adventures because I was going to, you know, we were going to go into public land hunting and, you know, was fortunate being successful. And when he'd write about that, it just helped to keep things, you know, moving on for me. And it was just today there's, I mean, it's. Everything's at one button, you know, it's at your fingertips where it wasn't that way back then.

[Robert Arrington]

So honestly. And again, we're very authentic in what we do. You know that from me. You've seen me and you interacted with me. I want to pick up again. Another thing you said, Vicky, was we didn't do this for, in the beginning, for the infamy.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

No, we didn't.

[Robert Arrington]

You did it mainly, and dare I say this selfishly to like, I want to go hunt that, that musk ox in Greenland. I can get someone to pay me to go do this amazing hunt that I've always wanted to do.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yes.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And. And we're a marketing company.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

That's what it boils down to.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

What it boils down to. But it was because we wanted to go to different places. You know, I mean, we, we've been blessed to be able to travel all over the world, but it wasn't. We didn't go and go shoot a brown bear in Alaska so that we could get a whole bunch of likes. It was because we wanted to. It was on our bucket list. You know what I mean? Like nowadays though, it's like this insta famous thing. Like you go out there and do stupid things and win stupid prizes and then you get a lot more likes and followers.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Pretty accurate.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. You know, let me ask this question and I don't know if you've considered this or not. I think one of the, one of the. How do I couch this? One of the black marks against the hunting industry. Dare I say, you guys are in that hunting industry, I. E. You know, the commercialization of a hunt for someone to look at. Is. Is it bad to commercialize killing an animal? Because you. So what you started by saying was we're doing this just because we love to hunt. But at the end of the day, you are a marketing company and we are commercializing that element of it. Which is, which is really. I think they're killing something.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Absolutely. I mean, here's what. It's a great question because you are monetizing. You are. You definitely. You are. We are. You know, a lot of people are doing that. I think the most important thing or critical thing is, is what is the message you're portraying? You know, what are you trying. If it's a frickin ego, total destruction. If, if you can't turn around and say, listen guys, you know, you see this and it's wonderful. But you know, reintroducing the gray wolf, it. This is. This shit's all gone. It's all gone. If, if we can't at least utilize the, the platforms that we have, I. I think we're in big trouble, you know, and, and if you. Today more so than anything, and you may not, you may not agree with this, but. And that's okay. I love.

[Robert Arrington]

I like it. Yeah, I like it. It's hiring.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I hate trophy hunting. I hate that word.

[Robert Arrington]

Let me ask this. You've been in the field. You live both American and international. Okay. Do you hear people say I'm going trophy hunting in America.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It'S a good.

[Robert Arrington]

Question, because I don't, I don't hear people saying, I'm going trophy hunting for a grizzly bear.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I, I, I think you hear them say trophy hunting. When. If someone's slamming you on, online on, that's, oh, you're only trophy hunting. And, but you're right, we don't say, hey, I'm gonna go trophy hunt.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No, you might, you're right. Because, Ral, it might be coming more from the other side, you know, inserting that into our thought process. But everywhere you go, you know, when you, when you, you know, when we're all talking together is, you know, you have, it comes up and, you know, a long time ago, we were, we were being interviewed, and we, we're asked to quit. I was asked a question, and they said, you know, Ralph, you guys, you guys don't name your deer. You know what? I'm, you know where I'm going with this? You know, oh, that stickers or that's, you know, that's who. However you name your animals. And I said to him, and it popped in my head at that moment, and I said, well, yeah, I said, when I was growing up, I said, one person named their deer. And they sat back and I held, I reserved for saying it for a minute, and they said, well, who? And I said, walt Disney, I said, and it almost shut us. Shut hunting down, I said, because we gave a personality, a humanized personality to an animal. And I thought that was wrong. And I, to this day, I still think it's wrong. You know, I, I think hunting is a, is a complete. And I. Am I speaking. Yeah. No, we think hunting is a lifestyle. You know, it's not just going out and killing that animal.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It's creating better habitat. It's understanding conservation. It's trying to play a big part into such a small, minute part of this world.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It's family time.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It's available. Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It's camaraderie. It's everything. And then the last bit of it is if you actually pull a trigger and, you know, hopefully you come home and you fill the freezer. I mean, honestly. Because that's, we don't go looking at it, as you said, like trophy hunting, which is true. That's not something that you actually.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No, you hear it overseas more than you hear it here, I think.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. And I think, like you do, like in Africa, people, if you go to the alphas, the outfits will say, you know, you've got a trophy list. Right. That's the list. It's not an animal list, it's a trophy list. And they'll say, yeah, we've got some great trophy hunts available. That's where I hear it a lot. And that's where I think that the, the, the, the moniker has been bized a little bit. I think the Africa, specifically. Really?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Well, there's a trophy fee.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, trophy fee, right.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I mean, even here in the States, you'll hear outfitters go, well, there's a, there's a trophy fee if, if he's 150 plus or if he's, you know, I mean, if he's 400 plus, there's an additional trophy fee.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, you know, maybe we're maybe our own self destruction when it comes to that. Using that word. I don't know. Let me ask this. You guys have been around for 40 years. What is something that, in the beginning. And I think I know the answer to this, and there's probably a couple of, like, what did you. In the beginning you didn't worry about at all, and now you worry about.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Social media.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, social media didn't exist. Yes, I understand. Yep.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Did not exist. You didn't have to worry about. People drive, walk around everywhere with cameras all the time. You know, honestly, it was an easier life, I think, back then. Yeah, I mean, we, we talk to people about different things. Like, you know, if someone says, oh, you know, I want to go hunt Colorado for elk, can you give me any information? Well, back in the day, Ralph would say, yeah, here, you know what, call the Colorado fishing game parks or whatever, you know, ask them for the, you know, how many. What, how many, you know, what's the elk quality? What's the elk numbers looking like in this unit or in that unit? And now you're just like, yeah, you know what, you go online, you type in, you know, Colorado game and Parks or whatever it's called now, because they combine the two and it's, it's easier to find information out that way. So, I mean, that. That's a benefit for sure. That, that's not something that.

