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Episode: Schwab Agrees to Buy Private Share Platform for $660 Million
Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Carol Massar & Tim Stenovec

Episode Overview

This episode covers the breaking news that Charles Schwab has agreed to acquire Forge Global Holdings, a leading private share marketplace, for $660 million—a move that marks Schwab's largest push yet toward democratizing access to private markets. The discussion expands to implications for investors and advisors, the shifting regulatory landscape, and the interaction between Washington and Wall Street. The episode features in-depth interviews with Schwab CEO Rick Wurster, Macro Strategist Kevin Gordon, Schwab Advisor Services’ Kayla Culver, and Schwab's Washington policy expert Mike Townsend.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Schwab Acquires Forge Global Holdings

Guest: Rick Wurster, CEO, Charles Schwab
[01:46–10:11]

• Deal Highlights:

  • Schwab acquires Forge for $660 million ($45/share), a 72% premium over last close.
  • Forge is described as the leading marketplace for private company shares—despite its stock being "down 90% off its highs." (02:52)

• Strategic Motives:

  • Goal: "Democratize access to private investing" so it's not just for high-net-worth clients. (02:17)
  • Schwab sees the private investing market as vastly larger than the deal cost and expects significance from giving "46 million clients" access. (03:38)

• Competitive Landscape:

  • The process was "absolutely...competitive"—other big names like Morgan Stanley are making moves in this space. (03:29)
  • The premium reflects the strategic value, not simply a race for profits. Rick says, "The opportunity for us in private markets is so much bigger than what we're paying." (03:38)

• Offerings for Investors:

  • Three ways for Schwab clients to access alternatives:
    1. Menu of alternative managers (private equity, venture capital).
    2. New index fund launching next year (index of 60 largest private companies, available to all investors).
    3. Marketplace for accredited investors to invest in individual private companies. (04:24)
  • "Every type of investor" will have a way to participate, depending on qualifications. (04:24)

• Client & Advisor Impact:

  • Acquisition strengthens Schwab's appeal to RIAs and high-net-worth clients; alternatives exposure at RIAs expected to grow from 1.2% to possibly 5–7%. (06:36)
  • Immediate access for some clients, with wider rollout and new fund coming in Q1 2026. (07:09)

• Risks & Education:

  • Schwab values Forge's "robust research" for investor transparency; additional support to help clients "be able to do this in a thoughtful, well-researched way." (07:40)

• Quote:

  “It was about democratizing access to private investing and helping our clients grow their wealth.” — Rick Wurster [03:38]

2. Macro Environment, Labor Market & Consumer Health

Guest: Kevin Gordon, Head of Macro Research and Strategy, Schwab
[12:03–20:43]

• Labor Market Trends:

  • October saw the "most job cuts...in more than two decades" (per Challenger, Gray & Christmas), largely tech and warehousing. (12:19, 14:08)
  • Mixed signals: "It's like the flavor changes every day." Indicators like state-level claims remain healthy, but others (Revelio Labs, Challenger) point to weak spots. (12:44)
  • Layoff announcements don't mean immediate cuts; often there's a 90-day lag. (13:45)
  • Concept of "rolling recessions": sector-specific pain rather than economy-wide downturn. (14:13)

• Consumer Spending:

  • Despite layoffs, "the stock of labor is still relatively healthy."
  • Spending is "still positive," but signs of stress are appearing for lower-wealth households (the "bottom half" of the K-shaped recovery). (15:11)

  • “The aggregate income growth month to month, assuming you stay employed, is relatively strong.” — Kevin Gordon [15:11]

• Wealth Effect & Disparity:

  • U.S. household exposure to equities is at an all-time high, boosting spending among wealthier Americans due to market gains. (16:09)

• Data Gaps & Policy Risks:

  • Data disruptions from potential government shutdowns could delay key reports, creating policy uncertainty.
  • Fed likely to err on caution due to data gaps—“driving in the dark in the fog.” (19:35)

3. Regulatory Backdrop for Alternatives, 401ks, and AI

Guest: Kayla Culver, Head of Risk & Controls, Schwab Advisor Services
[21:18–29:18]

• Anticipated Regulatory Shifts:

  • Trump-era executive order directs review of 401k access to private credit and alternatives; SEC may redefine "accredited investor." (21:18)
  • Government shutdown has paused changes, but the trend is toward broader access for retail investors. (21:49)

• Advisor Guidance & Risks:

  • Current environment is less about new rules, more about "getting back to basics" in compliance. (22:21)
  • Access to private assets in retirement plans depends on plan sponsor’s risk tolerance and philosophy. (24:08)
  • "Choice is always a good thing...as long as people are doing it smartly with the advice of an investment advisor." — Kayla Culver [24:56]
  • Risks include illiquidity and the need for investor education.

