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Episode: Germany Leads Military Buildup in Greenland in Response to Trump
Date: January 14, 2026
Hosts: Carol Massar, Tim Stenovec
Notable Guests: Ed Price (NYU & former British trade official), Matt Hornbach (Morgan Stanley), Karen Kimbrough (LinkedIn), Mike Townsend (Charles Schwab)

Overview

This episode dives into geopolitical and economic developments driving global uncertainty: the weakening of Russia’s influence, America’s growing use of military power abroad, Germany's emerging role in European military affairs, the Supreme Court’s delay on Trump-era tariffs, U.S. labor market trends, and shifting dynamics in executive-White House relations. The panel of expert guests unpacks the risks and implications for international security, U.S. economic policy, and business leadership amid fast-changing headlines.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Russia’s Waning Global Influence and US Hard Power (02:04–07:26)

• Authoritarian regimes (e.g., Venezuela, Cuba) are discovering Russian security guarantees are less reliable than expected.
  • Carol Massar: “Venezuela's officials think their security relationship with Moscow was a paper tiger…” (02:18)
• Venezuela’s leadership shift leaves it with little choice but to pursue US partnership.
• Ed Price argues the US and allies are making assertive strategic moves reminiscent of scenarios previously considered only in a World War context.
  • Quote: “We’re fighting battles now that we would otherwise be fighting in a future World War III. … That’s very uncomfortable.” (03:20)
• Western powers have shifted from information wars (lost to disinformation) to direct, forceful engagement.
  • Quote: “Now we've realized that we can't fight as an open economy… against authoritarian disinformation. We're using hard power.” (04:57)
• The risk of conflict escalation with Russia or China is present.
  • US is making moves on the global chessboard without waiting for adversaries to act.
  • Ed Price: “It’s good until it’s bad.” (05:42)
  • Possible scenarios: deterrence could either make China hesitate on Taiwan, or push them to act faster before their strategic window closes.

2. Middle East: Iran, Israel, and Regional Realignment (08:08–10:52)

• The panel discusses President’s hesitancy to attack Iran and ramifications for global oil and regional stability.
• Ed Price contends a US/Iran conflict would likely be air strikes, not ground war, and reflects on the strategic folly of past US interventions.
• Israel’s aggressive moves against Iranian proxies have shifted the regional balance.
• Quote: “Israel has played its hand very expertly… I think if the KSA got on board, we would see a shift and ultimately… a new Middle East.” (09:38–10:24)
• Achieving calm in the Middle East may hinge on neutralizing Iran’s regional influence.

3. Germany’s Military Buildup in Greenland (11:10–11:40)

• Germany is leading European military deployments to Greenland amid transatlantic tension following the Trump administration’s push for control over the island.
• Ed Price advises against US intervention, warning that doing so could rupture alliances:
  • Quote: “It would be as dumb and as stupid and as destructive for us to go into Greenland. It would rupture our alliance with the EU.” (11:10)

4. Tariffs, Supreme Court, and US Economic Policy (14:51–22:54)

• The Supreme Court once again postponed ruling on Trump-era tariffs (IPA tariffs), prolonging uncertainty for US and global businesses.
  • Matt Hornbach (Morgan Stanley): Direct reversals of tariffs are unlikely; a nuanced, middle-ground ruling is expected. (15:45)
  • Biden or Trump could repackage tariffs under existing authorities if needed (Sections 232, 301, 122).
• Potential requirement for congressional approval could reinstate checks and balances in trade policy.
  • Implications of potential refunds from tariffs are considered: “There are already bilateral agreements… [Trump] can ‘repackage’ the tariffs under different authorities.” (17:04)
  • Matt Hornbach emphasizes possible refund scenarios mainly affect companies, not households, and are not likely to be inflationary.
• On Federal Reserve independence: Even a Trump-appointed chair cannot act alone—the committee system and market reactions impose additional constraint.
  • Quote: “The market is kind of the checks and balances on any Fed.” (22:33)

5. Labor Market Data & the Impact of AI (24:06–29:04)

• Karen Kimbrough (LinkedIn): Labor market is stable but slow, with hiring up 6% month-on-month yet still 20% below pre-pandemic levels.
  • Quote: “It's still really competitive for job seekers… twice as many applicants per open role as, say, three or four years ago.” (25:51)
• AI is beginning to reshape demand for skills, creating new roles that require specialized knowledge.
  • 1.3 million new jobs related to AI in areas like development, integration, and AI communication/storytelling.
  • Gen Z increasingly sees skilled trades and content creation as attractive career paths.

6. Executive Strategy Amid White House Policy Volatility (33:14–43:36)

• Mike Townsend (Charles Schwab): CEOs are becoming more selective in how—and whether—they respond to presidential pronouncements, given the volume and unpredictability of policy signals.
  • “He [Trump] just says a lot of stuff over the course of any one day… I think companies are doing a better job… not overreacting to every single pronouncement.” (34:20)
• Fed independence is seen as critical; even with a new chair, committee structure preserves decision-making balance.
• CEO wariness about speaking out stems from uncertainty and the threat of retribution from the White House, as illustrated by Exxon’s skepticism regarding Venezuela investments.
  • “It just doesn’t benefit your company to necessarily be in the headlines for a couple of days.” (41:09)
• Markets and executives are adapting, focusing on substantial policy changes rather than rhetorical noise.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ed Price, on US power projection (03:20):
  “They messed around and they found out... the United States and the west more broadly are fighting battles now that we would otherwise be fighting in, in a future World War III. And I think that's very uncomfortable.”

• Carol Massar, on the shift in alliances (02:18):
  “Venezuela's officials think their security relationship with Moscow was a paper tiger…”

• Ed Price, on global chessboard strategy (05:42):
  “It's good until it's bad.”

• Ed Price, on Greenland intervention (11:10):
  “It would be as dumb and as stupid and as destructive for us to go into Greenland. It would rupture our alliance with the EU.”

• Matt Hornbach, on tariff legal strategy (17:04):
  “[Trump] has other authorities...to take some of the emergency tariffs […] and kind of repackage them under these different authorities.”

• Karen Kimbrough, on AI and labor (27:12):
  “AI is starting to have an effect on the labor market...1.3 million new roles related to AI.”

• Mike Townsend, on business adaptation (34:20):
  “He just says a lot of stuff over the course of any one day… companies are doing a better job… not overreacting to every single pronouncement.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:04–07:26] Russia, Venezuela, and the New Face of Hard Power
• [08:08–10:52] Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and shifting Middle East politics
• [11:10–11:40] Germany's military role and the Greenland question
• [14:51–22:54] Supreme Court deliberations on tariffs and economic/market implications (Matt Hornbach)
• [24:06–29:04] US labor market and AI’s growing impact (Karen Kimbrough)
• [33:14–43:36] Executive leadership strategies and navigating White House volatility (Mike Townsend)

Tone & Style

• The conversation is analytical, pragmatic, and occasionally wry, with panelists careful to hedge predictions around global strategy and US policy choices.
• Frequent references to historical analogies underscore the uncertainty and potential gravity of current events.

Conclusion

This episode weaves together global security, changing alliances, US domestic policy volatility, and business strategy into a cogent analysis of how markets, leaders, and workers are navigating disruption. Listeners are left with a sense of high stakes, ambiguity, and the need for vigilance and adaptability amid persistent political and economic crosswinds.