[Robert Arrington]

And you got tag application fees. So you know, agencies and services and stuff like that.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yep.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

You know what else? I think, I think back then we hunted and we didn't care what we looked like. If your hair was a mess, if you didn't have the same patterned pants as you did. We weren't Gucci. We were.

[Robert Arrington]

Are you saying you're Gucci today? That's. This is a, this is a compact. This is a comparison Thing, Ralph.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No, no, no, no. You're not Gucci. Listen, look at me. Am I Gucci? Hell, no. They would have threw me out a long time ago. This is a. This is a face for radio. But no, if you know what I mean. I mean, back then it was wool, it was flannels, it was, you know, and then you transferred. We transferred into like, tree bark. You know what I mean? And you went into the stages of the different patterns. And let's face it, you know, a lot of it's made for the human eye, not the. Not the. The nature eye. I mean, and. And you know, you didn't have your bow, did not match your quiver, that matched your stabilizer, that matched your gloves, that matched your face mask, your hat. It wasn't all the same. It was, you know, you pieced together stuff to go hunting because that, you know, there wasn't an array, an assortment.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Heck, back then, there wasn't even women's.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

There wasn't women.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yeah, go buy men's clothing.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

You know, it was all hand me downs.

[Robert Arrington]

What about the. What about the requirements from the companies? So your Bass Pro is one of your sponsors, right? Bass Pro, Cabela's Today, obviously, it's a different world, right? They want X amount impressions. They want X amount of views. They want one. One. What was it like then? Like, what did they want then?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

They wanted good hunting for television or for videos. They wanted you to be seminars. For seminars. You know what I mean? They actually would have us do a seminar series or circuits. And, you know, you'd go from here to there every weekend. We were booked. And, you know, we're not complaining. It was great, you know, but the thing was today the new term is deliverables. So they want deliverables. They. You see a trend that, you know, TV is not as important. It's, you know, they don't value it. But what we always go back on, Robert, is here's the. You know it just like we know it. The average hunter is a lot older than we think. You know, upper 40s, even 50s on up. They have the expendable income to go to Africa, to go here to New Zealand, to go here in the States to elk hunting, moose hunting. This younger crowd that literally just lives on the. On their phones. They. The majority of them aren't going to have that money for many years to come. So they. You'll see. Like, good example. Let's let. We're going to head to the Yukon. We're going to get on the plane to go to Whitehorse the average person is going to be in their mid-50s on up. If there is a young one, it's probably going to. Because. Because it's a father and a dad. I mean, a father and a son, right, going together and dad's paying the bill or the son made money and he's taking his dad. But the reality of it is is they're still older. So, you know, TV is still relevant because that older consumer still sits in their favorite living room on their favorite leather chair recliner, and watches whatever, you know, whatever they prefer to watch. But we still have to. We have to keep the other venues of marketing and promotion to this younger crowd because we're. We're planting seeds. It's just like a, you know, a mother and father taking their kid hunting for the first time. They're planting a seed and they may lose them. The stat. All the statistics show that, you know, the kids, all of a sudden, when the boys chase the girls, the girls chase the boys, you know, you know what I mean it, that you lose them. But then when they start to maybe start, you know, settling down in their lively careers in their life, their lives.

[Robert Arrington]

In general, they come back.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

They come back, and that's so important. And today there's so much thrown at them. Oh, my gosh, just. Just scroll through with your thumb and you're like, oh, I didn't know this. I didn't know that. The only thing that scares me is how much of it's true. We have so much fake news out there. You know what I mean? And, and also these bow experts or gun experts or hunter, you know, hunting experts, and you, you know, you, you got to do your research to make sure that these people really do have a good foundation behind them, that they really did do what, you know what I mean? Instead of claiming what they did. But if they don't have a foundation and they haven't done it and they haven't hiked the mountains and they haven't crawled through the swamps and they haven't done all this. Are they just getting information from the, From Google?

