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Carol Massar
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Carol Massar
It's today's big take. It's one of the most read stories on the Bloomberg Terminal. It's a business week deep dive into the department of Cerberus.
Tim Stanvak
Yeah, like you know this firm. It's a financial firm.
Carol Massar
If you're paying attention during the financial crisis then you know this firm.
Tim Stanvak
You remember them from the auto bailout and takeover of some of the auto companies. Deputy Defense Secretary Steven Feinberg wants America's war machine to get cozier with companies. The private equity firm he co founded is building a constellation of next generation businesses to answer the call. As we mentioned, it is among our most read. It is a Bloomberg big take here with more on his reporting. It is a very deep dive. Bloomberg News investigative reporter Caleb Melby he joins Tim and me in our Bloomberg Interactive Broker Studio. Quite a mission and missive I should say. Tell us about first of all, what for those who might not know what Cerberus is, but I believe that the Bloomberg audience knows but remind us kind of their history and what they're up to now.
Caleb Melby
Yeah, private equity and alternative asset manager, founded in 1992 by Steve Feinberg, who is the subject of this piece. Cerberus has been in this business for a few decades now. And in recent years, basically since the early 2000s, Steve Feinberg, who has a personal interest in national security and defense and spycraft, has really started to push them into investments that contract with the Department of Defense and are otherwise involved in what we might otherwise call the national security space. So critical minerals, supply chain, stuff like that.
Carol Massar
I don't typically think of private equity firms as defense contractors. Explain how Cerberus got there.
Caleb Melby
Yeah. So they actually appeared for many years on the government's list of top 100 contractors to the Defense Department through their ownership of DynCorp. DynCorp was the largest services firm in Afghanistan. They did things like train police forces, build barracks and similar activities. They continue to operate in acquiring companies that contract with the Department of Defense, including some new big ones, including M1 Support Services, which services aircraft and is also among the largest contractors to the Defense Department.
Carol Massar
Private equity firms, typically. Well, I don't want to say there's a typical way, but, you know, some would argue that there's a textbook sort of like depending if you're doing a leverage buyout or not. But you. You make an investment, you buy a company, you create efficiencies at the company. Yeah. Efficiencies can be a euphemism for laying people off.
Tim Stanvak
Correct.
Carol Massar
Or consolidating operations, to be fair.
Caleb Melby
Yep.
Carol Massar
Then they sell it.
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Carol Massar
And there's a return. Is that. Is that the model that Cerberus and Feinberg are using for defense companies?
Caleb Melby
It's a really interesting question, and we're starting to get some clues about that for this new wave of companies that they started acquiring and in some cases investing in, because created a venture arm as well, going back to about 2018. But one company we talk about and look into in our story is called Subcom, which lays subsea fiber optic cables. Very important right now with straight of Hormuz and everything else. They recently put subcommon to a single asset continuation vehicle. Its valuation sex tupled over like about eight years to $2.3 billion. And. And that will allow them to kind of circumvent that sort of deal lifecycle that you're talking about here. They'll be able to hold onto that asset through their funds for longer. They really care about it and they're really interested in it.
Tim Stanvak
You know, safe to say, fair to say accurate to say that we have an administration where the lines get a little Bit messy.
Caleb Melby
Yeah.
Tim Stanvak
So here you have someone who created this firm, co founded this firm, and now he's Deputy Secretary of Defense.
Caleb Melby
Yeah.
Tim Stanvak
And then he's making investment. Like, tell us how that works.
Caleb Melby
Yeah, absolutely. So coming into the Defense Department with Steve Feinberg are four other guys who have worked with him on these types of investments at Cerberus. He's created a whole team within the department that includes these Cerberus guys. They're in several very important roles. One is running the newly created Economic Defense Unit, and the other is running the Office of Strategic Capital, which has a $200 billion lending budget to help onshore America's critical mineral supply chain and other important investments at the same time. Over here, Cerberus is in the process of acquiring, building, and investing in a lot of companies that do business with the Defense Department.
Tim Stanvak
How does that work? And to be fair, just because something looks like it's very connected doesn't mean that there's anything going wrong. I want to be fair about that.
