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Ian King
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Here's how in King Ian King, who's been covering this company and this sector for for many years, put it intel delivered a surprisingly strong revenue forecast for the current period, indicating that a surge in data center spending is helping fuel the chip makers turnaround. The outlook underscores Intel's gains with data center customers, which are clamoring for chips to satisfy demand for AI computing. Sales in that segment soared 59% last quarter, more than double the pace of Intel's overall revenue.
Mandeep Singh
Chief Executive Officer Liputan saying the CPU is taking off in data centers all right, let's get to it. Back with us is of course Mandeep Singh with our Bloomberg Intelligence team. He oversees tech research here, Global tech research for our intelligence team. This looks like a really strong report.
Ian King
It is, and it's led by something we all expected, data centers. You know, that's where you are seeing the demand. We saw that in Google's results yesterday. And look, the CPU side is something that intel has had a monopoly over. The Years they obviously lost the plot, but now they seem to be coming back. The only thing I'm not very sure about is how it translates into sustainable demand because everyone else is also making CPUs. Whether it's Nvidia, whether it's Google, even the likes of AMD's, they're all focused on CPU's. So intel is not a monopoly that it used to be. And that's where the, the sustained like expectations going in the quarter were really low. So they did beat that.
Host/Interviewer
So then why are, why are people buying intels rather than AMD's or Nvidia? Like what if this is, is it a commodity, this part of the business?
Ian King
So if you're just looking for a cpu, intel still has their foundry where they make the most CPUs. And it makes sense for anybody to go to intel if you're looking for systems, which is what Google said. They're selling TPU systems now, right? A TPU system has got an accelerator, it's got cpu, it's got networking, it's got everything. That's what all these companies are doing with their data centers now is they're selling a complete system where CPU is one of the building blocks. Intel is not selling you a system, they're just selling you a chip.
Mandeep Singh
Kind of says to me, not a great business plan, is it? Like, so how do you make sense?
Ian King
Whether or not I think it's too early to compare intel to the likes of Nvidia or what Google told us with their TPU systems, it's still a very early stage opportunity for Intel. On the data center side, again, expectations were really rock bottom. So they came out, they beat that data center number by 700 million. Great. But if I look at the sustainability of what Google plans to do or what Nvidia plans to do, intel is not in that category yet. And that's where you need for them to execute much better on the data center side in terms of having a gpu, having more on the networking side, having a systems play, which is what we are hearing from AMD by the way. That's what AMD is after. That's what Broadcom is after. So I'm not ready to put intel in that basket of companies that have systems opportunities.
Mandeep Singh
But they need to get there.
Ian King
I think it's a big challenge. I mean you have to remember intel underperformed for a period of 5, 6 years where they just had things going down. So for them to come back, it's going to take a while. I mean the foundry side is where they could get help from the US government stake and they could land more customers in terms of foundry usage. But in terms of, again, comparing them to someone like Nvidia, we are far off from that.
Host/Interviewer
Should we compare them to Nvidia?
Ian King
I mean, Nvidia is making their own CPUs. And Nvidia will tell you they already generate up to $20 billion by selling CPUs as part of their system. So intel has. Nvidia has already surpassed intel in terms of the CPU side of that equation.
Mandeep Singh
So what to Tim's question or Tim's point, Mandeep, what is again the role of intel in the future in the world of semiconductors? There's still value there, there's still a good business there.
Ian King
Yeah. So think of it as traditional data centers versus AI data centers. For all the traditional data centers, intel is great because they have those servers that companies were using that they need to refresh. And now intel has the ability to give them the latest servers that, by the way, you need latest CPU servers to run these agentic workloads. So when you deploy AI, so far it was just training for inferencing. You need CPUs, and that's where if an enterprise is looking to refresh their old servers, they'll go for Intel. They won't buy Nvidia systems because you don't need to do that for your traditional data centers. You buy Nvidia systems for your AI data centers, which need a lot more power, which have different specs altogether.
Mandeep Singh
So who's their biggest competitor then in that particular universe?
Ian King
Amd.
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Amd?
Ian King
Yeah. Okay, but AMD just talked about how they are focused on that systems opportunity too. So everyone realizes the larger opportunity is AI data centers. It's not your traditional data centers. So that's where the sustainability of this growth, I mean, we are coming off a very low base.
Mandeep Singh
Right.
Ian King
So yeah, they grew, you know, whatever, 60%. That's great. But can you sustain 80% type growth that Nvidia has shown they can over a period of time? And that's the real question here.
Mandeep Singh
So this business that seems to be kind of unique to intel, for those who are kind of doing upgrades right. On their data centers for inferencing? I mean, at some point does that go away and people are more focused on the bigger data centers or no
Ian King
companies are going to need it, you need more compute. The question is, how much is Nvidia going to sell in terms of CPUs versus how much opportunity is left for intel as a standalone CPU? Provider because remember Nvidia is bundling everything. Google GPUs are bundling everything and saying CPUs are just one component of agentic workloads. So why would enterprises keep buying from intel where they have to get other components from other providers?
