Paul Sweeney (3:26)

Yeah, I guess investors don't like it to hear when the CEO is saying there isn't a very precise plan for how each product will be cultivated. Sounds too generic for their liking. We should mention as well, Met is now looking to sell up to $25 billion in investment grade bonds to kind of fund out all those spending plans they have. Speaking of spending plans, Alphabet is increasing its spending plans by I think about another $10 billion.

Mandeep Singh (3:52)

Yeah, and look, when you compare the magnitude of increases from Microsoft which raised almost, you know, by 35, $40 billion at CapEx, Meta raised it by over almost 20 billion. And that was mostly attributed to memory price increases. So the question is why was Alphabet increase not of the magnitude yes, they raised, but it was a very slight increase. And that kind of goes to show that Alphabet, out of all the hyperscalers, has the best capex efficiency. They are able to use their compute across their apps, whether it's search, YouTube. Also, the cloud business is growing at the fastest rate compared to other Hyperscalers. So that CapEx efficiency is, is what's driving a lot of the margin upside and it's reflected, you know, in their numbers and guidance. So even though it was a beat and race from everyone, Alphabet's beat and raised was the most impressive and hence the stock reaction.

Paul Sweeney (4:53)

Mandeep, where do you think we are in this hyper investment phase for AI? Is are we going to do this for another quarter or two or is this going to be a couple, three years?

Mandeep Singh (5:05)

I mean this definitely has the makings of a super cycle. Almost everyone you know on the call yesterday from the management teams talked about how, you know, demand far exceeds supply. And look, the compute usage is showing up in the cloud numbers. When you think about even Amazon $150 billion business growing at 28% and Google $80 billion cloud business growing at 63%. So you are seeing that ROI with these AI investments and there's no reason to curtail that investment when you're seeing this kind of a top line lift. The only thing is, you know, component pricing memory notably is eating up a lot of this capex increase, but that's just again a function of demand being much higher than what these companies can supply in terms of components.

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Paul Sweeney (8:19)

Some of the big earnings matter and Microsoft are big drags on the NASDAQ 100 while you have Alphabet going off basically to the moon right now, because it's seen as the winner and it's seen as the most efficient user of capex, it's been able to turn around investments and returns on that capex. Let's bring in Anuragrana of Bloomberg Intelligence. He is our tech analyst joining us from Chicago. Anurag, walk us through the results for Microsoft. First of all, Alexis mentioned how the cloud business saw good growth, but perhaps not good enough for investors.

Anurag Rana (8:56)

You know, again, it's a question of relative growth compared to their peers. So for Microsoft, growth accelerated 101 percentage points from 38% to 39 in constant currency. But when you look at Google, it went from 48% to 63. So I think it's all, it's a relative game. Even in the case of Amazon Web Services, last quarter they grew at 24%, this quarter, 28.

Sam Fazelli (9:19)

So we are really splitting hairs, but

Anurag Rana (9:21)

I think that's what's really happening at this point.

Paul Sweeney (9:23)

There's no scenario where Microsoft's not a huge winner in AI, is there, Anurag?

Anurag Rana (9:28)

No, no, absolutely you're right about it. But again, it's a matter of One of the things we discussed even yesterday was if you go back in the history of Microsoft, they were the first company to showcase AI revenue and they saw a lot of benefit for that one one and a half years when everybody thought Amazon and Google is behind. Now it's slightly on the other side. They are seeing the benefit of AI which they didn't see, which means relative growth rates for them. But in the case of Microsoft, they have a very successful AI business. Their AI run rate is much higher than anybody at this point. They have copilot adoption very fast pace. Azure is doing well. And the funny thing is azure is now 100 plus billion dollar business. I think we think it's somewhere around 110 billion, growing at 40%. I mean, I think that's very impressive. But again, it's a question of if Google can beat by such a big margin. Well, why couldn't you?

Sam Fazelli (10:22)

Hmm.

Paul Sweeney (10:22)

I'm glad you bring up Copilot, because isn't there some concern that there's only a small percentage of Microsoft Office users who are paying for copilot AI tools? I mean, everyone has access to it, but not everyone wants to pay for it.

Anurag Rana (10:35)

That is the biggest growth opportunity for them. Frankly, if you see they have about 400 plus million users. Out of those 400 million users, we think about 200 of them are power users, people like you and Paul. And then within that cohort, only 20 million of them are paying right now. So the penetration rate is, let's say about 10%. Over time that's going to increase and that's where the ARPU increase is going to be. And see a much rapid growth rate both in terms of the number of users going up and then, you know, taking up dollars along with it.