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Well, and the other thing too, you got to look at is that because everything is so instantaneously, everyone has a phone. You know, back in the day, we would film on the big cameras, go back, throw it on a computer, do. Or when Ralph was originally doing it, he was dex, you know, from a one VCR to another VCR to back and forth to edit stuff. But now everything is so instantaneous, some people don't think. And that's hard because once you put it on the Internet, it's on the Internet, you're not getting it down. Someone's going to save it somewhere that fast. And there's so many things that people do when they shouldn't be doing it and it makes us as hunters look horrible and they don't think a thing of it.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Well, great, great point. We had a good friend of ours up in Illinois, sergeant of the, you know, division of wildlife, okay, he told us they were making more, writing more tickets and arrests from the Internet. They had six, a six team member, just watching the Internet, not even going out in the field because, good example, your state, let's just say, let's just say here or Colorado, Illinois, I don't care, Florida, wherever, Texas, that states do not. You must tag your animal before you immediately, immediately recovery. Well, you're happy, you're pumped up your buddy and you throw the deer up on the buggy, right? You hurry up, take a couple pictures, boom, post them right away.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And you get intentional.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

The law, you just broke it. Now is it a great law? Maybe not. But the reality of it is you just made a public record of doing something wrong.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, that seems like again, I wouldn't, I don't know when those rules and laws are made, were they made before social media or not? You know, it's a kind of gray area when it comes to stuff like that. But totally get what you're saying. You know, I think people post stupid shit and, and I've been, not me personally, but somebody tied to things that we've done, you know, did a, did a video. I'm a hunter. I want to show people my hunting journeys and my escapades and wanted to become this influencer. And I got sent screenshots of this public video saying that's my property he's on and that's my boundary. You see in the background, you see that line? That's my boundary. I know he's picking up a deer on my property. And I was like, stupid is as stupid does.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yep. Yes sir.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Absolutely.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Robert Arrington]

So let me ask this, did you. Because I don't think their voice has changed. The anti hunters voice has changed. Did you hear any anti hunting sentiment in the. In, you know, 85, 95.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

You know what?

[Robert Arrington]

And if you did, how did you hear it?

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I would have to. So if you think about, I was going to go back to when you, you went to Idaho, Portland, Oregon. Portland, Oregon or Sorry, sorry. And they were, they were, had all the ranchers out. You were going in to go Talk to somewhere.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah. I was going to go do a seminar. Yeah. For their sports show. And I saw. And I was. The. One of the guys from the. From the. I think it was the archery club actually picked me up from the airport. But we're driving and I look at all the. And I was like, oh, crap, man. You know, PETA or human.

[Robert Arrington]

I.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But I saw all the posts. I didn't read them, but I was like, oh. And I was like, well, here go. Here it goes again. Well, lo and behold, it was the ranchers and the hunters because they were trying to shut down cat hunting.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. Oh.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

And I was like, holy crap. Wow. What a difference, you know?

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But, you know, when I got out and then someone, you know, sort of recognized me and we started talking and, you know, they said, ralph, you know, do you own a cat? And at the time, I'm not a cat guy. Okay. But I picked up a cat on the mountain. Elk hunting one time. Was a little kitten, and we had a cat. I threw it in my pack, you know what I mean? Took it home. But I said, yeah, I do. He goes, if I put that cat in a garage and put 10 mice, he goes, you know, how long you think it would take for that kill? I said, well, probably catch one, eat it. You know what I mean? So it take a few days. He goes, no. He goes, ralph, that's not what cats do. Just like wolves. He said, they kill. He said, so as it jumps on, one kills it, and another one runs by, it jumps off that one and tries to catch that one. He said, and now we're trying to turn around and tell, you know, shut down cat hunting, which, you know, anytime that we interfere with wildlife and we don't manage it, we get into a bad situation, just like we are right now. And it made sense, and I understood why, you know what I mean? But that was the reverse of your question, you know, as far as pulling up somewhere and saying, oh, my God. We had people, I mean, literally send us letters back then. Yeah. You know, you had people like, it'd be funny at the consumer show, Rob. We'd have. We. We had the big screens and we're showing hunts. And what was funny back then? Distributors. Video and DVD distributors. The first thing they ask you when your new release. How many kills? That's what they asked. Because that's what sold.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. Because you were selling directly to hunters, right?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Correct. Yeah.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. Because then that's okay. Hunters want to see that. It's just like, absolutely no.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yep. But and that's why I, I think back then, like your question earlier, you know, we didn't care, you know what I mean? Because it wasn't going out to the pub, general public, it wasn't going to that 60% because we got our 20% that, that live this lifestyle. You got 20% that are totally against it, but you got that 60 that always walk the line that are they for it today and they're against it tomorrow. You know what I mean? So we didn't have that as much. But you would watch.

[Robert Arrington]

The other side didn't have it as much either. No, no, that's the other thing. The other, the other, the other side only had the Sarah McLaughlin ad at night that old granny was watching because she was still up in her rocking chair. Right.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Asked for the money. Yeah.

[Robert Arrington]

And so the 60% in the middle, I totally agree with you. I think the 60% in the middle back in the day 90s, you know, I grew up in the 90s. I didn't, I didn't know about hunting. I didn't care about hunting. I didn't have an opinion about hunting. It didn't come across my mind and come across my feet. Nothing. There was no. There was, it was. And the people who hunted like you guys went to hunting conventions and actively sought out DVDs. Right? Now the anti hunting establishment doesn't have to seek out anything.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Right.