Host/Interviewer
The stock is, is, is up. I mean this was the best before the, sorry, the third best performing stock in the S&P 500 in the first half of the year. But this month it's just gotten crushed. And part of that has had to do with just how, how much it's run high. I mean this was a stock that was on June 22nd at $141 per share. Now it's at about $100 a share as of the close. If you take into account the move higher right now it's at about $111 per share. What was the weakness this month that, that had investors thinking that okay, the bar is actually pretty low for this report expectations.
Ian King
I mean overall semis as a complex I think corrected people took a lot of profits. We even saw the memory names go down. So I don't think there was anything unique to intel over there. But with that being said, things have come back on the semi side, you know very quickly. We had, it feels like we had somewhat of a correction and then things rebounded fairly quickly and the Google report with them raising capex. I'm expecting every hyperscaler will raise capex. Well guess what, all the semiconductor names will catch a bit because of the CapEx increase.
Host/Interviewer
Okay, you mentioned Alphabet and we're supposed to be talking about intel right now but you mentioned Alphabet so we'll go there. Alphabet just got crushed today. Why?
Ian King
Because they're raising their capex.
Host/Interviewer
But raising capex is good.
Ian King
It's good for the semiconductor companies, not for someone like Alphabet. Right.
Host/Interviewer
In the past it's sometimes been good for a company like Alphabet because it indicates demand and you know when they spend that money they will to build infrastructure. That infrastructure will be used and generate
Ian King
revenue and they are showing that in their cloud segment. We talked about how Fast it's growing 82% but market will always get nervous when you are talking these big numbers. I mean we are talking about trillion dollars in capex by these five big hyperscalers next year. That's the 2027 consensus number, can we say?
Mandeep Singh
Because I think people think about the spend on AI and the build kind of akin to building out, you know, energy markets. Right. It's, it's expensive to do this stuff and you have to think about the longer term trends. But have the tech sector been burned enough like the oil patch? Yeah, I mean, semiconductors certainly have seen
Ian King
the booms and busts they have. And I mean, you drew the comparison to the energy markets and the oil market. Those are regulated companies. Imagine after all this spend.
Mandeep Singh
Yeah.
Ian King
If these companies became regulated. And guess what? You can't really maximize your profits anymore. That would be very interesting. You know, so there's always that risk with these large models. The government may decide these two companies are too powerful in terms of the models they have developed. They need to, you know, limit their hold. And that's a big risk when it comes to this capex.
Mandeep Singh
We already have a government that's looking at the power usage and thinking about what their responsibility is. Right. Some of the tech companies in terms of data centers.
Host/Interviewer
I want to bring in Ed Ludlow, the host of Bloomberg Tech. He's standing by in San Francisco. And you spoke to Dave Zisner, the Intel cfo. You also spoke to Lip Bhutan, the CEO of intel, along with Ian King and some reporting on the terminal. What did you learn from them in their commentary? That that sort of adds to what we heard in terms of numbers from this quarter.
Ed Ludlow
Yeah, I mean, this is a CPU story. Right. There's just very high DataCenter demand for CPU. And that is the game that Intel's in. It's the part of the AI story that they have been able to get and hold on to. And you know, right now intel is in a position where it's doing everything it can to, to improve its production. You know, they are in a, in a place where demand for their CPUs in the data center server context is outpacing their improving supply. So they're doing a better job, but they're still leaving a bit of money on the table because they just cannot meet 100% of the orders that are being placed. That is, as Lit Boo put it, a good problem to have. But right now, if you look at the aftermarket trade, completely in line, what Mandeep's been outlining as well, it is the capital expenditure story once again, that's kind of moving the needle here because
Mandeep Singh
people have to buy and they have to buy from intel, is that it?
Ian King
But intel has the foundry capacity to produce that. So if they're complaining about supply. Yeah, to me that's surprising. You've got all the fabs. You're not going to TSMC to make those CPUs. Right. So I'm a little surprised there.
Mandeep Singh
What would be the question then? That you would be asking Lippo, like,
Ian King
why is there vapor shortages for your own CPUs? Like you have the foundries that are based here in the us why can't you ramp them up faster to meet the demand that you see?
Ed Ludlow
What do it.
Host/Interviewer
Just ramp it up.
Ed Ludlow
Come on.
Mandeep Singh
And Ludlow though, you know, as we continue to go through these numbers, what else is jumping out for you?
Ed Ludlow
Yeah, well, just on Mandeep's point, I think, you know, a quarter ago when I spoke to Lip on the phone, he was very honest that they had not been doing a good job, like they were not very good at building their own products. And that is a problem. And I think what he's saying now is that's getting better, they are improving their own supply, but they're not yet that they know it's a process. I think the other thing as well, you know, with intel, you know, the foundry business, we still don't have anything concrete on which technology companies around the world are customers of intel for Foundry and their latest processes. But if you think about the capex guide to what Dave's into, the CFO told me is that capex this year will now be higher, about $20 billion. The previous guide was about 18 and it would also represent year on year capex growth. But he also absolutely underscored that Lip Bhutan is a very cautious guy. He does not deploy capital and improve or increase capex unless he's sure he's going to get a return on it. And so that's what they're trying to argue for now, that they, they see demand enough where they're willing to spend on the tooling side specifically, not the space side to, to increase that capacity because they think they have the customer, customer demand.
