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Episode: Charlie Kirk Killing Suspect Arrested on Murder, Weapon Offenses

Date: September 12, 2025
Hosts: Carol Massar & Tim Stenovec
Notable Guests: Josh Wingrove (Bloomberg News Senior White House Correspondent), Axel Merck (President & CEO, Merck Investments), Ed Ludlow (Bloomberg Technology), Alan Lance (Alan B. Lance and Associates)

Episode Overview

This episode covers breaking news on the arrest in the Charlie Kirk assassination case, the political ramifications and legacy of Kirk, analysis of ongoing political violence in the US, as well as updates on major economic and market developments. Also featured are segments covering the gold market’s surge, the implications of Elon Musk’s new Tesla pay package (and ongoing talent wars at Apple), and timely investment advice for current market conditions.

Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Charlie Kirk Assassination: Arrest and Political Fallout

(02:03 - 09:05)

• Suspect Arrest:
  The suspect in the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk is identified as Tyler Robinson, 22, of Utah. Arrest followed a family member’s tip.
• Kirk’s Legacy:
  Josh Wingrove highlights Kirk as a hugely influential figure in conservatism, especially via his leadership at Turning Point USA and strong early support for Donald Trump.
• Political Reactions:
  • Outpourings from Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy, and others; Trump announced arrest before authorities confirmed it.
  • Uncertainty about Turning Point USA’s future without Kirk.
• Polarization and Calls for Restraint:
  • Carol Massar laments continued political violence:

    "We just feel so broken, Josh, in a moment of tragedy." (04:42)

  • Josh Wingrove on partisan reactions:

    "President Trump himself is not really among those calling to take down the temperature. He has said he supports nonviolent action, but he also called Charlie Kirk a martyr..." (05:25)

  • Trump is focusing on violence targeting Republicans, omitting attacks on Democrats.
• Broader Concerns:
  • Parallels to prior attacks on lawmakers (Steve Scalise, Gabby Giffords) and recent political violence.
  • Noted concern about foreign actors “pouring gas on the fire” via social media, though specific links to this incident aren’t confirmed yet.

    "Essentially bot armies are pouring gas on the fire, for lack of a better phrase." (08:28)

2. US G7 Sanctions Push & Russia

(09:05 - 11:39)

• Sanction Strategies:
  The US urging G7 to ramp up pressure on Russia—potentially including secondary sanctions on China and India for buying Russian oil.
• European Dilemmas:
  Allies weigh support for Ukraine against their own economic and political considerations.
• Trump’s Posture:
  Trump signals waning patience with Putin and continued advocacy for secondary sanctions.

  "President Trump continues to advocate for these secondary sanctions ... that's pretty uncharted ground, pretty untested authority." (11:17)

3. Gold Market Rally and Dollar Outlook

(14:00 - 19:53)

• Market Overview:
  Gold is up nearly 40% YTD; central bank buying, geopolitical uncertainties, and ETF inflows supporting the surge.
• Expert Analysis:
  Axel Merck attributes the rally to dovish monetary policy and concerns over “debasement” of fiat currencies.

  "If something is this volatile on the way up, there's always a risk on the downside ... but I happen to believe that a wrench has been thrown into the engine that we call the exorbitant privilege." (15:23)

• US Dollar Discussion:
  • Question of whether the dollar’s global supremacy is waning amid digital currencies and international fragmentation.
  • Merck clarifies:

    "Stablecoins are US dollar base. I think that's supportive of the dollar, if anything." (17:57)

  • Predicts greater fragmentation in global systems, possibly benefiting emerging markets.
• Investment Choices:
  • On gold vs. miners:

    "I do both. I haven't sold any of them ... The gold miners tend to be more speculative ... the physical gold ... tends to be more of a diversification play." (19:33)

4. Tesla Board Chair Interview & Elon Musk’s New Pay Package

(22:03 - 31:58)

• Board’s Endorsement:
  Tesla Board Chair Robin Denholm affirms Elon Musk is essential to lead Tesla through its coming decade:

  "Our view is he's a generational leader. There aren't any other people out there like Elon who can actually lead the company..." (22:28)

• Political Activity:
  Board is “relaxed” about Musk’s potential political involvement.