[Robert Arrington]

It's laid on a, on a, on a public slabber the entire time, a pulpit all the time. And they just go, oh, we'll take that and we'll push it to make more money. We'll take that and we'll make more money. We'll take that. You know.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Oh yeah, you know, we lived through it years ago when Ontario, remember they were shut down spring bear hunting.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Bear hunting, yep.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

And a, a very rich guy took a, took, they took a clip and they were running it as a commercial and it was of a bear with a sow with cubs up in a tree. Well, and they show this guy shooting and the sow falls out of the tree. What they didn't show was the real aspect of it. It was a dart gun that they were tranquilizing the bears. But again, that's media buddy. That's. And you know that this, that's what they do. They use a clip, they manipulate it or a word or you know, a statement. They manipulate it to fit their agenda. And that's what they did. And literally, I mean they won. But then they realized that the economic impact to shutting that down hurt their economy. And when you hurt someone's pocketbook, then they start taking a real look and understand the scientific facts and the data and the. And they bring it back because they truly do know that hunting and management is an absolute positive tool for the future.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. Do you think. Let me, I'll. I'll couch the this second question later. Were you before the advent of social media and I know you've just mentioned it on the dvd, he's like, the guys came up like, how many kills did you have? Right. How many kills do you have on it? Did you feel pressure at that time for your hunts to be successful?

[Vicki Cintarillo]

So I was gonna say one of the things that we've always said and we truly believe, we wouldn't just say it just because we wanna say it is that if hunting ever feels like it's a job, then we're gonna stop. We truly love going out and spending time in the woods. The pressure wise, we just want to do the best job. If we're hunting with an outfitter, we just want to do the best job for them to help. We always market them. But we always just want to be out there in the woods and enjoying it all.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But, but let, you know, let's be.

[Robert Arrington]

Totally pressure with a camera and you're developing something.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

That's what I said. Let's be totally honest. I mean there's always a little pressure. You want. It's like freaking a football player or a golfer. You want to do the best that you can. You know, I mean, but in hunting, just like possibly fishing, you know, anything to do with the outdoors, you're. There's an element there that you cannot control.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Right.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No matter how much you try. And that's where people get in trouble. They try to do too much and sometimes go against the rules to make that performance. If you as an individual put that pressure and we never did. Don't get me wrong, it stressed us out. There were time fills. I was like, you know what I mean? Like, I can't believe we couldn't seal the deal. Damn it. I remember years ago with Wade up, up in Alaska. Renfro's was one of the first show. It was the first show I think maybe even on. On television that we aired a show. We didn't shoot something. We were brown bear hunting and we got socked in with weather off the barren sea. Vicki and I in a two man tent, you know what I mean? Our guide for like 20 days. Yeah, 21 days.

[Robert Arrington]

Oh, I know it must be horrible to be next to your wife for 20 days in a two day tent. I get it, Ralph. I get it, I get it, I get it.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Stuff like that.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

We started hunting together. I'd much rather be in 21 day 2 man tent with her than with you. You know what I mean?

[Robert Arrington]

Exactly.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But we aired that show and we.

[Robert Arrington]

Asked Wade, how many times had somebody aired at that time were Pete, was it common for people to air shows with nothing being killed?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No, no, it wasn't. Because then honestly, egotistical. Oh yeah, you suck. You didn't kill something. Well, we did. We, we did, you know. Yeah, we did suck. No, but, but I mean, you know, and we, we were, we asked Wade and Wade said, guys, I know you'll do a good job. You know, do it. Wade to this day still says he got so much. He got tremendous feedback because they, people were just, you know, letting him know how real it was. And that's, you know, that's. If you, if you truly portray hunting real, that pressure won't be as severe as others who think it's an egotistical trip. You know, you know me, oh man, I got got to shoot 190 inch buck. I got to do this or I got to do that. It's got to be gold medal or whatever it is. It's got to be, it's got to have this status. You don't. If you portray hunting as it truly is. You know, I guess I go back to always saying for people because we've had, you know, you've had a discuss just like you. We have to talk to that 60%. You know, forget the 20, they're always going to be against.

[Robert Arrington]

When did you, when did you make that decision to do that?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

To do what?

[Robert Arrington]

What you just said, talk to the 60%.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

When?

[Vicki Cintarillo]

A while ago?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yes, a long time ago. That's why when we entered, when we, we were. I was known as a bow hunter. That's how I, I grew up. I didn't grow up gun hunting at all. Okay, well then when Vicki, you know, we started doing it and all the bow hunting, but we aired a show this is like in 2004. But we even had this mentality way before that. But it was a show. We went Dall Sheep hunting in Alaska. Bow hunting, buddy. We couldn't get within 120 yards.