Host/Interviewer
But, but Mandeep, you know, as, as Ian King has reminded us over and over again, this stuff can be cyclical. And intel has learned the hard way that the investments don't always pay off. Do they have a, do they have to tell investors a different story? That this, this time we know that where we're spending the money is the right place to spend the money?
Ian King
I mean right now I think.
Host/Interviewer
Or is everybody just throwing money at
Ian King
everything and it's fine, everyone realizes the demand is huge. And you know, if there's one common thread across all the narratives we hear is that demand far outstrips supply. So why would you not be doubling down at this time, especially for something where you had a monopoly in the past until there is a product related reason. Like I said, you know, if it's that systems aspect where, you know, companies are not going to buy CPUs from you because they want more systems level type of product. Then I understand. But without that, I see no reason why they wouldn't be aggressive on Capex just because there is demand and they have the fabs.
Mandeep Singh
Well, at Ludlow, I mean, Liputin being cautious and careful, might that be, you know, not his downfall? I'm not going to say that. But problematic when, if the demand is there, as we're just talking about with Mandeep, you know, you want to spend to kind of make sure you don't miss out on that.
Ed Ludlow
Yeah. I mean they again are going on the data they have available, which is customer demand. You know, they have this line at intel which so consistent on, which is like when a customer signs up to use our latest chip making process, we don't announce it. We leave it to the customer. Problem for them is none of the customers have announced it. All they'll say is that they signed loads of deals, loads of LTA's, they call them in the first six months of this year. And they were like, okay, so we have the deals. That gives us confidence to invest. I think, you know, I think we'll learn more overnight. Right. All of the sell side notes will come out. Whatever questions get asked in the call give you a sense of the psychology of where the sell sides are. But it is astonishing that the stock's up 12% in after hours, given it was up 172% going into today's close. It's like.
Host/Interviewer
But it got beat up. But it was at what, over 130 a few weeks ago?
Mandeep Singh
It was down 30% or so in the last month.
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Right.
Ed Ludlow
I mean, you know, one week a market does not make, a section of market does not make. But you know, to answer, you know, there was a point in history where intel was the absolute best at this.
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Ed Ludlow
And they had 60% margins. They're not near that. Right, right. There's still like a lot of stuff to fix here. And I don't think they're saying that they're close to that. They're just saying that they're making progress.
Mandeep Singh
Final thoughts as we wrap up from you, Mandy.
Ian King
I mean I would like to see a backlog number. Ed alluded to LTA's, like with Micron, they signed LTA's, but they also gave visibility into pricing and how much that backlog is in terms of those lta. So if intel really has that sort of visibility with their customers, The LTA is, then they should give a backlog number so that street can model that. You know, okay, this is how CPUs will ramp up. To me, really, it's about sustainability of growth here once the numbers get normalized because we are coming off a really low base here.
Mandeep Singh
No, that's a really good point.
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Right?
Mandeep Singh
You got to think about where we're coming from.
Ed Ludlow
Ed, final thought just that, you know, they'll be pushed on giving more detail on customers. Something that did not come up. And I really, you know, I think it's interesting is, you know, we haven't discussed tariff app and the partnership that's in place with Musk. And you know, it's unlikely, but just kind of talk openly about that. But I would say that ASML got asked about it and last night Musk was name checking Micron all over the place so it could come up. And to me that's, you know, Musk is news. And there we go.
Mandeep Singh
No, never makes news. Good stuff, guys. Hey, thank you so much. Of course, our Ed Ludlow out there in San Francisco. He is host of Bloomberg Tech. And our Mandeep Singh right here in our studio. He is Bloomberg Intelligence global head of technology research. You guys, thank you.
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Date: July 23, 2026
Hosts: Paul Sweeney, Scarlet Fu
Guests/Contributors: Ian King (Bloomberg Tech Analyst), Mandeep Singh (Global Head of Technology Research, Bloomberg Intelligence), Ed Ludlow (Host, Bloomberg Tech)
In this breaking news episode, Bloomberg Intelligence provides instant analysis of Intel’s unexpectedly positive revenue report, focusing on the company's resurgence in the data center CPU market. The discussion, led by prominent Bloomberg analysts, delves into the sustainability of Intel's recent gains, its competitive positioning among major players like Nvidia and AMD, and the broader dynamics of semiconductor demand driven by AI and data center investments.
This episode provided a thorough, nuanced look into Intel's momentary resurgence, placing the company's earnings beat within the broader context of the semiconductor industry’s transformation. The analysts praised Intel’s recent performance in data center CPUs, cautioned against complacency, and identified transparency and sustained innovation as essential for future success. All agreed: Intel’s fate now hinges on its ability to translate demand into lasting, system-level value in an increasingly AI- and systems-focused market.