  "It's up to Elon Musk what his political activity is." (24:41 — paraphrasing Denholm)

• Compensation and Board Process:
  Denholm describes a negotiated package with mandatory requirements; shareholders to vote on it Nov 6.
  • Criticism about the Tesla board being merely a "rubber stamp":

    "The criticism from all kinds of investors ... is that it's a rubber stamp board that just does what Elon Musk wants." (27:36)

  • Elon’s aim is increased voting power to steer Tesla further into AI, not just EVs.
• Broader Industry Talent War:
  Connection drawn to Apple’s top AI/search exec, Robby Walker, leaving amid a talent exodus.

  "Apple is one of the losers of it, let's be honest. Based on the reporting, Meta is paying over the nose to get people." (30:58)

5. Markets and Investment Strategy Roundtable

(34:34 - 42:30)

• Market Sentiment:
  • S&P, Dow trending lower into the session's close; Nasdaq holding gains.
  • Lingering investor bullishness despite volatility.
• Alan Lance’s Take:
  • Recommends partial profit-taking in names like Oracle and Nvidia, redeploying to lagging dividend stocks (e.g., Johnson & Johnson, Pepsi).
  • Believes cycle is in the "sixth inning"—not near the end but not early.

    “I think we're about in the sixth inning ... we're more than halfway through. So those people loading up and chasing the AI plays, I think, you know, you gotta be nimble enough to get out in time." (36:24)

  • Sees continued opportunity in undervalued sectors, is not advocating moving to cash as in prior major peaks.
  • On risk management:

    "You can still buy so you don't have to be in cash ... you could be defensive but still have companies that have dividends ... are trading at historic lows." (40:39)

Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Charlie Kirk's influence:
  “He was arguably the most influential conservative of his generation ... It's hard to really put into words ... Kirk's influence is just so big.” — Josh Wingrove (02:50)

• On political violence:
  "God, we just feel so broken, Josh, in a moment of tragedy." — Carol Massar (04:42)

• On escalation of rhetoric:
  "President Trump indicating that he ... worries or is treating this as part of a larger left wing effort ... There’s no evidence yet from investigators ... but President Trump thinks it is growing ..." — Josh Wingrove (02:50)

• Foreign manipulation concerns:
  "Essentially bot armies are pouring gas on the fire ..." — Josh Wingrove (08:28)

• On gold as a diversification:
  "Gold historically is one of the things that does well in the Easing environment especially also as well if we were to have a more severe correction of stock market." — Axel Merck (16:52)

• Tesla leadership rationale:
  "Our view is he's a generational leader. There aren't any other people out there like Elon who can actually lead the company ..." — Robin Denholm, conveyed by Carol Massar (22:28)

• On Tesla board independence:
  "The criticism from all kinds of investors ... is that it's a rubber stamp board that just does what Elon Musk wants." — Ed Ludlow (27:36)

• On current stock market cycle:
  "I think we're about in the sixth inning ... you gotta be nimble enough to get out in time, that's for sure." — Alan Lance (36:24)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:03] Charlie Kirk assassination, arrest, and analysis — with Josh Wingrove
• [09:05] US sanctions push on Russia, G7 geopolitics
• [14:00] Gold market rally and dollar outlook — with Axel Merck
• [22:03] Tesla Board interview on Musk's pay, board independence, talent wars — with Ed Ludlow
• [34:34] Market wrap & investing advice — with Alan Lance

Episode Takeaways

• The assassination of Charlie Kirk has intensified political polarization with both sides framing the narrative to their constituencies. There are increasing calls—largely from outside the Trump orbit—to "cool down" rhetoric and prevent further violence.
• Gold is surging amid an easing Fed, global uncertainty, and weakening dollar, though experts caution about volatility and suggest both gold and miners as portfolio diversifiers.
• Tesla’s board reaffirms Elon Musk's unmatched suitability to lead in an era defined by AI, but criticism lingers about board independence. The broader tech talent war is fierce, with Apple losing senior staff to rivals.
• Despite strong market performance, volatility and high valuations justify profit-taking and a shift toward stable, dividend-paying stocks.

Summary prepared for Bloomberg Businessweek listeners and those seeking insight without having heard the full episode.