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Tim Stanovec
Well, let's bring in Jeff Green. He's Bloomberg News management and diversity reporter. He joins us from Detroit. Hey, Jeff, good to have you on. It's always good to talk to you. You know, Carol and I've been doing this together for over five years. When we used to have you on the program, the conversations were a lot different. It was about, okay, these are the companies. These are, these are the, this is the makeup of the, of, of the workforce of a certain company. These are the goals that a company has put out there. You guys were the ones that were crunching the numbers and seeing if the companies were actually meeting those standards. Your beat in recent years has really shifted with the way that I think a lot of corporate America and politics have shifted. Before we get to the individual stories that we want to talk to you about, can you just talk a little bit about even though your title is the same, the way that you cover management and diversity in this environment has changed completely.
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Yeah, I mean, it's kind of interesting. Each of these situations, you're kind of watching companies be pushed and pulled into directions they're not necessarily comfortable with. It's. It's kind of like this process where they start out, you know, resisting talking about the diversity of their workforces and not wanting to share, and then they're sharing it all in their headlong in one direction, and then now we're where we are. Now they're sort of trying to find their way back toward something, undo some of what they've done. So they're in this weird position that it's really hard as a corporate CEO to figure out where you settle in, where you stay out of trouble, like, what's the least risk position to take? And clearly, they've been wrong repeatedly.
Carol Massar
Yeah, it's really tricky. And I know that we've talked to various leaders, Jeff, and they're saying, you know, we got to think about our employee base and the culture of our company and what employees expect, especially a younger employee. Having said that, let's get into this story that you put out. We've been talking about it in the newsroom. It involves Jeff Vaughn and what happened to him and what he learned. Tell us a little bit about his story.
Jeff Green
Yeah, I mean, initially we thought we should just write a story about our more white men suing. And what does that mean? And part of the problem is it's really difficult to determine that we don't really have a good sense of what kind of court cases are happening and who's making them. Grace is not something automatically gathered. So as we were kind of talking to these guys and looking at it, though, and even looking at the cases, it became clear. It's interesting. They're really no different than anyone who takes on corporate hr. You stand up and you say you think something is wrong, and then you cease to have work and that, you know. So at the same time, we're talking about how there's this push for more white guys to show up. There's also the same reality that the system is maybe broken, by which we hold corporate HR accountable for how they are treating their employees.
Tim Stanovec
So what did you find when you initially wanted to go out and write this story about this demographic that is suing? What did you find?
Jeff Green
Well, I mean, clearly there's more permission, as a white male to say, I feel like I was discriminated against than there was, you know, in 2020. And for a large segment or, you know, significant segment of the population, it's still kind of an insulting proposition. But there's also been a Lot of sort of, I don't know, soul searching on this topic. The Supreme Court ruled unanimously. Basically there's no such thing as reverse discrimination. And, and people need to stop thinking that way. And I mean, not just a unanimous decision, but written by the minority of the, of the court. So it's, it's like been the shift toward trying to think about these in a different way. We're talking about belonging instead of diversity. We're doing all these sort of shifts in, in approach to try to get to something that is somehow less controversial and moves us forward. And I don't think we've come even close to figuring out what that looks like yet. But clearly there's chaos and struggle as we try to do that.
Carol Massar
I love though this stat. You know, this is a great story for like debate and just conversation. You say, so here's a white man who sued for discrimination. But as you remind us in the story, men still, white men are discriminated against, or I guess some of the claims that white men are discriminated against are confounding. Men still make up 90% of chief executive officers of S&P 500 companies, largely white. I would kind of add, I think based on research, as well as about 3/4 of all C suite employees. And the proportion of black men or women who have held the top job is extremely small, currently hovering at about 1%. But to be fair, and I think we try to figure out what's going on in society, Jeff, that there is a younger or white male population that feels like they have been left behind. I know people who feel that way, who had opportunities and so on and so forth, but things just didn't work out and they feel like, wait a minute, you know, society was supposed to promise me certain things if I did this and it didn't happen. So is there something to this? That there are some white men with a rise of diversity issues that maybe we're left out? I'm not, I'm not quite sure how to deal with this.
