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Bloomberg Businessweek Host
You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Massar and Tim Stanovec on Bloomberg Radio.
Tim Stanovec
Well, it is all over social media. I feel like we're saying that about a lot of stuff today.
Carol Massar
That's what we do in the 4 o' clock hour.
Dina Caccera
Yeah.
Tim Stanovec
Tons of stories written about the FX and Hulu limited streaming series. It's called Love Story. John F. Kennedy Jr. And Carolyn Bessette. Audiences have streamed around 25 million hours of the series as of March 4, according to a spokesman for FX and Hulu. And that does include me and our producer Talia. And, yeah, probably a lot more in the newsroom. Calvin Klein's office.
Dina Caccera
Please hold.
Tim Stanovec
John M. Kennedy Jr. Is considered America's most eligible bachelor.
Dina Caccera
I wanted to be with you, John.
Bloomberg Businessweek Host
I want to introduce you to Carolyn Bessette.
Dina Caccera
Talk about the weather.
Bloomberg Businessweek Host
Carolyn, this is John Kennedy.
Tim Stanovec
Yes, indeed. Yes it is. JFK Jr well, an actor at least playing him. For those who are listening on radio, it's just the trailer from, as we said, Love Story. It is an FX and Hulu limited series. And I gotta say that as a result of this, first of all, I have read so much stuff on social media, so many articles.
Carol Massar
You know, your algorithm is a lot different than mine. What? Your algorithm is a lot different than mine.
Tim Stanovec
But it's about the fact that the
Carol Massar
only thing I've read on is this Bloomberg News story.
Tim Stanovec
This is called Yin and Yang, Mars and Venus. If you go, let's just listen, let me put this out there. Searches for Calvin Klein 90s shot up on Google Trends and the RealReal saw searches for Calvin Klein spike after the premiere of the series. It's customers looking to basically find that iconic style of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy. And she really did have a very distinct style. It was very clean, it was beige, it was gray, was black, it was very clean, very simple. And what's interesting is if you had to a Calvin Klein store, you're not going to see this stuff. Which has some asking, did the company miss an opportunity.
Carol Massar
Writing that story for Bloomberg Businessweek is Dina Cadgara, Bloomberg News consumer reporter. She joins us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Brokers studio. So what, what happened? Like, what was the, the connection or lack thereof between the series and Calvin Klein in the real world right now? And how did Calvin Klein, at least according to some critics, miss this opportunity?
Dina Caccera
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I went down to the store and talked to some people that were shopping and they encountered windbreakers, purples, color block windbreakers and things that really didn't, they felt, match up with what they were searching for in the show to try to look like who they call CBK in social media short term. And you know, Calvin Klein's trying to become more of a premium brand again. But they're kind of missing the mark. They came back to the Runway after six years, but their collection was kind of 70s and 80s, kind of missing that 90s mark.
Tim Stanovec
Yeah, I mean if you go back, I mean, and Dina, I think this was something that certainly the series does, but you go back a few years and I think in the series I saw the episode, I think it was the first episode where they're Annette Bening, they're dressing Annette Bening and Carolyn Bissette comes in and gives her a blazer and it's like perfect. But Calvin Klein is there too, because celebrities dressed in a lot of Calvin Klein. That era, it was really iconic. But it's not like it's a Calvin Klein owned business. It's under a bigger conglomerate now.
Dina Caccera
Yes, Correct. It's owned by pvh, which also owns Tommy Hilfiger and Calvin Klein and Tommy Hilfiger make up most of the brand's revenue. And they've been seeing kind of stagnant, stagnant sales. So this could have really been a moment for them to turn that around, if they capitalized on it correctly.
Carol Massar
From a fashion perspective, though. And I mean, both of you jump in here because, like, I haven't, you know, from what I've seen of the show, is that actually popular again? Or would Calvin Klein be taking a risk by saying, we think just because this show is out, people will buy this stuff? Like, is. Is that 90s look back?
Dina Caccera
Definitely.
Tim Stanovec
It is such a clean.
Carol Massar
This is a big mistake.
Tim Stanovec
It's such a clean, classic look. Right. Like, no doubt about it.
Dina Caccera
Yeah. And they're looking for. And they're still getting it from going to the actual products themselves or going to the realreal. You know, that website where you can find these actual older pieces of fashion. They want to really be Carolyn Bassett, and Calvin Klein's not giving that to them.
