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Story on the Bloomberg Terminal last week getting our attention. It's kind of where all this stuff comes together totally US States that have legalized sports betting have seen a rise in delinquency rates on consumer credit products and a decrease in credit scores. This is according to a new report from the Federal Reserve bank of New York. Here's what they said, Carol. Our findings suggest that sports betting can have dramatic implications for household financial stability.
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Yeah, this can't be good. Yeah, the author's putting that out right this week, we're sure. This comes as no surprise to our next guest to sports journalist Danny Funt. He is the author of a new book, it was out in January. It's entitled Everybody Loses the Tumultuous Rise of American Sports Gambling. We are delighted to have him here in our Bloomberg Interactive Broker Studio. Welcome, welcome. Congratulations.
Danny Funt
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Host
You know, it's kind of disturbing and blown us away, the gamification of our society and sports gambling and especially college sports like you just think these Things were sacred, and things have changed. Tell us about why you wanted to write this book. And as you kind of started to dig into it, what more kind of came out?
Danny Funt
Well, I'd been covering it for several years for the Washington Post mainly, and I felt like I was scratching the surface, particularly this fundamental question of why it was that the pro leagues went from calling gambling an evil and the deadliest possible thing that could happen to sports. That's something the commissioner of baseball said barely a decade ago.
Host
Right.
Danny Funt
To becoming the most aggressive evangelist for gambling. Had my head spinning, and I didn't feel like we'd gotten to the bottom of that. The other reason was just These brands like FanDuel and DraftKings have become household names. They're so dominant across sports, and yet a lot of us have no idea what it's like to work there, how they talk about customers behind closed doors. So spending the time to cultivate sources at places like that was of great interest to me.
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You mentioned the commissioner of the. Of the MLB. You note in the introduction that you spoke to 300, more than 300 people for this book. But the commissioners of the NFL, NBA, WNBA, NHL, and MLB all declined to participate and didn't, as did the top current executives at FanDuel and DraftKings. With that as the backdrop, what was the turning point for these leagues to say, okay, we're going to oppose something like this? To Adam Silva writing that op ed in the New York Times, that was like, it's time to legalize this.
Danny Funt
That was the turning point because his predecessor, David Stern, I've learned, was about as anti gambling as they come. So within a year of taking over for his mentor, Adam Silver publishes this shocking op ed.
Host
Yeah.
Danny Funt
That sets in motion a campaign behind closed doors where the gambling industry was trying to persuade the other leagues to get on board. And the thing that really got their attention was what gambling could do for their TV rights.
Co-host
Knew it. It's always about the media rights.
Danny Funt
Yeah, yeah. They were worried, you know, audiences aging young people not wanting to sit through three or four hour games, people canceling cable subscriptions. And thinking about that in the long term. The gambling industry commission studies from Nielsen that showed gamblers watch more than twice as many games. They watch till the ends of blowouts to see how a bet plays out when normal people have changed the channel. And so looking at that and then projecting what it would mean both in a direct sense for partnerships with these gambling companies and indirectly by growing their TV audience. The NFL, for example, was told it would make more than $2 billion every year if gambling were legalized. So this was happening before the Supreme Court struck down a federal ban on bookmaking. When they did, the leagues had already been converted behind closed doors and they were ready to cash in.
Host
You know, so where's. It's always like follow the money. Right. It always comes back to you. Like it's about making money. I mean, is this a problem that you think better regulation could change the situation or.
Danny Funt
No, it could help on a sort of incremental scale. But fundamentally, online sports betting is a beast. It's a whole new ball game. And this might sound cows left the
Host
barn or the horses left the barn, whatever the expression is. I mean, is it just done like it's out there?
Danny Funt
Yeah. And again, there are other countries and I think the US could have benefited from looking at places like the UK and across Europe and Australia that have had sports betting a lot longer than we have and have seen the damage that it does when you trust these companies to self police. So there are things that they've done that we could learn from. But the bottom line is when you make it possible to bet on thousands of things within every game in real time, wherever you are 24, 7, that is such a game changer.
Co-host
There's this really weird thing happening right now amidst the rise of sports betting and that's prediction market. So Calcium polymarket and what you can do in an environment that, you know, FanDuel and DraftKings is not legal in
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every state and it's regulated by the states.
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They get taxed, the winnings are taxed by the states. They're revenue generators for the states. That's not the same with prediction markets. So you could be in a state where you can't actually make a bet on DraftKings or FanDuel but make a bet on Kalsheet on a sports outcome. How do you look at that?
Danny Funt
The whole debate and it's not a new one because there have been a lot of companies over the years that tried to circumvent gambling laws, including FanDuel and DraftKings when they were so called daily fantasy operators. The same debate played out a decade ago. What is and isn't gambling? I think if we're being real, obviously this is sports gambling, even if it's described as trading event contracts and thus it's regulated by the cftc. From a consumer standpoint, the experience is almost indistinguishable and I think the motivation is the same. I can leverage my knowledge of sports to try to make money. And a lot of states seem to think that, and they're cracking down.