• AI Regulation & Compliance:

  • Advisors are curious/anxious about AI’s role but lack clear regulatory guidance.

  • “There’s not a lot of guidance out there for advisors...[on] how can we do this compliantly when there’s not really any guidance.” — Kayla Culver [26:45]

  • Industry pushes for principles-based, not prescriptive, AI regulation. (27:31–28:33)

• Advisor Education:

  • Schwab provides ongoing resources, webcasts, articles, and compliance consultant relationships for advisors. (28:46)

4. Washington’s Evolving Relationship with Wall Street

Guest: Mike Townsend, Managing Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Schwab
[30:47–41:41]

• Political & Market Interplay:

  • "Ten things happen in the course of our every day that people want to talk about." (31:43)
  • Off-year election results signal shifts but are heavily local; big night for Democrats is not necessarily a national referendum. (32:08)

• Generational and Ideological Change:

  • Younger, more vocal leaders emerging (e.g., NYC's new mayor), as veterans retire (e.g., Pelosi), marking transition points within parties. (34:38)

• Redefining Political Labels:

  • Traditional party lines blur; e.g., Republicans now sometimes support restricted trade/higher taxes, historically Democratic positions. (35:29)

• Government Intervention in Markets:

  • Administration’s moves (U.S. government buying stakes in Intel, discussing stakes in pharma companies) are “very strange” and carry risks; question raised if this is a move toward state ownership. (36:13–37:06)

• Market vs. Emotional Response:

  • Most emotional headlines have less impact on markets than people expect; investment decisions should separate from political emotion.

  • “A lot of what you may be emotional about isn’t affecting the markets... Remember to separate those feelings from your investing.” — Mike Townsend [38:03]

• What the Market Really Cares About:

  • Market priorities: Fed moves and independence, tariffs, tax policy—not day-to-day political drama. (40:41)

• Fed Independence:

  • Crucial for markets and country; a threat to this would be "a huge, huge setback." (41:23)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Schwab’s Deal Motive:

  "We're thrilled to be able to democratize access to private investing. This is a market that forever has been for the high net worth and the ultra high net worth."
  — Rick Wurster, CEO, Charles Schwab [02:17]

• On Alternatives for All:

  "We'll have three ways that clients can invest... an index of the 60 biggest private companies. And any investor with any wealth, if they have interest in that will be able to invest."
  — Rick Wurster [04:24]

• On Regulatory Uncertainty:

  "For advisors, it's a lot of whiplash right now... now under Paul Atkins, we're expecting to see a reduced pace of regulation."
  — Kayla Culver [22:21]

• On AI and Advisors:

  “Everybody wants to use it, but there's not a lot of guidance out there for advisors. So we get a lot of questions on how can we do this compliantly when there's not really any guidance.”
  — Kayla Culver [26:45]

• On Politics and Markets:

  "A lot of what you may be emotional about isn’t affecting the markets... Remember to separate those feelings from your investing.”
  — Mike Townsend [38:03]

Important Segment Timestamps

• Schwab buys Forge, interview with CEO Rick Wurster: [01:46–10:11]
• Macro outlook and labor/consumer health with Kevin Gordon: [12:03–20:43]
• Regulation, private assets in 401ks, AI with Kayla Culver: [21:18–29:18]
• Washington market impact, political shifts with Mike Townsend: [30:47–41:41]

Episode Tone & Style

The tone is insightful, forward-looking, and grounded in practical realities. The hosts maintain an inquisitive, sometimes skeptical, stance, pushing guests for specifics especially on investor impact, risk, and the realities of regulatory implementation. Speakers use clear, jargon-free language to make complex financial, political, and regulatory matters accessible to a wide audience.

In summary: This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the democratization of private markets, the fast-evolving regulatory climate, and the tight interplay between Washington and Wall Street. Schwab’s acquisition of Forge, regulatory changes in alternatives, the resilience and risk within the labor market, and the emotional vs. rational response to political upheaval are all dissected with expert voices and clear-eyed analysis.