Jeff Green
Well, the challenge is that what we see when we look at the S&P 500 CEOs and we look at the C Suite, we're seeing the past. Those are the men who got ahead when things were different.
Carol Massar
Yeah.
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Where people like Jeff Vaughn come from is in the messier spot where things are actually changing and shifting more than you can see. The demographic of the whole country is changing where you can't really see it because you see those powerful white faces. And, and so it's hard when you see those powerful white faces to really recognize that there's something else happening at people who are closer to where the churn is. It still doesn't say that like if you're a black woman, you know, you're not in a worse situation. There's no, no, no, I'm not trying to say that. I'm just saying there is something happening. As you said, you know, the stay at home sons, the not the neets, the not employed educated or in tr men who are having a different lived experience, but you can't see them. What you see is what, 10, 15, 20 years of power for white men allowed to happen. And so that's what makes it hard for people.
Carol Massar
It's fascinating. You do also say that President Trump's deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller, co founder of America First Legal, it's a conservative not for profit, is representing Vaughn and other white men in cases against companies including Meta, IBM and Shell. So a lot more on this story, head to the Bloomberg bloomberg.com Jeff Green, thank you so much. Bloomberg News management and diversity reporter. Glad we could get to this story.
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Date: February 19, 2026
Hosts: Carol Massar & Tim Stenovec
Guest: Jeff Green (Bloomberg News Management & Diversity Reporter)
In this episode, Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec are joined by Bloomberg News reporter Jeff Green to discuss the evolving landscape of workplace discrimination lawsuits—specifically, the emerging trend of white men suing for discrimination in corporate America. The conversation explores recent changes in diversity initiatives, legal realities, and the complex cultural dynamics at play as companies, employees, and society reckon with notions of fairness, opportunity, and power.
"It's kind of like this process where they start out resisting talking about the diversity of their workforces and not wanting to share, and then they're sharing it, all in their headlong in one direction, and then now we're where we are. Now they're sort of trying to find their way back toward something..."
— Jeff Green (02:25)
"You stand up and you say you think something is wrong, and then you cease to have work..."
— Jeff Green (03:36)
"Clearly there's more permission, as a white male, to say, 'I feel like I was discriminated against' than there was in 2020."
— Jeff Green (04:37)
"What we see when we look at the S&P 500 CEOs and we look at the C Suite, we're seeing the past... people like Jeff Vaughn come from... the messier spot where things are actually changing and shifting more than you can see."
— Jeff Green (06:58)
On the shifting experience of white men at work:
"There is a younger or white male population that feels like they have been left behind... society was supposed to promise me certain things if I did this and it didn't happen."
— Carol Massar (05:39)
On the broader meaning of demographic trends:
"It's hard when you see those powerful white faces to really recognize that there's something else happening at people who are closer to where the churn is."
— Jeff Green (07:09)
| Time | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:31 | Start of Main Discussion—Jeff Green joins, reflects on changing diversity reporting | | 02:25 | Jeff describes companies' confused approach to diversity | | 03:36 | Introduction of Jeff Vaughn's story and whistleblower risks | | 04:37 | Discussion of increasing discrimination suits by white men and legal context | | 05:39 | Carol raises statistics on leadership demographics and questions real-world white male loss| | 06:58 | Jeff distinguishes between visible leadership and broader demographic shifts | | 08:06 | Mention of conservative legal activism and ongoing cases |
The episode takes a measured, factual, and empathetic look at workplace dynamics. The speakers maintain a thoughtful, questioning tone—open to nuance and mindful of the complexity of identity, opportunity, and fairness in corporate America. The discussion stresses the importance of context and empathy in evaluating claims of discrimination, regardless of the claimant’s background.
For further details, readers/listeners are encouraged to check the full story on Bloomberg.com.