[Robert Arrington]

Okay.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

We just couldn't. So the outfitter flies his cub into us on day 11. Now it was a 10 day hunt, but he said if you guys can try to stay. And he gets off his plane and he says put that Effing stick and string down, take the gun and go kill. You guys have never been here for she. Go kill some sheep. Go hunt the sheep.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And mind you, for 10 days on that hunt out of, would you say eight of those days, we saw two legal doll rams. But they were always, they were farther than120. They were 200 yards every time. But we saw them almost every day. But they were just. We were hunting in the wrangles. It wasn't bow hunting. It wasn't, it wasn't conducive for bow hunting. I mean, we messed around grizzly bears.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

So we took the gun, hiked six hours, something like that. Straight up got above him.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I thought RJ was going to be an orphan on that one. On that day, I promise you, I.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Shoot the first ram. He just one shot. He tumbles down. Vic, the next ram that we, you know, the, they were the same together. That one hooks and stands in the sun. Perfect. I'm behind the camera. Vicki got on the gun, she shoots. And in four minutes we were done. And we po. We aired that show at. Under Archer's Choice. We got bombarded. How dare you? You guys weren't sheep shape. You weren't this, you know, you saw in all this.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

You showed a rifle hunt on Archer's how dare you?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

And was like, buddy. That's when it hit us even harder that we as hunters are cannibalistic to our own. We, you know what I mean? We, we, we saw it. And that's what made us introduce our second show called the Choice. And the Choice is real simple. We don't care with what you hunt, how you hunt, if it's legal, shut up and go hunting. So, so, so that's where, you know, but way before that, way beyond that, you know, I, I, I saw it personally because when I started including Vicki, I was getting people that, I won't say their names, wrote articles at the time. You know, we're, we're well, well versed, you know, in the hunting community. And they're saying, ralph, what are you doing? Why are you doing this, man? This is a guy's thing. And I sat back and I said, no, guys, you're wrong. I said, moms are with the kids way more than we are. If mom at least, even if she doesn't hunt, but if she understands it more, it's more acceptable. Maybe the kids, mom will say, you know what, you guys, you guys need to go with dad. You need to go hunting. And especially if we get mom hunting and she sees it I said it's a win, win for everybody. We got generations continuing this lifestyle, but if it's just strictly a guy's thing, we're screwed.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. In. Do you. In. In the, in obviously the changing of times and the changing of distribution strategies and the rise of more, I would say more of a commercialization of hunting. Right. With the whole like influencer model. That is what we live today. You've probably been around people who have, because of pressure that we've talked about, have pushed the envelope into illegality because they feel like they needed to. Okay. In your opinion, are we. Are we facing more of a crisis in that today than you guys did in the beginning? I don't know how I would answer if you're me.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

If you mean by do we feel that there's more people doing that and feeling the more pressure and doing more illegal acts to. Yes, yes, I agree.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Just because social media.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Absolutely. Social media has created it.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It's out there, more public and people, more people are hungry and want to be the Robbies or the Ralphs and Vickies or. You know what I mean? They want to be it. So they think that's.

[Robert Arrington]

Robbie's a terrible hunter. He doesn't post any of his hunting shows because. Or hunting episodes because I'm notorious for not hunting very well. So don't lump me in the category with the legends like you, my man.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

No, but there are, there, there are people out there and. And again, it goes back to it. It's that social media, that instant gratification. They think, well, you know, no one's going to notice. Like you made the comment, well, that was my property and that's my property. Mine. Well, no one's going to notice I'm out on 400 acres. No one's going to know that I jumped that fence and went and filled my tag there.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But hey, bring up a name, okay?

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I'm not bringing up any.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No, I am. I will bring it up. There was a guy and it could be in the 90s. I might be off a few years. His name was Don Lewis. He wanted. He presented a proposal to the archery industry. He was going to break all the world records and he already had shot some big animals. Well, so he was doing videos and he offered a dear friend of ours, Andy Simo, who started new archery products, Thunderheads and Spitfires and all that. He. Andy showed it, showed me this proposal and I was like, andy, how could somebody tell you that they're going to break the world records? You know, I mean, with a bow I said, unless they're shooting them in a fence or they're buying them. How do you. How do you do that?

[Robert Arrington]

All they're spending 360 days a year, you know, spending 25 days or 30 days looking for a moose. That's world record class kind of thing.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

And they're hiring people to do, you know, do most of it.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Well, in reality, Rob, somebody recognized some of his footage off a video and center punched him right where he was in Yellowstone national park with a giant bull elk, big mule deer and everything else.

[Robert Arrington]

Jeez.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, yeah. So he got busted. So I guess. I guess where I was going with that is back then, it was there too.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It just wasn't so public.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Wasn't so public. It wasn't so instantaneous. Boom. On a screen in, you know, in five minutes.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

So I. It was there.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. I think. I can't. I don't know what it. Actually there is a. There's a term. I think it's. Maybe it's Occam's razor. Maybe there's a term for what that is, which is people say, oh, you know, calamities around the world are increasing. No, not really. We just didn't hear about them before. Right. You know, there's. There's more of this around the world. There's more of that. It's like, not really because we just. We just learn about them now. It's like instantaneous. That we can hear about it 24.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Hour a day news channels.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

If you remember Jimmy and Linda Taliart, friends of ours from South Africa, met him in 93. Great people. They made a comment to us once, remember that? Yep. That in our country we talk about crime, it being crime. Right?