Paul Sweeney (11:08)

So get them hooked first. Right, Paul?

Paul Sweeney (11:09)

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First time.

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What was your first question to chat?

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Well, Sarah Livesey, one of our producers, showed me. She went in and said, hey, give me a picture of traders looking for direction, you know, like in the market. And it gave her like a great image. So I did the same thing and it wasn't as good an image, but it was a pretty good, good image. So Sarah's much better than that. I am.

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You got to work on your palm skills first thing.

Paul Sweeney (11:42)

I'm so I'm getting there. Anurag, how about Amazon here? Their cloud, that business seems to be big. And again, another one of these companies throwing a lot of money at this business now.

Anurag Rana (11:53)

Amazon web services over $150 billion run rate business grew 28%. We think that rate of growth actually improves in the next few quarters because of the massive backlog. Imagine just a few days ago, they added OpenAI models into their entire ecosystem, which they didn't have access to before. That's going to spur even more enterprise AI adoption. One of the things people don't realize is when it comes to Fortune 2000, who are the biggest spenders of money? Bulk of their data is in Amazon Web Services. That's all the cloud transition that's been happening for the last 15, 20 years. So they are actually at the center of this agentic shift for enterprises going from the legacy way of doing stuff towards agents.

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Paul Sweeney (15:49)

Let's head over to London San Frazelli, Director of Research for Global Industries Senior Pharma Analyst I have no idea where he is. He could be London could be anywhere in the world. That's how this guy rolls. But he covers all the pharma for Bloomberg Intelligence. Sam, I assume you and your team have been kind of busy here. We've got some earnings coming out of the the pharma companies here. Eli Lilly raising its annual sales and profit forecast to high demand for obesity medications. But that's just like perfect for this market. And the stock's up 9% today. What did you hear from Lilly?

Sam Fazelli (16:18)

Yep. So, Paul, I mean the, the interesting thing here is that there's been quite a lot of skepticism. Particularly everybody was so focused on this oral drug, you know, the pill that they've got launched in the US So focused on that and tracking the weekly prescriptions that they forgot. Actually, there's an enormous juggernaut of a business behind it. And what's driven this $2 billion increase from 80 to 82 on the low side of the guidance for 2026 in sales is ex US sales. So that's actually quite good because a lot of people always just keep thinking that everything is all us based and everything's going to be driven by us. But of course, here we've got that increase and that's what's driving it. High quality beat. 9%. 9.1% up this minute.

Paul Sweeney (17:06)

All right, so good news for those who are investors in Eli Lilly. That's a massive move. Nine percent up for, for the company.

Sam Fazelli (17:13)

It had been suffering scarlet because of the issues of people worrying about that

Paul Sweeney (17:18)

P. So maybe a little bit of catch up there as well. Merck also reported results and it beat its sales estimates demand for newer drugs. Remind me, does Merck have a weight loss drug on the market or is it developing any weight loss drug?

Sam Fazelli (17:31)

They are developing. They're developing one, yes. There I think everybody is kind of. They've got one that licensed. Pretty much everybody's got their finger in that pie. I can't say absolutely everybody. Most people have got their finger in the pie trying to get a something on the market. And Roche, AstraZeneca and Time will tell whether they can compete in this. Clearly these guys are sewing up the market between themselves and Novo Nordisk. So Merck's results were a little bit more, I would say, meh. And as share price suggested, 0.6% up, there was a beat. But then of course, much of that was driven by inventory build, which is not something that the market gets too excited by because it's one off. And then of course one of the reasons I think they've been able to guide to A higher EPS is because they're going to have lower charges associated with an M and A deal they've done. And that's not really, you know, that's not a high quality beat. So business steady as she goes.

Paul Sweeney (18:30)

Merck based in Rahway, New Jersey. Station stop. Rahway. There you go. That's how I know. Railway, Station, stop, railway. Like I never get off. That's where Merck is.

Paul Sweeney (18:40)

Jersey is big farmer land.

Paul Sweeney (18:41)

It is Jersey. You could just have an. That's the entire state, practically. So, Sam, for these oral obesity drugs, to what degree do you think that's going to expand the market?

Sam Fazelli (18:55)

Yeah, so I think look at that expectations, folks are looking for one and a half billion dollars from a Lilly's pill this year.

Mandeep Singh (19:02)

Wow.