Host
How much do the companies, whether it's DraftKings or FanDuel, know exactly what they are doing to individuals? And I bring that up because earlier this week we saw Google and Meta held liable for addiction to social media platforms. It's just the start of a lot of litigation against these guys about addiction. Does that decision, in your view, from what you found out, what you've learned about these companies have implications for sportsbooks?
Danny Funt
Absolutely. I think it was one of the most striking takeaways from all the reporting I did for the book, was hearing from people in the industry about how concerned they are of the state of their business and where it's headed. There was one former executive at a sportsbook who said, when you think about it, my job was essentially to slowly bleed customers dry. And he said, if you're lucky enough to be an executive at one of these companies, you can make good money, but you don't feel good about it, that's for sure. I don't think he's alone in feeling that way.
Host
So the internal documentation, like there is a great awareness of how to make it sticky and keep people there and make it, you know, dangerous, essentially.
Danny Funt
Yeah, sticky came up. I was speaking with an executive at a company that was soon after acquired by DraftKings and they provide these so called micro bets, you know, you can now bet on will the next pitch in a ball game be a ball or a strike, all that stuff. And I said, a lot of people feel like this replicates a slot machine and it's a road to compulsive behavior. And he said, no, no, sticky. Sticky is how we think of it, that it's especially sticky. But to a layperson, that sounds like getting people hooked on gambling real quick.
Co-host
Just some of the people you spoke to who've been affected by this, who maybe weren't even doing this stuff before, it was easily to do on their phone. What was the story they told you?
Danny Funt
A lot of them just sound so relatable. You might think of a person with a gambling problem as, wow, they must be really out of control and greedy and reckless. I remember Speaking with a 5th grade teacher in Connecticut who said gambling was suddenly everywhere. I thought I could use my knowledge of sports to make money. Before long, he'd lost more than $100,000 on FanDuel.
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Danny Funt
Another person, also in Connecticut, coincidentally, was telling me that he got all this VIP treatment. I devoted a whole chapter of that to my book, because the things they'll do to keep their biggest losers happy is incredibly extraordinary and a little, a little risky, to put it mildly. And he was telling me he lost six figures betting on sports, and he was hooked on the betting, but also on that VIP treatment. It made it so much harder to walk away because you don't want to give up all these freebies and white clothes service. And I said, so what were you doing for a living when you lost all that money? Because these companies insist they're vetting customers losing at that level to make sure they can afford it. And he said, I was a server at the Cheesecake Factory making 65 grand a year and obviously FanDuel, who was giving him all those VIP perks, did not check to make sure he could afford to lose that much money. And they basically told me that, yeah,
Host
it sounds like questions about the vetting process there. Danny, we've only scratched the surface with you. I hope you can come back.
Danny Funt
I'd love to.
Host
We'd love to continue this conversation. It's certainly a big, big part of our world now. Danny Funt, he's the author of the new book Everybody Loses the Tumultuous Rise of American Sports Gambling. Yeah, we've been talking about it in the newsroom. In a big
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Date: April 8, 2026
Hosts: Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec
Guest: Danny Funt, Sports Journalist and Author ("Everybody Loses: The Tumultuous Rise of American Sports Gambling")
This episode dives deep into the rapid rise and cultural integration of legalized sports gambling in the United States, exploring how major sports leagues shifted from resisting to fully embracing betting, the resulting impacts on financial stability, concerns about addiction and regulation, and the personal stories of individuals affected by gambling’s newfound accessibility. Guest Danny Funt, journalist and author, shares research and insights from his recent book, supplementing data with personal narratives and industry insider perspectives.
Timestamps: 01:43–05:29
Timestamps: 01:43–06:29
Timestamps: 07:41–09:18
Timestamps: 06:29–07:41
Timestamps: 09:18–10:47
"Gambling was suddenly everywhere. I thought I could use my knowledge of sports to make money. Before long, he’d lost more than $100,000 on FanDuel."
— Danny Funt (09:45, regarding a 5th-grade teacher’s experience)
"Sticky is how we think of it, that it’s especially sticky."
— Gambling executive, quoted by Danny Funt (08:57)
"If you’re lucky enough to be an executive at one of these companies, you can make good money, but you don’t feel good about it, that’s for sure."
— Former sportsbook executive, quoted by Danny Funt (08:16)
The episode concludes with host Carol Massar inviting Danny Funt for further discussion, signaling the depth and ongoing nature of this issue.
This episode is an incisive, often sobering look at the cultural, financial, and personal consequences of America’s grand experiment with unchecked sports gambling, blending data, business analysis, and compelling human stories.