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But if. If our country is talking about things going on in Africa, it's violence.

[Robert Arrington]

Oh, okay.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Just the same thing.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It's the same thing.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

So there was a murder in Chicago, but it. It's a crime.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It happened. There was a murder. There's a crime in Chicago. But if someone were to be murdered in South Africa, in Joburg, there's violence.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And it was, you know, and now you've got it 24 hours a day. I mean, they still don't even talk about how violent it is in a lot of the big cities. It's just crime.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

No.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. It's crazy. You know, one of the reasons I'm asking all these questions is ties to RJ and Aubrey's podcast that I did with them, because I feel like they're almost at a Disadvantage if they're going to. And I'll say that, I'll explain why I say that. I think people who want to hunt for a living and afford to have a, a lifestyle tied to it, like you guys, when you started, it was very, it was a lot easier. I'll say easier and again.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Right.

[Robert Arrington]

In general, in general, because there weren't any, There wasn't like huge pressures around you and there wasn't all of the things that we have to deal with today. There were other pressures, there were other things that you have to worry about. Right. But not totally germane to the anti hunting rhetoric or probably more germane to an RJ and Aubrey is the internal hunting industry community politics and viciousness that it is. And so one of the things that I told them. Well, actually before I tell you what I told them, I, I'll, I'll ask you the same question I asked them, which is, you've been around for 40 years. What do you think is going to save hunting for the next 30 for RJ and your grandson one day to be potentially a part of it?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I'm, I'm, I gotta stay back with exactly what I've been doing my whole life with it is understanding the value that wildlife management, the tools it plays. I mean, if, if we put a value on an animal, we increase its lifespan because you know what I mean? If we can seriously learn more about each one of these animals and their habitat, well then we can create better habitat like we're doing. You know what I mean? So many people are naive and I say this because they don't understand at dsc, Good example. Conventions, you know, a lot of these big conventions and you hear it online, but you don't hear it anywhere else because it, we don't, we don't say it to anybody else. We're so afraid to say we're a hunter. We are. You know, you're like, oh, I'm just gonna, it's like saying you're. I don't want to tell them I'm a Republican or a Democrat. You know, I don't want to tell them I like Elon Musk where I. You know what I mean? Oh God, they'll burn my vehicle.

[Robert Arrington]

No, I mean, funny you say that. I, One of the analogies I use when it comes to hunting and hunters, if you had to rewind the clock 10 years in the gay and lesbian communities. The gay and lesbian communities were in a closet, right? And they like to stay there. They were just like, don't, don't Worry about us, don't talk to us. We're happy where we are. Well, fast forward 10 years. The gay and lesbian community is way out in the public, super loud and proud. Everybody knows about it. And hunting and hunters are now in this closet. And every so often, the closet door gets ripped open and we get punched in the nose by something, and we come kicking and screaming at. And we're yelling and whatnot, and then we just go back in the closet and close the door.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It's. Good analogy. Yes.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

You're on. Because why. Why do most people like hunting? The solitude of it, you know, I.

[Robert Arrington]

Mean, lots of reasons. Yeah, lots and lots and lots of reasons. And I challenge people to say. When I say I don't think you like. I don't think you like hunting because you like killing. And they're like, no, no, no, I love killing. And I was like, do you? Because if you did, you'd be volunteering your time down at the local abattoir and killing a ton of. But. And honestly, you know, maybe it's more of a masculine response in saying something like that, but, you know, to me, it's funny. It's a paradox in that we hunt. The difference between hunting and hiking is hunting has a purpose in which we want to kill and we want to kill an animal. Okay. That's the difference. But paradoxically, the hunt as defined is chase, stalk, whatnot, and it's failure internally built into hunting. But when you do succeed in this thing that you love, which is killing, the thing is that you love so much is over.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah, you're right.

[Robert Arrington]

It's over.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

It is.

[Robert Arrington]

So it's anticlimactic because now it's like, oh, it's done.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yep.

[Robert Arrington]

Like, I've worked for two years, and it's done. Oh. And after that, we're like that. I'm just. I'm just. It's. It's. It's. It's a. Funny again, I. The only way I can. I can. I can frame it is. It's a paradox. And that there's this thing that we love so much, which is hunting, but this thing that's at the end, that's a kill. You have to do it to fulfill your hunt, but it's also the thing that ends your hunt, and that's the thing that you love.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Right.

[Robert Arrington]

It's difficult.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

It is. No, you're right. Because if you. If Yana. If you think about. I mean, you. And you don't go out and you don't kill something every time that you hunt, you know, that's part of the hunt. Like if you did it every time you kill, every time you went out hunting, then it would just be called killing.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

See? And if you go back, if you go back to our first, My first videos, okay, you'll hear me say, I, I killed that bear. I killed that deer. I didn't harvest it.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Right.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I killed it. Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I mean, I use the word har.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yes.