Sam Fazelli (19:03)

And it's only been on the market for a couple of. A couple of weeks. Two or three weeks. Right. So. And that might be a tough number to get to, especially listening to what the management were saying a little bit about the fact that they need to activate a whole bunch of patients, etc. And there is a question that comes to mind. We know that the Wegovy pill, although it's a bit more of a cumbersome thing, you have to take it half an hour before eating breakfast, etc. It gives you a better weight loss in terms of the average weight loss, say 14% versus 12. Let's say, let's say that's about the delta between them and we. So what are you going to do? Are you going to worry so much about your breakfast? I mean, not, not. Nobody gets up at night, eat straight away. Right. So they can take their job, potentially shower, get ready, etc. So maybe it's a bit more likely that people will continue on that and that Lily will have a tough time gaining momentum with its oral pill, which is an oral pill. Literally an oral pill, you just pop it, nothing to do with fasting or anything. And then of course you go to 2030, you get to 20 odd billion dollars. So look, they have the better obesity injection today in terms of efficacy. Novo has the better pill in terms of efficacy. So it's just going to be. Both of them are going to be fighting for that market share and Novo's kind of corrected quite a lot.

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Paul Sweeney (23:24)

All right, let's get back to some of these earnings here. Caterpillar some really strong numbers here. And when we want to talk all that big machinery stuff we go to Chris Chi Lino. He's at Bloomberg Intelligence, follows all those big engineering companies, construction companies. Chris, talk to us about Caterpillar here and their quarter.

Chris Chilino (23:43)

Yeah, you know, Cat continues to deliver against pretty lofty expectations with another top and bottom line beat this quarter really solid across the board highlighted by better than expected performance in their construction business and sustained momentum in power and energy. But I think really more importantly here their record backlog continues to grow significantly quarter over quarter and management raised their long term 2030 growth targets. They also announced that they're going to invest in some additional large engine capacity expansion. So the long term visibility just continues to improve which we think, you know, should continue to, to drive this upward earnings cycle revision.

Paul Sweeney (24:24)

And this is something that Matt Griffin of Bloomberg News has highlighted. He came on to talk to us about how Caterpillar was another way to play the AI boom. How much of this backlog and the growth that Caterpillar seeing is directly tied to a build out.

Chris Chilino (24:41)

So it's a large portion, right? It's, you know, now power and energy is approaching, you know, roughly half the size of the business. But I think one of the takeaways I took from this quarter was that the backlog was really up across all businesses. And it's kind of at a unique time for Caterpillar in that not only do we have all these secular tailwinds on the power generation side, but now we're starting to see that the cyclical tailwinds start to kick in in terms of construction and mining. So all three businesses really starting to contribute to the overall enterprise.

Paul Sweeney (25:15)

And shares of Caterpillar today are up 8.8%, up 53% this year, up 184% on a trailing twelve month basis.

Paul Sweeney (25:23)

Wow.

Paul Sweeney (25:23)

52 week high. An all time high for the stock. $880 a share. They need a 10 for 1 split badly. I think so. Is this because of the power business, Matt? When I think of company like Caterpillar, I think of a cyclical business. Is this making this business less cyclical?

Chris Chilino (25:45)

It may help mitigate some of the cyclicality at the end of the day. I don't think it changes the underlying fundamentals of the business. This is still ultimately going to be a cyclical business over time but you're certainly seeing that the power gen, power and energy business, that backlog just continues to grow. So we have that additional production visibility which has really helped provide a little bit of a floor, at least during this downturn as construction and mining were quite soft over the past few years. So yeah, short answer, it helps mitigate it, but longer term it's going to be a cyclical business.

Paul Sweeney (26:26)

Okay. I'm still kind of stunned by some of the numbers that Paul just rattled off. Who is Caterpillar's biggest competitor who picks up some of the slack that Caterpillar can't get to.

Chris Chilino (26:36)

Yeah, I mean, as Paul alluded to, I mean the numbers are quite staggering and really if you look at the valuation, it's quite hard to digest as well. But they continue to deliver and exceed expectations. It seems like quarter in and quarter out in terms of competition. If you think about some of the more traditional equipment, particularly in the dirt or mining, it's Komatsu. They are the largest competitor to cat, particularly on some of the equipment businesses. You also have Deere who's trying to, you know, make bigger inroads into construction equipment. They're launching a whole new excavator lineup. And then there's a number of other regional players, the Hitachi Volvos of the world. And then on the power gen side, it's pretty diverse. You know where CAT plays, it still tends to be kind of at the smaller and the distance spectrum, right? So think you know companies like Cummins who also have the standby or backup power capacity.

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