Caleb Melby
But, yeah. Our story documents a few places where things are overlapping. So the US Is behind in hypersonic weapons and hypersonic technology. Cerberus owns stratolaunch, one of the premier companies for testing hypersonic technology in America. And they're playing part of the role to catch up to that. So they're getting new government contracts in real time. And the US has also been interested in a while now for creating essentially what some people call a Huawei killer, finding a way to onshore communications technology back to the US and create an AI native 6G network. And Cerberus also owns a company that is enmeshed in this kind of syndicate and of companies, most of them much bigger, Nvidia, Booz, Allen Hamilton, that are working with the Defense Department to develop that technology as an America first technology.
Carol Massar
One point that you make in your piece is that this isn't really new to Cerberus and at least in terms of, like, being a defense contractor, owning companies that are defense contractors. In 2010, as your piece points out, they were the 11th biggest U.S. defense contractor. Why has it waxed and waned so much? Is it tied to politics at all?
Caleb Melby
It's tied to some of their. Their biggest defense contractors that they hold. So DynCorp, when they bought it, was already getting into a lot of trouble with the government. Allegations of overbilling the government, allegations of shoddy work. And Cerberus bought it basically as like, a classic turnaround effort. Can we clean up this company and everything else but U.S. u.S. Intervention in Afghanistan obviously went away. And instead of winning new contracts, Dyncor lost a lot of contracts. So you saw Dyncor's revenue fall and then you saw them sell Dyncor. And from what we can see, we don't have 2025 data from the government yet, but from the companies they bought in 2024, it looks very likely they'll start to reappear on those lists in the future of the biggest contractors.
Tim Stanvak
A lot of questions. There's a lot in here and I highly recommend everybody check it out online. But it's just kind of fascinating to track. And you do, you know, there's questions of oversight, right?
Caleb Melby
Yeah, yeah. I mean, really, what we have in Steve Feinberg is a guy who cares a lot about America's competition on the global stage and invested as a private businessman to do that. And now he's leading with a lot of the same strategies and a lot of the same focuses and a lot of the same people on the other side of the equation.
Tim Stanvak
Yeah, as, as they say, Department of Cerberus, but within the government, we barely scratched the surface.
Carol Massar
Check out the story. It's got incredible visuals.
Tim Stanvak
Yeah. And a lot of information. It is the Bloomberg big take. It is among the most read stories and it is by the amazing Caleb Melby. He's Bloomberg News investigative reporter joining us here in studio.
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Podcast: Bloomberg Businessweek
Hosts: Carol Massar, Tim Stenovec
Date: July 29, 2026
Guest: Caleb Melby, Bloomberg News Investigative Reporter
This episode delivers a "Big Take" on the intersection of private equity and national defense, zooming in on Cerberus Capital Management’s deepening involvement in Pentagon business. Bloomberg News investigative reporter Caleb Melby joins Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec to unpack how Cerberus—now led in part by Deputy Secretary of Defense Steve Feinberg and fellow firm alumni—is reshaping US military procurement, investment, and strategy using private equity playbooks. The conversation examines Cerberus’s history, its evolving government relationships, high-stakes investments, and the ethical and strategic questions raised by the blending of financial interests with national security policy.
On the new Pentagon-Cerberus dynamic:
“What we have in Steve Feinberg is a guy who cares a lot about America’s competition on the global stage and invested as a private businessman to do that. And now he's leading with a lot of the same strategies and a lot of the same people on the other side of the equation.”
– Caleb Melby [08:36]
On the unprecedented nature of Cerberus’s influence:
“As they say, Department of Cerberus, but within the government, we barely scratched the surface.”
– Tim Stenovec [08:54]
This episode highlights the deepening entanglement between top private equity players and US defense policy, using Cerberus as a case study in how strategies honed on Wall Street are infiltrating the Pentagon. With firm alumni now wielding substantial federal power, the ethical lines and potential oversights take on sharper significance, especially as Cerberus lays claim to an even bigger role in the future architecture of US military technology and supply chains.
For in-depth visuals and expanded reporting, the hosts recommend reading Caleb Melby’s full story on Bloomberg.