[Robert Arrington]

But for, But I'm not. I'm, I'm, I'm in the camp that I don't, I don't. I use harvest also. And here's why. I'm in the game of pr. I'm in the game of hunting pr And I'm also in the game of hunting marketing, but not to hunters. I'm in the marketing game to the 60% in the middle and the people that don't understand hunting. And so I'm going to change. It's. It's marketing 101. You change your communication style to fit the audience that you're chasing.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Robert Arrington]

And the audience that you're chasing doesn't like the word killing. And they are. They'll accept harvesting. I'm going to use harvesting. And that's not me being a snowflake. It's not me apologizing for hunting. It's just because I'm talking to a different crowd.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Well, that's what makes any speaker successful. Read your audience and go with the flow.

[Robert Arrington]

Exactly, exactly. So you said wildlife management, seeing hunting as a tool for wildlife management is going to save hunting for the next 30 to 50 years. That's what Ralph said.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

That, that, that's only part.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

That is an attribute of it.

[Robert Arrington]

Okay.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

We definitely need to grow the number of hunters.

[Robert Arrington]

Okay.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

To me, and I'm. That scares me. I just saw just today that Utah, the state of Utah, is doubling their permit fees. Doubling.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Okay. So. So now let's look at. So here we are with the rich. We're trying to have our, you know, RJ And Aubrey continue the lifestyle that we were so blessed. We are blessed to have been able to do and continue to do. And now you're telling me, I mean, from $1000 for an elk tag, it's going to be, you know, 2200. That's just for the permit. Just the permit. So now, you know, we just kicked out that 20% that does what we do. We just kicked out about 18% of the 20. And we keep doing that consistently. We do. So there is a. That to me is a con. Definitely Definitely. And I think if we could get somebody, Mr. Musk, to look. To look at our state organizations, I think we could cut out a lot and say, you know what, let's get back to letting the average human being that wants to live this lifestyle afford to go hunting.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

You know, the other thing too is when you had made your comparison about being in the closet, that is something that, I mean, even though we have a platform, we are not vocal enough to continue to try to explain, to tell people. We need more people that like to hunt, that like to, you know, shoot guns and stuff like that to go ahead and become part of the. Go, be part of it, be active within the government so that you don't have all these anti hunters running on all the boards and everything else like that, creating more costs on all the tags and making shorter seasons and all of a sudden you got non residents only can only draw tags here in Colorado for elk. Instead of being able to go over the counter, you know, I mean like you need.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

We're taking opportunities away.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Right. We all need to be more active to help this and that's something that we need to do. We have a platform to do it on and we do some.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

We can do a better job.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

We could definitely do a better job.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I don't know if you ever heard of Hunter Nation. Oh, yeah, okay. But, but you, you know, you look at what they're trying to educate, you know, the average sportsman on. And that is good example. You know, 60 some percent of the people that purchased a license in Pennsylvania didn't vote.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Didn't cast a vote.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

I mean, that's, that's huge. Like, that is one thing that we definitely, right before the election time we're out there, we're like, you guys, your vote matters. People don't think it does, but we need everyone to understand that if we want this hunting lifestyle to be around for RJ and our grandkids and maybe his grandkids, we all need to be a little more vocal. We all need to be a little more active.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

I mean, I mean we vote. I'm sorry, you know exactly what you're doing, what we're all trying to do. You look at not. I'm gonna. Zuckerberg, right, Mark?

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

You know, when he said he was going out and shooting wild boar, he said it and he got slammed, but he defended it. Now will he still defend it? I don't know. I'm not speaking for him at all. But you know, taking the food, taking. Taking the animal and bringing it to the kitchen is another aspect that can help us that can continue. Because I think, and again, I'm assuming this people are starting to realize all the crap that's in this processed food. Well, if, if all of a sudden we can start showing them man, elk, how great it is if we go to Africa. Gems, Buck Eli, you know, all of that. But, but everything that, you know, if you can bring that and show the value of that and, and you know, how it helps your whole family to be healthier, that's another plus. And that's a pro.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And the other thing too is what a lot of, a lot of people that 60%, what they may not understand is that there's game laws against. Want waste.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Like you, if you go and you get yourself an elk or a deer or whatever, you can't just let that rot. You actually have to take all that meat home. I mean, some states, Alaska, like, you have to take everything out, basically everything. I mean you, you cannot waste that meat. And why would you want to?

[Ralph Cintarillo]

But those are poachers. That's a poacher. That is not a hunter, right?

[Robert Arrington]

No, no, those are great. You know, great things about, you know, how to save, how to save hunting, like focus on the meat and focus on the management. I like it a lot. You know, obviously I come from it a little bit differently in terms of what I do day, day in and day out. And one of the things I imparted on RJ and Aubrey, it was mainly more of, I guess internal to the hunting community, but also to potential pitfalls that you know, are gonna come, but the pressures that come with what they are endeavoring in and the, the episode. And I can't remember what I said to my team, what the. Their episode's gonna be, but it's tied to what I said to them. I said the thing that's gonna save hunting is thinking. And here's what I said is thinking. And the reason I said it is this, is that at every step of the process of hunting, a hunter has to make a decision. And in that decision making process, you have to think from, is that the right animal to take? Am I going to be seen in the right light? Am I taking a picture the right way? Is the animals being seen the right way? Am I saying the right thing? If somebody comments, am I, am I doing the right thing? Back, am I saying the right thing? All of these things you're thinking about, even to the point of do I post or not post? Do I shoot or not shoot? Do I kill or not kill. Do I say things or do I not say something? It's all a thinking process by which at the end of the day, if you have thought through like the lens of the 60%, how is it somebody who's never hunted before for going to perceive what I just have done right, or what I'm about to post or what I'm about to say? Just a lens like that. And again, that's just being, that's just infusing a little thinking into your, into your day to day basis. Anyway, that's just, that's because I live that world. That's what I told RJ and Aubrey and I said, you know, hopefully little bits and pieces stick and they take it forward and they will. Yeah, I'm excited. Final words.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