Tim Stanovec
Well, and what's interesting is the connection is she worked for Calvin Klein. Right. I mean, you know, one of the things that they keep showing is this, you know, Prada camel belted coat that she wore and was seen, you know, photographed in a lot of times walking the dog or with John F. Kennedy Jr. Like, camel skirts. And, you know, so it's. It's not like all she wore was Calvin Klein, but the aesthetic at that time when she did it was very clean and classic.
Dina Caccera
Yeah, 100%. I mean, you see her working in the offices there. I mean, there's a scene in the show where she, like, handpicks Kate Moss out of a stack of different models. And, you know, at the store, Calvin Klein does have these sweatshirts with photos of Kate Moss on, but the girls going there don't want to wear Kate Moss. They want to, like, look like her, you know?
Tim Stanovec
Right, exactly. And Kate Moss, if you think about, you know, she became so connected with the brand, the perfume, everything that was around it. I mean, it was an era where, you know, you think about fashion, right? There's just certain different decades where somebody really dominates, and he was certainly one of it. But you do wonder, you know, I don't know whether they didn't know the movie or the series was coming. Not the movie, but the streaming series was coming, and they just didn't do more with it.
Dina Caccera
Yeah. But even then, I mean, 90s fashion has been big.
Tim Stanovec
See, Tim. Sorry. On TV. But you're looking at Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or the actress who played her. And she's like, black turtleneck. This is from the streaming series Love Story. And so it's just clean. It's classic. It's not.
Carol Massar
I want the hat that he was
Dina Caccera
wearing all the time.
Tim Stanovec
See that?
Dina Caccera
Yeah. A lot of the men are trying to emulate JFK Jr. S fashion as well. I mean, like, he rode a bike around Manhattan. He wore this, like, backwards. I don't even know what it is. Like, newspaper boy hat. People are loving it. It's all over social media. And there are some brands that are capitalizing on it, you know, in good ways. Like, she has this headband she wears. It's a thick headband. Girls are swarming to this apothecary downtown Manhattan called CO Bigelow, which has seen the most sales of hair accessories in its 180 year history.
Tim Stanovec
All right, also, no offense, but that's also iconic, that apothecary New York City. It's a great place to get lost in. No, it's just interesting how, you know, we talk about art, culture, imitate, you know, really affecting kind of what people want to wear, what they want to buy and stuff. And this is certainly interesting. And it's, you know, as you say, maybe a missed opportunity for the Calvin Klein brand, but the brand is different. And, yeah, it's just a different time and era. Good stuff. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Joining us here in studio, of course, is Dina Caccera, who wrote the story for Bloomberg Businessweek. You could find it on the bloomberg and@bloomberg.com.
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Date: March 10, 2026
Hosts: Carol Massar & Tim Stenovec
Guest: Dina Caccera, Bloomberg News Consumer Reporter
This episode delves into how the resurgence of 90s minimalist fashion—sparked by the FX and Hulu series "Love Story: John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette"—has reignited interest in the Carolyn Bessette Kennedy aesthetic. Despite this, Calvin Klein, once synonymous with CBK’s style, appears to have missed a rare opportunity to harness the renewed buzz and drive sales, frustrating nostalgic and new fans alike. Bloomberg consumer reporter Dina Caccera joins the show to unpack the disconnect and explore what it says about legacy brands navigating pop culture waves.
Tim Stanovec (03:21):
“Searches for Calvin Klein 90s shot up on Google Trends and the RealReal saw searches for Calvin Klein spike after the premiere of the series.”
Dina Caccera (04:24):
“Calvin Klein's trying to become more of a premium brand again. But they're kind of missing the mark… missing that 90s mark.”
Dina Caccera (06:19):
“They want to really be Carolyn Bessette, and Calvin Klein's not giving that to them.”
Dina Caccera (08:12):
“A lot of the men are trying to emulate JFK Jr.'s fashion as well... it's all over social media. And there are some brands that are capitalizing on it, you know, in good ways... Girls are swarming to this apothecary downtown Manhattan called CO Bigelow, which has seen the most sales of hair accessories in its 180 year history.”
Tim Stanovec (08:44):
“It's interesting how, you know, we talk about art, culture, imitate, you know, really affecting kind of what people want to wear, what they want to buy and stuff.”
This episode captures a compelling intersection of streaming-fueled nostalgia, fashion history, and brand management. The discussion spotlights how Calvin Klein’s failure to channel the CBK wave highlights both the risks and rewards of aligning with pop culture moments. For brands, it’s a sharp reminder: knowing one’s legacy and being ready to pivot when history comes calling can mean the difference between leading a trend and watching it pass by.