On our end.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

First off, I love that you give a platform that allows transparency, that, that, you know what I mean, that you reach in to the souls of people and you, you, you, you take out what is needed to be said. But too many people are in the closet and are afraid to say number one. Number two, you know, there's so many tremendous organizations out there, dsc, you know, I mean, and the others that, that truly are conservation groups. And some people because of the name, they stray away from it because they'll, well, I'm never going to do a safari or I'm never going to hunt elk or I'm never going to hunt mule deer, whatever it may be. Right. Please give time to those organizations, research them and understand. You know, I watch, I watch TV and I watch this commercial and this organization comes up and they're asking for $19 a day to save an animal, a cat or dog. I watch next 30 second commercial comes on. They're asking for $11 a day to help save a warrior. I'm sorry, but that's effed up when we put in a cat or a dog's life in front of a warrior that has given everything to give us the honor and the privilege to live this lifestyle that's screwed up. And I think if my closing statement, I'm not hers, but mine is. Let's turn this around. Let's give thanks and when we can give money, give money to the right organizations to help those who actually do help make a difference in all of our lives.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And there's ways to research that too, make sure that when you are making the donations, the money that's going in, there's websites and stuff to find out, you know, whether it's for your conservation or if it's a Veterans organization or anything. See how much money is actually that you're donating, how much of it's actually getting used the way it's supposed to, not just to those CEOs, and it's a government rating.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Simple. Yeah, if they, you know, if they say it's 52%, that means 52% of.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Each dollars of each dollar that's of a dollar.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

You want those organizations that it's in their 90s. And so that's all. And you know, again, I think on our, you know, why, why did we, why do we have everything around the choice? And it's simple because we just want you all to go hunt. You know, don't, don't, don't degrade somebody if they're hunting a different way, you know, I mean, or with a different weapon is just look at it. And if it's legal, you know, I'm not saying you have to do it, but embrace that man or woman or those children and say, hey, high five, man. You know what I mean? If somebody shoots a small white tail buck and they post it, they're excited. We don't know any of the backstory. We don't know that that individual has been hunting public land for five years, never even seen a deer from their tree stand or ground blind, and they finally shoot the first deer and they're so happy, they post it and everyone goes, man, you should have gave that four more years. I'd never shoot something like that, man. Just say congratulations.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

And the thing is, is, with that, with you saying that, the big thing is, is that hunting community, we, like you said before, it's cannibalism. I mean, like, if I'm an archery hunter and I use a compound and he uses a longbow, you know, we're going to bicker back and forth as a hunting community. Like, like you said, whatever you use to hunt, as long as it's legal, you know, don't, don't fraction us all onto little bits. Because you know what? As hunters, we need to be one number. We need to be one group. Because then the politicians and all the laws and everything else that goes on, they're going to look at us as one big group. Not, okay, here's a muzzleloader group, but they don't like the inland, inland inline muzzleloaders, because they do that or something else. We need to stay as one group. We cannot keep fractioning ourselves off between dog hunters, you know, for, for deer.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Or dog hunter or mat hunting, for.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Bear hunting, or, you know, we got to stop fractioning apart. We need to stick together as one group for our numbers to actually count when they need to.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

Bottom line, we win by numbers.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

Yeah.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

You know, and anything, it's you. And if we continue this path that we're in, the next generations will not be able to grab their little daisy red rider and go shoot grasshoppers in the backyard because it will. It'll all be shut down. We have to embrace this and we have to stop the fighting amongst ourselves. If we do that, and I'm not, we're not going to get everybody. Right. We're not naive. We're not going to get everybody to agree. But if we increase the numbers, if we just increase them, we helped make a difference.

[Robert Arrington]

Yeah. Well, well said. Well said. Your. Your fiery speech at the end reminded me of an episode that we did with Travis Tebow and Turner called Celebrate. And his message was just celebrate somebody. Yes, Celebrate them hunting. Celebrate whatever they take. Because in their eyes, it's the best thing that they've ever done.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

So Havish is spot on.

[Robert Arrington]

Ralph, thank you so much. I appreciate you. I appreciate the development of a friendship and look forward to crashing and getting some good food in Trinidad, Colorado, sometimes.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

God bless you, brother.

[Robert Arrington]

See you guys.

[Vicki Cintarillo]

All right, take care.

[Robert Arrington]

Well, that's it for today. I appreciate you listening. As always, leave a review, share it with your friends and most importantly, do what's right to convey the truth around hunting.

[Ralph Cintarillo]

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